HARVARD: Red Meat Raises Diabetes Risk 62%. INTERNET: Nope.
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- Опубліковано 9 чер 2024
- Harvard's paper, red meat = diabetes, launched 100 headlines, all positive. And 20 UA-cams, all negative. Who got it right?
PAPERS:
Red meat intake and risk of type 2 diabetes in a prospective cohort study of United States females and males
ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0...
Substitution of animal-based with plant-based foods on cardiometabolic health and all-cause mortality: a systematic review and meta-analysis of prospective studies
bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com...
Red meat consumption and risk factors for type 2 diabetes: a systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials
www.nature.com/articles/s4143...
Meat Cooking Methods and Risk of Type 2 Diabetes: Results From Three Prospective Cohort Studies
diabetesjournals.org/care/art...
NEWS:
Red meat consumption associated with increased type 2 diabetes risk
www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/pre...
What to Know About the Link Between Red Meat and Type 2 Diabetes
www.nytimes.com/2023/10/20/we...
Eating red meat twice a week may increase type 2 diabetes risk, study finds
www.theguardian.com/science/2...
Eating red meat linked to higher risk of type 2 diabetes, study finds
www.cnn.com/2023/10/19/health...
Eating Red Meat Is Linked to Type 2 Diabetes Risk, New Study Finds
www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-...
For Health, More Nuts, Beans and Whole Grains
www.nytimes.com/2023/11/15/we...
Study links red meat to increased risk of Type 2 diabetes
www.deseret.com/2023/10/20/23...
TIME magazine cover story: physiologist Ancel Keys (public PDF)
drive.google.com/file/d/1at-y...
VIDEOS:
Red Meat Causes Diabetes? New Study should Concern Carnivores by Ken Berry
• Red Meat Causes Diabet...
Red Meat causes Diabetes? Ben Bikman, PhD Explains the Hidden Truth
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'Red Meat Causes Diabetes' Harvard Scientists Claim (Study Breakdown) by Mike Mutzel
• 'Red Meat Causes Diabe...
'Red Meat Causes Diabetes’ Experts Claim: Study Flaws Are Concerning by Mike Mutzel
• 'Red Meat Causes Diabe...
Red meat gives you diabetes!! New study!! By Shawn Baker
• Red meat gives you dia...
HARVARD SAYS RED MEAT CAUSES DIABETES! - Dr. Westman Reacts
• HARVARD SAYS RED MEAT ...
Red Meat Does Not Cause Diabetes by Bret Scher
• Red Meat Does Not Caus...
Harvard - RED MEAT CAUSES #DIABETES? Hmm…: Health Journey Vlog 33
• Harvard - RED MEAT CAU...
BLOGS:
Harvard Has Been Anti-Meat for 30+ Years-Why? by Nina Teicholz
unsettledscience.substack.com...
Red meat & Type 2 Diabetes by Zoe Harcombe
www.zoeharcombe.com/2023/10/r...
Red meat and diabetes-a tenuous connection by Ronald Hoffman
drhoffman.com/article/red-mea...
Does red meat cause diabetes? Maybe only at Harvard
www.carnisostenibili.it/en/do...
BOOKS:
Your Simple Guide to Reversing Type 2 Diabetes by Roy Taylor
www.amazon.com/Your-Simple-Gu...
Nutritional Epidemiology by Walter Willett
www.amazon.com/Nutritional-Ep...
A Change of Heart: How the People of Framingham, Massachusetts, Helped Unravel the Mysteries of Cardiovascular Disease by Daniel Levy
www.amazon.com/Change-Heart-U...
0:00 Coverage of the Harvard Study
2:10 Xiao Gu: Epidemiology vs Biostatistics
3:01 News vs UA-camrs
3:43 Epidemiology & Framingham
6:07 How Beef Has Changed
6:56 Food Frequency Questionnaires
10:50 The Study Participants
13:55 Ideological Vegetarianism?
16:42 Zoe Harcombe's Blog
20:33 Losing Our Minds with Anecdotes
22:07 Harvard Epidemiology
23:28 Short Term Trials Fail
27:16 Advances in Epidemiology
32:10 Meat Eaters Have Less Healthy Habits?
33:31 Mediators and Confounders
34:52. Causal Inference
36:34 The Bradford Hill Criteria
38:53 Red Meat A Bigger Factor for Exercisers?
40:02 Fish is Surprisingly Hazardous
42:35 Why Harvard Shows a Stronger Association - Наука та технологія
Missed title opportunity: "Diet Tribe Diatribes"
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Aw, I was thinking that too. 😄You beat me to it.
Could work for so many videos on this channel.
Thank you for this. I would like more discussions similar to this.
Would have been a good title name. But I still love the actual title, especially with this ending: "INTERNET: Nope."
Diet tribes. Political tribes. Cultural tribes. Tribal behavior runs deep and has a powerful effect on how people think.
but not with you
Everyone is tribal and everyone thinks only others are tribal.
Tribes can be very good at ostracizing people…
You forgot academic tribes. LOL my tribe makes a better spear than yours(kidding of course)
@@sw6118 and or eating them. Historical fact based on archeological data.
I'm picturing the meme where the paramedic tells the guy on the gurney that he needs top experts, so they are taking him to the comment section.
Excellent 😂
Or maybe a Chiropractor to fix his atherosclerosis.....
haha
@@lynnritchie231 haha, yup
@@lynnritchie231 a Scientologist chiropractor who WILL NOT be fact checked!
So refreshing to hear from study authors rather than social media icons and diet promoters. What a breath of fresh air. I love this.
Hear, hear!
How many boosters did you take?
desperate for any excuse to continue living in denial? @@inquisitor4635
The first step to addiction recovery is admitting you have a problem!@@a64750
Let's see. A food with a ZERO glycemic index raises diabetes risk. Meanwhile, there are untold stories of people who have stopped or reversed diabetes by eliminating grains, starches and sugars, which shoot blood sugar to the moon.
But what would you expect from a sclerotic dinosaur like Walter Willet.
Your ability to actually interview the people conducting the research absolutely sets you apart from 99.9% of all the other channels. I think Andrew huberman is the only other YT channel consistently doing this as well.
I've learned a lot from this. Thank you
Great video! So rare to see the authors of the studies interviewed. Huge props to Plant Chompers and hopefully they are setting the standard for more transparency in the health and nutrition industry.
I'm watching the video ATM and I don't see any real debunking. Just plant comparison bigging up people's qualifications as being a reason that people should not do their own research and just listen to the "experts".
No consideration of potential bias due to governments pushing a vegetarian diet. All that's needed to debunk plant chomper is the fact that all apes and plant rating animals are gut fermenters. They turn plant matter into fats and actually run keto.
