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Just a quick bit of feedback for the videos especially meta watch could you add chapters so that people could click to the relevant parts of the video they are after? Thanks!
I posted a comment with the timestamps so hopefully that will help
Timestamps:
0:50 How "Actions" Work
1:50 Titanic Changes with Actions
2:25 Deployments
3:35 New Primary and Secondary Missions
4:45 Secret Missions
7:55 Mission Rules
10:05 What's Next? (Balance Dataslates)
11:50 Update on FAQs
Now that Tyranids scoring potential is drastically minimized i think its long overdue that we get some missing Strength. Heavy Vanom Cannon from the Hive Tyrant and Carnifexes should be be 11. And so should be big melee attacks from the Norn Amissary and Maleceptor just to name a few.
You want the units that skirt most armies' anti-chonk shooting (most of which specify anti-VEHICLE) to also hit like a truck? 🤣
@@thecanadianist2530 We pay 275 Points for the Norn and it is str 9. Tyranids are insanely weak.
@@thecanadianist2530 Tyranids aren't doing good right now, I don't understand why you think this is a bad idea
@@vyst8132 most people don't know what other armies are deficient in, probably just the "unga bunga bugs aren't vehicles" kneejerk reaction (source: it's the same reaction I have playing against my Nid playing friend)
Love that they added the ability for titanic to do things other than just stand around because they need to put down a banner or something. And no more spore mines doing bs in your deployment zone just because
Ye makes titans in general better
I’m glad too, although low the current tyranid ranking is kept artificially higher than it should be due to spore mines
Guys, don't forget about Deathwatch! It seems like we're becoming more and more estranged from all actions and all fun that other factions have. If you're talking about buffing and nerfing factions for balance, don't forget to tweak ALL factions, not the chosen one!
RIPper Swarms
And biovores. Buy raveners before they sell out nids players.
/Biovores 😒
Deathwatch? We are loyal to the long vigil, but we have been overlooked time and again. Please let us know if there is anything in the works at the very least!
Exciting. Maybe my Deathwatch will be fun to play.
Do they know that armidgers and wardogs are battleline?
Now that Tyranids can't rely on the Biovore for scoring anymore, we need something anything please. Our weapons are too weak to wound anything reliably unless we jump through so many hoops to force Battleshock AND have a Neurolictor nearby. And Emperor forbid they spend an ability to auto-pass battleshock or just have insane leadership.
I agree however they can't do insane bravery on shadow or other battleshock shenagains that nids offer since we don't proc battleshcok tests in the battleshock phase
You have enough gaunts and flyers
@@TheBluBrawler The Commissar suffers no cowardice
@@micahdouglas2982 no we don't, that's the problem.
@@micahdouglas2982 the issue is we can't advance and action now so that scoring potential is significantly reduced.
RIP Biovores, RIP Tyranids
Real
@@happy_ninja830 Hopefully they give us something good other than cheap Termagants. I m so sad, the Biovore was my favorite model.
@@Dewoy1 heh, after being convinced by my friends to come back because they said 40k was in such a great position and then seeing the Tyranid codex, I highly doubt they will give Tyranid players anything but a few mediocre point adjustments.
Rip my Nids. Time to follow Magnus.
If a 0 OC unit gains OC through an ability or stratagem, do they become eligible to do actions? For example kroot hounds if they're near a kroot character.
I'd say yes in that instance. RAW anyway
pretty sure they can because there are not any longer an OC 0 unit
pretty sure its only if they are oc 0 - would make sense with Battleshock - and also make the Dark Angels (Battleshock to OC 1 instead of 0) Detachment better :)
Atleast I hope so :D
Yes. As a death company player that's generally the point. If they're berserk how could they do anything? BUT if a chaplain is pulling the strings and focusing them they can. (Chaplains give DC OC)
@@holokom3330 I mean they said a battle shocked unit can’t do an action so even if it had OC1 it still can’t do an action
Please fix the Obeisance Phalanx in the Necron Codex! Give the named overlords and silent king the relevant keywords (overlord, triarch) so i can take my special dudes with my living metal!
that was really funny to me upon seeing the codex noticing that the silent king cant benefit from the detachment with his face on it
@@Orikan_The_Diviner its both hilarious and sad. I'd just love to run Imotekh and Trazyn in the 'overlord' detachment, but despite being overlords they dont have the keywords so list diversity is poor
You forgot the CCB
Please folks, it would be very helpful if you added chapters to your clips and also helpful to include some key images to summarise points
Auspex tactics style
The nids were already struggling, I hope this upcoming dataslate fixes us
Hold up. If this pack contains rules for Actions, including stricter rulings on who can and can't do them, and it's mentioned points will be adjusted to reflect that, doesn't that mean we should be using different MFMs for different mission packs? And doesn't that seem like a bad, messy idea?
