Why the hell did he hit the dummy with the hockey stick like that? If you're gonna club someone with a hockey stick you don't switch to a face-off grip to do it...
Владимир Ленин Not really no. If anything the ice and skates will help you gain momentum. That's the type of logic expected from someone with Lenin as his avatar.
okay, a bat is much more likely to cause a concussion and has more weight. but a hockey stick if you swing it the right way, not like a dumbass like they do in sports science, is more likely to break bones because of the smaller area even though it has less weight, its force is greater in a smaller area
Exactly the small surface area it would hit would do a lot of damage, plus they would be able to generate the same amount of force if they did a real experiment which everyone knows you have to do the same thing with both, so unless he swings the hockey stick like he did the baseball bat or vice versa, it's not an experiment, it's grown men hitting a crash test dummy for fun
The stick is lighter and less rigid but his shot was a slow, jabbing strike. If swung at full length, the velocity is much higher and that velocity would make a huge difference.
This test does not take into account that not all players have the same weight and flex of a stick. If Shea Webber lost his marbles and used his stick like mcscorley, he may actually kill someone. .
David with this logic that means a Giancarlo Stanton would hit the head 470 feet out of the stadium clear off the body....the point of it isn't to get professionals it's for estimates for average sized person
first of all most people wouldn't hit with the stick like that they would cross check the chin or nose to break them. they wouldn't choke up on the stick and slash them in the face
I think the idea behind the way he hits it with the hockey stick is that it is how one is likely to use a hockey stick in game, already gripping it in such a manner (for play) and bringing it up, as opposed to using it 100% as a weapon.
1. he held hockey stick completely backwards and way too wide. All the energy came from the rotation of his torso. 2. They used a composite stick when in every single instance of pro players using a stick as a weapon, used a pine or maple stick or alluminum shafted stick. 3. They are completely ignoring the impact of the head on the ice, which is what knocked Donald Brashear out, not the impact of the stick. 4. They should have brought Mcsorely to deliver the hit.
Interesting test, but it asks the wrong question. First, in the Brashear/McSorley incident, the 3rd degree concussion was not caused directly by the slash to Brashear's head but by the fact that he hit his head on the ice when he fell down. Second, how many times has a batter gone after a pitcher with a bat compared to how many times a hockey player hits another in the face or head with their stick (1:1,000,000 on a bad day for baseball, maybe?)? Third, a hockey stick may not crack somebody's skull open (although the ice certainly will; see above), but it will certainly remove more than a few teeth and will cut up your face so even your kids won't recognize you. And fourth, yeah, who holds a hockey stick like that?
That was a low flex and if your going to cheap shot in the face with a hockey stick you hold it closer to the end. Plus odds are you would use a wood stick if you want to do damage.
couldve done with testing on a proper human skull analogue (ie a skull encased in ballistics gel). the wider baseball bat, i would guess, will disperse its impact over a wider area, whereas the thinner edge of a hockey stick will not disperse energy so much, so the impact will carry a higher amount of pressure to the smaller area it hits. cant tell if there would be a difference without trying it, but it got me thinking
I play hockey, and it's basically common sense. You know the bat packs more force cause the stick is lighter and flexs and a baseball bat does/is neither one.
Yeah, the technique is one issue. If you wanted to hurt someone, you'd have your hands gripped closer together, so the end of the stick achieved a greater speed. This is more like a crosscheck but with the blade. I also think that if you used a classic wooden stick (as used in many of the classic incidents), you'd obviously see less flex and greater injury. Nevertheless, I think it's fairly obvious that a baseball bat will do more damage in almost any comparisson
Baseball bats are so much heavier than hockey sticks... A hockey sticks manufacturers goal is to try to get as light possible while still being durable. Everyone saw this one coming...
Hockey sticks are thin except for goalies which are also not meant to be hit in the heat with plus all the flex we use for our slapshots bounces off the head
I suppose the big impact got brashear when his head hit the ice, the slash with the stick kind of took him out and the ice finished him. Most of the times when you fall to the ice your head lands last with that typical snapping motion.
