Ray Cokeley was fired by Boeing after this incident and went on to Lockheed to become test pilot on the L1011.. thanks for this excellent movie! As always perfect!
Looks like the spelling of his name is actually Cokely. Here's an interesting story about an early L10-11 test flight commanded by Cokely/Cokeley: flytristar.tripod.com/article/art05.html
@Crazy Sven Not true what you are saying here. Jack Wadell said after the first flight of the 747 " It.s a pilots dream, ridiciously easy to fly." Ask 747 pilots.they all love the handling qualities of 747. Joe Sutter made it an excellent flying machine..There is a wonderful interview with Joe Sutter and Brian Wygle( co pilot on the first flight) here on UA-cam.
@@Kevin_747 Wow thanx for the reply! I.m not a pilot at all but ii have a big passion for the 747.Never had yhe chance to fly on one. So i can.t imagine how it is to fly it as a pilot.I.m jalous.How was the dash 100 in comparison to the dash 400? Was it underpowered and was the basic handling the same? Love the sound of the early JT9D.s.
At first I was startled that the pilot had so few hours in the 747. Then I realized he was probably one of the most experienced 747 pilots at the time.
Great video, and a reminder that these types of incidents truly save lives because you examine the hell out of them. That proud 747 looks gorgeous stripped of paint in bare metal. 26 years of service she gave.
Great to see the stories of machines having long years of service. It’s always sad when the storyteller says,”Oh, yeah. Then mercilessly ripped it apart.”
My wife's grandfather was a Captain on 747s (or as he called them "18 wheelers") for Pan-Am back in the day. He was on 707s then transitioned to 747s when they were brand new! He lived quite a life and had some awesome stories. Later raced Ferraris and had a gorgeous 1964 Rolls Royce Silver Spur and 1936 Bentley something or another, as well as a 1964 Ferrari that I never saw or got the exact model. My wife grew up playing climbing around and playing picnic in the back seat of a damn Rolls Royce...with their legendary Picnic tables deployed of course, hah! RIP Ed Schaffer.
Just goes to show, you can do everything right, but shit STILL happens. Also, props to Allec for stepping up and making a very improved aviation analysis video. We must always compare our accomplishments to what WE have done, not others, in order to know that we are improving. AJI is always improving... keep it up bro!
Sad when a proud machine reaches its end and is retired; all the memories, of places it has been, jobs it has done, and people who were transported by it; and the tens of thousands of man-hours used to create it. Long live 747 and Pan Am.
Excellent video. It's worth noting that the 747 was a totally new concept in airliners at the time. The manufacturer, airlines, pilots and airports all had a steep learning curve.
@@wilburfinnigan2142 I'll write slowly so you'll understand. My point was that not only was the 747 a new type, it was the first widebody, a whole new concept. Pro-tip: multiple exclamation points don't add gravity to your statement, it just makes you look juvenile.
Morgan Brown that’s no so hard for them they just keep the spot they want to land on at their aim point and keep it there and go super light. And there was a VASI I saw it on the video
The most recently retired chief test pilot of the 747 series is a friend of mine. He was actually fortunate to be assigned that role longer than any other 747 chief test pilot. Believe me, these guys still earn every cent of their pay today! They actually make quite a bit less than a senior 747 captain in the airlines but the job is a little bit more interesting which makes up for the pay differential.
By doing everything he could correctly it eliminated factors therefore uncovering the VASI issues without the tomb stones normally required to discover problems.
When landing any plane on a short runway, it's almost impossible to resist the temptation to plant it at the very end. The actual reality in this case is that touchdown anywhere prior to the mid-point would have resulted in a successful stop on the remaining runway. But you still really really want to give yourself all the room you possibly can..........
@@rrknl5187 thanks for the reply....i know about the smaller planes, not the larger, but im just agreeing with your comment on the temptation at the edge of the runway......have a great day
@Pan Am 001 The airline is gone but will never be forgotten, an iconic part of history and thanks to all those employees who contributed to that history.
@Trainspush Through It might not be the the most creative but it is the most memorable. EVERYONE, even people born after they went out of business recognize it.
@MsEzziera I don't buy the PC crap at all today. There's nothing wrong with that tradition in fact I think it was supposed to be a term of endearment, nothing nasty about that. So sad that women today have been trained by The Tribe to be so offended about everything.
Born in Renton, Wa.Did my first solo flight at Renton Airfield. 737 plant is next to airfield. Currently littered with 737max awaiting FAA recert’s. As someone has already commented, nobody in their right mind would land a 747 at this short field general aviation airfield. Also for reference, to fly from Boeing field to Renton airfield is all of about 5 minutes or less.
Jeez, maybe they should of had those boss guys take a cab then see if this ace could get there and land before them. He got fired over 20' short and few popped tires basically, on that short runway, going that fast, sitting up that high in a experimental plane?! WTH?
Thankful it didn’t deteriorate to disaster. We owe all test pilots a debt of gratitude. More than a few have died doing what they loved, so we passengers can expect safe flights. Pilots here, know that I will never take you for granted!
Do we really need such somber music where nobody was injured? Seeing the reference to Oscoda made my day. On two occasions, my wife and I spent several days in Oscoda (It's also a beach area). Seeing what seemed like hundreds of 747 aircraft sitting idle looked apocalyptic. Many of them were in Kalita Air livery. At the time, I had never heard of Kalita. Just recently, I saw many Kalita 747 aircraft in news coverage, transporting coronavirus victims.
