Andrew Klavan would make an amazing video game villain named, “The Klavanon”. An evil space wizard who was sent back in time to eradicate anyone who misspells Klavan and promote his new book, which has yet to be written.
Gamers saved the Western World. Conservatives simply don know it because all they were doing was losing to the Progressive left. Gamergate was the first group to even try to fight back the Commie/Fascist woke mob. We won.
@@ProdicalManThere are no E's in KLAVAN. He just makes it look that E'sy. Also, Klavan blindly hates Zelda because its graphics are "terrible" but Diablo 6's PS1 graphics impress him greatly. Don't trust Klavan on video games.
The biggest strength of video games as an artform, and the one that no other art medium has, is their interactivity. Moral choices, for example, are always explored in any storytelling medium, but a game's ability to allow the consumers of the art make their own moral choices is incredibly valuable. The ability to explore and discover things for yourself within the game world is something that no other art medium can pull off like video games. A game's difficulty is also a source of artistic merit. Something being easy or difficult can have implications that are more than just fun factor.
Mario games aren’t just great, so is the main man him self Mario. He’s my childhood hero and he’s always been there for me over the past decades of my life in many big and small ways that I couldn’t explain. He’s a humble guy, doesn’t look special or strong but regardless of his small height, his rugged looks, he does his best to be a hero and never give up on any one. He’s the face, and hero of many people’s childhood
It's so nice that we still have Nintendo and that Nintendo is based in non woke Japan. They still make games for people to have fun and the woke stuff never makes it into their games. The Mario Brothers and spinoffs have always been fantastic. Glad you got to see the Super Mario Bros movie too! Such a fantastic movie! I loved how the left melted down when the movie did so well compared to their woke crap. This is more proof that Americans are rejecting the woke agenda. The Mario movie was just so much fun. Easily the best movie I have seen in a while. Especially with Hollywood pushing their woke agenda. Nintendo is a great company. It's also nice to see the princesses (Peach, Daisy and Rosalina) are all still princesses and not gay/transgender.
Unfortunately Nintendo USA's translation team gets a bit more leeway on the more niche titles. In Xenoblade Chronicles 3 they made a character non binary. There are stumbles like that here and there but on the whole Nintendo has an iron grip on their content trying to ensure nothing too controversial gets into their major releases(which is why we won't get Mother 3)
@@joelsmemes4140 Yeah, the USA localization branch is a bit woke and meddles with the games a bit (not surprising, it's probably a bunch of California people or whatever) so you see some annoying things here and there like removing gendered language for games like Animal Crossing and Splatoon 3 or whatever seep in, but the games themselves are still created purely to be fun and good and their original visions don't have the same current-day political agendas a lot of western media does these days. It's just the Japanese doing whatever they want to do with the games they make in order to please their players, with little to no regard for Western politics and stuff whatever they may be.
Video games are undoubtedly art. If movies, television and books are art, than video games with their stories, music, emotional cues and imagery are indeed an art form.
True. But what he said at the beginning is also true. Games/movies/books are often a blend of art and entertainment. Sometimes they fall much farther on one side or the other.
@@TheAlibabatree I mean, in the dictionary it's "the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects" I'm not sure what part of game design, movies or books fails to meet that expectation. Just because Andrew only thinks art applies to paintings form 500 years ago doesn't mean the word is redefined.
@@drsch Creative things are new, or different from everything else. Formulas, by definition, are the opposite of creative. So, if a game or movie or book follows formulas, then it is not creative. Crafts follow formulas.
Drew should really give games like Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, and Journey a try. Journey in particular has what he keeps talking about with the portions of the movies not having any dialogue. The multiplayer makes it even better due to the cooperation.
That first statement about people mindlessly playing games instead of looking at the them critically is why games will have a hard time getting recognition. The way games are used by the vast majority of people isn't for their potential artistic qualities but for the dopamine fix, or, for many others, as a procrastination device. I think much of the disdain towards games has its roots in a (justified) disdain for the average gamer, not in the games themselves. I work in the game industry as an animator and I often feel conflicted about my work, because I'm in it for the world building, but then I see people wasting their lives, spending all their free time playing without even truly looking at the game. It makes me feel like I'm robbing people of their time and brain cells, but I've learned to just focus on my work and ignore the reality of how games are actually consumed. Seeing you actually care makes me feel a bit better though.
