Shooting Shaved Webley Revolvers (w/ Steinel Ammo)
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Steinel Ammunition has started making a rather niche new product, but one that I think is quite convenient: .45 ACP downloaded to .455 Webley pressure. This is for use in Webley revolvers that were shaved to use moon clips and .45 ACP when they were imported. This is a common modification done by importers back when proper .455 Webley ammunition was very hard to find; by converting the guns to .45 ACP they became much easier to sell (a similar thing was done with .380 ACP barrels in Husqvarna M1907 9x20 SR pistols). However, standard .45 ACP ammunition is equivalent to .455 Webley proof loads, and it's not safe to shoot it. So historically, the shaved Webley revolvers have been shootable (safely) only for handloaders. Steinel's new offering gives people a factory-made option that can be safely shot right out of the box.
Disclaimer: Steinel sent me a box of this ammo for free. I'm doing a video because I think it's an excellent thing to have on the market, not because I can be bribed for $39.99 ;)
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When I was a child (circa 1955-6) my father gave me a deactivated Webley as a toy gun. I could blast off about 15 toy pistol caps simultaneously under the hammer. I lost my
"In the house carry" privileges after demonstrating a fast draw for my younger sibling. On the draw, I lost control of the heavy pistol, which sailed past my Mother's head & made a divot in the wall. After that, it was Dodge City, check all guns at the door.
Hah hah hah ....... so well written!. An illiad good Sir.
Better culture. Any enthusiasm around guns has villainous connotations nowadays
America used to be cool, you were one of the luckier generations when it comes to the culture you were surrounded in growing up lol
@@Therealguymins It had good points, but honestly, if I was able to send you back there, you would be begging to return within the day.
You actually don't know how good you have it.
Yeeps! My Mom cousin had one and let me play with it all day once at their house. No cap gun, but fun to practice the half moon clip reloading.
3:27 I totally expected a British epithet before each trigger pull... "Have at you!" BANG "Run, Rapscallion!" BANG "Back, you Poltroon!" BANG "Take that, Hornswaggler!" BANG "You pigeon-livered cove!" BANG "You sir, are a Cad!" BANG
TALLYHO!
Damn your eyes, sir! You are no gentleman, if you mock us so.
More whisky in my Tea Batman . ( Batman was sort of officers servant)
I'm not his skains-mate! I'm not his flirt-gill!
Neat. Although I'll never own a Webley, shaved or otherwise, I love that a company would make such ownership easier in this way.
It's kind of depressing for me watching FW videos because I know I'll never get to see them in-person, much less own one; meanwhile the few friends I had who did own firearms featured on FW have been gone for a long time (along with their collections). And some episodes I can't even watch because of the bad memories & being reminded of lost opportunities. So in a way watching FW is kinda masochistic, but Ian somehow makes it hurt better lol.
Webley had nothing whatsoever to do with the conversions. The conversions were done long after they were manufactured - they were WWII surplus, by and large.
@@chuckschillingvideos Okay, and where did I say they did? Or are you disputing that a shaved Webley is still a Webley?
@@anon_y_mousse ok, after rereading your post I understand now. I initially you were referring to Webley modifying these revolvers but now that I've reread it it's clearer to me that you're referring to Steinel for making the ammo. My mistake and apologies.
“Shaving my Webley” sounds like some British adult website search…
Oh' matron ! (Those who know carry on films)
@@cedhome7945 titter ye not.
Aww, mate.
i wonder how many guys immediately typed that into search.
@@davidkermes376 I was tempted, but I'm honestly afraid of what the results would be.
I bet Webley ownership has gone up since Peaky Blinders started
People own more 100 year old revolvers than they did before Peaky Blinders? Where were they before?
@@durayenterprisesllc4440he means as in theyve become more desirable
@@durayenterprisesllc4440 I think he meant price.
There's certainly a lot more Lewis guns being concealed carried...😊
Someone ought to make Webley repros for that market. By Order of the Peaky Blinders
The webley still looks badass even in a modern pistol case, really an iconic style.
If you load a replica of the Webley bullet, in an Auto Rim case, it really looks "appropriate".
Shaved Webley would be a killer band name .
Webleys look SO good, top class.
what a beautiful pair of Webley revolvers
Beautiful and Webley are mutually exclusive terms. That said, Webleys are great revolvers, inargueably one of, if the most robust of that era's military revolvers,.