Nice, hopeful of the new changes! As a Tyranids player, I hope there will be buffs to counter balance the lost of utility if the biovore :)
Buy raveners before they sell out. Biovores and swarms are dead.
I hope they drop the points on the biovores, so they can be used for their intended roll as artillery
@@Boskonovitch113 well... We've been serve in the most beautiful way!
So two weeks and Deathwatch is fixed?
Where are the win rates?
All i ask is that the contempter, deredeo, and leviathan can be used in 40k for both space marines and csm just like 9th ed
"400 piece unit" does that include the pouches and grenades that are optional extras on the sprue?
I’m sure he meant 400 point unit. Since most knights hover around the 400 points area.
@@internetartpaints3465 I got that, it's a joke
Hold the line Admech, changes are coming!
Change in technology is changing the perfect recipe. That's tek-heresy!
Praise the Omnissiah!
i mean, we now lost some of our power, we cant advance and do action to complete mission
Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.
I'm not falling for it again
Please bring back the original Bondsman ability for Big Knights! Many of them don't really work without access to their own buff =/
So true, now the big ones are only chosen for their weapons.
This is sad.
Really good move to bring the Balance Dataslate forward to coincide. Super sensible.
☠ Deathwatch ☠
Where are Nick & Stu? Are they safe? Are they alright?
5 of the 6 weakest armies have codexes. Im terrified for grey knights codex.
Would Dark Angels running Unforgiven Task Force still be able to do actions, as they drop to OC1 instead of 0 when battle shocked? Seems like a good way to buff a drastically underperforming detachment.
No, because they specified that you can't be battle shocked to be eligible to do them.
They are still classed as battle shocked. So no strats or actions unless they change it
I love the changes to Actions. OC 0 brainless swarms or spore mines setting up teleport homers was ridiculous, as was being allowed to do it just because you had one guy with a shotgun in the unit.
And I'm saying this as a CSM Renegade Raiders player, severly nerfed by both those changes. Keep it up!
Yeah, as a nid player myself that is unskilled and unhealthy but it's the only way we have to compete sometimes
How about some rules changes for Deathwatch too GW? Points changes will not be enough, our rules have been tanked with every balance update you have done this whole edition.
Well, Tyranids are screwed
Now im curious what you would do to replace the tyranids weakpoints, the way tyranids got ahead was to win secondaries and primaries, we cant fight other armnies in terms of killiness, please take a look at ways we can score and help out various anti tank units, or not! Give the biovore some more buffs in other areas, like a much higher damage on the mine explosion, its gotta be some give right?
The game is better when battleline is important, hell yeah. I like the changes to actions for assault and advance and pistols. More thematic. I always want anything that lends to lore and on table theme.
Oh good can't wait to hear about the next admech point drop. It's so sad not being able to field my entire 5k army. Lucky 10th has dropped my points so much I nearly can!
They just said they’re doing rules changes though?
can we just get these 2 doing the reveals? so much better having nerds just nerd out over a thing rather than watching a bunch of prerecorded youtube videos.
I really want to see Josh with a mohawk
Great, so rippers and spore mines, the hard carry for secondary scoring for Tyranids and arguably the only thing keeping us above 40 percent winrate, can no longer score.
Will have to rely on raveners and lictors now it seems
That’s probably better for the army overall, hopefully they can now make the rest of the roster more capable.
'Arguably' doing a lot of work in this comment.
I suspect that there’s going to be some OC changes coming in a couple weeks.
In the dataslate I just want them to finally update the Dark Angels to allow for Azrael and Lazarus to use the Company Heroes, so weird that they haven't since the edition started.
I'm surprised GW doesn't sell Battle Mats with the deployments marked on them like other people make. The margin on them would be good if having them printed in bulk and they have sooo mant themes they could use. Means they could also make some more interesting deployment layouts without having to worry about then being difficult to measure. I have a Leviathan marked Battle Matt and it's SO nice. Even just for simple things like being able to see where table quarters are easily at all times.
