*agreed...and to expand on this trope just a bit more...if their gazes lock for even the briefest of moments (such as a picosecond (which is one trillionth of a second for those interested in factual accuracy) their narrative fates have already been written and intertwined ...there separation can be prolonged and humorously kept apart for only for so long but eventually despite the needs of the moment or the serious of their situation they will hold each other in an over exaggerated embrace ...much to the eye rolling and annoyance of their companions who are fighting off fell beasts and approaching zombies*
Welcome to girls' romance novels drinking game! Take a shot everytime: - they start out hating each other - he's a tease - he's a rich boy with daddy issues - she's supposed to be strong and independent but... - she describes his eyes for waaaaay too long - he's a bad boy but has a soft side that he only shows to her - he's got emotional baggage - there's a blonde love rival and/or bully - he's possesive - he's doing something creepy but everyone acts like it's something totally normal - she thinks of herself as plain and average but everyone talks about how special she is - she's 16 - he's the most popular guy in school - Mary Sue and/or Larry Stu - she's so clumsy and silly - she's not like other girls - he's got huuuuuge abs - it's a highschool/dystopian future - there's a misunderstanding - he says something along the lines of "when I'm with you, I can't control myself" - he's a supernatural creature
- she's so clumsy and silly - she's not like other girls - he's the most popular guy in school OMG! I HATE THESE TROPES! lol - she thinks of herself as plain and average but everyone talks about how special she is Eh. That's most teen girls. Puberty causes a massive low self-esteem drop.
@@louisduarte8763 It's the way they would have wanted it. Dying in the embrace of there lover. Hell, I would write a scene where two starcrossed lovers die that way. It will be like Romeo and Juliette, only with badass action and less creepy. The dude was hitting on a girl fresh into "adulthood" as a rebound.
I loved the movies and didn't really realize how heavily it had been memed for a long time. Well... I agree that the first two were good, but tbh I don't really even remember the other ones
Here's an idea for next Terrible Writing Advice: Parents. There are a lot of over used parent tropes like the nincompoop dad, the nagging mother, the dead parents, the close minded/prejudice parent, etc.
The video would be too short because EVERYONE IS AN ORPHAN. Lol. On a serious note, parents in fiction are the most annoying element for me, because I love my family and my family loves me, while in every story the character is either abandoned, abused or simply doesn't have a family.
@@shadowwolfcat13 families in stories are usually shitty or dead because the main character needs fewer things tying them down and more reason for them to leave to go on the adventure. Like in Star Wars, Luke would have never went off with obi wan if his adoptive family wasnt vaporized, dragging him away from that "crazy old man" and be forever stuck on the farm. You dont want the mc to be pressured into going home during the adventure like "oh man my mom got sick sorry guys i gotta go :( ". Look at any story you know where the characters have abusive or dead parents and imagine how much of a nag it would be if they were alive and not assholes.
And let's not forget the abusive parents. Why bother giving your characters depth or personality when you can quickly and easily give them a horrible dad or mom or both just to make me sympathize and root for them?
So long as it serves her character and doesn’t turn her into a generic mind controlled servant with no personality beyond tool of the villain to be kissed back to status quo by the hero.
...or you could also make the love interest a Yandere. I'm sure that will create enought dramma for the entire story. Better yet, combine the Yandere archetype with the misunterstanding cliche. That will never get old.
I read a story about a couple that were fighting (I think the guy cheated on the girl) and when the girl tried to call him he answered and she heard another girl on the phone. Guy tried to explain but she just hung up and then they didn't see each other anymore after that. 4 years later the girl's miserable and the guy's successful and is with the other girl on the phone. They see each other and the guy explains that the girl was only there to like comfort him and give him some advice. Then they get back together so...yey?¿
So you have never been in a relationship.. Have you had Unrequited love (one-side love)? If yes then you might write about rejected love. Or an unhappy, or unhealthy love interest. This can also work well 👍
@@Draber2b Well, i was mostly referring to all those Webnovel/Light novel writers who either overidealize, or severely distort the idea. As for myself, I have absolutely no idea what love is like, or feels like. I am dispassionate to the point that my friends accused me of being from Vulcan, and customers, of being a robot...
metademetra. Man gives flowers to woman; woman is allergic to said flowers. Despite having never told man,about this allergy, woman scolds him and runs off, but her scolding is ambiguous and unrelated to the flowers, so man believes that woman hates him. They both fester and brood alone for the next four chapters so that the romance does not begin to early. What do you think? I am trying to become a good writer myself.
@BlueGlues Don't forget where horny bitch tries to seduce man, he rejects her but she aggressively kisses him and in that exact moment, woman comes in, and cue "It's not what it looks like" and all that drama....
What I love about the forced misunderstanding is that it can usually always be easily cleared up just by a phone call or a conversation or by you know communicating lol
"You could replace the love interest with a briefcase and the story wouldn't be any different!" Well, except for the out of place sex scene between the protagonist and the love interest. That would certainly be.... different if you made that change.
My pet peeve in any romantic plot: "We interrupt this program for the two love interests to have a make out session, even though people are literally f****** dying out there."
I know I'm a year late, but the stormlight archive has a scene where a high prince is making out with his mistress in the middle of a huge battle for survival against a demonic enemy while 2 supernatural disasters are about to collide and create a unique cataclysm
I feel like the writer of "Death Note" made such a blatant point that Shinigami CAN'T have sex just to discourage rampant shippers. Not that it did any good...
I don't think that matters though. It's fandom. So it doesn't mean anything. But it matters when actual professional writers who control the canon are writing stupid bullshit.
I was researching how to write a love interest when I got the notification for this video. I am now convinced that Terrible Writing Advice is an eldritch abomination that is stalking me.
To be fair, the "Villain marrying the Distress Damsel" trope has a lot more play in fantasy/historical tropes involving royalty. Oftentimes the villain is more interested in acquiring the heroine's power, title and land, and sex with her is just a bonus.
@@fightingmedialounge519 I mean historically that's all marriages between powerful and royal families were about. These types of villains are no more evil than the girls parents are for wanting to secure a treaty and protect their citizens. Really the real villain is any feudal or royal monarchy system.
If you are actually able to create a romance between two people that clearly love each other, then it is absolutely imperative that one of those people gets killed by the main villain for no reason than to anger the surviving spouse! Because successful relationships are BOOOOOOORING and anti-heroes that chase the killers of their partner are an infinite well of excitement that will TOTALLY never run dry.
It's there another way to get the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU! Shout in pain from the main character? Maybe, but I'm to lazy to write it, so I'm just gonna kill one of the lovers, best NOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU and most original ever! :3
I love romances that come naturally. Like, two companions that start as friends, face danger and adversity together, get to know one another more and more, and grow to trust one another. Over time, this trust grows deeper, turning into love down the line. However, it shouldn't take over the plot, but rather be shown through characterization and interactions. Reactions to choices is also a good tool, like when one of them crosses a line and the other calls them out on it. Most importantly, however: JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP DOESN'T MEAN THEIR PERSONALITIES CHANGE OUT OF A SUDDEN! If two characters hook up, they are still the same people. They just became open about their feelings for one another, look out for their partner more often, and maybe get more physical in their interactions sometimes, but will still act like before apart from that.
I was doing something like that in my story. The boy (Travis) and girl (Rosa) got really close and Travis was preparing to ask her out. He decided to do it but then Rosetta confessed to being a lesbian. They still stayed super close friends and the awkwardness died out after about 3 days. They both found romance eventually, but their friendship was so close that they still spent most of their time together even after marriage.
This comment is 11 months old, but I still want to inform you, that I just screenshotted your comment. I always wanted to write a story with a "calm" love story (aka not teenagers that get into confusing messes), but never knew how to do it, so I'll keep your advice as part of my "How to do it" structure
Tidus & Yuna in FF10 pretty much. Its all related to the main quest and each become a shoulder to lean on for being a fish out of water or the fear of the pilgrimages end.
That sounds an awful lot like a story (in the form of a web comic, hopefully) I'm planning, as yet unnamed. The story follows, well, a boy and a girl, who, you guessed it, end up being together. The girl (Elizabeth) is actually a half-demon, called a demibeast in my setting. The interesting thing with demibeasts is that they have three forms - their "natural" form, which is basically human with demon features (horns, wings, tail), their human form, and their full demonic form, which is usually impossible to shift to unless it's "unlocked", basically by very strong negative emotions such as despair or hatred, etc. It takes energy to keep up their human and demonic forms, so when they're not in human company, they can drop their human form, but I digress. Being a demibeast means that Elizabeth has much superior physical capabilities (strength, agility, endurance, etc.), even in her human form. However, this can be seen as unnatural, for obvious reasons, and so she generally shuts herself off from people (cue traumatic childhood experience). There is one particular incident in her past, when she first started secondary school, where another (female) student was picking on her (in fact it ran quite deep and was full-on bullying), and she finally snapped and beat the girl up. This made everybody at least dislike her, as the bully was a "popular girl" and Elizabeth shut herself off even more from other people, and had no friends in school whatsoever. Okay, backstory complete, let's fast forward a few years to where the story actually takes place. So Elizabeth is half-demon, what is this boy (as yet, unnamed) then? Well he's actually an exorcist (he goes round fighting and banishing spirits and demons). Now his backstory is nowhere near as fleshed-out as Elizabeth's, so I won't really go into it, but basically he was taught, in secret, by his grandfather (not even his parents know about it, although there are a bit concerned about his "weird hobbies"). He's not the best at fighting though; he knows some basic martial arts but simply lacks raw power, which is a problem many exorcists face, especially as their foes are generally much more powerful than them anyway. This means they generally make a contract with a demon to fight for them, obviously with a price (the exorcist's should being the most common). For this reason, his grandfather absolutely forbids him from doing it and never taught him how to do the summoning ceremony. However, a couple of years ago, his grandfather left and basically completely disappeared, so the boy (he really needs a name) starts learning the dark arts himself, and it all culminates on the night where the story begins. He summons a demon, who just so happens to be Elizabeth, his classmate. I haven't worked out the exact details of their contract, but they form one, although Elizabeth is initially against the idea. She finds him annoying at first (she's a bit of a tsundere too) but gradually develops feelings for him. This all comes to a head when, after the final battle of at least the first arc, she truly accepts her own feelings, realising that he's the only person wh ever wanted anything to do with her. I realise most of that was actually backstory and I didn't really explain their interactions in detail, but I thought it was important that you understood the characters well.