The reason these pilots had so few hours in a 747 is that Boeing had just barely started delivering 747s to its customer airlines. It had nothing to do with poor choices or inexperienced pilots. These two were both test pilots or instructors. If you want to learn a TON about how this greatest airliner in history got made, read "747," by Joe Sutter, the chief engineer for the 747. It's an amazing read, and Joe is one heck of a personality. I miss engineers like him. Guys (and gals) who carried the airplane through design, engineering, testing, construction and delivery, through what sometimes feels like the sheer force of their very sizable wills. These guys had what today we call "big personalities," but what we used to call a "pain in the ass control freak!" :D
That same month, a 737 pilot for Avianca Airlines in Colombia did the exact same thing landing at Santa Marta. In that incident, the plane hit a ditch that was running across the end of the runway, ripping off the left main landing gear. The plane skidded down the runway on its engine until that fell off as well. No one on board realized anything was wrong until the engine fell off. Remarkably, when the wing hit the ground, it pinched the fuel line closed, preventing a possible catastrophe. In talking with one of the repairmen sent down from Boeing to fix it, he mentioned how a test pilot for the 747 had done the same thing not too long previously. When I saw this video come up in my feed, I wondered if it was that same incident.
I thought that for the damage suffered, the repair went incredibly fast to deliver the following July. Probably didn't hurt to have the Boeing 747 assembly plant a few miles away. I visited that building in Sept. 1970, fifty acres under one roof -- wow!
The flight deck heights above the landing gear sometimes frustrated both Lockheed C-5 and Boeing 747 flight crews in the early years of both aircraft. The height usually provided excellent views of airport taxiway and runway paths during taxi to the runway, takeoff, and taxi from runways after landing. Landings were a different story. Based only on visual observations of the runway, runway lights, and runway markings the pilots would be falsely confident that the aircraft was at the flare altitude above the runway when in reality it was either too high or too low. Those pilots were quite successful in the Lockheed C-141 or Boeing 707, but the transition to the C-5 or B747 proved somewhat problematic during visual landings due to the height of the flight deck above the runaway. Pan American Airlines would have been both happy and sad with the situation. Happy that the contributing factors were identified, but sad it was one of their aircraft that suffered from the CFIT type incident. " Why couldn't it have been one of arrogant TWA's 747s instead of one of our 747s? They can afford a delivery delay, we cannot. "
@@watershed44 ThisDayinAviation.com shows Cokeley working as a Lockheed test pilot in California in November 1970, describing him as a former Boeing 747 test pilot.
I live down the street from that runway in Renton and that is mind blowing because, even without knowing anything about aviation, it looks like a very short runway.
@Pretty's Mommy Indeed these are some of the most interesting because back then the pilots really did have to "just fly the plane". Skill really was critical back then.
Is the Dreamlifter actually in service? I do not recall hearing anything about it! The only aircraft I know of with a name close to it, is the 787 Dreamliner!
In those days when a 747 took off from Boeing Field, traffic would pull to the side of the road on Interstate 5 just to watch. I was there. I remember.
@@watershed44 Oh, yeah, and the State Patrol was NOT happy. It wasn't exactly a smart thing to do, but Boeing Field is right off the freeway and that plane was so very huge. Today, no big deal, but back then it was awesome.
@@watershed44 Oh, yeah, and the State Patrol was NOT happy. It wasn't exactly a smart thing to do, but Boeing Field is right off the freeway and that plane was so very huge. Today, no big deal, but back then it was awesome.
I have flown into and out of Boeing field many times; I saw the Concorde land there, walked on top of the fuselage of a C5-A. One day driving down I-5, I had my aviation radio on and a lear jet was cleared for takeoff to the south and requested an unlimited climb out. Did not see his actual takeoff, but when I could see him he climbed from eye-level to the cloud deck at 10,000 feet at about a 40 degree angle: spectacular!
A little fact about this particular 747, RA003 CA 19638. At the end of the video it's mentioned that it was transferred to Evergreen International after being converted into a freighter, but during it's stint as N475EV, on a flight from Newark to Tokyo, it experienced an in-flight upset and a rapid descent that propelled the plane to more than Mach 1 (according to Boeing) making it the first and only 747 to ever go supersonic and survive.
My first solo in a Cessna 172 was from UAO (Aurora Oregon) to RNT..........I used nearly every foot of that runway as I was ballooning all over the place. Hard to imagine a 747 landing there.
I knew Cliff Cummings during the 70 s....I worked refueling at Grant Co. airport, & got to know most of the Boeing flight people doing flight test & crew training
I love FS2004, I found a copy at goodwill for 5$, and it includes all of the CDs and is fully functional, I also found a fully boxed Logitech joystick for 5$ as well.
No matter how many aircraft may come after it, the Boeing 747 will ALWAYS be the most graceful and beautiful aircraft ever built. Airbus has nothing to compare to it.
VASI: visual approach slope indicator Runway threshold lights, a predecessor to PAPI. They are in 2 sets, appearing white/red if a/c is on glidepath; white/white if too high; red/red if too low.
This kind of reminded of that old film “Airport 76” (I think). As they’re landing, they’re running out of runway so they turn around at the end and come back the other way. Having a pilot’s license at the time, this always cracked me up.
Gary Janssen I’m not being a contrarian, but what did you expect to happen to it? It’s a worn out machine and takes ups ridiculous amount of space. Of course it’s eventually scrapped, after a very long life at that.
Were the crew reprimanded for the incident? Seems more like something that would've happened eventually, but could have been much worse and to an aircraft filled with 480 passengers instead of 8.
Pickles There is no reason on gawds green earth for a 747 to fly into that airport !!! There is no terminal, it is a former seaplane base with ramp down to the lake. it is the site of Boeings Renton final assembly plant for now the 737 !!!! That is the ONLY 747 to have ever attempted a landing there !!!!
Seriously doubt any airline would send a fully loaded jumbo jet to a small airport like Renton Also wouldnt have a crew that inexperienced in the aircraft type.
Pickles Hey dumb ass !!! This was a flight into the Renton factory to remove test equipment and to install the interior !!!! There are NO commercial flights in or out of Renton !!!!! DUUUUUHHHH!!!!!! It serves the runway for the 737 plant and some general aviation !!!!!! DUUUUHHH!!!!! NO reason to fly a loaded passenger plane in there !!!! DUUUUUHH!!!!
