Too many cars 1956/car dumping 1963 (Pathe)
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- Опубліковано 16 лют 2021
- a couple of Pathe shorts stitched together here , the first part about the glut of cars waiting unsold in 1956, a prewar MG reduced to £10 to clear anyone interested, a newish ford popular £100 , the second about people abandoning scrap cars, an interesting insight into the past.
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In 1966 - I could have purchased a running 8 litre Bentley from a scrap yard in Stafford for £50 - Father said you not dumping that on me whilst your away working so someone else got a nice bargain...
That beautiful 1955 Oldsmobile - yes please!
The telling comment was that due to the credit squeeze, people could no longer afford to pay the high prices being asked for new cars.
Here in Italy nowadays' hard to find abandoned cars. In 1979-80 and then in 1987-88 here, price of scrap metal went wild and everybody would take abandoned cars for free and take them to the crusher claiming them as theirs. Anyway, digging deep in our country you can still find some hidden gems. I remember to see a 1952 Alfa Romeo 900 COE Truck abandoned in a farm in Emilia-Romagna, and a 1947 Oldsmobile Dynamic Cruiser in another site of ruins in the middle of the country around the Delta of River Po (Southeastern Veneto). I'm planning to go and get them, to bring them back to life. Saw also a 1967 Chevrolet Camaro RS350 in an abandoned villa somewhere in Italy, in a UrbEx video posted last autumn. Begged the explorers for more infos about the location but they kept silence. I'm gonna make 'em talk, because I WANT THAT CAR. Sad we slipped from legends like the Austin Sheerline to Toyota Prius'
Buona fortuna amico.
@@grumpyoldman3458 Grazie!
How I miss that Pathe sarcasm.
Exactly the same happened with the British Motorcycle industry. I remember when the Honda Benley's arrived about 1961, people laughed at them with their pressed steel forks and unusual styling. Just a few years later and you couldn't give away a British bike.
You can give me as many '59 Triumph Bonnevilles, BSA goldstars, Velocette thruxtons as you want.
A pal of mine bought a Bonneville uprated it to 750cc and fitted it into a Norton featherbed frame, he took me for a spin one day wound it up to maximum, , bloody terrifying
Amazing what bad management can cause.
@@gustavmeyrink_2.0 It wasn't so much bad management as lack of investment in industry after the war. Everything was worn out and it was "Make do and mend".
@@roeng1368 management includes updating machinery in time.
And just a few short years prior, everyone was scratching and scraping for materials to support the war effort.
I believe this was post war.
@@peterwilliamson8721 do you know the the word PRIOR?....and this isn't the USA, it's in Europe, note the Lira
My Mum had a Standard 10. She lent it to a friend to take her mum out in..... who promptly wrote it off. She said a tree had walked out in front of her. There was time in hospital, but everybody went home thankfully.
The single most depressing thing I've ever seen on UA-cam!
Yes indeed
Drink lots of water....A half glass every waking hour for a week.... then go to a glass every waking hour....in another week or two you’ll be okay. To hell with all those laxatives.
They said there was a good market for scrap rubber, now we have to pay to get rid of it, and scrap metal is worth something now but not then.
When ever I see these Pathe shorts or Public Service films from the 50's and 60's that involve cars, I always go to You Gov to check the number plate. I have only once found a current car still existing today that was on a film from the 1960's. That was a Triumph 2000. As for that Mark V Jag at 2:18, and the Mark VII at 2:27, heart breaking, :((
So many expensive and desirable machines amongst these...there's even a barely 5 year old Vauxhall that's completely rusted out.
Fortunately, they don't build them like they used to.
@@CaptHollister LOL!
The Victor's rust reputation was deserved, but it was a nice looking car.
Yep, thats the trouble, they never had rust protection but it worked pre 1950s because the metal was so thick. after that they just got thinner and thinner to the point where theyre nearly rusting in the showroom. Quite a few of the cars in this video are over 30 years old too. not something you see now
A lot of these vehicles rusted out shortening their life span considerably. I am a Brit residing in Arizona and purchased a new Honda 28 years: still runs and not a spot of rust!
Yes it's amazing how rust proofing has improved over the years......a long time coming though
The first Datsuns (Nissans) could have won a world championship for rusting. Brilliant mechanically, but the rust was unreal.