Will and Elizabeth Turner (Pirates of the Caribbean) Han Solo and Leia (Star Wars) Peter Parker and Mary Jane (Spiderman 2002-2007) Shrek and Fiona (Do I even have to say?) Revan and Bastilla (Knights of the Old Republic) Gutts and Casca (Berserk) Rock and Revy (Black Lagoon, though as a note it's never said if they have or haven't hooked up, but honestly I think it's better that way so the fans can keep guessing on what's going to happen next in the series) Hiccup and Astrid (How to train your dragon series)
I need a story where the Dark Lord kidnaps the love interest, and while the hero is on a quest to save her, the Dark Lord and the love interest realize they have a ton in common, fall in love, and oppose the hero together at the climax, much to the hero’s horror/confusion.
There was an episode of Wander Over Yonder with a similar plot twist: the love interest and the villain had been interested in each other all along, the "villain" didn't kidnap her and wasn't even a villain, and the "hero" was just a stalker. It then flipped it in a different way when the "hero" kidnapped the love interest, but she managed to beat him on her own.
That's an ancient greek story. The hero goes on a quest to do something heroic, saves the girl but she goes crazy at the end and kills him. Or their sons somehow don't recognize them and kill them. Or he saves her, finds another woman and leaves her on an island. The other woman goes crazy and does strange magic so he kills his own people and they come and kill him but in their rage kill the witch too. So the hero, the princess and the witch are dead at the end.
There actually are some psychological signs that suggest prolonged looks with the eyes beginning to dilate is a sign of sexual desire, or murderous intent.
This always bugs me... Their partner might as well have a target on his back with a death clock over his head counting down to either his death or his slide to becoming inhuman. I HAVE seen exceptions mind you.
It's even better when it happens in soap operas. Depending on which character is the Writer's Pet the person who's spouse they're stealing doesn't even have to be unlikable. It's just okay because they love the target of their affections more and are therefore entitled to them, even if the person who's spouse they're stealing is a close friend or relative and the couple have kids together. They'll wait for any kind of marital strife to hit the couple, then take advantage of the love interest but call it "being there for them" to make it sound noble. Then, once they have what they want, the relationship will get torpedoed when the love interest does the same thing they did to their last spouse (frequently WITH their last spouse). Either that, or the Writer's Pet themself goes to someone else for "comfort" or "support", but because they're the Writer's Pet it'll be painted like it's the love interest's fault for whatever they did to drive them into the arms of someone else. Then, a week after the relationship ends, they'll be ready to declare their love for someone else and get into a serious, committed, totally-not-a-rebound relationship.
@@RandomJayne *TL;DR-* _It's a soap opera, so- DRAMA!_ =^p (I mean this is a summary for people who didn't read your comment all the way through. _I did,_ but I understand not everyone will.)
Especially in high school dramas and romantic comedies .The main character is usually an a-hole. Maybe the jock is a bully because our protagonist keeps trying to steal their girl/guy. And for what? So they can bang them?
What if the love interest actually does hook up withe villain, and reform, but the the hero keeps going after them out of spite as he slowly becomes the true villain of the story?
Romance is my least favorite thing in the world... but now I'm questioning if maybe... that's just because bad romance is the only thing I've ever seen written.
You should check out an anime called "Chivalry of a failed knight." This circumvents the shipping wars by making the couple canon in the 3 episode and actually make the couple go through actual couple issues rather than just romantic and sexual tension.
It is extremely prevalent, so it's possible. You should check out OverlySarcasticProduction's video on romance tropes. Red, although she's asexual, does an absolutely fantastic job explaining how to write a good romance, and why/how shitty writing can make romances fail or fall flat to audiences. (also she's funny as fuck, so it's worth the watch anyway)
The only romace I liked is from the parody version of SAO that is done by fans to fix many of SAO's crappy parts which included the even more crappy romance subplot. If anyone is interested it is done comedicly than actually romanticly(which is probably why I liked it but the romance between the two characters comes suprisingly organic.) You can find it on youtube under the title Sword Art Online: Abridged by Something Witty Entertaintment.
I am a veteran of the Great Avatar Shipping War, a former member of the Kataang Army! It was hard to readjust to civilian life after such a hateful and bitter war.
It would have been fine if they'd hooked up eventually...but their relationship status was "like siblings" previous to the last episode! And they totally interacted like siblings other than that last episode! Gaaahhhhh....sorry. Forgive and forget!
Arthur Pendragon Thank you for this. It makes sense that Aang would have a crush on Katara, but her returning his feelings never made sense to me. He's prepubescent, bald, whiny, and should be a monk. Her and Zuko, on the other hand...now THAT'S how you set up an epic love story.
fr tho ea is such a money grabbing company. and yet i've still given them over $760 (not including tax) to buy all the sims 4 packs. the newest one, paranormal stuff, was worth the ten bucks i spent on it though lol
How you should make love interests: 1. Personality to make the character feel real 2. Reason why the character should like another character 3. Reasonable backstory or character development to fit character's behavior How people sometimes end up making a love interest: 1. "I dON'T nEeD a mAN"
Make a strong independent woman who don't need no man. She'll be her own woman, one who don't need no man. She doesn't need any other personality because men might like her if that happens. We can't allow that because our character is a strong, independent woman who don't need no man.
Man, the second one pisses me off so bad! 90% of mainstream romances are like this, the story says they're in love but there's no clear reason why, and when there is it's a single trait so generic any other person in their place would do.
Remember to not have any reason for the characters to be in love, and if they do, make it something simple that would never actually result in the two falling in love in real life, like helping the other up after they fell, or saying the other one's good looking, or literally just smiling.
I recently read a book where the protagonist and the love interest spotted each other on opposite sides of a parade and literally stared at each other until the parade was over. You could tell they were super in love because they would try to peak around the horses in the parade as they went by! When the parade ends they finally talk and the protagonist immediately lies to the interest about his illegal profession. The interest immediately wonders at how she met such a swell and well to do guy in . Then you timeskip to when their relationship has been established and she already knows everything about what he does and why he does it and is ok with it all so that the author can write a sex scene.
@@phyvo - Bruh. That sounds creepy. Like, random stranger, stop staring at me. Also, the writer seriously cut out all the parts that would have caused issues? Like, entirely?
Remember that not all love interests are created equal. Female protagonists' stories naturally center around what guy she's going to hook up with even if she's busy with some other plotline, because what else do girls care about, so you need to make love interests compelling enough to support the story-often giving them more character than the heroine. Meanwhile, male protagonists' love interests are just a side story, so they can be as bland as needed to make them generically appealing without taking screen time from the hero's heroics.
The female love interest should also not distract from the female friend who is better suited to the protagonist in every way except that she's "one of the guys" and couldn't possibly have or inspire those kinds of feelings. If she's not a lesbian, she should end the story either alone or paired with a lowly sidekick for whom she's only ever registered contempt. Actually, even if she is a lesbian, that's what should happen.
Surprised he doesn't make the point that a love interest that is basically "given" to a protagonist is somehow different then the love interest being "given" to the villain
Don't forget to add a lot of trauma to your love interest. Sexual, physical and mental! It makes your hero look like a true hero! You don't have to make it part of the character or develop it. That's for chumps.
Oh the depressed and unstable love interest... AKA so.eone you should NEVER fall in love with, trust me (personal experiance) they will suck your soul, your happiness, znd your very life-force from you.
Hey I have a good idea. I think no one has ever done this one! Maybe, the protagonist and the love interest, maybe they actually somewhat dislike eachother in the beginning! I love how original I am!
Hollywood rule no. 3350: if two main characters (or one main and one secondary) are attractive and have different sets of genitalia they will end up together no matter what made them split before plot and/or how much they hate each other Hollywood rule no. 3587: if two main male characters act a little too gay one of them will get bland, one dimensional love interest thus creating a love triangle only fans can see
Hollywood rule no. 3588: if no love interest is given to one of the gay male characters, one will written out, be it death or moving away. That way pr can say their product is progressive for the presence of progressive elements rather than any tasteful or respectful execution of said progressive elements.
I was gonna say gender isn’t defined by genitals but then realised that Hollywood would never actually include transgender people in their stories anyway...
Females and males can never be friends, they always have to end up together (even if they’ve shown no romantic interest in the friend). What if they have more than one friend of the opposite sex? LOVE TRIANGLE
This remember me of something I'm going to write about. This girl and guy are going to be best friends, but I know that everyone reading is most likely going to start shipping it, and I'll tease them along, as the characters will joke about getting married, having sex, and starting a family. In one scene, they are pretending to get married, and after that scene, the guy pulls the girl aside. I'll set the mood up for a love confession and a kiss, but it's not like that at all as the characters are only best friends.
Don't forget the already established strong female characters that suddenly become damsels when the 'hero' arrives! Who cares if she could handle herself most of the time, when the hero arrives she seemingly forgets how to be awesome!
Or an alleged strong female character who everyone says is strong but never actually does anything to demonstrate she is actually strong and just gets kidnapped on a regular basis.
I would love for there to be a twist in a story that the female character is just pretending to be weak to boost her love interest's ego. It would be hilarious.
Only as long as there is no chemistry between anyone and it's very clear who will get the main person in the triangle infact it's not even a triangle more of a line with 3 dots because the one in the middle is choosing between the other two and the other two aren't choosing between each other because that's what a triangle would imply
What is funny is that Shippers will ship ANYTHING that movies with anything else. To the point where "Ship bait" today is just when two characters talk to each other. What annoys me is that this now translates over to the writers because THEY can see how easily their community will ship anyone and constantly bait it (by having them talk to each other).
Wait for it. If it hasn't happened already, all that you'll need to have ship bait is two characters existing. No talking to each other. Not even seeing each othe egg through a window. Hell, not even being in the same story/series.
@@kyodarkness9243 Ugh, I hate that one too. Good rivals have a certain chemistry that _can_ translate easily to romance. All those intense stares, passing thoughts, grudging mutual respect, and probably at least one instance where they team up or save the other near the end of the series. Even so, I think I've only seen one rival ship done well.
Just realized up until the helpless part this sums up my OC Luna. I mean she fits all of this but 1, but she literally bullies the main protagonist because he's an outsider. Soooo... Maybe not the love interest?
@@lickmyballs420 Oh god, please don't do this to Luna. I'm imagining her in the YS uniform screaming Baka! and its so cursed when you know her full personality and backstory...
I like how Princess Peach has done both the expanding upon the villain by way of interaction AND hijacked the big bad role in Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door
Pastafari To be entirely fair to Princess I can't remember her name right now(I think it begins with A, but I may be mistaken) from Eragon, her torture scenes with villain Galbatorix(I think that is how you spell his name) do indeed expand upon his character, and expand hers a little as well. But mostly, it's still just the "throw the love interest in the villain's dungeon" trip exemplified.