You know what they don't discuss? That humans can't do that on plant matter. We don't digest most plant matter. Plant matters contain anti-nutrients.
My own personal example. I make a lot of kidney stones naturally. Pee'd them out every 1-2 days since they were small. So imagine peeing out grit. Not nice.
I go carnivore and remove all oxalates from food (most my stones were calcium oxalate and phosphate) and guess what? No more kidney stone grit, at all. I feel fantastic too.
So Iis it of your opinion that I should just eat plants, feel terrible, get joint pain, stomach pain, and pee grit every 2 days, which hurts like frick, and walk around hunched over with a hurting peen, just because a study that was probably paid for where carnivore studies can't get funding, just because you all think so?
Oh yeah. My cholesterol raised, but guess what? My heart attack risk went down since my HDL raised from 0.4 to 1.7 and evened it out. My doctor was laughing and couldn't believe it.
"I don't know whether it's a good thing or a bad thing... your cholesterol jumped up but the calculator says a risk of 0.95%"
I'm on TRT to so my cholesterol is supposed to get worse.
If i stopped smoking it would be 0.65%. Huge improvement from the 3-4% it was pre-carnivore.
Would you prefer me have a 1/200 - 1/100ush chance. Not that you would even answer that.
Noob
This long-winded episode completely ignores the very prominent issues with this weak study.
- Discuss the inherent flaws of FFQ's, which the study is based on.
- Discuss the definition of red meat in this study, which is quite surprising.
- Explain how the study shows women consume more red meat than men (first one ever, I believe).
- Discuss the healthy user bias and how this affects every single epidemiological study.
- Discuss how the headlines all use relative risks, when the absolute risks are miniscule.
@@zealous.y
Decades of nutritional debate and public suspicion of nutritional claims are hardly settled by that interviewee's responses.
Nutritionist: We understand the methodologies and outcomes of nutrition studies and metastudies can be perplexing to laypersons and the popular press.
_Epidemiologist_ Xiao: Hold my beer...
I don't eat a lot of red meat anyway, and I don't torture it into excreting advanced glycation products, PHAs, but if I was into char-broiling the stuff once a week, I question whether it would do me significantly more harm than tofu or tempeh or beans equally demolished tastily.
I gave up on veganism 30 years ago. I eat everything.
To each his own.
I´m skeptical that red meat causally increases diabetes risk but I don't think anyone knows for sure and hearing directly from the scientists conducting the research is so crucial and so rarely done, thanks for giving them a social media platform!!!
Can you do a video on the Oreo/ Lmhr thing thanks !
Skeptical? Have you ever heard of a single case of a person developing diabetes on a meat-based ketogenic diet?
@@trentonharris7676 Correct. Does not excist. This study is about processed meat.
I'm sure it doesn't help we are eating half a loaf of bread with our brisket 😂 in Texas!
@@abel78750and yet Italy’s diabetes rate from ages 24-73 is 6.4% 2011-2021. The US for the same ages/years? 11%
Italians eat a lot of bread, pasta, potatoes (believe it or not). Meat? Not nearly as much (holidays are an exception)
Weird. Almost as if bread doesn’t cause diabetes
I keep hearing “diet tribes” as “diatribes,” but when discussing dietary strategies, that’s probably not inaccurate. 😂
Oh, hahaha, I never thought of that! Hmmm, better work on my enunciation. 😅
The youtube closed captions engine understood you perfectly, btw!
But veganism is closer to a religion than anything else. Lots of beliefs and opinion supported by no evidence in the scientific sense. Food frequency questionnaires and meta analyses of those? Please...
Hello Chris,
I want to thank you in advance for reading this long post.
I began my whole foods vegan diet almost two years ago when I was 48 years old.
I have been educated on-line by many nutrition experts; Dr. McDougall, Dr. Greger, Dr. Essylsten, Dr. Ornish, Dr. Barnard, Dr. Fuhrman Dr. Campbell and many more.
When I found your channel 2 years ago, I was not only impressed with your mind but also with your approach and your humility.
Your personal story and your Ted Talk are gut-wrenching. You are a great inspiration.
I am pleased to have watched your channel evolve as you have gained great respect within the nutrition community.
Every video is better than the last.
You work so hard and I'm sure that I speak for tens of thousands of subscribers when I tell you how much I appreciate you.
In the Jewish religion we would call you a "mensch."
There is nothing higher than a mensch.
A mensch is a man of outstanding character, great humility, ever-expanding knowledge and most importantly, wisdom.
You are a great man.
God bless you and your family.
Thank you! I am not worthy.
Hear, hear! 🤘🤘
@@PlantChompers
Only a mensch would reply by saying:
"I am not worthy."
Your reply confirmed my comment!
Those 57 year olds where definitely on gear!
Yup, not even hard to tell
It's a shame plant chomper neglected to say that Charles Poliquin had a series of heart attacks in his 30's due to magnesium deficiency and mercury poisoning from fillings and that two of his brothers died of heart attacks at a young age (congenital family problem) ... but, it's all because of meat and sat fat, right, chomper?! Keep building that narrative.
Been a carnivore for 8mths and love it.
I do not, however, only keep in the carnivore/keto echo chamber.
THIS CHANNEL IS BOSS!
Thank u for the alternate, backed by scientific papers and data objective view.
My body loves this diet right now, but I need to know possible short comings and risks etc.
Lotsa love my man!!
Thanks!
Same. I too believe people should do whatever works for them, makes them feel the best & be the healthiest version of themselves. No side should be more like a cult &/or bash others. I've been T2D for 26 years now & as I laughed at a friend during a lunch who was having a burger with no bun, nothing on it, no fries, sides, veg, nothing.. They said I could prove them wrong in 30 days. I took that challenge & it's now been nearly 9 months. BBBE. I've NEVER EVER felt better. Sleeping through the night, brain fog/depression lifted, aches/pains gone (whether that's cutting out the processed stuff, seed oils, being meat/protein/fat based or a combination of, frankly... i don't care, LOVE the results) My stomach is no longer achy, upset, no more bathroom issues, bloating, nothing AND best of all.... my Blood pressure is down, cholesterol is way down & my blood sugars for the first time, are normal & unmedicated! Win, win, win, WIN. Oh & I've lost 30 lbs as a side-note. :) Be well.
Dear Chris, Just a quick note to say thank you very, very much for your many interesting and well done videos. Your breadth of knowledge and background has been impressive and I can t tell you how stimulating it has all been. Please keep up the good work, sorely needed...
Ill just go and ask the guy says Chris....fab.
You're criminally underrated!!!!