In Australia we have these places called RSL (Returned Servicemen’s League) Clubs, to honour our ANZACs, and the ones out in country towns usually have cabinets in the front with all of the soldiers gear and weapons of various conflicts from The Boer War to early Vietnam. I used to spend hours looking at those displays
3:33 Those bullets are so slow you can see that one leave the barrel.
Edit: Actually at 4:02 you can see just about every round in flight.
It's amazing, if you pause the video and press the , or . key you can go frame by frame.
I guess the conditions are ideal as it's such a bright day the camera's digital sensor may only sample for a very brief period so the bullet isn't a faint smear.
wow that’s incredible. Pretty sure those are in the range of some of the faster air soft fps ranges lol
Yes, what is the deal with those loads? The 455 throws a 265 grain slug somewhere in the neighborhood of 600-650d fps. I load my Auto Rim cases with a replica Webley bullet to 650-675fps.The ACP cases I load a 230 grain lead bullet over the same charge, don't remember the velocity.
@@kneyork9930 What's weird is I looked up the actual Fiocchi .455 Webley he's shooting and it's even hotter than the regular .45 ACP he said not to shoot in a shaved Webley, that's why it kicked so hard.
@@hornmonk3zit I suspect the issue is pressure curve, not the muzzle velocity.
I owned a shaved Webley some years ago, I fired .45 Auto Rim cartridges in it, never fired regular.45acp. It was a great gun. Wish I still had it.
I have such a revolver; 'shaved' Webley. I am familiar with the pressure difference from the .455 Webley to the .45 ACP.
My solution is to use .45 AutoRim cases.
The Webley cartridge is (Cartridges of the World) a 260 grain bullet at a muzzle velocity of 600 fps. I find the .45 Colt 'standard' lead bullet (from several manufacturers) of 255 grains quite satisfactory and I load it with Unique or Power Pistol - slower than Bullseye and therefore less a shock - to 600 fps.
Actually the Steinel loading seems quite useful as a 'buy and shoot' answer to those who do not reload. And I agree .45 AR brass is not found everywhere. However, the shaved Webley I have (with bird's head shaped grip and four inch barrel, which I understand to be an 'early' version) likes it quite well.
whats your load data for power pistol?
@@kevinforget549 As noted, I use the .45 Colt 255 grain SWC lead bullet. Use Power Pistol powder under the assumption the slower powder provides a softer thump than the faster. I find no 'manual' listing for the round, so I decided it would be better ro match the velocity of the original - that should match (more or less) the internal cartridge pressure (he said).
I found 4 grains gave me a chronographed velocity of 510 FPS; 4.5 grains showed 553.9 FPS, then 5.0 grains my notes show no velocity for the 5.0 grain load, but it shoots to the sights does not seem to recoil overmuch and the fired cases (.45 AutoRim) come out with no hesitation.
Of course, this is the revolver I have. It is marked Webley and has the chamber proof marks. It is a bird's head grip, four inch barrel and is what I take to be the early revolver.
Other than the shaved cylinder, rust and what appears to be a scrubbing with steel wool to remove some of the rust, it looks original. Still has the black plastic (Gutta Percha?) original grips. I do not shoot this revolver often, more as an intellectual exercise.
This loading information works - so far - in the revolver I have. It has not been reviewed anywhere. I cannot be responsible for your revolver or your loading. Use caution and work up.
As always, should you or any of your IM Force be caught or killed, the Secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions. (That's an age test.)
I have two "Webleys" first one is a actual webley the second is a Bobbed Tanker Enfield. Both in 38 S&W. I was naive when i bought the first thinking 38S&W was 38 Special
As much as i see people talk about and shoot their revolvers, it Would be interesting to see a discussion and maybe even shooting gel with the different Webley cartridges. Like the longer black powder Mk I, the “man stopper” Mk III hollow point and the Mk IV wadcutter.
'Darling! Come hither! I have shaved my Webley!
Always a pleasure listening to a real expert on his subject. Many thanks.
Another one to watch out for is the Enfield revolver rechambered to use 38spl. Like this one, that's going well over the pressure levels it was designed for and more than a few have blown up. I've heard that some Webley's in 38/200 have been rechambered similarly. You can safely use the 38S&W in those which was readily available when those guns were surplussed and imported which always left me wondering why anyone would rechamber these, but they did. The ones I've seen were unmarked; you have to inspect the chamber depth to ascertain if it's been so altered.
An easy way to also determine an uncut webley is that there will be markings on the back surface of the cylinder. If it's been shaved, it won't have those markings.