"Their love should gradually blossom like an ivy: a beautiful invasive ivy that inevitably strangles everything around it as the romance side plot takes over everything else in the story"- Basically how I felt about Throne of Glass XD
Sadly they haven’t even ended. And they are even more retarded than ever. (The show already ended, just stop, there’s no reason to keep insisting in impossible relationships now). (To be honest, I never got why people fought that much for shipping in a show that barely had any romance in it)
@@thecollector4332 I just wish people would be like "eh you have your ship I have mine, let's just respect (or even ignore) each other's ships and carry on with our lives! without bullying anyone!".... but no.. the whole problem is people can't accept that other's have different opinions or interests :( and someone ALWAYS start a fight that gets too carried away until its like whoops looks like 2020 resurrected the ATLA shipping wars and bullying!!! I just want everyone to get along Uncle Iroh would be so disappointed 😔
I swear, contrived romance plots in most movies is what drives me up a wall. They barely interact, laugh once and they're on the floor by the end of the film
It's hillarious how this came out after I finished watching Kingdom Hearts 3. I don't want to spoil anything, but it shouldn't come as a surprise at this point that Kairi is a victim of this video being taken seriously and not as a joke.
@@sodaftpm185 Riku had good character development and Aqua's struggle to reach out to Tera, who was that one friend that has problems but doesn't want to talk about it, was great but KH3 did them a disservice as well.
@@joined_shores_art I seem to be getting myself repeatedly involved in "I love this series I'm also very critical of. And I've spent this much time involved in it, I'm staying until the end."
That sounds like a great story to be fair. Damsel's line of thinking: well if I'm stuck here anyway I might as well take a look at what they're doing and why they're doing it. Hey, actually it turns out I agree with these goals and I also enjoy the feeling of power! But how incredibly inefficient. I'd run this so much better. Hey, there's a thought - why aren't I running this so much better? I'm gonna run this so much better now.
Something similar happened with the women kidnapped by Boko Haram. Not that they took over the organisation. But the more attractive ones that got forcibly married to the chiefs liked the lap of luxury they were in enough to start enjoying the experience and liking the control they had and the respect they gained. Granted, it was literally only because they were the head honcho's wife, and they would've been just as disposable as the slave women if not, but it's interesting to see how quickly they lost investment in their murdered husbands and sons the moment they were tempted enough.
@@DragonNyah I was exactly the opposite to you in my teenage years and I wrote weak books (never finished one - wrote just up to 200-500 pages). Now I am just like you and also can't begin to write the actual book.. Bad writing -> No writing Progress xD The explanation of *lust* was brilliant 👍
"The only thing he loves more than hijacked nuclear weapons, is starting a nuclear family!" Every once in a while you come up with these genius lines, even more than in the rest of your videos, which I actually look to more to avoid tropes than videos that explain what to do.
My favorite is when there is romance in stories that take place over the span of only a few days. I mean, I normally fall madly in love after spending 2 days with someone risking my life too!
@@jamesmortimer4016 so we know when we are injured Alfred and... Some men just want to watch a story or romantic subplot burn . Like literally Rachel got blown up , Harvey got burned and "Bruce blew up" so yeah
Putting a love interest in a loot boxes, now THAT'S funny!! Imagine a critical, and also, EMOTIONAL aspect of a game locked in a RNG system! Imagine all the thirsty sods who will actually buy tons of loot boxes just to unlock the hero's princess? Like, what if Mario wasn't going thru levels to reach Peach, but just to stop Bowser, and in order to save Peach, he needs to buy craptons of loot boxes! And to add further insult, getting Peach adds some bonus to your gameplay, and maybe some flirty cutscenes... But you don't get it until you open enough loot boxes!!
@@Vgamer311 Look, I just didn't know if anyone else had really thought of how big an insult this would be. The implications reached a lot further than his one line. To me, it'd be like the ultimate insult, going along the way and then finding out the only way to save the princess involves literally zero skill!
I hate when people think like that, and people do. Might as well say that you can’t write a good death scene if you’ve never died, or that you can’t write a good post-apocalypse if you’ve never personally experienced the end of the world.
"but he is a staunch traditionalist when it comes to marriage. The only thing he likes more than hijacked nuclear wrapons is starting a nuclear family." You have no idea how hard this made me laugh! It's also a great point.
I'm just going to mention SLAY, a YA book with a really dumb-sounding premise that turned out okay and managed to subvert my expectations. Basically, there's a boy band that secretly kills demons and a girl with a privileged upbringing that ends up with them after her opera-singer mother gets possessed. However, not only does the story focus more on stopping the demons than the expected love hexagon, the only reason the boys are in a band to begin with is because they needed funding and "It was either that or becoming international jewel thieves". Finally, the girl actually doesn't end up with the angsty brooding loner as usually advertised, but with the guy who was genuinely nice to her and with whom she shares several interests, giving them something to bond naturally over.
legend has it, that if a good author speaks about his good ideas, in the distance you will hear Terrible Writing Advice say these magic words: "We can't do any of that!"
I hate it when a character only falls in love with somebody because they saved their life or somethin like that and like that's LITERALLY the only reason they like them not their personality, traits, or anything besides that
I do think the entire "interrupted" moment could be hilarious, if it just happens so often and so contrived enough to be ridiculous, especially if you then allow the characters to actually react with proper exasperation or frustration of how often it happens. Then if you really want to screw things up, have them be so paranoid about being interrupted that when they finally do have an entire night to their own, they are unable to act upon it due to expecting an interruption for the 17th time :D
I was kind of surprised there was no mention of the trope where the love interest happens to also be the "enemy" side. ...but to be honest I have a soft spot for that trope anyway. Otherwise, yeah, so many love interest plots get a little stale. I'm almost waiting for a character who outright states "Hey, world is about to destruct if I don't find that thing, and punch the bad guy. I don't have time for sex, and you might even be a secret corrupting demon succubus, so goodbye!"
The alpha bad boy, obviously! Why fall for someone with similar traits who treats you great when you can fall for the dark gritty antihero who is lowkey a terrible boyfriend!?
@@synflwr this but unironically Sorry if the stupid women dont appreciate the milquetoast good guy hero man who will go to a 9 to 5 job and have sex for procreation under covers and not a demonic dark lord emperor of shadowlands who will throw his kingdoms to his beloved one's feet, im so sorry our tastes are so good and well developed
Depends on the story but it’s always a love triangle with the guys OR he sucks. He whines, acts terribly, is rude to her and other characters, dissapears, doesn’t give a damn (but will show up heroically to save her from a group of bad scary men) because everyone knows that the guy with MANY unresolved issues and who treats you like garbage unless you’re alone with him can be fixed through your love. Do you have a love triangle? One must be the nerdy (yet very attractive) friend from her hometown/planet (Ps. Can also be the first guy she meets in her journey) who has had an unrequited from the start and will probably always win over slightly Broodier and edgy guy with a different and conflicting world view from Guy #1, who she meets later on in the story after being tragically separated from Guy #1. One of them will probably “betray” her, but it will all be a misunderstanding. Whoops! Does she have better chemistry or more sexual tension with Guy #2? Better kill him off heroiclh OR Boom! He’s evil! For a GREAT not-stupid-at-all reason! And the underdog who TRULY loves her must always win
Behold the ultimate cliche of "bad boy gets redeemed by mc". The circumstances are different but that's what it always is at it's core. In romcoms he's probably "just" a dude with massive anger issues, in fantasy he's not even human but a beast who can't control himself or in action/sci-fi he's straight up the fuckin antagonist.
hatFighterGuy Dragon Age 4 the game has 10 romantic options but only one of them is free which is the mage companion that will betray you at the end of the game or last dlc the rest is loot boxex with the higest price is romancing god/goddesse self PS if you preorder now you get an explanation of why the mage betrayed you Real PS sorry for bad english
@@ErikEngholm1988 I hope they don't make a mess of DA4. We were promised to see closer the Tevinter Imperium, one of the few Byzantine inspired states in a fantasy setting!
@@thatfighterguy5846 DA4 is short for Dragon Age 4 and is a bioware game (bioware is own by EA) that is middle/renaissance theme fantasy game where the player have a lot of companies and some of the companions can you romance
How has it been this long before we actually got a video specifically about love triangles? Trick question. _Every_ video is a video about love triangles.
The solution to everything, even writing interesting love interests is obviously the love triangle. Wonder when JP will do a video on writing the PERFECT love triangle.
The answer is you make it more complex. A triangle isn't interesting enough. Take a page out of Negima and make 32 love interests with some of them being in love with each other and the protagonist or just the protagonist or being in love with a love interest and falling for the protagonist.
4:39 "I mean we could wait for the writer to make up his mind on which ship to launch. But between you and me, I don't think he knows how to write women characters." Man, I've seen this happen way too often.
Can you make a video about designing a fantasy map? It was something I've been asking about since the Noble Houses video. Y'know Volcanoes that haven't destroyed the world's environment despite spilling out debris for ten thousand years Magically-splitting rivers with no beginning or end Random biomes thrown together with little regard for how they form in real life Settlements that people decided to build on the side of a cliff, that sees regular earthquakes and becomes a wyvern breeding ground every five years The Dark Lord's hellish, mountainous wasteland filled with ash and bones yet can somehow sustain a population of thousands of minions Harsh frozen wastelands that cannot support life whatsoever, except they do. Somehow. A bunch of cities, usually with either generic or unpronounceable names, utterly incapable of producing anything but one resource. Or, worst of all Slightly modifying and/or flipping the real world map, and making all the cultures a copy-paste of whatever is there in real life.
MAN the unpronounceable cities thing is literally everywhere Can't come up with a town namw? Oh just add "-ville" at the end of everything that will fix it
@@marshateslosing1654 To be fair, there are maaaaaaaaany places in real life with generic/questionable names (at least in the US), so you could argue that the writer simply wanted their city names to be true to life.
The best love interests are those who compliment the protagonist and vice versa. They don't need to share professions or even be rivals, you can use their journeys to show other sides and perspectives if the story. Different strengths and weaknesses, virtues and vices. One's journey do not pause to wait for the other's, use the times when they intersect to both push character growth and drive the story forward.
Remember kids, if a male character and a female character breathe the same air for 0.2 seconds then they're destined to be together.
Love writing strong male/female friendships and then watching them get romanticized.