Thank you for platforming scientists! This is so important in bettering the relationship between scientists and the rest of the world
It's always so different to hear an author of a study. He answered all your questions without having to make up any answers - as its done. It reminded me of Kevin Hall explaining one of his studies. Nice work Chris. PS: btw, i loved the sound of your text message :)
Been following your channel i think about two years now and your editing (which has always been so good) still just gets better and better. This seriously plays out like a documentary, looking at so many angles from the nutrition science itself with the actual study authors, to the contextual history, economics, and politics. Nobody else puts out content this engaging, really look forward to every vid. Many thanks👏👏👏
I'm assuming that, because so many studies have been carried out, questionnaire ones can be adjusted somehow based upon previous laboratory ones? So, for example they can figure out, at least on average, what the likelihood is that people are under or overstating what they eat.
I'm new to this channel. Thank you so much for interviewing the biostatistician of the paper. It was a great interview. I'm grateful that he was available and willing. I'll watch again!
Well, it was 10:30 pm here in Japan, and I was thinking, "You wasted another day in front of the computer. Time to go to bed." And then a new Plant Chompers video popped up on UA-cam. What a treat! I couldn't pass it up! It was another deep dive into the science of nutrition with an author of a significant new study. What a pleasure! Oh no, Dr. Greger said that people who go to bed between 10:00 and 11:00 live longer. Now I guess I'm going to die a little sooner. Well, at least I'll die with a little more cumulative happiness!
The Harvard study counted "Pizza" as "Meat."
That's the kind of "quality science" we're working with here.
The study is a joke.
What are the Japanese eating lately?
@@Hertz2laugh Going by calories, there would be mostly meat and fat calories in a pizza.
@@Hertz2laugh How much experience do you have with this study? I assume you read it in detail, and are not just parroting whatever Ken Berry said. Right?
@@Hertz2laughpeople who believe red meat is healthy are a joke buddy
Dear Chris, Thank you for the incredible work you are doing. As an experimental psychologist, I really appreciate your commitment to disseminating accurate information to the public by doing a deep dive into research studies and verifying original sources. Your videos are an invaluable resource and I look forward to watching more of them!
What type of experimental psychology do you do? Are you trained like unemployed psychiatrist Dr. Neal Barnard who is highly trained to psych people out with wrong information to fool the gullible?
@@Jeffs60 Troll
Jeff, you got some bad intel. @@Jeffs60
@@Jeffs60 Are you confusing him with that wacky Paul Saladino?
@@Mrm1985100 I stated the facts and you stated nothing because you don't have the facts.
Wow, that's really cool that you put a face to the research. I'm impressed how you get so many interesting interviews on you channel. I always feel like I learned something. Your channel is a really good counterbalance to the hugely popular keto/carnivore channels
I rarely comment on your videos, even though I’ve watched and thoroughly enjoyed many!! Thank you so much for this public service. 🙏🏼✨
Love your channel. I just discover it and I must thank you for the scientific sense you bring to the table. Thanks !
Just like you, my wife thinks I've the developed GAS (gear acquisition syndrome).
Could you tell us what gear is in this bag and what lighting you used in the interview with Dr Xiao.
Many thanks
Thanks! I used Canon R7 cameras with the 50mm 1.2 lens at 1.4. Dr. Xiao had a window to his right with sun streaming in. Behind to his left was another window but no sun streaming in. I used a hobolite balanced to daylight to fill in the dark side of his face. ua-cam.com/video/jdiGmnQDb_s/v-deo.html
@@PlantChompers thank you so much!
What's a good beginner's wfpb cookbook? There's so many to choose from. My hubby and I really want to change our health. I've cooked the same way for 39 years. I'm finding it difficult to know where to begin. I need something really basic; what to eat in a day.
anything by Happy Pear and Alan Desmond are good imho
Meat. Simply and easy. Don't skimp on the fat either.
@@paulcallicoat7597 did you not actually read or understand the comment.. or watch the video then? Might be worth getting some brain tests done; meat consumption correlates with dementia as well but there’re things you can do to halt or delay it - it might not be too late.
I don't have anything clever to add - I'm here to learn, and I always learn something new from these videos. You're going to get really big one of these days, Chris, and I'm not talking about BMI.
Now this is how you put together a video….if you are willing and able to put in the time and research. Thank you Chris for yet another fantastic video.
I’ve been around long enough to remember when Shawn Baker, after eating his carnivore diet for some time, had his blood work done it he came back as pre-diabetic. His video where he goes over his blood work may still even be up on UA-cam
i cant find the video, do you have a link?
@@user-xj5xp6qz5g sometimes youtube doesn't like you posting links in the comments, so if you can't see the link i posted, just google "robb wolf episode 385". it's from robb wolf's podcast with shawn baker in 2018. Timestamp on the podcast is 40:40.
I remember that too: I think Mic the Vegan has a video discussing it.
im guessing hes still pre0diabetic then because he's still 100% carnivore.
His face is as red as Ken Berry's!
Love your defense of Epidemiology! This is a great breakdown of this paper. I don't think it could be any better than visiting and speaking with the authors face to face.
Very nice, thorough video based around an in depth interview with the lead author himself.
I like your defense and analysis of epidemiology. What many do not understand that all kinds of scientific studies have their valid place with strengths and weaknesses included. Of course every study should be critically analyzed and fact and method checked and methodologies have a kind of degree of importance. And while people love to complain about epidemiology, in vitro vs in vivo, human vs animal model studies, all are eqally important. Good luck observing genetic drift, mutations, nutritional effects or behavioural change over time; in a controlled environment; in hundreds to thosands participants over dozens to hundreds of generations without mice, rat, drosophilia or nematode models. Or your valid point about environmental toxins.
It was also nice to listen to in reflection of my three publications in the field of nutritional-social epidemiology from years back. Especially because i personally preferred to work in a lab earlier using instrumental chemical analysis methods.
Superb! Like almost all your videos, this is required viewing Chris. Great job and thanks for taking the time to make this. It deserves the widest possible audience.
Just found your channel, Love your videos, some of the best out there and I have listened to most of them.
thank you for sitting down with dr. gu, his explanations to your questions helps me understand the process of collecting data and accurately reporting it.
Really good informative and enjoying channel with good well-spoken knowledgeable speakers. However, I did find one point for improvement though, we need more video's ;)
Never too much plant chomping. 👍
That aside, these videos of Chris clearly take a lot of research which would be lost if they came too fast. I really look forward to these terrific entertaining and informative videos.
While I agree, plant chomppers is more quality than quantity, and I sure don’t want to lose that!! 🎉🎉
@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666 best handle ever!
Would you recommend epidemiology for dummies or Walter willets book?
I'm really interested in (nutritional) epidemiology right now.
I am finishing my master's on engineering, but it's just kind of a hobby and being good with data also helps in the future job and in life!
Now I really want that updated book as well haha
Edit: you are one of my role models and I learn a lot in your videos, so please keep it up and take care! 😊
Epidemiology IS for dummies. Seventh day adventist church propganda.
