My Dad used lathes for many years. After working at the Chevy plant 20 years he taught me a lot. I have his Logan # 400 lathe with the tooling included. A 10" lathe, he made many projects. I have the actual instruction booklet it came with. It was mounted to a 2 door cabinet full of every tools he used. Time for me to clean it up a bit and get busy! Great videos you have!
nice old machines ,this morning is broken my flat bend of my 1936 sheldon lathe and now will y buy a new bend ,this things with a modern lathe that dont do it but the old lathes is simple to repaire good luck with this machines
Greetings from Romania, a far away in Europe country. You became a world wide guru of machine shop . A big comunity of machine shop enthusiast is watching all your videos with the biggest interest. God bless you mr pete . I assure you that you have more "likes" than your chanel shows. Just kieep it going
My dad was born and raised across the river in Alton. Left to go to the war and never moved back. You made me think of him tonight talking about your lathe from "Monkey Wards". I had not heard that since we lost him. Thanks for the memories!
Mr. Pete, i just want you to know that i have been watching your videos for two days strait and don't want to stop. i love how you explain every detail on everything you do. most people wont take the time to show how to do things the right way like you do and i respect you for that. i'm only 20 years old and love your videos. so know you also have younger fans. i look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Benjamin Smith I did the same thing when I was deployed, watched nearly every video and now watch weekly when he releases a new video. If you are interested in machining check out Keith Fenner , you'll be busy for weeks watching all of his too.
Welcome aboard, Benjamin! I think there's a couple thousand of us hanging off of every word. I also recommend Tom Lipton at OxTools. Search for OxTools and subscribe there.
Mr. Peterson, my friend has one of these, the back gear was missing 2 teeth so I had them brazed and then used my Atlas shaper to recut the teeth. I put in 14 hours on his Logan and he gave me a Southbend Model C benchtop.I got the pegleg motor mount for it, and Joe at Plaza Machinery is sending me some cast iron legs for it. My Atlas was given to me for building a punch and die set that makes boiler spacers for White steam cars.Some of the spacers went in Jay Lenos White. Mike my friend builds boilers and gave me the Atlas. It is now totally restored and am now restoring the Model C. Already restored a Model A and B Southbends. The shaper and Model A came from the Nichols brothers lock and Machine in Chickasha, Ok. They built an airplane in 1911. Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge with all of us. Greg. Mikes 1905 model E won last year at Pebble Beach and I made his water pump shaft for it. Maybe someday I will get to go for a ride in it!
Can't wait to see your upcoming Logan videos. I have the same Logan 820 lathe you do, and while I cleaned, adjusted, and repaired it... I didn't paint mine either. I prefer functionality over cosmetics. Thank you for your excellent videos.
I bought this exact lathe on Thursday! Paid $300, in great shape. You're video about taking one apart sure helped me out in moving it! So glad you are posting these videos. Going to be a huge help helping me learn about my lathe!
Boy wish lathe,s were easy to find out here! Utah is not very easy to find a good deal. Really appreciate your wealth of wisdom and they way you teach.
20:05 You don't paint up the lathes any more, you say, you leave them in their 'work clothes'. I love that choice of words, I'll remember that. Dennis Turk (the Dalton Lathe Whisperer) would spin in his chuck! (your videos have really helped thousands of people, you're a Godsend, Mr. Pete.)
I will be watching for your complete tutorial on the LOGAN Lathes. I just bought a LOGAN 1400 table top for smaller projects I frequently have around the shop.
I have the exact lathe as the 3rd one mine is the logan with the quick change gearbox i got it for free as a trade for some carpentry work i did i had to dig it out of the mud it was half buried in i did a complete tear down cleaning and rebuild its operational but i still have a few more things to do to it,to make it 100% operational,i have had several offers for it and refused all of them i love the way its built so easy to work on and so many possibilities for upgrades
Hello Mr Pete, Great video. There is a great live steam and threshermens show this weekend in Pinckneyville Illinois. Hope to see you there but it's a bit of a drive for you.
You go get all the lathes you want. I get to enjoy all your lathes in your videos. And your lathes did not cost me a dime. I just subscribed the other day and am already smarter for it.
I worked at as an auto restorer and we were given one of those lathes by a machine shop. The bed was warped so bad you could hardly use it but it was the nicest lathe I have ever used by far! 1st job we modified chevy brake drums to fit a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud. Saved $2000 first time i used it......
The lathe serial number is stamped on the right end of the ways, the number 820 is the model # for the quick change gear. The power cross feed button is under the cross feed hand wheel.
Put me down for a sale if you do make a series on the Logan lathes. I just bought an 820 today, so such a course would be very helpful. I plan to get your "shop tips" course, but one on the Logan lathes would be great.
I have model 815 almost identical to your except the cross slide extends out the back fot the taper attachment that is missing. I smashed my fingers under that lid. Ifixed that problem be moving the support bracket to the outside. Now I never have to reach inside to unhook it so the lid can close.
I'm 72 and run 4 Laundromats after I done my daily jobs I really love my recliner chair Plus I do have plenty on my plate too cleaning my 50x20 workshop out IS my next project so I can even get to my Lathe after my kids made THEIR mess ,grrrr.
Mr. Pete you now own the sister lathe to mine! Serial # 35545. Scott Logan told me that it was originally sold on March 14, 1946. I will be watching this series with great interest! As a member of yours over on LFE, I presume you'll put the entire course(s) there?