The friend who got me into shooting was a Webly lover and had several in .455, until the Dunblaine firearms ban, I hope his made it overseas rather than the furnace where my .38 Webly Mk3 ended up , as it wasn't considered historically important
I had always wanted to fire a Webley but never got the chance. When I was a young Army Reserve officer one of my duties as orderly officer was doing an armoury check. This was a 100% check of everything held in the armoury of an infantry battalion. The second in command had three personal Webleys stored in the armoury including a Fosberry (this was well before the handgun ban in the UK). The first time I saw them I thought I can finally get my hands on not just one but three..but attached to each revolver was a ticket saying words to the effect of 'Not to be handled during armoury inspections'. I have to say I ignored this and finally got to handle the beautiful Webleys (sorry sir!).
Steinel makes a trapdoor Springfield safe load that isn’t crazy expensive that shoots wonderfully through my rifle. Fun to shoot with my modern lever guns as well.
You should do a special episode on Bannerman. The first guy to sell military surplus. Look for some of those Bannerman specials. Enfield Mauser combo rifles. The catalogs are amazing.
it cool to see the bullets for a frame as they leave the gun at these slow speeds
I always shave my Weblys, it gives me a sense of freedom!
a great very interesting video and revolver Mr.GJ.happy the father's day have a good one Mr.
I accidentally bought a shaved Webley a few years back at a gunshow. I was so annoyed when I got home ... stupidly I didn't know ahead of time that shaved ones were out there and I ended up selling it a couple months later at a loss just because I wasn't into hand loading. It's nice that Steinel is doing these loads for those who have these.
I get a chuckle when you see the round going down range with out slow motion.
Steinel is a pretty cool company! I have bought from them in the past when I owned a Carcano and recently when I bought a Schmidt-Rubin
Somewhere in my random bags of ammo I have some of the old .45 "Auto Rim". Maybe one day Ian can touch on the genesis of that round.
Thanks for the video and the good information on the Steinel ammo loaded for the Webley. I have been loading 45 Auto for the Webley, but it's good to be able to order ammo for it. Steinel ships fast too. I ordered the ammo on Monday and it arrived on Tuesday. My Garmin clocked the bullets at less than 550 FPS. That's just about the same as my reloads. But the shipping was fast.
I can only imagine the wierd, wonderful things to be found in Ian's ammo closet.
Thanks Ian! I'm a bit of a Webley fan, but I've shied away from buying a shaved revolver in 45acp because of the pressure issues.
And I don't like altered stuff (don't try to sell me an old car with a new LS engine)
Reminds me of the time Jonathan Ross told us how he once _saved Wembley._
It was lots easier to get 45 auto rim than 455 Webley in the 90's and I loved the convince of full moon clips. Half moons, not as much as many of the surplus clips I could find were bent moon shape in more ways than one.
Very useful for those of us with antiques. Thank you!
Well now, that's interesting. I knew that importers in the '60s diggered up the version of the S&W Victory made for Britain in .380 Revolver (basically .38 S&W) with 5" barrels, and reamed them to accept .38 Special cartridges. Butcher jobs, as the chamber diameters are too big for the .38 Special and can't support it properly. But I was unaware of these mods to the .455s.
I have a .455 ones, a Webley-Green Target from the late 1890s, but I'll have to check if it's been modified in the past century. If it is I can finally shoot it. (I'm in bloody goddamn Massachusetts and can't just order specialty ammo from out-of-state suppliers.) Now I just have to remember where I put my stash of full-moon clips.
Very informative, thanks.
Do you still have your Webley?
Ian, starting at about 02:33 in this video:
*_"...in fact it's probably not going to blow it up all that often..."_*
*_"Unfortunately, that sounds a little like famous last words."_*
- 2OO1: A SPACE ODYSSEY [1968] 😊
Very interesting. I've heard the .45 ACP was too high pressure, but that was the first blown cylinder I've ever seen. Colt chambered their New Service for .455 Eley, which was for all practical purposes, the same power as .455 Webley. I almost bought one of these that was shaved, but when I went back to that gun shop a week later, it was sold.
I still have an Australian property marked 1917 dated Mk VI that i bought about 30 years ago. It's one of the shaved guns...in all those years I've never bothered to shoot it because i didn't want to damage it with modern .45 loads. Good to hear there's some options now.
Nice! Good to see there is safe ammo for this more available now.
Luckily, I have an MKV (1914) and an MKVI (1918) still in the original 455 Webley. I also have over 2,000 rounds of Fiocchi 455 that I got a great deal on a few years ago.
