This HIDDEN TRIM DETAIL Affects Your Whole House! See Why...(Reveals/Trim Reveal/Trim Carpentry)
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Trim Carpentry is full of tips, tricks and strategies. But there is one hidden detail in trim carpentry that is utterly important--and it's EVERYWHERE in our houses. This short video from The Honest Carpenter will help explain what it is, and how and when to use it!
This HIDDEN TRIM DETAIL Affects Your Whole House! See Why...(Reveals/Trim Reveal/Trim Carpentry)
The hidden trim detail in all of our homes is THE REVEAL.
A REVEAL is simply the offset positioning of two trim boards along an edge.
You find reveals primarily around doors and windows, where two casings meet at 90 degrees to one another, and travel together along an edge.
The reveal on interior casings is often 3/16" to 1/4".
The reveal on exterior door casings is often 1/2".
Lumber is often imperfect, and by offsetting the position of one of these boards a little bit, you create a narrow valley or inner corner between the two boards that hides their flaws much better than if they were lined up.
The reveal is much easier to caulk into, thereby hiding the visible seam completely.
But, trim reveals also create a pleasing shadow line! This visible detail makes trim more appealing to the eye.
This shadow line reveal element has been used in architecture for thousands of years to make trim and structural profiles more beautiful.
Many of our new pre-hung doors come with trim already in place, and the trim reveal already set.
Reveals must be set very early on in the trim phase of a carpentry project, because horizontal trim butts up against casing with reveals, more or less trapping it in place.
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Since you asked.... I am a trim carpenter for 30+ years. You are correct in everything you said but you did leave a critical element. Wood is always moving due to temperature and moisture throughout the seasons. Even if you had all laser straight materials being applied to perfect plumb, level, and square structures, a flush joint would eventually be exposed over the years, especially when joining dissimilar materials. A reveal also helps mask a joints movement. I always liked the way it was said about about a reveal, "we celebrate the joint instead of hiding it."
If you're still using this account and have some good materials on the finer points I'd appreciate it. Love this guy's channel but he's right about having to cater to the algorithm and I always end the video feeling a little more confidant but I'd like the phase where I have to explain to people that I'm not a professional in that aspect while getting them to understand I won't do a bad job but don't feel comfortable charging what I think the work is worth due to a lack of comprehensive understanding of the craft to be over. Then they say oh no it's fine and I do it and maybe it's just me but I'm always very dissatisfied with my work. They rarely complain and I just don't know if it's because they understood what I was saying or they just feel bad for me because I'm young
@@timothyshires967 Stay at it Buddy!... It takes years to become a master carpenter. Just always do your very best and be honest. I don't know your skill set but just be careful when talking to clients, don't make yourself look to bad by being overly humble, to where they get nervous and decide to use someone else but at the same time, don't take on something you are not sure you can finish.. I'm saying there is a little bit of song and dance we have to do, when it comes to home owners, not always but everybody is different...
This book is Awesome! I love the Lean-To-Shed the most (page 98). The plan ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxe9yi0sulKgsp0VJJCIrLWWkvVqcU7LFR is to attach it to the back of my brick house. I also like how they walk you through the many different steps of construction, which is important for the less experienced like me.
45-50 years ago I was helping my grandfather, who was a master carpenter, trim out a house he built for a customer. The customer and his wife asked why can’t you just flush this trim up, wouldn’t it look better? My grandfather explained why and even showed them some examples of trim in the house next door. He end up making some trim samples up to show them. Two of them had a couple of different reveals, one was flush and one was flush but he had used a block plane to do a slight chamfer where the two board came together. They decided on the trim detail with the slight chamfer. I remember my grandfather explain that even with the chamfer he couldn’t guarantee that the trim wouldn’t open up a little. The next week they decided to do a reveal on the trim. Luckily the trim had not been started yet when they changed their mind... His explanation made them look at trim differently and they looked at trim in other homes and realized the reveal and shadow line looked much better. That was a teaching moment for me as well and now you are providing that knowledge to others. Thanks...