Always interesting, I might have an opportunity to buy a Logan 12" but if I do I will probably have to store it for the winter to build a shop addition to put it in. Do you have a suggestion for storing lathes in unheated garages in order to protect from rust etc.?
Mr. Pete, maybe you could stick one of the new LED bulbs in the light on your lathe. I use one in my old school drop light at work. I can bring it inside the cars I work on and it won't burn me or the interior.
Hi Tubal, I enjoyed watching you go through all your auction stuff. I love doing that. I do have a question, you said you was going to give it a good cleaning. What type of cleaner do you use to clean it externally and internally? I have an old greasy dirty lathe I need to clean inside and out and was wandering how you go about cleaning it. Thanks, Tom
If you get hold of the auctioneer they could get in touch with the man who bought the other lathe. Like you said on the other videos, maybe he doesn't know much about lathes. You could sell him the extra gears if they go to his lathe. Also he may need some extra chucks or tooling. Great videos.
When I was about 12 My father bough a logan lathe, it had been sold to the UK as part of the lend lease.I had the job of removing the jelotine protection. As far as I no my brother still has it. I finished up with a Myford ML7 wish I got the Logan as promised by my father. It cost him the grand sum of 30 pounds sterlin in the 1950s
Hi Mr Tubalcain, I ran across a Logan in bad shape. It doesn't have same setup you have on this 10" and was wondering what prices I would pay for a Logan. Pretty rusted being I found it in Louisiana and looks like it sat in flood waters. Gear cover on end is broken but still hangs by one hinge pin. No model number or serial number. It would be a project to completely disassemble and repair. Where would I find info? Your love of older machines is contagious. I will watch your other Logan video.
You could run that key through Super Quench and it might be hard enough. If it has 40 points it almost certainly would be, but even mild steel hardens somewhat. Fun to try if you like that kind of thing.
I still feel guilty like I ran over a puppy. We were demolishing a rolling mill in Markham Illinois. There must have been a hundred of those and various lathes and we were just grabbing them with excavator backhoes and chucking them into the recycling. I think just the chucks must have been worth a fortune. This town was a happening place probably in WW II. This was probably ten years ago when we were demoing the place. The town was so economically depressed, the liquor store had the big bulletproof windows on it. B the time we were getting into our cars to go home. you could hear tinkling of pieces of pipe the locals were salvaing to make some booze or drug money. I always have regretted being so lazy that I only got a one ton crane to put on my beam in the garage! All those lathes! Tragic. There was also a giant Kraft paper factory there. I think the only growth industry was parking lots. Where the locals would park their cars to get on the train to go somewhere.
That Logan really is a smooth running lathe, I like it. I agree about keeping busy with projects, I'd much rather be doing something than sitting on my butt watching TV. Especially considering what's considered entertainment today.
Hi mrpete, With so many lathes and all the other stuff, are you eventually preparing a huge estate sale that the whole country will remember...? Because at the rate you're going, it will be huge, mostly if you keep healthy and active like presently. Keep on the the healthy mind attitude... Cheers, Pierre
I got a logan 820 for free. The first thing I made with it was a t-handle screw for the toolpost. I wish there was a search bar on your youtube page so I could find these Logan videos easier.
Dear Tubalcain. Since I'm from Poland I can tell you that if that chuck is a Bison brand, that is a very good and expensive chuck. (new is like 1000$) 0,005mm of accuracy when new.
I also have a 1946 Logan lathe. It's a wonderful machine, I wouldn't trade it for a brand new lathe. Sitting really is bad for you. You might say that sitting is the new smoking, as far as things that will kill you.
I mounted my light onto the carriage so it can travel with the work I like my Logan 11" a lot I am in the process of adding larger dials to the compound and crossfeed
William Nebergall I couldn't find them using their search function. It came up with thousands of erroneous items not related to lathe dials. Can you give me a tip on how you found them? Thank you!
HemiRod23 okay I need to be more clear these are three and a quarter of an inch endmill dials I am modifying things to copy the stelling dial upgrade I have talked to Scott Logan and he said this should work I will put pictures on my google plus account of what I have done so far if you are in tublecains circle you should be able to see them
i will never mess with the belt area again without blocking the lid with a 2x4..... i just about broke my fingers when the damn thing slammed down on them. I never expected it.
I hve one of these with a quick change toolpost on it. However, the compound slide is too tall for the quick change. Would it be ok to mill 0.100 off the bottom of the tool holders for more adjustment? I thought about shimming the head up, but then the tailstock would be too low.
Try using a little moreys oil stabilizer (there's another brand i can't remember) Oops LUCAS OIL STABILIZER it clings to the gears pretty well try some it comes in quart and gallon etc it's very good in transmissions and rear ends it'll cling to all those gears nice maybe even that bull gear Check here on you tube maybe they have a video of it. It's sold at good parts stores. ALL THE BEST SIR
Mrpete222, How do you decide when to use the holding power of a collet versus any other means? I sent you an email yesterday on your other website, I do understand that you maybe preoccupied, however Im interested in getting in touch with you. Thanks again for all the vids!
Hello Mr. Pete. I have just purchased a 820. Would you have an idea of where I could purchase the idler gears(tumbler gears)? I have broken teeth on on the forward one...
