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Is This the Most Accurate Modern Combat Rifle?
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- Опубліковано 8 січ 2024
- In this episode of TFBTV, @JamesReeves tests the accuracy of the Springfield Hellion, also known as the Croatian HS Produkt VHS-2. James noticed in his earlier review that the VHS-2 was incredibly accurate, so James and Ryan put the Hellion to the test today to see if they can squeeze sub-MOA groups from a combat rifle.
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James seems like the kind of guy you'd want to go out for drinks at the Rainforest Cafe with.
sounds ghey
This is an unusually specific and hilarious comment, absolutely spot on!!! 😆
Is the rainforest cafe still a thing?
2 Mongoose Mai Thais coming right up
Or getting plastered playing ski ball at Chucky Cheese
Luv me VHS.
Luv me VHS-2.
'Ate "hellion."
Simple as.
Omg, Zach Hi ~owo~
I shot VHS with 16" barrel and I hit 2 times in a row 5cm (2") target at 500m. I was shooting S&B bulk 69gr FMJ with 25x optic. So it was 0.1 MILS. The gun is like magic.
Wauw as in WOW. That is spectaculair. Hat off and a deep bow
I recently got the 20 inch barrel model and I absolutely love it. It’s supposedly a model of the vhs-d2 which is Croatia’s designated marksman rifle. I’m looking forward to seeing what aftermarket comes out in the future
Good choice on the 20 inch one, wish I bought it instead of the 16". Btw, VHS-D2 (20") is not our designated marksman rifle - it is an assault rifle used by our military forces. VHS-K2 (16") is primarily used by our police - special & intervention police units.
I just ordered a 20" after watching this video. Been wanting one for a while. Pretty accurate huh?
@@ivanhorvat1995 ah I see thanks for the info. Honestly I got the 20 inch because of the bayonet lug and I like the look more than the 16. Also someone on reddit figured out the ring on the barrel is for mounting rifle grenades. Overall it’s a super cool rifle
The VHS-2D is my dream rifle. Just wish we could get the original grip and carry handle. Right now though it is my primary SHTF rifle. Compact, accurate, durable, reliable. Can I add aesthetically pleasing also?
@@ivanhorvat1995The VHS-2 is my favorite rifle of all time. Thank you Croatians for morphing a Famas and G36 together.
Take the most range-accurate combat rifle, the FAMAS, upgrade it, modernize it, and you get one of the best combat rifle out there, the VHS2.
well they tried but politicks stept in and HK got contract and HS did made mag adapter for famas but dam politicks
I'd really like to see a similar test with the 16", 18" and 20" barrels with the cheapest ammo, worst performing ammo, and top performing ammo
Happy Hellion owner here. I'm convinced that it was intended to be a very serious combat rifle, built by people who know what that means. I do hope somebody makes an aftermarket trigger for it, despite being a two stage trigger with a reasonable amount of travel after the wall, it still feels way too much like running a DAO revolver trigger. Still, in competition conditions I've gotten my hits quickly out to 300 yards with an unmagnified red dot using M193 ammo, and that's about as good as I can shoot no matter what the hardware is.
Neat, I’m eyeing one.
This gun with an upgraded trigger will shame all other guns, this is the only flaw, one of the worst trigger even by bullpup standards.
@@hellolin324 it’s not good; it’s not heavy but has a lot of slop in the uptake and a mushy break. I have the Tavor SAR-16 which everyone thinks has a terrible trigger; I don’t feel it.
@@mattwalters6834 Yeah it's more like a full 3 stage trigger, first time I shot a rifle low and left like I shot my Glock first time, requires some practice.
Even stock trigger is not bad if you got fast finger).
Obviously the best video ever. Bull pup platforms fascinate me. It just seems like a kind of visual art I actually like just because it’s actual ideas. It’s like aesthetics and science at the same time. Anyway go TFBTV!
TFBTV continues to be my favorite channel on YT. Thanks for all the hard work putting these videos together. The quality definitely shows. 🤙🏼
I love my Hellion, and it's the most left handed friendly bullpup between the AUG and X95 and the best suppressor host.