I do not mean a LITERAL FLIGHT to Renton. I am just referring to the general rule of aviation incidents "every accident makes future flights safer" and that such an incident could've involved more lives. The fact that they introduced a manufacturing change and the fact that this was very, very early in the 747's production were evidence that pilots could've made the same mistake when flying commercially.
@@pickles3128 Hey dumb ass !!! The 747 had no real reason to land at renton except to retro fit the interior of a test aircraft to a full on passenger interior. WHY Renton was chosen is a good question because it could/should have been done either at Everett Paine field, home of the Boeing widebody , 747 plant, or the Boeing field factory location !!!!
Everyone should watch the story of Joe Sutter and the building of the 747 it is an amazingly feat under the time constraints he was given by Juan Tripp the president and CEO of Pan Am airlines
Juan Trippe was a notorious cheapskate of an airline CEO. He knew darn well that the 10 across seating in steerage class on a B747 resulted in uncomfortably narrow seating. How is that? Because it was almost exactly the same lousy seating in second class in his B707s. If the economy/coach/steerage class passengers of today want to blame somebody for today's ridiculously narrow seats it should be Juan Triple of Pan American Airlines. He set the standard for mistreatment of passengers as far as seat width was concerned.
David Hoffman My Post was about the amazing work of Joe Sutter and his amazing team and what they had to work with in those days, they have nothing to do with the seating configurations of Pan Am or any other airline.
@@LyndaWhite-ju1gj , Oh yes, Mr. Sutter and Boeing did an amazing job getting the B747 operational, but Juan Trippe's demands on Boeing, Douglas, and Lockheed aircraft companies are infamous.
I'm sure every plane has its peculiarities, and this situation demonstrates the amount of careful practice and observation that is required before a new aircraft is put into general service. Here we had a plane full of experts and preparation far above the standards, and it still didn't land exactly as planned!
Ah, 1969! That year Seattle's Jimi Hendrix was one of the top headliners at the Woodstock Music Festival which was held in NY four months prior to the above events. About a decade or so ago another attempt was made to relocate an asset from Seattle to Renton. If homes can be compared to commercial jets like the 747, then Jimi lived in a Cessna, although others say it was more like a gyrocopter. Anyway they tried to move this forsaken shell of a home from Seattle to a Renton mobile park near his grave in Renton. It failed short of the runway too. But then again, I understand it was already dead on arrival. I heard there was talk that some of the wood from Jimi's old home would now be sold to make a commemorative guitar. Anyway, just another high flyin move from Seattle to Renton!
Amazing...I actually worked on this plane as a Loadmaster with Evergreen based at JFK. We used on runs out of JFK - CDG - ORD - YUL. Fuel stops in SNN - YQX. Many other locations as well
My favorite airplane and airline , the best looking plane and livery ! It's a really short flight , Boeing field to Renton on a good day is a 16 minute drive !
20 feet! Going that fast and sitting so high up, someone said he got fired for this, over a few flat tires and a plane noone knew how to fly yet?! WTH?
We have an airplane "boneyard" in Tucson. Davis-Monthan Air base has all the old military planes stashed there. All the pieces are disassembled and if possible, refurbished and reused. What happens to commercial aircraft when they are taken out of use? Are parts of them ever re-used?
@MrCloudseeker An airman who worked in the boneyard went to our church and when he retired he requested civie duty at the boneyard. He loved poking around those old planes. We also have the Air and Space Museum. Hope you got to see that.
Allec, please do a video on the Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 that crashed in the Andes Mountains in 1972. The story was made into the movie "Alive" back in the early 90's. It's another "pilot error" incident, but the plane was a Fairchild FH-227D. It was notoriously under-powered and had a poor safety record. Would love to see your rendition of flight, crash and your analysis. Thanks for the great videos!
I guess I am just too sentimental. I was sorry to see that this great plane, with it's history, was torn apart and scrapped. I know there's money in doing so, but it's still sad. Some great US Navy ships of WW II were also scrapped. I had thought that Boeing would have some sort of huge building to put its great planes in for the sake of history.
Is it just me, or after making sure that all people on board are okay, I like to see the service record from Pan Am onwards. "Clipper Ocean Telegraph" served well.
Repairs probably included two new seats for the Captain and, First officer! I would think the seat cushions holes would be too big to repair, from the pucker factor!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At ATL on Delta Lockheed TriStar in Dec 78, Capt alit at foote of only runway open, everything out for drag & full brakes. Capt kiddie cornered 1st cutoff to crash out in grass but TriStar no want die grabbed cutoff, Capt kiddie cornered turn onto taxiway & full brakes all way across AMR apron until slid to stop at open AMR gate. They were glad to see us sending 4 potable H20 trucks to put out tire fires as Error No Rescue out of position. We had run outta gas E. of Marietta in a terrible thunderstorm when Capt ID'd us to ATC as a Delta Glider Flight, kicked his RAT out for elec, and glided for it. Flight had originated in West Palm Beach, w/stop at Tampa, then Atlanta, then to Detroit circling forever w/liner just ahead crushing gear as slid sideways & Capt pulled up missing tail by 20-30'. DTW closed so flew to O'Hare and circled forever until airport closed, so flew to Cleveland circled forever until closed, so flew to Philly and circled until closed. Capt headed SSW and slowed while announcing ordered to divert to JFK, but had made an executive decision for us to fly best economy speed to ATL Delta's Hub...I know they'll let us land there. So the last leg of our flight actually was ATL to ATL. Capt was ex-USAF fighter pilot so knew BS when he'd seen it, and he'd seen it as all this had happened due to a terrible ice storm. He had chosen to crash us out in the grass as there wouldn't be a very big fire as had already burned up everything flammable, and to clear their only runway open immediately, due to a dozen stacks of liners circling above us all in trouble and wanting to land real real bad. Tri-Star wanting to live had been a surprise to him, but pulling into AMR Gate was a no-no as Delta sent VP w/FAA Ofcl pushing by the Front Seats of every liner waiting in ramp to congratulate our Pilots on great landing. VP ordered Capt to order us off liner, Capt refused, VP fired Capt, Capt just grinned at VP reminding him he was PIC. FAA Ofcl mentioned Capt was right asPIC had complete command of everything regarding the flight until he left the plane. A very senior AMR Capt said "Don't worry Capt....you can fly for AMR every day of the week and twice on Sunday...just mention my name!". VP intimidated, conferred w/FAA Ofcl, then announced, AMR will provide meals, AMR Stewardesses could return, and Capt & Flight crew appear to FAA office in tower 9 AM tomorrow. Capt declined as VP had forgotten restore our AMR ground power disconnected to drive us off, complete liquor resupply, and complete breakfast service as well. VP said that was agreed so Capt concurred, VP & FAA Ofcl wanted to leave, but AMR Pilots prevented their egress standing in doorway frightening both, until VP turned around and said "That was one hell of a great landing Captain"! They escaped, and we partied all night!! So you see, landing short can be a good thing too, and as the Capt said, "Now we know how far a Tri-Star can fly on one tank of gas"!!!!