I bought an 820 on a Friday and found another one that very next day and bought it as well. The second 820 was completely disassembled ready to begin restoration. A really bought it for the parts which were in a condition that anyone would call pristine. The gears had absolutely no wear on them. The looked as if they were fresh off the shelf. The lathes are of dramatically different ages and ha e some incompatibilities. The second lathe came with the original 3 phase motor (I was told) however I had always under the impression that the Logan were originally equiped with 110/220 single phase. Perhaps you know the truth regarding this piece of trivia? I do not have the ability to test the motor unfortunately as I am not setup with three phase at my location. I almost hate to buy some sort of phase converter to test a motor that may not even work. I don't actually know what I'm going to do with this regards at this point. I have prepared a couple things on the First Lady the clutch was not engaging for some reason so I tore it apart and discovered a tiny spring that was out of its socket on The Head of the Class and smashed in between two plates. How it got beneath the plate is beyond me but it was flattened a little bit proof that it was there no damage was done to the plate so I simply reformed the spring I'm a tiny shaft and got it acceptable to still use although I should replace it soon. I was told that this lathe sat illegal for 50 years in the local hardware store window. I believe it now it has some green paint on the ways that is at least that old and that wore off. I probably paid a little bit too much for the first lady but I got the second complete broken down laid for $100. If I have to replace one gear and use from this stockpile it was well worth it. Yesterday I finished making a quick change tool post out of tool steel of all things and it came out really nice and works perfectly. I am however having a difficult time trying to figure out the size of the nuts that loosen the compound. I thought that they were 9/16 but a 9/16 doesn't fit nor does a 5/8. I can't imagine that these are original nuts this being the case. I don't think Logan would put some odd size in-between size not on there during production. The compound is of the type that has a recess on either side for access to these lockdown nuts. If anyone knows what these nuts were originally spect 4 please let me know
mrpete222 well I guess I am getting on in years and I did not have the lighting setup over this late in my shop as it should be the whole problem was that those nuts we're a little bit more on the corners it made it feel much looser than I thought it should so I just cut a new wrench specifically for it on my mill out of tool steel and broke them loose they were on very very very tight. It was a strange thing indeed but I took care of it. I guess I'm going to paint this Beast after all I've got it almost down to Bare Metal now just tinkering around and I don't I think I would like to oil it everyday to keep it from rusting so I will paint it after all
the hole in the chip pan would be... if smoothed up a bit.. just about the right size and shape for a coolant sump and pump assy. should you decide you wanted a coolant system on this machine....just a thought
I have this exact lathe even the same year.... I noticed the other day that one of the gears on the initial drivetrain if you want to call it that look non-typical. Shouldn't the final gear before entering the Quick Change gearbox be a 72 tooth gear? I have some oddball 42 tooth or some damn thing here and there and I don't know how I didn't notice this in the past. I'm almost positive this should be a 72 tooth gear am I correct? I want to start threading a little bit and I want everything right I'm very new at this game Thank you for your help as usual
There's no chart on the door at all. I bought a 1821 for 2 hundred bucks. I put it all together and it was the 72 to the Gear in that position I think I'm going to go pay the $25 and download the manual with the exploded drawings from Logan. I just went out and looked and it's a 48 tooth gear in that last position that is in line with Quick Change Drive. I'm almost positive it should be a 72 tooth gear. I tell you what I have to agree with you on the ultra slow feed rate and this lathe. You can get a finish like glass at that's low speed. I'm using the old half horse repulsion motor that was on it when I got it I cleaned it up a little bit fill the oil reservoirs blue all the chips out of it and it runs like a clock. This way this is like a Swiss watch it's so quiet I love it
Looking at the videos people have done on these Asin made Lathes and listening to all the complains and problems I am sure I would rather have and old American made machine like this old beauty. I don't' need one that big but I'll bet she would do jobs as good as a mini-lathe if you had a good set of small collets and I guess you could use quarter inch tools in it if necessary.
Someone just offered me a Chinese lathe 12 by 36 for $500 its still in the crate its been in storage never used and I turn them down. It was a century machinery / Harbor Freight special. They retail for $4,999 you can no longer get parts for it or service for it and nobody will buy it from him. I will never buy another piece of Chinese equipment if I can help it again. Having said that I did purchase one of those zx45 which suits me just fine. I was quite surprised that the table end-to-end was less than half a thousand and I could measure no run out in the entire length of the spindle at all. It does quite a nice job for very very very cheap. They will suit me just fine until I can find a good deal on a Bridgeport
I don't want to seem rude but I bought my current lathe 3 months ago it's a Sieg C2 it's not fancy but it took me 4 months to save up for the $850 price tag, does it ever reach around that figure for a 12inch bed, I do realize that these are second hand units.
Keep searching. You CAN find old US made machine tools in that price range. I would recommend that you have an experienced person with you when you look at the first few. They should be able to tell you about wear and missing parts. Don't give up!
***** Depends upon where you are... in my neck of the woods, you can barely touch a clapped out 12" lathe for ~$2,000 - and will need to spend about another $1k to get the parts including a phase converter and idler motor - to get it back into running condition... 20/20 hindsight says that I should have waited another month, and bought a new Grizzly for the $3k. Here in Southern California, you will find a lot of rusty relics being sold for top dollar - only once in a blue moon will you find an estate sale where you can get a used 12" American made lathe for around $1200... It's a matter of supply and demand - if you live near a Rust Belt city which had lots of factories into the 1980s, you can find cheaper iron, and in better shape. Around here, most of the old stuff got exported years ago, and the remaining aerospace factories converted to CNC in the 1990s.
chemech What you say is obviously true. However, there has never been as much industry where I am in NorCal as there was in SoCal. All of those old manual machines went or are going somewhere, and they will surface again. I stand by my comment to keep looking and don't give up.