The best way I heard it is that games aren't like movies or books because to get the story you have to be able to get it yourself, the story can be blocked off from you based on your ability to play it
Games like Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2 that allow players to follow a really well written story wile having the freedom to fill in the gaps in the game play to develop and personalize the main character, and especially RDR2 where we get a chance to try to live out the American dream for rags to riches or anywhere in between and is something that players can relate with and even aspire to, wile at the same time showing not only the beauty of the American type landscapes but also the freedom of America and a appreciation for its history
That's one of the greatest, but no one can beat is Minecraft for the PC. For me, you can literally do anything on PC, if it's the vanilla version, then it can't be on this list, if it wasn't Minecraft for PC, then I would choose Dark Souls 1. My top of videogame franchises is this: 1. Dark Souls (and Bloodborne, Elden Ring, etc) 2. Metal Gear (Specifically, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, but every single one is perfect) 3. Chrono Trigger 4. Red Dead Redemption 1 & II 5. Silent Hill (the first 4 games) 6. Grand Theft Auto (I'm between IV, San Andreas and Vice City) 7. The Legend of Zelda (I'm between A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild, since I haven't played the last one yet) 8. Super Mario Bros. (specifically, Super Mario Galaxy, that game is a work of art) 9. BioShock 10. the first 5 Assassin's Creed games [1, II, Brotherhood, Revelations and III] 11. Final Fantasy (I'm between VI, VII, VIII, IX and X) 12. The Elder Scrolls Bonuses: Resident Evil franchise / Shadow of the Collosus, Ico / the Halo Trilogy, Halo 3 ODST and Halo Reach / the God of War franchise / Hitman / Tetris
I don't know the "greatest" tag anymore, but the foundation/founding father of video games, no doubt. And let's not forget the video game that literally saved the industry following a massive crash. To me that's way more important than its overall greatness. We have video games today because of Super Mario Bros.
I could only watch half! 7:30am on FOX34 Lubbock, and school started at 8am. A few years later, the Family Channel reran it in the afternoons during the summer.🍄
I like the take on the movie and how Mario really isn’t anything specific but that he “represents something” we enjoy and relate to. Like a mythical character. But I also think he’s become mythical due to his longevity and the primal simplicity of his original story. Also (and sorry for sounding like a dissenter! lol), I don’t think games are merely immersive and that the story still matters more than people think. Franchises like God of War, Zelda, Final Fantasy, even Mortal Kombat, have kept fans coming back for their gameplay and the story. Many of them have become their own myths I guess and can literally sell on name alone. But the games still thrive on that story element. Just my 2 cents. Or 3.
The Super Mario Bros. Super Show was great! I don't know what Drew's talking about. The Legend of Zelda cartoon they'd air every Friday was so much fun.
The greatest video game of all time is Tetris, and the best Tetris was released in 1989 on the orignal Game Boy. But Mario is pretty close. Super Mario World for SNES is the best of the console platformers by an order of magnitude.
Never was into video games...but I gotta say I believe it was Resident Evil 2 with Leon and Claire on the original playstation!!!! I was hooked on that game and it was terrifying...Im 35 now so I think I was 11ish when I played it. Greatest game ever
Something another Nintendo game, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, does really well is make an average life look wondrous and magical. Things like love and family are completely alien to the protagonists, and they discover them later in the game to their amazement.
I'm wondering if Klavan has seen the "Game Theorist" series. In particular, the one asking if Mario is secretly a COMMIE. It's good fun and there are lots of good fun episodes from that youtube channel. I highly recommend the one suggesting Donkey Kong Country is a take on the banana embargo and or the one that Cloud killed Areith in FF7
I was just glad the film didn't bend the knee to liberal sensitivities. Peach was a bit too feminist but by today's standards the film was a masterpiece.
I think your wrong on the "games are limited on story" augment, for example The Elder Scrolls and Fallout have some the most objectively complex and expansive worlds in all of fiction, and compared to movies, books, and TV shows, video games have the best potential to immerse your self into those story's , with movies and TV shows you watch the story unfold, in books you read the story and picture it in your head, in video games you literally live the story and get to be come the main character/characters and experience the events and locations that make up any great story. Also there are video games with more abstract story's that leave room for interpretation, like Furi, Celeste and Hotline Miami.
Andrew’s right about VR Just played Half-Life: ALYX this year and it felt like video games were new again. That feeling of being blown away by a video game as a kid came back for the first time in years. There’s nothing else like it so far.
Too bad they developed for a platform most don't have the money to invest in, and when the next actual VR game comes out many many years from now you'll need to buy another expensive new setup. VR is sadly a fad like it was last time.
Why I did not agree with you on The Legend of Zelda Mr. Klavan. I do agree with you that Super Mario Brothers game franchise is the greatest video game of all time... it just works.. Zelda is very very close but 2nd best video game of all time.
aren’t _Super Mario Bros 3,_ or _Super Mario World_ supposed to be better? also, compare something like _New Super Mario Bros U_ to _Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze…_ new DK blows new Mario out of the water. but I do think Mario was the game that reinvented home video game consoles into what they are today, so there’s that 👍
@@Sam_T2000 Just lump them all together, with Super Mario Brothers 2 being the worst of the all of them.. All of the of the others including the 3D versions which I played them all are all fun. Even the Game Boy versions where good.
