Are Tubeless tires good for ebikes? I explain HOW and WHY
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- Опубліковано 16 чер 2024
- Tubeless tire setups can be lighter, faster, and more resistant to flats! Electric bikes are no exception and can also benefit from tubeless setups. I explain why they have less rolling resistance, how they work for flat resistance, and show how to do the conversion.
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0:00 Improve your ebike without adding something!?
0:24 What is it?!
0:47 How it works
2:26 Are tubeless tires flat-resistant?
4:25 The Blackbird makes it easier for the conversion
6:08 Let's do it! (Don't miss a step.)
12:14 what to expect over time
12:32 The weight before and after the conversion
13:35 Speed test - Are tubeless tires faster? - Спорт
What other questions do you have about tubeless tires?
Do they make a good tubeless ready street trie
So nothing replaces the tube inside the tire?
Diaz Justine sealant works great ihit a nail the other day . Just pulled the nail spun the tire a couple of times and kept riding that was more like two mouths ago still riding
@@gbrldz0 Sealant and sealing tape replace the tube.
Maersk ship from China to LA lost 750 containers in rough weather on Jan 16th. I hope the blackbirds are headed to Oakland!🤪
Wouldn’t it be easier and more accurate to just weigh the 2 removed tubes and subtract the weight of the sealant and new valve stems?
✔👍👍👍👍👍..... EXACTLY ... Well said
Yeah my first thought
The very first day I went out for a ride on my e-bike I headed to some dirt roads here in Petaluma to see how well my new mountain e-bike would perform, it performed great but for both tires getting flat because of goat heads. I kept the tubes but added sealant into the tubes rather than get tubeless rims and tires since I couldn't afford them, after adding sealant I haven't had a flat since. BTW I used Green slime since it was available at most auto part stores. Since than I went with another brand, but you can do your own research. Having said that if you can afford tubeless rims and tires, get them, well worth the cost and performance.
I have a 1.5kw Senada Saber first with the 26x4” stock tires and now with 26x3.5” Vee Speedsters (30TPI tube ready) I have 5 tubes laying around that can be patched and reused. I’m sooo tired of having to randomly change a tube, although I can do the whole process in 5-7 minutes now. Tubeless seems like the way to go as I wouldn’t have to remove the wheel to quickly fix a flat tire - which is the biggest advantage in my opinion.
I think this was a very illuminating video, I'm sure there are a few guys who would have liked to see this done last year, when they were deciding whether or not to go tubeless, but a good video, none the less. Also, when I was trying to decide for myself, there were videos were they showed the person doing the conversion doing a light bounce as they rotated the tire after doing the horizontal rolling movement, this might helps get the liquid to all the little nooks and crannies quicker, maybe. Again thank you for another very enlightening video.
Great info! And converting to tubeless does indeed make sense including the "back up plan" on re-installing the tube "if" you have to.
so you are still carrying the tube,, just as a backup now? great weight savings. BTW Peter was wondering when you were going to pay him back. Also, Paul says Thanks.
Well here is a new update on my 26" Blackbird with the tubeless tires so far after riding 69 miles with zero and 1 pedal assist i am at 47 volts or used 50% of battery which probably could go at least 80 miles or more on a single charge this includes some hills so very impressed!!! Love my new Bolton Blackbird well done Kyle
please tell me more. hows the standover? do you ride in wet environments often?
Hopefully tubeless tires are coming for my Kenda 4” tires for my Ecomotion ebike. Thx for the informative video on tubeless tires
I love tubeless tires I have them on my regular bike. I was spending alot of time fixing flats and hesitated along time before the change over but now no more tubes. So I have a Sabre on order tubeless tires on that will be awesome
Nice walkthrough. Hope to test out tubeless tires at some point myself.
Go for it!
A lot of "Common Sense" ideas are on the Bolten Ebikes Channel! Thanks for letting everyone review your channel!