My Hellion now has about 9K down the pipe with the majority of it suppressed and didn't clean it for 6 months. Finally gave it a bath and took it back out for a re-check on my zero and not only has it held zero with that wonky top-rail disassembly (that mechanically attaches to the barrel which is normally a bad thing), it's still sub-MOA with PMC X-TAC XM193 and IMI Razorcore 77gr OTM (Mk. 262 clone). Now, the gun does suffer from the thermal drift the Famas and G36 it borrows most of its design from do, but I'm only seeing groupings openning up by 1-2 MOA instead of 3-4 for a TBT TG36 (G36 clone) and 5 MOA for Faxon pencil barrels for AR15s.
As for trigger, the Hellion's trigger is better than other bullpups for one major reason: it is mechanically an AR15 FCU. It doesn't *look* like an AR15 milspec FCU and it won't fit one either, but they work in the same mechanical fashion and so the same job you do to tune a milspec AR15 trigger you can do to tune the Hellion trigger (MAJOR DISCLAIMER: AR15 milspec trigger tuning is great for the point of IF you screw it up there's more to replace it. If you screw up a Hellion's trigger it's a little more hoop to jump through to get another. Please have a certified gunsmith do this trigger job or do it at your own risk!). As such, and due to the sturdier trigger bar design of the Hellion, I have gotten mine to be almost equal in feel to the Ratwrx 20/20 AUG sear but with none of the drop safety issues.
My only major complaint of the Hellion is shared with Hop and that's the severe lacking of real estate with which to mount accessories such that they won't hinder ergonomics. Even a tape switch feels too bulky and in the way on that handguard, much less a light or anything else.
Are you really talking about faxon pencil barrels moving by 5 MOA? Or are you referencing the M16A1 in vietnam? Ive never heard of faxon barrels drifting like that.
Got a light on mine, but I went through maybe 3 different mounts before I settled on it. Just slapped it as far forward on my support hand side as I could and went with the clicky button.
Tape switch just wasn’t happening, kept NDing it.
Got a two point sling as well, and honestly that’s all I feel I need beyond an optic.
@@wtice4632thin pencil barrels, no matter who makes them, will whip and drift when hot just due to their profile nature. That's why you see socom profiles are often thicker profile so they retain accuracy under full auto use.
I'm curious about the FAMAS influence. Beyond the bullpup configuration, I don't see any, but I'm willing to change my mind if I'm wrong.
Considering it was a combat rifle for the masses, all it really needs is an optic and maaaaaybe a flashlight.
My only concern with the rifle is the brass deflector. I’m worried of the polymer being chewed through.
Springfield needs to send you guys a 20-inch Hellion so you can test to see if it's more or less accurate than the 16-inch model.
I mean other than the trigger though, I feel like they've really knocked it out of the park. Looks great, shoots great, it's reliable...That's basically the big 3 for success right there.
I already felt pretty good about treating myself to a VHS-2 for Christmas, now I feel even better about it
I think we'll see aftermarket triggers for the Hellion this year. That being said I don't think it's that bad.
Since the safety is so bad, I just leave it off and treat the trigger like a bad Glock trigger. 😂
It's not horrible, it wears in and gets better. The safety has two ways to be fixed, one is changing the grip to one more like the vhs2 grip, or run it same side like you would if you were shooting with your thumb on the same side as your fingers
Manticore Arms is on the forefront of VHS-2 aftermarket parts. They have a replacement safety and a new stock change. I don't have either yet, but they're the only ones I know about working on upgrades.@@JohnZ556
@robertparis5680 sounds like something Springfield should pick up on in their warehouse/factory... find out where the trigger "breaks in" and then do a simple polish job on those components to make the trigger the best it can be straight from the factory. I can imagine that'd help with sales a lot.
@@robertparis5680 Nah, I tried MOE grip which is 25degree, it only made the safety more difficult to use.
The trigger did not improve over hundreds of rounds, I just learned to pull through as soon as I hit the first wall.
This rifle has a '3 stage' trigger: a very long pre trave to until 1st wall, spongy all to the way to 2nd wall, then a bit more creepy before the actual break. Finally reset to the 1st wall.
Hey, I just bought a Hellion. What a coincidence! Nothing like a little purchase confirmation bias in the morning to start the day off right.
This is my thought. I think a 16 inch bullpup is the do-it-all rifle. What do I mean by that, I mean it can do everything. A general purpose rifle or GPR as I'm calling it.
Think about it. 16 inch barrel but in a compact package just as short as a MK18. So its maneuverable enough to be effective in those close range distances but has the 16 inch barrel to deliver enough terminal effectiveness out to range.