All I'm saying is that you can be making chips a lot sooner, and sometimes with a better machine, if you buy the import straight away. Especially if your budget is less than $2,000 Face it, any machine tool is a starting point for adjustments and tinkering when you buy it. Just finding a fixable older American machine, as opposed to a parts donor basket case, is a case of long odds against you. I got "lucky" with my Logan - and, kind of wish that I hadn't been quite so "lucky" as there are some major headaches still to be faced in bringing it back up to snuff. Check your local market, but don't buy a pile of rust in the general shape of a machine tool just because it has a *Name* brand on the faceplate - and, especially do not pay $3,000 for a $1,500 machine...
chemech I agree with you... in some cases. In this particular case, I was simply responding to his specific question. Frankly, without knowing more info about a person's situation, skill, desire, etc, I think that generalizing isn't doing anyone any favors. It's almost like asking 4 people which is a better pickup, Ford or Chevy. You'll almost always get eight answers out of that one question alone! lol I do hope that my Logan (my 8th lathe by the way), looks as good as some of the others here when I'm finished!
Another great lathe video! I like the old Logan lathes, I am partial because a Logan 1875H which is similar to your 820 is my current machine. I too hate to paint but when I had to tear down the gearbox to rebuild it I decided to paint it while it was apart. It looked so good I did the whole thing. Gave me a chance to oil and clean all the moving parts too. Good thing, my carriage was in dire need of attention. Here is my photos before and after on the Logan Yahoo group. groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/loganlathe/photos/albums/1114278577 I used a needle scaler to remove the old paint which made the project easy. www.harborfreight.com/compact-air-needle-scaler-96997.html For paint we used Rustoleum machine gray which matched the bottom coat of paint.
Thanks I'd never heard of a scaler! Maybe I'll get another free tape measure while I'm there. I can see loosing a tape, or a couple tapes, but I must have 40 and STILL can never find more than one!!!
Ya know, it's kind of weird to me. A man like you, loving the work & things you do. Mind ya, it just seems to me, you would own & drive a pickup truck. But I'm from Texas, & even a lot of women drive pickups, even if they DON"T need one, cause their hubbies already have one.
My Dad used lathes for many years. After working at the Chevy plant 20 years he taught me a lot. I have his Logan # 400 lathe with the tooling included. A 10" lathe, he made many projects. I have the actual instruction booklet it came with. It was mounted to a 2 door cabinet full of every tools he used. Time for me to clean it up a bit and get busy! Great videos you have!
+David Chambers I bet thats a nice logan
It really is. My Dad added some creature comforts for easy tool usage. A # 400 with instructions and a tool chest under for access to more tools.
nice old machines ,this morning is broken my flat bend of my 1936 sheldon lathe and now will y buy a new bend ,this things with a modern lathe that dont do it but the old lathes is simple to repaire good luck with this machines
Greetings from Romania, a far away in Europe country. You became a world wide guru of machine shop . A big comunity of machine shop enthusiast is watching all your videos with the biggest interest. God bless you mr pete . I assure you that you have more "likes" than your chanel shows. Just kieep it going
My dad was born and raised across the river in Alton. Left to go to the war and never moved back. You made me think of him tonight talking about your lathe from "Monkey Wards". I had not heard that since we lost him. Thanks for the memories!
Thanks. My dad always used that term.
Mr. Pete, i just want you to know that i have been watching your videos for two days strait and don't want to stop. i love how you explain every detail on everything you do. most people wont take the time to show how to do things the right way like you do and i respect you for that. i'm only 20 years old and love your videos. so know you also have younger fans. i look forward to seeing more of your videos.
Thanks for watching. I'm glad there's young men watching.
Benjamin Smith I did the same thing when I was deployed, watched nearly every video and now watch weekly when he releases a new video. If you are interested in machining check out Keith Fenner , you'll be busy for weeks watching all of his too.
Welcome aboard, Benjamin! I think there's a couple thousand of us hanging off of every word. I also recommend Tom Lipton at OxTools. Search for OxTools and subscribe there.
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Mr. Peterson, my friend has one of these, the back gear was missing 2 teeth so I had them brazed and then used my Atlas shaper to recut the teeth. I put in 14 hours on his Logan and he gave me a Southbend Model C benchtop.I got the pegleg motor mount for it, and Joe at Plaza Machinery is sending me some cast iron legs for it. My Atlas was given to me for building a punch and die set that makes boiler spacers for White steam cars.Some of the spacers went in Jay Lenos White. Mike my friend builds boilers and gave me the Atlas. It is now totally restored and am now restoring the Model C. Already restored a Model A and B Southbends. The shaper and Model A came from the Nichols brothers lock and Machine in Chickasha, Ok. They built an airplane in 1911. Thanks for sharing your vast knowledge with all of us. Greg. Mikes 1905 model E won last year at Pebble Beach and I made his water pump shaft for it. Maybe someday I will get to go for a ride in it!
stratocaster1greg Nice job on the logan gears. Good story about lenos car. He has quite a collection
Brings back memories of my Model 1917 11-incher I had for many years. Almost identical.
Thanks Mr Pete
Colin
I hear you about the lack of time after retirement. I now have no idea how I had time for a job back then!
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Another great video and some great advice as always. Keep up the fine work.
Can't wait to see your upcoming Logan videos. I have the same Logan 820 lathe you do, and while I cleaned, adjusted, and repaired it... I didn't paint mine either. I prefer functionality over cosmetics. Thank you for your excellent videos.