12:55 weighing the same bike after the conversion to tubeless would be a better measure of weight loss
Very informative. Thank you.
Waiting for the 24 inch tubeless tires. Will be going tubeless.
did you get a blackbird?
Once again an excellent video. I am a Gorilla tape person it's considerately less expensive than the frufru tape.
Is it really less expensive if you have to use twice as much?
I can’t tell you how much I enjoy your videos.
I was in the market for a ebike but had a COVID-19 stroke and plans changed, of course. I ended up putting a Swytch kit on my folding Brompton and now in the process of relearning how to ride bikes again. Learning to walk was 6 months ago. And yes, a folding bike is the worse bike to learn to ride on but it is what it is.
This technology, ebikes, is a godsend. I’m able to pedal as far as I can then just motor home.
Your channel is, kind of at the lead of presenting the technology and the practical application of it to us the general public.
Thx so much!!
In the future your on the short list. Ok, it’s a list of 1. Lol
Did u take the vaccine?
@@karimhayes3134 yes, I’m up to date on my vaccines. My stroke was early on and before any vaccines were available. I haven’t had any new Covid issues since vaccinated and for that I’m grateful. I work in the healthcare field at a pharmacy as a technician so I am exposed to customers/patients who are tested positive all of the time.
Thanks for watching and replying and good luck in these trying times!
One of the *MASSIVE* disadvantages is mentioned in the above video but passed off as almost inconsequential. 12:15 Sometimes you can loose up to 5psi a day from going tubeless with a tubed-intended rim, no matter how careful you are.
I would assume you wouldn't loose any air if you have sealant inside the tire.
You can use sealants in tubes also.
I put tubeless tires on my Trek Powerfly 5, which is a hard tail with 29 in tires. I appreciate the increased grip and smoother ride; however, I’d like to have studded tires for the winter but it’s a pain to switch tires.
Do u have any advice on how to remove your back tire to a ebike?
@@michaelvarguez953 Nope, I got the shop to do it. You have to have a special compressor if you’re using tubeless tires.
Good information, thanks! Hopefully your editor can fix the peaking audio and normalize it.
I have an e-bike with tubeless tires. I like them very much; however, I’d like to swap them out for studded tires in the winter but tubeless tires are a mess so I haven’t bothered.
I mean if you've got a spare set of rims, you make dedicate those to tubed tires, and swap em out in winter.
Your ebike's motor has probably reached it's full speed on flat surface, so getting tubeless wont improve this much.
But... Tubeless could potentially affect tire diameter
+ lower rolling resistance from lack of innertube, but Minus is micro resistance of sealant.
+ lower rotational mass, faster acceleration and breaking
+ lower overall ebike's mass, so faster on uphill
and If I'm not mistaken rolling ressistance is affected by weight, so 1-3% less rolling resistance just from lower gravitational force exerted on tire.
Like you said, lighter bike, more puncture resistant, less friction=power efficiency.
Only downside is compatibility, price, need for refill sealant sometimes and more frequent pumping.
Very helpful. I've changed lots of motorcycle tires and tubes, but going to a tubeless bike setup is new. I really like the suggestion of reinstalling the tube after applying the sealing tape. It is a small hassle, but it seems to be a very worthwhile upfront effort.
Regarding the air source, would CO2 cartridges provide enough of an air "rush" if one doesn't have a compressor? I may try it, but I suspect I need to either get a compressor or go somewhere that I can access one.
Most common in adventure bike guys going with tubeless tires. Those plugs saved my butt several times.
Awesome information
not sure if my ebike can go tubeless or not. if not, do you have any recommendations on keeping flats to a minimum? i run 26x4 tires on primarily an off trail hunting ebike. ive looked at tannus armour but that stuffs like a unicorn in the 26x4 size. ive also looked at mr tuffy liners and slime or a combination of the two. any input would be greatly appreciated. i really enjoy all your videos and how you explain things perfectly.