100% HELL YEAH! Super Mario Bros 1 and the rest of Super Mario video games (2D Platformer, 3D Platformer, RPG, Racing & Party) are the 11/10 best video game franchise off all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
The first cartoon with Lou Albano was actually a hit, but the studios wanted a new series to match the newer Mario game which had just come out. So they shut that one down and switched it over to a different style, and this just wrecked the momentum along with the new show not having the same heart in it that the live action sequences brought. The movie was abysmal, yes. In fact it was so bad that it turned Nintendo off to movies for 30 years.
Agreed. The NBC seasons had new voices for Mario, Luigi, and Princess. At least King Koopa & Toad kept their 1989 voice actors. The overseas studio got sloppier on the Mario 3 season, and almost unwatchable during the Mario World episodes.🙄
11:48 I like to sometimes pause a video, think about what was said, and make a guess as to what will follow. My guess: Something to the effect (affect?) of "rather than the plot deriving most its essence/content from the main character, the main chracter derives most its essence/content from the plot.
I disagree on games not being that great of a story telling artform, I think they can be very good at that at times but usually yes it will ultimately be more focused on the visual art aspect, an example of games that would be more story focused are the Ace Attorney games or the tell tale games when they were at their peak with The Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us
After watching him play hogwarts legacy for 5 mins, I think his issue is he isn't in the mood to watch cutscenes and a lot of game's story development is in text and dialogue
Then you're just watching a movie. That isn't enough for games to qualify as art in my opinion. If all cinema had ever been is a camera in the back of a theater recording a play, movies wouldn't qualify as art, but the kind of games you are referring to are essentially just that - a recipient for an another art form. I tend to agree with Andrew that neither the storytelling aspect nor the gameplay can be a basis for calling games art, the world building aspect is the only thing that ONLY games can do.
Regarding this, with your speech at the end, about games being a visual media, I am reminded of Shadow of the Colossus. There is a story, but it is not explained, not truly touched, or anything. All you have is Wanderer going into this land of giants to revive a girl. Is it his girl? Who is she? Who is he? It doesn't matter. Big voice in the sky says kill the giants to rescue the girl. So you do. And some of the most intense and cinematographic fights in all of gaming throw you for a loop alongside some of the best epic music ever put on screen.
So wait...Zelda has terrible graphics so it's not worth playing but Diablo VI has amazing PS1 graphics so it's awesome but Mario has terrible graphics and is therefore the GOAT? Video games are the one area where I'm entirely sure you're talking out of your butt.
It’s always disappointing to hear Klavan say that games can’t tell stories with characters like movies and books just because he never finished The Last of Us or God of War. They’re not even long games, like he claims to play video games regularly, you could beat one of those easily in a month or two with only 30 minutes a day. Just astonishing that he can sit here and keep saying shit like that. Uses Mario as the end-all-be-all example of what game characters are like. Man needs to update his paradigms.
I don't know, man. Silent Hill and Sonic were pretty good. Resident Evil with the beautiful MIla Jovavich wasn't bad either, and it had eye candy to appreciate.
I remember my nephew use to hide away in his room playing Mario on his NES, I thought he was nuts, one day I was watching him play and I saw Mario getting coins by banging his head on bricks, the next thing I knew I was out buying a SNES, actually was the first one in town to get one, beat throwing coins away at the arcade,,,, before it was , joust and defender.... years later... I'm on Steam, playing TF2, Counterstrike and COD, of course MC.
The only decent videogame movies are Mario 2023 sonic 1 and 2 detective pikachu tomb raider 2001 with Angelina Jolie silent hill 2006 and mortal kombat 95 and 2021 and dead or alive 2006
Been playing some Hollow Knight. It has amazing music, great ambiance. I don't know what's going on yet, as it just gives you little crumbs and clues about what is happening in the world. But the game, also a platformer, is very beautiful and somehow makes you feel a little enriched after playing it. - I think you would like it.
I appreciated how it didn't make any effort to appeal to newcomers _at all._ It's overall attitude was "This franchise has been massively popular around the entire world for almost 40 years. If you've avoided it all this time and don't already know what the Blue Shell means, then FUUUUUCK YOOOOUUU!" Because one of the biggest pitfalls of video-game movies so far is trying to snag an audience outside the fanbase, which inevitably ends up disappointing the built-in audience of people who liked the game.
The greatest video game of all time hasn't been made yet, lol. As of right now the greatest video game ever made was pong. Or Wolfenstein 3d depending on whom you talk to. If you have the hardware then MSFS2020 is amazing in VR. Seriously, its an experience that cant be mimicked in any other way than putting on the headset.
It's just _Member Berries: The Movie._ Take out all the pop-culture references and cameos and you're left with the same generic "YA Teen Dystopia" plot that books and movies have both been milking dry for the last 15 years.