There has very recently been a TV program aired in the Uk called 'Secrets of the Big Shop' in which people said what they ate. However when Michael Mosley secretly checked them out and filmed what they were buying all kinds of junk food in supermarkets that were never mentioned. The bottom line is that people lie about what they eat. They knew what they were eating was not good for them but did not want to let others know how bad they were eating. So how do epidemioligists get round this?
Exactly. One of the studies referenced relied on a Food Frequency Questionnaire, the least reliable form of nutrition study for this very reason. It relies on people telling the truth about what they are eating, or even accurately remembering what they ate. It's not like they keep a daily food journal.
@@lloydhlavac6807 Many who would tell roughly the truth about main meals could easily just ignore snacks, so all that bad sugar/fat from highly processed biscuits, crisps, sweets, fruit etc would make the survey totally pointless. While I am open to arguments that certain saturated fats could lead to plaque build up, strokes and heart attacks, I am convinced that the science about diabetes is much more related to the consumption of sugar in the diet (including whole grains and starches). The glycemic index exists for a reason and it is fairly clear which are the biggest culprits on the subject.
i dont think yall watched it
@@hata6290 Yes I did but then I am the type of person who researches both sides of an argument and is not satisfied by one side alone. I agree saturated fats are risky, especially when over consumed, but there are also big risks with high sugary food and highly processed food of all kinds and this influencer in my opinion is ignoring the risks with plant foods. Phytates, gluten, oxalates, pesticide/fertilisers, heavy metals, nutrition depletion of soils from overfarming, etc. Every food has risks, even water. But without them we would die in no time.
@@dennisward43 What do beef cattle eat????.......Plants, ....grasses, legumes, grain, hulls, alfalfa, clover and many other forage plants. They sure don't eat meat. I don't think they are fed meat. They will eat common greens in human diets if allowed along with other vegetables. even sugars. Just as many lands are being cleared for bovine consumption and dairy. I'm Vegan and it works for me but may not for you or the next person. Just eat what you want, if food doesn't kill you something else will. I just happened on this video but didn't watch it and I ignore all the "naysayers" from both sides.
He was mentioned in a few comments above, but Dr. Gil Carvalho, NutritionMadeSimple is a great channel. The only one I listen to.
Just another sensational deep dive into an important paper. Thanks very much.
This is amazing and informative content. Its so rare we actually get to hear from the authors of the paper. Thank you so much for this.
Just discovered your channel. Love the primary source[s]. Confused though about your ultimate take-away: who's correct? You're leaning toward the study, I assume: the Mediterranean diet.
Thanks! My takeaway is it's a good study and all the non industry-funded studies I can find produce similar findings.
Excellent review and deep dive into the data and methods! Thanks for explaining so many of the technical issues. One thing near the end that wasn't clear - is there also a higher association of diabetes with eggs? Or were you saying that perhaps eggs in North America and Europe are contaminated with PFAS and that makes them risky? Thanks again.
Don’t you know that epidemiology isn’t “real science”? 😉
Looking forward to the episode, as always.
😂
You are doing pretty good, yourself
It's not real science.
It's part of science, but if you are honest with yourself, you know what this is about.
Yeah that's how come smoking and asbestos are not harmful. No RCT's.....right?
I got goosebumps from this interview. Wow. Thankful for the internet that i get the chance of getting all this knowledge. There’s no way i could have come across this knowledge living where i’m at. Thank you PlantChompers, your eloquence is just amusing must come from reading all those books and your association with all those great people.
Is there still an increased risk when you stratify by carb intake? Do carnivore or nearly carnivore eaters have this same risk? I did not see how they confirm Type 2 diabetics vs late onset Type I? I was diagnosed as a Type 2 diabetic and it took me 12+ years to find the real truth that I am late onset Type I. A large percentage of those diagnosed as type 2 could actually be late onset Type I and require insulin. I had to convince the doctors to give me the correct tests only after ending up in the hospital and they still not were getting it right and giving me the wrong drugs.
they rather blame you for not following their advice.
What foods are best to replace meat with, I saw nuts and dairy but what gives lowest risk?
beans, lentils, tempeh& tofu give you the most bang for your dietary buck when it comes to non-meat protein sources. Then there lesser planted-based protein sources as well to fill in around the edges of your diet.
Nothing replaces meat, it’s the most nutrient dense and bioavailable food in the planet. The proper human diet.
Why would you stop eating meat? All this is political.
Avocado
@@HidingFromFate beans are full of anti nutrients
Sad how money can drown out new and better research.
I saw the podcast you did with Simon Hill and was quite intrigued. I am a 46 year old male, former competitive bodybuilder. For decades I consumed pounds and pounds of red meat, 12 eggs a day and well, it worked and served it purpose. About two months ago I started transitioning to a more plant domiminat based diet.
And let Me just say, so far so good, I have kept my strength levels up as well as my performance. I feel good and my bodyweight is down about 9 pounds. Now, I still plan on enjoying a steak once in a while and some chicken, but the bulk of my diet now includes veggie/fruit smoothies, bowls of rice, beans and lentils as well as tofu
I plan on keeping this diet model and even more so as I get closer to age 50
Thank you for all the hard work you do! New subsciber
Shawn
Well done. I'm 48 years old and have been weight lifting since 1995. Beans, nuts, and lentils now form a greater part of my diet; beef and pork intake having dropped the most. I'm prediabetic despite eating a healthy diet, losing weight, and getting lots of exercise. I wonder if there could be more people who are pre and don't know it, abandoning red meat not because they watch videos like this, but just because of the high cost. I feel I had been taken in, earlier in my life, by the following ideas, due to my frustration about being genetically skinny and not able to build as much mass as some of my peers: 1. Men should eat red meat to get really ripped; it contains creatine, don't you know. 2. Proteins that have lower bioavailability are nutritionally inferior and my body can't absorb them properly. I had then loaded up on whey protein, knowing that one was at the top of the list. 3. I did too much cardio, I would lose muscle mass or not be able to build it. As an engineer, I now feel ashamed, as those were all based on anecdotes and not science. What I dislike the most, is drama queens on UA-cam, making claims about how this or that is either the new superfood, or is killing everybody slowly. If a healthy range for the item isn't stated anywhere in the video, I usually abort it and try and find someone who can answer that question. I will be researching my cheese and yogurt shortly; that accounts for most of the saturated fat I eat now.
@@dan-qe1tbYou have to drop all the fats in your diet. Fat is causing your diabetes.
See where you are in 5 years :)
@@CaptainProton1 exactly 💯
I'm a former power lifter turned into endurance athlete 15 years ago. Was eating 4 eggs a day and lots of steaks. Vegan for 7 years. Muscle mass is really hard to lose. Lance Armstrong is a great example as a bigger climber 30-40lbs heavier than true climbers. My grip strength is also still pretty good, I'm 5'11' 155lbs and can still close a 1.5 COC gripper after 15 years without any strength training.