I swear by the solid tubes. stop a flat works good with a kenda 26 x 2.125 tire. this fat tire video is cool.
you should teach people how to shoot informational videos . you do a great job.
how about you weigh the tubes and not the bike?
Nice vid. Why did you leave the original rim ribbon in place and not remove it before applying the adhesive rim tape?
Great information. Can't wait for the bike to arrive. One question, if I am going to buy the Gorilla Tape, what size do you recommend for the Blackbird conversion, 4"?
Spend the extra money on the right tape! It's worth it!
@@mattspeerschneider8748 But why is Gorilla tape NOT the right tape?
Could you do one on the tyre pressure you use on the slicks?
Would you recommend taking a tube with you for a trail fix if the tubeless system fails? I would assume you could install the tube in case of emergency. New to biking in general and love you're educational videos. I wish I saw your channel before I bought a Himiway Cruiser. My next eBike will be a blackbird!
Just realized you answered this half way into your video... Awesome video, you're reading minds!
How do you know if you have tubeless ready rims?
My question would be concerning mag wheels which really should accept a tubless tire conversion. Have you ever tried this conversion?
What is funny about a tube tire the worse scenario is a spoke puncture which I had happen on a 26x2.125" tube. The tire had Green Slime in it and that sealant would
not seal against it. I removed the tube and use a wrap of black electrical tape around the rim and replaced the tube with a new tube that had the Green Slime in it.
I never had problems after that with the the rim and eventually went with mag wheels which have sealed bearings. This bike had a 212cc Predator engine on it and
a standard spoked wheel would never hold up under the power from this engine. A solution would be which is better is to go to motorcycle rims and DOT rated tires.
I would say that from my persoanal experience that the mag wheels with sealed bearings are a winner since I've ran this same bike over 3 years with no problems
with the tires except the rear tire wears faster than the front tire since some of the rural roads are chipped during the summer and believe it or not, the front tire
will probably last another year with well over 5k of miles on it.
Will the presta valve stem work on a schrader drilled rim, I’d really like to go tubeless
Would this affect regeneration ipas wise?
Loved it 😊
Batch 1 and 2, 24 inch shipped not tubeless ready. Does that mean November batch 3 is tubeless ready?
Hello Bolton ebikes, ive watched your recent video about Eunorau dual motor ebike. what im thinking is how bad is rolling resistance with two motors?
It shouldn't effect rolling resistance but it does weigh the bike down reducing range. I'm not particularly a big fan of dual hub motors personally. They do good for traction in a straight line but can get squirrely on turns, especially on slick terrain like wet roads or gravel. Essentially when you turn the wheel they become opposing forces and make it easier for your front tire to slip out from under you. If you are doing dual motors I would suggest a rear hub + mid drive setup.
If you put a solid tire on instead of air tires can you go farther with less energy. Thanks
Very informative. For me, it seems the benefit wouldn't be worth the trouble. Others might come to a different conclusion.
Hi, I wanted to ask if you have tried the Tannus tire armor before. And if so, do you recommend them for bikes and ebikes?
And I had one more question about this time I went to a trek bike shop, I asked them about the Tannus armor, not sure they new what I was referring to exactly, but they said those types of tire armor cause damage to your wheel rim in the long run. Wanted to ask about this too since I haven't heard the same thing from anyone else.
I 100% recommend Tannis Armor. Best defense against flats on the market and it even provides a more cushy ride after installed. 1,500 miles and zero flats. Even ran over some beer bottles by accident a couple times.
Btw I do trails and beach riding with my bike so it has been less than ideal riding conditions
Why ship with sealant , valves and not include the rim tape?
Still need to find a bike shop with the wide tape.
thanks for the info but im new to this . what happens if you get a flat on the trail with a tubeless tire
There are plugs for tubeless tires. :)
All the fat tires on my ebikes are pretty loose once on the rim, the tire can be mounted by hand no tool required. Vtuvia, Lectric, Himiway are all the same way. I don't think there would be a way to seat the tire without the tube. I put sealant in all the tires and had to lift the wheel off the ground so when tube filled up it seated the tire evenly.
