Orthodox Christians still do this. Go to an Orthodox monastery, where they gather before dawn and at the break of dawn they chant a Doxology. The early Christians observed prayer throughout the day, as the Jews did, based on times of sunset/sunrise. Again, something that is still done by the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church.
So do the Anglicans and thoughts that use a form of the Book of Common Prayer. Morning Compline, Mid Day Compline , and Evening Compline. The Orthodox Christians and Eastern Catholics I must say thought seems to focus strong on that mystery of God. Just my opinion. I love learning as much as I can on these subjects.
Jesus worshiped on the 7th day sabbath as do the apostles well after the resurrection as this guy said one pagan telling another the fist day is now somehow a holy day ?
👍 if you seek a service like the ancient Church go to Catholic latin mass or an Orthodox mass. There you will see many similarities and the teaching of the early Church lived out until Christ returns. A Catholic friend (convert from Pentecostalism) 📿🥰
At the very end, it says "it is their custom to bind themselves with an oath" (that is implied to be in each service) That's the Creed! Whatever the early church was reciting as a Creed... In my mind that's certainly what that must have referred to. And, once again, we still do that today ♥
A Catholic Mass is true worship as our Lord JesusChrist instituted on Holy Thursday when He transformed the Old Covenant liturgy of the Seder Passover into the New Covenant in His Blood by commanding us to”Do this in Memory of Me.” Vivat Christus Rex! Long Live Christ the King! Viva Cristo Rey!
@Dakota Bledsoe sez "But...David did ...so I mean" ...so what??? I answer... .David wasn't part of the early Church...he represents a very primitive form of Judaism- a form now completely extinct...it also included Priests, incense , animal sacrifice, washings, etc. etc. ...by the time of Jesus Synagogue canters had entirely abandoned musical instruments...and their descendants Orthodox synagogues are still acapella to this day...
A Catholic Mass is true worship as our Lord JesusChrist instituted on Holy Thursday when He transformed the Old Covenant liturgy of the Seder Passover into the New Covenant in His Blood by commanding us to”Do this in Memory of Me.” Vivat Christus Rex! Long Live Christ the King! Viva Cristo Rey!
To assemble on the evening of the first day would be a Saturday night. God gave them there days evening to evening. Paul spent all day Sunday traveling! The lords day is the sabbath. You can see this when Jesus himself said he was the lord of the sabbath.
@@jrome198679 Your point? Sunday service is not required-Orthodox churches often have liturgy on several days a week. It’s a practical matter because we live in a practical world. Liturgy and Savbath are not required to be same day.
Jesus put an end to religion and the temple, the alter sacrafice and the priesthood and redefined these roles. The temple is the believer who has been cleansed by the sacrafice of Jesus. Now that we are clean God the Holy Spirit can reside in us. We present our bodies as living sacrafices to God. We are a Royal Pristhood and a Holy nation. Jesus is a King and he brought a Kingdom The first Christians were Jews who originally went to the temple to assemble later it was in homes. The building does not matter. The day does not matter it does not prescribe a day in the Bible nor even if they did meet on the first day this is not a prescriptive practice. As far as assembling the gathering is far less hierarchical. People participated people brought hymns, scripture, letters from. Apostles, teaching was done by more than one person prayers were offered up. Healing , words of knowledge and prophesy were regulated. There was a meal and also the Lord's supper was practiced. A lot of nonsense eventually got infiltrated into early Christianity. A return to religion happened similar to Judaism, or any of the other cultic pagan religions. The early Father's were not always correct some pushed the magical eucharistic idea of the body and blood being actual. Also a continuation of Jesus dying on the cross. Rather than he died once and for all.
An enormous difference between the early church and the modern day church is that back then the Church was the only voice in worship. Such is no longer the case. A strange animal called "the worship team" has taken over and the voice of the Church has been all but obliterated. In fact this modern format teaches the children of God precisely- not to sing. Too bad. How sad. 😢
Fortunately, this isn’t the case at every congregation. Many they have a “worship team” or “praise team” serve to lead the congregation in song, not to replace them.
Or, continuing to avoid the vague word “ancient”, you can go further back, past orthodox to the New Testament, where the gatherings are well described/prescribed, with no indication that anything else is to be added by any “fathers” or any other person or authority later.