That's an amazing story, Ron. The double chamfer is real master carpenter stuff--like some of the details you see in the famous Gamble house. I also appreciate that he took the time to teach them the logic behind the various decisions, and even made models. I sometimes fear that that level of dedication to craftsmanship is gone, but I also hope/believe there are folks out there who still take the time. I'm glad I can try to help roll it forward in any way I can. Thanks for writing in!
I've done the double chamfer on shelf nosing but would never think to do it on a whole house of trim. That is an amazing amount of work.
@Ron H - Excellent and thanks for sharing .
That's a great story.
I always want the client to give their input on details, they're paying for it and have to live with it.
I was finishing up a rail cap on a job and in this case unfortunately asked the owner their preference.
When I showed him a sample mock up with the overhang option which would create our Reveal he instantly suggested Flushing them up.
Oh boy I thought.
I tried explaining the whole reveal concept, obviously not as articulate as our THC did.
He thought his idea was better, so we stood there in face off mode till he walked off.
I finished the job with the appropriate reveal I saw fit.
@@TheHonestCarpenter Okay. Now what is chamfer?
80+ .... renovated my home, and helped many friends, family with home-do's. With a technical background, I've done everything from remedial drywall, to plumbing, to electrical .... with a lot of simple carpentry, woodworking thrown in. Been at the home improvements thing now for well over 20 years. This is the FIRST explanation/description of something I've noticed long ago, but had no idea it was a "formal" or intentional treatment. Being a loner, never had anyone show me or teach me the old ways, or "tricks of the ..." . Just always wanted to do it "right". This revelation from you is truly a great step forward for this old man in knowledge and workmanship. Huge THANK YOU!! My work will be the better for your effort, skill, and taking the time to inform. Great job!
I’m with you 100%… this is priceless info for someone like me- and you…
As a longtime carpenter, I've never seen revals better explained. On point!! You win the interwebs for today!!
Thank you, turkey! Always glad to hear feedback from other carpenters 😄
I’ve been doin this my entire career without knowing it was the right thing to do. I got thrown into a trim job a while back not knowing anything about it. Put my first piece up I just knew that making a perfect matching edge was impossible. So my on the job fix was to set it back a little for that “step”. Great video. Makes me feel like I know what I’m doin sometimes lol
I knew the reveals existed but never thought of them that way. I’m just a weekend handyman so this helped me out a lot.
Glad to hear, David!
I never thought of them like that either. I'm so glad that I subscribed to his channel.
I work as a Maintenance Technician and I always thought you push the trim back slightly so your hinges and Striker plates aren't touching it...
I noticed them but I'm new to DIY and the first door I helped install was pre-hung and I didn't know those extra "lips", which was what I always called them, was for beauty and purpose.
This was very revealing.
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BA DUM TSSS
We see what you did there...
Damn why didn't I think of that one !
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This content is so organized, I have no words! I’m about to walk around my house looking for reveals lol
I appreciate the fact that you get right to the point of your video and don't waste time with small talk, showing me your dog, kids, etc. When I look at instructional videos on UA-cam, I do so to learn, not for entertainment. Thank you.
Had my dad set me straight on setting the reveal when I was 11 helping him trim the doors in our house- have always checked the reveals since- this also applies to cabinet door alignments, spacing of the door in the jamb, drawer face either proud or recessed, sliding doors, windows, anything where two surfaces come together
Reveals are super important! David Smith hit the nail on the head. You explained it in a way I hadn’t thought about it before. And I just built my first door frame from scratch. Really made me appreciate this concept even more! Thanks man!!
cant tell you how relived I was after watching this. Just did a big trim install in my dinning room. I saw this title and thought "oh no what didn't I do right?" To my surprise I did exactly what you're talking about. Not bc I knew what I was doing but paying attention to details around the house and copying those. Guess I owe the previous installer a big thank you too.