You forgot to say, after installing the tape you need to make a hole where the valve is so the air can go through
If you forget to check tire pressure, it will get low and sealer leaks out.
You have to add more sealer, regularly because it dries out inside of tire.
If you lose pressure on ride, and bead separates from rim, you need special high volume air supply to refill.
You need special rims and tires.
To much hassle for me, will stick with tubes.
Several important steps were missed in this video. Rims should be cleaned with alcohol and a clean cloth before installing the tape. When installing the tape, pull tight to minimize air pockets and rotate wheel in the direction of travel. Apply 6" at a time and press out the air bubbles from the center to the edges. Start the tape opposite of the valve stem hole and overlap about 6" at the end. You also want tape about 5mm wider than the inner rim width so it goes up the edge a little on each side and can seat into the spoke channel. Cut excess tape from valve stem hole being careful not to damage tape inside the rim. The 4oz of sealant used in the video is not enough for a fat bike. Use 4 oz for MTB and 8 oz for full size fat tire.
Why don't you install a Schrader valve?
agree. presta valves suck big time.
Can a regular bike shop do this?
How do Tannus Armour inserts compare to tubeless?
1. With Tannus you have run flat ability.
2. Tannus is heavier.
3. Never had a flat with Tannus Armor. 1000+ miles now.
4. When your tire wears out you can move armor to your next set.
5. Tannus provides a softer ride. More "suspension" if you will.
6. Slime etc al in a regular tube gives equal "flat prevention.
If your getting snake bite flats or sliced valves you are running under pressure anyway. Stop it.
Good on a standard 29er or 27.5, on a fat tire it's more trouble than it's worth.
Another very good video. I'm not sure 'liquidy' is a real word though lol.
If it conveys his meaning and you are able to understand what he's saying then it is a real word.
All words are made up. Only wide spread acceptance makes them real.
Reducing friction...bWon't it impact suspension?
Hi, looks really cool I like that idea, been hearing about this a lot lately but I have a question for future references when I do get an ebike, if I were to decide to go tubeless and put the tire sealant in, how long does it last?
How often would you have to refill the sealant in the tires?
You shouldn't need to replace the sealant until you swap tires.
I hav heard, you need to add more, every few months, because it dries out over time.
you may not get any difference on top speed but runtime you may see a difference possible
Quick question would u rather change a tube on ur tire that only cost 5 bucks or change or buy another whole new tire that is worth 50 bucks or 100 bucks like the one u have
Inquiring minds want to know....what's your answer?
is the zooming in and out every other sentence something new?
Those jump cuts make the video almost impossible to watch. Great info in the video, but really, really bad editing.
My gosh, I didn't even notice he ever did this until you said something.. Now I am obsessed with watching this.. crap.
Yeah, this isn't the GodFather. KISS applies here.
Every other sentence would be bearable. He's cutting between every third word!
@@derekhunter5040 ok, can any of you show me one of your videos?
I have a 1000 watt mid drive fat tire bike i purchased from you. It is not tubeless ready what is my cheapest way to convert? I tried gorilla tape and green slime it leaked
I can't believe there's no puncture proof tires out there
It’s funny multiple reviewers of EBike say “ weight doesn’t really matter on an EBike “ head scratcher- if every component or add on was designed with weight reduction it might take weight off and increase your range-
It's more about the ride quality and flat prevention. Weight reduction is a nice by product. Weight's much less important on ebikes. Many people making the transition to having a motor on their bike have trouble with the paradigm shift.
Reduction of rotating mass improves handling a great deal. Losing 3 lbs in the wheels is far more valuable that 3 lbs less in the frame, seat, etc. He didn't address that, but improved handling, braking, and acceleration are the main benefits of dropping rotating mass.