@@4StonesHandcraft “the church” is eternal. The ecclesiastical ministry of Christianity began at Pentecost. Orthodox Church did not name itself-it was given that name because they (we) refused to “modernize” and stray from His teachings.
Comparing Paul’s clear teaching regarding the gathering/assembly (ekklesia), including the replacing of worship (proskuneo) with mutual edification through the gifts, with current “orthodoxy”, you don’t find a difference?
Not only, even frommthe Bible we see that the apostles were used to gather in the temple and do prayers chants and "breaking of the bread" another name for the Eucharist
What? Rituals arenr pagan. Waving your hand at someone is also a ritual. Are we all pagan now? Doimg the cross sign is a ritual and thats definitely not pagan cause it was taught by early Christians. Some people also say that St. Paul invented it
The early Christians would reject the Latin church has become. People supremacy, the Philly Oakway, unleavened bread, etc. the only church that stay true to the early church is the orthodox church.
Orthodox Christians still do this. Go to an Orthodox monastery, where they gather before dawn and at the break of dawn they chant a Doxology. The early Christians observed prayer throughout the day, as the Jews did, based on times of sunset/sunrise. Again, something that is still done by the Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church.
So do the Anglicans and thoughts that use a form of the Book of Common Prayer. Morning Compline, Mid Day Compline , and Evening Compline. The Orthodox Christians and Eastern Catholics I must say thought seems to focus strong on that mystery of God. Just my opinion. I love learning as much as I can on these subjects.
So why do evangelicals so dislike and fear liturgy?
Jesus worshiped on the 7th day sabbath as do the apostles well after the resurrection as this guy said one pagan telling another the fist day is now somehow a holy day ?
👍 if you seek a service like the ancient Church go to Catholic latin mass or an Orthodox mass. There you will see many similarities and the teaching of the early Church lived out until Christ returns. A Catholic friend (convert from Pentecostalism) 📿🥰
At the very end, it says "it is their custom to bind themselves with an oath" (that is implied to be in each service)
That's the Creed! Whatever the early church was reciting as a Creed... In my mind that's certainly what that must have referred to.
And, once again, we still do that today ♥
Why only the Latin mass. Each mass, better Eucharist, is authentic Christian worship.
A Catholic Mass is true worship as our Lord JesusChrist instituted on Holy Thursday when He transformed the Old Covenant liturgy of the Seder Passover into the New Covenant in His Blood by commanding us to”Do this in Memory of Me.”
Vivat Christus Rex!
Long Live Christ the King!
Viva Cristo Rey!
...so they sang, chanted or uttered...but without musical accompaniment...Acapella= the matter of the chapel
@Dakota Bledsoe sez "But...David did ...so I mean"
...so what??? I answer...
.David wasn't part of the early Church...he represents a very primitive form of Judaism- a form now completely extinct...it also included Priests, incense , animal sacrifice, washings, etc. etc. ...by the time of Jesus Synagogue canters had entirely abandoned musical instruments...and their descendants Orthodox synagogues are still acapella to this day...
It's called Gregorian chant .
A Catholic Mass is true worship as our Lord JesusChrist instituted on Holy Thursday when He transformed the Old Covenant liturgy of the Seder Passover into the New Covenant in His Blood by commanding us to”Do this in Memory of Me.”
Vivat Christus Rex!
Long Live Christ the King!
Viva Cristo Rey!
But are they doing it ALL for edification as taught in the NT, which never mentions worship in the gatherings?
Before daylight on the first day of the week is still Saturday, the sabath. The Jewish Sabath goes from dusk to dawn.
To assemble on the evening of the first day would be a Saturday night. God gave them there days evening to evening. Paul spent all day Sunday traveling! The lords day is the sabbath. You can see this when Jesus himself said he was the lord of the sabbath.
@@jrome198679 Your point? Sunday service is not required-Orthodox churches often have liturgy on several days a week. It’s a practical matter because we live in a practical world. Liturgy and Savbath are not required to be same day.
in your scholarship have you found any hymns to Mary?. I understand she was called the Arc of the covenant.