I feel like we missed out on Ian dual wielding them
I got a Webley Greener that was converted to 45LC. 😎
🇬🇧 A excellent film well worth watching.
I had a shaved webley. I didn't know you needed to download. I guess i got lucky.
Me too
Same!
that blown out cylinder looked gnarly, but it was likely a hotly or just slightly hotly loaded enough .45acp to cause it to fail
normal 45 is way over pressure it doesn't have to be hot 45 over time @@gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew1730
@@gfhrtshergheghegewgewgew1730 Probably metal fatigue, as Ian says it's like every round is a proof round.
I bought an odd-ball Webley's Mk. VI pattern, but made post-war in the 20's and labeled as an Enfield. It was partially shaved, so it wouldn't take .455 Webley's cartridges reliably, and it wouldn't fit either 45 ACP on moon clips or 45 auto rim. It's collector's value was ruined by still not a shooter. Rather than shave the cylinder down any further, I had my local gunsmith reem the chamber a little longer so that it would take 45 Schofield cowboy cartridges. The fit and fire perfectly, and they are the right pressure range for the gun.
This video about the Shaved Webley was sponsored by Manscaped, keep your piece clean.
A 45 GSP case is the same size as a 455 case. I load using it and 455 data. This way I came keep the ammo separate. Good video thanks.😢
I've peened rims on *empty* .45ACP brass for my Webleys. Use a 1/4" steel drift. anvil-type surface and a hammer to create/knock a series of flattened projections around the circumference - sufficient for extraction, hammer strike and for the reloading press to function. Don't look pretty but they work.
45 ACP was already low velocity to begin with, but these rounds are apparently slow enough to show up in a couple frames on your camera.
460fps? Dang that's light.
Meters would be a more common spec
No fun
You can sometimes see the bullet leaving the muzzle when he shoots lol
To be fair, you can still watch them fly downrange even at full velocity (625FPS). I bet the 262gr bullet would still pass through and through the average human even at 430 FPS
Heavy fat and slow
Instead of punching a hole like getting hit with a baseball bat
I have very distinct and fond memories from childhood of a Shaved Webley, had ports drilled laterally in the barrel forward of the forcing cone and the ammo was Remington surplus steel case thompson ammo in half moon clips, at night it was epic with all the ports and gaps venting bright purple flame. Cant for the life of me remember who had it or what happened to it but i remember those flames.
It probably blew up. :)
SMG ammo is generally higher pressure than hangin ammo so it probably didn’t have a good fate.
@@baneofbanes Ran fine, later used same ammo in my 1911's, all 3 survived for resale with no issues.
@@BK45AUS yah doesn’t change the fact you ran a bunch of overpowered ammo through the gun dude. That’s how you now up guns. It may “appear fine” but it can stress out the metal over time.
@@baneofbanes Yeah i know, was saying at that time they showed no signs of extra wear, all three went on to be destroyed by the Govt so they didn't get a chance to KB.
I saw one of these for sale once and I salivated, I was on a kick for moonclips and vintage guns at the time. The store owner fudd told me that you can fire regular off-the-shelf .45 ACP out of these just fine. I pressed X to doubt and passed on that gun, since it would be too expensive for me to reload at the time, but boy a top break was lucrative... not lucrative enough at $650+ the cost of a whole reloading setup, when I just wanted to make lead go downrange. 1911 never leaves me unsatisfied!
230gr at 480fps is wild though. Very underpowered cartridge
I have a Webley MKIV war finish in the .38/200 and sourcing ammo is a pricy endeavor. It’s either Steinel where it’s $1 per round or from Matt’s bullets where it’s $3 less per box. I ordered a box from Matt’s to make sure the revolver fired but 7/50 were dud rounds. Overall it’s an awesome gun and a centerpiece of my collection but it’s primarily a safe queen due to ammo being pricy. Planning to order from Steinel soon to pickup 3 boxes of ammo for it so I can show it off to some friends 😂
I was the proud possessor of a Mk6, with a Parker Hale .22 converter. I shot it with the proper hollow base .455 ammunition I cast and assembled myself..
I therefore had no need to "shave" the cylinder or "open up" the throat to use ammunition the gun was not designed to use.
I shot it many times and it was my favourite firearm ..until Dunblane! I hope the guy that threw it into the furnace understood what he was doing.
We do not own historic firearms, we are simply custodians for the time we have them in our possession..!