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Can you imagine going to a party and being asked, " what do you do for a living?" Oh, I'm a senior experimental test pilot for Boeing. How do you follow that??????
Ray Cokeley was fired by Boeing after this incident and went on to Lockheed to become test pilot on the L1011.. thanks for this excellent movie! As always perfect!
Looks like the spelling of his name is actually Cokely. Here's an interesting story about an early L10-11 test flight commanded by Cokely/Cokeley: flytristar.tripod.com/article/art05.html
@Crazy Sven
Yes, seems unjustified really.
@Crazy Sven Not true what you are saying here. Jack Wadell said after the first flight of the 747 " It.s a pilots dream, ridiciously easy to fly." Ask 747 pilots.they all love the handling qualities of 747. Joe Sutter made it an excellent flying machine..There is a wonderful interview with Joe Sutter and Brian Wygle( co pilot on the first flight) here on UA-cam.
@@miquel440 Yep, I flew 747-100s, 200s and retired off the 747-400. 19 years of 747 flying. Loved flying them all.
@@Kevin_747 Wow thanx for the reply! I.m not a pilot at all but ii have a big passion for the 747.Never had yhe chance to fly on one. So i can.t imagine how it is to fly it as a pilot.I.m jalous.How was the dash 100 in comparison to the dash 400? Was it underpowered and was the basic handling the same? Love the sound of the early JT9D.s.
At first I was startled that the pilot had so few hours in the 747. Then I realized he was probably one of the most experienced 747 pilots at the time.
Great video, and a reminder that these types of incidents truly save lives because you examine the hell out of them. That proud 747 looks gorgeous stripped of paint in bare metal. 26 years of service she gave.
She looked like a sad ghost to me
I also thought it looked beautiful when it was stripped of paint. This was indeed a great video.
Queen of the Skies
Great to see the stories of machines having long years of service. It’s always sad when the storyteller says,”Oh, yeah. Then mercilessly ripped it apart.”
@@jackkitchen737stripped of paint ? Or before it was painted brand new
My wife's grandfather was a Captain on 747s (or as he called them "18 wheelers") for Pan-Am back in the day. He was on 707s then transitioned to 747s when they were brand new! He lived quite a life and had some awesome stories. Later raced Ferraris and had a gorgeous 1964 Rolls Royce Silver Spur and 1936 Bentley something or another, as well as a 1964 Ferrari that I never saw or got the exact model. My wife grew up playing climbing around and playing picnic in the back seat of a damn Rolls Royce...with their legendary Picnic tables deployed of course, hah!
RIP Ed Schaffer.
Just goes to show, you can do everything right, but shit STILL happens.
Also, props to Allec for stepping up and making a very improved aviation analysis video. We must always compare our accomplishments to what WE have done, not others, in order to know that we are improving. AJI is always improving... keep it up bro!
As a former Pan Am purser who flew this majestic aircraft from 1973 to 1984, thank you Boeing for the quality assurance 👍
Antonio Gooding How cool! I bet you have some great memories and awesome stories!
have you flown a 737 MAX????!!!!!
Not the same company today. Now they kill people for profit. You'd have to be crazy to fly in a Boeing today.
@@MrPig40 Other Boeings : 767s, 777s, 787s and of course 747-800s are not that bad though.
@@julosx
How quickly you forget about the 787 lithium ion batteries catching fire. Same story then....
Sad when a proud machine reaches its end and is retired; all the memories, of places it has been, jobs it has done, and people who were transported by it; and the tens of thousands of man-hours used to create it. Long live 747 and Pan Am.
Excellent video. It's worth noting that the 747 was a totally new concept in airliners at the time. The manufacturer, airlines, pilots and airports all had a steep learning curve.
morskojvolk that was the 4th 747 built !!! DUUUHH!!!!
WIlbur Finnigan - Wow. That make you feel better about yourself?
@@morskojvolk FACTS man Just the facts !!! You too would have know that had you listened and heard what was said on the video !!!! DUUUUHH!!!!!!
@@wilburfinnigan2142 I'll write slowly so you'll understand. My point was that not only was the 747 a new type, it was the first widebody, a whole new concept. Pro-tip: multiple exclamation points don't add gravity to your statement, it just makes you look juvenile.
What a sad little man you are.
Holy smoke, landing a 747 on a 5400 ft runway without a VASI!? Test pilots had to earn their pay in those days.
Complex
Morgan Brown that’s no so hard for them they just keep the spot they want to land on at their aim point and keep it there and go super light. And there was a VASI I saw it on the video
The most recently retired chief test pilot of the 747 series is a friend of mine. He was actually fortunate to be assigned that role longer than any other 747 chief test pilot. Believe me, these guys still earn every cent of their pay today! They actually make quite a bit less than a senior 747 captain in the airlines but the job is a little bit more interesting which makes up for the pay differential.
@@n6mz Seems like a dream job, frankly, for every kid who dreams of flying for a living!
meaning....its safer now...?
