@@dallasisgood my guy when used in the context of talking to a unknown person is not used to say that said person is a male it is used to say that the said person is a adversary in the conversation
Didn't she also say you can't draw her OC in a particular way? I'm sure she doesn't like people to take personal liberties with her character if it's not in line with her ideals
@@ashoka9306 to be fair the way she handled it was not very good. she didnt commission the artist, the artist drew her oc simply because she liked lily orchard, and lily orchard blew up at her. If you'd like more information, this video was done by the artist in question about what happened: ua-cam.com/video/tNFz7FBZhZw/v-deo.html
see kids' cartoons, like adventure time! it's silly and fun but genuinely deep and interesting. both can be good if executed properly, and it's honestly kind of bland if a series, etc strictly sticks to ONE genre the entire time.
I feel like in some cases (or may I say, even possibly most) turning a comedy into a drama heavily increases the quality of a show. For example, Bojack Horseman's comedy didn't really click with me, at ALL. But as soon as the plot started picking up, hoo boyyyy
It's so weird how Lily wants her fiction to be bland, inoffensive, gentle, soothing, and conflict-free. And yet her entire online personality is 'I threw it on the ground'
You think it is some sort of projection? Like, her older projects are so vile and contain unspeakable context, but she thinks performatively advocating against that sort of content now makes up for it? I can even sympathize with making content you don't agree with now and find shameful, but I don't think she ever expressed feelings of shame with Stockholm or that one genocide game she made.... And even if she did, that sort of stuff is not some "old shame" or a "whoopsies". It's very disturbing.
These writing tips are all just like “If you kill your supporting character at 11:47 p.m. near a young oak tree at the hands of their former friend using a rusty steak knife, you’re a huge turd.”
@@k.-flynn A turd is a turd, regardless of people being there to refute it as someone/something clearly pooed it. Edit: That said, I'm gonna change my name to "No one" so I can read what you write while not being dishonest. "No one is around to read it" indeed!
@@MiloKuroshiro That's just such a toxic way of thinking in general like People can get better? It's not just brushing it under the rug it's acknowledging what they've done, why it's bad, and proceed to male better decisions and show growth. That mentality is so toxic because it assumes that people getting better is just ignoring everything they've done. People can move on while still making note the shit they've done was terrible.
Im years late to this but why do I get the feeling that Lily only understands the term "enemy" or "antagonist" to also mean "abuser". You can have characters be enemies and antagonistic to each other without it necessarily being considered abusive.
Because the only way you can avoid being abusive is if you never act in a negative way towards the person. Negativity essentially equals abuse under this crude moral framework. Even if it is a harsh criticism meant to help you avoid a mistake, if I give it to you in a sufficiently harsh manner or even just a bit on the excessively harsh side, I have abused you. It doesn't matter what the context is. I could be shouting at you to stop pointing a gun at people for fear of you accidently killing someone but if I call you an idiot in the process unnecessarily, I have abused you.
One of the biggest gripes I have with Lily is their absolute hatred for stories that focus more on worldbuilding rather than character development. Not because what they say isn't true, but because they seem to have a hate boner for worldbuilding in any kind of media. Worldbuilding is a valid writing tool too, you numpty...
@@anintellectualclone1475 Lily being so anti world building makes her ignore the fact that world building and character development can go hand in hand. World building can explain why characters act a certain way because of the culture or environment in the world around them.
Not a tip by Lily Orchard (but could as well be), I was on Tumblr one day and some people were seriously proposing that consuming media in which bad things happen to the characters is wrong because "you're gaining pleasure from other people's suffering", and the only times that is acceptable is if all the bad things get solved by the end of the story. boi.
Interesting idea. It's like Plato's idea of an ideal society, in which theater isn't a thing because nobody needs catharsis. Except, of course, that they can't get this train of thought further than "violence bad".