Mister klavan seemed unable to find the words to express the kind of art form that video games are they are what you would call an experiential art form I would love to know klavan's opinion of the game the tetris effect it's more of a classical game but it creates an experience that no film could ever match
Im actually hoping for something like the nervegear or amusphere from the anime sword art online Klavan , that transmits a virtual world directly to our brains and allows us to experience these worlds as if they were genuine reality, perhaps one day at the tail end of my life but if not oh well.... I like how you and Ben appreciate gaming and see the value and merits of it, not just it's potential downsides. For me gaming in terms of artistic expression, entertainment and storytelling is in many ways next level pun intended, and it would take something like what I said mentioned from sword art online or the holodeck concept from star trek to surpass gaming as it is now. I like books and occasionally read , but not as much as my younger self, anyways as much as I like stories in books, it is next level as i said to see tales come alive in modern mediums such as gaming ,as opposed to the highly vague realm of imagination, which while powerful is limited by one's experience and knowledge, and books as a medium to access imagination can only describe so much, so comes the radio, but it too has limits on what it can convey , books through words and illustration and radio sounds can only convey parts of a broader canvas. So comes film and combines the strength of both in many ways and it becomes one of the most effective storytelling devices mankind has , although I see games having the power to one day surpass film in that regard, because gaming can take it further not only granting you what these mediums try to convey but allow you yourself to experience and participate in the tale , the world, to have a hand in the story itself. The only things none of them, not even gaming can provide our senses is being able to smell, taste, and touch , but I believe that day will come too.
Andrew Klavan would make an amazing video game villain named, “The Klavanon”. An evil space wizard who was sent back in time to eradicate anyone who misspells Klavan and promote his new book, which has yet to be written.
From now on we must all refer to him as the Klavanon!
You'll find cultists standing in a circle chanting "K-L-A-V-A-N THERE ARE NO ES IN KLAVAN"
Or perhaps "the Klavanator."
KLAVANON SENT US
How about "The Klavenon"?
As someone who wants to make games I appreciate the fact you don't blindly hate them like a lot of conservatives.
Klaven has actually played all the god of war titles 😂
@Gab Salta me too!
he doesn’t like _Zelda,_ though…
Gamers saved the Western World. Conservatives simply don know it because all they were doing was losing to the Progressive left. Gamergate was the first group to even try to fight back the Commie/Fascist woke mob. We won.
@@ProdicalManThere are no E's in KLAVAN. He just makes it look that E'sy.
Also, Klavan blindly hates Zelda because its graphics are "terrible" but Diablo 6's PS1 graphics impress him greatly. Don't trust Klavan on video games.
Everyone: “Mario”
Klavan: “Mehrio”
Everyone: "mushrooms make Mario grow"
Klavan: "mushrooms make Mario shrink"
😅
The Super Mario Bros.Super Show, with Captain Lou was a classic and they used the intro music in the new movie.
The biggest strength of video games as an artform, and the one that no other art medium has, is their interactivity.
Moral choices, for example, are always explored in any storytelling medium, but a game's ability to allow the consumers of the art make their own moral choices is incredibly valuable.
The ability to explore and discover things for yourself within the game world is something that no other art medium can pull off like video games.
A game's difficulty is also a source of artistic merit. Something being easy or difficult can have implications that are more than just fun factor.
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Mario games aren’t just great, so is the main man him self Mario. He’s my childhood hero and he’s always been there for me over the past decades of my life in many big and small ways that I couldn’t explain. He’s a humble guy, doesn’t look special or strong but regardless of his small height, his rugged looks, he does his best to be a hero and never give up on any one. He’s the face, and hero of many people’s childhood
My favorite "spin-off" is John Williams' orchestral arrangement of the Mario theme. Especially Williams' closing coda--the "death" motif!
It's so nice that we still have Nintendo and that Nintendo is based in non woke Japan. They still make games for people to have fun and the woke stuff never makes it into their games. The Mario Brothers and spinoffs have always been fantastic. Glad you got to see the Super Mario Bros movie too! Such a fantastic movie! I loved how the left melted down when the movie did so well compared to their woke crap. This is more proof that Americans are rejecting the woke agenda. The Mario movie was just so much fun. Easily the best movie I have seen in a while. Especially with Hollywood pushing their woke agenda. Nintendo is a great company. It's also nice to see the princesses (Peach, Daisy and Rosalina) are all still princesses and not gay/transgender.
Unfortunately Nintendo USA's translation team gets a bit more leeway on the more niche titles. In Xenoblade Chronicles 3 they made a character non binary.
There are stumbles like that here and there but on the whole Nintendo has an iron grip on their content trying to ensure nothing too controversial gets into their major releases(which is why we won't get Mother 3)
@@joelsmemes4140 Yeah, the USA localization branch is a bit woke and meddles with the games a bit (not surprising, it's probably a bunch of California people or whatever) so you see some annoying things here and there like removing gendered language for games like Animal Crossing and Splatoon 3 or whatever seep in, but the games themselves are still created purely to be fun and good and their original visions don't have the same current-day political agendas a lot of western media does these days. It's just the Japanese doing whatever they want to do with the games they make in order to please their players, with little to no regard for Western politics and stuff whatever they may be.