You know, I agree that the baseball bat will be enough to kill you, but they really should have allowed 2 trials with a pro hockey player and an MLB player. That would have really brought some accurate results instead of however you held that stick completely wrong. I also think even though a stick cant "Often" kill you, you will experience horrible pain in the face, break your nose, loose an eye, or cut some part of your head wide open. I think the stick would be more damaging because the impact is focused more on one point of the face with more impact time than the baseball bat. The baseball bat is spread out when your face rounds to the whole bat, and whenever something is spread, energy is absorbed.
Yeah I agree about the stick. He held it so that the results were frightfully skewed. They're going to swing that stick like a baseball bat, not like a martial arts weapon!
i acctually got his by a full force slap shot, with the stick, after the follow through, and i was still standing, and wasn't concussed or anything. just got a cut above my eye that needed a few stiches.
I wonder what flex that hockey stick was, maybe they should have tried with something round 120 flex (as something that high is normally only seen in pro-stock equipment). And of cource what everyone else said about the way he swung the stick.
should've mythbustered it. Remove variables: have them either both made from wood or the same composite material. Have the hockey stick slash from a range of flexes. Use the same form.
they should do more sport science segments on hockey. None of the ones I've seen did the sport justice. why don't they analyse things like slap shots vs wrist shots, skating power, stability/balance, shots from the Slot, Deflection goals/hand eye coordination...) There's tons of impressive interesting stuff to analyse.
trust me, ive been hit in the head with both of those things, the hockey stick doesnt seem like it would hurt but it hurts way worse than a baseball bat. my friend actually got high sticked in the eye in p.e. and had to get stitches.
I think if they got a 100 flex stick (which is probably fairly common for professionals) and swung it a different way it would have been over 150HIC probably easily. No way it would ever get close to the bat because of the difference in mass alone.
@1261adam thats what i was thinking, no one would use a hockey stick as a weapon like that, i still think a baseball bat would win, but he would has two- handed it...
They really should hold the back hand grip on the hockey stick. Like the position of the bat. Then the stick would go a lot faster. And they should use a stick with less flex. Because most cheap shots happen in High School+ levels. Not a flex like a 10 year old would have
As multiple people have commented,he didn't hold the stick right,he's not a pro athlete,that's not a real hockey stick.yes a baseball bat would hurt a lot,but a hockey stick would also hurt a lot as well.They simply made this to make tv content and make money.
the bat wasn't swung correctly either. He had very little rotation of the hips, which is where most of swing's power comes from. He only used his arms.
The stick had a flex of, like, 70. I think the average is about 85 or 90? And, as everyone has said, he held the stick wrong, but the bat right. This test was done so horribly
@bwarren1515 even though it would have had a greater force, the baseball bat would still win, because hockey stick, wooden or carbon composite, are designed to bend, and a baseball bat is solid, and hockey sticks tend to be hollow, most anyways.
i wonder if they'd let me hit them with the hockey stick. seeing as how it does so little damage. haha. how do they think guys have gotten broken limbs from a slash?
Well if he had used the same grip on the baseball bat as he did the hockey stick there would have been a lot less force created. But I guess he is holding them the same way a player in each sport would hold them. Still if he held the hockey stick the same way as he did the baseball bat it would have had much greater force.
Bat transfered more energy. Bat does WAY more damage than a Hockey Stick, I'm no scientist and even I know that. Bat can cause concussion, skull fracture, etc.
I mean, I don't doubt that the bat would do more damage because it's got more mass and less flex. But still, judging from what has been seen in NHL games in the past, that stick has to be capable of a LOT more than what the dweeb did with it.
It wasnt fair fause the stick was hollow and the bat was solid wood. The stick flexed because it was composite. And composite means it can flex without breaking using a certain material. Such as a brick. It isnt composite and if you put pressure it would break. A wooden baseball bat however, doesnt flex because it is solid and wont bend on impact. There are such things as a wooden hockey stick and a composite baseball bat. If they went against the same material and structure, it would have been fair
should've used the stick like it was a long bat, he didnt hold it the right. stick would've been travelling faster if he had both hands on the handle..