That reminds me of one day when I was in an SCP group, I asked "Hey, which SCP is the succubous-like girl whose presence makes every man wanting to rape her and needs to be nude? A friend told me it is interesting for the lore" and everyone was like "Oh my gad, that's so disgusting, edgy, and horrible, you just want to see yourself in that situation", forgetting that we were in an SCP group, some kind of fictional universe where the most popular anomalies are the serial killers and the most popular is a fcking lizard who hates humanity, kills children, is super edgy, a Gary Stu, and the fun is in reading how many times the foundation tried to kill it and failed, we can enjoy serial murderers and anomalies those turn people into monsters and serial killers but nobody shouldn't read an anomaly that involves rape? Ooooookeeeeey. PD: That anomaly (SCP-166) is one of the most important for the lore of the SCP universe, is almost as if they didn't know about it.
@@juanrodriguez9971 oh I know that scp, I honestly don't care about this story, because it's fiction that doesn't romanticize this horrible thing, so it's not doing harm. If I'm wrong please express your opinions freely to me and I will listen, and by that I mean people who had this horrible experience, because people who didn't can't understand fully, even if they tried.
Coming back to rewatch this for the fourth or fifth time and realizing something interesting: Lily's standard for a "good character" is not a character who is interesting, or one who is entertaining, or one who serves the story well. It's all about making a character that represents an ideal, supports a specific standard and gets a very specific reaction from the right kind of people. It has nothing to do with the actual story the character is a part of.
You got her. My assessment of it is that Lily's standard of quality has almost nothing to do with the merit of the work of fiction, and basically everything to do with how many tropes does it have that she likes vs how many she dislikes. Basically, "I approve of what happens in this show, therefore it is good." That's just not criticism.
She wants every story to be about superman. Not the interesting, well written version of superman either. The bland and boring one, that's just an ideal devoid of personality, that's a good person just cuz.
She literally said in her Owl House review that she's sick of world building in fantasy worlds. How....that's the point of a fantasy world! Not everything has to be slice of life but that's what she wants from a show that clearly isn't taking that route!
I love shitting on Lily too, but I do understand to some degree: I kinda like world building and I understand that lore dumps are generally poorly received. But your characters and your plots rely on your setting to be meaningful. You don't need to provide all the details in one go, but if something needs explaining for the actions of your characters to make sense in their situation, then developing some depth in the world draws people in to your story.
It's not that she's sick of world building, it's that there's too much focus on that in a generic sense rather than filling out either character development or more detailed info of a smaller scale world. I.e.: MLP and She-Ra had like 10-20+ different areas of the map each, and like a dozen main or supporting characters, whereas Moana and Frozen had much smaller world builds, and fewer characters, but a much more compelling story considering the character arc and size of the project, regardless of pacing (series v movies) What makes a good story isn't how big it is, it's in the details and ability to portray the plot and character development effectively. And I love MLP and She-Ra, but having 3-5 main characters and a smaller world are much more manageable concerning the actual storytelling. For instance, many UA-camrs are entertaining people just sitting in a room with a plain white backdrop. There's 1 character, and no world development, yet it's a lucrative market as a form of media for years and years of content. Why is that, if world building is such a superior method of story telling? Why aren't their videos focused on showing off their homes more? It's not only applicable in fantasy, it's applicable to multiple forms of writing and media. A big world means telling stories about that world. If you make a world big without any actual details, then there's really no point in making it or showing it off. It would be like watching the news, but all they do is show the place an event happened without the story. Like showing the Twin Tower rubble, and not even talking about 9-11 or the details of the event. It's not a story, it's barely even a title or caption. No one would understand what's going on without the story itself. The world alone is not good enough to actually say much of anything about a story. That's why. It's not that you shouldn't build the world, but if your main focus is on super old lore that isn't current and the world itself, and not on your story, you may end up with a gorgeous world but no story. It works for games where the player is the storyteller, but not for movies, shows, or books where your perspective is a third person observer. Having a world is fine, but actually use it efficiently. Having an unmanageable, detail lacking world doesn't necessarily add to anything.