Fanfic in a nutshell
Who said they had to be opposite genders? With shippers there are no limits.
*agreed...and to expand on this trope just a bit more...if their gazes lock for even the briefest of moments (such as a picosecond (which is one trillionth of a second for those interested in factual accuracy) their narrative fates have already been written and intertwined ...there separation can be prolonged and humorously kept apart for only for so long but eventually despite the needs of the moment or the serious of their situation they will hold each other in an over exaggerated embrace ...much to the eye rolling and annoyance of their companions who are fighting off fell beasts and approaching zombies*
Untrue :(
You don't even NEED relationships in a story because the fan base will do that for you!
Why write relationships when fanfiction can do that just as well?
@@8jijjoo126 Sometimes better.
Sad, but all too true nowadays...
Even when the "couple" just interact ONE TIME in the entire plot/series.
@@elizabethashley42 And sometimes worse (although considering Twilight you would think that the bar could not be set lower but apparently it can)
Welcome to girls' romance novels drinking game! Take a shot everytime:
- they start out hating each other
- he's a tease
- he's a rich boy with daddy issues
- she's supposed to be strong and independent but...
- she describes his eyes for waaaaay too long
- he's a bad boy but has a soft side that he only shows to her
- he's got emotional baggage
- there's a blonde love rival and/or bully
- he's possesive
- he's doing something creepy but everyone acts like it's something totally normal
- she thinks of herself as plain and average but everyone talks about how special she is
- she's 16
- he's the most popular guy in school
- Mary Sue and/or Larry Stu
- she's so clumsy and silly
- she's not like other girls
- he's got huuuuuge abs
- it's a highschool/dystopian future
- there's a misunderstanding
- he says something along the lines of "when I'm with you, I can't control myself"
- he's a supernatural creature
- she's so clumsy and silly
- she's not like other girls
- he's the most popular guy in school
OMG! I HATE THESE TROPES! lol
- she thinks of herself as plain and average but everyone talks about how special she is
Eh. That's most teen girls. Puberty causes a massive low self-esteem drop.
Died of alcohol
Look at my guy trying to kill everyone using alcohol
Lmao I'm writing a story on overused wattpad stories and this helped me make a bland, overused love interest. Thanks! :D
*alcohol induced coma or poisoning by chapter 5*
Wanna quickly solve a love-triangle? Make two of the characters secretly related and have them find out about it!
Wanna have a sudden twist? They’re in Alabama.
@@OwenLearnsDrawing I was rather thinking Dagobah, but I can't really argue with that either.
Ninjago almost took that turn in Season 4...
The Children of Hurin
Star Wars kind of did that.
“Let’s kiss in the middle of the battle and possibly get everyone killed.”
Everyone apparently
Enemy soldier 1: "Hey, look! Those two are kissing in the middle of this battle!"
Enemy soldier 2: "Sweet! Two lovebirds with one stone."
@@louisduarte8763 It's the way they would have wanted it. Dying in the embrace of there lover. Hell, I would write a scene where two starcrossed lovers die that way. It will be like Romeo and Juliette, only with badass action and less creepy. The dude was hitting on a girl fresh into "adulthood" as a rebound.
Aye Aquaman pulled it off not going to go into detail and spoil it but pulled it off
Well, if everyone kisses in the middle of the battle, the battle would come to a screeching halt, and no one would get killed.
Happened in AQUAMAN lmao
I love how much of a subversion Fiona is to this trope. People meme Shrek so much they forget that it's actually a really well written movie
The 1st and 2nd movies were very good. Then the 3rd and 4th one came and destroyed all the good writing and worldbuilding.
Shrek had worldbuilding?
Also fiona isn't that much of a subversion.
Fiona was a pretty okay character.
Opinion.
I loved the movies and didn't really realize how heavily it had been memed for a long time. Well... I agree that the first two were good, but tbh I don't really even remember the other ones
Here's an idea for next Terrible Writing Advice: Parents. There are a lot of over used parent tropes like the nincompoop dad, the nagging mother, the dead parents, the close minded/prejudice parent, etc.
The video would be too short because EVERYONE IS AN ORPHAN. Lol. On a serious note, parents in fiction are the most annoying element for me, because I love my family and my family loves me, while in every story the character is either abandoned, abused or simply doesn't have a family.
@@shadowwolfcat13 families in stories are usually shitty or dead because the main character needs fewer things tying them down and more reason for them to leave to go on the adventure. Like in Star Wars, Luke would have never went off with obi wan if his adoptive family wasnt vaporized, dragging him away from that "crazy old man" and be forever stuck on the farm. You dont want the mc to be pressured into going home during the adventure like "oh man my mom got sick sorry guys i gotta go :( ". Look at any story you know where the characters have abusive or dead parents and imagine how much of a nag it would be if they were alive and not assholes.
And let's not forget the abusive parents. Why bother giving your characters depth or personality when you can quickly and easily give them a horrible dad or mom or both just to make me sympathize and root for them?
@@extremelight9258 usually for the same reasons i mentioned.
Don't forget over protectiveness, alcoholic dad/mom, emotionally neglecting parents, and evil step parents
"I'm offended!"
"I'm offended that you're offended!"
Twitter in a nutshell.
@Isaac Phillips Now this is Twitter
@Isaac Phillips HAHAH
I can’t believe you’d say something so offensive. Now you’d better be offended by my getting offended or I’ll be offended again.
@@lamarepository248 okay, now I'M offended!
And now you're offended that they're offended by someone being offended
Dude... Damsel in distress becoming a villain after being kidnapped sounds like an awesome twist :D
So long as it serves her character and doesn’t turn her into a generic mind controlled servant with no personality beyond tool of the villain to be kissed back to status quo by the hero.
SuperRegic nah fam meaning like BECOMING the villain as in deposing the initial big bad
@@SuperRegic
She married the bad guy and then killed him for the inheritance. She is now empress of the evil empire.
Damsel in distress turning out to have been a greater villain all along works too.
maxmetalknight if you want a show with that, watch Galavant on Netflix. It’s hilarious and definitely worth a watch
You left out the pointless argument or misunderstanding cliche. Why have a relationship grow organically, when a pointless fight will do?
OMG I saw my girlfriend having a conversation with another guy! The only rational explanation is they're having an affair!! {freaks out}
And here I thought that all stories were propelled by conflict....................
...or you could also make the love interest a Yandere. I'm sure that will create enought dramma for the entire story. Better yet, combine the Yandere archetype with the misunterstanding cliche. That will never get old.
Oh, no! My boyfriend came home three minutes late! It's not like he got held up a couple minutes at work or in traffic! WHO IS SHE!?
I read a story about a couple that were fighting (I think the guy cheated on the girl) and when the girl tried to call him he answered and she heard another girl on the phone. Guy tried to explain but she just hung up and then they didn't see each other anymore after that. 4 years later the girl's miserable and the guy's successful and is with the other girl on the phone. They see each other and the guy explains that the girl was only there to like comfort him and give him some advice. Then they get back together so...yey?¿
Okay, the real question: How does a writer who has never had a love interest or relationship, write one?
Thanks to eroge? Sadly that is usually what happen..
@@TheRezro Are you perhaps implying that real life relationships are not based on stockholm syndrome and excessive hedonism?
@@nazamroth8427 Well, there is many types of relations but those mentioned usually don't last long.
So you have never been in a relationship..
Have you had Unrequited love (one-side love)?
If yes then you might write about rejected love. Or an unhappy, or unhealthy love interest. This can also work well 👍
@@Draber2b Well, i was mostly referring to all those Webnovel/Light novel writers who either overidealize, or severely distort the idea.
As for myself, I have absolutely no idea what love is like, or feels like. I am dispassionate to the point that my friends accused me of being from Vulcan, and customers, of being a robot...
"The worst she will endure is the villain might force her to marry him"
*SAO laughing in the distance*
/rape intensifies
*PTSD FLASHBACKS INTENSIFIES*
Oh god don’t remind me...
GOSH I hated alfeim online
Naruto the Last: "Hold my Beer"
I think you forgot The Misunderstanding. The ultimate plotstopper in any romantic plot!
metademetra. Man gives flowers to woman; woman is allergic to said flowers. Despite having never told man,about this allergy, woman scolds him and runs off, but her scolding is ambiguous and unrelated to the flowers, so man believes that woman hates him. They both fester and brood alone for the next four chapters so that the romance does not begin to early. What do you think? I am trying to become a good writer myself.
aH not that one
It gets annoying quickly
@BlueGlues Don't forget where horny bitch tries to seduce man, he rejects her but she aggressively kisses him and in that exact moment, woman comes in, and cue "It's not what it looks like" and all that drama....
What I love about the forced misunderstanding is that it can usually always be easily cleared up just by a phone call or a conversation or by you know communicating lol
@@hetty100 What? Do you expect the characters to act like human beings? But how will I keep the cheap drama going on then?
"You could replace the love interest with a briefcase and the story wouldn't be any different!" Well, except for the out of place sex scene between the protagonist and the love interest. That would certainly be.... different if you made that change.
Unless that briefcase have a doll in there, then you can still have that scene.
That sounds like an interesting thing to read... not in a good way
Samsonite QR-15 Executive Deluxe whispered,"Oh baby, fiddle my poorly-manufactured cylinder locks. Press my tabs! PULL MY HANDLE!!!!"
You could say that those scenes would be ...brief...
@@kiraogola6043 Go home. You're drunk.
How to make love interest
1.Make soulless plot device
2.add breast
If in Sci-Fi setting;
3. Add more breasts
@@Mariusweeddeath
Even if there reptilian (halo)
In school life:
4.Make brest as big as you can before its Pg 13 so we don't get bannes from the Christian minecraft server.
If in fan fiction:
make him gay
Sounds about right.
My pet peeve in any romantic plot: "We interrupt this program for the two love interests to have a make out session, even though people are literally f****** dying out there."
YES IM LOOKING AT YOU SARAH J. SHE-SLEPT-WITH-HIM-AS- SHE-DESCRIBED-THE-SOUNDS-OF-PEOPLE-DYING-OUTSIDE MAAS
I know I'm a year late, but the stormlight archive has a scene where a high prince is making out with his mistress in the middle of a huge battle for survival against a demonic enemy while 2 supernatural disasters are about to collide and create a unique cataclysm
@@queer-ios3155* Blew him
pirates of the Caribbean, Will and Elizabeth literally get married on a boat, in a malestorm, with battle raging around them
I honestly love this so much since I find it hilarious when it happens.
