X4's Latest DLC Divides The Community
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
- EgoSoft's experimental DLC stirred up a lot of discussion within X4's player base. Giving a definitive verdict is kinda impossible.
Everything new in X4 Timelines:
S: Dart, Elite Sport, Kestrel Sport, Theseus Sport, Cutlass
M: TER Odachi Corvette
L: TER Sapporo Destroyer
XL: -
New sectors:
From Argon Prime: Hatikvah's Faith , Nopileo's Memorial
From Silent Witness I: President's End
From Tharka's Cascade: Matrix #101
From Ianamus Zura IV: Mitsuno's Revealation, Mitsuno's Defiance, Mitsuno's Sacrifice
New faction:
The Quettanauts in the Mitsuno's systems.
7.0 Sectors:
• Cardinal's Domain
• CEO's Doubt
• Freedom's Reach
• Loomanckstrat's Legacy
• Mi Ton's Refuge
• Mists of Artemis
• Moo-Kye's Revenge
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I have to agree about the presentation of the stories. The Last of the missions where you lead the Xenon out of Sol had good narration and context. That was the level I actually expected to see in all missions. I know the games lore but even I was confused what I was doing in some of them. A very sad missed opportunity. Especially because the idea behind the Timelines backstory is nice.
100% agreed. That mission was awesome. They way they announced Timelines I expected most of the missions to be on this level.
Timelines was a frustrating experience with the dramatic differences in difficulty between missions. It's a real shame too because the underlining plot and previous stories were some of the best in any of the DLCs.
Honestly, what I was expecting was a more cohesive retelling of past events in which each graph told a different story. I initially thought each nodus was an aspect of the story leading to the terminus story in which it was nicely wrapped up, but half the nodi had no connection with the terminus story. It's a real shame too because the soundtrack, set pieces, and sky boxes are some of the most diverse and gorgeous we've ever seen in the entire series.
Ooh especially your second paragraph is spot on. I also had hoped for something like that. That's what I would have called "deep dive"... The basic idea was and still is awesome. A shame it doesn't get enough traction to really shine.
I'd rather if they just remade the early games in X4 engine with X4 assets. So same sector layout, same factions, same story, but don't change anything about X4 mechanics and assets, just treat it as a new start with a slightly different universe sandbox layout. Maybe do the same with Terraformer War. What they did instead is more realistic for the price I guess, but still disappointing. I'd pay full price for a remake of Brennan saga in X4 engine.
@@delayed_control I'd totally pay for the Brennan Saga, too
There are enough missions that all tie into one another they could have added a few more and turned each nodus into its own theme. One for racing, one for mining, one for Brennan/R Gunne -Terran histories-.....and another for the Paranid missions. Actually telling a coherent story through these as each mission would unlock more context as you went.
The mining missions feature the same brother/sister duo in each of them for example. But they are disjointed and told separately across each graph. They have all the framework for what could of been a slam dunk of a dlc, but just didn't deliver on it fully.
Half a thumbs-up for the entertaining & informative video, the other half for the Amiga t-shirt. Man, I loved that bit of kit.
Thanks for both halves. :) I had to buy that shirt the moment I saw it.
I like timelines
That's awesome :)
i recently started playing x4 and your guides helped me get into the game so much
@@milbobaggings1236 Happy to help :)
Bought X4 two years ago and wanted to get into it a couple of months ago (2024) and decided to wait for Update 7.0 and Timelines. Played a few hours last few days. After the basic tutorials the program recommended that I do Timelines and I did. Have just completed Graph 1 so far. It was good doing some stuff in safety (Still remember the painful memories of losing a ship early on in Elite Dangerous and having to fight back up to where I started). However I found it quite confusing too. The combat tutorial says "L" shoots missiles but in Timelines every battle seemed to be different. I'm sure different weapons were installed on the ships. But for somebody straight out of the tutorials I could not figure things out. I was just spinning and shooting and hoping I would get lucky like Anakin in the Phantom menace.
@@KamramBehzad that's what I suspected would happen to a new player... Thanks for sharing! Yes, the ships you fly in Graph 1 all have different loadouts.
You can always save and try out stuff in the open universe mode. In ED losing your ship matters. In X4 you can just load your quick save and that's it.
7.0 is great though and waiting to start with its release is a good idea.
It is not for new players to fight with a ship that you didn't choose with weapons that you didn't choose for a battle that I need to pass thru.
It feels like, to me, that the Timelines content would have fit as a demo for the game. Maybe if some of the nodes were free in a demo for the game to show players what the gameplay is like.