Video games are undoubtedly art. If movies, television and books are art, than video games with their stories, music, emotional cues and imagery are indeed an art form.
True. But what he said at the beginning is also true. Games/movies/books are often a blend of art and entertainment. Sometimes they fall much farther on one side or the other.
@@TheAlibabatree I mean, in the dictionary it's "the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects" I'm not sure what part of game design, movies or books fails to meet that expectation. Just because Andrew only thinks art applies to paintings form 500 years ago doesn't mean the word is redefined.
@@drsch Well, if one follows a formula or blueprint, then its not necessarily “creative”.
@@TheAlibabatree I honestly have no idea what that means.
@@drsch Creative things are new, or different from everything else. Formulas, by definition, are the opposite of creative.
So, if a game or movie or book follows formulas, then it is not creative. Crafts follow formulas.
Drew should really give games like Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, and Journey a try. Journey in particular has what he keeps talking about with the portions of the movies not having any dialogue. The multiplayer makes it even better due to the cooperation.
That first statement about people mindlessly playing games instead of looking at the them critically is why games will have a hard time getting recognition. The way games are used by the vast majority of people isn't for their potential artistic qualities but for the dopamine fix, or, for many others, as a procrastination device. I think much of the disdain towards games has its roots in a (justified) disdain for the average gamer, not in the games themselves. I work in the game industry as an animator and I often feel conflicted about my work, because I'm in it for the world building, but then I see people wasting their lives, spending all their free time playing without even truly looking at the game. It makes me feel like I'm robbing people of their time and brain cells, but I've learned to just focus on my work and ignore the reality of how games are actually consumed. Seeing you actually care makes me feel a bit better though.
The best way I heard it is that games aren't like movies or books because to get the story you have to be able to get it yourself, the story can be blocked off from you based on your ability to play it
Games like Red Dead Redemption 1 and 2 that allow players to follow a really well written story wile having the freedom to fill in the gaps in the game play to develop and personalize the main character, and especially RDR2 where we get a chance to try to live out the American dream for rags to riches or anywhere in between and is something that players can relate with and even aspire to, wile at the same time showing not only the beauty of the American type landscapes but also the freedom of America and a appreciation for its history
That's one of the greatest, but no one can beat is Minecraft for the PC. For me, you can literally do anything on PC, if it's the vanilla version, then it can't be on this list, if it wasn't Minecraft for PC, then I would choose Dark Souls 1.
My top of videogame franchises is this:
1. Dark Souls (and Bloodborne, Elden Ring, etc)
2. Metal Gear (Specifically, Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, but every single one is perfect)
3. Chrono Trigger
4. Red Dead Redemption 1 & II
5. Silent Hill (the first 4 games)
6. Grand Theft Auto (I'm between IV, San Andreas and Vice City)
7. The Legend of Zelda (I'm between A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, Majora's Mask, Twilight Princess and Breath of the Wild, since I haven't played the last one yet)
8. Super Mario Bros. (specifically, Super Mario Galaxy, that game is a work of art)
9. BioShock
10. the first 5 Assassin's Creed games [1, II, Brotherhood, Revelations and III]
11. Final Fantasy (I'm between VI, VII, VIII, IX and X)
12. The Elder Scrolls
Bonuses: Resident Evil franchise / Shadow of the Collosus, Ico / the Halo Trilogy, Halo 3 ODST and Halo Reach / the God of War franchise / Hitman / Tetris
I don't know the "greatest" tag anymore, but the foundation/founding father of video games, no doubt. And let's not forget the video game that literally saved the industry following a massive crash. To me that's way more important than its overall greatness. We have video games today because of Super Mario Bros.
I loved the Super Mario show when I was a kid. The problem was the time slot, it was on while most kids were still in school.
I could only watch half! 7:30am on FOX34 Lubbock, and school started at 8am. A few years later, the Family Channel reran it in the afternoons during the summer.🍄
I like the take on the movie and how Mario really isn’t anything specific but that he “represents something” we enjoy and relate to. Like a mythical character. But I also think he’s become mythical due to his longevity and the primal simplicity of his original story.
Also (and sorry for sounding like a dissenter! lol), I don’t think games are merely immersive and that the story still matters more than people think. Franchises like God of War, Zelda, Final Fantasy, even Mortal Kombat, have kept fans coming back for their gameplay and the story. Many of them have become their own myths I guess and can literally sell on name alone. But the games still thrive on that story element. Just my 2 cents. Or 3.
The Super Mario Bros. Super Show was great! I don't know what Drew's talking about. The Legend of Zelda cartoon they'd air every Friday was so much fun.