Because he said he was going to do it the "worst somebody could possibly do" Don't know why they didn't do it in a hammer motion for either though. Anyways, this one was pretty bad, it's obvious a bat would do more for a hundred reasons.
This test isn’t very accurate. 1 you don’t swing a hockey stick like that 2 when he charged the mound he swung the bag with one hand if you take a swing like your trying to hit a home run your gonna get more force then you would with one hand
Actually, he was referring to how he held the stick... it was not like any hockey player holds a stick. Plus the hockey stick flex looked like it sucked, too little flex.
I play hockey and have to admit the bat is worse but not 1850 HIC worse. Rarely does a hockey player get hit with stick and almost never a baseball player gets hit by a bat, but hockey players wear helmets because of many things such as a stick. Baseball players don't wear helmets because a bat rarely hits them, only the person at bat wears one because it stops some impact of the ball if it hits them.
The way he held the stick was stupid. That's high sticking. You have to do a slash. High sticking is just poking them with the stick. Slashing is actually swinging like a baseball bat. The blade strikes the face, not the heel!
he didnt swing the stick properly, and he is using a composite stick, a wooden hokcey stick would deliver much more force, maybe not as much as the baseball bat, but anyone worth their salt could of broken that hockey stick upside that dummys head by using optimum force
Why the hell did he hit the dummy with the hockey stick like that? If you're gonna club someone with a hockey stick you don't switch to a face-off grip to do it...
He holds the stick wrong so he can't get the right leverage and hit correctly thus making less force
Yeah he's essentially hitting with a 20cm stick.
Владимир Ленин Not really no. If anything the ice and skates will help you gain momentum. That's the type of logic expected from someone with Lenin as his avatar.
+Владимир Ленин you haven't played much hockey have you. You can easily get enough momentum to get enough force
+Владимир Ленин no it really isn't hard with ice skates on. Not in the slightest. If you played and were good you'd know that
Владимир Ленин Then perhaps you were really bad at it. I did Karate, hockey and football in my youth.
okay, a bat is much more likely to cause a concussion and has more weight. but a hockey stick if you swing it the right way, not like a dumbass like they do in sports science, is more likely to break bones because of the smaller area even though it has less weight, its force is greater in a smaller area
Exactly the small surface area it would hit would do a lot of damage, plus they would be able to generate the same amount of force if they did a real experiment which everyone knows you have to do the same thing with both, so unless he swings the hockey stick like he did the baseball bat or vice versa, it's not an experiment, it's grown men hitting a crash test dummy for fun
i almost killd myself watching this guy swing the stick
put your both your hands at one end of the hockey stick
He swung the hockey stick like a little prepubescent 12 year old but it'll still hurt a lot
That's not how you hold a hockey stick, plus that flex is not even 60...
I love how they use a cheap hockey stick!
The stick is lighter and less rigid but his shot was a slow, jabbing strike. If swung at full length, the velocity is much higher and that velocity would make a huge difference.
who the hell holds a hockey stick like that in the first place
This test does not take into account that not all players have the same weight and flex of a stick. If Shea Webber lost his marbles and used his stick like mcscorley, he may actually kill someone. .
And that it's stupid to hold the stick that far down so you don't get any leverage. It's almost the same as if he hit with his hand.
David with this logic that means a Giancarlo Stanton would hit the head 470 feet out of the stadium clear off the body....the point of it isn't to get professionals it's for estimates for average sized person
first of all most people wouldn't hit with the stick like that they would cross check the chin or nose to break them. they wouldn't choke up on the stick and slash them in the face
Unless Chris Simon is playing
I agree a bat is more deadly, but 1, hold the stick properly, 2 get a stick that has a professional flex, 3 swing the stick properly.
I think the idea behind the way he hits it with the hockey stick is that it is how one is likely to use a hockey stick in game, already gripping it in such a manner (for play) and bringing it up, as opposed to using it 100% as a weapon.
