It's not big. Big requires an acceptance that the universe is finite, and that some portion of it is "big" in relation to the "whole." If it's infinite, none of this is truly big nor small.
That long pause and moment of deep silence between them at 13:07 is truly unnerving -- like they've reached the edge of everything and aren't sure what to make of it.
@@PetraKann I'm interested in both, the size of the universe and the "nature of reality" of the Cosmos. I'm struggling to understand is reality of the universe, including earth, pointing to a Creator. But that's a different subject.
The universe in it’s entirety must surely be of infinite size and must always have been. Even at the moment of the Big Bang when the universe was of infinite density it was also of infinite size. However when the observable universe which is of finite size, was of infinite density ( at the moment of the Big Bang ) it must have been of zero size.
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.” ― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
I really enjoy this entire series because the more questions are asked the further from the truth it seems to be going, which I think is great because it just shows how little we know.
That's what public school intends. High majority of these modern academicians are not what they seem - their position is that of the consensus, dialectic that of a neophyte, progress measured in technological advancements only, today they're not doing genuine science, rather something abhor. You don't need to out smart them, let them have their episteme; you need only out think them, and when you can you see they're only salesmen. They don't know anything, physicists don't know anything. Ask them some questions and see for yourself. They think babies comes from hospitals, food from store, electricity from the power plants.
@@therick363 Its difficult to challenge yourself when you realize you are no scholar and seemingly the more you learn, the less you know. But we keep trying, inch by inch. Hmm.. I won't get far with that approach !
When I first read "Our Mathematical Universe" I threw the book across the room. Then I picked it up, and read it again and again. It's one thing to say our universe is "described" by mathematics, but to state that it "IS a mathematical structure" .. that was a shock. How Tegmark made the leap was just as shocking. I am assuming that he using the premise that ""All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one. Anyway I really am proud that there are physicists like Tegmark, Everett, and yes even Witten who are willing to risk their reputations on what might be dead end theories. But as a plea to all scientists, please leave out the word "infinite" . It is a sign that you have given up.
Personally I see mathematics as a language. It's a medium for expressing ideas and relationships very precisely. So to me a 'physical law' expressed mathematically is just a very precise description of physical relationships and behaviour. So I'm not at all surprised that mathematics is so good at describing physics. Since mathematics is a very precise, rigorous and consistent language all that means is that the behaviour of physical systems is very consistent. Well, I hope the universe behaves consistently. If it doesn't we're in big trouble. That doesn't mean mathematics defines that behaviour though. The behaviour comes first. The problem is of course we don't know why we see this particular behaviour, or why the particles and constants in physics are the way they are. Maybe maths is fundamental, but I don't think that logically follows from mathematics being good at describing the universe.
Tegmark is suggesting that it is not just that maths is good at describing the universe, it defines the universe. [In other universes the defining maths (laws,rules) might be different.] What does it mean to say this? Does it mean that maths creates the universe, like a fractal? I have no idea.
Maths describes ... functions. Maths itself ... is a Function. Universal Functions ... is the hypothesis for Sir Issac Newton's Watchmaker Analogy over 300 years ago and any MACHINE Analogy used to explain "Intelligent design." Newtonian Physics ... is simply everything (space, time, laws, matter, energy) is a Function .... that can only be made & assembled by ... an Intelligence. This is why Religions are natural phenomena, because Man is an Intelligence with a Mind & Intellect .. to always deduced from OBSERVATION ... that anything that has purpose, form, function & design ... can only be made by an entity like Man (Intelligence). Science is a method of FUNCTION ... created by Man (a Function) ... to explain natural phenomena (functions) ... using fixed Laws of Nature(functions). The Scientific Method is: 1. Observe 2. Hypothesis 3. Test & Predict 4. Conclude 5. Refine. It is easily to test & make predictions ... with the hypothesis ... that everything from the quantum level to the cosmic ... is a Function. But nobody what's to test .... Universal Functions ....because they have & Mind & freewill .. to think, believe, say & do whatever they want ... and .... they all know that anything that is a Function can only be made by an intelligence. All Systems ... are Functions. And the Universe ... is the only known Isolated Thermodynamic System ( NATURAL function). Check the origin of any thermodynamic System? Newton was correct. Everything is a NATURAL Function ... that must be made by an UNNATURAL intelligence.
In my humble opinion, you are quite right Simon.. The genesis of math is rooted solely in logical descriptors of our environment. Simple equations, however, have evolved beyond our ability to accurately clarify their meaning using any human language..The "Unreasonable effectiveness of math" is STILL a philosophical mystery.. Peace.
@@glaubs65 "Are numbers language? Is Sudoku a crossword puzzle?" Numbers are labels we use for various kinds of mathematical objects. Natural numbers, real numbers, quantities, elements of a series, etc. We actually use them in many different ways. I understand Tegmark's point, I think that when he talks about the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics, I just disagree that this is evidence for his thesis. He might be correct, but I just don't buy that line of argument. That mathematics accurately describes the universe just means the universe is a consistent system, that's all.
The moral of the story is that we're the only friends we have that can get to us in time to save us, so we should try being a little nicer to each other.
I’ve been searching for a globe like Max is using for years and can’t find one anywhere. I find it hard to imagine anyone that loves cosmology not wanting one.
What were you searching with, a blind man's stick? An archeologist's brush? 😊 I just used Google and found one in under 10 seconds. I find it hard to imagine that if you really wanted one you wouldn't have looked for one online.
@@nagualdesign it’s been a couple of years since I last searched. I gave up in the end. It’s nice to know someone is finally doing it. It definitely wasn’t available back then and a manufacturer I approached wondered why anyone would even want one (🤦🏼♀️🙄)! So thanks for the info, I’ll have a hunt. Time to dust off that archeologist brush of mine! 😁
When max proposed the black hole firewall and no infinity I became astonished. Began thinking of the edge of universe, a wall like structure at the end of our universe. But felt I dissolved to earlier. What will universe bring when we get there is just fascinating to me
"Reflection is key to unlock celestial mysteries beyond the dark veil." -- Artemis 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ "Before I start, I must see my end. Destination known, my mind’s journey now begins. Upon my chariot, heart and soul’s fate revealed. In time, all points converge, hope’s strength re-steeled. But to earn final peace at the universe’s endless refrain, We must see all in nothingness... before we start again." 🐲✨🐲✨🐲✨ --Diamond Dragons (series)
🧐 This particular piece with Max Tegmark reminds me of my early non technical interest Astronomy, while in the military spending countless nights on security in the desert, observing the stars , incessantly thinking is there an end to the universe, great peace enjoyed discussion Robert/Max 🤔👀👍
A excellent interview! Max is one of my all time favorite Theoretical(?) Physicists! I ress as d , back in the early nineties, that there were understood, mathematical structures, that our multiverse used to ‘spec out’ the values of physics, called ‘Goeshe #s’; I’ve never seen that theory since. Would anyone else ever heard, or even know about theee ‘Goeshe #s’? 🖖✨
…and “before you know it”, the strange, quantum-reality branches recombine - and the whole world slips into madness… Well, when the base pointers are mixed up, one gets very strange “description space” (I just invented that term to counter Hilbert spaces and multidimensional manifolds and a bunch more). Don’t get me wrong: This is old material, and I like Max Tegmark (who’s, apparently, in the same QM camp Sean Carroll is - namely “Many Worlds”), but… 🙄 I guess big boys also have idols…
I think, in a very simple language, space refers to vacuum. So when the expression, "space is expanding" is used, I wonder, "Expanding to where?" When something expands, it displaces something or occupies a space that was previously unoccupied. So what is the expanding space displacing or what was the state of the unoccupied condition (or let me say "space" to which space is expanding? I think it is accurate to say the universe (the totality of matter and energy) is expanding rather than saying space is expanding. Space is an infinity therefore it is not possible for it to expand.