"Pair the spares" and "Hit them and ship them" is like THE mottos for most, if not ALL shipping corners of fandoms now.
I lost it when he said that, spot on! XD
I feel like the writer of "Death Note" made such a blatant point that Shinigami CAN'T have sex just to discourage rampant shippers. Not that it did any good...
🤣🤣🤣 Freakin' yes. It's nightmare
I don't think that matters though. It's fandom. So it doesn't mean anything. But it matters when actual professional writers who control the canon are writing stupid bullshit.
Cough cough, (wheel of time), COUGH COUGH
I was researching how to write a love interest when I got the notification for this video.
I am now convinced that Terrible Writing Advice is an eldritch abomination that is stalking me.
I think the eldritch abomination you're thinking of is actually called Google Analytics
Considering that this was posted 3 minutes before you found and commented on this I think it's safe to say
A love triangle shaped eldritch abomination :P
I was thinking about writing a story and I was thinking about the love interest when I saw this video.
Nah, it is not nearly as racist, xenophobic, elitist, or technophobic.
Love how there was unresolved sexual tension between JP and the love triangle all through the video.
He seriously needs to just ask it out already.
Just like my fanfiction.
Hey! My fanfic "JP x Love Triangle heart heart uwu part 394" came before yours you t w a t f a k e f an
@@marshateslosing1654 Psht. You ONLY did JP x LT? Everyone knows its JP x LT x CO-- Chosen One. Even fanfics are improved by love triangles!
@@Ahalaya GASP how could I have forgotten
Lmao you both are fabulous XD I can't breath
To be fair, the "Villain marrying the Distress Damsel" trope has a lot more play in fantasy/historical tropes involving royalty. Oftentimes the villain is more interested in acquiring the heroine's power, title and land, and sex with her is just a bonus.
@DJ Mutt Jafar of Aladdin
Don't know that's makes better.
@DJ Mutt SAO...
@@fightingmedialounge519 I mean historically that's all marriages between powerful and royal families were about. These types of villains are no more evil than the girls parents are for wanting to secure a treaty and protect their citizens. Really the real villain is any feudal or royal monarchy system.
@@vullord666 again, historically accurate or not, really isn't the best idea to include in your story.
If you are actually able to create a romance between two people that clearly love each other, then it is absolutely imperative that one of those people gets killed by the main villain for no reason than to anger the surviving spouse! Because successful relationships are BOOOOOOORING and anti-heroes that chase the killers of their partner are an infinite well of excitement that will TOTALLY never run dry.
o god, that happens a lot in xianxia and i fucking hate it, it destroys the character personality and makes it bland
It's there another way to get the NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUU! Shout in pain from the main character? Maybe, but I'm to lazy to write it, so I'm just gonna kill one of the lovers, best NOOOOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUU and most original ever! :3
Or just just kill both.
Guilty.
Reminds me of tangled, but the dying spouse gets resurrected with the help of hairy plot device
"With all the grace, subtlety, and elegance of a strategic carpet bombing campaign"
And I already lost it. Saving this one.
Just add some Johannes Strauss in the background and it's all nice and lovely
Oof yeah
I love the smell of Mary Sue in the morning, smells like lazy
@@josea.moreno5125 My favorite fabreeze flavor
I love romances that come naturally. Like, two companions that start as friends, face danger and adversity together, get to know one another more and more, and grow to trust one another. Over time, this trust grows deeper, turning into love down the line.
However, it shouldn't take over the plot, but rather be shown through characterization and interactions. Reactions to choices is also a good tool, like when one of them crosses a line and the other calls them out on it.
Most importantly, however: JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE IN A RELATIONSHIP DOESN'T MEAN THEIR PERSONALITIES CHANGE OUT OF A SUDDEN!
If two characters hook up, they are still the same people. They just became open about their feelings for one another, look out for their partner more often, and maybe get more physical in their interactions sometimes, but will still act like before apart from that.
I was doing something like that in my story. The boy (Travis) and girl (Rosa) got really close and Travis was preparing to ask her out. He decided to do it but then Rosetta confessed to being a lesbian. They still stayed super close friends and the awkwardness died out after about 3 days. They both found romance eventually, but their friendship was so close that they still spent most of their time together even after marriage.
This comment is 11 months old, but I still want to inform you, that I just screenshotted your comment. I always wanted to write a story with a "calm" love story (aka not teenagers that get into confusing messes), but never knew how to do it, so I'll keep your advice as part of my "How to do it" structure
Tidus & Yuna in FF10 pretty much. Its all related to the main quest and each become a shoulder to lean on for being a fish out of water or the fear of the pilgrimages end.
That sounds an awful lot like a story (in the form of a web comic, hopefully) I'm planning, as yet unnamed. The story follows, well, a boy and a girl, who, you guessed it, end up being together.
The girl (Elizabeth) is actually a half-demon, called a demibeast in my setting. The interesting thing with demibeasts is that they have three forms - their "natural" form, which is basically human with demon features (horns, wings, tail), their human form, and their full demonic form, which is usually impossible to shift to unless it's "unlocked", basically by very strong negative emotions such as despair or hatred, etc. It takes energy to keep up their human and demonic forms, so when they're not in human company, they can drop their human form, but I digress.
Being a demibeast means that Elizabeth has much superior physical capabilities (strength, agility, endurance, etc.), even in her human form. However, this can be seen as unnatural, for obvious reasons, and so she generally shuts herself off from people (cue traumatic childhood experience). There is one particular incident in her past, when she first started secondary school, where another (female) student was picking on her (in fact it ran quite deep and was full-on bullying), and she finally snapped and beat the girl up. This made everybody at least dislike her, as the bully was a "popular girl" and Elizabeth shut herself off even more from other people, and had no friends in school whatsoever.
Okay, backstory complete, let's fast forward a few years to where the story actually takes place.
So Elizabeth is half-demon, what is this boy (as yet, unnamed) then? Well he's actually an exorcist (he goes round fighting and banishing spirits and demons). Now his backstory is nowhere near as fleshed-out as Elizabeth's, so I won't really go into it, but basically he was taught, in secret, by his grandfather (not even his parents know about it, although there are a bit concerned about his "weird hobbies"). He's not the best at fighting though; he knows some basic martial arts but simply lacks raw power, which is a problem many exorcists face, especially as their foes are generally much more powerful than them anyway. This means they generally make a contract with a demon to fight for them, obviously with a price (the exorcist's should being the most common). For this reason, his grandfather absolutely forbids him from doing it and never taught him how to do the summoning ceremony. However, a couple of years ago, his grandfather left and basically completely disappeared, so the boy (he really needs a name) starts learning the dark arts himself, and it all culminates on the night where the story begins. He summons a demon, who just so happens to be Elizabeth, his classmate.
I haven't worked out the exact details of their contract, but they form one, although Elizabeth is initially against the idea. She finds him annoying at first (she's a bit of a tsundere too) but gradually develops feelings for him. This all comes to a head when, after the final battle of at least the first arc, she truly accepts her own feelings, realising that he's the only person wh ever wanted anything to do with her.
I realise most of that was actually backstory and I didn't really explain their interactions in detail, but I thought it was important that you understood the characters well.
Will and Elizabeth Turner (Pirates of the Caribbean)
Han Solo and Leia (Star Wars)
Peter Parker and Mary Jane (Spiderman 2002-2007)
Shrek and Fiona (Do I even have to say?)
Revan and Bastilla (Knights of the Old Republic)
Gutts and Casca (Berserk)
Rock and Revy (Black Lagoon, though as a note it's never said if they have or haven't hooked up, but honestly I think it's better that way so the fans can keep guessing on what's going to happen next in the series)
Hiccup and Astrid (How to train your dragon series)
I need a story where the Dark Lord kidnaps the love interest, and while the hero is on a quest to save her, the Dark Lord and the love interest realize they have a ton in common, fall in love, and oppose the hero together at the climax, much to the hero’s horror/confusion.
It's not identical, but Braid is sort of like that in the ending, I think.
Uhm strange magic has it all but it is pretty boring for me at least
What about rayearth
There was an episode of Wander Over Yonder with a similar plot twist: the love interest and the villain had been interested in each other all along, the "villain" didn't kidnap her and wasn't even a villain, and the "hero" was just a stalker. It then flipped it in a different way when the "hero" kidnapped the love interest, but she managed to beat him on her own.
That's an ancient greek story. The hero goes on a quest to do something heroic, saves the girl but she goes crazy at the end and kills him. Or their sons somehow don't recognize them and kill them. Or he saves her, finds another woman and leaves her on an island. The other woman goes crazy and does strange magic so he kills his own people and they come and kill him but in their rage kill the witch too. So the hero, the princess and the witch are dead at the end.
Yes. Because two people looked at each other for an extended period of time they MUST be in love!
There actually are some psychological signs that suggest prolonged looks with the eyes beginning to dilate is a sign of sexual desire, or murderous intent.
"Sexual desire or murderous intent" are we talking humans or praying mantis?
“Wow, your eyes are quite nice... I SHALL KILL YOU!”
@@feralchangeling97 huh...
@@scorpixel1866 Yes
"I'm offended that you're offended"
...JP, you're a genius
Excuse me, sir, your profile picture has already been taken.
I didn't read LOTR wot
His genius offends me.
@@4vesta255 You offended me
Random Guy I am offended at your offence.
If the love interest is already spoken for, make their partner insufferable to justify stealing them. It's okay because... Protagonist!
This always bugs me... Their partner might as well have a target on his back with a death clock over his head counting down to either his death or his slide to becoming inhuman. I HAVE seen exceptions mind you.
It's even better when it happens in soap operas. Depending on which character is the Writer's Pet the person who's spouse they're stealing doesn't even have to be unlikable. It's just okay because they love the target of their affections more and are therefore entitled to them, even if the person who's spouse they're stealing is a close friend or relative and the couple have kids together. They'll wait for any kind of marital strife to hit the couple, then take advantage of the love interest but call it "being there for them" to make it sound noble. Then, once they have what they want, the relationship will get torpedoed when the love interest does the same thing they did to their last spouse (frequently WITH their last spouse). Either that, or the Writer's Pet themself goes to someone else for "comfort" or "support", but because they're the Writer's Pet it'll be painted like it's the love interest's fault for whatever they did to drive them into the arms of someone else. Then, a week after the relationship ends, they'll be ready to declare their love for someone else and get into a serious, committed, totally-not-a-rebound relationship.
@@RandomJayne *TL;DR-*
_It's a soap opera, so- DRAMA!_ =^p
(I mean this is a summary for people who didn't read your comment all the way through. _I did,_ but I understand not everyone will.)
