IEC entitled to approach ConCourt on Zuma matter - Zola Majavu
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- Опубліковано 3 чер 2024
- The IEC has lodged an appeal with the Constitutional Court over the electoral court's ruling which allows former president Jacob Zuma to contest the 29 May elections. Earlier this week, the electoral court set aside the commission's decision to disqualify Zuma from taking part in the upcoming polls.
Legal analyst Zola Majavu weighs in.
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Yes boycoting iec solution kusobala ukuthi namanye amaqembu ayarojwa yi iec ichema neqembu elilodwa
I really enjoy analysis from this man,the legend himself Zola Majavu
You enjoy lies😂😂😂
He’s emotional 😂😂.
@@isintu1044which lies, Constitutional court is the last abitor in matters of law where is the lie there ?
Mr Zola Majavu is 100 percent right. The IEC must get ConCourt’s understanding of the Order. For instance the definition of ‘remission’. That is “Remission of sentence is the reduction of the term of a prison sentence…the order of conviction and…sentence remains unchanged…”.
you cannot separate sentenced to serve in prison and sentenced by court if one is sentenced to death and get remission it mean the death sentenced is being reversed because that person will actually end up not being killed,,my understanding
Zondo messed up by going straight to concourt bypassing lower court denying Zuma chance to appeal now people want Zuma, let Zuma enemies get out of the way to a best life
You're very right that if Ramaphosas' stoedgey Zondo could have done things the right way Zuma couldn't even have won the case in the first place. Now the IECs impartiality and independence is to be questioned.
Would that have changed the outcome of that case?
jsc must hold them to account it clear they chose their way out of constitution
@todaylarry5312 YES THERE HAVE BEEN MANY MANY COMMISSIONS OF INQUIRIES BEFORE STARTING WITH TRUTH AND RECONCILIATION COMMISSION MANY MANY INDIVIDUALS ESPACIALLY FROM THE NATIONAL PARTY AND APARTHIED GOVERNMENT REFUSED TO ATTEND A SINGLE SESSION OF TRC HEARINGS YET NON WAS EVER ARRESTED AND IMPRISONED FOR DOING SUCH,WHY MR ZUMA WHY HIM WHILST OTHERS NOTHING HAPPEND TO THEM
@@modisemakokwe4256 Zuma was part of that TRC. Why didn't he arrest those National Party members who refused to appear before it.
"are they conflicted? Maybe they are but where else can this matter be resolved?" and with this justice breathed his final breath...
Let's lower tempers down SA. Everything will be resolved.
If Mr Zuma can appeal appeal appeal why can't the IEC do the same Zuma taking the courts for a joke
My sentiment also
Appeal without reasons is what is strange about this appeal
Wema MK Amahle Don't you think boycotting IEC can be the solution??
Let them expose each further and the chief justice with his colleagues there are all conflicted , it's all coming back to them , all the rush decision Zondo did just to punish Mr Zuma are coming back to expose Him
These issues are beyond Zuma, and have to be legally ventilated to safeguard the constitution
@@Mulilo24there's no legal ground to support your claim. Your view is biased. The courts are there to attend to legal disputes - take MK Party and Zuma out of the process itself for a moment and consider the implications of a wrong interpretation of law. These matters have to clarified no matter who is wrong or write, if MK Party succeeds or lose then the matter will be settled and clarity obtained. Don't mix political views with law.
We must participate in this election. They don't want MK in the elections. Let's go and vote MK. They won't stop this until Zuma and MK are of the picture
@phumlamazibuko3003 you're just horny wena, otherwise you can boycott it by not participating 🤣🤣🤣
Adv Majavu said that "we are in this mess because of ConCourt..."
They must fix it
5 judges in IEC court decided on the matter and the legal analysis claim that these judges are wrong 😮😮😮😮😮😮
IEC is now an extension of ANC,
Not correct. Is independent
Apartheid National Congress!
IEC is ANC
@@benetmolefe6543 No,leader of MK is a Rebel from ANC.
Follow the law forget about politics knowledge is power educate your self please. You lack knowledge big dumb very dumb of you
Straight to Zondo, a man while is behind Zuma’s arrest. HE SHOULD RECUSE HIMSELF 😂
Zola majavu on point
I would have been so pleased if Mr Majavu have given us the grounds on wich this matter should be the matter deserving appeal, agency andy it should be regarded as matter in the public inerest. I think what is in the public interest is why is it the IEC that is so adamant that the order is not the correct order.