If you told me every conflict I could see over a prolonged period of time was either going to be close range indoor engagements ONLY or longer range range engagements ONLY, I would totally absolutly take the MK18 or a 16 inch AR for those respective roles but neither are particularly well suited for the opposite rolls and nobody can guerentee me shit when it comes to engagements.
But if you have a 16 inch bullpup, it is suited for both roles. You can only carry one rifle with you at a time, you dont have an arsenal in your back pocket were you can swap guns and gear on the fly so that's where I see bullpups shining. As GPR rifles that can flex into every role effectively without having to swap to different specialized weapons.
I really hope they end up offering barrel kits, I got the 20 inch and love it. But I’d like to use the 16 inch too.
And Hellion sales surged like no other after this video! I'm also happy to say I have one too.
What is the barrel twist on it? If it's 1:8 or faster than it will have more dispersion with lighter ammo, that's probably the reason 55gn are less accurate
i use 1:8 twist rate because its the only one pws makes haha
12 min mark he says 1:7
According to the video, 1:7. About 12:03 minute mark if you need it.
The BC on the 55 grains is less than the BC on the 68 grain rounds.
Why? I heard overstabilization was a myth, and that short/light for twist rate bullets would just lose some velocity.
S&B is really the sleeper of bang for the buck accuracy.
I really like my Hellion. The manual of arms is a bit weird coming from training with ARs for decades, but that is just a training issue. The trigger does need some attention though. I'm really hoping the aftermarket steps in.
You can have a gunsmith tune it like you would a regular milspec trigger.
i love my croatian built vhs-2 and it is my choice for any dynamic setting
Infinitely satisfying to see that the gun I was first interested in primarily because of its looks is actually a fantastic platform.
You guys should try the plain simple 55gr FMJ S&B 100 round packs. I cant explain why, but i squeeze a smooth 1 MOA and below out of them with my piston AR15 at 100 meters.
I guess that means a lot of ammo companies need to learn what S&B is doing right.
Their "training" line is great - we use it all the time and performs great!
@@PolenarTacticalpratim vas kanal, ali jos nisam vidio vasu recenziju vhs? Mozda sam samo propustio. Pozdrav
I'd love to see you compare the top 3 or 5 bull pups and see what washes out in the end...... Another great video guys....
This shows again why having extending buttstock on a bullpup is a great idea. Not only for temporary use in CQB but also on the ground most bullpup's would probably be to short for comfortable use.
James love these videos as well as your shotgun burn downs. You be bussin, my dude.
PREDICTION: Yes, you shot sub-MOA groups.
RESPONSE TO ACTUAL: (EDIT) Hell yeah, brother. Nicely done.
I love my Hellion. It's fun to see reviews like this.
Great video! As an early Hellion owner, its great seeing more love for this platform and having more folks interested due to its capabilities.
I've had my Hellion since they were released in the US. Not disappointed at all. Shoots anything I feed it. Only thing I wish is that there was an improved trigger. The linkage seems fairly solid.
Great rifle- I enjoy it more and more as it gets increased range time. But of course they put out an ODG version AFTER I bought a black one!
Now you have an excuse for 2
Alabama arsenal got hits at 1k yards.
Whoa
Weirdly enough, if I recall correct Alabama Arsenals trigger clocked in at somewhere in the 6 lbs trigger pull on his test-- makes me wonder if there's a bit of variance between rifles, or if there was a testing error.
@@Xephistotesting VHS triggers, they don’t feel bad to me; I didn’t measure pull weight, but they didn’t seem bad.
My Hellion shoots great and had it almost a year now. I also haven’t run into any jams through tons of ammo and running it suppressed.
I have a Tavor and I've been crushing on the Aug and MDR for a while. Now it looks like I've got to add this to the list
Excellent review, which definitely makes me want one. It also makes me love the AR even more. Even with mil spec trigger, its a dream to shoot!
I own a Hellion and it shoots better groups than my AR (Colt LE6940).
Never been into bullpups, but must say, if I get into them it will be this rifle for sure.
I have one, and it’s fantastic. The length of pull is a little uncomfortable as expected, but every other known quirk doesn’t bother me and all the perks are undeniable
@@SP3HSSMAHREEN Is the length of pull so long?
@@thekraken1173that’s what she said…😂
Take a close look at the IWI Tavor and the Steyr AUG also.
