In this Mormon Stories episode, historian John Hamer discusses the 19th century historical and cultural context -- largely forgotten today -- that informed the composition of the Book of Mormon.
I am delighted to see more John Hamer interviews. I always enjoy hearing him and I always learn a lot from his knowledge. Thank you both John Dehlin and John Hamer. I love MORMON STORIES!!!
Would you consider making a play list of John Hamer videos? I don't know how to find them short of scrolling endlessly. Thanks. I just found your channel and this guy is great!
This is so appropriate, you could even say it came from the Holy Ghost. I was reading the Book of Mormon the other day and I came to the realization that it all felt very strange how people supposedly living centuries before Jesus knew things like His name, or talked about the crucifixion, as if they clearly knew exactly what was going to happen, when in the Old Testament when they talk about the Messiah they are never that explicit because they don't know the details of how it'll actually come to pass. And then UA-cam recommends me this video talking about these exact same issues. Thanks, Heavenly Father.
What baffles me is that our creator gave us a mind, voice and sufficient time to mature, yet also gave us middlemen, as if He didn't want us to use those gifts at all. Any thoughtful study of any religion makes every formal religious movement just a group, led collectively, after being groomed by pre-groomed parents to obey and repeat. It seems best to me to pluck worthwhile fruits from any faith tradition and philosophy, and to enjoy life with full independence, privacy and efficiency.
The point John makes about the Nahom connection is very salient. All evidence of historicity, though I highly doubt Nahom has any real significance since the pronunciation is dubious and the actual site is in the wrong place, is immediately irrelevant when anachronisms are extant in the same text.
1:01:00 A good graphical overview of when the Torah has been written can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/NY-l0X7yGY0/v-deo.html Also check out the other videos on that channel discussing the prophets, the Gospels, the Epistles, etc.
Interesting dialogue: I agree with bayreuth 79. In addition the concept of the Great Babylonian Captivity as occurring as one event has remained from the 19th to the 21st centuries. Historically, the reign of Zedekiah (the first page of the B of M) was the third incursion of Nebuchadnezzar, who this time took “All Jerusalem” captive.The KING, the prophets, priests and scribes with their records, merchants, craftsmen, strong young men, families, all except the “very poor” were taken. In addition, all the riches of the city were taken from the Temple, all the palaces etc. After the Great Captivity of the people and KING, Nebuchadnezzar placed 21 year old Zedekiah as his puppet King on the throne in Jerusalem. In the first chapter of the BoM both Lehi and Nephi are unaware and completely oblivious of this catastrophic event in Jewish history. They claim to have lived at Jerusalem their whole lives and are aware of all the happenings yet, were not involved in this captivity and don’t even know who is Zedekiah. What an historical blunder!
Lol if the Apologists spun it into a Theological conjecture of composition by God (with Anachronisms still remaining in the text)... then It'd be also saying that God is playing the hand of the Trickster, kind of like a Lokhi than a guiding God of wisdom or articulate knowledge or even in a sense of hard love/ discipline. Or even a God that can't keep his own attention.
13:00 - I hardly believe the intentions of this podcast which claim to want to help Mormons when they are disgruntled ex-Mormons themselves. Its like me leaning over the fence and whispering to my neighbors kids how terrible their parents are. Jeez! How about you let things happen organically, the truth will work itself out but the agenda of this podcast is sad.
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I am delighted to see more John Hamer interviews. I always enjoy hearing him and I always learn a lot from his knowledge. Thank you both John Dehlin and John Hamer. I love MORMON STORIES!!!
💯 ditto
Love when John Hamer is on board!
Would you consider making a play list of John Hamer videos? I don't know how to find them short of scrolling endlessly. Thanks. I just found your channel and this guy is great!
This is so appropriate, you could even say it came from the Holy Ghost. I was reading the Book of Mormon the other day and I came to the realization that it all felt very strange how people supposedly living centuries before Jesus knew things like His name, or talked about the crucifixion, as if they clearly knew exactly what was going to happen, when in the Old Testament when they talk about the Messiah they are never that explicit because they don't know the details of how it'll actually come to pass. And then UA-cam recommends me this video talking about these exact same issues. Thanks, Heavenly Father.
Love John Hamer! He da man!
I love these so much thank you
What baffles me is that our creator gave us a mind, voice and sufficient time to mature, yet also gave us middlemen, as if He didn't want us to use those gifts at all. Any thoughtful study of any religion makes every formal religious movement just a group, led collectively, after being groomed by pre-groomed parents to obey and repeat. It seems best to me to pluck worthwhile fruits from any faith tradition and philosophy, and to enjoy life with full independence, privacy and efficiency.
24:40 Around this time part about Book of Mormon starts.
The point John makes about the Nahom connection is very salient. All evidence of historicity, though I highly doubt Nahom has any real significance since the pronunciation is dubious and the actual site is in the wrong place, is immediately irrelevant when anachronisms are extant in the same text.
1:01:00 A good graphical overview of when the Torah has been written can be found here: ua-cam.com/video/NY-l0X7yGY0/v-deo.html Also check out the other videos on that channel discussing the prophets, the Gospels, the Epistles, etc.
Interesting dialogue: I agree with bayreuth 79. In addition the concept of the Great Babylonian Captivity as occurring as one event has remained from the 19th to the 21st centuries. Historically, the reign of Zedekiah (the first page of the B of M) was the third incursion of Nebuchadnezzar, who this time took “All Jerusalem” captive.The KING, the prophets, priests and scribes with their records, merchants, craftsmen, strong young men, families, all except the “very poor” were taken. In addition, all the riches of the city were taken from the Temple, all the palaces etc.
After the Great Captivity of the people and KING, Nebuchadnezzar placed 21 year old Zedekiah as his puppet King on the throne in Jerusalem.
In the first chapter of the BoM both Lehi and Nephi are unaware and completely oblivious of this catastrophic event in Jewish history. They claim to have lived at Jerusalem their whole lives and are aware of all the happenings yet, were not involved in this captivity and don’t even know who is Zedekiah. What an historical blunder!
this man is an awesome freemason.
Lol if the Apologists spun it into a Theological conjecture of composition by God (with Anachronisms still remaining in the text)... then It'd be also saying that God is playing the hand of the Trickster, kind of like a Lokhi than a guiding God of wisdom or articulate knowledge or even in a sense of hard love/ discipline. Or even a God that can't keep his own attention.
You look like Adam Housley
intro is incredibly long
yes, and he laughs so frequently it makes you wonder if he is serious. I enjoyed all three, but I could do without the laughing. It was strange.
13:00 - I hardly believe the intentions of this podcast which claim to want to help Mormons when they are disgruntled ex-Mormons themselves. Its like me leaning over the fence and whispering to my neighbors kids how terrible their parents are. Jeez! How about you let things happen organically, the truth will work itself out but the agenda of this podcast is sad.
rks note the agenda is, as was plainly stated, to educate. And it does a damn good job of it.