"...these unthinkable acts"
LMAO
These are definitely not unthinkable.
1. he held hockey stick completely backwards and way too wide. All the energy came from the rotation of his torso.
2. They used a composite stick when in every single instance of pro players using a stick as a weapon, used a pine or maple stick or alluminum shafted stick.
3. They are completely ignoring the impact of the head on the ice, which is what knocked Donald Brashear out, not the impact of the stick.
4. They should have brought Mcsorely to deliver the hit.
Interesting test, but it asks the wrong question. First, in the Brashear/McSorley incident, the 3rd degree concussion was not caused directly by the slash to Brashear's head but by the fact that he hit his head on the ice when he fell down. Second, how many times has a batter gone after a pitcher with a bat compared to how many times a hockey player hits another in the face or head with their stick (1:1,000,000 on a bad day for baseball, maybe?)? Third, a hockey stick may not crack somebody's skull open (although the ice certainly will; see above), but it will certainly remove more than a few teeth and will cut up your face so even your kids won't recognize you. And fourth, yeah, who holds a hockey stick like that?
That was a low flex and if your going to cheap shot in the face with a hockey stick you hold it closer to the end. Plus odds are you would use a wood stick if you want to do damage.
what flex did they use on the stick it shoudnt really flex that much
Yeah it should
joseph thomsen probably 50-60 flex.
wexdja no it shouldnt if its 70+ flex.
couldve done with testing on a proper human skull analogue (ie a skull encased in ballistics gel). the wider baseball bat, i would guess, will disperse its impact over a wider area, whereas the thinner edge of a hockey stick will not disperse energy so much, so the impact will carry a higher amount of pressure to the smaller area it hits. cant tell if there would be a difference without trying it, but it got me thinking
Man, this is the episode that would prove no one on the crew plays hockey. Who holds a stick like that?
I play hockey, and it's basically common sense. You know the bat packs more force cause the stick is lighter and flexs and a baseball bat does/is neither one.
Use the REpower and hit the dumby properly. Those sticks are made of tough shit and if he hit right it could be more lethal than a bat.
Yeah, the technique is one issue. If you wanted to hurt someone, you'd have your hands gripped closer together, so the end of the stick achieved a greater speed. This is more like a crosscheck but with the blade.
I also think that if you used a classic wooden stick (as used in many of the classic incidents), you'd obviously see less flex and greater injury.
Nevertheless, I think it's fairly obvious that a baseball bat will do more damage in almost any comparisson
Baseball bats are so much heavier than hockey sticks... A hockey sticks manufacturers goal is to try to get as light possible while still being durable. Everyone saw this one coming...
Hockey sticks are thin except for goalies which are also not meant to be hit in the heat with plus all the flex we use for our slapshots bounces off the head
I suppose the big impact got brashear when his head hit the ice, the slash with the stick kind of took him out and the ice finished him.
Most of the times when you fall to the ice your head lands last with that typical snapping motion.
You know, I agree that the baseball bat will be enough to kill you, but they really should have allowed 2 trials with a pro hockey player and an MLB player. That would have really brought some accurate results instead of however you held that stick completely wrong. I also think even though a stick cant "Often" kill you, you will experience horrible pain in the face, break your nose, loose an eye, or cut some part of your head wide open. I think the stick would be more damaging because the impact is focused more on one point of the face with more impact time than the baseball bat. The baseball bat is spread out when your face rounds to the whole bat, and whenever something is spread, energy is absorbed.
Yeah I agree about the stick. He held it so that the results were frightfully skewed. They're going to swing that stick like a baseball bat, not like a martial arts weapon!
One thing they didnt mention was that the hockey stick would mist likely create a huge cut
i acctually got his by a full force slap shot, with the stick, after the follow through, and i was still standing, and wasn't concussed or anything. just got a cut above my eye that needed a few stiches.
...why did he backhand him with the stick? That grip didn't look anywhere close to right, was it?