Hey guys! Quick story, I actually quit writing my passion project of 2 years a few months after watching Lily's content. Her tips made me think my story was too flawed to save. Back in December, I watched this video, and it inspired me to start writing it again. I came back to thank you for helping me see past Lily's black-and-white ideas and come into my own as a writer. I owe you two a lot. Edit: Thank you to everyone for all your support! Your replies always make my day. Happy writing to us all! May we live to see our own hour-long videos on Lily's channel.
@@zoeglass And she's not a writer. All she has are opinions and what seems to be nigh-impossible standards and an aversion to the smallest conflicts that drive even character stories, though she seems to focus on fantasy and cartoons and fantasy cartoons. You know, the PLOT driven stuff. Rainbows and sunshine seem to be too complex for her worldview, which might be why she's such a bitter contrarian. Be open to criticism, of course, absolutely. You'll never escape it, that's just how it is. But listen to your beta readers, your sensitivity readers, people who can tell you 'no' and be constructive about why the 'no' is a 'no'. Yesmen are almost as bad as bad-faith actors like Lily Orchard. Yesmen will stunt your growth: bad-faith actors will steamroll you. I wish you the best! If you decide to publish - because you WANT to - I can't wait to read it!
@@zoeglass Absolutely! Again, just always be open to criticism, be it about syntax/grammar or plot holes or reasonable character flaws vs out of character moments to fit the plot. I learned the hard way as a baby writer lol. Because you're right, NUANCE is the balancing act. A lot of Booktubers are great but Lily Orchard is not a Booktuber. Or a writer. Or as big the big-name fan with the relevant takes on the zeitgeist that she thinks she is and has. She's a broken clock, right twice a day but that's it. And the times she was right in this list were 'yeah, no duh' moments. Not a visionary. Again, wish you the best! I need to line up my thesaurus and other research tabs and get to work lol. Take care ^_^
But an anti-hero still does heroic things, doesn't he? A villain protagonist just means it's a bad guy who's a protagonist. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Protagonists aren't inherently heroic or good.
@@scorch2155 Walter white is an anti-villain, doing bad morals for a complex and sympathetic reasoning. An anti-hero isn't just "protagonist" it's a hero who doesn't do things all too heroic. Roland Deschain from Stephen King's Dark Tower is a great example
Imagine getting sexually assulted, becoming a worse person due to trauma, working on yourself, writing a character based on that, and getting called a misogynistic pig 💀
I used comics, but there are more examples of course. Artists involved in the writing of their show, eriters who illustrate their own books and make their own covers... no on is only one thing, Lily, and that applies to us as well.
@@qoyote, Tetsuya Nomura would be the only claim in Japanese video games that that the artist makes great art designs, but he has makes an impossible story to follow through for new beginners of Kingdom Hearts.
“Werewolves work best as a metaphor for predators” really rubs me the wrong way because most werewolf characters were turned into werewolves against their will. Her metaphor implies people who have been preyed upon and hurt by abusive monsters are doomed to become predatory abusive monsters themselves. Ironically while complaining about how one metaphor treats a group of people as others, she supports another metaphor that treats a group of people as others. Werewolves as predators” also paints predators and abusers as having no control over their actions. Not thinking beyond the surface level seems to be a chronic problem of Lily’s.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was really put off by the idea of wrapping up entire groups of people as just... creatures. Even bad people, because then it's easy to forget that anyone can become that way, and that you can become a better person. Also... does she think that cishet people are the ones using vamps and wolves as LGBT allegories?? Because from what I've seen it's less we're branded with this and more we adopted it. I mean, c'mon... creatures of the night ostracized by society and/or forced to pretend to be "normal" so they can be accepted (lest they be run out of town), because society has labeled their needs and desires as predatory, diseased, unholy, or just plain inhuman? And they're also super, super sexy? Yeah, of COURSE we latched onto that lol
"Rule 41:Rape victims(survivors) shouldn't be villains" stood out to me because there's an old Punisher comic where the villain was a rape survivor, she was raped by a taxi driver, and then began serial killing taxi drivers. Punisher goes undercover as a taxi driver, and finds her. He tries to talk her out of this, but he ends up killing her in defense. He later monologues that she had gone after the wrong people. If she had gone after rapists, he'd have gladly helped her. Also, Punisher is the protagonist of his stories, but certainly not a hero, which I think broke another one of Lily's "rules".