It's not about individual feelings here. It's the legal process for that matter
It is absurd to suggest that this matter of Zuma is of public interest. Only 22 objections out of a population of 60 million? Ja Neh?
That is the dumbest ish anyone could say
How could you be this dumb though...
This is the most path*tic comment thus far. Yes, if you're referring to 22 objections as being the decision of judges, then you're correct. Their ruling represents a majority's concurrence. If 60 million is us the population, then you're stating that we should all be judges, and that can only be possible on the 29th of May 2024. In essence, you contradict yourself, but further asserting that Zuma should be on the ballot paper 🗳 📃
You are so dom. even one objection warranties the IEC to investigate and act. You should have stayed at school
Well said gentleman.
Constitution court is mess for south African justice system.. But this case will expose honorable chief justice zondo
Why they dont ask the Electoral court to expedite the reasons. How can the Apex court pronounced on a matter that is not finished in the electoral court. The reality is they hope someone there a friend will try something. This is a character of a corrupt people. God save SA.
Legally not morality.. it not their place
I'm assuming the Elections Court is at the high court level, so I understand skipping the high court for the appeal, but why skip the Appeals Court?
Exactly the reason why he does not get high profile cases! Anyway those are the same judges who sentenced Zuma without a trial. They all should recuse themselves from this case. Otherwise the pressure they will be under if they decide to sit on this matter, they will have no choice but to rule in favor of Zuma, if not the Concourt will lose its credibility
IEC is becoming suspicious. Is it really independent?
No. The IEC is not independent. They want Zuma out at all costs.
They are not independent...these ones might announce wrong results just like in Zimbabwe case with ZANU PF ...SOUTH AFRICA might be in really hot water with this so called liberation party politics
@@L_L350 IEC has a right to appeal
It was never independent
2014 elections, we're they independent??
Rest Brother Rest.
The "Zuma Laws" are coming back to bite them
There's a difference between being entitled to act, and whether it's a good decision to act. Why not give the Concourt the benefit of the judgment of the lower court in application for leave?
Ongoing legal drama is free publicity for MK. They love it.
I remember Adv Mannya did not agree with Mr Tselane, and guess what happened? Tselane was vindicated.........
Majavu is a clowning advocate, Terry is a very knowledgeable fellow on electoral matters. The electoral court has not presented its actial findings why then jump to const-court
How old is Terry?
Terry at one stage worked for IEC. He was shown the door precisely because of being a factory fault. Factory fault, it can't be repaired. It belongs to the dustbin of shame. He went to SABC sweating,he wanted to be interviewed so that he can misled the country.
He is biased, and don't forget that zola is african national Congress combrade
The problem in South Africa the courts developed Zuma laws. One of them was jail without trial
In short, IEC is entitled to be a referee and a player!!! Ay!
Newsroom Africa very biased and well known
CR17 people, everything is political, no one is independent & impartial.
But that's an SABC slogan, why bring it here, by the way everyone invited in any platform is to bring their their own views as legal or political experts @syabongsmfeka6720
@@thembanimgenu190 what is the SABC slogan? yes everyone comes with their views based on who they support which is a waste of time.
That's how appeal works, one appeal to the same court even the same judge
This newsroom and their so called legal or political experts mxm!
So IEC goes to Concourt before even seeing and reading the judgement of electoral court. I think the IEC is panicking.
what are you really saying ?
It seems the SA concourt assumes functions of a lower court and apex court at the same time which may cloud its decision making
With or without Zuma on ballot let us go in numbers and vote for MK Party on the 29th May with 2/3 majority we will bring him in to finish his business and free the child from oppression viva mkparty viva Msholozi
Viva MK viva JZ💪
Ngamandla kamoya ongcwele sizonqoba
Tanki Ntate Zola Majavu
JZ is protected by section 19, 47(1)e, 106 and chapter 4 of parliament decision.
IEC political party
You got it spot on
IEC is very correct this needs clarity
Supporting you 100%
Why are they challenging a judgement they have not seen yet? Why not wait for the judgement and challenge the reasons in the judgement? The ConCourt should throw the matter out on the grounds of lack of urgency first because there's no judgement yet. This rush is undermining the Electoral Court judges.