I can see the absurdity of a finite universe (what's outside it?) But I'm not sure I get what the absurdities of an infinite universe.are? Is it just the normal problems physicists have with infinity, which I don't really grasp either. It's mathematical right? Infinities are bad for equations? Am I right? I'm not a physicist and I have no idea why they are bad for equations.
The Universe is an isolated thermodynamic System ... with space, time, Natural Laws, matter, & energy ... and ... increasing energy. A thermodynamic System can not be INFINITE .... as this will allow IMPOSSIBLE thermodynamic processes ... producing CONSTANT entropy. All thermodynamic Systems ... are functions made by an intelligence due to the information they possess ... and ..originate from the SURROUNDING System ... which must provide the space, time Laws of NATURE, matter, energy & intelligence ... to exist & to function. The Surrounding System ... of the Universe that has fixed Laws of NATURE & time ... must be UNNATURAL, infinite, timeless with unnatural laws & an unnatural intelligence ... otherwise it is a thermodynamic System that originates from the SURROUNDING Systems. Time & the Laws of Nature ... are part of the Universe ... which is FINITE. Infinity & timelessness ... are only part of the SURROUNDING ... Unnatural System. Why is there no origin theory of the Universe ... of a NATURAL System expanding in an ... UNNATURAL System? Why are they all ignoring the Universe being a Thermodynamic System with increasing entropy ... and any Machine Analogies used by Theists to explain "Intelligent Design?" Simple. God created Man in His likeness ... with freewill ... to think, believe, say & do whatever He/She wants ... and to live forever as HIs Children ... but the moment Man sins he will die ( body & soul). Time & the Laws of Nature ... began less than 6 x 1000 years ago. God had a reason for the 6 day Creation & the 7th Day belongs to Him .. 1 day is like a year or 1000 years depending on the Prophesies in the Bible ... and .. Jesus (God's Son) will return to rule for 1 x 1000 years before Judgement Day with 144 000 Jews who were murdered in END TIMES believing in the Christ. The current Jewish year .... since the Fall of Man ... is 5783. ... with most religious Jews believing they are living in END TIMES and that their promised Messiah will appear ( or return) to save them and bring everlasting peace to the world. Science completely supports God creating Man ... less than 6 000 years ago ... in an UNNATURAL System, with unnatural laws that is infinite & timeless. And the Christians & Jews ... have identified the ... Unnatural Intelligence(God) who made a Natural INtelliigence(Man) ... and His 7 x 1000 year long "Salvation" Plan.
@@glaubs65 Something infinite does not grow or expand, it is already endless. Had the universe been infinite, it would not be expanding. For the fact that the universe is evidently expanding, it is clear that it has not reached infinity and will never reach infinity no matter how long it takes. At best, it will keep expanding for all future eternity. Infinite space (empty, dark, cold endless space) is ever there awaiting the universe's expansion. What lies beyond the universe is described in these words: "stars with no set course, for which the blackest darkness stands reserved forever." - Jude 13 in the Bible. Our mathematics for infinity is always going in the opposite direction. Instead of getting infinitely larger, it gets infinitely smaller. That being the case, we have to make a logical assumption: infinity is equal to one. With this assumption, all other things will be infinitely less than one but more than zero. That goes in line with our current mathematics where we easily get descending infinity.
Infinities are bad for equations (and predictions and understanding) because they make equationd unsolvable, even meaningless. They break down rationality - at least, human rationality. « And then there is only silence »!
Bring your Dad to work day for Max's 4 year old; "Hi, I'm a Firefighter and I put out fires." "Hi, I'm a Police Officer and I arrest bad people." "Hi, I'm a Theoretical Physicist and we live in a multiverse." Kids, "Is it snack time yet?"
So what happens when the earth is traveling through a ripple or wave in space? Can we get compressed and stretched since we exist in space? Would we be able to tell? Or would it not be noticed because everything would be undergoing the same effects and even our observations of far away things are extrapolated from what can be seen but what we see is as old as the light year distance.... so we can't see the ripples somehow because it would have already been a long time ago, or they're invisible? Idk
LIGO detected ripples in space due to the collision of two stellar mass black holes! The method of detection is to measure the amount of compression of one of its arms (its an L shaped detector) by splitting a beam of light into the two arms, have them reflected at the ends, and then join them again. If peaks and troughs line up when joined - no gravitational waves, if they don't, that means the earth was ever so slightly compressed by ripples in spacetime.
Everything has to exist being supported by something other than itself. Therefore there cant be “ Nothing “ beyond the universe because the universe cannot support itself suspended by “nothing “. There has to be another dimension beyond the universe that is not of the universe or of what we call reality to support the reality of that we live in. Our universe is a bottle that has to be spun.
“Everything has to exist being supported by something other than itself” This answer leads to it turtles all the way down because then the other dimension need to be explained and so fourth as it would still be part of the Cosmos just in a space casually disconnected from ours.
Did you know that there is no inherent illumination or luminosity in photons? “Light,” as such, cannot be found there. Photons are, perhaps, ‘packets’ of energy which have the properties of both spread-out waves and localized particles. Photons only take on the appearance of being luminous as they arise within consciousness, in our mind’s eye. It may be that photons are spread-out energy potentials that fill the immensity of space, and only take on the appearance of being a localized discrete particle of “light” when we become aware of them in consciousness, in this actualized awareness we call mind. Thus, you are the light of the kosmos. This “light” is only arising in us. The world outside of a mind is perfectly ‘dark,’ or empty, unactualized in any way. Of course, what else could it be? What would perceive it as illuminated, or as any “thing”? All of our thoughts are the activity of consciousness, modulations of that consciousness, incarnations within that pure consciousness, rays shining from inside that consciousness. We are agents of that consciousness, emerging from within that consciousness. All there is to experience is the knowing of it, and that knowing is God’s own Self in us, living in us, the source of our life, the energy of consciousness itself. We could say that God lives in us, since consciousness seems to have become localized in this particular body-mind. Or we could say that we live in God, since all that we perceive arises in that consciousness, including our body-mind. Thus, Jesus was right to say, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:10-11, 20). Both are true, and they are true of us as well. We are arising within God, and God is arising within us as well. Sometimes this is called “mutual indwelling,” the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father, also called perichoresis or co-inherence in Christian terminology. God is the field of consciousness in which all knowing occurs, in which all thoughts and perceptions and feelings and sensations arise, like waves in the ocean. Our body-mind and its thoughts are like localizations within that consciousness, temporary manifestations of that Ultimate Reality, expressions of that consciousness, that being, that One. God becomes veiled and hidden from our awareness when the thoughts that arise in and from consciousness believe they are something separate and discrete from the consciousness in which they are arising. The thoughts form a separate entity, a dualistic subjective ego, a separate self identity, an independent being, an “Adam/Eve,” which thinks it is apart from infinite nondual divine consciousness and Ultimate Reality. This seems to be the “Fall,” the beginning of duality and separateness and alienation from God’s Presence. But how could thoughts be separate from the consciousness in which they have arisen? They can’t, but that is exactly what our thoughts and our self-identification with them think they are. It is a kind of psychological illusion. The thoughts take on their own separate identity apart from pure nondual consciousness, forming a self, a person, an entity, seemingly cut off from its own source and essence. Once we look at it like this, it seems impossible, and that is because it is. Our ‘self’ is never actually separate from the source in which it arises, thoughts are never separate from the consciousness in which they emerge, the wave is not separate from the ocean. The thoughts that make up our ‘self’ are just finite actualizations or relative localizations of the infinite potential of absolute consciousness, or Divine Being, or Ultimate Reality. In Christian symbolism we call this the incarnation of God. In Buddhism it is the Dharmakaya that incarnates as the Nirmanakaya Buddha. In Hinduism it is Brahman that manifests itself as each Atman. God becomes incarnate in reality, in the flesh, embodied, in us and all things. There is no time, no space, nowhere we can go, nowhere we can be, that will be outside of this Presence of God, outside of this consciousness, beyond the borders of God, or the Ultimate Reality. God is always present, and is Presence itself, awareness itself, consciousness itself, the “spirit of life” within us, from which we derive all being, all knowing, all our substance, every thought, every sensation. It all arises in God. This is perhaps why, in order to pierce the veil and know God directly, contemplative practices such as meditation help train us to transcend thought, to go back to the source of thought itself, beyond all thoughts of self, to recognize that from which it all arises, this pure open vastness of nondual unitive at-one consciousness. Do you see why we cannot “think” God? Nothing that arises in consciousness as a thought will be that consciousness in which it is arising. No relative finite manifestation in consciousness can be the absolute pure infinite consciousness, even though every manifestation or relativization or actualization of that consciousness is made up of nothing other than that consciousness. God is Present even while we are trying to comprehend God, even in the midst of that very comprehension. God is what makes that attempt at comprehension even possible. God is the very field in which we are trying to know God. When we let go of the trying, the conceptualization, surrendering the thoughts that are trying to know themselves, and rest in the pure still silent open awareness of being, that is when the realization of God may dawn on us, as us.