Interesting to introduce stepped deployments if the main issue people had with diagonal deployment is that it's a hassle/hard to measure. Marked mats would help with that. But I guess it's another thing people would need to buy.
Can we get another update for Darktide 😊
Let's hope GW is locking us - non compliant chapters to our own detachments in the upcoming dataslate, so the whole game balance become easier
Good job, Josh!
NIce! looking forward to it.
Bringing actions back out of nowhere is going to be a pain. Doubt they clarified every edge case
They had actions before, its just that they weren't called actions so it was actually more confusing at times
Bringing back actions as a defined rules concept IS clarifying edge cases.
Wasn't Harry Kane supposed to be training for the UEFA cup?
Does this mean that Custodes, Renegade Raiders and anything in Firestorm Assault Force won't be able to advance and do actions now?
Unless the mission gives it to their battleline units, and you use them for that, no
@@MrHoneumathat sound very punishing for armies that can't afford to run battleline units. In custodes you run one unit of guard and you only take them because Inquisitor Draxus.
@@piotrjeske4599 correct. They're trying to force armies to need to take battleline in order to do objectives properly, and it is going to benefit some armies while greatly hurting others. My current main army is World Eaters, and while I have good battleline in the Berzerkers, I can't afford for them to be sitting back to do objectives. My DG lists typically only run 1 squad of plague marines and poxwalkers lost battleline, so that will have to be changed. I'm concerned that the changes are going to benefit things like Orks and Grey Knights too much when they're already powerful.
So now you do use them :)
Very good and informative video. Looking forward to new missions and especcially the new FAQs that you plan to update regulary based of players questions.
Thoug, this may be a futile task. It would be much better to accumulutate question from several major TOs. Otherwise, you will be flooded with an awalanche of questions with hidden complaints inside.
Stormlance working on Jump Pack units in addition to Mounted ones would be really cool of you.
Then it wouldn't be the bike-themed detachment, wouldn't it? :P
@@carolineturingds it would be the fast attack and lighting assaults detachment and would open up options for people who aren't Blood Angels to run Jump Packs
I just want to know when my drukhari codex is dropping and I really hope they give us a refresh on alot of our models
The numbers seem so odd in some cases and why are marines agregated? White Scars or Raven Guard do not have the win rates of Ultramarines or Black Templar. Also can you rewrite the custodes codex?
RIP Biovores
it does sound promising, good job so far, lads.
It'd be for the best to add subs to this kind of videos.
Turn on 'cc' in the right hand corner.
Tyranids should have some stats on weapons increased or abilities that help with that. Maybe also add another buff to Shadow in the Warp or Synapse to get additional benefits besides Leadership and Battleshock? Also Battleshock should be a bit more impactful, maybe lingering for more then one turn?
When will the balance data slate drop now?
July, like they've said 3 videos in a row.
Never. They have decided to just drop everyone's points by 50%. So you can field most of your collection.
As I understood once the new mission pack releases….probably next week or 2 weeks in forward
Junly or Julne. Before WTC lists need to be in, probably the day before.
@popsiclemoon they said in this video they are moving it up with the new mission pack
Nids need to either go up a Strength almost codex wide, or basically every monster in the entire codex needs like go down like 10-20 points, some 30, which isn’t going to happen 😂 going to be a rough few months lol
A lot of people were saying these new missions were gonna be bad and ruin the game but they seem pretty cool. As a guard player I love throwing infantry at my enemy but now they can do other things besides dying? Thats great
No Chilling Rain is wild!!
This was great😁
RIP tyranids
It sounds like 0 oc units basically just can't do mission actions.
Awesome, excited for the changes. Should I invest in Carnis Rex to do actions for me now? :)
Nurgle Bless Our Constitution In The Kindest Of Ways, Chat
No mention about falling back and doing actions, I wonder if it just isn't as common as the others or if units that can fall back and shoot will still be able to do actions.
Very excited for sisters codex
Too bad that Battle shock is not as decisive as it should be
This is a big issue. It can definitely swing things sometimes, but it usually doesn't make as much of an impact as the devs seem to think it will.
Well nurglings just got smashed with 0 oc
Where was the bit about winrates doe 😂❤
I assume there will actually be more than 5 deployments now?