I have shot the IWI Tavor and the Steyr AUG. They are all great, but the Hellion is my preferred Bullpup.
I'm getting more and more interested in bullpups as well for one specific reason. I like the idea of a non NFA rifle that is as short as an NFA version. I also like the idea that you still maintain your velocity. I think I could fix or mostly fix the trigger on one of these things. Maybe make a new and improved trigger bar out of steel or a piece of billet 7075 T6 aluminum.
I hope that one day HS Produkt can free itself from the shackles of Springfield.
But I imagine Springfield wine and dines them since they produce most of the good firearms in their catalog.
Seems like the arrangement is working pretty well for both companies to me. HS probably doesn't want the headache of setting up their own US company
As far as factory bullpup triggers go I’d say it’s the best on the market over tried out.
Gotta jump in. Croatian here. This is a short insight about VHS D2 the longer barrel type. We used a lot of rifles before VHS, such as g36, good old AK and so on. The moment I fired it on the automatic mode i was like, what the hell, was that a 30 round mag, that shit didnt hit the target at all I thought to myself. When i went to the target i had a lot to see. This bitch is accurate even in auto mode. As for the single shot. I just couldnt miss. We were able to hit with precission targets up to 600 meters. 300 meters is no problem for VHS, as an avarage shooter you can put the rounds in 2-2,5 inch group on 300 meters with no problem thats 328 yards FYI. Mostly we use mechanical sights, and it makes little difference from optics, it is just about time of aiming that can be longer with mechanical diopter sights. We have models of the handle with builtin optic/red dot on it, not my cup of tea but some guys like it. I didnt see much difference with shorter barrel but I didnt shoot it on longer distance.
We need to see the 20 inch barrel version in action! But I love this! I’m 90% convinced I need one of these now😂
Would love to see you do a comparison video with the VHS2 bull pups and the different barrel lengths??? No one has ever done this and it would be great to see the difference both on how they would look and how they do on the range!!?? 🤔🤔👌
Excellent video James. My introduction to Bullpups was the Styr AuG playing The World is not enough for the Nintendo 64 as a 12 year old.
I would love to see a "bullpup kit" that lets you swap the barrel and bolt face with standard AR parts. I mean cmon, a 6mm ARC with a Proof carbon barrel in a bullpup, YES PLEASE!
Enjoyed the video very much. Now you need to do exact same accuracy test with the X95 and AUG.
Croatian quality and manufacturing is on par with German and Austrian even better.
Those who live there and know our work ethic understand.
Problem je sto smo mala drzava, pa ljudi ni ne znaju sto sve hrvatska proizvodi ili je proizvodila ili opcenito sto su sve hrvati izmislili. Zamisli nekom amerikancu kada bi rekao da nisu oni otkrili indetifikaciju pomocu otiska prsta ili odijelo za jedrenje zrakom i puno toga, da ne nabrajam
I just ordered the 20 inch version, I wonder what that one can do. I'll even do some of my own handload for it, Ive gotten my ak-74 sub moa when I handloaded some of my own 5.45 but it's a real challenge to get the right components.
Buddy of mine picked one up. Its nice. The only thing is the most common issue for bulpups, the trigger.
Im sure aftermarket will come for those sooner or later.
Oh also for my Maryland folks, its one of the few legal bullpups here. No AUG at all and No Tavor unless you get the 18.5" barrel version.
i've always wanted this rifle. This video is pushing me to the edge. Wish me luck brothers as i convince my gf that this rifle is extra special.
I asked my GF for forgiveness instead of permission lol!
Heartening to hear that the vhs-2(2 versions, d(long barrel) and k(short barrel))/hellion is recognized to be a sound and accurate design by ppl outside country of origin. There's also the integrated optic (a la original aug and g36) for it, could be interesting to test that for accuracy if able to get hands on it.
The SRU and A3 tactical companies have AR15 bullpup conversions coming out that are VERY intriguing and impressive looking… You guys NEED to review them.
im liking the idea of a bullpup 308 rifle with like 20 in barrel because still small as ar but wayyy better long distance option and accuracy piston driven adjustable gas etc etc and they run ar 10 mags or ar15 in a 556 model so its like a winwinwin for me personally.
tavor 7 is great
Stay away from the keltec rfb!!! It's a 1800$ paperweight hanging on my wall. The tavor 7 though all day
I agree as long as they make the barrel with a 1:10 twist rate unlike the Tavor 7 (1:12)
Awesome you guys put out this video and pushing the Hellion even further. Question though, what's the electro style song used in this video? Sh*ts bangin! 7:57
At the end of the video when James was proned out behind the Hellion I didn’t even recognize him with that salty hair. I thought to myself, who’s that old lady with short hair shooting the gun? Oh wait, that’s James.