I feel so sorry for this pilot, he really tried to do everything correct.
By doing everything he could correctly it eliminated factors therefore uncovering the VASI issues without the tomb stones normally required to discover problems.
Test pilot means he typically is wandering around in uncharted territory with unproven equipment. Should have been rewarded.
This uncovered problems that were corrected before lives were lost.
When landing any plane on a short runway, it's almost impossible to resist the temptation to plant it at the very end.
The actual reality in this case is that touchdown anywhere prior to the mid-point would have resulted in a successful stop on the remaining runway. But you still really really want to give yourself all the room you possibly can..........
@RR KNL
I always follow your posts, they are always some of the best and most informative in a way that the layman can comprehend it. Thanks.
@@watershed44 Thanks!
That's really nice to hear.
squeak the numbers!
@@jayallan7885 That's easy to do in a small plane, a bit more difficult in a big one.......
@@rrknl5187 thanks for the reply....i know about the smaller planes, not the larger, but im just agreeing with your comment on the temptation at the edge of the runway......have a great day
747 with pan am livery has to be one of the great artworks of the 20th century.
Thank you for your responses!
Yes, it is!
@Pan Am 001
The airline is gone but will never be forgotten, an iconic part of history and thanks to all those employees who contributed to that history.
@Trainspush Through
It might not be the the most creative but it is the most memorable.
EVERYONE, even people born after they went out of business recognize it.
I flew to London and back twice on Pan Am. Great flight, great people.
It's always sad to see when they end up being scrapped.😢
Better to be scrapped than to be crashed, though.
I feel the same way. Inanimate objects, but it still seems like they are being discarded after being ridden hard.
@Michael Erb
They don't call planes, and ships "she" or "her" for nothing.
@@watershed44 too funny 😂
@MsEzziera
I don't buy the PC crap at all today. There's nothing wrong with that tradition in fact I think it was supposed to be a term of endearment, nothing nasty about that. So sad that women today have been trained by The Tribe to be so offended about everything.
I live in Renton (where 737's are made BTW) and sometimes I park in the viewing area. Can't imagine trying to land a 747 there, wow !
Born in Renton, Wa.Did my first solo flight at Renton Airfield. 737 plant is next to airfield. Currently littered with 737max awaiting FAA recert’s. As someone has already commented, nobody in their right mind would land a 747 at this short field general aviation airfield. Also for reference, to fly from Boeing field to Renton airfield is all of about 5 minutes or less.
Jeez, maybe they should of had those boss guys take a cab then see if this ace could get there and land before them. He got fired over 20' short and few popped tires basically, on that short runway, going that fast, sitting up that high in a experimental plane?! WTH?
Thankful it didn’t deteriorate to disaster. We owe all test pilots a debt of gratitude. More than a few have died doing what they loved, so we passengers can expect safe flights. Pilots here, know that I will never take you for granted!
Especially given the first 747s like this one (the 747-100 and -200 series) weren't very safe, when compared to the -400 series.
Do we really need such somber music where nobody was injured?
Seeing the reference to Oscoda made my day.
On two occasions, my wife and I spent several days in Oscoda (It's also a beach area).
Seeing what seemed like hundreds of 747 aircraft sitting idle looked apocalyptic. Many of them were in Kalita Air livery. At the time, I had never heard of Kalita.
Just recently, I saw many Kalita 747 aircraft in news coverage, transporting coronavirus victims.
The reason these pilots had so few hours in a 747 is that Boeing had just barely started delivering 747s to its customer airlines. It had nothing to do with poor choices or inexperienced pilots. These two were both test pilots or instructors.
If you want to learn a TON about how this greatest airliner in history got made, read "747," by Joe Sutter, the chief engineer for the 747. It's an amazing read, and Joe is one heck of a personality. I miss engineers like him. Guys (and gals) who carried the airplane through design, engineering, testing, construction and delivery, through what sometimes feels like the sheer force of their very sizable wills.
These guys had what today we call "big personalities," but what we used to call a "pain in the ass control freak!" :D
That was the golden age of widebody aircrafts and of Pan American World Airways.
That same month, a 737 pilot for Avianca Airlines in Colombia did the exact same thing landing at Santa Marta. In that incident, the plane hit a ditch that was running across the end of the runway, ripping off the left main landing gear. The plane skidded down the runway on its engine until that fell off as well. No one on board realized anything was wrong until the engine fell off. Remarkably, when the wing hit the ground, it pinched the fuel line closed, preventing a possible catastrophe.
In talking with one of the repairmen sent down from Boeing to fix it, he mentioned how a test pilot for the 747 had done the same thing not too long previously. When I saw this video come up in my feed, I wondered if it was that same incident.
Wow. I never knew about this crash! Thanks for sharing Allec :D
Didn't even look like a crash, more like a few flat tires?
Imagine when Juan Trippe saw the photo his new airliner listing to the side he probably went bananas.
I hope PanAm got a discount on that “scratch-and-dent” model!
Pan Am: "The plane we ordered is delayed?" Boeing: "We are including candies, some flowers, and a new paint job.." hmmm
I thought that for the damage suffered, the repair went incredibly fast to deliver the following July. Probably didn't hurt to have the Boeing 747 assembly plant a few miles away. I visited that building in Sept. 1970, fifty acres under one roof -- wow!
Bet Pan Am was all like “Hey guys - thanks for the shakedown flight! Brilliant!”
The flight deck heights above the landing gear sometimes frustrated both Lockheed C-5 and Boeing 747 flight crews in the early years of both aircraft. The height usually provided excellent views of airport taxiway and runway paths during taxi to the runway, takeoff, and taxi from runways after landing. Landings were a different story. Based only on visual observations of the runway, runway lights, and runway markings the pilots would be falsely confident that the aircraft was at the flare altitude above the runway when in reality it was either too high or too low. Those pilots were quite successful in the Lockheed C-141 or Boeing 707, but the transition to the C-5 or B747 proved somewhat problematic during visual landings due to the height of the flight deck above the runaway.