Abuse victims can become just as, if not worse, than their abusers. Lily doesn't believe in this because she believes that they are "justified" in reacting with harsher violence towards people who most likely had nothing to do with what happened to them.
Yeah, an dynamic I loved is that under slightly different circumstances the hero(if they give in to there hate and vices) and villain(let go of there hate and vices) they would best of Allies
the thing is, I kind of get it because not every abused person becomes an abuser. more often than not, they don't. but it absolutely can happen and it DOES happen. generational abuse is a perfect example of this. a lot of serial killers came from horrible backgrounds.
The problem I find with this rule , despite the obvious hypocrisy, is 'have you ever met a teenage? " While, yes , teenagers shouldn't be objectified or only used to be sexual. It's completely okay for them to have urges, it's just biology! Stop acting like they are saints and can never have a dirty or dark thought! It's okay to let them think something and if you want to say that it was wrong of them to think that, let them be embarrassed by it. Let them cringe at it! It's natural! Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
@@kimchi._.2234 YES i had sex as a teenager it fucking happens. Its okay to depict things as long as theres a reason for it narratively, right? also... i was thinking a lot about lily orchard and seeing more stuff she has done and its starting to become like super clear that her list is so out of touch not just because she is a person who only watches kids cartoons, but also because she is marketing to people who only watch kids cartoons. She has always had sussy interactions with minors and this childish thread is probably childish for a reason. SCARY
@@weezerfan1232I will say, there is a line between “teens have sex” and actually sexualizing teens An example of the former is sex education and an example of the latter is Riverdale
@@weezerfan1232 Why would you advocate for teen xxx in both fiction and reality? Let's just not step into the underage xxx slippery slope no matter the narrative reasons.
Lily needs to be beat with the, "There are many kinds of love," stick. Platonic, Romantic, Familial, Obsessive, Unconditional, etc. For crying out loud, I love my friends and family, to death; but I don't think hanging out with them, going to get dinner, hugging or snuggling on a couch watching a movie, or kissing the forehead or cheek goodbye means all of them are potential "partners." I literally scream at the thought. They're irreplaceable pieces of my life, but let's be real, how we show we care about each other is different from one to another and to varying degrees. It's love, but not the kind of love Miss Orchard seems to think is the only thing that exists.
@@WeRNotAlive Platonically! :3 Also, you guys mentioned some top tier anime in this video. Baccano!, JoJo, and Dorohedoro are some of my personal faves. Good show.
Lily: Every executive producer needs to have a creative writing course and accept their faults and criticism (which I too believe as an artist and as an amateur writer). Also Lily: *writes as if she never took a writing course to begin with, never accepts her faults nor any criticism* __ ALSO - I was just joking earlier but Lily never actually graduated college, let alone for Creative Writing. She really toots the "Rules for thee not for me" horn
The main thing that really bothers me about Lily is how she says "everyone who criticizes me just hates me because I'm a mouthy trans woman" which is not remotely true at all. I don't like you because you're a hypocrite who goes after very specific media pieces you don't like and then makes mostly bullshit criticisms of them
@@CanadAssassiN”people that dont matter” like lily orchard? Because she is not in any position to give an actual showrunner writing tips, as if they would care anyway
I didn’t even think of Moral Orel for this point. But damn was it a good show. And the success of Bojack and Everything Everywhere All At Once by themselves are enough to show how dumb of a point it is.
Even putting aside series, there's one of my personal recent favorite pieces of media, The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals. Granted, it's more of a horror than a drama, but it's still a pretty good example. Starts out very light hearted and comedic, then quickly turns into a horror-comedy.
Someone said this in the comments and it stuck with me; "if a character's kill count is over 10,000 innocent lives, they are irredeemable" So in Lily's mind numbers decide the chance of redemption, that mindset lacks one thing, intent. Going by her logic, a soldier in a war story being ordered to, and then later forced to drop a bomb killing 10,000 people is worse than a serial killer in a horror book maliciously choosing, torturing, and killing 10 people in the cruelest way possible
Exactly. It’s a very binary way of looking at things that just doesn’t work because humanity is a nuanced thing. Also, ironically enough, Alastor, one of her self-declared _favorite characters of all time in animation,_ is an antihero that has likely killed hundreds to thousands of people and was a serial killer in his previous life.