Love my Springfield H! Just got the Echelon
I think with all those groups fired, at least one will be sub moa. I highly recommend giving IMI razor core 77 gr ammo a try.
I believe more than one tuber has tested imi 77gr in the hellion to less than stellar results. It's usually a pretty high performer, but there are plenty of examples where certain rifles just don't like it for whatever reason. Even rifles that do well with other 77gr loadings.
I'm waiting for Summer and the short shorts.., tight holes will work for now though
One of the best channels on YT.
As a bullpup fan, i appreciate the testing and information. VHS is next on my list....
Also, I hate to be that guy, but , could we get more of this... Say perhaps on the x95? 👀
glad to see this gun get some more love
I lived in Pensacola for a while. Moved to Spanish Fort AL. Absolutely love it here. Gun range is ten minutes away. Doctor five minutes. And 38 minutes away is a range that has a thousand yard range and more.
Thanks for the informative vid. Been tempted to grab one of these to test.
I would love to see your opinion on the VHS-2 vs the latest version of the MDRX. Trying to decide which one to pick up this year 😅
Pausing at 5:41 to give my prediction--YES, the VHS-2 shot sub-MOA
Of course, I have seen other videos displaying the rifle's remarkable accuracy. 😉
I definitely prefer how light and aesthetic the AUG is among bullpups, but the VHS2 looks like what the FAMAS was supposed to be
Thanks for the video! I bought an AUG in 1984, but eventually sold it because of the fixed inferior optic (and I needed to money!). I'm all in for bullpups, so I bought a Tavor 7 (.308) and still might buy one of the big three in 5.56 (Tavor, AUG, or VHS). I'm more interested in handling, weight, and reliability, but I am very impressed by the VHS accuracy results, which may decide me. Not sure yet.
The ball powder vs. extruded powder wasn't just a matter of cost but availability. Dupont, the contracted supplier, simply could not supply enough of the proper powder that met specifications. It was either ball powder or no powder.
Love mine to. Honestly even more then my AUG thing is great
Maybe trigger has to do with that original VHS-2 made for Croatian army is full-auto gun, so I guess trigger acts differently when gun is full-auto?
I really want a hybrid of the Hellion and the MDRX. The perfect combo of controls and reliability.
I would love to see a comparison of these 2, I've heard the latest updated version of the MDRX is pretty good
Man I love mine and seeing these vids just tickles me a certain way.
I know this would be kinda ridiculous for a battle ready rifle, but imagine a trigger that is connected electronically or fiber optically to the hammer mechanism. The goal being near-instant reaction. Idk something about the coat hanger analogy at the end got me thinking
I just got a New FDE version a couple weeks ago. They changed the Safety on the new colored ones. I wonder about trigger too as I have felt the older ones in the stores and they were not near as nice as the one in my FDE. Feels like a hand gun trigger. same Gauge you used and I am getting 5 to 5 and a half lb pulls! break is actually pretty clean too. ya take up and reset are still long but the pull weight and break on mine are actually pretty nice. I felt crappier Milspec AR triggers than this.
I feel like I’m crazy for still thinking that Bullpups are still the future of firearms.
They are, if the trigger changes from mechanic to an electronic one they will be superior to most traditional rifles.
@@DerDrecksack87 Nobody is going to want electronic triggers. Doesn't matter if they feel better, that creates so many potential reliability issues I can't even list them all.
When more companies buy in and start to refine the design, I think it will as well.
@@DerDrecksack87They're not. A bullpup design is a niche idea that works in certain applications, but not most. Ergonomics , especially for anything that'll be fielded by a military in large numbers -- such as an adopted service weapon. Even the best bullpups are ergonomic nightmares, with suboptimal control schemes. But a person (or organization) doesn't bullpups because of their controls - they use them because they need a platform that is both relatively short and able to still have high velocity from a longer barrel. Right away, this relegates bullpups to a specific set of missions they'd be ideal for: Personal security, vehicle operations, and dense urban/cqb settings, where it's possible to have engagements in very long, but (relatively) very narrow, corridors such as hallways inside of office buildings, highrise stairwells, etc.