The greatest video game of all time is Tetris, and the best Tetris was released in 1989 on the orignal Game Boy.
But Mario is pretty close. Super Mario World for SNES is the best of the console platformers by an order of magnitude.
Never was into video games...but I gotta say I believe it was Resident Evil 2 with Leon and Claire on the original playstation!!!! I was hooked on that game and it was terrifying...Im 35 now so I think I was 11ish when I played it. Greatest game ever
For sure, that game was top 5 at least.
6:13-6:20 - the 90s was an unprecedented decade of top-tier film and animation
Something another Nintendo game, Xenoblade Chronicles 3, does really well is make an average life look wondrous and magical. Things like love and family are completely alien to the protagonists, and they discover them later in the game to their amazement.
Please play the Super Mario Wonder next month lol
I'm wondering if Klavan has seen the "Game Theorist" series. In particular, the one asking if Mario is secretly a COMMIE. It's good fun and there are lots of good fun episodes from that youtube channel. I highly recommend the one suggesting Donkey Kong Country is a take on the banana embargo and or the one that Cloud killed Areith in FF7
I was just glad the film didn't bend the knee to liberal sensitivities. Peach was a bit too feminist but by today's standards the film was a masterpiece.
I think your wrong on the "games are limited on story" augment, for example The Elder Scrolls and Fallout have some the most objectively complex and expansive worlds in all of fiction, and compared to movies, books, and TV shows, video games have the best potential to immerse your self into those story's , with movies and TV shows you watch the story unfold, in books you read the story and picture it in your head, in video games you literally live the story and get to be come the main character/characters and experience the events and locations that make up any great story.
Also there are video games with more abstract story's that leave room for interpretation, like Furi, Celeste and Hotline Miami.
Begin again in the night
Let's sway again tonight
Your arm on my shoulder
Your cheek against mine
Where can we go
When will we find that we know...
Andrew’s right about VR
Just played Half-Life: ALYX this year and it felt like video games were new again. That feeling of being blown away by a video game as a kid came back for the first time in years. There’s nothing else like it so far.
Too bad they developed for a platform most don't have the money to invest in, and when the next actual VR game comes out many many years from now you'll need to buy another expensive new setup. VR is sadly a fad like it was last time.
I felt this too-it was crazy. I experienced that feeling from 20 years ago; I didn’t even know it was possible to feel it anymore.
Why I did not agree with you on The Legend of Zelda Mr. Klavan. I do agree with you that Super Mario Brothers game franchise is the greatest video game of all time... it just works.. Zelda is very very close but 2nd best video game of all time.
aren’t _Super Mario Bros 3,_ or _Super Mario World_ supposed to be better?
also, compare something like _New Super Mario Bros U_ to _Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze…_ new DK blows new Mario out of the water.
but I do think Mario was the game that reinvented home video game consoles into what they are today, so there’s that 👍
@@Sam_T2000 Just lump them all together, with Super Mario Brothers 2 being the worst of the all of them.. All of the of the others including the 3D versions which I played them all are all fun. Even the Game Boy versions where good.
Klavan needs to play the new Zelda
100% HELL YEAH! Super Mario Bros 1 and the rest of Super Mario video games (2D Platformer, 3D Platformer, RPG, Racing & Party) are the 11/10 best video game franchise off all time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
To see a conservative media outlet post a video called "Why Super Mario Bros. Is the GREATEST Video Game of All Time" is truly hilarious.
The first cartoon with Lou Albano was actually a hit, but the studios wanted a new series to match the newer Mario game which had just come out. So they shut that one down and switched it over to a different style, and this just wrecked the momentum along with the new show not having the same heart in it that the live action sequences brought. The movie was abysmal, yes. In fact it was so bad that it turned Nintendo off to movies for 30 years.
Agreed. The NBC seasons had new voices for Mario, Luigi, and Princess. At least King Koopa & Toad kept their 1989 voice actors. The overseas studio got sloppier on the Mario 3 season, and almost unwatchable during the Mario World episodes.🙄
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I like to sometimes pause a video, think about what was said, and make a guess as to what will follow. My guess:
Something to the effect (affect?) of "rather than the plot deriving most its essence/content from the main character, the main chracter derives most its essence/content from the plot.
Have a talk with Walsh and Owens. You and Ben get why games are art and the amazement that comes with them
Since when does Ben get why games are art? Just a couple months ago on his show I remember him (jokingly) dissing them. Maybe you meant Jeremy
I disagree on games not being that great of a story telling artform, I think they can be very good at that at times but usually yes it will ultimately be more focused on the visual art aspect, an example of games that would be more story focused are the Ace Attorney games or the tell tale games when they were at their peak with The Walking Dead and Wolf Among Us
After watching him play hogwarts legacy for 5 mins, I think his issue is he isn't in the mood to watch cutscenes and a lot of game's story development is in text and dialogue
Then you're just watching a movie. That isn't enough for games to qualify as art in my opinion. If all cinema had ever been is a camera in the back of a theater recording a play, movies wouldn't qualify as art, but the kind of games you are referring to are essentially just that - a recipient for an another art form. I tend to agree with Andrew that neither the storytelling aspect nor the gameplay can be a basis for calling games art, the world building aspect is the only thing that ONLY games can do.