This is awesome news. If you know where s 22"x1.75 let me know. Thanks
What happens when You remove the tube - - yes - - but then You add back in rim tape and sealant. How much weight are You now actually saving ??
Cool
I was wondering if any bike tire company has thought about incorporating spray insulation foam to tires? Just a thought…
Couldn’t you just weigh the tubes? I like the tubeless though. I have two blackbirds on the water. A 26 and a 24.
And old and new tires, tape and sealant.
Tubeless tyres are so much better. I like the fact that you can repair a flat without removing the wheel.
You can take her oodles from a bicycle and use it as a tubeless tire you just all you do is take the end and get it right at what the inches are supposed to be cut it off take a piece plug up the holes on each side glue them together wait till they dry and then put it in there and if you need any extra like green that green slime stuff you put it in there and it works as a and it's one of those oodles those that the baby swim on you know it's called the oodle you know it's what it is what it is and it's it's just anyway if food for thought you could try that on these tires that do not carry the all rubber tubes this is what one guy has came up with but I didn't get the end to see the end of his as far as him writing it to see if it worked but he'd made it looked pretty good to me from what I saw anyway could you try one of those thank you bye
It's really hard to read what you're saying because you use NO punctuation whatsoever!! Furthermore, it's actually "noodles" not "oodles"🤔
Please tell me where I can not buy this helmet!
Converting to tubeless usually means converting a non-tubeless rim/tire to be tubeless. You’re just doing what was intended for these being tubeless-ready.
ARE THERE TUBELESS READY TIRES SIZE 20''? CAN'T FIND ANY. ON EBIKES SMALLER IS MORE COMMON
Fast forward to 13:42 to get to the meat and potatoes answer.
I never watched the video but it goes without saying tubeless is the best.
The funniest thing ever one of my friends.
Bought a £3,000 bike in a shop.
The first thing he bought was inner tubes to put in because it was tubeless LOL 😂..
All he done is unbalanced the wheels and added more weight.
And now when he gets a Neil or something sharp in he's tyre.
He needs to push the bike home and fix the flat tyre LOL
Yeah I think you need at least 8oz of sealant, no way any puncture will get fixed with just 2oz on a 4in tire. Mountain bikes use at least 3-4 Oz for a 27in / 29in 2.3 wide tire.
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LOL ... Now you need to compare sew up tubular tires.
How do people get flat tires on their ebike.
I've had my ebike for almost 1 years now.
I ride it every single day.
When I built it I bought the cheapest tyre I could find =£9.50.
I've never ever had a flat tire front or back.
And it's very heavy
With two big battery packs
And 1000-watt gearless hub motor.
@Learn More stop running over those poor goats! What'd they ever do to you? 😂
I've had mine 3 yrs, no flats yet.
@Learn More Scientologists sacrificing goats everywhere?
Excellent video MB florida 33141
Thanks 👍
Rolling resistance is nothing, the energy needed to turn the lighter wheel from zero will be more important. Lighter wheels are one of the first things modified on cars for this reason.
nope, no way...sorry but gotta call you out on being able to run lower pressure in tubeless tires. tubeless and low pressure is bad because of the danger of popping the bead and dumping your air, tubes win this round EVERY time. If you hit something hard enough to "snake bite" the tube you probably would have blown the bead too. Ask anyone who plays in the sand or mud or races off road about this, Low pressure and tubeless equals flat tires. AND.....come on man, weighing two different bikes to make a weight saving claim? weak man, really weak. give us the actual weight of the tubes and the weight of the tape and any glues used to mount the tubeless tires....ACTUAL weights, not some mythical differences between different bikes when the bikes probably didn't weigh within the same to begin with. Sorry to rip into the video like this
YEP ! You are 100% correct. Kyle seems to come up with some really strange stuff at times.