Thank you for your clear and easy to understand explanation of some very complex topics. Please don't ever sell out to fame and fortune. We need people like you to help separate out good science from poor.
I'm a scientist as are you, physics and biology, and I really enjoy your videos. I've first discovered your Greger interview and watched every single one since. What I really would like is for you to talk about your process of study.
I have to say, even after years of this I still get angry and I can't really get into much of the stuff you're getting into, like the various youtube doctors (who usually turn out to be physical therapists) because it's bad for my blood pressure... How do you do that, how did you get there?
57 is so young to die :( what a shock that must have been for the family. He really did look healthy on the outside 😢
True of so many carnivores (and bodybuilders). Next few years will be interesting for Baker, Saladino, Berry et al.., mind you if anything happens likely they’ll try and cover it up, as with Atkins..allegedly!
Never fell worse than when I was a vegan! I think that's BS
@@inthevortex-de1rh you’re entitled to your opinion, I know it’s possible to feel great on carnivore, but I also know it’s possible to feel great as a whole food vegan. The latter just comes with so many more advantages if you do it right, including longevity and healthspan and I personally trust the studies that show this, whereas the ‘carnivore community’ and the meat industry obviously argue strongly (but with weak facts and short term anecdotes) against that. When it’s a lived experience it’s convincing for either camp. So one man’s bull shit is another man’s (and woman’s) strong long, lean, healthy ethical life. You pays your money and make your choice, that’s life!
@@dj.h7424 exactly everyone is entitled to their opinion. Also, everyone is different. I was a vegan and felt miserable to say the least! Thank God, I started to watch ex vegans testimonials and that opened my mind. I was having the exact same horrible health issues! In my case it's not my opinion!! Facts talk by themselves! If I am not mistaken, most carnivores are carnivores because it's the last thing they do to recover their health! By the way I am not a carnivore. But after feeling terrible being a vegan, I am thinking about it.
have fun with that coIectomy bud!!@@inthevortex-de1rh
Great video...I recently decided to transition to a mostly Whole Food Plant Based diet for health reasons and have good results. This Harvard study basically strongly seems to support that decision. Thanks for the great work.
Quite the opposite for my wife and I. Dumped plant based and both feel better than 20 years ago - plus, and a big plus, I am off medication I've had to take for 20 plus years. Weight has also come down and is no issue to manage.
Come back in five years and tell us if you are still plant based.
Oh dude no! Look at the Harvard study that shows people eating red meat, carnivore, reversed diabetes. Don't fall for this fake study
So glad I found your channel. I wonder what it is about YT's algorithm that has consistently pushed pro-keto channels. I went through a phase of eating a lot of meat but felt instinctively that it wasn't the right thing. I'm probably predisposed to CVD so I'm not interested in tribalism. I just want the truth!
I’d love to hear your thoughts on mushroom mycelium. I eat it three times per week (meati). I can’t find anything negative on it, but would love to hear if you know anything.
probably* a net positive. There are a lot of studies out on mycelium and their positives. High fiber, some protien, lots of minerals, low calorie, etc... generally beneficial.
Negatives might be if they are contaminated with heavy metals or forever chemicals but if that is a concern spend a little bit more money and get organic mushrooms most of the time. They'd be less likely to have any issues.
@@leviotten Mushrooms aren’t mycelium. Mycelium are the roots. Companies like Meati grow their mycelium in a lab under tightly controlled variables. That’s the mycelium I’m eating.
Mentally what messes with me is that mycelium can also be used to make packaging. lol That just messes with my mind a bit.
@@SolveForX sorry. thanks for the correction.
Thanks for doing this! Such a public service, you are amazing.
The comments about Willet betray ignorance or malice. I just read Eat, Drink, and Be Healthy and the lack of specific "diet" advice was the loudest part of the book.
Isn't it a great book?! 👏
The fact that he also includes fish and chicken among healthy protein sources in his book shows that all the people claiming that he's trying to convert America to a vegetarian diet haven't actually taken the time to understand his views.
Great video, really awesome getting to interview people who author these studies. I'm glad that you didn't softball if either, that's how it's supposed to be done. I would like to caution against fear mongering too much about fish, eggs and even red meat though. Yes, chemicals exists in ALL of our foods, but whatever relative risk that may, or may not, be present in foods there are often opposite benefits that have to be taken into account. Fish intake is most of the time associated with reduced all cause mortality, improved cognitive function and fish oil in particular may be helpful in improving mood. I think reductonism, or missing the forest for the trees, happens too often in these debates when the try to narrow everything down to a single risk factor.
Off topic: What are the corresponding video channels that discuss climate research with this kind of quality? I recently viewed "Climate Scientist responds to Sabine Hossenfelder on Climate Sensitivity" which was very interesting.
Wow, I really enjoyed hearing the information directly from the author’s mouth. I loved all the questions and I loved the back-and-forth between the two of you.
Why does India, despite its lower meat consumption compared to many Western countries, have a higher rate of diabetes? What factors, beyond the simplistic association with red meat consumption, could be contributing to this significant health challenge, taking into account the complex interplay of genetics, lifestyle changes, dietary habits, body composition, and socio-economic factors?
They consume a high carb, high fat combo, from what I understand. A diet high in dairy and seed oils.
@@lf7065 We found evidence of weak harmful effects between unprocessed red meat consumption and risk of type 2 diabetes, with a mean RR of 1.14 (0.97-1.32) at 50 g d−1 relative to no intake and a mean RR of 1.23 (0.96-1.52) at 100 g d−1 relative to no intake (Table 2 and Extended Data Fig. 2). The BPRF value was 1.01 and the corresponding ROS was 0.01, equating to a two-star rating at the lower threshold of two-star pairs (at the boundary between weak evidence and no evidence of an association between consumption of unprocessed red meat and increased risk of type 2 diabetes).; Health effects associated with consumption of unprocessed red meat: a Burden of Proof study
India? Where's that? Apparently, the authors of this stupid study never heard of it.
@@lf7065 Yes, the evidence linking red meat to diabetes is rather weak. The problem with diabetes is more complex than just red meat consumption. The emphasis on red meat seems to be driven by an agenda to discourage its consumption, possibly due to environmental concerns. I'm convinced that if lab-grown meat becomes mainstream, such studies would be less prominent. There appears to be a push towards carbohydrate-rich diets and seed oils, which in themselves are not necessarily healthier and could contribute to health issues.
@@vwqwe-gh6td Show the proof.
Thank you so much Chris for talking to the first author of an important paper. Please do more such interviews of first authors and last authors of important papers. God bless!