It's very blunt hammer, but the general gist of the tip is this; you can't redeem someone who has done morally bankrupt things, and it's really up to the writer to decide where to draw the moral event horizon.
@@bean6803 Thats cause Alastor is a fucking beast, and you know it. He is never going to get redeemed, and the show knows it, so they can make him as hammy and twisted as they want. It only matters if the character in question is going to be redeemed.
@@deejaydee1578 - That’s fair I suppose. But you have to admit that there is a possibility that Vivzie will try to redeem him because the _premise of the show_ is redemption. Also, admittedly as someone who doesn’t really play WoW, isn’t Blizzard not even attempting to redeem Sylvanas Windrunner either? But Lily specifically writes an excuse for her because it was “stupid” to make her a villain.
@@bean6803 It would have to be a very well done, slow and properly executed redemption arc. And even then, he's kinda like Toph from ATLA. A good character that doesn't change, and instead backs up all the other characters and their arcs/journeys.
And yet I could make the argument that he was a "good person" by the begining, shown from his interactions with his friends, the very reason he was banished, etc etc. Whicb just proves "good" and "evil" are highly subjective concepts that should not limit your story to one way of being alone like this absolute dense, latte-sipping cretin Lilly Orchard wants you to.
@@Nai-qk4vp oh of course! But him being an arguably good person, doesn’t change that he did, in fact, have a redemption arc. Having good morals, and being a “good person”, doesn’t erase the fact that he kinda committed war crimes lol The good within him that we saw, even from the beginning, was the only reason he was able to redeem himself. Redemption happens when the good within someone defeats the bad, and they make the choice to right all of the wrongs they committed.
@@Nai-qk4vp Just view the redemption arc as him coming from the antagonist side to the protagonist side. Can also view it as finally taking a stance that the world around him (the fire nation) is wrong. At first he did see that something was wrong, that's why he got the scar. But he wanted to redeem himself in the eyes of his father because he still does not fully acknowledge that fire nation = baddies. I'd say the completion of his redemption arc was his meeting with his father, this time not to regain his honor as the son of the Fire Lord but as an actual enemy of the fire lord. It's not just bad -> good. Can be recognizing that the side you're on is bad without being bad yourself then going to the good side.
@@N0noy1989 Yes , yes. I know. But one more thing. Redemption arcs don't have to be "villain to hero" or "antagonist to protagonist". Aang also goes through a redemption arc, one paralel in many ways to Zuko's.
@@DeanDraxon8752 *ahem* **nasally:** the correct term would be "atrocities," as there's no Geneva convention to deem it a war crime in the Avatar universe **nerd wheeze**
As an autistic man, I do think a non-autistic person can have a valid look and opinion on what is/isn't good autistic representation, provided they do the research and preferably talk to actual autistic people.
i'm autistic too and i agree with you but i just wanted to point out that lily is actually autistic :) i don't even like her content, but when they said that she doesn't have experience with autism so she shouldnt speak on it, it bugged me for the same reason you said plus the fact that she literally is autistic herself.
@@daver7910 Ah, good to know. I didn't even know Lily, I just like writing stuff and long videos. Yeah, that definitely makes the criticism ring a little louder.