Wow didn't think GW could make Custodes any worst and here i stand with assault guardian spear in hand wondering what in emperors name did they do too deserve it
Wow chaos knight and imperial knight looking good
I’m holding breath, catastrophe could be just behind the corner xD
Rules available next week?
can you guys fix CYNOSURE OF ERADICATION for necrons? before it was super busted but now its worthless except for like doom stalkers and Maybe scarabs but even then its not worth the 2 cp
Please make dark angel detachments & unique unnits playable (other than Azrael).
Would be nice if we could get a phobos battleline unit for sm
A bit annoying that Custodes only have 1 Battleline unit and we've got to spend 225 for them too, so not like we can afford to even take many. These actions rules are potentially going to be horrendous for us, being forced to just sit there doing an action with a 250++ unit (non battleline units)
Good thing prosecutors are battleline! Ow wait...they lost it 🤣. Honestly custodes are on the shelf for me. They have never felt so boring to play 😅
So did you intend to completely nerf what few things Tyranids do well into the ground ?
If they compensate by buffing the killing power of tyranids, or something like that then i dont see the issue. Having one of tyranids strengths be scoring secondaries well doesnt seem fun or flavourful imo. Of course, thats a big if. If nids are unchanged then i dont see them performing well.
So would you consider this the new season of 40k?
What is the FAQ inbox/email?
Here you go: 40kFAQ@gwplc.com
sell a codex, 1 week after codex, everything isnt updated anymore....
Any chance for a Warhammer Underworlds meta watch?
Obviously this will be answered in the pack most probably, but removing pistols can do actions. Does this not block certain lists such as World Eaters that predominantly units only have pistols?
It's only when they are in combat, pistols can still do actions but not when they are in combat, in line with other units
Admech Update so they are playable??
I just bought 3 boxes of nurglings so I'll take the blame for OC-0 units not being able to do actions any more :(
Well they will join shotgun dudes in scout units. 6th wardens and 6th-10th custodes guard, biovores etc.
I have a personally rule if something looks so good I want to buy 3 I don’t haha because it’s a really good sign it will get nerfed if I’m that pulled to buy it haha
Please make dire avengers battleline 🙏
RIP nids and factions that rely on nurglings for secondaries.
Yeah, expecting to have to shelve my Chaos Knights and Death Guard, looks like I'll be just playing World Eaters until I get my Thousand Sons up and running.
ck?
Yeah faq answering!
"All things catch up" sounds like the company motto when you sell codexes based on rules relevant months ago lol
Joking aside, I'm interested to see what you blokes have to say.
So is there any actual reason to use battleline now? Or are they just new abilities on guys made of tissue paper that die to a light breeze?
Abilities on dead guys is the same as OC on dead guys. Not at all useful.
And Deathwatch.....
So people with amazing battlelines units will have a field and those with trash units will just have to be content with being forced to take bad units.. lovely
Unless of course the dataslste that’s going to release alongside this will improve those battle line units. Long shot but crazier things have happened.
It's really no different to now, when people with amazing vehicles and elite infantry are having a field (day), and those with trash units just have to be content with being forced to take bad units.
I for one welcome the pot-stirring shakeup. If different factions drift to the top or bottom than before for a year, why would that be bad, in the grand scheme of things? Or rather, worse than the same few factions being at the top/bottom for three years straight?
Brother, they are mission rules. That means you can just play without mission rules and you’ll be fine
Really like Josh’s style of sharing detail and design insights - especially as it tends to start with principles and also references player feedback. Such joy to listen to this metawatch - well done!
Any news on release dates?
Keep your eyes on Warhammer Community for all future announcements. Thanks!
So for the crisis suit is there any specific reason you locked both weapons options on each datasheet to a choice between 2 weapons? I think the suits would really benefit from having one of the weapons slot be more open. For example if I build a fireknife instead of the normal double missle, double plasma or one of each, I can take Plasma and flamer or missile and burst canon. Basically limit one of the choices to missile pod or Plasma Canon and open up the second choice to any weapon shared with the other datasheets. The reason for me wanting to see this change is so that I can build a legal Farsight Enclaves the Eight list.
Deathwatch 😢
Wait, there is a FAQ inbox? What is the address? Has this always been a thing?
Yes, there is one for all our major game systems. The one you want is: 40kFAQ@gwplc.com The rest can be found here: www.warhammer.com/contact-us
Pls, Bondsman back to big knights!, Chaos Knights help to army rules and the horrible state of the Abominant :(
Bit strange to me that they kept the diagonal mission because it was popular, but removed Chilling Rain because it was the most popular? 🙃
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Heck yeah man, I love my OC0 units being more useless than they already were