Don't think of a bullpup as an "this or that" application -- it's not a competition. Think of a bullpup as a platform that can compliment a broader selection of weapons that an individual or organization can leverage based on their particular needs in that moment; Just like how a SAW cannot replace an SMG or DMR for the applications that any of those things excel at, a bullpup is a specialized form factor that shouldn't be used to replace other weapons of other form factors. Think of it like a tool in a toolbox - just because you use your wrench as a hammer doesn't mean you should, and both are specialized for different things. The question isn't "which tool is better," the question is "which tool is better "
PSA JAKL 14.5" Upper + Mil-Spec Lower + Reap Industries Scy + 2.5lb Drop-In Trigger + Homemade Stock pad = bullpup with a light trigger -----costs around $1600
James disses Cracker Barrel because they look down on his wearing booty shorts when he goes in for a meal...
Unlike James's #1 restaurant - Waffle House. Seeing booty shorts in a Waffle House is a hourly occurrence.
yes, sub moa. I predict with the Federal 70gr match ammo. (Afternote), Just missed it by a hair. my mistake, it was actually 73gr, Fed match I was betting on.
Thanks James for the thorough range evaluation. That is a remarkable rifle.
I love it in OD green if this bull pop had a better trigger i would buy one at 100% Happy new year TFB TV from a swiss dude 🍻
Trigger snobbery is a poor excuse from bad shooters for why they suck
@@wtice4632
True Sir, i am bad shooter. Happy New year Sir.
Why are Americans such trigger snobs? The trigger is perfectly fine and serviceable. It’s a combat rifle, triggers that go off just by looking at them aren’t really wise for combat.
Great now I want one. Thanks a lot
Hi James, please send your VHS-2 to your son @Hop for his full review. He says he loves it and can't wait.
Great Video James I would love to see the boys @9holereviews stretch this out to 600
You are right about "Hellion" being cringe. If anything, that being stamped onto the side of the gun is keeping me from buying one.
i, of course, wonder how the VHS would shoot with the longer barrel options...
….faster?
Agreed. Would like to see this out further than 100 yards.
Great review, James. Looking to pick up this gun at some point as it would make a good companion piece with my KSG.
I tried a few bullpup rifles a few months ago at a friend's place in Tennessee and the Hellion was the only one with a comfortable LOP for me. I know, you can add spacers on other bullpups but I'd worry about them coming off when they are most needed.
I wish they did an average of all 4 groupings.
The aftermarket will make a trigger in time as more VHS-2 are in owner hands and start asking. If the money is there the nice trigger companies will make this gun amazing. 8-9 lbs is a workout.
Please James, run this test again with the 18" and 20" guns when they come out. PLEASE JAMES.
With that optic it looks like the sniper rifle from Starship Troopers and I’m here for it.
Damn now im SUPER curious.. whats the pull weight on a can of miller lite...
I've used my Hellion in several DMR matches and a Quantified Performance match and have been very happy with it. Videos on channel.
Garand thumb and sage Dynamics all say this is the best bull pup
I dropped my tavor for the helion for the adjustable gas block. No regrets.
Great idea for video. Hope this is a series. Try every bullpup you can find
PPU has been my favorite ammo company for well over a decade. They make excellent quality ammo for a great price (even for match grade ammo) and they also have an excellent selection of many more rare ammo types.
Thank you for keeping your merch affordable.
2.5MOA with dogshit milspec ammo AFTER being to hell and back (heh) courtesy of your torture test is absolutely insane.
It's not that m193 ammo tends to be cheap or "worse", but that the VHS has a 1:7 twist rate which is generally going to perform better with the heavier projectiles
Can you try this with the Tavor 7 next? I would suggest putting a manticore arms rail riser up top to bring it to AR height rails.
On a NZ Army shooting coaches course, I shot a 1 inch group at 300m with the Steyr AUG. Never any other service rifle come close. Admittedly, we were using SS109 rounds, which apparently our AUG’s were given the barrel twist rates for…
That's on par for a rifle in the $2000 range. I'd be curious if the 20" variant has any barrel whip issues
I would like to see this same test done with the AUG.