Pan American Airlines would have been both happy and sad with the situation. Happy that the contributing factors were identified, but sad it was one of their aircraft that suffered from the CFIT type incident. " Why couldn't it have been one of arrogant TWA's 747s instead of one of our 747s? They can afford a delivery delay, we cannot. "
The pilot was fired by boeing after this happened.
@Barney Rubble
Can you post a reliable reference? Thanks.
@@watershed44 ThisDayinAviation.com shows Cokeley working as a Lockheed test pilot in California in November 1970, describing him as a former Boeing 747 test pilot.
Nice brought back a flood of memories. Got my private at that field. Boeing had a flying club for employees and family. It was such a great perk.
She had a pretty long and useful life afterwards...
Congratulations on a job well done. Rest In Peace
Broke the sound barrier too
This is why we test.
The DC-3 and 747 are the two best commercial aircraft ever built.
Does anyone else get an emotional attachment to these planes?
Getting them safely on the ground is a delicate science. An excellent video Allec, well done!
Greetings from South Africa 👋🇿🇦
I live down the street from that runway in Renton and that is mind blowing because, even without knowing anything about aviation, it looks like a very short runway.
I discovered your videos yesterday. Now I'm not getting anything done! I'm addicted!
This is mostly unheard of, great video. 😀🛫🛫🛫🛫🛫🛬🛬🛬🛬
rip
Love these older ones Allec, keep it up💫👍🏻
@Pretty's Mommy
Indeed these are some of the most interesting because back then the pilots really did have to "just fly the plane". Skill really was critical back then.
Theres also the incident of the Dreamlifter landing at an airport for general aviation...
Do tell!
@@nzk86384 i remember that! Happened in Wichita Ks, down the road from where i lived.
@@dragonbrownies517 cool!
Is the Dreamlifter actually in service? I do not recall hearing anything about it! The only aircraft I know of with a name close to it, is the 787 Dreamliner!
@@brianmcdonald6519 it is...and the first two have been in service since 2007.
This pilot went above and beyond. Imagine if he didn’t and what would have happened.
The saddest part of the story was having such a beautiful aircraft scrapped. 😭
Agree ! Especially the Queen of the Skies .
over 30 years later, sure
In those days when a 747 took off from Boeing Field, traffic would pull to the side of the road on Interstate 5 just to watch. I was there. I remember.
@Michael Schuyler
Did other people do the same?! It must have been quite a spectacle at the time!
@@watershed44 Oh, yeah, and the State Patrol was NOT happy. It wasn't exactly a smart thing to do, but Boeing Field is right off the freeway and that plane was so very huge. Today, no big deal, but back then it was awesome.
@@watershed44 Oh, yeah, and the State Patrol was NOT happy. It wasn't exactly a smart thing to do, but Boeing Field is right off the freeway and that plane was so very huge. Today, no big deal, but back then it was awesome.
I have flown into and out of Boeing field many times; I saw the Concorde land there, walked on top of the fuselage of a C5-A. One day driving down I-5, I had my aviation radio on and a lear jet was cleared for takeoff to the south and requested an unlimited climb out. Did not see his actual takeoff, but when I could see him he climbed from eye-level to the cloud deck at 10,000 feet at about a 40 degree angle: spectacular!
Now you dont need a 747 you stop traffic on that stretch of I5 The traffic so heavy cars spend half their time just sitting there anyway
A little fact about this particular 747, RA003 CA 19638. At the end of the video it's mentioned that it was transferred to Evergreen International after being converted into a freighter, but during it's stint as N475EV, on a flight from Newark to Tokyo, it experienced an in-flight upset and a rapid descent that propelled the plane to more than Mach 1 (according to Boeing) making it the first and only 747 to ever go supersonic and survive.
My first solo in a Cessna 172 was from UAO (Aurora Oregon) to RNT..........I used nearly every foot of that runway as I was ballooning all over the place. Hard to imagine a 747 landing there.
I can see you put a lot of time and effort into your videos. Well done!! RIP Pan Am
FANTASY: I would love to have Pan Am back in service with 150 747-8i's. REALITY: Never gonna happen. Oh well , one can dream eh?
I knew Cliff Cummings during the 70 s....I worked refueling at Grant Co. airport, & got to know most of the Boeing flight people doing flight test & crew training
The text says the aircraft was N732PA but the model in the video has a registry of N736PA, best visible at 4:03
I love FS2004, I found a copy at goodwill for 5$, and it includes all of the CDs and is fully functional, I also found a fully boxed Logitech joystick for 5$ as well.
No matter how many aircraft may come after it, the Boeing 747 will ALWAYS be the most graceful and beautiful aircraft ever built. Airbus has nothing to compare to it.
Great video, well paced and edited. I was so engrossed in watching this that I failed to pay attention to my hash browns burning on the stove.
Damn! Rip to those tasty hashbrowns, hope there was enough sausage and gravy to make up for the loss
Nice vid, Allec. And everyone survived :) Plane even got fixed. Talk about serious field testing...
Oscoda-Wurtsmith Airport in Michigan used to be a Strategic Air Command base for the USAF.Lots of B-52's flying out of there.
HISTORY - ALLEC, well done, the history of the plane, from the beginning to the end, you did all that research. YOU ROCK SIR
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Allec Joshua ibay you never fail to wow me I read this incident and everything you said was spot on.......keep stepping up for greatness
Your videos are one of the very best things to watch on UA-cam - you always make my day! 😃👍
VASI: visual approach slope indicator
Runway threshold lights, a predecessor to PAPI. They are in 2 sets, appearing white/red if a/c is on glidepath; white/white if too high; red/red if too low.
As a kid I got to live very close to SeaTac in the mid to late 60’s. It was AWESOME seeing those beautiful flying machines!