*_Thanks for all you do & have done_*
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*James*
I bought this exact lathe on Thursday! Paid $300, in great shape. You're video about taking one apart sure helped me out in moving it! So glad you are posting these videos. Going to be a huge help helping me learn about my lathe!
+David Adams -thanks for watching
oh yea Mr. Pete thanks for taking us along on the auction, and the finds, enjoyed it.
+john hempstead -thanks for watching
My day has been made!! Mentioned in a video by tubalcain. Love the videos!
Nice looking lathe. It reminds me of the ones we had in our tool rooms. Our oil field lathes all had a minimum of 12" hollow spindles. :)
Great video on the Logan Lathe, thanks for sharing.
Another great video Mr Pete, looking forward to more videos especially one with the Bridgeport it seems to have been a little neglected
Boy wish lathe,s were easy to find out here! Utah is not very easy to find a good deal. Really appreciate your wealth of wisdom and they way you teach.
+Danne Hughes Yes-this is a very populous area--and at one time had much industrey
Nice find! You could add an Hydraulic lift cylinder (like the ones for car hoods, tailgates) to assist the Head Stock heavy cover. Thanks for sharing!
20:05 You don't paint up the lathes any more, you say, you leave them in their 'work clothes'. I love that choice of words, I'll remember that. Dennis Turk (the Dalton Lathe Whisperer) would spin in his chuck!
(your videos have really helped thousands of people, you're a Godsend, Mr. Pete.)
Thank you very much
I will be watching for your complete tutorial on the LOGAN Lathes. I just bought a LOGAN 1400 table top for smaller projects I frequently have around the shop.
i like the idea of the steam show gig.........I wish I could do that myself.........keep up the good work..regard's from Kentucky........
Nice recast led hammer hanging there. Looks like it's done right too. Filled up to the handle end.
I love your videos. I just purchased a used 820 like yours on Craigslist. Going to pick it up today. Keep up the great work.
Good buy--you will like
I have the exact lathe as the 3rd one mine is the logan with the quick change gearbox i got it for free as a trade for some carpentry work i did i had to dig it out of the mud it was half buried in i did a complete tear down cleaning and rebuild its operational but i still have a few more things to do to it,to make it 100% operational,i have had several offers for it and refused all of them i love the way its built so easy to work on and so many possibilities for upgrades
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Hello Mr Pete, Great video.
There is a great live steam and threshermens show this weekend in Pinckneyville Illinois.
Hope to see you there but it's a bit of a drive for you.
Great, very enjoyable and informative!
I love your videos the videos always give me new informational knowledge. "If you don't learn something new everyday, is it worth it to be alive."
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You go get all the lathes you want. I get to enjoy all your lathes in your videos. And your lathes did not cost me a dime. I just subscribed the other day and am already smarter for it.
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Thanks again sir! Agreed, if you retire and sit in that chair, not much of a future. Like you, I have an endless list of projects waiting.
MrPete, glad to see the lathe reviews.
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I worked at as an auto restorer and we were given one of those lathes by a machine shop. The bed was warped so bad you could hardly use it but it was the nicest lathe I have ever used by far! 1st job we modified chevy brake drums to fit a Rolls Royce Silver Cloud. Saved $2000 first time i used it......
+Jordanhollowdistillers -thanks for watching
Glad you are fully active in your retirement... :)
It is important to me to spend at least a little time in my chair enjoying your videos. Now to go clean my workbench...
To paraphrase, "a clean workbench is a sign of a sick mind." :-)
+Doug Rundell -thanks for watching
thanks for all the great info
The lathe serial number is stamped on the right end of the ways, the number 820 is the model # for the quick change gear. The power cross feed button is under the cross feed hand wheel.
With all the stuff you are getting I anticipate an episode of "Tubalcain goes to the dog house"
+Eddie the Grouch -thanks for watching
Put me down for a sale if you do make a series on the Logan lathes. I just bought an 820 today, so such a course would be very helpful. I plan to get your "shop tips" course, but one on the Logan lathes would be great.
Great video.. they all look useful little machines. would love to know more about the Czech drill chuck though? is it TOS?
excellent video mr pete
great video. sure would be interested in a video on how to clean an old lathe and it's parts.
I have model 815 almost identical to your except the cross slide extends out the back fot the taper attachment that is missing.
I smashed my fingers under that lid. Ifixed that problem be moving the support bracket to the outside. Now I never have to reach inside to unhook it so the lid can close.
I have the exact same lathe. It looks just as rusted as that one :)
My Highschool teacher (machine shop teacher) was the legandary Leon Leyson.
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I'm 72 and run 4 Laundromats after I done my daily jobs I really love my recliner chair Plus I do have plenty on my plate too cleaning my 50x20 workshop out IS my next project so I can even get to my Lathe after my kids made THEIR mess ,grrrr.
nice piece of equipment
I have a 10x24 logan. It's a handy little machine. I have a larger lathe but find myself using the Logan most of the time...
I like my Logan's as well
Mr. Pete you now own the sister lathe to mine! Serial # 35545. Scott Logan told me that it was originally sold on March 14, 1946. I will be watching this series with great interest! As a member of yours over on LFE, I presume you'll put the entire course(s) there?
Always interesting, I might have an opportunity to buy a Logan 12" but if I do I will probably have to store it for the winter to build a shop addition to put it in. Do you have a suggestion for storing lathes in unheated garages in order to protect from rust etc.?