It's been a while since last time I saw one of your vids. Glad to see you still rock Chris. Congrats, great vid.
Every time you upload it makes me happy. Always great work.
I love your channel. You've inspired me to eat much more plants which is amazing.
Greetings from Brazil.
you will get sick
@@zelareka I can get sick in any and every diet. But, in fact, I'm healthier and stronger now. My sleep is also better. There no one diet fits all, but focusing in plants and, simultaneously, preserving the traditional foods of my culture is working amazingly well for me.
When looking to the ancient people that lived here and influenced our diet, in Brazil, every single one of them focused on plants and many also ate minimally processed foods.
I'm honoured to continue this tradition. Plants are life.
indians also ate a lot of meat@@raissaferreira1101
So for me who is completely healthy and exercise a lot and eat very varied. Is red meat bad?
Watching your video at midnight in Singapore. Can never resist watching your videos. Always entertaining and science based. A masterclass in nutrition and critical thinking.
Forgive the off topic comment Chris, but I was reminded of my first colonoscopy a few years back. While we, the post test patients were lined up in recovery beds, our GI doc came out and literally went down the line patient to patient and gave each one of us the exact same advice, "Eat more fiber, less red meat." In fact he said it four times, once for each of us.
Shortly after I recall reading an alarming statistic about the rise in colorectal cancer in younger Americans. Here's a more recent one, "An American Cancer Society report released on March 1, 2023, indicates that the rate of new colorectal cases among Americans younger than 55 years increased from 11 percent of all cases in 1995 to 20 percent in 2019." Of course no one can say with 100% certainty its red meat alone, but we should take the "eat less red meat" advice with deadly seriousness. It's really tragic our national health advisory institutes continue to fail to _advise_ us.
👆 Not very far off topic. Thank you.
The human body cannot even use fiber lol...
What’s the mechanism of red meat causing cancer?
@@albertcamus1979 it's been proved that red meat actually fights cancer instead of causing it but these vegan cultists only listen to the shitty research that is not done very well
@@JoeyViking1993 You can get a small amount of short chain fattty acids from some fibres but compared to herbivores it's negligible, not an amount you could survive off.
Awesome video. So refershing to see these videos on UA-cam. Thank you.
Your journalistic work and knowing your integrity and background makes all of this amazing, thanks for doing all of this!
I just recently discover this channel and I have learn so much. Have you made a video about resistance training and longevity?
Thanks! Here's one I think you'll like: ua-cam.com/video/VWeg3l3RBIM/v-deo.html
Excellent overview (again) by Plant Chompers! Great questions; and didn't Xiao Gu answer them well! 😊❤
Members of my own family insist that genetics are responsible for everything, so diet and lifestyle don't make any difference. Really! They're an unhealthy bunch, most of them taking drugs to stay alive and constantly undergoing tests for one thing or another. I'm slender, muscular and fit. But hey, I guess my healthy diet and active lifestyle had nothing to do with it!
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I'm wondering if there was some confounding variable, like maybe the method of meat processing? If it's fried on plant oil, or it's a sausage rather than pure red meat. Especially if fish has a similar effect, which is supposed to be super healthy, so frying in plant oil and smoking could make a difference.
Farmed ? Breaded ? Canola oil ? ????
Great video!!! We are all learning and evolving in so many ways! Wishing you Great Health Abundant Happiness and Outrageous Love!
Over 7000 studies before it was accepted that cigarettes are bad for your health. At that rate it would be a new meat study every day for 19 years!
The two things are not even close to being comparable. The strength of the data are many orders of magnitude different.
Unlike the direct causation seen with smoking and cancer, determining whether red meat directly causes diabetes is challenging due to potential confounding factors. While red meat has a low glycemic index, suggesting a minimal impact on blood sugar, this doesn't rule out other possible health effects. The process of proteins converting to glucose (gluconeogenesis) in red meat isn't inherently harmful. It's essential to consider 'hidden variables' that might influence health outcomes related to red meat consumption. Thus, while smoking's link to cancer is a direct cause-effect scenario, the connection between red meat and diabetes requires more nuanced analysis to differentiate between correlation and causation.
your delusional, and making excuses to continue the biggest holocaust ever in human history. Meat is the single biggest cause of planetary destruction and diseases globally. An industry brimming with massive wealth and powerful financial interests. Every pandemic for hundreds of years has been caused by animal slaughter and consumption. @@NoName-cx3gk
The denial is astounding! Any way we can claim the study is wrong even though studies in 1921, 1922, and 1923 show the direct cause of diabetes and obesity is consuming dead animals??@@NoName-cx3gk
Did they show the mechanism in which red meat causes diabetes?
No. But this is a vegan channel so that doesn’t matter for them lol
Yes , they did. Watch it again.
17:20 pancreas, liver, and kidneys are diving the glucose problem, not the other way around.
The proteins in red meat are what damages these organs, storing fat from red meat in the liver and pancreas .
If they did I didn’t see it.
@@stargazerbird Watch the video.
Great video once again. How nice to actually hear straight from the study authors.
Diabetes has only been a thing since we vastly increased our sugar intake...how long has red meat been eaten? Forever?
And seed oils
Captain, some people just don't get it.
People always confuse diabetes being related to sugar. It is not. Type 1 is a genetic disorder manifesting in young years. And Type 2 is a problem that follows obesity due to beginning multi organ failure.
Don't listen to the haters bro. My Ac dropped massively after a month of eating carnivore. Plant chomper is an idiot and probably chomps peen on a regular basis
@@lars5288diabetes is also about metabolic disregulation dt prolonged high carbohydrate exposure. I should know
The sad truth is that people will always find excuses to eat things that are unhealthy for them and in order to make money and become famous there are no shortage of people willing to give them those excuses.
Some people drink too, perhaps vegans. Some people work themselves to an early grave, also sometimes vegans. Point being... All kinds of people do all kinds of things that are bad for their health. Over time, those willing to look at the patterns will live longer, but if the others are happy, are they really doing anything wrong? It is what it is. People are probably more likely to pick up on those patterns if we don't critisize them. More education, less screeching vegans blocking the butcher shops.
@@limitisillusion7Vegans try to do the least amount of harm. It’s wrong to take the lives of sentient beings when we can be healthy on a vegan diet.
If it's right or wrong is a different discussion. This is showing that regardless of its morality it's also stupid.@@limitisillusion7
True for some but there are thousands of people who've switched to keto and carnivore diets, lost tons of weight, feel better and reversed diabetes and other ailments. So it's a hard sell to tell them they're wrong and at the very least, the results seem quite the opposite of unhealthy.
@@melaniekolomyja7335 That's fine, but what's the best strategy to pull people to your cause? Take note, the radical carnivore movement didn't take off until the vegans started blocking roads and butcher shops. Perhaps correlation is not causation here. Then again, did Hamas attack Israel out of the blue, or was there pressure in the form of an oppressive blockade from Israel that pushed Hamas in that direction?