Also an autistic (not severely, but on the spectrum) person. Sometimes, people who have the problem/complication you're depicting are not always the best people to speak on it or criticise. Being autistic means that I can speak on what it's like, but the very fact that I am autistic does not mean that I can always decide what is and is not okay with how we are portrayed. This applies to everything, race, background, sexuality- look, my point is that people in minorities are not without fault, and portraying us in realistic or negative ways is not bigotry. The very fact that the only gay person in a story is a villain is not homophobia. It only becomes homophobia if the FACT that they are gay is used as part of the way they are villainised. Same can be said for stereotypes. Yeah yeah, don't rely on solely stereotypes to create your characters and definitely don't writes shallow characters, but most stereotypes have some root in reality, and portraying a stereotype is not inherently offensive. Flaboyant gay people exist in real life, and having one in your story isn't objectively a problem. Perpetuating the idea that "gay people are just like that" IS the problem. It's that distinction that people like Lily can't seem to understand. You have to look beyond the surface level traits of a character to know the difference. It's like monotone commentary videos, the fact that the creator's voice doesn't SOUND emotional doesn't inherently make it unbiased, you have to look past that initial layer and actually get into the meat and potatoes of the content before you can judge the story and the creator. Bringing this back to autism, portraying an autistic character as great with numbers is certainly a stereotype, and autistic people are more versatile than that, but that doesn't mean it's offensive or unrealistic. A lot of autistic people become mathematicians, coders, technicians, etc because in many cases autism does greatly help in highly technical fields. It's not like portraying that is innaccurate or offensive. If you, an autistic person, are taking extreme offense at the very portrayal of a stereotype or a villain who happens to be autistic, YOU are the problem.
@@themindfulmoron3790 Absolutely. I'm on the spectrum, and a lot of my favorite characters are either autistic, autism-coded, or are tech geniuses. Just because they're stereotypes doesn't mean they're bad characters. Giving Entrapta problems with social communication and making the others perceive her as rude isn't offensive to me...it's realistic. I was treated as a weirdo and a jerk by my peers in middle school, because I didn't know how to talk to people like everyone else. I accidentally offended people by the way I talked in middle school, and a lot of kids bullied me over it. Making Peridot cocky, unaware of social norms/structure, and somewhat insensitive isn't making autistic people out to be bad people, especially when the writers didn't even change a lot of those aspects when they redeemed her, except to make her less of a jerk (basically unlearning the racism and homophobia she was taught back on Homeworld). Giving autistic characters flaws isn't villainizing them. It's making them human. Which is something underrepresented groups need more than anything else. I don't understand why people get so pressed when characters from marginalized groups aren't "perfect" and they have flaws that affect how other people see them. I mean, why can't people who are different just be human? It's like saying every neurodivergent, POC, or LGBTQ+ character can't be a villain for the sake of "wokeness." To me, that's as bad as (if not worse than) villainizing them. Because you're still dehumanizing them, except it looks better because you're making them out to be God-like saints. That's where it can get to a point of fetishization, which is no better than discrimination.
A comment on the "killing is bad" and Aang section: Aang gives Ozai a fate worse than death (for him), he strips him of what made him so proud and egotistical. He lost his bending, something he held above his own life. If he died, he woulda been happy, since it was to a superior bender. But having it ripped away literally broke him.
Yeah I don't think that is the most important thing. It's that spirit bending got pulled out of nowhere. If they had maybe foreshadowed it and the idea that lion turtles are an important part of the world that can do things like that it would have been fine.
I’ve also seen several people point out this also seems to be a family friendly version of how in a lot of martial arts movies a common “fate worse than death” given to villains is basically to cripple them. So it kind of makes sense from that angle too. Not that I’m defending the weird deus ex machina aspects
@@eliswanson4195It didn’t come out of nowhere, the whole show involves spirits, the Avatar being the connection between the real world and spirit world, and learning about advanced forms of bending (blood for water, lightning for fire, and metal for earth). Spirit bending is therefore *air’s* advanced bending. You not paying attention to the build-up doesn’t mean it came out of nowhere, it means you didn’t watch the show.