20 years ago my remodeling carpenter walked me thru this. When I started diy, I recalled this lesson. I appreciate you sharing it today.
Thank you, Anne! It's funny that I can't remember who taught me reveals (probably my dad), but it sure as heck stays with you because there's such a helpful philosophy attached to it :)
@@TheHonestCarpenter The same situation happened with me. I built a custom home in 2008 and my woodshop carpenter taught me about reveals and the difference between "rosettes" and the "head blocks" that he used around each of my door and window frames. Today, I'm personally remodeling my current home and remembering the trick of the reveal. Thanks for such great videos!
I so take the reveal for granted that I couldn't guess what the "trim secret" was! The nice thing about this is that it's a lesson one only ever needs to learn the one time before it becomes standard.
Haha same!!
As an apprentice trim carpenter I love these education topics Im hooked .
Thanks, garuda! Good luck with the apprenticeship. You'll pick all this stuff up fast with a good in-the-field instructor.
Several years ago I did trim carpentry for a track home builder. I really enjoyed the challenge of making an out-of-plumb doorway become perfectly plumb and level. The reveal is the fixer of almost any framing error. If the hinge side of a door is out of plumb, the door will not stay in position, unless it's closed.
Sadly, I bought a house that has a bathroom door that is out of plumb on the hinge side. It's a framing issue. One of these days I will take it down and install it correctly. It's been 12 years, so I'm about ready to fix it. Yep.
Nothing a big ole 4" screw through the top hinge can't fix??
I re did about 6 doors and 3 window trims at my first home. It was a house and it turned out amazing but I knew something was just off...never heard of this but that was 100% the problem! Lesson learned !
What do I think about this video? I love it. The subject cannot be presented better.
Thank you, Philippe!
Great Video - wish I had seen it last month when I DIY fitted a door frame without doing this. It now looks awful 😭
I agree Very good job HC.
Thank you for mentioning the concept of shadow lines.
You'll see it and understand it on the exterior as well, especially with vinyl siding.
If there are 2 houses next to each and one just has standard D4 vinyl siding, while the other has D4 Dutch lap siding, the Dutch lap one will be more appealing and most people aren't even able to explain why they prefer the look of the Dutch lap house.
Googles “dutch lap siding”
I was a residential painter for a long time and never knew this, but it was a real pleasure painting behind and putting the finishing beauty on what a good trim carpenter did. Maybe this is part of the reason. Also little details that made a difference were enough nails, but not too much and almost every nail was set right, leaving a hole to fill, not too many sticking out and making an eye sore.
Another detail was gaps were straight and consistent. I could tell when it was a focus, and it made a difference in how much caulking had to be used and effort towards making up for the lack of consistency.
Very good perspective, Hal. Painters are in the best position to identify and benefit from good trim work. My painting skills are so bad, I'm always amazed what good painters can accomplish with bad trim work. There's an art to the cover-up. And good point with the nailing--in my head I've been putting together a trim nailing video for a while. I'm going to draw attention to some of the things you said here. 👍
@@TheHonestCarpenter It is definitely a learned skill. Awesome to hear you talking about what I mentioned. I look forward to that. You're a great teacher!
You just opened my eyes to something so important.
I'm about to retrim my entire house, from baseboards to window trims and door trims, even building new shelves as well.
I've observed reveals while I was working on my trims. And I just thought that reveals look nice and give the trimmer more latitude I use reveals all the time. As for myself this video revealed that trim detail had a name and great reasons for its use. I'm just a DIY guy looking for woodworking solutions as I work on my house.
Simple and genius. In math, chemistry, and building, the "elegant" answer is usually the less complicated and more orifice solution. Bravo 👏
My living room was constructed without trim around the doors and windows. I am planning on adding it this summer because I feel it will make the room look finished. Your video was very helpful in explaining why the reveal is so important.
Im just a homeowner and you just gave a real and practical architecture class. Good stuff!