This kind of reminded of that old film “Airport 76” (I think). As they’re landing, they’re running out of runway so they turn around at the end and come back the other way. Having a pilot’s license at the time, this always cracked me up.
I’m happy everyone survived
Yesss finally you covered US and our favourite plane!
Really miss Pan Am !
Did the 747-100 have radar altimeter callouts back then?
Or did they land old school?
Most 747s are now used as freight planes with such firms as Cargolux, Atlas Air and UPS.
Pan am gives me soooo much nostalgia and I’m 14.....
After all that this plane went on, they dumped it! thx for the vid, would have never known this little bit of history.
Gary Janssen I’m not being a contrarian, but what did you expect to happen to it? It’s a worn out machine and takes ups ridiculous amount of space. Of course it’s eventually scrapped, after a very long life at that.
@@HEDGE1011 everything wears out. even us.
Were the crew reprimanded for the incident? Seems more like something that would've happened eventually, but could have been much worse and to an aircraft filled with 480 passengers instead of 8.
Pickles There is no reason on gawds green earth for a 747 to fly into that airport !!! There is no terminal, it is a former seaplane base with ramp down to the lake. it is the site of Boeings Renton final assembly plant for now the 737 !!!! That is the ONLY 747 to have ever attempted a landing there !!!!
Seriously doubt any airline would send a fully loaded jumbo jet to a small airport like Renton
Also wouldnt have a crew that inexperienced in the aircraft type.
Pickles Hey dumb ass !!! This was a flight into the Renton factory to remove test equipment and to install the interior !!!! There are NO commercial flights in or out of Renton !!!!! DUUUUUHHHH!!!!!! It serves the runway for the 737 plant and some general aviation !!!!!! DUUUUHHH!!!!! NO reason to fly a loaded passenger plane in there !!!! DUUUUUHH!!!!
I do not mean a LITERAL FLIGHT to Renton. I am just referring to the general rule of aviation incidents "every accident makes future flights safer" and that such an incident could've involved more lives. The fact that they introduced a manufacturing change and the fact that this was very, very early in the 747's production were evidence that pilots could've made the same mistake when flying commercially.
@@pickles3128 Hey dumb ass !!! The 747 had no real reason to land at renton except to retro fit the interior of a test aircraft to a full on passenger interior. WHY Renton was chosen is a good question because it could/should have been done either at Everett Paine field, home of the Boeing widebody , 747 plant, or the Boeing field factory location !!!!
Everyone should watch the story of Joe Sutter and the building of the 747 it is an amazingly feat under the time constraints he was given by Juan Tripp the president and CEO of Pan Am airlines
Juan Trippe was a notorious cheapskate of an airline CEO. He knew darn well that the 10 across seating in steerage class on a B747 resulted in uncomfortably narrow seating. How is that? Because it was almost exactly the same lousy seating in second class in his B707s. If the economy/coach/steerage class passengers of today want to blame somebody for today's ridiculously narrow seats it should be Juan Triple of Pan American Airlines. He set the standard for mistreatment of passengers as far as seat width was concerned.
David Hoffman My Post was about the amazing work of Joe Sutter and his amazing team and what they had to work with in those days, they have nothing to do with the seating configurations of Pan Am or any other airline.
@@LyndaWhite-ju1gj ,
Oh yes, Mr. Sutter and Boeing did an amazing job getting the B747 operational, but Juan Trippe's demands on Boeing, Douglas, and Lockheed aircraft companies are infamous.
David Hoffman I know all about it I used to work for another beloved figure in the Airline Industry, Mr Frank Lorenzo.
@Lynda White
You uttered the unmentionable name! Hahaha. I thought he was never to be named again in aviation history. Lorenzo was evil.
What was the boom sound at touchdown?
N732PA was delivered as Clipper Storm King and years later renamed Clipper Ocean Telegraph.
RIP to the passengers and crew. May their souls rest in peace, amen.....
Billie Bob Norton III Not sure if you’re trolling or you didn’t watched it or you simply dumb as fuck...
No fatals on this flight.
It's painful to see these beautiful machines scrapped.
Great Video Allec!👍👍
I'm sure every plane has its peculiarities, and this situation demonstrates the amount of careful practice and observation that is required before a new aircraft is put into general service. Here we had a plane full of experts and preparation far above the standards, and it still didn't land exactly as planned!
Ah, 1969! That year Seattle's Jimi Hendrix was one of the top headliners at the Woodstock Music Festival which was held in NY four months prior to the above events. About a decade or so ago another attempt was made to relocate an asset from Seattle to Renton. If homes can be compared to commercial jets like the 747, then Jimi lived in a Cessna, although others say it was more like a gyrocopter. Anyway they tried to move this forsaken shell of a home from Seattle to a Renton mobile park near his grave in Renton. It failed short of the runway too. But then again, I understand it was already dead on arrival. I heard there was talk that some of the wood from Jimi's old home would now be sold to make a commemorative guitar. Anyway, just another high flyin move from Seattle to Renton!
Really well done videos.
Such a pretty plane
Amazing...I actually worked on this plane as a Loadmaster with Evergreen based at JFK. We used on runs out of JFK - CDG - ORD - YUL. Fuel stops in SNN - YQX. Many other locations as well
@Ed Whiteaker
Did you ever catch a glimpse of the repair work that was done as you were inside the craft? Curious if you could notice any of it!
Years ago I overhauled APU's for Evergreen (Marana Az) & so many others. Worked for Tiernay, Dynair & Aerotec.
Fun stuff!😊
My favorite airplane and airline , the best looking plane and livery ! It's a really short flight , Boeing field to Renton on a good day is a 16 minute drive !
I just love seeing videos with my local airport
thank you so much for your time to make thies
Great videos. Keep em up! Oh and First !!!
What’s so special about being first
@@zackthegoat1464 ,
Something to brag about when you have nothing else to brag about?
Piss off 10 year old
amazing video
Just a smidge short. New aircraft still writing the book on it just a small hiccup in the test phase.