The universe must be infinite. Only logical answer, though inconceivable. If not, it must be contained, so, how deep is the container, and what's after that?
1. What was the function of the protein that was first coded by RNA or DNA from which a selection could be made? 2. If the fewest genes that a cell can have to sustain life is around 400 but it has to have additional DNA to have reproductive function how can RNA or DNA have primacy ? 3. If a flatworm can be multiploidy and maintain function and morphology how does DNA have primacy? 4. How is it that a cockroach and rats can reproduce, after nuclear radiation,with mutations such that they become multi ploidy in order to maintain morphology and function and RNA or DNA have primacy or a selective function? 5. Why are a dog and a dingo or completely different genetic plants nearly identical? To what are they “converging “? 6. There can be any number of ways that a thing in nature can be the shape of a sphere but how many possible ways are there that a thing in nature can be the shape of a Mandelbrot set? Why is the brain a Mandelbrot set? How is a Mandelbrot set selected for from an infinite number of fractal patterns?
I had first thought that Max Tegmark was totally out of his mind, but I am now changing my own mind, and am even surprised he didn’t double down on his last statement by highlighting this example: since Kantor first ventured into these treacherous waters, we now know that in mathematics there are different types of infinities and that there are infinities beyond infinities. Aleph-0, Aleph-1, Aleph-2,…, Aleph-Aleph-0, ad infinitum and beyond. At the same time, physicists are increasingly saying that the ultimate stuff that reality is made of is « information », aka math. So the next question must be: where does rationality, and thus math, come from? - remembering that « rational » comes from Latin « ratio » meaning calculation. Now that’s a question!! And what does it mean that we are able to have access to it? This echoes Einstein’s (was it he?) « What I find most incomprehensible is that reality is comprehensible ». That wonder-statement is perhaps the most baffling one I’ve ever heard. Thanks for this interview: I’d have liked to hear Max explain his views a bit more deeply.
1 + 1 = 2 IS NOT A GENERAL TRUTH. --------------------------------------------------------- If one ponders whether there exists any system of knowledge no scientist, philosopher, saint or whoever has ever disputed, then what comes immediately to anybody's mind is the system of arithmetic operations. 1 + 1 = 2 is often quoted as the best example of an undeniable absolute truth. But are these operational rules so certain? Consider the following observations: Imagine you add one heap (=lot) of apples to another heap of apples. Then you must write 1 heap + 1 heap = 1 heap In this case it is very right to say 1+ 1 = 1 Therefore the statement that "one plus one equals two" is only a conditional fact and not an absolute truth. Similarly also other rules of arithmetic. For example if you take two heaps of apples with two in each and two with three in each and make five heaps with two in each, then the statement 2 heaps + 2 heaps = 5 heaps, hence 2 + 2 = 5 is also correct. Have you ever seen even a single table of arithmetic operations, where it is mentioned that accuracy of these operations are conditional? On the contrary, the rules of arithmetic are often quoted as examples of "absolute truth" even by most stubborn philosophers. It is taught that different catogeries (or units) cannot be added (operated, in general), but here it is the same catogery (units) ~ "heaps" of the very same fruit, normally used to explain (prove) "one plus one equals two" ~ alone is involved. And when you add two cubes of sugar into your tea 1 +1 = 0 is also correct.
Perhaps reality is just infinite Tegmark's picking up example universe's in response to an interview question. This is why he has that signature smile, he knows that he is ultimate reality. At the Planck length he no longer has the ball because he is fundamental .
Great talk. Can somebody expain - how can the universe be infinite if it was created at the big bang. At which time it was presumably finite. How big was the universe when it became infinite? How can anything that was once finite ever be infinite? Sorry if this is a dumb question but I would love an answer.
Consider this: matter is a mental construct. Therefore, the only limit to the universe is determined by thought. As our thought expands, so does the universe.
Nobody has the courage to simply say "I don't know!" So we are inundated with infinite conjecture all backed up by reference to their God of Physics, Mr E=anything I make up under his name.
The size of the cosmos just blows the he'll out of my mind.......Years ago I figured our galaxy was huge beyond belief and maybe there were a few more out there, but now that we have the James Webb telescope operating it has opened our eyes and mind to the trillions of galaxies that exist in this universe..........I think about it everyday now, unlike my wife that lives in her world of shopping malls and soap operas and doesn't care about the cosmos..........
Very well spoken. I would argue math is only a way we have found to interpret the universe. It allows us to abstractly analyze the universe and understand things that would be difficult to understand otherwise.
I think the mathematical universe hypothesis is a nice idea, but it limits itself to regularities. The regularities in our observable universe might be just due to the anthropic principle.
5:26 Wanna know how big the universe likely is? 1. You know when we backup off the Milky Way and we see that we are but one squiggle of space in a river of flowing galaxies that curve and head down a drain towards the great attractor? Well, back off the camera as far as the eye can see. You’ll likely see a bubble. Something like a 3 dimensional race track. A bubble expanding and contracting like a vibration. We are so small it probably looks like it’s expanding. Those could be minor fluctuations. 😂❤
I have this question, is there an another universe which is closest to ours, and is expanding exponentially like ours? if it is so, is it possible that some of those other galaxies would encounter our outer galaxies? Thank you.
The Function, Intelligence & Mind CATEGORIES ... and .. the origin of all thermodynamic Systems(functions) ... proves God created Man in His likeness with a Mind that is natural ( Body) & unnatural (soul). There is only the Natural Universe .. that originates from & is expanding in ... an UNNATURAL System.
It is an excellent question, friend.. One popular theory is exactly that..These "Bubble" universes are postulated to exist within a super space, sometimes called the BULK.. When collisions occur with adjacent bubbles (Universes), new universes are created from the resultant energy exchange..Peace.
If you can discover what meaning the word inverse has for you-could possibly have for you, you will see that another is gibberish or simple nonsense amnd woolly ,mentation, but you simply cannot discover what lies behind that word in your associative apparatus that is not just some vague generalisation
7:02 Do you guys see how the universe is a series of dishes or bowls? See the impacts in space time? Empty black space is a liquid. It might not contain any atoms but it still has a value and a mode. It will act in a certain way.
The problem here is you can’t understand how big it is because size is a reference. Infinity cannot be comprehended by the human mind, which is a finite organic organism.
The cosmos are endless because we are ALL conscious energy that is connected to the cosmos which means if our consciousness is eternal than so is the cosmos
As usual on UA-cam, there’s Dunning-Kruger effect in some of these comments. There is no way Tegmark could develop these ideas in a 14-minute video. Before criticizing them, may I recommend Tegmark’s book, The Mathematical Universe? I was a skeptic when I started it, but finished it convinced: Our universe is probably math.
To describe the fundamental structure of the universe as only mathematics seems close to the idea that we are a simulation. However if we are not a simulation, mathematics doesn't offer an explanation to consciousness.
There’s lots of us that have been in the multi-verse. With a discovery of quantum entanglement the word universe does not apply anymore. It’s multi-verse.
He's trying to represent the paradigm of thought at the time the experiment was first done. You're always a negative comment on this channel. Why do you even subscribe and watch this channel? Just to leave immature narcissistic comments?