I really like the spirit bending solution! However, I think if it had been formally introduced/hinted at earlier, and something Aang had to earn, the ending might not have been as jarring. 🤔
Adding "Makes you a huge turd" to each message will definitely make people take your advice seriously as honest writing advice ,and not some salty complaint letter
OKAY as an archer, rule 72 is bullshit. 1. Bows can have so many different draw weights 2. Different people show muscle in different ways 3. I'm friends with a GB archer who shoots a recurve bow - she's not some body builder, she has muscle but it's more being defined - at the end of the day she's still 20 and still has a 20 year old's physique
exactly. i'm an archer too and lily clearly doesn't know anything about archery. i shoot recurve. i've lost strength recently for some medical reasons but i used to shoot a 40 pound recurve and my arms were literally sticks. my uncle who ALSO shot a 40 pound recurve at the time was built like a truck. the kind of strength you require for archery isn't just a brute force huge muscles situation. you do have to have strength, but you can still honestly look quite small. hell, just look at some professional archers for that matter. most of them are quite lean with clear muscle definition rather than any brawn.
Yeah, I think it's telling that Lilly tries to gate keep things in ways that reveal her ignorance to people that actually know what they're talking about. I've found that the most important parts of target archery are endurance and efficiency. Drawing too long tires your muscles, and then you start to get shakey, making you less accurate. And shooting for long enough will just tire you out either way. It's kind of like bowling; you're really just focusing on building the muscles that make those motions easier.
She tried watching delicious in dungeon - a fantasy anime that has all adult characters aimed at an older audience and hated everything about it, ignored all the nuance, and hated that there are multiple tone differences per episode bc comic relief and serious moments can happen in the same episode
I specifically remember an instance where Aang was really angry at Katara because she stole a water-bending scroll for their training and it violated his principles even though he knew they stole it in the first place.
@@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 Oh you are right. Sokka was the one who got mad at her. Their argument was when Aang was naturally good at water bending and she got mad at him. I may have mixed the two up.
Wasn't it also a big point of one of the later episodes how Aang was strongly against Katara wanting to get revenge on the man who murdered her mother?
fr tho. The so-called "If you do this, you're wrong" tips make me less inclined to listen to the tip-giver, let alone trust them. maybe it's just me, but I'm personally more drawn towards "Watch out for this," or "be aware of that"
It’s just tips it’s criticism and is meant to say things that improve the skill you cant improve if everyone is telling you it’s fine you need criticism
Okay, but, the thing is...why do people have such a hard time believing in a character not wanting to kill people? I have moments where I want to sock someone in the face, sure, but...killing people is killing people. If I found out I even accidentally killed someone, it would turn my stomach. I think the majority of us would be horrified if we went into a fight intending to just rough someone up and ended up accidentally killing them. I never understood the argument some people put forth about how "X hero is okay with beating down on villains but not killing them???" because, motherfucker, beating someone to a pulp is a whole different level from actually killing them. Is it so hard to believe that fictional characters would have the same hang-ups as us everyday people?
I think the only scenario where it makes sense is where the hero is perfectly okay sticking knives in random thugs but angsts about killing the evil overlord
If youre okay with risking giving brain damage or other terrible injuries to evil people, but not killing, thats a character flaw, and extremely selfish, especially since those villains usually end up doing harm or straight up killing innocents when they inevitably return
@@wheatleythebrick2276 A. I don't know about you, but I'D rather live on with a hospital visit, and some bad wounds, than be killed. B. The villains are going to PRISON after they're healed, so unless they're going to arkham asylum, which will inevitably be busted open somehow, they're not harming anybody.
This is why I don’t care about what these people are saying cause boob goes as far as the fucking Greek mythology was written or spoken by word those goddesses so why the fuck is it suddenly a big deal? Those people just decided that this bothered them this year and now complain about it.
With that said, let me add - do not lump together "boob plate" with bikini armor into same category. First one is plausible if portrayed in practical, logical way, the other is just dumb.
@@TheAnimationStationTAS I'm pretty sure they weren't. At least the dick ones. But if you have evidence of the contrary I would be happy to be corrected
The nonbinary shapeshifter rule ticks me off so much because being a shapeshifter is also a great power fantasy if you feel incongruent with any binary option you're offered...
You're totally right. My chosen name is Phoenix specifically *because* it's a symbol of change and becoming something greater; I think that's a mentality a lot of nonbinary people can relate with.