Point is, radicalism tends to breed opposing radicalism. A softer approach would be more appropriate, and likely more successful, hence the recommendation for more education and less criticism. Blame your opposition and you attack their ego. Then they get defensive and likely dig deeper into their echo chambers. I recommend blaming the poor education and for-profit food industry instead, and focus your effort on changing those structures. Claiming the moral high ground makes you come off as arrogant, and it's no way to change your opposition's mind. Forgiveness, empathy, and the Socratic method will serve you better. Just my two cents.
As a fellow camera enthusiast.
That’s an impeccable lighting setup for Dr. Gu there.
Thanks! The window made it, of course, but I bought a new portable lighting kit from Hobolite that rocks the houzz. ua-cam.com/video/jdiGmnQDb_s/v-deo.htmlsi=5JMfBXzUNHj_prH8
Except for the highlighted occasional bright spots on the interviewee.
By the way, where can we see your videos in the Ural with the sidecar? That's pretty cool and brings back stories of my mom's childhood growing up in the great depression, her father had a motorcycle with a sidecar and he was considered radical and unusual
Are those made in russia? That's pretty cool
So my overall risk of diabetes is about 10% and if I eat red meat my risk is increased 62% So my red meat risk 16% ish round numbers. Is this overall risk worth modifying my behavior?
Chris makes the excellent point that fish had an even stronger association with diabetes. So why was the paper not entitled "Red meat and fish consumption and the risk of diabetes..."? Why just mention red meat? Could it be that such a title would undermine the desired narrative? The researcher stated that maybe fish has a stronger association with diabetes because of the unhealthy ways in which fish is consumed in the USA. And then Chris further elaborated, mentioning contrary studies performed in countries where fish is consumed in a healthy way. Um, hello? Why not apply the same concept to red meat? Do you think red meat is generally consumed in a healthy manner in the USA? Have Chris and this researcher never been to a McDonalds?
Quite. The Japanese eat really fatty red meat but it’s grilled in very thin slices so much of the fat melts away. Not the same as a fatty steak fried in butter.
It should be called, PROCESSED MEAT - not actual red meat or fish.
are you slow? how often do you have deep fried or batter fried beef? beef is almost always grilled and when it's not it's pan fried with a bit of oil.
@@r_se Cute. But unless retarded, use butter or ghee. And even then, the actual impact of using small amounts of oil can be discarded. As it is done in real research.
This most likely goes above your capacity to understand; try it.
The 'researched' is flawed:
For example, the definition of red meat here includes lasagne and sandwiches, which is very wrong if you want to assess a food’s effect on health strictly. In this case, the study is inaccurate because the risk may be caused by bread, chips, or sugary fizzy drinks eaten with meat, not by the meat itself.
The study’s results have attracted the interest of the press, which immediately ran sensational headlines. On the contrary, scientists who understand science remain astonished by this type of publication since there are meta-analyses and systematic reviews of excellent scientific quality that have already demonstrated that meat does not increase blood glucose, insulin resistance, inflammation, and the risk of type 2 diabetes.
That meat does not cause diabetes is also clear from the trend in the incidence of the disease, which has increased as meat consumption has decreased while its carbohydrate-rich substitutes have increased. Meat does not contain sugar, it does not cause a spike in blood sugar, and diabetes is a recent disease, whereas we have been eating meat for thousands of years.
But the definitive proof comes from phase 3 research, the many clinical trials of the highest scientific rigour, which show that by encouraging people to eat more red meat by eliminating grains, starches and sugars, it is even possible to reverse type 2 diabetes and make the symptoms of diabetes disappear after a diet rich in red meat. In practice, research on this subject has reached its final stage, refuting the original hypothesis. Instead, Willett continues to publish phase 1 studies on the hypothesis, providing the click-hungry media with false results. Even his second phase studies failed to confirm his hypothesis, as he admits in his conclusions that “An effect “has not been seen”.
ULTRA-PROCESSED PLANT FOODS
Yet it deliberately ignores the evidence and promotes plant protein sources as healthier and better for the planet when the opposite is true. On the contrary, it is ultra-processed plant foods full of additives, starches, sugars, refined oils and hydrogenated fats that increase the risk of cardiovascular disease, stroke, obesity and diabetes. So why deny the evidence and continue to fight against meat when all nutritionists support its vital role in a complete diet for its irreplaceable nutritional value?
“The reason is quickly explained,” Nina Teicholz comments: “For 30 years, Willett has been driven by ideological beliefs, linked to a true church that promotes veganism, with undeniable conflicts of financial interest that interfere with the pure pursuit of science. This is worrying because Willett is the author of nearly 100 academic papers on red meat and disease, all based on assumptions. The experiment has confirmed none of his findings on red meat. If I assume that perfume is bad for the lungs, I have to test the hypothesis before I tell the press. Otherwise, I could cause people to avoid perfume unnecessarily and do irreparable damage to the perfume companies. However, Willett has released his hypotheses to the media for years without testing or even when the tests prove the opposite. Harvard’s public relations team almost always releases his articles to the press, generating ubiquitous headlines. His goal is for his beliefs to reach the highest echelons of power and influence global policy recommendations.
so fucking true lmao idk why these people are coping so hard. like maybe this is just their first exposure to anti (red) meat studies? i mean theres a fuck ton of evidence particularly against red meat@@r_se
Always a pleasure to watch, thanks for your work!
Thank you for your great content. I think there is nearly no video over the last two years on your channel that I haven't watched at least twice.
Thank God, finally, your channel is growing, and you are getting the followers you deserve, as the quality you are providing is unbeaten, at least on UA-cam. Don't let the rivaling diet tribes push you down, even if they threaten you.
You are a great inspiration, and I hope you continue your great work, continuing to be a force for good for many more years.
The content on this channel is absolutely incredible, thank you so much for the immense amount of work you put in!
Thank you so much for your interviews of the scientists such as Dr Gu who are the researchers behind these monumental studies. They not only bring the studies to life but also give us an insight into the people involved. Brilliant.
Great interview! Like always talking to scientist show, they actually know what they are talking about
Hope to hear more from Xiao Gu in the future
The nutrition Internet’s fact checker is at it again! 👏
What a great video! Thank you very much for the excellent work you do, sir! Greetings from Slovakia!
Unfortunately it appears the study does not consider a low carb keto diet. It was all about including red meat or not in what keto would consider a high carb diet. Hopefully studies will be completed in the future that compare a low carb keto diet that includes red meat and one that does not include red meat. Another study that compares a vegetarian diet with a keto diet would also be welcome.