Get the fiance
Out of the way
And the whole thing will be fixed!
Especially in high school dramas and romantic comedies .The main character is usually an a-hole. Maybe the jock is a bully because our protagonist keeps trying to steal their girl/guy. And for what? So they can bang them?
"The only thing he likes more than hijacked nuclear weapons, is starting a nuclear family."
lol
Everyone knows Twilight is the best example of a realistic love interest
Totally
To be fair, I see a lot of Twilight tropes in CW shows. It can’t take all of the blame.
I remember when my boyfriend broke into my house and watched me sleep. That was so romantic!!
uno dos is this a Buffy reference?
It was, until Bella decided to go with Edward instead of Jacob.
What if the love interest actually does hook up withe villain, and reform, but the the hero keeps going after them out of spite as he slowly becomes the true villain of the story?
Sounds a little like the plot for Megamind, if it were written from Hal's perspective...
But, like, Megamind was good.
The first half of that is the start of Galavant. "Sorry, dear, I've thought about this really hard and... I'm going to take the fame and fortune."
I don't like it. Sounds cheesy.
So...Beauty and the Beast?
This should be good. I expect a love dodecahedron
Not enough complexity.
It needs to be four intersecting pentagonal dodecahedrons.
@@kurokitsune1939 we need a soccer ball of love. 20 pentagos connected with 36 hexagons.
I have 120 dodecahedra, but even that isn't enough
Love Apeirotope FTW
I thought it was more of a truncated icosahedron.
Nah nah nah we need a love *_FOOD CHAIN,_* Chekhov style!
Romance is my least favorite thing in the world... but now I'm questioning if maybe... that's just because bad romance is the only thing I've ever seen written.
You should check out an anime called "Chivalry of a failed knight." This circumvents the shipping wars by making the couple canon in the 3 episode and actually make the couple go through actual couple issues rather than just romantic and sexual tension.
I WANT YOUR LOVIN AND ALL YOUR REVENGE
_anyone get it?_
It is extremely prevalent, so it's possible. You should check out OverlySarcasticProduction's video on romance tropes. Red, although she's asexual, does an absolutely fantastic job explaining how to write a good romance, and why/how shitty writing can make romances fail or fall flat to audiences. (also she's funny as fuck, so it's worth the watch anyway)
I feel you
The only romace I liked is from the parody version of SAO that is done by fans to fix many of SAO's crappy parts which included the even more crappy romance subplot. If anyone is interested it is done comedicly than actually romanticly(which is probably why I liked it but the romance between the two characters comes suprisingly organic.) You can find it on youtube under the title Sword Art Online: Abridged by Something Witty Entertaintment.
I love my Gary/Mary Sue couples, but... Is that incest?
Random Commenter it’s Gary Stu and Mary Sue
Even if it was, nobody would bring it up. They're both so perfect for each other, because they're equally perfect. Moral and legal standing be damned.
Naw since it’s Gary Stu
just publish your story in japan.
@FoxHunter *Alabama
I am a veteran of the Great Avatar Shipping War, a former member of the Kataang Army! It was hard to readjust to civilian life after such a hateful and bitter war.
It would have been fine if they'd hooked up eventually...but their relationship status was "like siblings" previous to the last episode! And they totally interacted like siblings other than that last episode! Gaaahhhhh....sorry. Forgive and forget!
@@arthurpendragon309 In the past, I would have argued against that. But no way am I getting drawn into that again.
Arthur Pendragon Thank you for this. It makes sense that Aang would have a crush on Katara, but her returning his feelings never made sense to me. He's prepubescent, bald, whiny, and should be a monk. Her and Zuko, on the other hand...now THAT'S how you set up an epic love story.
@@polyhymnia701 Her and Zuko? Epic love story? I'm trying so hard not to fall off the wagon, but jesus christ people...
@@sdagoth3037 I'm sorry! I didn't mean to! I saw the show years later and the bandwagons had already left.
"We'll drown the world in endless terror and blood, but at least we're not EA"
That's one sick burn, bro.
fr tho ea is such a money grabbing company. and yet i've still given them over $760 (not including tax) to buy all the sims 4 packs. the newest one, paranormal stuff, was worth the ten bucks i spent on it though lol
How you should make love interests:
1. Personality to make the character feel real
2. Reason why the character should like another character
3. Reasonable backstory or character development to fit character's behavior
How people sometimes end up making a love interest:
1. "I dON'T nEeD a mAN"
And *Common or Similar Goal* so that the Match is perfect
Honestly!
Make a strong independent woman who don't need no man. She'll be her own woman, one who don't need no man. She doesn't need any other personality because men might like her if that happens. We can't allow that because our character is a strong, independent woman who don't need no man.
Man, the second one pisses me off so bad! 90% of mainstream romances are like this, the story says they're in love but there's no clear reason why, and when there is it's a single trait so generic any other person in their place would do.
The "nO mAn" thingggg UGGGH
Luckily my "strong female character" is more than that
To avoid this trope, just he realistic and not have one, like in real life *sob*
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Matthew Chirino
Like my Grandpa... Wait I feel like there's something wrong with that sentence?
Remember to not have any reason for the characters to be in love, and if they do, make it something simple that would never actually result in the two falling in love in real life, like helping the other up after they fell, or saying the other one's good looking, or literally just smiling.
I recently read a book where the protagonist and the love interest spotted each other on opposite sides of a parade and literally stared at each other until the parade was over. You could tell they were super in love because they would try to peak around the horses in the parade as they went by! When the parade ends they finally talk and the protagonist immediately lies to the interest about his illegal profession. The interest immediately wonders at how she met such a swell and well to do guy in . Then you timeskip to when their relationship has been established and she already knows everything about what he does and why he does it and is ok with it all so that the author can write a sex scene.
@@phyvo - Bruh. That sounds creepy. Like, random stranger, stop staring at me.
Also, the writer seriously cut out all the parts that would have caused issues? Like, entirely?
Remember that not all love interests are created equal. Female protagonists' stories naturally center around what guy she's going to hook up with even if she's busy with some other plotline, because what else do girls care about, so you need to make love interests compelling enough to support the story-often giving them more character than the heroine. Meanwhile, male protagonists' love interests are just a side story, so they can be as bland as needed to make them generically appealing without taking screen time from the hero's heroics.
The female love interest should also not distract from the female friend who is better suited to the protagonist in every way except that she's "one of the guys" and couldn't possibly have or inspire those kinds of feelings. If she's not a lesbian, she should end the story either alone or paired with a lowly sidekick for whom she's only ever registered contempt. Actually, even if she is a lesbian, that's what should happen.
Male love interest is just another term for wish fulfillment arm candy.
@@asalways1504 I am offended that you are offended by poorly written love interest.
as
dude you do realize that this video and practically everything else on his channel is too right
love triangle is nothing more than a junior harem
Surprised he doesn't make the point that a love interest that is basically "given" to a protagonist is somehow different then the love interest being "given" to the villain
He does in the chosen one episode
The main character is special because he can piss longer than the villain
Don't forget to add a lot of trauma to your love interest. Sexual, physical and mental! It makes your hero look like a true hero! You don't have to make it part of the character or develop it. That's for chumps.
Oh the depressed and unstable love interest... AKA so.eone you should NEVER fall in love with, trust me (personal experiance) they will suck your soul, your happiness, znd your very life-force from you.
-Oh my god, he's a decent human being! I think I'm in love!
-Oh my god, she's mildly attractive! I think I'm in love!
The lack of an Oxford comma gives me mental trauma
And if you write a character with trauma, PLEASE never make it actually factual and always only make it show up when it's convenient 🥴
The Arm grab thing is a really weird trope when you point it out
You have a point there...
I kinda want that to happen now, and the the arm grabber gets their arm ripped off
Maybe it turns her on too much for her to reasonably continue fighting?
@@oneofmanyparadoxfans5447 She could just kick him
It's a way for the villain to grab a female without it looking like sexual assault.
I hated that i. Mortal Kombat, although the plot explicitly said Shang Tsung brought her because she was easiest to beat.
Hey I have a good idea. I think no one has ever done this one!
Maybe, the protagonist and the love interest, maybe they actually somewhat dislike eachother in the beginning!
I love how original I am!
Yeah, and how about it being caused by a pride issue on the females part.
Ooh, Disney and Pixar love this sort of trope (Cars, Zootopia, Tangled, etc). You should go work for them! :D
You must be sarcastic here LOL.
it is less common to see a relationship where characters like each other.
So basically just a typical enemies to lovers trope
I’m guilty for this lmfao.
Hollywood rule no. 3350: if two main characters (or one main and one secondary) are attractive and have different sets of genitalia they will end up together no matter what made them split before plot and/or how much they hate each other
Hollywood rule no. 3587: if two main male characters act a little too gay one of them will get bland, one dimensional love interest thus creating a love triangle only fans can see
thats how twilight ended with bella
Independence Day, Deep Impact, Bruce Almighty, GI Joe, Robocop, Terminator, Hulk, etc: are we a joke to you?
Hollywood rule no. 3588: if no love interest is given to one of the gay male characters, one will written out, be it death or moving away. That way pr can say their product is progressive for the presence of progressive elements rather than any tasteful or respectful execution of said progressive elements.
I was gonna say gender isn’t defined by genitals but then realised that Hollywood would never actually include transgender people in their stories anyway...
@@synflwr
Even if they did it still wouldn't matter in the slightest because no one mentioned gender.
Females and males can never be friends, they always have to end up together (even if they’ve shown no romantic interest in the friend). What if they have more than one friend of the opposite sex? LOVE TRIANGLE
People of _the same sex_ can never just be really close friends either, lest the _fandom_ decide "they should totally be a couple already."
ChaosRayZero at least that's only in the fandom, not the boring shitty m/f romances we get in canon
This remember me of something I'm going to write about. This girl and guy are going to be best friends, but I know that everyone reading is most likely going to start shipping it, and I'll tease them along, as the characters will joke about getting married, having sex, and starting a family. In one scene, they are pretending to get married, and after that scene, the guy pulls the girl aside. I'll set the mood up for a love confession and a kiss, but it's not like that at all as the characters are only best friends.
@@suffercore4483 You are going to have a LOT of enraged fans
@@suffercore4483 you're so brave
Don't forget the already established strong female characters that suddenly become damsels when the 'hero' arrives! Who cares if she could handle herself most of the time, when the hero arrives she seemingly forgets how to be awesome!
Hooray for Chickification/Ukefication!