@@specialist-in-tech I have heard other "bike" guy's say the same thing so I suspect it is coming from a tubeless bicycle tire manufacturer as a sales pitch.
i agree here. plus... how many cyclist have a high pressure, shock pump, compressor able to blast seal the tires onto the rims? cause a slow hand pump won't
After the big build up about speed and range, you went a little flat.
hahahaha! That's a good one
why not go all the way and get airless tires
You can get them but they are very bad compared to tubeless tyres with air
@@scottrocks1993 ok, why?
@@chrisrosenkreuz23 To answer the question: they are very unforgiving. You will have less rolling resistance and slightly more range because they don't conform to the ground, but you will also have a more bumpy ride and less traction for the same reason.
@@captaincaveman8532 huh, that is very interesting and worth considering. Cheers for the answer
YesSiRr!! All I need noW is an E-Bike!! Haha!! Hopefully a BoltoN..fiNgeRz kRoss'd. LoL!! Thankz 4 de tiPs &nd sharing Mate!!
No problem 👍
2 minutes in and the camera cuts back and forth ever 2 seconds are making me nauseous for some reason.
That was a very popular editing style that started like 5-7 years ago and people don't realize how annoying it is. I don't mind a video jump cut occasionally but every few seconds is overkill
Americans: let's make tires three times bigger than they sholud be, its cool! 👍
Now, lets find the way to make them lighter?
Perhaps
Tubeless is a good option for E bikes but telling people it’s going to make it faster and give them more range is nonsense! You’re talking about under 5 pounds and that is not going to affect the range or top speed in any significant way. I think tubeless is a great option but simply to avoid flats. Now on a regular mountain bike going tubeless making it slightly lighter actually will help you but not compared to a heavy fat tire bike. Come on dude let’s inform people with truth and not sugarcoat it.
Edit:
As an example I weigh 180 pounds and the top speed of my 2000w E bike is 40mph. When my girl rides my bike which only weighs 130 pounds it doesn’t affect the top speed or range at all and that’s a 50 pound difference!
yeah, and TRULY should only do it if you have tubeless ready rims. Period. Lot of scary stuff this guy talks about.
Do not waste your time and money with the gorilla tape on sun ringle mulefuts. Go ahead and spend the money on the sun ringle tape. I wish somebody would have told me this
Tubeless for fat tires is pointless, way more trouble than it's worth. They almost never get flats, if your under 15 psi.
Ridiculous video. Why not just weigh the tubes individually to come up with the weight savings. Saving three pounds and constantly losing air is not an advantage. Three pounds is hardly perceptible on an ebike. My wife weighs less than I do and we can both go the same speed and have the same endurance on our class 2 ebikes. You can fix a tube flat without having to take the tire off the rim. Also putting run flat or slime in a tube is a lot less messy when it’s in a tube than when it’s in a tire when you need to take the tire off the rim.
How bout we just delete all talks of 1 or 2 lbs on an ebike being even slightly relevant...
KYLE YOU DARLING CLOWN YOU, OTHER WAYS TO CHECK WEIGHT LOSE...WEIGH THE TIRE BEFORE AND AFTER, USE A HANGING BIKE SCALE, OR JUST WEIGH THE FRIGGING INNER TUBES...HAHAHA NO LET'S WEIGH THE FRONT HALF, NOW LET'S WEIGH THE BACK HALF...GET OUTTA HERE!!!👎🏾🙈😷
I love your work, your bikes, your knowledge BUT, please don't edit videos like this. The zoom-in/zoom-out switching even mid sentence is wrong, annoying and is evidence of poor editing skills.
Let's turn to God Theseasonorg explains the whole bible God bless.
Tubeless tyres for clincher wheels makes no sense. What would make sense are Tubeless tyres for tubular wheels. Think about it folks…….
Why not weigh yourself pick up the bike
Weigh you and the bike and subtract your weight
Easy and more accurate.
Thanks for the great video
Tubeless is in its future 🙌
You could have just weighed yourself holding each bike!