@@katakana-kun2122 nah red dead 2 is a good example why video games are art.
I distinctly remember being a wee lad of maybe 3, and loving the Mario cartoon
Super Mario World is one of my favorite video games. 2D Mario is about as good as it gets.
If an experience is art, video games are art
Regarding this, with your speech at the end, about games being a visual media, I am reminded of Shadow of the Colossus. There is a story, but it is not explained, not truly touched, or anything. All you have is Wanderer going into this land of giants to revive a girl. Is it his girl? Who is she? Who is he? It doesn't matter. Big voice in the sky says kill the giants to rescue the girl. So you do. And some of the most intense and cinematographic fights in all of gaming throw you for a loop alongside some of the best epic music ever put on screen.
Anyone remember cyborg justice? One of those obscure Sega games that really stood out.
Shatterfist anyone?
Captain N the game master was great. The 93 Mario is an underrated classic. Dennis Hopper is excellent in it.
So wait...Zelda has terrible graphics so it's not worth playing but Diablo VI has amazing PS1 graphics so it's awesome but Mario has terrible graphics and is therefore the GOAT? Video games are the one area where I'm entirely sure you're talking out of your butt.
Klavan should check out Red Dead Redemption 2. If there is art in games, that's a good entry.
It’s always disappointing to hear Klavan say that games can’t tell stories with characters like movies and books just because he never finished The Last of Us or God of War. They’re not even long games, like he claims to play video games regularly, you could beat one of those easily in a month or two with only 30 minutes a day. Just astonishing that he can sit here and keep saying shit like that. Uses Mario as the end-all-be-all example of what game characters are like. Man needs to update his paradigms.
LOL Pauline wanted to have "adventures" before she got married. Nowadays that means she has syphilis.
I don't know, man. Silent Hill and Sonic were pretty good. Resident Evil with the beautiful MIla Jovavich wasn't bad either, and it had eye candy to appreciate.
The games have nothing to do with Milla Jovovich, who is only in the movies, which are themselves idiotic and creatively-sterile trash.
There is... NO WAY you just dissed the Super Show.
"I don't think its happened yet" You need to play Breath of the Wild for more than two hours my dude.
90s Mario was my jam. Do the Mario
I want to see Klavan go through the metal gear solid saga
to see him put Kojima's 9th grade philosophizing on blast?
I'd specifically like to see his reaction to the A.I. conversation at the end of MGS2.
He'll say hire an editor, or two, or twelve.
I remember my nephew use to hide away in his room playing Mario on his NES, I thought he was nuts, one day I was watching him play and I saw Mario getting coins by banging his head on bricks, the next thing I knew I was out buying a SNES, actually was the first one in town to get one, beat throwing coins away at the arcade,,,, before it was , joust and defender.... years later... I'm on Steam, playing TF2, Counterstrike and COD, of course MC.
You have us wrong us guys that play 4 hours straight are the guys who set in front of Mario growing up.
Don't hate🤙
We need to get Andrew to play Planescape Torment.
I bet he'd love playing that book.
because gamer navel gazing isn't insufferable enough when one hears it, one must play it and actively participate.
We need to get a video of Drew playing 'Resident Evil 4 VR'. I think he'd dig it.
Super Mario World and Bros 3 are two of the best ever
The only decent videogame movies are Mario 2023 sonic 1 and 2 detective pikachu tomb raider 2001 with Angelina Jolie silent hill 2006 and mortal kombat 95 and 2021 and dead or alive 2006
See? You can know gaming, enjoy gaming and talk gaming and still be a good person. Take notes, world.
Man who's played like 3 video games makes a video about what the greatest video game of all times is
lol I'm joking of course, at least a little lol
Challenge the ' BRAINWASHED ' to FACT CHECK these movies ' UNINFORMED CONSENT ',' PLANDEMIC 2',' DIED SUDDENLY '.
No it’s Zelda in all it’s forms
That’s what I don’t really like about the idea of giving Mario an arc, he’s just a mascot.
Miyamoto also really doesn’t like giving Mario a story either. With the Mario series, he just wants players to relax and have fun.
Been playing some Hollow Knight. It has amazing music, great ambiance. I don't know what's going on yet, as it just gives you little crumbs and clues about what is happening in the world. But the game, also a platformer, is very beautiful and somehow makes you feel a little enriched after playing it. - I think you would like it.