Shouldn't IEC wait for the electoral court to publish the reasons of their decision. Majavu obviously has an anti-Zuma bias.
Well articulated mr
Why the obsession with Zuma? Why go to lengths and meddle in South African politics. This smells a rotten rat..
Seeing this matter at Concourt is right and relevant
An ANC supporter and view. Of course u know there's captured Zondo
Zondo is conflicted
Zondo doesn't make judgments unilaterally
@@BenjaminMalatji247 , I won't say too much, you will hear it from Mr Advocate Mpofu
@@Mulilo24 now you are pulling in the right direction. Let it play out in the Concourt, let Mpofu have his moment and win if he has to, but let's not shoot down the right of the IEC to appeal.
@@BenjaminMalatji247 11 judges at that court. If 6 or more of them rule against Zuma, why would you scold Zondo??
@@user-ww5qw8jd3b read properly, I was responding to the statement made to say Zondo is conflicted. My answer is conflicted or not, the decision doesn't rest on him alone
😂They must give up
Good day,
How many years in your country? How many friends(sa) do we have?
Thank you.
This mess is by design and guess who is to be blamed: Ramaphosa, Zondo and the IEC. Emotional court decisions shall always place a challenge in our judicial system.
get your head checked
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This Zola Majavu is long captured
Leave Zondo alone, Zuma should be enjoying his retirement at home
Fair comments from the Adv.
Mr Majavu " once bitten twice shy" I remember at one stage you complaining about you being sidelined by gov. That dry spell really taught a lesson, you know now which side to choose every time neh.
Section 47 speaks to the sentence imposed not served therefore the appeal is in order
Mr Majavu is correct.
Partly
Thank God will c if his gonna face u zondo.bendisazi ukuba ngeke I anc imyeke nje never
Concourt really needs to zoom into the matter - it needs a microscopic lens to avoid setting wrong precedence...
An ANC sponsored legal Analyst,
I think IEC's duty is to screen every candidate..so if something they detect something..its within their rights to appeal everything
But the IEC are not the ones who raised objection on Zuma .It was raised by someone not the IEC.
This is totally nonsense, everyone against Zuma, appeal to the same who sent Zuma to jail without trial, who is fooling who here, but we learn from that, on how a blacks who has power to other black fellow, we know Zondo will favour IEC where can supposed to appeal that outcome, South Africans everything its on our hands now, let's free our country from hooligans , we have power
What about its impartiality .
I'm happy IEC is appealing this case,law is law Zuma is not entitled to stand in for a ballot
Relax. Your tricks are not going to succeed
So the electoral court is not law 🤔 and it's made it's decision
Zuma will be your president whether you like it or not
you lack understanding shame
Shame on you
LoBaba made sense in terms of law... Constitutional court fucked up
welele 🤣🤣🤣 analysts and so called experts just a waste of time all these people are biased and emotional they get so much airtime for no reason many of them get it wrong, all what you can get from them is just their opinions that are based on who they support, everything is political full stop.
Your wisdom would be outstanding if you applied the principles of the law. Biased in your view/opinion is not a universal standpoint. We have courts for a reason and if you are familiar with the law you would know their purpose. It's important not to allow personal frustration to shade the principles of the law, where provisions are available every entity has the right to exercise and enjoy their legal rights
@@BenjaminMalatji247 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Roman Dutch Law? niphila kabuhlungu kodwa madoda nibadala, familiar with the law? made by a bunch fellas and you make it as if this so called law of urs is the best thing that has ever happened under the sun. This thing is just a game to control people just like religion no need to get very excited about it.
@@BenjaminMalatji247you are saying all that because you biased and emotional too
@@mdumisenihlophe4001 thanks for the diagnosis 🤣🤣🤦🏾♂️ but you're wrong. Nothing could make me emotional about this!
Pretty much.
Question is didn’t the PMB court issue an order and say it will provide reasons at the end of the arms deal trial???
So the labour court issue an order and say they will issue reasons not after the election then IEC runs to con court for clarity, sounds like they’re saying con court compel that court not to issue reason anymore but ruling on this matter 🤣😂🤣😂 Roman Dutch law
Con court for what now ? This is not personal but a correction
Correction of what?
Kanti nizodela...
Vuyo mvoko his old now his even struggling to read
One of the lawyers that doesn't serve public interests......