Protestantism would have been completely alien to early Christians.
And Roman Catholicism
@@micahwatz1148 Early Christianity focused on the Mass.
@TheRealKingBishop The word Mass is from Latin, meaning "You're dismissed" - as in, this glimpse of Heaven is now concluded.
They surely didn’t worship Mary.
@gerardpatti Catholics do not worship Mary, and Protestants do not worship God. Worship is via the Mass.
Jesus put an end to religion and the temple, the alter sacrafice and the priesthood and redefined these roles.
The temple is the believer who has been cleansed by the sacrafice of Jesus. Now that we are clean God the Holy Spirit can reside in us.
We present our bodies as living sacrafices to God.
We are a Royal Pristhood and a Holy nation.
Jesus is a King and he brought a Kingdom
The first Christians were Jews who originally went to the temple to assemble later it was in homes.
The building does not matter.
The day does not matter it does not prescribe a day in the Bible nor even if they did meet on the first day this is not a prescriptive practice.
As far as assembling the gathering is far less hierarchical.
People participated people brought hymns, scripture, letters from. Apostles, teaching was done by more than one person prayers were offered up.
Healing , words of knowledge and prophesy were regulated. There was a meal and also the Lord's supper was practiced.
A lot of nonsense eventually got infiltrated into early Christianity.
A return to religion happened similar to Judaism, or any of the other cultic pagan religions.
The early Father's were not always correct some pushed the magical eucharistic idea of the body and blood being actual. Also a continuation of Jesus dying on the cross. Rather than he died once and for all.
True, and thank you for not calling it all “worship”, which is never mentioned in the NT regarding the gatherings, but rather all for edification.
An enormous difference between the early church and the modern day church is that back then the Church was the only voice in worship. Such is no longer the case. A strange animal called "the worship team" has taken over and the voice of the Church has been all but obliterated. In fact this modern format teaches the children of God precisely- not to sing. Too bad. How sad. 😢
Fortunately, this isn’t the case at every congregation. Many they have a “worship team” or “praise team” serve to lead the congregation in song, not to replace them.
The Jewish Christians met after Sabbath .on the first day of the week .but they kept the Sabbath holy .
It's still holy, in fact if you go vespers of Saturday you're considered to have accomplished the "keep the Sabbath/Sunday holy"
Instead of using the word ancient… You could just use the word orthodox. Nothings changed for us.
Or, continuing to avoid the vague word “ancient”, you can go further back, past orthodox to the New Testament, where the gatherings are well described/prescribed, with no indication that anything else is to be added by any “fathers” or any other person or authority later.
@@4StonesHandcraft who do you think compiled (canonized) the NT? (Those same Orthodox Fathers)
Or, as already stated, you could go back further…..to what the authors said.
@@4StonesHandcraft “the church” is eternal. The ecclesiastical ministry of Christianity began at Pentecost. Orthodox Church did not name itself-it was given that name because they (we) refused to “modernize” and stray from His teachings.
Comparing Paul’s clear teaching regarding the gathering/assembly (ekklesia), including the replacing of worship (proskuneo) with mutual edification through the gifts, with current “orthodoxy”, you don’t find a difference?
Perhaps they met before daylight to avoid persecution?
Not only, even frommthe Bible we see that the apostles were used to gather in the temple and do prayers chants and "breaking of the bread" another name for the Eucharist
Uk wat.. For the jewish early calender, their first day of the week was from evening sunset
Early Christians met Saturdays evening because they were scared of the Temple. Still today the Sunday masses start Saturday evening.
There is no ritual to having a relationship with Jesus, if you have a ritual your pagan
What? Rituals arenr pagan. Waving your hand at someone is also a ritual. Are we all pagan now? Doimg the cross sign is a ritual and thats definitely not pagan cause it was taught by early Christians. Some people also say that St. Paul invented it
@@kennethschauer1801 Do you wash your hands after you poo? Pagan!!! Every repeated behavior is “ritual”. Duh
What this all means....Roman Catholics, practicing Roman Catholicism....shock!!! lol.....
The early Christians would reject the Latin church has become. People supremacy, the Philly Oakway, unleavened bread, etc. the only church that stay true to the early church is the orthodox church.