@@greyraven666 good idea. Like make the first graph really easy and let people play for free. Problem is though that most people already are overwhelmed by the tutorials. So maybe the advertising effect would turn negative lol
Didn't even start it yet. I just enjoy throwing money at Egosoft 🤓
@@BekoPharm one of us! One of us!
same! I did not have the necessary time to properly start it, my way!
I agree about the confusing aspects of the DLC. Even if i search for "new ships in X4 Timelines", i will have no clue in what form they are unlocked.
Blueprints? Or will they appear in the universe? Or WHAT? Really weird decisions.
Thanks for the informative video.
I will still buy the DLC to support the devs, and i like the look of the new ships.
I find the mixed review understandable, yet crass. I've enjoyed X4 for several years now and find it to be a wonderful game. Did I like the direction of the Timelines content? No, not really.
Yet, the main draw of the game did get the usual feature set. It got new ships for the persistent open universe. And it enabled several new Sectors. While also providing a wealth of new story content and quest content.
Where they faltered, was in gating that new open universe behind timelines specific content. Granted it made sense lore wise, and was a logical leap. Yet, it forced the player base into a vastly different way to play the game for those rewards. Rather than providing an intrinsic motivation to the player base to seek out timeline game loops organically.
If I want the new sectors and ships, I have no choice but to engage in timelines content. Whether I like it or not. That, was the misstep
@@dusk1947 yes, I also like the idea itself. The execution not so much.
There was a really odd mix of great and awful timeline missions.
The "Final" mission of each section were fantastic for me, the ships are beautiful
I really dislike that a story based DLC like this utilised AI voices though, I have no issue with janky voice but at least make it a real person reading out the lines, they weren't even pronouncing the words correctly.
@@firefrai Totally. They would have fared better if they'd gone with several related missions building up to climax in the according terminus. Most of the terminus mission really were enjoyable.
Honestly, I'm more concerned with unresolved issues with 7.0 itself. I'm just sitting here hoping for a patch that fixes the pathing issue plaguing L and XL ships in regards to docking to Auxiliary Vessels for repair, sort of hurts when I greatly value that type of ship and make heavy use of it during my boarding runs.
The pathing still is quite janky, yes
video extends , what i basically wrote in my review ;-)
Based ;)
there he is doing what I just thinking about x4 tooo random lol
Great ob
Great Video!
It shouldn't be mandatory to unlock everything. You have to beat it because it's super hard.
@@stephenbright982 I'm quite sure we'll get an option to just activate the new sectors with a future update ;)
I agree. I am a long-time player and even for me some were very difficult. I'm not sure how people see this as a great place for new players to start.
@WatchMysh I sure hope so.
That the price remain the same but you get more content is just not true. Just look at the bundle pricing if it is still on sale. You can see that the price for the main game would have been discounted significantly more without the dlc. You basically "save" like $4 for buying it rather than getting the base game and the dlc. However considering I did not really want the dlc I instead was forced to pay over 10 dollar more than I wanted to if I remember correctly.
Yea! See. I am not sure if they fixed it now so you do not NEED to buy them together. Or if its just because I was stupid and bought it so now it lets me just buy the base game if I want to gift it. However the price is roughly $16 for the base game. $27 ish for the timelines pack. Now that I have the option to buy the thing I wanted to buy, I just feel all the more manipulated and tricked. What is worse is that, because I was not able to buy the game for the price I wanted, I was lured into buying the "community of planets edition." So rather than buying the base game, split vendetta and cradle of humanity making for a price of $30. A price I would have seen as reasonable for the game. I begrudgingly and reluctantly just got the last dumb dlc with the bundle. Not being lured out of 11 dollar, but rather 21.
I may as well also buy a hat with an arrow pointing at myself with "big stupid" in glowing letters, that is how I feel now. I was sure they would not release the base game before the sale was over. Now I do not even want to play the game as it feel sour. T-T
@@zhoupact8567 base game is discounted 70%. The timelines bundle 50%. Both are 49,99 regularly.
OP is accurate. I noticed at launch that Egosoft disabled the ability to individually buy the X4 base game from both steam and gog. Thereby forcing new players to buy (at minimum) the Discovery Pack with both X4 and Timelines. By discounting timelines less than the discount on the base game, and requiring players to buy both, all new players (and gifting players) were forced to pay more than had they been allowed to purchase just the base game. Days later, after the poor reception of Timelines, they reenabled base game purchases.
Truly baffling behaviour by Egosoft. *Smh.* In my view, the X4 base game is INCREDIBLE value, even at the inflated price, but by (underhandedly) removing player choice to increase unit price by a few dollars, what they achieved was to sour the initial experience of players who might otherwise have enjoyed the game and felt really good about paying that same price. The very players who would have gone on to buy more and more expansions.