I wonder what flex that hockey stick was, maybe they should have tried with something round 120 flex (as something that high is normally only seen in pro-stock equipment). And of cource what everyone else said about the way he swung the stick.
should've mythbustered it. Remove variables: have them either both made from wood or the same composite material. Have the hockey stick slash from a range of flexes. Use the same form.
they should do more sport science segments on hockey. None of the ones I've seen did the sport justice. why don't they analyse things like slap shots vs wrist shots, skating power, stability/balance, shots from the Slot, Deflection goals/hand eye coordination...) There's tons of impressive interesting stuff to analyse.
not to mention the stick is held by a guy weighing 210 and moving 28-30mph.
He holds it like that to simulate how a hockey player holds his stick. if he held his hands together it would be like him swinging a baseball bat
@QuakersHockey12 not only tht but Brashear was concussed from the hit, so how the hell did they work it out if a true case did have concussion?
trust me, ive been hit in the head with both of those things, the hockey stick doesnt seem like it would hurt but it hurts way worse than a baseball bat. my friend actually got high sticked in the eye in p.e. and had to get stitches.
I think if they got a 100 flex stick (which is probably fairly common for professionals) and swung it a different way it would have been over 150HIC probably easily. No way it would ever get close to the bat because of the difference in mass alone.
it still hurts like hell
Would land to see a land hockey stick, lot closer to a baseball bat but flatter and with a hard small surface area
@1261adam thats what i was thinking, no one would use a hockey stick as a weapon like that, i still think a baseball bat would win, but he would has two- handed it...
"If someone was totally made of evil" YAY CHRIS SIMON!
His face on the slow motion lmao
They really should hold the back hand grip on the hockey stick. Like the position of the bat. Then the stick would go a lot faster. And they should use a stick with less flex. Because most cheap shots happen in High School+ levels. Not a flex like a 10 year old would have
As multiple people have commented,he didn't hold the stick right,he's not a pro athlete,that's not a real hockey stick.yes a baseball bat would hurt a lot,but a hockey stick would also hurt a lot as well.They simply made this to make tv content and make money.
Hockey is the best sport ever.
that's your opinion i think differently but we are two different people
nice comeback since you know i'm right haha
When did Bill Engvall get so good at math?
"Made of evil."
If that was the case, you'd be holding the stick with the 'blade' towards the head.
the bat wasn't swung correctly either. He had very little rotation of the hips, which is where most of swing's power comes from. He only used his arms.
Dino Ciccarelli got imprisoned for 1 day for assaulting rookie defenceman Luke Richardson in 1988. Wonder why that's not mentioned?
The stick had a flex of, like, 70. I think the average is about 85 or 90? And, as everyone has said, he held the stick wrong, but the bat right. This test was done so horribly
they should have swung with 1 hand, because the picture showed him handling it with one hand, and who swings a hockey stick like that?
they shoulda hired brashear to do the hockey stick swing
@bwarren1515
even though it would have had a greater force, the baseball bat would still win, because hockey stick, wooden or carbon composite, are designed to bend, and a baseball bat is solid, and hockey sticks tend to be hollow, most anyways.
i wonder if they'd let me hit them with the hockey stick. seeing as how it does so little damage. haha. how do they think guys have gotten broken limbs from a slash?
Does this really deserve an experiment? Does it surprise anyone?
Well if he had used the same grip on the baseball bat as he did the hockey stick there would have been a lot less force created. But I guess he is holding them the same way a player in each sport would hold them. Still if he held the hockey stick the same way as he did the baseball bat it would have had much greater force.
the calculations are wrong because some of the energy is absorbed when the head hits the thing behind it at 3:07
why the heck was he holding the stick like that ???
Bat transfered more energy. Bat does WAY more damage than a Hockey Stick, I'm no scientist and even I know that. Bat can cause concussion, skull fracture, etc.