This may get covered in a later video, but having a consistent reveal helps to hide “forced reveals” caused by hinges and striker plate. Most pre-hung doors have mortise hinges causing a 1/8” reveal, plus a thicker trim will rub against the moving parts of the hinge, so you move the trim another 1/8” (1/8 + 1/8 = 1/4) to prevent rubbing
I love your stuff. I’ve been doing construction for years, but very specific things, finish drywall, wood restoration, detailed side of things, and I’m grateful for the information you share. Please keep up the good work 🔨
As important as the subject is I'm sure that not everyone knows about this. Really appreciate the way you explain it James. Once again, I learned something that would ensure quality and standards in a job. And most importantly turning weaknesses into strengths.
Thanks for watching, Surajit!
There's a big difference between a rough in Carpenter & a Finish Carpenter. The simplicity of your explanation made that "aha" moment for me. Thank you for taking the time to make this video!
I am always lookin for ways to improve my diy game, that said this was very good, and often wondered about the extra space, this will make the pain of lining everything up much easier, along with all the 'dressing up afterward' too! Thanks
Incidently, I was wondering about a mitering video for framing window moulding or base or ceiling moulding.
Thank you, Grand! I'm working on getting some new shop space. I'll definitely do some extensive miter saw / miter cut videos as soon as I can :)
Just a bit of trivia if you American chippies are interested.
In Australia they call that setback a 'quirk'.
'Reveal size' is generally used to refer to the finished opening size. However, the dressed board around the internal of the window which attaches the window frame to the framing stud is also called the 'reveal'.
You are a wonderful teacher/explainer/show-er/teacher. Thank you for doing what you are so great at.
Precise, concise, honest. I’m starting woodworking projects and your pro advice will definitely guide me along the way
I'm not a carpenter, handy man. I'm just a diyer. I've put all new trim, base boards and door jams and new doors in my house. I thought when I did this I was just adding a bit of architecture. I love alot of detail in my wood working. I actually used this technique to create my own home made trim for a round a basement window that had none. I was pleasantly surprised! Thank you so much for the helpful information! I am learning alot here! 🌹🙂🌺
I love how your videos are so detailed and easy to understand. Never new reveals were so important. Keep feeding us this valuable info!
This was my first time hearing about this, and it’s very appreciated to hear about this. I’ll be mindful moving forwards when looking at trims.
You revealed the importance of “the reveal.” Never thought about it before, noticed it, but now I understand why.
Love the historical context and application you put in your videos. You are a very practical carpenter and excellent teacher. Keep it up!
You are 100% correct about reveals. Long ago when I was starting out I did not understand this concept and wondered why my work looked funny when I was done. I don't remember what show on tv I was watching but they demonstrated the reveal and explained it. The next time I was called to do trim work, I made the reveal and lo and behold when I stepped back I got down with my bad self. I tell people it creates architectural interest and dimension. And my wife and family compliment me on my such good work. Do yourself a favor folks and listen to the masters. They know what they are talking about and there is a positive reason why they do the things the way they do.
Awesome Video. Perfect explanations for this critical element.
Thanks, Erik!
I am a DIYer. I truly appreciate the videos you put out. They are very helpful and I have learned so much. I do a lot of painting and caulking around doors and trim. I had noticed this feature, but did not realize it was done on purpose or why. In fact I often thought it was a mistake or poor carpentry. Now I know why it is done and that it is on purpose. It makes so much sense and does make things look better. I also have installed trim and now know i need to add a reveal when I do trim. Thank you so much for this video.
I am no carpenter but I have done some trim work around the house. I always included the reveal because I saw that that is how everywhere else and I assumed that was the proper way to install trim. Now I know why. Thanks
You're welcome, Daniel! When in doubt, always best to imitate. Good job catching it.
remodeling an 1890's farm house with very few reveals and you are right about every defect 'stands out'. We will add in some of these ideas during the remodel of the old windows.