There's no reason to suppose in an infinite universe that nature hasn't tried every type of maths as a framework for a reality. I quite like the idea of evolutionary universes, each of which tries a particular framework of mathematics with an evolutionary tableau of natural 'constants', each in a dance between stability and dynamism
There's something out there beyond what human can think. If there other universes then that implies divison so what's inbetween and what are they all contained in.
Imagination - Process of Pure Creation The process of creation starts with thought - an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought. This is true of the universe as well. Thought is the first level of creation. Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact. Words are the second level of creation. Next comes action. Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything. The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced. Hang on. There's one thing more I have to tell you. You are always seeing what by your terms you would define as the "past," even when you are looking at what is right in front of you. I am? It is impossible to see The Present. The Present "happens," then turns into a burst of light, formed by energy dispersing, and that light reaches your receptors, your eyes, and it takes time for it to do that. All the while the light is reaching you, life is going on, moving forward. The next event is happening while the light from the last event is reaching you. The energy burst reaches your eyes, your receptors send that signal to your brain, which interprets the data and tells you what you are seeing. Yet that is not what is now in front of you at all. It is what you think you are seeing. That is, you are thinking about what you have seen, telling yourself what it is, and deciding what you are going to call it, while what is happening "now" is preceding your process, and awaiting it. To put this simply, I am always one step ahead of you. My God, this is unbelievable. Now listen. The more distance you place between your Self and the physical location of any event, the further into the "past" that event recedes. Place yourself a few light-years back, and what you are looking at happened very, very long ago, indeed. Yet it did not happen "long ago." It is merely physical distance which has created the illusion of "time," and allowed you to experience your Self as being both "here, now" all the while you are being "there, then"! One day you will see that what you call time and space are the same thing. Then you will see that everything is happening right here, right now. This is....this is....wild. I mean, I don't know what to make of all this. When you understand what I have told you, you will understand that nothing you see is real. You are seeing the image of what was once an event, yet even that image, that energy burst, is something you are interpreting. Your personal interpretation of that image is called your image-ination. And you can use your imagination to create anything. Because - and here is the greatest secret of all - your image-ination works both ways. Please? You not only interpret energy, you create it. Imagination is a function of your mind, which is one-third of your three-part being. In your mind you image something, and it begins to take physical form. The longer you image it (and the more OF you who image it), the more physical that form becomes, until the increasing energy you have given it literally bursts into light, flashing an image of itself into what you call your reality. You then "see" the image, and once again decide what it is. Thus, the cycle continues. This is what I have called The Process. This is what YOU ARE. You ARE this Process. This is what I have meant when I have said, you are both the Creator and the Created. I have now brought it all together for you. We are concluding this dialogue, and I have explained to you the mechanics of the universe, the secret of all life. Okay. Now as energy coalesced, it becomes, as I said, very concentrated. But the further one moves from the point of this concentration, the more dissipated the energy becomes. The "air becomes thinner." The aura fades. The energy never completely disappears, because it cannot. It is the stuff of which everything is made. It's All There Is. Yet it can become very, very thin, very subtle - almost "not there." Then, in another place (read that, another part of Itself) it can again coalesce, once more "clumping together" to form what you call matter, and what "looks like" a discreet unit. Now the two units appear separate from each other, and in truth there is no separation at all. This is, in very, very simple and elementary terms, the explanation behind the whole physical universe. Wow. But can it be true? How do I know I haven't just made this all up? Your scientists are already discovering that the building blocks of all of life are the same. They brought back rocks from the moon and found the same stuff they find in trees. They take apart a tree and find the same stuff they find in you. I tell you this: We are all the same stuff. (I and the Father are One Energy) We are the same energy, coalesced, compressed in different ways to create different forms and different matter. Nothing "matters" in and of itself. That is, nothing can become matter all by itself. Jesus said, "Without the Father, I am nothing." The Father of all is pure thought. This is the energy of life. This is what you have chosen to call Absolute Love. This is the God and the Goddess, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It is the All-in-All, the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Source. It is that which you have sought to understand from the beginning of time. The Great Mystery, the Endless Enigma, the Eternal Truth. There is only One of Us, and so, it is THAT WHICH YOU ARE.
When we say "Reality, all there is", size is meaningless. Where there is one, thus incomparability, dimensionlessness must be admitted. Relative size cannot be characteristic of all.
He had me up until he mentioned superposition and light through a window. After that he sounded very unsure. You can't measure anything with quantum physics. You can only make highly sophisticated guesses and predictions.
Max is just plain enjoyable to listen to and learn from.
ok, ok...
he sounds tarded to me
Like listening to Max. A charismatic academic AND with a good haircut... A rare phenomenon!
He refutes the argument the worse the haircut the higher the IQ.
@@CesarClouds Ahh yes, the famous theorem:
Intelligent Quotient= [Inverse square of the fade + cos(months since last haircut)] / social (un)awareness.
@@Shadow-In-The-East Lol
The universe isn't just bigger than you think it is, it's bigger than you can think.
I think it's infinitely big. It may well be smaller than that but there's no way it's bigger.
Deep question for a shallow mind. A man can drown in 2 inches of water.🤯
It's not big. Big requires an acceptance that the universe is finite, and that some portion of it is "big" in relation to the "whole." If it's infinite, none of this is truly big nor small.
Ur all wrong
Top comment👍, you win the black hole my brain collapsed into while reflecting on the size of the universe! 🕳️
This man is so brilliant, I highly respect him. Max Tegmark is a brilliant man.
ok, ok...
Indeed he is. I thoroughly enjoy his conversations any time I view them.
What are you talking about he doesn't know that God is real ,how smart can he be.
That long pause and moment of deep silence between them at 13:07 is truly unnerving -- like they've reached the edge of everything and aren't sure what to make of it.
Yeah, I felt that.
The excitement in this guy face as he speaks and explains things is something !!!!!👍
I love this conversation. Flowing, intelligent and enjoyable. Added to my favourites.
If the past is any indication of what the future holds, it would appear that we are destined to forever underestimate the size of our reality.
…..size doesnt matter.
It’s the nature of reality that interests me
@@PetraKann maybe nature is emergent from reality?
@@PetraKann I'm interested in both, the size of the universe and the "nature of reality" of the Cosmos. I'm struggling to understand is reality of the universe, including earth, pointing to a Creator. But that's a different subject.
@@johnbrzykcy3076 There is nothing that points to a Creator. We do underestimate the size of the Cosmos.
The universe in it’s entirety must surely be of infinite size and must always have been. Even at the moment of the Big Bang when the universe was of infinite density it was also of infinite size. However when the observable universe which is of finite size, was of infinite density ( at the moment of the Big Bang ) it must have been of zero size.
“Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space.”
― Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
I was a young man when that book then BBC TV series came out. Enjoyed both. Those were the days.
Prostetnic Vogon JeltzI'll will tell his auntie :)
Excellent interview, as always.
I really enjoy this entire series because the more questions are asked the further from the truth it seems to be going, which I think is great because it just shows how little we know.
Such a great series. Am I smart enough to understand any of it? No. But I appreciate the challenge.
That’s how we grow. Challenging ourselves.
That's what public school intends. High majority of these modern academicians are not what they seem - their position is that of the consensus, dialectic that of a neophyte, progress measured in technological advancements only, today they're not doing genuine science, rather something abhor. You don't need to out smart them, let them have their episteme; you need only out think them, and when you can you see they're only salesmen. They don't know anything, physicists don't know anything. Ask them some questions and see for yourself.
They think babies comes from hospitals, food from store, electricity from the power plants.
@@S3RAVA3LM that’s a lot of big claims and disrespect. So have anything to back it up?
@@therick363 Its difficult to challenge yourself when you realize you are no scholar and seemingly the more you learn, the less you know.
But we keep trying, inch by inch. Hmm.. I won't get far with that approach !