Just oil all the bare metal down real well
Very Good Advice
Thanks
Mr. Pete, maybe you could stick one of the new LED bulbs in the light on your lathe. I use one in my old school drop light at work. I can bring it inside the cars I work on and it won't burn me or the interior.
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I have that same lathe though it has an upgraded tool post. A year in the quick change gear box is stripped so I cant learn how to thread yet.
As a beginner I've been offered a Cummins 7-12 lathe for $150. I've checked the internet for info but haven't found much about these lathes.
Hi Tubal, I enjoyed watching you go through all your auction stuff. I love doing that. I do have a question, you said you was going to give it a good cleaning. What type of cleaner do you use to clean it externally and internally? I have an old greasy dirty lathe I need to clean inside and out and was wandering how you go about cleaning it. Thanks, Tom
I just use a rag, wire brush & cheap paint thinner.
If you get hold of the auctioneer they could get in touch with the man who bought the other lathe. Like you said on the other videos, maybe he doesn't know much about lathes. You could sell him the extra gears if they go to his lathe. Also he may need some extra chucks or tooling. Great videos.
+Danny Jackson Thanks
When I was about 12 My father bough a logan lathe, it had been sold to the UK as part of the lend lease.I had the job of removing the jelotine protection. As far as I no my brother still has it. I finished up with a Myford ML7 wish I got the Logan as promised by my father. It cost him the grand sum of 30 pounds sterlin in the 1950s
+douglas mitchelll What a treasure to buy a logan still wrapped up. Thanks for watching
Hi Mr Tubalcain, I ran across a Logan in bad shape. It doesn't have same setup you have on this 10" and was wondering what prices I would pay for a Logan. Pretty rusted being I found it in Louisiana and looks like it sat in flood waters. Gear cover on end is broken but still hangs by one hinge pin. No model number or serial number. It would be a project to completely disassemble and repair. Where would I find info?
Your love of older machines is contagious. I will watch your other Logan video.
maybe $100
You could run that key through Super Quench and it might be hard enough. If it has 40 points it almost certainly would be, but even mild steel hardens somewhat. Fun to try if you like that kind of thing.
+Hondo Trailside Good-- Thank you!!!
I still feel guilty like I ran over a puppy. We were demolishing a rolling mill in Markham Illinois. There must have been a hundred of those and various lathes and we were just grabbing them with excavator backhoes and chucking them into the recycling. I think just the chucks must have been worth a fortune. This town was a happening place probably in WW II. This was probably ten years ago when we were demoing the place. The town was so economically depressed, the liquor store had the big bulletproof windows on it. B the time we were getting into our cars to go home. you could hear tinkling of pieces of pipe the locals were salvaing to make some booze or drug money. I always have regretted being so lazy that I only got a one ton crane to put on my beam in the garage! All those lathes! Tragic. There was also a giant Kraft paper factory there. I think the only growth industry was parking lots. Where the locals would park their cars to get on the train to go somewhere.
That Logan really is a smooth running lathe, I like it.
I agree about keeping busy with projects, I'd much rather be doing something than sitting on my butt watching TV. Especially considering what's considered entertainment today.
+ShysterLawyer Thanks
What about a shop walk-thru?
Would love to see it!
+D.R. M. I'm thinking about it
Hi mrpete,
With so many lathes and all the other stuff, are you eventually preparing a huge estate sale that the whole country will remember...?
Because at the rate you're going, it will be huge, mostly if you keep healthy and active like presently.
Keep on the the healthy mind attitude...
Cheers,
Pierre
I got a logan 820 for free. The first thing I made with it was a t-handle screw for the toolpost. I wish there was a search bar on your youtube page so I could find these Logan videos easier.
There is a search utility for people's accounts
You should install a gas spring on the belt cover.
Tom Walther.
This looks very similar to my SEARS version.
Dear Tubalcain. Since I'm from Poland I can tell you that if that chuck is a Bison brand, that is a very good and expensive chuck. (new is like 1000$) 0,005mm of accuracy when new.
I also have a 1946 Logan lathe. It's a wonderful machine, I wouldn't trade it for a brand new lathe.
Sitting really is bad for you. You might say that sitting is the new smoking, as far as things that will kill you.
Well I know this video is from a few years ago but I hope by now you bought 5 gallons of machinery enamel and made these old lathes look good.😀
I hate painting
I mounted my light onto the carriage so it can travel with the work
I like my Logan 11" a lot I am in the process of adding larger dials to the compound and crossfeed
Where do you get the big dials?
mrpete222
mrpete222. From ereplacementparts.com
They are three inch $4.00 a piece, bigger than I had planned 200 graduations
William Nebergall I couldn't find them using their search function. It came up with thousands of erroneous items not related to lathe dials. Can you give me a tip on how you found them? Thank you!
HemiRod23 okay I need to be more clear these are three and a quarter of an inch endmill dials I am modifying things to copy the stelling dial upgrade
I have talked to Scott Logan and he said this should work
I will put pictures on my google plus account of what I have done so far if you are in tublecains circle you should be able to see them
I would love to know more about this lathe. I just recently bought one. How can I get a hold of you for some more questions?
I'm using one like this in 5 days, if I can find the correct replacement motor
i will never mess with the belt area again without blocking the lid with a 2x4..... i just about broke my fingers when the damn thing slammed down on them. I never expected it.
I am shopping around for a lathe and wanted to know what to look out for when buying a lathe. Atlas, south bend or craftsmen.