I mean, I don't doubt that the bat would do more damage because it's got more mass and less flex. But still, judging from what has been seen in NHL games in the past, that stick has to be capable of a LOT more than what the dweeb did with it.
damm he flex the stick bad
It wasnt fair fause the stick was hollow and the bat was solid wood. The stick flexed because it was composite. And composite means it can flex without breaking using a certain material. Such as a brick. It isnt composite and if you put pressure it would break. A wooden baseball bat however, doesnt flex because it is solid and wont bend on impact. There are such things as a wooden hockey stick and a composite baseball bat. If they went against the same material and structure, it would have been fair
Now i know why Holwig got up so quick when Simon slashed him in the jaw.
should've used the stick like it was a long bat, he didnt hold it the right. stick would've been travelling faster if he had both hands on the handle..
why the hell would the guy swing the hockey swing like that
If the stick was slapped on it, so with the blade slapping on the head, it would hurt even less.
Is that even a question, base-ball bat vs hockey, like really, you cant come up with puck vs base-ball Ball, its like a gun vs an air rifle
This guy didnt even use the stick in a baseball bat motion, would of been a bigger difference if he used the stick like a swinging bat motion
yeah but hold the stick like ur holding the bat and hit him with the heel of the blade and then see what happens
A graphite stick vs. a metal bat. Hmm, gee, I wonder which one will do more damage..........
Holy damn 2000g, there's a video of a guy named Rampage who does 3000g with body slam O_o
ok, try swinging the hockey stick using a 110+ flex stick instead of doing whatever the hell he did
did they watch Marty's hit!??
Because he said he was going to do it the "worst somebody could possibly do" Don't know why they didn't do it in a hammer motion for either though.
Anyways, this one was pretty bad, it's obvious a bat would do more for a hundred reasons.
a good two handed chop/ slash would produce a lot more damage, than that messed up swing he used.
Probably wouldn't have been so low if the stick wasn't 50 flex
This test isn’t very accurate. 1 you don’t swing a hockey stick like that 2 when he charged the mound he swung the bag with one hand if you take a swing like your trying to hit a home run your gonna get more force then you would with one hand
if he properly two handed the dummy with a hockey stick, it would have been closer
Actually, he was referring to how he held the stick... it was not like any hockey player holds a stick. Plus the hockey stick flex looked like it sucked, too little flex.
I play hockey and have to admit the bat is worse but not 1850 HIC worse.
Rarely does a hockey player get hit with stick and almost never a baseball player gets hit by a bat, but hockey players wear helmets because of many things such as a stick. Baseball players don't wear helmets because a bat rarely hits them, only the person at bat wears one because it stops some impact of the ball if it hits them.
he should have held both of his hands at the end of the stick..
i had 2 concussions
The way he held the stick was stupid. That's high sticking. You have to do a slash. High sticking is just poking them with the stick. Slashing is actually swinging like a baseball bat. The blade strikes the face, not the heel!
flip dat wud be a bit sore lol !!
There is a reason they use a bat in boston
What about a puck hitting someone in the head?
Is that what you think metal looks like? You do realize it's wood right?
too bad this wasnt made when chris simon was at his prime
he didnt swing the stick properly, and he is using a composite stick, a wooden hokcey stick would deliver much more force, maybe not as much as the baseball bat, but anyone worth their salt could of broken that hockey stick upside that dummys head by using optimum force
I have a wooden hockey stick, so if an intruder breaks into my house how can I knock him out? Just like hit the head?
Lets just say he didn't swing the hockey stick like mcsorley
thats not how you hold a hockey stick but the bat would still be worse
dude is clearly american cuz if he was canadian he would know how to hold a hockey stick
Did I just watch a 10 min long vid to see that if you hit someone in the face with a bat it might kill them? I could have skipped this one
@oXoMeltdowNoXo you spelled "there" wrong it's their.
yeah i know what were these people thinking?? and to ninjahata you only grip the stick like that on some faceoffs..
Either way metal or wood the bat will do more damage. He swung the hockey stick like a complete idiot.
wow isnt he wearing gloves and holding it normally not with the bottom hand facing the wrong way