20 feet! Going that fast and sitting so high up, someone said he got fired for this, over a few flat tires and a plane noone knew how to fly yet?! WTH?
WOW, They loaded the cockpit up with a bunch of low 747 time pilots and flight engineer. And 8 engineers got onboard! Thats even more amazing.
Dennis Conrad There were no high time 747 pilots then.
HEDGE1011 You have a point. I didn’t really think about that.
10:55 Who's cutting onions? SOMEBODY'S CUTTING ONIONS!!!!........ok, now i'm bawling.
Me too. I can't believe Allec finds all these pictures of the plane right to its last days.
We have an airplane "boneyard" in Tucson. Davis-Monthan Air base has all the old military planes stashed there. All the pieces are disassembled and if possible, refurbished and reused. What happens to commercial aircraft when they are taken out of use? Are parts of them ever re-used?
Mostly of them are reused so long as this model is in use.
@MrCloudseeker An airman who worked in the boneyard went to our church and when he retired he requested civie duty at the boneyard. He loved poking around those old planes. We also have the Air and Space Museum. Hope you got to see that.
Allec, please do a video on the Uruguayan Air Force Flight 571 that crashed in the Andes Mountains in 1972. The story was made into the movie "Alive" back in the early 90's. It's another "pilot error" incident, but the plane was a Fairchild FH-227D. It was notoriously under-powered and had a poor safety record. Would love to see your rendition of flight, crash and your analysis. Thanks for the great videos!
I guess I am just too sentimental. I was sorry to see that this great plane, with it's history, was torn apart and scrapped. I know there's money in doing so, but it's still sad. Some great US Navy ships of WW II were also scrapped. I had thought that Boeing would have some sort of huge building to put its great planes in for the sake of history.
Is it just me, or after making sure that all people on board are okay, I like to see the service record from Pan Am onwards. "Clipper Ocean Telegraph" served well.
It was a pretty weird name for an aircraft if you ask me.
On Dec. 13, they landed first on runway 13, then gave the plane to PanAm on July 13? Frankly, they missed a lot of omens!
funny that this still seems to be the only video of the boeing aircraft landing at renton
The Pan Am logo design was so simple and clean. Sad to see it gone
Repairs probably included two new seats for the Captain and, First officer! I would think the seat cushions holes would be too big to repair, from the pucker factor!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your simulation flew right over my house on the approach to BFI
This is a nightmare! Thank God they all survived!!! This was a touchdown that was "f'd up from the get-go. Review the check list.
At ATL on Delta Lockheed TriStar in Dec 78, Capt alit at foote of only runway open, everything out for drag & full brakes. Capt kiddie cornered 1st cutoff to crash out in grass but TriStar no want die grabbed cutoff, Capt kiddie cornered turn onto taxiway & full brakes all way across AMR apron until slid to stop at open AMR gate. They were glad to see us sending 4 potable H20 trucks to put out tire fires as Error No Rescue out of position. We had run outta gas E. of Marietta in a terrible thunderstorm when Capt ID'd us to ATC as a Delta Glider Flight, kicked his RAT out for elec, and glided for it. Flight had originated in West Palm Beach, w/stop at Tampa, then Atlanta, then to Detroit circling forever w/liner just ahead crushing gear as slid sideways & Capt pulled up missing tail by 20-30'. DTW closed so flew to O'Hare and circled forever until airport closed, so flew to Cleveland circled forever until closed, so flew to Philly and circled until closed. Capt headed SSW and slowed while announcing ordered to divert to JFK, but had made an executive decision for us to fly best economy speed to ATL Delta's Hub...I know they'll let us land there. So the last leg of our flight actually was ATL to ATL. Capt was ex-USAF fighter pilot so knew BS when he'd seen it, and he'd seen it as all this had happened due to a terrible ice storm. He had chosen to crash us out in the grass as there wouldn't be a very big fire as had already burned up everything flammable, and to clear their only runway open immediately, due to a dozen stacks of liners circling above us all in trouble and wanting to land real real bad. Tri-Star wanting to live had been a surprise to him, but pulling into AMR Gate was a no-no as Delta sent VP w/FAA Ofcl pushing by the Front Seats of every liner waiting in ramp to congratulate our Pilots on great landing. VP ordered Capt to order us off liner, Capt refused, VP fired Capt, Capt just grinned at VP reminding him he was PIC. FAA Ofcl mentioned Capt was right asPIC had complete command of everything regarding the flight until he left the plane. A very senior AMR Capt said "Don't worry Capt....you can fly for AMR every day of the week and twice on Sunday...just mention my name!". VP intimidated, conferred w/FAA Ofcl, then announced, AMR will provide meals, AMR Stewardesses could return, and Capt & Flight crew appear to FAA office in tower 9 AM tomorrow. Capt declined as VP had forgotten restore our AMR ground power disconnected to drive us off, complete liquor resupply, and complete breakfast service as well. VP said that was agreed so Capt concurred, VP & FAA Ofcl wanted to leave, but AMR Pilots prevented their egress standing in doorway frightening both, until VP turned around and said "That was one hell of a great landing Captain"! They escaped, and we partied all night!! So you see, landing short can be a good thing too, and as the Capt said, "Now we know how far a Tri-Star can fly on one tank of gas"!!!!
Actually, it wasn't scrapped. It is currently owned by Kalitta Air.
Outstanding 👍👍👍👍👍
When you use the wider shorter aspect ratio that you have here, the banner ads appear to take up much more space on screen than they do with ordinary 4:3 videos.
I'm I strange for feeling sad over a scrapped plane??..lol For so many years it brought excited families together etc, then just thrown away.
Neat! Watching from Loretta's Northwestern across the river from Boeing Field.
Can you imagine going to a party and being asked, " what do you do for a living?" Oh, I'm a senior experimental test pilot for Boeing. How do you follow that??????
10:40 Evergreen Aviation?? That was the CIAs black site airline for decades, they have a very impressive flight museum in Oregon.
Imagine the A380 with the TWA livery