Thank you Ethan I think I need to watch it again to understand more carefully I’m a beginner so I love the way you explain things thanks for all you do
Thank you, Kathy! Have a look around your house, especially doors and windows. In 95% of cases you'll find them :)
@@TheHonestCarpenter I just looked at my front door that my favorite carpenter installed and what do you know I see a reveal LOL no wonder his work looks so beautiful he also built me a fireplace from scratch
@@kathyr.6825 Now I’m going to have to look around also my doors and windows. I had new ones installed a year ago.
I’m just a tree guy but do pay attention to detail , now I know what’s been bothering me for years. I started out as a apprentice carpenter in 1988 , but the work was slow in my area. Really enjoy your videos. Now I’m a ISA certified Arborist lol who knew.
Thanks for watching, hillbilly! I like watching the arborists work, takes a lot of guts and skill.
Been climbing and running my tree business 30 yrs. Redid a lot in my house and most of the trim, redid it with trees I took down, then cut on my sawmill, and planed them. Glad my carpenter best friend, revealed reveal to me!
I've seen reveals, but I didn't know that is what they are called. It does make things look better.
Great explanation of a topic not discussed for beginners. Thanks!
I love your videos man, I'm a young guy who starts doing carpentry and I'm getting so much information by just watching at your videos. Thanks man
5:10 Their true usefulness didn't even occur to me until an experienced carpenter like yourself shared your knowledge. Thank you.
This is around the 10th video about trim I've watched before I do a couple windows for the first time and it's the first one that has explained the reveal and why it's important later on. So many other videos go flush and just do it because it's easier. So glad I saw this my windows are going to look freaking awesome now! Thanks man!
This is a top example of "if you know you know"- Every house, public building, hotel room, etc. you will now notice the quality of this feature I call "The Quarter Inch". For better or worse.. Thanks for the great content!
What a great & honest carpenter you are.! Even better when you are willing to share all your professional experiences to others. I'd appreciated very much your behavior.
My home was built in 1954. I’m looking around as I watch you talking, there’s reveals everywhere! 😍 thank you for educating me.
You’re welcome, Cristina! 😄
I've never heard of reveals before, but as soon as you explained them they made perfect sense!
Would be great to have some of those future videos you mention, showing how/where/when to include them in work
After watching this video, I can't help but notice where these reveals are and aren't used. Great experience and information to share with us. Thank you!
Makes a lot of sense.The shadow creates the perfect line!
Thank you very much. I'm in the process of finishing a cottage. I love the idea. The carpenter who installed our doors & windows in our house reno in 2018 used reveals where possible. Great look.
Ive never thought about the reveal. But its worth thinking about.
As a homeowner DIY ... this is really useful for my future projects !
First lesson in carpentry “If you can’t conceal it, reveal it”
I thought it was, do your best and caulk the rest.
@@adamkendall997 both of these are great! Lol
I've always known it as; If you can't hide it, highlight it. Catch little sayings stick in the apprentices head. 😃
@@marcellusazariah9177 you're right about one thing, I don't give a damn.
Caulk and paint make it what it ain’t
Appreciate the simple and efficient explanations. I don’t see reveals in the older track homes I renovate. Laziness, I think. It’s an effective way to build layers of light into entries. Our eyes appreciate the journey.
This is my first time hearing about reveals. I am a total noob but you have sparked my interest. Thank you
As a DIYer, I have always wondered about this. super valuable informative lesson. Thanks for this!
Fantastic. I have used them but never knew these details. I have copied them in some of my houses but forgot them in others. I am building a house now and will ABSOLUTELY use your suggestions. AWESOME. THANKS
Reveals are new to me...like most of carpentry. Thanks for the lesson.
Wow, that is very eye opening. Thanks for sharing. I try to fix my house over the weekend and this little but very well described tips go a very long way. Much appreciated!
I love all of your videos, I have learned more from your videos than any other channel! Thank you!
That was beautiful! As a handy husband myself working on our fixer upper, I am really glad to have learned this trick! The combo square 90 degree marking was perfect too.