I say this from personal experience. I played X3 years ago, have over 1,000 hours in X4, and am certain I'll play at least 1,000 hours more. To this day I continue to buy expansions and upgraded editions I don't even play because Egosoft have delivered such tremendous value to me and the playerbase over the years (eg 7.0 update) that they deserve to be rewarded and I feel good supporting them.
In my eyes they have earned the benefit of the doubt a couple of times over, and I continue to support them (recently bought the CoP collectors edition bundle - and I don't even enjoy music :p). I'm just hoping their recent comms / sales / pricing strategy is a momentary hiccup, not the beginning of a trend. As a long term fan, I feel bad for all the players who, due to missteps like these, might miss out on experiencing some truly exceptional games and expansions.
@@RK-252 That's all correct. And since my video was scripted at release, the situation was as described. I also was surprised as I saw the base game on sale at a 70% discount.
@@WatchMysh Wow, thanks for the reply. I wasn't expecting it, and it's much appreciated. Mainly I was hoping to reassure the OP, and others in their situation, that no - they aren't crazy - and shouldn't blame / doubt themselves / harbor regret out of a belief that they made any sort of mistake (in the words of the OP: "just because I was stupid"). I wanted them to know beyond doubt that they didn't make a mistake, they certainly aren't stupid, and their memory hasn't failed them - that in this bizarre set of circumstances the base game was truly not there because it had been deliberately removed. Egosoft made _all_ the mistakes. The silver lining is, as you said in the video, Timelines is at least "salvageable". I personally hope Egosoft prioritizes that here.
P.S. I only discovered your channel yesterday. This is the first of your videos I have watched, and I thought it was _excellent_. I hope you keep up the great work, and I proactively hate your guts for the sleep I'm sure to miss binge-watching the rest of your content. :)
@@RK-252 hey :) I try to reply to all of the comments I get. Yes, seems like EgoSoft made some confusing decisions here. No one is stupid here - were just on different positions on the "Timeline" (lol). Ok I'll see myself out...
And thanks for the appreciation of my content. :)
Piracy and pirate factions. Here is a good DLC. Or Introduce titan ships to the game through a scenario.
To be honest we had so far only Amazing DLCs, so i wont hold it against the Devs to have this one not so good. I payed anyways to support Egosoft.
@@Eorel exactly :)
@@WatchMysh also btw i got the DlC for just 10 or 11 Euros. If you Upgrade to one of that Special Packs and own all Previous DLC it gets Realy Cheap.
Ps: i hope for More Xenon Ships to Capture in the Future.
@@Eorel Oh that's a nice deal indeed
thx
you're welcome :)
It's good, I don't care what other say
New ship mor3 than you pay for
All this german reviewers ohhhh X4 Timelines is great and EGOshitsoft superb, they never fix they f.... bugs.
@@darthhell4234 who are these german reviewers that say Timelines is great? I have no idea about what's happening on german UA-cam.
Previous DLCs for X4 have been great but this one is perplexing. They've gone all in on the weakest aspect of their game for some bizarre reason.
@@JasonSnow-zq2ve Yes. Could have been the opposite, though. I had the impression they've put all of the effort into creating an Immersive story driven experience at a higher level than the story aspects of past DLCs... Well... my impression was wrong. :D
What do you mean 'it is included in the base game at no cost"? No it isn't, it is DLC you have to pay for. The patch is included, which isn't the DLC missions or items
@@bikeguy3034 Timelines will be included into new purchases of the base game from now on. If you already own X4 you have to buy it as a DLC.
Everytime I have tried to play X4, the same thing has happened.
I try to enjoy myself by doing what I like - maintain a small mercenary fleet, taking on missions, combat, trading.Then I lament how badly designed and lacking in personality the characters in the game are, and how barren and soulless the gameworld feels despite being so full of ships, people, stations etc..Then after a very short time, Xenon becomes too powerful and destroys every faction.
I don't see anything in the this update or the DLC to change any of that.
That's part of the problem I have with Timelines: in my perception it was supposed to breath some life into the places you visit in the open universe by giving them a background story. The convoluted way the stories are told though keep them from providing just that.
Never happened in any of my games so far.
@@eMKeaL Xenon aggression is randomized for each playthrough. You can check your save file;
this is not DLC but mashed up "something&everything" looks more like a patch than dlc
timelines is really cool
all the mission content is hilariously bad but honestly, I don't care at this point. it doesn't make the game worse which is enough to me.
Why can't they just understand. What people want is better A.I., interface, qol features, and performance.
I won't buy another expansion until it's greatly improved.
They should have done a better job representing the lore from the previous titles. A majority of the players dont know whats going on or why they're doing it.
Yep. That's what I thought the DLC was all about.