I did make a video on that once. I do not remember the name you will have to search
Hi, could you give me the amount of teeth for each gear on the lyre? i bougth one same and I have to manufacture them. Thank you
I hve one of these with a quick change toolpost on it. However, the compound slide is too tall for the quick change. Would it be ok to mill 0.100 off the bottom of the tool holders for more adjustment? I thought about shimming the head up, but then the tailstock would be too low.
Yes, I think that would be a good solution. But do it a little at a time to see if it affects the tool holders
can you give me an idea of what a logan 820 might be worth? I have one coming up at an auction
Try using a little moreys oil stabilizer (there's another brand i can't remember)
Oops LUCAS OIL STABILIZER
it clings to the gears pretty well try some it comes in quart and gallon etc it's very good in transmissions and rear ends it'll cling to all those gears nice maybe even that bull gear
Check here on you tube maybe they have a video of it.
It's sold at good parts stores.
ALL THE BEST SIR
Mrpete222,
How do you decide when to use the holding power of a collet versus any other means?
I sent you an email yesterday on your other website, I do understand that you maybe preoccupied, however Im interested in getting in touch with you.
Thanks again for all the vids!
A 4 jaw chuck holds the tightest. A 3 jaw just presses on 3 small parts. A collet to me is the most accurate and fastest to use.
Hello Mr. Pete. I have just purchased a 820. Would you have an idea of where I could purchase the idler gears(tumbler gears)? I have broken teeth on on the forward one...
eBay is your only hope
@@mrpete222 thank you!
Nice Pete,, l know I love my 11 inch Logan my opinion a month better lathe then Southbend,, as you said it's the quietness I really like..
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What is a good price? If you should ever come across one? I'd like to get some old iron.... Estate sale for sure.
I bought an 820 on a Friday and found another one that very next day and bought it as well. The second 820 was completely disassembled ready to begin restoration. A really bought it for the parts which were in a condition that anyone would call pristine. The gears had absolutely no wear on them. The looked as if they were fresh off the shelf.
The lathes are of dramatically different ages and ha e some incompatibilities. The second lathe came with the original 3 phase motor (I was told) however I had always under the impression that the Logan were originally equiped with 110/220 single phase. Perhaps you know the truth regarding this piece of trivia? I do not have the ability to test the motor unfortunately as I am not setup with three phase at my location.
I almost hate to buy some sort of phase converter to test a motor that may not even work. I don't actually know what I'm going to do with this regards at this point. I have prepared a couple things on the First Lady the clutch was not engaging for some reason so I tore it apart and discovered a tiny spring that was out of its socket on The Head of the Class and smashed in between two plates. How it got beneath the plate is beyond me but it was flattened a little bit proof that it was there no damage was done to the plate so I simply reformed the spring I'm a tiny shaft and got it acceptable to still use although I should replace it soon.
I was told that this lathe sat illegal for 50 years in the local hardware store window. I believe it now it has some green paint on the ways that is at least that old and that wore off. I probably paid a little bit too much for the first lady but I got the second complete broken down laid for $100. If I have to replace one gear and use from this stockpile it was well worth it.
Yesterday I finished making a quick change tool post out of tool steel of all things and it came out really nice and works perfectly. I am however having a difficult time trying to figure out the size of the nuts that loosen the compound. I thought that they were 9/16 but a 9/16 doesn't fit nor does a 5/8. I can't imagine that these are original nuts this being the case. I don't think Logan would put some odd size in-between size not on there during production. The compound is of the type that has a recess on either side for access to these lockdown nuts.
If anyone knows what these nuts were originally spect 4 please let me know
My logan 820 has 9/16 nuts.
My wards powercraft logan has nuts that are .700 across the flats-it has a logan wrench with it thjat fits perf.
mrpete222 well I guess I am getting on in years and I did not have the lighting setup over this late in my shop as it should be the whole problem was that those nuts we're a little bit more on the corners it made it feel much looser than I thought it should so I just cut a new wrench specifically for it on my mill out of tool steel and broke them loose they were on very very very tight. It was a strange thing indeed but I took care of it. I guess I'm going to paint this Beast after all I've got it almost down to Bare Metal now just tinkering around and I don't I think I would like to oil it everyday to keep it from rusting so I will paint it after all
Is that an 8" chuck on the Logan?
Nothing kills older folks quicker than a chair
Very true
the hole in the chip pan would be... if smoothed up a bit.. just about the right size and shape for a coolant sump and pump assy. should you decide you wanted a coolant system on this machine....just a thought
Yes, you're right
I have this exact lathe even the same year.... I noticed the other day that one of the gears on the initial drivetrain if you want to call it that look non-typical. Shouldn't the final gear before entering the Quick Change gearbox be a 72 tooth gear? I have some oddball 42 tooth or some damn thing here and there and I don't know how I didn't notice this in the past. I'm almost positive this should be a 72 tooth gear am I correct? I want to start threading a little bit and I want everything right I'm very new at this game
Thank you for your help as usual
I really have not looked at the gears yet. look at your chart
There's no chart on the door at all. I bought a 1821 for 2 hundred bucks. I put it all together and it was the 72 to the Gear in that position I think I'm going to go pay the $25 and download the manual with the exploded drawings from Logan.
I just went out and looked and it's a 48 tooth gear in that last position that is in line with Quick Change Drive. I'm almost positive it should be a 72 tooth gear.
I tell you what I have to agree with you on the ultra slow feed rate and this lathe. You can get a finish like glass at that's low speed.