When I first read "Our Mathematical Universe" I threw the book across the room. Then I picked it up, and read it again and again. It's one thing to say our universe is "described" by mathematics, but to state that it "IS a mathematical structure" .. that was a shock. How Tegmark made the leap was just as shocking. I am assuming that he using the premise that ""All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one.
Anyway I really am proud that there are physicists like Tegmark, Everett, and yes even Witten who are willing to risk their reputations on what might be dead end theories.
But as a plea to all scientists, please leave out the word "infinite" . It is a sign that you have given up.
Max is 56 years old so good genetics indeed.
Personally I see mathematics as a language. It's a medium for expressing ideas and relationships very precisely. So to me a 'physical law' expressed mathematically is just a very precise description of physical relationships and behaviour. So I'm not at all surprised that mathematics is so good at describing physics. Since mathematics is a very precise, rigorous and consistent language all that means is that the behaviour of physical systems is very consistent. Well, I hope the universe behaves consistently. If it doesn't we're in big trouble. That doesn't mean mathematics defines that behaviour though. The behaviour comes first. The problem is of course we don't know why we see this particular behaviour, or why the particles and constants in physics are the way they are. Maybe maths is fundamental, but I don't think that logically follows from mathematics being good at describing the universe.
Tegmark is suggesting that it is not just that maths is good at describing the universe, it defines the universe. [In other universes the defining maths (laws,rules) might be different.] What does it mean to say this? Does it mean that maths creates the universe, like a fractal? I have no idea.
Are numbers language? Is Sudoku a crossword puzzle?
Maths describes ... functions. Maths itself ... is a Function.
Universal Functions ... is the hypothesis for Sir Issac Newton's Watchmaker Analogy over 300 years ago and any MACHINE Analogy used to explain "Intelligent design."
Newtonian Physics ... is simply everything (space, time, laws, matter, energy) is a Function .... that can only be made & assembled by ... an Intelligence.
This is why Religions are natural phenomena, because Man is an Intelligence with a Mind & Intellect .. to always deduced from OBSERVATION ... that anything that has purpose, form, function & design ... can only be made by an entity like Man (Intelligence).
Science is a method of FUNCTION ... created by Man (a Function) ... to explain natural phenomena (functions) ... using fixed Laws of Nature(functions).
The Scientific Method is:
1. Observe
2. Hypothesis
3. Test & Predict
4. Conclude
5. Refine.
It is easily to test & make predictions ... with the hypothesis ... that everything from the quantum level to the cosmic ... is a Function.
But nobody what's to test .... Universal Functions ....because they have & Mind & freewill .. to think, believe, say & do whatever they want ... and .... they all know that anything that is a Function can only be made by an intelligence.
All Systems ... are Functions.
And the Universe ... is the only known Isolated Thermodynamic System ( NATURAL function).
Check the origin of any thermodynamic System?
Newton was correct. Everything is a NATURAL Function ... that must be made by an UNNATURAL intelligence.
In my humble opinion, you are quite right Simon.. The genesis of math is rooted solely in logical descriptors of our environment. Simple equations, however, have evolved beyond our ability to accurately clarify their meaning using any human language..The "Unreasonable effectiveness of math" is STILL a philosophical mystery.. Peace.
@@glaubs65 "Are numbers language? Is Sudoku a crossword puzzle?"
Numbers are labels we use for various kinds of mathematical objects. Natural numbers, real numbers, quantities, elements of a series, etc. We actually use them in many different ways. I understand Tegmark's point, I think that when he talks about the unreasonable effectiveness of mathematics, I just disagree that this is evidence for his thesis. He might be correct, but I just don't buy that line of argument. That mathematics accurately describes the universe just means the universe is a consistent system, that's all.
The moral of the story is that we're the only friends we have that can get to us in time to save us, so we should try being a little nicer to each other.
What we humans perceive as the observable universe is a very very small amount of what is out there.
Could watch max tegmark all day he’s fascinating
I’ve been searching for a globe like Max is using for years and can’t find one anywhere. I find it hard to imagine anyone that loves cosmology not wanting one.
What were you searching with, a blind man's stick? An archeologist's brush? 😊
I just used Google and found one in under 10 seconds. I find it hard to imagine that if you really wanted one you wouldn't have looked for one online.
@@nagualdesign it’s been a couple of years since I last searched. I gave up in the end. It’s nice to know someone is finally doing it.
It definitely wasn’t available back then and a manufacturer I approached wondered why anyone would even want one (🤦🏼♀️🙄)!
So thanks for the info, I’ll have a hunt.
Time to dust off that archeologist brush of mine! 😁
@@peterbondy 😊 Happy hunting!
When max proposed the black hole firewall and no infinity I became astonished. Began thinking of the edge of universe, a wall like structure at the end of our universe. But felt I dissolved to earlier. What will universe bring when we get there is just fascinating to me
"Reflection is key to unlock celestial mysteries beyond the dark veil."
-- Artemis
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"Before I start, I must see my end.
Destination known, my mind’s journey now begins.
Upon my chariot, heart and soul’s fate revealed.
In time, all points converge, hope’s strength re-steeled.
But to earn final peace at the universe’s endless refrain,
We must see all in nothingness... before we start again."
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--Diamond Dragons (series)
Max is amazing, I love the way he explains the things, so down to earth.
Yep. AI should modelled on Max.
🧐 This particular piece with Max Tegmark reminds me of my early non technical interest Astronomy, while in the military spending countless nights on security in the desert, observing the stars , incessantly thinking is there an end to the universe, great peace enjoyed discussion Robert/Max 🤔👀👍
A excellent interview!
Max is one of my all time favorite Theoretical(?) Physicists!
I ress as d , back in the early nineties, that there were understood, mathematical structures, that our multiverse used to ‘spec out’ the values of physics, called ‘Goeshe #s’; I’ve never seen that theory since.
Would anyone else ever heard, or even know about theee ‘Goeshe #s’?
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Max Tegmark quotes many of the same things in the book by Päs, Heinrich. 2023. The One (Basic Books) Excellent read!
Does sound interesting!
@@OspreyFlyer Enjoy!
…and “before you know it”, the strange, quantum-reality branches recombine - and the whole world slips into madness… Well, when the base pointers are mixed up, one gets very strange “description space” (I just invented that term to counter Hilbert spaces and multidimensional manifolds and a bunch more). Don’t get me wrong: This is old material, and I like Max Tegmark (who’s, apparently, in the same QM camp Sean Carroll is - namely “Many Worlds”), but… 🙄 I guess big boys also have idols…
Great talk !
That pause at 13:05.
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I think, in a very simple language, space refers to vacuum. So when the expression, "space is expanding" is used, I wonder, "Expanding to where?" When something expands, it displaces something or occupies a space that was previously unoccupied. So what is the expanding space displacing or what was the state of the unoccupied condition (or let me say "space" to which space is expanding?
I think it is accurate to say the universe (the totality of matter and energy) is expanding rather than saying space is expanding. Space is an infinity therefore it is not possible for it to expand.
I can see the absurdity of a finite universe (what's outside it?) But I'm not sure I get what the absurdities of an infinite universe.are? Is it just the normal problems physicists have with infinity, which I don't really grasp either. It's mathematical right? Infinities are bad for equations? Am I right? I'm not a physicist and I have no idea why they are bad for equations.
The Universe is an isolated thermodynamic System ... with space, time, Natural Laws, matter, & energy ... and ... increasing energy.
A thermodynamic System can not be INFINITE .... as this will allow IMPOSSIBLE thermodynamic processes ... producing CONSTANT entropy.
All thermodynamic Systems ... are functions made by an intelligence due to the information they possess ... and ..originate from the SURROUNDING System ... which must provide the space, time Laws of NATURE, matter, energy & intelligence ... to exist & to function.
The Surrounding System ... of the Universe that has fixed Laws of NATURE & time ... must be UNNATURAL, infinite, timeless with unnatural laws & an unnatural intelligence ... otherwise it is a thermodynamic System that originates from the SURROUNDING Systems.
Time & the Laws of Nature ... are part of the Universe ... which is FINITE.