After spending weeks at sea on an open deck couldn't of helped
Its a shame to see that many cars that were in still good condition got scrapped. They didn't even think on removing parts to repair or replace on cars that were still on the road.
As a child I lived by the A3 and on the service road by the playing fields there would always be a car or two slowly being stripped out, great fun for kids.
We used to find them everywhere, the woods, even the golf course, the local tip that was intended for general rubbish they would be found there, eventually the council set up a breakers yard right next to the tip, that spoiled our fun, no more cars to wreck
Ford pop for £99. Yes please, I'll have them all. Little did they know what some of these cars are worth today.
It's interesting to think for a moment about "little did they now they'd be an interesting car in the future". What do we have now that almost no one will preserve. Lots of the luxury cars are on leases that see them abused and uncared for. How many common cars will go the way of the crusher when petrol and diesel starts to be scarce.
I am currently considering buying a "last of the petrols" to baby and keep. Diesels might be the way to go on preservation too, since you can fairly easily make a half way decent fuel in a chemistry set.
0:44 a functioning pre-war car for a tenner!
Those where the days
worth a few Bob now 😋
Imagine finding classic cars like that abandoned nowadays
This happened in the United States as well in the 1950s and 60s. Today dumping a car in a body of water is a big-time no-no on this side of what Brits call "The Pond." Chemicals -- anti-freeze, motor oil, automatic transmission fluid (most Americans want nothing to do with manual transmissions), power steering fluid, brake fluid and gasoline are all considered pollutants.
I want one, but last time I needed a car I couldn't even FIND one!
No wonder my friend said it’s getting harder and harder to find spare parts for his classic cars.😢😥
what some of those cars would be worth today. That old Jag and the Morris oxford.
Looks like the car park at the hospital for staff.
The fact that so few have survived is the reason for the prices achieved today. I can remember when a used E type could be bought for a few hundred Pound.
I wish I had that lovely old Jaguar that was dumped in a field - worth a bit now even in that state
Breaks my heart, im a jag man and always wanted a mk7,8 or 9 !
Some of those dumped cars were only 6 years old at most , e.g. the Vauxhall Victor. The rest mainly 10 to 15 years old. Just shows how better cars last today...
Q: Barnfind?
A: No! streetfind.
3:45 Dumps the car with number plates on.
*Now that's a brainer...*
I don't think the record keeping of ownership back then was as good as it is today, so easier to get away with.
We used to drive around with no tax or even a licence in those days let alone put a car in your own name lol
@@chubbyroyston3880 Guinness labels made good tax discs.
@@rogerbarton497 Unlimited supply here in Ireland.
@@johnlavery6116 LOL 😆
I predict our next problem will be how to dispose of enormous numbers of knackered electric vehicle battery packs. There will be a fortune to be made in recycling and disposal of them.
Hotrods everywhere
Love to have any of those junkers now ! Great vid lol
Thank you I'm glad you enjoyed it
I bought a 1960 jaguar mk2 for £65 in the seventies . It just needed the brakes doing and it ran realy well ! A year later the back axle went and I sold it for spares for £25 !
I can't believe it how easily people were leaving their beautiful cars that time. If they only knew the cars would be classics one day, they probably didn't abandon them at all. The prices were so low for a second hand cars. I guess the salaries were a bit lower as well, compering to today's incomes.
Notice that all the workers at the Standard factory came out on foot, that says something.
I see the F Type Victor didnt have a long life They did have serious rust issues
My dad had a wyvern for a while, traded it in for a Victor it was a rot box, had a hole in the front wing you could get your hand through
I thought the same thing!
@@jackflashvintagemotoring7586 I think they used cheap American steel in the late 50s and early 60s vauxhalls.
@@jamescourt4703 yes you might have something there I think the steel got thinner too
@@jamescourt4703 I thought it was steel from China they used!
unsold standard 8 and 10's at the start...standard was gone after 1963...standard/triumph was the company and they reckoned the triumph name was more marketable...
I saw some cars dumped, locally, as late as 1971-1972
I seem to remember a spate of car dumping in the 1980s steel prices went though the floor it cost more to collect a car than the scrap value
@@jackflashvintagemotoring7586 Cool videos! Will spent my afternoon watching...
@@900108Chale thanks Freddy, glad you enjoyed them, keep looking in
A lot of the old Morris ended up in India and rebadged "Ambassador" used as taxi's and government "official" cars. Fast forward to 2021 and those dumped old bombs would be worth a pretty penny today even partially restored!