I'm using the old half horse repulsion motor that was on it when I got it I cleaned it up a little bit fill the oil reservoirs blue all the chips out of it and it runs like a clock. This way this is like a Swiss watch it's so quiet I love it
That chuck was made in Chuckoslovaekya
lol
Just bought a 1875 logan
Looking at your videos for advice.
I probably paid to much, so dirty. He abused it and at the end son used for wood lathe
You can't have to many of the thing's you love may be you need building expansion I love your machines.
+Joe Tiller -thanks for watching
Looking at the videos people have done on these Asin made Lathes and listening to all the complains and problems I am sure I would rather have and old American made machine like this old beauty. I don't' need one that big but I'll bet she would do jobs as good as a mini-lathe if you had a good set of small collets and I guess you could use quarter inch tools in it if necessary.
+Charles Barnett thanks for watching-love the old ones
Someone just offered me a Chinese lathe 12 by 36 for $500 its still in the crate its been in storage never used and I turn them down. It was a century machinery / Harbor Freight special. They retail for $4,999 you can no longer get parts for it or service for it and nobody will buy it from him. I will never buy another piece of Chinese equipment if I can help it again. Having said that I did purchase one of those zx45 which suits me just fine. I was quite surprised that the table end-to-end was less than half a thousand and I could measure no run out in the entire length of the spindle at all. It does quite a nice job for very very very cheap. They will suit me just fine until I can find a good deal on a Bridgeport
Hey lyle where can I purchase the course on logon lathe on flash drive ?
Watch this video for complete info!
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I don't want to seem rude but I bought my current lathe 3 months ago it's a Sieg C2 it's not fancy but it took me 4 months to save up for the $850 price tag, does it ever reach around that figure for a 12inch bed, I do realize that these are second hand units.
Keep searching. You CAN find old US made machine tools in that price range. I would recommend that you have an experienced person with you when you look at the first few. They should be able to tell you about wear and missing parts. Don't give up!
***** Depends upon where you are... in my neck of the woods, you can barely touch a clapped out 12" lathe for ~$2,000 - and will need to spend about another $1k to get the parts including a phase converter and idler motor - to get it back into running condition...
20/20 hindsight says that I should have waited another month, and bought a new Grizzly for the $3k.
Here in Southern California, you will find a lot of rusty relics being sold for top dollar - only once in a blue moon will you find an estate sale where you can get a used 12" American made lathe for around $1200...
It's a matter of supply and demand - if you live near a Rust Belt city which had lots of factories into the 1980s, you can find cheaper iron, and in better shape.
Around here, most of the old stuff got exported years ago, and the remaining aerospace factories converted to CNC in the 1990s.
chemech
What you say is obviously true. However, there has never been as much industry where I am in NorCal as there was in SoCal. All of those old manual machines went or are going somewhere, and they will surface again. I stand by my comment to keep looking and don't give up.
All I'm saying is that you can be making chips a lot sooner, and sometimes with a better machine, if you buy the import straight away. Especially if your budget is less than $2,000
Face it, any machine tool is a starting point for adjustments and tinkering when you buy it.
Just finding a fixable older American machine, as opposed to a parts donor basket case, is a case of long odds against you.
I got "lucky" with my Logan - and, kind of wish that I hadn't been quite so "lucky" as there are some major headaches still to be faced in bringing it back up to snuff.
Check your local market, but don't buy a pile of rust in the general shape of a machine tool just because it has a *Name* brand on the faceplate - and, especially do not pay $3,000 for a $1,500 machine...
chemech
I agree with you... in some cases. In this particular case, I was simply responding to his specific question. Frankly, without knowing more info about a person's situation, skill, desire, etc, I think that generalizing isn't doing anyone any favors. It's almost like asking 4 people which is a better pickup, Ford or Chevy. You'll almost always get eight answers out of that one question alone! lol
I do hope that my Logan (my 8th lathe by the way), looks as good as some of the others here when I'm finished!
Another great lathe video!
I like the old Logan lathes, I am partial because a Logan 1875H which is similar to your 820 is my current machine. I too hate to paint but when I had to tear down the gearbox to rebuild it I decided to paint it while it was apart. It looked so good I did the whole thing. Gave me a chance to oil and clean all the moving parts too. Good thing, my carriage was in dire need of attention.
Here is my photos before and after on the Logan Yahoo group.
groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/loganlathe/photos/albums/1114278577
I used a needle scaler to remove the old paint which made the project easy.
www.harborfreight.com/compact-air-needle-scaler-96997.html
For paint we used Rustoleum machine gray which matched the bottom coat of paint.
Looks great Doug! I hadnt seen that yet on the YH group.
The link did not work for me.
mrpete222
Mr. Pete, you may need to be a member of that group to see anything.
Thanks I'd never heard of a scaler! Maybe I'll get another free tape measure while I'm there. I can see loosing a tape, or a couple tapes, but I must have 40 and STILL can never find more than one!!!
Ya know, it's kind of weird to me. A man like you, loving the work & things you do. Mind ya, it just seems to me, you would own & drive a pickup truck. But I'm from Texas, & even a lot of women drive pickups, even if they DON"T need one, cause their hubbies already have one.
After you clean these up do you sell them?
Only if I get sick of them, I presently have seven lathes
Hahaha! Chuckles Slovakia where Chucks come from.
Hey Mrpete can you give me the diameters of the small pulleys that are on the motor?
2 1/4 & 4 1/4
I like the comment: If you only have one lathe...............how many do I need? LOL
I have learned a lot from watching your videos
bad bourbon bob Thanks for watching