Infinity & timelessness ... are only part of the SURROUNDING ... Unnatural System.
Why is there no origin theory of the Universe ... of a NATURAL System expanding in an ... UNNATURAL System? Why are they all ignoring the Universe being a Thermodynamic System with increasing entropy ... and any Machine Analogies used by Theists to explain "Intelligent Design?"
Simple.
God created Man in His likeness ... with freewill ... to think, believe, say & do whatever He/She wants ... and to live forever as HIs Children ... but the moment Man sins he will die ( body & soul).
Time & the Laws of Nature ... began less than 6 x 1000 years ago.
God had a reason for the 6 day Creation & the 7th Day belongs to Him .. 1 day is like a year or 1000 years depending on the Prophesies in the Bible ... and .. Jesus (God's Son) will return to rule for 1 x 1000 years before Judgement Day with 144 000 Jews who were murdered in END TIMES believing in the Christ.
The current Jewish year .... since the Fall of Man ... is 5783. ... with most religious Jews believing they are living in END TIMES and that their promised Messiah will appear ( or return) to save them and bring everlasting peace to the world.
Science completely supports God creating Man ... less than 6 000 years ago ... in an UNNATURAL System, with unnatural laws that is infinite & timeless.
And the Christians & Jews ... have identified the ... Unnatural Intelligence(God) who made a Natural INtelliigence(Man) ... and His 7 x 1000 year long "Salvation" Plan.
@@glaubs65 Something infinite does not grow or expand, it is already endless. Had the universe been infinite, it would not be expanding. For the fact that the universe is evidently expanding, it is clear that it has not reached infinity and will never reach infinity no matter how long it takes. At best, it will keep expanding for all future eternity. Infinite space (empty, dark, cold endless space) is ever there awaiting the universe's expansion. What lies beyond the universe is described in these words: "stars with no set course, for which the blackest darkness stands reserved forever." - Jude 13 in the Bible.
Our mathematics for infinity is always going in the opposite direction. Instead of getting infinitely larger, it gets infinitely smaller. That being the case, we have to make a logical assumption: infinity is equal to one. With this assumption, all other things will be infinitely less than one but more than zero. That goes in line with our current mathematics where we easily get descending infinity.
Infinities are bad for equations (and predictions and understanding) because they make equationd unsolvable, even meaningless. They break down rationality - at least, human rationality. « And then there is only silence »!
My simple mind says, "space" is immeasureable just as our perception on "eternity".
Bring your Dad to work day for Max's 4 year old; "Hi, I'm a Firefighter and I put out fires." "Hi, I'm a Police Officer and I arrest bad people." "Hi, I'm a Theoretical Physicist and we live in a multiverse." Kids, "Is it snack time yet?"
It's smack time with Max.
I wonder how explained his "quantum suicide" thought experiment to them... jk:)
this is part of my everyday reflexions...😎🥶💫⚛
Good stuff for Sci-Fi movies!!!
So what happens when the earth is traveling through a ripple or wave in space? Can we get compressed and stretched since we exist in space?
Would we be able to tell? Or would it not be noticed because everything would be undergoing the same effects and even our observations of far away things are extrapolated from what can be seen but what we see is as old as the light year distance.... so we can't see the ripples somehow because it would have already been a long time ago, or they're invisible? Idk
LIGO detected ripples in space due to the collision of two stellar mass black holes! The method of detection is to measure the amount of compression of one of its arms (its an L shaped detector) by splitting a beam of light into the two arms, have them reflected at the ends, and then join them again. If peaks and troughs line up when joined - no gravitational waves, if they don't, that means the earth was ever so slightly compressed by ripples in spacetime.
Our gravitational wave observatories can detect the Earth being stretched and compressed by those ripples by as little as the width of a proton.
Everything has to exist being supported by something other than itself. Therefore there cant be
“ Nothing “ beyond the universe because the universe cannot support itself suspended by “nothing “. There has to be another dimension beyond the universe that is not of the universe or of what we call reality to support the reality of that we live in. Our universe is a bottle that has to be spun.
“Everything has to exist being supported by something other than itself”
This answer leads to it turtles all the way down because then the other dimension need to be explained and so fourth as it would still be part of the Cosmos just in a space casually disconnected from ours.
Tegmark seems like he’s got ants in his pants throughout this interview
Did you know that there is no inherent illumination or luminosity in photons? “Light,” as such, cannot be found there. Photons are, perhaps, ‘packets’ of energy which have the properties of both spread-out waves and localized particles. Photons only take on the appearance of being luminous as they arise within consciousness, in our mind’s eye. It may be that photons are spread-out energy potentials that fill the immensity of space, and only take on the appearance of being a localized discrete particle of “light” when we become aware of them in consciousness, in this actualized awareness we call mind. Thus, you are the light of the kosmos. This “light” is only arising in us. The world outside of a mind is perfectly ‘dark,’ or empty, unactualized in any way. Of course, what else could it be? What would perceive it as illuminated, or as any “thing”?
All of our thoughts are the activity of consciousness, modulations of that consciousness, incarnations within that pure consciousness, rays shining from inside that consciousness. We are agents of that consciousness, emerging from within that consciousness. All there is to experience is the knowing of it, and that knowing is God’s own Self in us, living in us, the source of our life, the energy of consciousness itself.
We could say that God lives in us, since consciousness seems to have become localized in this particular body-mind. Or we could say that we live in God, since all that we perceive arises in that consciousness, including our body-mind. Thus, Jesus was right to say, “I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:10-11, 20). Both are true, and they are true of us as well. We are arising within God, and God is arising within us as well. Sometimes this is called “mutual indwelling,” the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father, also called perichoresis or co-inherence in Christian terminology.
God is the field of consciousness in which all knowing occurs, in which all thoughts and perceptions and feelings and sensations arise, like waves in the ocean. Our body-mind and its thoughts are like localizations within that consciousness, temporary manifestations of that Ultimate Reality, expressions of that consciousness, that being, that One.
God becomes veiled and hidden from our awareness when the thoughts that arise in and from consciousness believe they are something separate and discrete from the consciousness in which they are arising. The thoughts form a separate entity, a dualistic subjective ego, a separate self identity, an independent being, an “Adam/Eve,” which thinks it is apart from infinite nondual divine consciousness and Ultimate Reality. This seems to be the “Fall,” the beginning of duality and separateness and alienation from God’s Presence.
But how could thoughts be separate from the consciousness in which they have arisen? They can’t, but that is exactly what our thoughts and our self-identification with them think they are. It is a kind of psychological illusion. The thoughts take on their own separate identity apart from pure nondual consciousness, forming a self, a person, an entity, seemingly cut off from its own source and essence.
Once we look at it like this, it seems impossible, and that is because it is. Our ‘self’ is never actually separate from the source in which it arises, thoughts are never separate from the consciousness in which they emerge, the wave is not separate from the ocean. The thoughts that make up our ‘self’ are just finite actualizations or relative localizations of the infinite potential of absolute consciousness, or Divine Being, or Ultimate Reality. In Christian symbolism we call this the incarnation of God. In Buddhism it is the Dharmakaya that incarnates as the Nirmanakaya Buddha. In Hinduism it is Brahman that manifests itself as each Atman. God becomes incarnate in reality, in the flesh, embodied, in us and all things.
There is no time, no space, nowhere we can go, nowhere we can be, that will be outside of this Presence of God, outside of this consciousness, beyond the borders of God, or the Ultimate Reality. God is always present, and is Presence itself, awareness itself, consciousness itself, the “spirit of life” within us, from which we derive all being, all knowing, all our substance, every thought, every sensation. It all arises in God. This is perhaps why, in order to pierce the veil and know God directly, contemplative practices such as meditation help train us to transcend thought, to go back to the source of thought itself, beyond all thoughts of self, to recognize that from which it all arises, this pure open vastness of nondual unitive at-one consciousness.