He says it correctly! *Thumbs up 4 seconds in*
It’s Zelda Andrew
I still love the movie because of its sheer insanity.
I appreciated how it didn't make any effort to appeal to newcomers _at all._ It's overall attitude was "This franchise has been massively popular around the entire world for almost 40 years. If you've avoided it all this time and don't already know what the Blue Shell means, then FUUUUUCK YOOOOUUU!" Because one of the biggest pitfalls of video-game movies so far is trying to snag an audience outside the fanbase, which inevitably ends up disappointing the built-in audience of people who liked the game.
It's nice to hear a nuanced opinion on video game storytelling from a conservative guy.
The greatest video game of all time hasn't been made yet, lol. As of right now the greatest video game ever made was pong. Or Wolfenstein 3d depending on whom you talk to. If you have the hardware then MSFS2020 is amazing in VR. Seriously, its an experience that cant be mimicked in any other way than putting on the headset.
Metal Gear Solid and Mass Effect do prove great storytelling in games
Super Smash Bros 64
What are you talking about? The show was great! Whats-a matter with you, eh 🤣
It was cheese, but it was good enjoyable cheese.
I loved that old live action Mario skits
That pretty blond girl is Nicole Eggert! Fine lady she is / was.
Would love to see Andrew on Friday Night Tights
Video games story telling should be much more inmersive, subtle and interactive than dialogue and observing driven.
For my money Red Dead redemption 2 is the greatest game ever and would make a killer movie
Hey Andrew, did you ever do a review of "Ready Player One"? I will have to look that up if you did!
It's just _Member Berries: The Movie._ Take out all the pop-culture references and cameos and you're left with the same generic "YA Teen Dystopia" plot that books and movies have both been milking dry for the last 15 years.
Mister klavan seemed unable to find the words to express the kind of art form that video games are they are what you would call an experiential art form I would love to know klavan's opinion of the game the tetris effect it's more of a classical game but it creates an experience that no film could ever match
@IonRuby please excuse all typos as I use speech-to-text it does not always translate in the future I will endeavor to catch the typos before I post
The live-action movie is absolutely ridiculous and I love every moment of it !
Congratulations Super Mario Bro
Right franchise, wring game. Super Mario 64 is the best game ever.
For some reason a lot of conservatives have a real blind spot for appreciating video games, I really enjoyed your analysis here.
This is such an odd spelling for "Zelda"
I’m digging Tears of the Kingdom. I only play Zelda games anymore.
Nintendo is bad at open world
My favorite video game of all time is Fallout New Vegas.
Begin again in the night
Let's sway again tonight
Your arm on my shoulder
Your cheek against mine
Where can we go
When will we find that we know...
@@vanderful2397 Sierra Madre DLC very nice.
@@tylermeyer2163 Oh yes! My favorite part of the game.
Bad title marketing. This wouldve been better served as a 'history of mario' vid.
Im actually hoping for something like the nervegear or amusphere from the anime sword art online Klavan , that transmits a virtual world directly to our brains and allows us to experience these worlds as if they were genuine reality, perhaps one day at the tail end of my life but if not oh well....
I like how you and Ben appreciate gaming and see the value and merits of it, not just it's potential downsides.
For me gaming in terms of artistic expression, entertainment and storytelling is in many ways next level pun intended, and it would take something like what I said mentioned from sword art online or the holodeck concept from star trek to surpass gaming as it is now.
I like books and occasionally read , but not as much as my younger self, anyways as much as I like stories in books, it is next level as i said to see tales come alive in modern mediums such as gaming ,as opposed to the highly vague realm of imagination, which while powerful is limited by one's experience and knowledge, and books as a medium to access imagination can only describe so much, so comes the radio, but it too has limits on what it can convey , books through words and illustration and radio sounds can only convey parts of a broader canvas.
So comes film and combines the strength of both in many ways and it becomes one of the most effective storytelling devices mankind has , although I see games having the power to one day surpass film in that regard, because gaming can take it further not only granting you what these mediums try to convey but allow you yourself to experience and participate in the tale , the world, to have a hand in the story itself.
The only things none of them, not even gaming can provide our senses is being able to smell, taste, and touch , but I believe that day will come too.
Sorry Klavan, but it's not SMB, it's Tetris.
I would like to see Mr. Klavan's reaction to the game "Limbo," or "Inside."
Space invaders was better. It didn't have as much story, but the movement was a lot more interesting.
I would love to hear what klavan thinks of Rene Girard's interpretation of what myths are.
I love you Andrew😂❤and I agree
Sega does what nintendon´t 🤣
And love Andrew I'm glad you discover❤
Wasn't The Perils Of Pauline the origin of the term "cliffhanger," because an early episode ended with her literally hanging from a cliff?
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Try Legend of Zelda
Edith Finch.
_Donkey Kong Country_ is a better 2D platforming franchise.