I don’t know what happened to the comment I posted but take a dremel to a couple of moon clips till 455 fits then you can use it in the shaved cylinder.
Nice revolvers. I don't have any Webleys in my collection but would be seriously tempted if I came across one when I had the money on me.
I want a Webley! Thanks for providing the answer.
The bore diameter of the Webley is .455" and the .455 Webley bullet is .455. .45 ACP is .452" diameter so accuracy will suffer in these old revolvers.
nope the cylinders are 452 anyways so the 455 is swaged down
Yeah that's nice, but owning a shaved Webley is what got me into relaoding and now I have piles of 30-06 brass and dies for calibers I don't even own. There's no replacing that joy.
Personally, I took a moon clip and used a dremel to open it up enough to use the original .455. It wouldn’t clip onto the cases, so it wasn’t a perfect solution but it worked.
Alternative title: Ian McCollum whips out his shaved Webley and shoots different loads for science.
Was it Elmer Keith who said he liked 455 Webley as a practical man stopper ?
Jeff Cooper wrote that he thought a 5 shot Webley .455 Bulldog/RIC (?) was a good choice for a concealed carry revolver.
@@johnanthony6710 Royal Irish Constabulary - this was a small frame 5 shot Webley revolver with a bird's head type grip that they used. The term bulldog eventually became a somewhat generic term for many makes of small revolvers, usually British in origin, that were intended as personal defense / concealed carry.
I found Jeff Cooper's statement on the .455 Webley in "Complete Book of Shooting", 1965, page 283.
"The .455 Webley
This is a small-case, big-bore revolver cartridge of excellent defensive characteristics. It takes a 265-grain bullet at about 600 foot-seconds and is thus mild enough for a small gun and yet a vigorous man-stopper. It was the British service cartridge for many years and, while now obsolescent, it is a very superior round for its purpose. In the R.I.C. "Bulldog" snubby it is possibly the best undercover firearm ever made."
This is why you learn how to hand load
Thank you Ion
you can also use the 45 auto rim without the moon clips
I Have Moon Clip's For
My S&W 442-PC In .38,
Alot Faster On Reload's...
Thanks for the info, always something to learn.
I read that the British shaved their own Webleys during the war, because their officers were only issued with 18-or-so rounds per year for practice, but lend-lease .45 ACP was cheap and plentiful, at least in the MTO.
Yeah, I believe your correct. I'm not gun nut but I do own a webly as it was my grandfathers service revolver during the troubles in northern Ireland, we still have the original 18 rounds. Although ours is not shaved and we don't have any 45.
I very much doubt that.
@@kneyork9930 what? that i have the original rounds? well, i dont know what to tell you. the rounds are old af and theyre a pain to get, even back then and now they still aint easy.
I assume he doubts whether British officers shaved their Webleys. I doubt it too @@Sketchr_
The British put semi auto switch on their sub machine guns to save money
By far the best way to tell if it’s been shaved is to simply look at the BACK of the cylinder. An unshaved cylinder has a broad arrow ord mark and a ER or GR proof mark. A shaved cylinder obviously will not. This is much more reliable than ‘eyeballing’ the gap and half-cut serial number.
.45 Auto Rim (as 11.5x23mmR) was made for revolvers that fired .45acp.
I still have a few boxes for my 1917s and my S&W Model 25s.
Factory Auto Rim is probably loaded to .45ACP pressure. ?
@@kneyork9930
It’s been awhile but I believe that the .45 Auto Rim max is 17,000 psi and the
.455 Webley Mk VI is I believe 13,000psi.
What is extremely important is to remember that .455 Webley actually starts with the original Mark I (black powder load to the later cordite and nitro loads), rack Generation or Model (I - VI) The successive "Marks" were made progressively stronger, so that what is a "maximum" for the Mark VI revolver is in all likely hood dangerously excessive for the earlier or previous models.
@@kneyork9930yep
Those rounds are moving so slowly that the camera caught them for a single frame. Wow.
Are these the same moon clips that are used in Colt and S&W revolvers? If so, it's interesting that Webley has the same bullet circle.
They work fine in my S&W 1917. My Dad bought a shaved Webley from a guy that came with a plastic bucket full of steel cased .45 ACP already loaded into full moon clips. We only shot either pistol a few times with them, thank Buddha. Both have stupid heavy double action triggers, but are very accurate in single action.
Yup. Same clips. And I agree that it's fascinating that the cartridges are on the same diameter circle.