Do you see why we cannot “think” God? Nothing that arises in consciousness as a thought will be that consciousness in which it is arising. No relative finite manifestation in consciousness can be the absolute pure infinite consciousness, even though every manifestation or relativization or actualization of that consciousness is made up of nothing other than that consciousness. God is Present even while we are trying to comprehend God, even in the midst of that very comprehension. God is what makes that attempt at comprehension even possible. God is the very field in which we are trying to know God. When we let go of the trying, the conceptualization, surrendering the thoughts that are trying to know themselves, and rest in the pure still silent open awareness of being, that is when the realization of God may dawn on us, as us.
Damn, Max really show us in this video you can be high as fuck and still give a pretty cool interview
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He's feeling pretty glonky 😂
Totally baked....nice and crispy.
The universe must be infinite. Only logical answer, though inconceivable.
If not, it must be contained, so, how deep is the container, and what's after that?
1. What was the function of the protein that was first coded by RNA or DNA from which a selection could be made?
2. If the fewest genes that a cell can have to sustain life is around 400 but it has to have additional DNA to have reproductive function how can RNA or DNA have primacy ?
3. If a flatworm can be multiploidy and maintain function and morphology how does DNA have primacy?
4. How is it that a cockroach and rats can reproduce, after nuclear radiation,with mutations such that they become multi ploidy in order to maintain morphology and function and RNA or DNA have primacy or a selective function?
5. Why are a dog and a dingo or completely different genetic plants nearly identical? To what are they “converging “?
6. There can be any number of ways that a thing in nature can be the shape of a sphere but how many possible ways are there that a thing in nature can be the shape of a Mandelbrot set?
Why is the brain a Mandelbrot set?
How is a Mandelbrot set selected for from an infinite number of fractal patterns?
I had first thought that Max Tegmark was totally out of his mind, but I am now changing my own mind, and am even surprised he didn’t double down on his last statement by highlighting this example: since Kantor first ventured into these treacherous waters, we now know that in mathematics there are different types of infinities and that there are infinities beyond infinities. Aleph-0, Aleph-1, Aleph-2,…, Aleph-Aleph-0, ad infinitum and beyond.
At the same time, physicists are increasingly saying that the ultimate stuff that reality is made of is « information », aka math.
So the next question must be: where does rationality, and thus math, come from? - remembering that « rational » comes from Latin « ratio » meaning calculation. Now that’s a question!! And what does it mean that we are able to have access to it? This echoes Einstein’s (was it he?) « What I find most incomprehensible is that reality is comprehensible ». That wonder-statement is perhaps the most baffling one I’ve ever heard. Thanks for this interview: I’d have liked to hear Max explain his views a bit more deeply.
1 + 1 = 2 IS NOT A GENERAL TRUTH.
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If one ponders whether there exists any system of knowledge no scientist, philosopher, saint or whoever has ever disputed, then what comes immediately to anybody's mind is the system of arithmetic operations.
1 + 1 = 2 is often quoted as the best example of an undeniable absolute truth.
But are these operational rules so certain?
Consider the following observations:
Imagine you add one heap (=lot) of apples to another heap of apples. Then you must write
1 heap + 1 heap = 1 heap
In this case it is very right to say
1+ 1 = 1
Therefore the statement that "one plus one equals two" is only a conditional fact and not an absolute truth.
Similarly also other rules of arithmetic.
For example if you take two heaps of apples with two in each and two with three in each and make five heaps with two in each, then the statement
2 heaps + 2 heaps = 5 heaps,
hence 2 + 2 = 5 is also correct.
Have you ever seen even a single table of arithmetic operations, where it is mentioned that accuracy of these operations are conditional?
On the contrary, the rules of arithmetic are often quoted as examples of "absolute truth" even by most stubborn philosophers.
It is taught that different catogeries (or units) cannot be added (operated, in general), but here it is the same catogery (units) ~ "heaps" of the very same fruit, normally used to explain (prove) "one plus one equals two" ~ alone is involved.
And when you add two cubes of sugar into your tea
1 +1 = 0 is also correct.
soo good thx
Yes. Space must go on forever...above and beyond the Cosmos.
i just watched max on lex channel is this an old recording ? max looks so young in this interview
I'm not sure what is the strangest thought: That the universe might be infinite, or that it might be finite. Both ideas seem to lead to absurdities.
And the strangest absurdity that I struggle with, did an infinite reality create the finite?
@SamoaVsEverybody_814 The Universe does not expand into anything. According to relativity the relative distance between galaxies is increasing.
Perhaps reality is just infinite Tegmark's picking up example universe's in response to an interview question. This is why he has that signature smile, he knows that he is ultimate reality. At the Planck length he no longer has the ball because he is fundamental .
Great talk. Can somebody expain - how can the universe be infinite if it was created at the big bang. At which time it was presumably finite. How big was the universe when it became infinite? How can anything that was once finite ever be infinite? Sorry if this is a dumb question but I would love an answer.
There is nothing that says the initial state was finite.
Max, great scientist and philosopher.
Consider this: matter is a mental construct. Therefore, the only limit to the universe is determined by thought. As our thought expands, so does the universe.
There was an uncomfortable moment of silence in that little chat
Nobody has the courage to simply say "I don't know!" So we are inundated with infinite conjecture all backed up by reference to their God of Physics, Mr E=anything I make up under his name.
He has the Answers
The size of the cosmos just blows the he'll out of my mind.......Years ago I figured our galaxy was huge beyond belief and maybe there were a few more out there, but now that we have the James Webb telescope operating it has opened our eyes and mind to the trillions of galaxies that exist in this universe..........I think about it everyday now, unlike my wife that lives in her world of shopping malls and soap operas and doesn't care about the cosmos..........
It's only 1 square foot but everything in it is infinitely ♾️ small. 😶
Its depends, best to think we are all an individual universe moving around one world. Job done
No human can remotely imagine the size of our own galaxy much less the whole enchilada
Very well spoken. I would argue math is only a way we have found to interpret the universe. It allows us to abstractly analyze the universe and understand things that would be difficult to understand otherwise.
I think the mathematical universe hypothesis is a nice idea, but it limits itself to regularities.
The regularities in our observable universe might be just due to the anthropic principle.
5:26 Wanna know how big the universe likely is? 1. You know when we backup off the Milky Way and we see that we are but one squiggle of space in a river of flowing galaxies that curve and head down a drain towards the great attractor? Well, back off the camera as far as the eye can see. You’ll likely see a bubble. Something like a 3 dimensional race track. A bubble expanding and contracting like a vibration. We are so small it probably looks like it’s expanding. Those could be minor fluctuations. 😂❤
So! When he really wants to understand all of reality his first question is "how big is it?"
That is just so precious! 🤣
is space itself static or does it move ?
Why do trailer tires require much higher PSI than the car tires?
what i get stuck in is: if the universe has a shape, even a shape we cant comprehend, what is the place that the shape is existing on?
OMG, Max, you're totally rocking that gangster look!
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I wonder why i suck so bad at math, yet love science?
Love this guy. Awesome mind.
I have this question, is there an another universe which is closest to ours, and is expanding exponentially like ours? if it is so, is it possible that some of those other galaxies would encounter our outer galaxies? Thank you.
The Function, Intelligence & Mind CATEGORIES ... and .. the origin of all thermodynamic Systems(functions) ... proves God created Man in His likeness with a Mind that is natural ( Body) & unnatural (soul).
There is only the Natural Universe .. that originates from & is expanding in ... an UNNATURAL System.
It is an excellent question, friend.. One popular theory is exactly that..These "Bubble" universes are postulated to exist within a super space, sometimes called the BULK.. When collisions occur with adjacent bubbles (Universes), new universes are created from the resultant energy exchange..Peace.
@@Bill..N thanks bill
If you can discover what meaning the word inverse has for you-could possibly have for you, you will see that another is gibberish or simple nonsense amnd woolly ,mentation, but you simply cannot discover what lies behind that word in your associative apparatus that is not just some vague generalisation
@Peter Codner I certainly mean you NO offense friend, but I understood Rajendra's comment better than yours. You were addressing him, right..?
are the areas beyond observable universe / cosmos no longer causally connected?