Sword Art Online lol
Or an alleged strong female character who everyone says is strong but never actually does anything to demonstrate she is actually strong and just gets kidnapped on a regular basis.
I mean, we all know a woman's upper arm is her off button.
I would love for there to be a twist in a story that the female character is just pretending to be weak to boost her love interest's ego. It would be hilarious.
Remember this:
If your love triangle is full, just intersect it with ANOTHER LOVE TRIANGLE!
love tesseract
Love Hexagon?
*Laughs in Miraculous Ladybug*
There's actually subtrope of love triangle like that, its called love dodecahedron
@@miamedory2682
Please don’t remind me of the love hexagon with four people
@@starlightmoone Not four, six people. _Sorry_
*Love triangles always make a good story, right?*
Y E S
always
Love triangles?? Pffffff, I use love pentagons
Only as long as there is no chemistry between anyone and it's very clear who will get the main person in the triangle infact it's not even a triangle more of a line with 3 dots because the one in the middle is choosing between the other two and the other two aren't choosing between each other because that's what a triangle would imply
*Y E S*
@@kwayke9
*Love dodecahedrons
What is funny is that Shippers will ship ANYTHING that movies with anything else. To the point where "Ship bait" today is just when two characters talk to each other. What annoys me is that this now translates over to the writers because THEY can see how easily their community will ship anyone and constantly bait it (by having them talk to each other).
Wait for it. If it hasn't happened already, all that you'll need to have ship bait is two characters existing. No talking to each other. Not even seeing each othe egg through a window. Hell, not even being in the same story/series.
It's already a thing in Pokemon. It doesn't even matter if they are in different universe.
I know right?
I mean, i respect it but this thing pisses me off.
That and shipping the rivals JUST because they are rivals
@@kyodarkness9243 Ugh, I hate that one too. Good rivals have a certain chemistry that _can_ translate easily to romance. All those intense stares, passing thoughts, grudging mutual respect, and probably at least one instance where they team up or save the other near the end of the series. Even so, I think I've only seen one rival ship done well.
@@kyodarkness9243 I hate that X3
"put the love interest in a loot box"
Gacha games: I'm offended.
Everyone with 1/10th of a functioning brain cell: I'm offended that your offended.
"The worst she will endure is the villain forcing her to marry him"
*Ninjago season 6 laughing in the distance*
I was think of mario odyssey
Bruh wtf happened in ninjago I haven't seen that shit in forever
I wasn't actually expecting any other Ninjago fans to be here.
What happened,I forgot
@@mynameisunknown651 Nadakahn I think. A genie came and tried to marry Nia or something. He dies in the end by getting shot from a poison dart.
"A simple arm grab can disable even the fiercest warrior woman"
*SCREAMS*
So SAO and that Supergirl show, and Heroes?
@@sodaftpm185 oh no , don't remind us to SAO EXPECILLIE ALO
Remember to always include a love triangle. Hell, go beyond and make it a love *pentagon*
A love dodecahedron
@@striker8961 A love pendecahedron
a love icosahedron? Damn, now THAT's a long running harem anime.
@@ZenoDLC a love terriblewritingadvicehedron
You mean like Rosario + Vampire?
If she ain't a white straight thin smart yet helpless woman she AIN'T the love interest
@Christopher Stanley And don't forget the daughter of the chieftain of the tribe of "exotic" native stereotypes.
And the "wild chocolate skin strong woman"
Just realized up until the helpless part this sums up my OC Luna. I mean she fits all of this but 1, but she literally bullies the main protagonist because he's an outsider. Soooo... Maybe not the love interest?
SYNFLWR nope! she’s just a tsundere. It’s kinda a overused trope but if you write it well it can work
@@lickmyballs420 Oh god, please don't do this to Luna. I'm imagining her in the YS uniform screaming Baka! and its so cursed when you know her full personality and backstory...
“This trope is practically dead, please don’t bring it back.”
Shigeru Miyamoto: whoops.
Super paper mario did it first.
And that game has a GOOD story that isn’t there to make it slightly more recognizable than shapes.
Reki kawahara is worst with that
No one said Mario was known for great story lines with independent female characters. LOL
@@TheDr502 Rosalina and some of the female characters in the RPGs were decent. The rest like Peach or Daisy or Pauline...
@@xzenitramx666 Just please just don't bring up SAO. That anime is so bad.
I like how Princess Peach has done both the expanding upon the villain by way of interaction AND hijacked the big bad role in Paper Mario: Thousand Year Door
BUT STILL NOTHING BUT A KISS AND CAKE
@@e-tan3911 For Mario, that is.
I mean... We haven't exactly seen Mario do much plumbing have we?
@@Nionivek Dont worry he knows more about cleaning pipes than xou might think
Pastafari To be entirely fair to Princess I can't remember her name right now(I think it begins with A, but I may be mistaken) from Eragon, her torture scenes with villain Galbatorix(I think that is how you spell his name) do indeed expand upon his character, and expand hers a little as well.
But mostly, it's still just the "throw the love interest in the villain's dungeon" trip exemplified.
"Their love should gradually blossom like an ivy: a beautiful invasive ivy that inevitably strangles everything around it as the romance side plot takes over everything else in the story"- Basically how I felt about Throne of Glass XD
YES
@@ordinaryhuman1285 What's Throne of Glass?
@@sodaftpm185 a book series.
Ah I remember the last Airbender shipping wars.....
Not fun times......
Why must we ship? Can’t we just agree with the eternal truth?
Magnus did nothing wrong
Sadly they haven’t even ended. And they are even more retarded than ever. (The show already ended, just stop, there’s no reason to keep insisting in impossible relationships now).
(To be honest, I never got why people fought that much for shipping in a show that barely had any romance in it)
*A:TLA shipping war flashback initiates*
@@thecollector4332 never question shipping, its illogical
@@thecollector4332 I just wish people would be like "eh you have your ship I have mine, let's just respect (or even ignore) each other's ships and carry on with our lives! without bullying anyone!"....
but no.. the whole problem is people can't accept that other's have different opinions or interests :( and someone ALWAYS start a fight that gets too carried away until its like whoops looks like 2020 resurrected the ATLA shipping wars and bullying!!!
I just want everyone to get along Uncle Iroh would be so disappointed 😔
I swear, contrived romance plots in most movies is what drives me up a wall. They barely interact, laugh once and they're on the floor by the end of the film
Make sure you fridge your female love interest in the sequel by the way, so you can start the process all over again.
"Wait a tick, that means I'm single again!" -Austin Powers
This is a fairly rare trope, the only time I can think of the love interest is an old widow by then.
0/10 not enough love triangles
It's hillarious how this came out after I finished watching Kingdom Hearts 3. I don't want to spoil anything, but it shouldn't come as a surprise at this point that Kairi is a victim of this video being taken seriously and not as a joke.
What chemistry does she even have with Sora? Then again, KH does not have any good characterization to begin with.
@@sodaftpm185 Riku had good character development and Aqua's struggle to reach out to Tera, who was that one friend that has problems but doesn't want to talk about it, was great but KH3 did them a disservice as well.
Kh3 dissatisfied me regarding this so much that I started fixing all that in my fanproject out of spite
@@joined_shores_art
I seem to be getting myself repeatedly involved in "I love this series I'm also very critical of. And I've spent this much time involved in it, I'm staying until the end."
"Hit'em and ship'em!"
Best line ever, I will use it for the rest of my life.
That sounds like a great story to be fair. Damsel's line of thinking: well if I'm stuck here anyway I might as well take a look at what they're doing and why they're doing it. Hey, actually it turns out I agree with these goals and I also enjoy the feeling of power! But how incredibly inefficient. I'd run this so much better. Hey, there's a thought - why aren't I running this so much better? I'm gonna run this so much better now.
Raggedy Ann & Andy: A Musical Adventure. Yes, really.
@@kimifw58 thanks! Gonna have to check that out now.
Watch Galavant
I’d be down for that
Something similar happened with the women kidnapped by Boko Haram. Not that they took over the organisation. But the more attractive ones that got forcibly married to the chiefs liked the lap of luxury they were in enough to start enjoying the experience and liking the control they had and the respect they gained. Granted, it was literally only because they were the head honcho's wife, and they would've been just as disposable as the slave women if not, but it's interesting to see how quickly they lost investment in their murdered husbands and sons the moment they were tempted enough.
We are going to use the cheap alternative!
L U S T
That's right!
Long Unresolved Sexual Tension
I died here. My ghost is writing this comment.
@I'm done Silly, you know I can't just write the book. I have to plan every little detail of the story and NEVER actually write anything :D
So you are.... ghostwriting?
@@DragonNyah I was exactly the opposite to you in my teenage years and I wrote weak books (never finished one - wrote just up to 200-500 pages). Now I am just like you and also can't begin to write the actual book..
Bad writing -> No writing
Progress xD
The explanation of *lust* was brilliant 👍
WOLOLO! You're alive again now. Enjoy your breakfast burritos and power naps.
Spooky
"The only thing he loves more than hijacked nuclear weapons, is starting a nuclear family!"
Every once in a while you come up with these genius lines, even more than in the rest of your videos, which I actually look to more to avoid tropes than videos that explain what to do.
I like how the love interest trope hasn’t changed in like 3000 years
I love you 3000.
Sorry I had to.
@@miamedory2682 No you didn't.
@@miamedory2682 I did. You didn't have to because I am now on the verge of tears.
@@kohammy I'm so sorry I couldn't resist myself. :'(
@@miamedory2682 jeez dude, she's his daughter. She not even legal.
My favorite is when there is romance in stories that take place over the span of only a few days. I mean, I normally fall madly in love after spending 2 days with someone risking my life too!
Roses are red
Violets are blue
I am alone
So are you
Why do we feel master wayne
I'm aromantic, so that's fine by me
@@jamesmortimer4016 so we know when we are injured Alfred and...
Some men just want to watch a story or romantic subplot burn .
Like literally Rachel got blown up , Harvey got burned and "Bruce blew up" so yeah
How did you know-
im never alone. i have the millions of dust mites eating the dead skin on my bed as we speak
Putting a love interest in a loot boxes, now THAT'S funny!! Imagine a critical, and also, EMOTIONAL aspect of a game locked in a RNG system! Imagine all the thirsty sods who will actually buy tons of loot boxes just to unlock the hero's princess?
Like, what if Mario wasn't going thru levels to reach Peach, but just to stop Bowser, and in order to save Peach, he needs to buy craptons of loot boxes! And to add further insult, getting Peach adds some bonus to your gameplay, and maybe some flirty cutscenes... But you don't get it until you open enough loot boxes!!