I think Morris shipped the tooling to India no charge, much the same way Austin did with the A40 tooling sent to Japan, I'm sure I read that somewhere.
@@jackflashvintagemotoring7586 Thanks Jack, I enjoyed riding around in the Ambassador during my times in India. Still some running around even today but very few.
The Indian,s are a clever resorseful lot, if it works well to hell with out of date looks, I bet they are not using Morris engine, now though. They did the same with the royal Enfield motor cycle. I think they are still making them, well they where the last I looked.
This is the link to Austin cars in Japan, interesting reading
www.austinmemories.com/styled-11/index.html
@@jackflashvintagemotoring7586 I saw a 2022 Royal Enfield last week so they are still being made.
Yes indeed, I saw one at a rally a few years back
Those old English cars were worth very little, anyway -- esp. postwar. Very small engines, no convenience options to speak of, styling 15 years behind the times, and Lucas electrics. Most were like toys when compared with American cars in the same price classes. If their market hadn't been heavily protected by tariffs and horsepower taxes, it would have vanished except for RR, Jaguar, MG, and Land Rover. The whole Rootes Group family would have been gone.
we used to say horse power drives you along the flat torgue gets you up the hills. i new a huilier who used to tow his tk bedford trucks home if they broke down with his rootes group
humber super snipe in the 60ts i used to see at silverstone race track 3'8 jaguars in front of these big ford galaxy with the little mini coopers sitting on the arse of these big ford galaxy
in the corners ,its said when ford saw this they said we will need a 7ltre engine to beet the jaguars , perhaps why they bought the jaguar company ithink it was coswoth in the end that gave ford the engine the needed
Laughable to compare American cars with their appalling cornering and brakes to anything British or European.
It was what the public wanted post war plain simple cars just to get from A to B, the shout then was export or die, in the late forties early fifty's you where lucky to get a car as most went abroad, by the time this film was made a recession had set in, also let's not forget the size of our roads compared to USA
@@jackflashvintagemotoring7586 Oh, and here's a great idea: let's not make undercoating standard equipment -- in a country where it often rains 5 times per day. Brit car industry was hobbled by the same force that killed off Studebaker here -- featherbed union contracts that inflated the cost of labor and diminished productivity. Both squeezed profits, ultimately to a point below below the red line, and robbed the company of cash it could have used to refresh the line (retool) more often.
@@roberthaworth8991 yes good point about undersealing, it was an extra, and in a country that salts the roads, so many more might have survived , union power in Britain became unbearable , there wasn't a day went by without some car company shut down by strikes, ford at Dagenham had a terrible union and management problem , British Leyland always seemed to be on strike.
This breaks my hart
I'm crying
I was two years old when this was Made it is the same these days You can’t give the cars away they last longer than use to So why buy a new one
The age expectancy of prewar cars was 10 years they where still running in the 50s no underseal but solid chassis, the post war cars where mainly using monocoque construction , so body rust undermined the structural strength but no undersealing done unless you paid extra. So the life span of post war cars was less than the prewar. A recipe for disaster for the owner, a big money spinner for the manufacturer.
Are you pissed or something? What are you trying to say?
Horrified at the sheer waste & pollution and people's appalling behaviour, at least now the most dumped items on streets are xmas trees, so perhaps some things have improved?
As a kid at that time I remember it well, we thought it was great, somewhere to play at driving like kids do, I even remember finding cars in the woods around my area, the more responsible owners would bring them to the local rubbish dump, where they would inevitably be burned and buried along with the general rubbish, there's an industrial estate on that site now those cars are in the foundation's no doubt.
Nothing has really changed. The arsehole who used to dump cars now dumps washing machines, deep freezers, settees, building waste, etc. You still see people flick cigarette ends, crisp packets, sweet wrappers on our streets. The really greedy corporate bastards are also in on fly tipping. Trafigura, a large, well known company sent toxic waste to the the Ivory Coast because it was too expensive to properly deal with it in Europe. And don’t get me started about the filth that is called “travelling community.”
Have you seem Man by Steve Cutts? Yep capitalism has a very very ugly side.
The difference these days is that you dont have to pay (or you even get paid) to get rid of your old cars, washing machine, electronics etc. Its then shipped off to some 3rd world country to get stripped for valuable materials by £3 per month workers. All the same mess, its just on a street 3000 miles away instead.