7:02 Do you guys see how the universe is a series of dishes or bowls? See the impacts in space time? Empty black space is a liquid. It might not contain any atoms but it still has a value and a mode. It will act in a certain way.
If John Stamos was a space expert.
Somebody watches too much television
Space is death and disease wrapped in darkness and silence. That is a great summary imho.
The problem here is you can’t understand how big it is because size is a reference. Infinity cannot be comprehended by the human mind, which is a finite organic organism.
How round is a circle?
What is reality?
The cosmos are endless because we are ALL conscious energy that is connected to the cosmos which means if our consciousness is eternal than so is the cosmos
Your pseudonym saves you.
@@glaubs65 Just kidding.
As usual on UA-cam, there’s Dunning-Kruger effect in some of these comments. There is no way Tegmark could develop these ideas in a 14-minute video. Before criticizing them, may I recommend Tegmark’s book, The Mathematical Universe? I was a skeptic when I started it, but finished it convinced: Our universe is probably math.
Close your eyes, Go inside. Wittness your counsiousness. Where does it end? You are endless, same as existens it self😊
two thing can not be in one space at same time ?
To describe the fundamental structure of the universe as only mathematics seems close to the idea that we are a simulation. However if we are not a simulation, mathematics doesn't offer an explanation to consciousness.
Perhaps consciousness mirrors the universe and beyond, and maybe we should look inside for the answer.
Before you can tell the age of the universe you have to change your paradigm of what the living things are as stars and galaxies live and die.
There’s lots of us that have been in the multi-verse. With a discovery of quantum entanglement the word universe does not apply anymore. It’s multi-verse.
8:07 light particles. He's so smart isn't he
He's trying to represent the paradigm of thought at the time the experiment was first done. You're always a negative comment on this channel. Why do you even subscribe and watch this channel? Just to leave immature narcissistic comments?
@@David.C.Velasquez No, that's just your conception. Max is a liar like you and the rest of these athiests clowns who know nothing
Its big, thats for sure.
is the universe /.cosmos beyond what can be seen in some way different than observable universe / cosmos?
There's no reason to suppose in an infinite universe that nature hasn't tried every type of maths as a framework for a reality.
I quite like the idea of evolutionary universes, each of which tries a particular framework of mathematics with an evolutionary tableau of natural 'constants', each in a dance between stability and dynamism
The Earth isn’t even the equivalent of a grain of sand on the seashore,as opposed to the rest of the Universe. It’s mind boggling,to say the least.
If the universe is infinite, then at what finite point in time since the big bang did it become infinite?
The Universe is wider than our view of it...
~Henry
The conundrums. I think many of us have asked that 4 year old' s question and tried to conceptualize the conundrums.
There's something out there beyond what human can think. If there other universes then that implies divison so what's inbetween and what are they all contained in.
So the esoteric 'sacred geometry' is real in a sense ^^
Imagination - Process of Pure Creation
The process of creation starts with thought
- an idea, conception, visualization. Everything you see was once someone's idea. Nothing exists in your world that did not first exist as pure thought.
This is true of the universe as well.
Thought is the first level of creation.
Next comes the word. Everything you say is a thought expressed. It is creative and sends forth creative energy into the universe. Words are more dynamic (thus, some might say more creative) than thought, because words are a different level of vibration from thought. They disrupt (change, alter, affect) the universe with greater impact.
Words are the second level of creation.
Next comes action.
Actions are words moving. Words are thoughts expressed. Thoughts are ideas formed. Ideas are energies come together. Energies are forces released. Forces are elements existent. Elements are particles of God, portions of ALL, the stuff of everything.
The beginning is God. The end is action. Action is God creating - or God experienced.
Hang on. There's one thing more I have to tell you. You are always seeing what by your terms you would define as the "past," even when you are looking at what is right in front of you.
I am?
It is impossible to see The Present. The Present "happens," then turns into a burst of light, formed by energy dispersing, and that light reaches your receptors, your eyes, and it takes time for it to do that.
All the while the light is reaching you, life is going on, moving forward. The next event is happening while the light from the last event is reaching you.
The energy burst reaches your eyes, your receptors send that signal to your brain, which interprets the data and tells you what you are seeing. Yet that is not what is now in front of you at all. It is what you think you are seeing. That is, you are thinking about what you have seen, telling yourself what it is, and deciding what you are going to call it, while what is happening "now" is preceding your process, and awaiting it.
To put this simply, I am always one step ahead of you.
My God, this is unbelievable.
Now listen. The more distance you place between your Self and the physical location of any event, the further into the "past" that event recedes. Place yourself a few light-years back, and what you are looking at happened very, very long ago, indeed.
Yet it did not happen "long ago." It is merely physical distance which has created the illusion of "time," and allowed you to experience your Self as being both "here, now" all the while you are being "there, then"!
One day you will see that what you call time and space are the same thing.
Then you will see that everything is happening right here, right now.
This is....this is....wild. I mean, I don't know what to make of all this.
When you understand what I have told you, you will understand that nothing you see is real. You are seeing the image of what was once an event, yet even that image, that energy burst, is something you are interpreting. Your personal interpretation of that image is called your image-ination.
And you can use your imagination to create anything. Because - and here is the greatest secret of all - your image-ination works both ways.
Please?
You not only interpret energy, you create it. Imagination is a function of your mind, which is one-third of your three-part being. In your mind you image something, and it begins to take physical form. The longer you image it (and the more OF you who image it), the more physical that form becomes, until the increasing energy you have given it literally bursts into light, flashing an image of itself into what you call your reality.
You then "see" the image, and once again decide what it is. Thus, the cycle continues. This is what I have called The Process.
This is what YOU ARE. You ARE this Process.
This is what I have meant when I have said, you are both the Creator and the Created.
I have now brought it all together for you. We are concluding this dialogue, and I have explained to you the mechanics of the universe, the secret of all life.
Okay.
Now as energy coalesced, it becomes, as I said, very concentrated. But the further one moves from the point of this concentration, the more dissipated the energy becomes. The "air becomes thinner." The aura fades. The energy never completely disappears, because it cannot. It is the stuff of which everything is made. It's All There Is. Yet it can become very, very thin, very subtle - almost "not there."
Then, in another place (read that, another part of Itself) it can again coalesce, once more "clumping together" to form what you call matter, and what "looks like" a discreet unit. Now the two units appear separate from each other, and in truth there is no separation at all.
This is, in very, very simple and elementary terms, the explanation behind the whole physical universe.
Wow. But can it be true? How do I know I haven't just made this all up?
Your scientists are already discovering that the building blocks of all of life are the same.
They brought back rocks from the moon and found the same stuff they find in trees. They take apart a tree and find the same stuff they find in you.
I tell you this: We are all the same stuff. (I and the Father are One Energy)
We are the same energy, coalesced, compressed in different ways to create different forms and different matter.
Nothing "matters" in and of itself. That is, nothing can become matter all by itself. Jesus said, "Without the Father, I am nothing." The Father of all is pure thought. This is the energy of life. This is what you have chosen to call Absolute Love.
This is the God and the Goddess, the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. It is the All-in-All, the Unmoved Mover, the Prime Source. It is that which you have sought to understand from the beginning of time. The Great Mystery, the Endless Enigma, the Eternal Truth.
There is only One of Us, and so, it is THAT WHICH YOU ARE.
I'd love to meet someone from Shmearth
space is being constructed at every point in it
If space is truly infinite than it would be impossible that we are alone.
The intro blur is way too short
How come I always have to live in the universe where I never win the lottery?
When we say "Reality, all there is", size is meaningless. Where there is one, thus incomparability, dimensionlessness must be admitted. Relative size cannot be characteristic of all.
Max has a similar sounding accent to Christopher Lambert from Highlander.
He had me up until he mentioned superposition and light through a window. After that he sounded very unsure. You can't measure anything with quantum physics. You can only make highly sophisticated guesses and predictions.