PSL prosecutor talking ill
Are you attorney at law?
Zola is in pains for Anc
Amaqembu amanye athulakanjani ma IEC ebonisa ukuchema wona yamthembani IEC nawo awalimele iqiniso
Anything with Zuma is always in Court... SA...
Hahaha, Adv Majavu sees Concourt as trouble. But, he still believes in concourt simply because of hierachy.........
This Zola is just a fool. He's speaking his wishes.
Ivele Yavakala le Interpretation section 47 (1) e ukuba yeyase Nkandla 😂😂😂
The section in question here is the application of section 47(1) - the Exceptions start from a to e. That's how everyone must read it. They just give MKP more airtime.
I think the remark of Zola Majavu on the matter relating to Zuma 's eligibility to stand for election is well balanced. To me his mentioning that this matter has reached this predicament because the Concourt acted as an arbitor in the matter than needed to be ventilated in an ordinary court of law initially. As it is known the judgement to sentence Zuma was given by the Concourt instead of it being given at a lower court where Zuma would have had an option for a fine. This never happened but according Zola Majavu the Concourt remains a final arbitor in this matter.
Bebecinguba baqhashile besenipakisha I bag yam ndihamba e satafrika
I don't want to speculate on the motives of the IEC, especially since they have not had the benefit of the Electoral Court's ruling, other than that they were not allowed to exclude Zuma.
From a purely legal standpoint, I would like to know who has the authority to decide whether a person is seated in the National Assembly and under what provision of the Constitution. The Constitution merely states that a person is not eligible under certain conditions but not who is responsible for enforcing that. Tselane's viewpoint needs to be tested and is not the law as it currently stands.
Who then takes responsibility for eligibility checks, if not the IEC? Must the National Assembly conduct eligibility checks after the election? No other court can make a final ruling on the constitutionality of any matter. Only the Constitutional Court has the final say on all constitutional matters. That is the law.
But I agree that the IEC should have waited for the Electoral Court's decision before approaching the CC to see if the Electoral Court provided a constitutional basis for its ruling or whether it was based on Zuma's conviction for which he received a pardon or remission, and then appeal, if necessary. Right now, it is seen as a clumsy handling and creates suspicions of impartiality.
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There can't different interpretations to the law. Majavu is wrong
Are you attorney at law?
@@tsekomofokeng182 Yes I am
@@patmdoda9567 Mr Majavu will offer you free articles. Having completed,will be best attorney,for now you lack legal skills
@@patmdoda9567 Approach Mr Majavu will give you free articles. Having completed you will best attorney. For now you lack legal skills
Let it be tested in the court
If Ramaphosa think that he is going to block Zuma in ballot paper he must bare in mind that people won't change and vote for ANC instead he makes matters worse for ANC
How did Ramza enter on this instead 😂😂
Either way, ANC loses something....
They need zulu science
Mr Majavu akanaaiduko nah kutheni singasetyenziswa ke, kambe by black jornours?
IEC is an ANC alliance?
No
Majavu totally missed it? St
This ill-advise is from the people like Zola.
Zuma is advised by Hobos surrounding him.
@@tsekomofokeng182 Don't you think even the 5 judges are hobos? Only.....who is a good advicer.
People want zuma only the powerful dont want him im not surprised they know what they will lose if zuma won but i believe in the saying YOU CAN'T BRING A GOOD MAN DOWN
liar
Banana republic
Tutuse ntlokwan' ibanzana. Kubo
We have been listening to this garbage from these so-called analysts prior to the case of MK in the High Court but they all got it wrong.
And let's let them be wrong again then 🤣🤣🤣
Lawbreakers should not be lawmakers. Zuma is a liability. Cannot be trusted in running the affairs of this country after expising himself of being corrupt and lack of ideas and values
I failed to understand this. Who is the IEC appealing against? Zuma or Electoral Court decision. Secondly what reasons or reason for the appeal. As far as I understand the Electoral Court has not furnished anyone with the reason. Thirdly, Zondo has just said these trivial matters should not been brought before the Apex Court, why accepting this circus of IEC and EC to waist tax payers' money? Is it coz of Zuma?
the chapter in question has to be interpreted by a Apex court because it involves the constitution and IEC is appealing against the judgement and its not a trivial matter its a constitutional matter
Mr Majavu always drunk
Well said Mr majavu
Your understanding of the law is questionable