Those Jags!
And if those 'new' cars were preserved and, be offered at those same prices, after factoring in inflation; mark me words, they'd be sold out with a few days.
As I see it today the value of prewar cars is much higher than those made in the '50 and '60. Actualy the cars made after the war are rubish.
Prewar motors are fewer in number although they still turn up , post war , well from what I remember lack off underbody protection saw many to the scrap yards , it was extra in those days. The youngsters see cars from the 80s and 90s as being more desirable anything older is antique to them.
@@jackflashvintagemotoring7586
And I am the kid of the '80 and I have three french cars from '67 '72 and '74 (1×R16 and 2×R12). And I am aiming a Mercedes 170V from '39. I am in discussions with the owner. I have rented that car at my weding. The kids from today do not have the skils to maintain and understand cars older than 1990. Maybe I am wrong...
@@MG-iv3lp now as I'm a lot older than you I see memory's in the old timers, in the same way you feel about the later cars, it's what dad might have driven taking us on holiday, it's all about memory's.My daily drive is a 1984 ford escort, I get stopped regular by folk asking if I want to sell and in some cases offering silly money, each to their own I says
I think the rot set in (literally) in the mid 1950s when monocoques were taking over from chassis, and cars for the masses were built down to a price.
Yes absolutely, if rot sets in on a car body with separate chassis it's not a structural problem but on monocoque it's fatal
Everyone saying all those car are worth this and that now, they were scrap then and if everyone kept every old car for ever they wouldn't be rare,and wouldn't be worth anything
Bullshit!
Mr. Ford noticed similar problems with his workers (wages had become so low they couldnt afford to buy what they were producing) I noticed the workers were riding bicycles, Mr. Ford could have fixed this problem
He did. Ford jobs were some of the best paid jobs. And god help you if you parked at work in anything not a Ford! (Sorry, Ford US)
0:45, so what you are saying is nothing changed since.
My mothers first car was a Standard 8 The y were so mean with accessories, it did't even have a boot! Horrible car.
I think they where marketed as an austerity car absolutely basic, it saved money to make em without a boot lid. I think you folded down the back seat for access
Gone in 60 seconds
If only people who dumped their garbage everywhere were hunted down like the guy at the end of the video.
Was this when Britain was great?
Yes it was, the problem was new and the public needed putting right! Looking at how things are now I would go back any day.
It wasn't just here it was worldwide
I clicked on this video thinking “oh a report about selling import cars at below cost” but no. Literally dumping cars off a cliff 🤦
2:28 Is that a BMW? ...
Ford Popular
Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!
0:32 Beautiful '54 Oldsmobile
A 1955 but by the windshield they didn’t know what it was.
REGARDING VINTAGE CARS WHAT IT NEEDS IS FOR CHINESE TO MAKE PERFECT REPRODUCTIONS OF THE ORIGINALS, UPDATED SLIGHTLY BRAKES ETC, THEN SIT BACK AND WATCH THE VALUE DIMINISH OF ORIGINALS
I TOTALLY AGREE SIR YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD SCREWED ON OK, BUT I WOULD ALSO MAKE REPRODUCTIONS OF THE VINCENT MOTORCYCLE AND WATCH THE OWNERS CRY
Not sure about that. I collect vintage audio gear and the Chinese actually do make replicas of that. But the genuine stuff is always worth more. Looking the same, even functioning better, doesn’t trump authenticity. That always carries a premium.
I bet $10 the last story was staged.
Will anyone contest?
Yes I think your right, but it wasn't uncommon to get prewar cars for less than that in those days
In 1967 my Dad bought a Ford Popular for £5. Then another fiver for parts from the local breakers to get it through the new MOT test, so £10 for a runner isn't that unlikely.
@@grumpyoldman3458 My dad`s first car was a Pop and that was also bought for a fiver off mate.
Where do we dump the excess PEOPLE ?
Same place, in the river.
Milton Keynes
Germany tried that in the forties.
We have to think green and compost them!!!!!!!!!!
@@levelcrossing150 Yes, soylent green.
Spoiling these beauties.
Actually, considering the shocks to manufacturing at the time; not surprising. Stalin died in 1956, so such nonsense expected.
*1953
Ozone hole 🕳
M8
Disgraceful