The new school of epidemiology is understanding causal relationships, and not just 'adjusting for everything'. If part of the reason that red meat gives you diabetes is that it makes you fat around the organs and then being fat around the organs gives you diabetes, controlling for BMI is controlling away the very mechanism you want to know about. This discussion of Mediators, Causal Inference, and Confounders is explained in the Book of Why - The New Science of Causality by Pearl, which should be required reading in all medical and health fields. The causal diagrams provide transparency and new methods to understand the data and the language of causality allows the softer sciences to finally make stronger causal statements.
Good book. I read it. Here's the thing, after you control for BMI you find many people who are normal weight with fatty liver and diabetes. The most common characteristic of that subset is a diet high in saturated fat.
@@PlantChompersthe question is, where did that fat come from? The mouth, or the liver (palmitic acid from excess hepatic glucose)...mmm 🤔
BMI is a poor measure
Yes, and it is exactly these sort of complicated relationships between genetics, diet and lifestyle that show that the old 'control for everything' method obscures rather than reveals. @@PlantChompers
Iam 72 I don't eat starches or sugar or seed oils , eat salad at noon and soup at dinner , my blood sugar went from 10.1 to 5.00 in 5 days and lost 23 pounds that month January 1 to January 29, 2023.
Its called lower calories
Excellent video and interview! Could someone explain what the lines in the last graph shows? I'm not sure I understand what "Cumulative average" etc means in this case.
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16:11 this young asian guy is the lead author of the new study from Harvard, so he is a top researcher, and here he says he eats some animal protein and he is not biased. this is a good bit to share with the animal-based people who think there is an evil agenda to push plant-based diets.
Well I don't know about 'evil', but there absolutely is an agenda to push plant based diets. The evidence is everywhere. Good quality foods of all types including meats, whole grains dairy etc, and avoiding overly processed foods and sugar is a perfectly healthy way to go.
I will quit eating meat when I quit eating period.....
You mean the the same Harvard that is all over the news about fraudulent research data.
One thing ive definitely noticed about the personalities of diet influencers is that the ones promoting keto, low carb and especially carnivore tend to be quite arrogant and sure of themselves. Whereas most of those promoting a more plant heavy diet tend to be more academic, cautious, thorough and humble when interpreting health studies. It would be interesting to do a study on the dark triad personality types of health influencers. I enjoyed the one you did on how long health influencers live and the finding that the low carb meat eaters had the shortest life spans and those eating the most plants had the longest life spans.
so true
Funny, but I have observed the exact opposite.
I’ve noticed the meat eaters are usually jacked and the plant pussies are usually victim weight.
Thank you for a great video. This was really insightful and full of information and I found it great to explain to people the difference between mediation analysis vs. confounding variables. It's also great to see how the epidemiology methods are also getting better. Hearing this from an actual scientist is refreshing. Nowadays I only 'hear' the loudest - AKA the influencers and the voice of real experts does not go through the sea of bullshit. This is for me especially refreshing because hearing voices like Peter Attia, and A. Huberman talking about red meat as a healthy food is intriguing at least for me. Seeing how the data well aligns with AHA, WHO and other recommendations and also with what we know from the blue zones gives me hope that there is indeed some consistency in the field of nutrition science. Thank you
It looks like there is a serious problems with this study: If you look at the average total number of calories per day that were calculated for each quartile of the three groups in Table 1 (presumably these values were derived from the food questionnaires), the number of calories appear to be way too low. For example, for the NHS cohort, quartile 1, which reported the lowest number of red meat servings, the average daily calories is just 1202. That would reflect severe calorie restriction, given that this age group for women would require about 2000 calories per day (assuming moderate activity). Even a sedentary women of this age would need about 1800. If they were truly only consuming 1202 calories per day, their average BMI would likely be well below 20, rather than the actual reported value of 23.9 (presumable calculated from weight and height data).
The other quartiles for the NHS group, as well as the other quartiles for the two other cohorts, also appear to underestimate the calories in their diet -- except perhaps for quartile 5 in all 3 groups, representing the people that ate the most red meat. But even the quartile 5 calories seem a bit low to me, compared to their measured BMI.
Here is the point. The higher quartiles representing higher meat consumption, reported food intake that resulted in higher daily calories, and this was reflected in their higher BMIs. The HPFS group reported an average daily caloric intake of nearly 2500 calories, yielding an average BMI of 26 (note that this is in the obese range). So what the study really seemed to be showing was that the more calories you consumed, the higher your risk for diabetes. And that higher calorie intake just corresponded with higher red meat intake, possibly because, red meat tends to be high in fat, which by itself could have accounted for the higher calorie intake. The interviewer did ask the researcher about BMI, who admitted that higher BMI accounted for about half the association for higher diabetes risk. But nothing about calories was mentioned, so I'm assuming the researchers did not adjust for it.
Also, there is no information at all on how much junk food (cookies, crackers, cake, chips, etc.) any of these people consumed. Might that not be a much larger driving risk factor, and might that not also correlate with red meat consumption? Too much missing from this study.
Hmm. Riddle me this… why then, are diabetes rates high and increasing in India? They have the highest rate of vegetarianism in the world, and an exceptionally low rate of red meat consumption.
because of high rates of abdominal obesity. they eat a lot and don't move much.
@@r_se EXACTLY. So sure, perhaps red meat and fish consumption are statistically correlated to diabetes in the US, but what every culture where diabetes is rising seems to share is high visceral body fat levels, and a lack of regular exercise. There may be a lot of things killing us, but it isn’t that debatable that step 1 is, start moving and lose some visceral fat. If you don’t do that, I rather doubt cutting fish or red meat out if your diet will matter all that much.
wasnt the geographical aspect about just the fish? so the red meat still blatantly increased levels of diabetes
@@hata6290 allegedly. That said, some of what was hastily speculated as an excuse for fish, probably applies to beef. If fish have forever chemicals, wouldn’t factory farmed non-organic beef? That fish part cracked me up. The entire discussion emphasized the need to be data driven, but when the conclusion was fish was just as bad, suddenly there were a list of possible reasons it is good, you just need the RIGHT fish/cooking method.
@@r_seand they get fat because they eat so much plants, seed oils, fruit etc., all highly inflammatory.
I loved this video. So careful, thoughtful and informative. I really feel you respect the audience.
Your work is so high quality. Thank you !!!!!!!!
Your channel is by far the best at clearing up so much confusion and down right lies or stupidity on nutrition.
We need more like you Chris but people like you are far and few......Many deep thanks to you my friend.....Plant based 50 years and going strong.........whoops spelling error
dispelling is the word you wanted to use I think
Please correct your comment using letransformateur's suggestion! It reads now as though you're accusing Chris of spreading confusion and lies!
I think you meant dismantling rather than disseminating.
thanks....@@letransformateur6477