The camera picks up the bullet going down range when he's shooting it around 4:10, the bullets shows up for a frame. I imagine its because they're subsonic.
My grandfather gave me a mk1 shaved webley. Of course, I've never shot it
Ian, is that a Japanese Marine camo hat? I got one that is Scorpion W2 camo.
Oh please show us a MkII round on a clear ballistic target.
Would you call that soft loaded .45 ACP a British Cowboy Action Load?
Redcoat Action Load?
@@jimjolly4560that would be a muzzle loader.
A great heads up video, Thanks 😊.
It's be interesting to compare the Webley MkVI to the Enfield MkVI.
I remember my father had an old Webley that someone had blown out one of the cylinders on and filled the gap in with lead. You kind of have to wonder why anyone would want one at the time if you had to go through the trouble of hand loading .45 ACP to shoot it. It seems like a lot of trouble and judging by that old Webley my dad had not very safe. Unless they were super cheap why not just buy a Colt or S&W?
Shaved Webley was my nickname in college
3:03 Apparently 455 is both the caliber and muzzle velocity!
The wildest thing is that these rounds are moving so slow you can genuinely see them flying on camera! Very cool stuff.
I wonder if this was the kind of Webley Indiana Jones would have used in The Last Crusade
No, Indie's was unaltered. At the time, .455 Webley surplus ammo was readily available, especially in countries recently occupied by/part of the British Empire, like Egypt. These conversions were made after the supply of WW2 surplus ammo dried up and the British had largely switched over to 9mm and .38 S&W rather than .455 Webley, making it difficult for non-Commonwealth states to find ammo for them.
@@Swindle1984 Good to know
The Last Crusade was set in 1938, so almost a decade before US importers were shaving Webley cyinders to fit .45acp in moon clips.
Indy's Webley could have been in either .38 S&W (British issue from 1930) or .455 Webley, depending on which exact model it was, which I think changes depending on what theatrical armouers could get, at the various filming locations/countries.
@@dj1NM3 Indy's revolver was a WG Army Model, only available in .455 Webley. He also used S&W revolvers in .38 Special and a FN Hi-Power in 9mm, but his Webley was always in .455, not .38 S&W.
@@dj1NM3 I would hazard a guess that standard Holywood 5 in 1 blanks would probably work in a .455 chamber as well. They might be to long for the cylinder, but I'm sure they would otherwise chamber.
Was this one made in kyber pass? I still remember the other one he did
I 100% think a ruger 22mag revolver had more kick than a webley mk6 .455. People dont realise how low pressure a .455 is.
Steinel also makes 9mm Largo!
Now I'm curious to see what happens if you put shaved 45ACP in a regular pistol if there's a pistol that can successfully cycle with it
Given that it's lobbing a bullet at borderline airsoft velocities the only thing it'd work in is revolvers and Derringers
We actually tried a couple rounds in a 1911 for kicks, and it did cycle properly.
Did you forget something? "Auto Rim" cases? Ever hear of them? :) :)
Interesting, to me anyway, that there are enough Shaved Webleys out there to make it worthwhile for a manufacturer to produce ammunition specifically for it.
As for the original .455 Webley: the ultimate development of the revolver as a military sidearm! Well, maybe.
Where are replacement parts available for the Webley?
Would you recommend the low power .45ACP in anything else? There are a lot of old 1917s around. And of course 1911s, but not sure if it would cycle. Still downloaded historical cartridges sounds like a great niche as firearms get older every year.
In some ways it'd seem more elegant to design a cartridge which would work in the shaved cylinder without requiring the moonclip. But that'd have to be a rimmed case with an extra thick rim to properly position the round despite the metal that had been shaved away.
I assume custom brass like that would be FAR more expensive that simply downloading commercial 45 ACP.
The case already exists. 45 auto-rim, which was developed in 1920. But 45 AR is loaded to .45 acp specs. Starline still makes the brass, and I have a box of it somewhere around here. Always found moon clips far more convenient.
I wonder if sometimes that's what some studio armourers do for the odd Webley in period productions
The title sounds like a Manscaped reference.
God bless the blokes and their weird guns. The STENs were alright, but the rest..... BTW did I read the box correctly? 400FPS? You can almost see the projectile! 850FPS is standard GI load if I recall. Very interesting video Ian, thanks
650fps is what the 265 grain Webley bullet moves at. (or something close to that) 400fps with a lighter bullet is odd, but as someone mentioned, perhaps that is so it's safe in the earlier Webley revolvers.
Yo early team!