I’m an new DIYer this is my first time hearing of this. But it really makes a lot of sense after you explained the concept. Thanks again for great content :)
I found this video quite revealing. I'll show my myself out now. Good information.
Very interesting information, my house is older and has many of the reveals you are talking about, especially the door and window frames and other openings. I've always known whoever built it knew what they were doing.
I learn something every video from you! Keep up the excellent work!
Awesome! I sorta-kinda knew this (aaaand frequently forgot...), but this is as clear and sure an explanation as I've ever heard; really drives it home. I'd give it a dozen thumbs up if I could...
I’m glad you spoke about the depth of the reveal. Sometimes I stare at the trim and cannot decide. Recently I made a segmented arch using 6” poplar (1-1/8” thick) casing. The width of the casing coerced me to try a deeper reveal. Thank God I did. From a few feet away, the reveal looks perfect and seems to match the other shadow lines in the casing. I’m not an artist and far from a master carpenter, so It doesn’t come naturally to me. Some other trim I did in my house, I wish I had used deeper reveals or thicker materials to improve shadow lines. No one has noticed except me, lol.
This is the kind of info a hobbyist need. Thanks!
Nailed it! I had no idea! Thanks for making me take another look at how I install trim (diy-er).
I'm listening to this about 4 minutes in and started thinking about some of the amazing structures they created centuries ago with all the detail and curves, and just then, you started talking about the same thing! 😆 Thanks this was great
Excellent video 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 I try to educate my customers about this all the time.
Thank you for this excellent tip ! I'm going to have to do a lot of trim work in my house and this will make my work look a lot better..
Thanks for your reveal of reveals, a truly revealing technique.
Thanks! Great video. I've used reveals when remodeling but didn't know why!!!!
Very good information...I use this idea everyday... thanks for explaining it..😊👍
Great explainer video. This is a topic I have to explain to most of my clients as well as apprentices I hire. Going to just give them a link to your video now.
I'm glad it helps, Jennifer! Feel free to pass along to anybody who's curious :)
Thank you for this video! I really am enjoying your work!
Reveals expand your trim to help cover a little more of the bumps and cracks in the sheetrock too.
Educating. I have painted thousands of jams but never gave thought to the important issues you addressed. Thanks.
Another great video. It’s all in the details as you point out so well.
Old dog learned something new. Thank you!
Thank you. I know about what a reveal is, I just didn't realize how important they are and how they work on the eye.
40 years of owning a home and this is the first time I've heard of this, yet it was right in front of me the whole time. It all makes sense now, my eyes have been opened :)))
Thanks for REVEALING this tip!!
If been doing carpentry for over 50 years and you do an excellent job explaining it👍
I learned this years ago working with a carpenter. I asked why he set the trim back. "It's called a reveal"
I immediately saw the difference. I think of that and smile when I notice a reveal...everywhere!
I learned a lot from this video that I will definitely be using in the future. As a DIY-er, your videos have become a great learning experience.
Good video very informative for the amateur DIYer, thanks from London England 👍
Thank you, A! I love hearing from the UK--I lived in Glasgow for a year at one point. Spent a few fun days in London :)
@@TheHonestCarpenter Good stuff mate! And thanks for a great video! Just what I might need shortly as may need to replace all my door frames and possibly kitchen cupboards as a novice (like a challenge!) More fact the insurance have refused to pay for a flood and while I FULLY intend taking them to court I'm fed up living in and breathing in mould and potential asbestos dust last 8 months! (Good times!) Lol 😅🤦🏻 anyway your video will come in very hand mate if I do attempt it, so thanks again!
Eloquent peaple are just a joy to watch.
Great advice, just starting my journey at 52, a good stuff thanks
This is the first time I have heard of reveals. Thanks for the info. Looking forward to seeing a video on the actual step by step process of a real around doors, if you have time to do a video like that.
Thanks again.
Nailed it as always. I knew about reveals, now I understand them better.