Haha, yes. Jokes are funnier when you explain them in great detail.
@@Vgamer311 Look, I just didn't know if anyone else had really thought of how big an insult this would be. The implications reached a lot further than his one line. To me, it'd be like the ultimate insult, going along the way and then finding out the only way to save the princess involves literally zero skill!
Don’t give EA ideas
don't you dare give EA ideas
Thats a gacha game
> This trope is practically dead. Please don’t bring it back.
Bowser: I’m about to do what’s called a pro gamer move
ikr XD
Can't write a love interest if you've never had a love interest.
*Cries in loneliness*
Edit: yes, it's a joke.
I hate when people think like that, and people do. Might as well say that you can’t write a good death scene if you’ve never died, or that you can’t write a good post-apocalypse if you’ve never personally experienced the end of the world.
Anything can be done if it's done well.
nah it's possible. it's like saying you need to be shooting people in order to write an action book/movie.
7 BILLION people youll find someone
@@stayskeptic3923 im the kinda pearson that wouldent kill my self but if someone pointed a gun at my head i wouldent beg for my life
Anime in a nutshell
Ha, I got here before you lol
Well, well, well. Looks like you only have a few likes. Good!
Are you just subscribed to everything? This is a legitimate question.
Why are you everywhere?
If you're going to insist on commenting on every video before you even start watching, could you at least try to make it less obvious?
Can you add character deaths to your list? I can only imagine what you'd do with that topic.
"but he is a staunch traditionalist when it comes to marriage. The only thing he likes more than hijacked nuclear wrapons is starting a nuclear family." You have no idea how hard this made me laugh! It's also a great point.
Love triangles are what gives fan fiction oxygen and the will to ruin fandoms. Wait, I actually mean make totally better.
You mean make fandoms WAY BETTER right?!
The war rages on between those who ship Bumblebee and those who ship Black Sun...
On the plus side, Tauradonna is straight up dead.
@@festethephule7553 Literally.
*laments the state of the Voltron: Legendary Defender fandom*
@@utubrGaming
My point exactly.
1:44 I can actually hear you smiling as you say your lines.
Hah, he does sound likes hes smiling! Well noticed
I can also hear smiling in a lot of songs and it’s so weird and cool..?
I'm just going to mention SLAY, a YA book with a really dumb-sounding premise that turned out okay and managed to subvert my expectations.
Basically, there's a boy band that secretly kills demons and a girl with a privileged upbringing that ends up with them after her opera-singer mother gets possessed. However, not only does the story focus more on stopping the demons than the expected love hexagon, the only reason the boys are in a band to begin with is because they needed funding and "It was either that or becoming international jewel thieves". Finally, the girl actually doesn't end up with the angsty brooding loner as usually advertised, but with the guy who was genuinely nice to her and with whom she shares several interests, giving them something to bond naturally over.
legend has it, that if a good author speaks about his good ideas, in the distance you will hear Terrible Writing Advice say these magic words:
"We can't do any of that!"
I hate it when a character only falls in love with somebody because they saved their life or somethin like that and like that's LITERALLY the only reason they like them not their personality, traits, or anything besides that
Naruto and hinata
karin to sasuke
@@asri1361 not true...
Mikasa Ackerman
You forgot to mention that other male characters are irrelevant just hide the fact that the girl could have fallen in love with any other decent guy
Never forget to have our protagonist express his frustration about sand to the love interest, gatta get dat romantic dialogue BOILING!
And that Lucas had better plot than the sequels
Nothing like complaining and amiting to murder to get a person to like you.
I do think the entire "interrupted" moment could be hilarious, if it just happens so often and so contrived enough to be ridiculous, especially if you then allow the characters to actually react with proper exasperation or frustration of how often it happens. Then if you really want to screw things up, have them be so paranoid about being interrupted that when they finally do have an entire night to their own, they are unable to act upon it due to expecting an interruption for the 17th time :D
I love a good case of trope awareness.
4:40 "I might have to write an actual romantic relationship. I can't write those! I can't even maintain one in real life!"
Remember: The love interest can't be competent! That's SOOOOOOO hard to write, after all.
I was kind of surprised there was no mention of the trope where the love interest happens to also be the "enemy" side. ...but to be honest I have a soft spot for that trope anyway. Otherwise, yeah, so many love interest plots get a little stale. I'm almost waiting for a character who outright states "Hey, world is about to destruct if I don't find that thing, and punch the bad guy. I don't have time for sex, and you might even be a secret corrupting demon succubus, so goodbye!"
jgunner280 that bad guy/girl x good girl/guy is called a Nazi romance trope.
*talks about pointless last minute love interest "arcs"*
*uses voltron as example*
10/10
But seriously, Voltron stopped making sense after season 4.
The romsnce plot was somehow worse than Korra.
Super Mel18 This is too accurate omg.
Which one. I don’t think they got one really right
Voltron: Legendary Dumpster fire
It’s more bearable when you are blind to ships
But what about love interests for female protagonists?
'Female protagonist marries the cold ceo'
The alpha bad boy, obviously! Why fall for someone with similar traits who treats you great when you can fall for the dark gritty antihero who is lowkey a terrible boyfriend!?
@@synflwr this but unironically
Sorry if the stupid women dont appreciate the milquetoast good guy hero man who will go to a 9 to 5 job and have sex for procreation under covers and not a demonic dark lord emperor of shadowlands who will throw his kingdoms to his beloved one's feet, im so sorry our tastes are so good and well developed
Depends on the story but it’s always a love triangle with the guys OR he sucks. He whines, acts terribly, is rude to her and other characters, dissapears, doesn’t give a damn (but will show up heroically to save her from a group of bad scary men) because everyone knows that the guy with MANY unresolved issues and who treats you like garbage unless you’re alone with him can be fixed through your love. Do you have a love triangle? One must be the nerdy (yet very attractive) friend from her hometown/planet (Ps. Can also be the first guy she meets in her journey) who has had an unrequited from the start and will probably always win over slightly Broodier and edgy guy with a different and conflicting world view from Guy #1, who she meets later on in the story after being tragically separated from Guy #1. One of them will probably “betray” her, but it will all be a misunderstanding. Whoops! Does she have better chemistry or more sexual tension with Guy #2? Better kill him off heroiclh OR Boom! He’s evil! For a GREAT not-stupid-at-all reason! And the underdog who TRULY loves her must always win
Behold the ultimate cliche of "bad boy gets redeemed by mc". The circumstances are different but that's what it always is at it's core.
In romcoms he's probably "just" a dude with massive anger issues, in fantasy he's not even human but a beast who can't control himself or in action/sci-fi he's straight up the fuckin antagonist.
Not quite a dark lord, but the "damsel" becoming the villainess in place of the original villain sort of happens in Galavant.
2:36 Oh please don't give EA any more ideas!
hatFighterGuy Dragon Age 4 the game has 10 romantic options but only one of them is free which is the mage companion that will betray you at the end of the game or last dlc the rest is loot boxex with the higest price is romancing god/goddesse self
PS if you preorder now you get an explanation of why the mage betrayed you
Real PS sorry for bad english
@@ErikEngholm1988 I hope they don't make a mess of DA4. We were promised to see closer the Tevinter Imperium, one of the few Byzantine inspired states in a fantasy setting!
Plutarch Iliadis DA4? What is that?
@@thatfighterguy5846 DA4 is short for Dragon Age 4 and is a bioware game (bioware is own by EA) that is middle/renaissance theme fantasy game where the player have a lot of companies and some of the companions can you romance
Chiang Kai-Shek? Are you back, sir?
How has it been this long before we actually got a video specifically about love triangles? Trick question. _Every_ video is a video about love triangles.
Its rare these days to read a book/ watch a movie/show where there is a boy and girl who are friends who DON'T end up with each other in the end.
Except for pacific rim
Ikr! It is so rare!
The Five Nights at Freddy's movie?
Oh god with all the love triangles I’m shocked it took so long
What love triangle? I see none in this video.
In this case no I’m talking about in general
The solution to everything, even writing interesting love interests is obviously the love triangle.
Wonder when JP will do a video on writing the PERFECT love triangle.
The answer is you make it more complex. A triangle isn't interesting enough. Take a page out of Negima and make 32 love interests with some of them being in love with each other and the protagonist or just the protagonist or being in love with a love interest and falling for the protagonist.
Now im exited for the comedic relief episode
that episode will kil al my plans on writing a book
4:39 "I mean we could wait for the writer to make up his mind on which ship to launch. But between you and me, I don't think he knows how to write women characters."
Man, I've seen this happen way too often.
Can you make a video about designing a fantasy map? It was something I've been asking about since the Noble Houses video. Y'know
Volcanoes that haven't destroyed the world's environment despite spilling out debris for ten thousand years
Magically-splitting rivers with no beginning or end
Random biomes thrown together with little regard for how they form in real life
Settlements that people decided to build on the side of a cliff, that sees regular earthquakes and becomes a wyvern breeding ground every five years
The Dark Lord's hellish, mountainous wasteland filled with ash and bones yet can somehow sustain a population of thousands of minions
Harsh frozen wastelands that cannot support life whatsoever, except they do. Somehow.
A bunch of cities, usually with either generic or unpronounceable names, utterly incapable of producing anything but one resource.
Or, worst of all
Slightly modifying and/or flipping the real world map, and making all the cultures a copy-paste of whatever is there in real life.
I love this comment.
MAN the unpronounceable cities thing is literally everywhere
Can't come up with a town namw? Oh just add "-ville" at the end of everything that will fix it
@@marshateslosing1654
To be fair, there are maaaaaaaaany places in real life with generic/questionable names (at least in the US), so you could argue that the writer simply wanted their city names to be true to life.
"Slightly modifying and/or flipping the real world map, and making all the cultures a copy-paste of whatever is there in real life.
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**Coughs in Warhammer fantasy**
Artifexian has some really good videos about worldbuilding and conlangs
The best love interests are those who compliment the protagonist and vice versa. They don't need to share professions or even be rivals, you can use their journeys to show other sides and perspectives if the story. Different strengths and weaknesses, virtues and vices. One's journey do not pause to wait for the other's, use the times when they intersect to both push character growth and drive the story forward.
I now want to add an actual clown to everything I write to underwrite dramatic tensions.
I want to see that .... hey fancy seeing you here!
Alright where do you write...
2:39 Wow, I didn’t expect you to perfectly describe the post-chapter scenes in old Paper Mario games where you play as Princess Peach.