I have a dungeons and dragons character who is kinda non binary/genderfluid (he/she/they depending on how they feel, though he primarily uses he/him) and generally gender doesn't matter in the society he has found himself living in so he doesn't implicitly identify as such. He uses the spell "alter self" to transform himself into whatever he wants to present as at the time (though obviously he only transforms sparingly due to spell slots being a limitation, hence why he presents as masculine most of the time). We have a few non binary trans characters who use shapeshifting to live more comfortably. Exploring how the lives of trans people have been effected by living in a fantasy world with magic and abilities that can help them feel like their body is more aligned with their mind. It's also interesting to look at how magic and fantasy elements effects a societies *view* on gender, since perhaps some societies would view gender as more fluid and broad due to the existance of body altering creatures/magic
As a gay man, I hate this idea that characters shoul never conform to stereotypes. Lots of people in real-life do, the key to me seems to be to make them fully-fledged people with their own internal complexities, conflicts, motivations, and reasons why they feel more comfortable being this way. Flamboyant gay men exist and have the right to representation too, especially since for many it's as a deconstruction of gender norms, and we don't necessarily need a token manly gay to contrast him to, at some point it's falling into a whole bunch of different clichés. There's always room for nuance in fiction.
@@themechanic9974 And even that lacks a lot of nuance. It's a generalization based on bad uses of tropes, but you can always find ways to use a trope in a more meaningful way, even if your "blank" character conforms to sterotypes about "blank" and is the only "blank" character in the story. It all depends on context, who wrote it that way and why.
@@AlphaXXI Agreed, and stereotypes are essentially a kind of archetype like any other. The Rogue, the Leader, the sleazy back-alley salesman are archetypical characters. They are essentially stereotypes but they are ALSO useful literary shorthand, so we don't have to spend undue time establishing every single character in a story. This character might be a stereotype of that thing, and the writer isn't trying to be offensive, they just want to give you a ready-made character "packet" so you can more or less guess how that character will act so you aren't thrown through a loop by their actions. Like when So-And-So is a player. So when he tries to schmooze a lady at the bar and gets the hero and his party kicked out, we aren't left wondering "Well why did they suddenly do that??" Besides, most stereotypes are pretty neutral in terms of how mean or nice they are, and I don't think most people care to recognize supposed negative stereotypes as legitimate anyhow. And any uses of stereotypes I've seen in mainstream media/literature have been entirely inoffensive. Things like "okay the gay guy talks a certain way and dresses a certain way" or "the jock is tough and a bit show-boaty but he IS good at sports and healthy and that's a good thing" and "the nerd is awkward but really, really smart and probably has some cool gadgets for the protagonist" I don't think anyone finds the idea of a jock being show-boaty or the nerd being awkward as offensive elements. At least no one whose being honest. It might not be flattering but that's far from blatantly or intentionally offensive. Regardless of the stereotype used, my point still stands. 99 times out of 100 the stereotypes are there for convenience and ease of access for the reader/viewer, not to be offensive. And it isn't lazy, it's cost effective when you've got 100 minutes to tell a story in this movie that doesn't have anything to do with the pan-poloygomous demi-something's personal love life. He's just got a funny accent and a few boyfriends who will show up later to help distract the guards. Now let's get back to stopping the evil space emperor from destroying the universe.
I was wondering why that point of hers gave me the ick, and then I remembered how queer people IN REAL LIFE are pressured to “pass” and fit into cisheteronormative standards. “Not behaving like a stereotype” is just a more flowery way of calling somebody “cringe” or “invalid”, and I’ve seen it being used so many times online in the context of assimilationists trying to force others to dilute their identities and view their queerness as an unacceptable thing.
I will forever defend Aang not killing the fire lord, because as much as people think it's a cop-out to a logical solution, THEMATICALLY it's right for the series. The fire lord's life is spared because of the beliefs of the very culture his country wiped out. It comes full circle to the events the kickstarted the series, while showing both the fire lord and the audience that the air nomads' culture has value and deserved to survive. Throwing it away would have just been proving the villain right.
It also fitting because it removes the one thing the fire lord has ever cared about. Which if you think about it is probably worse then outright killing him.
To summarize: Lily watches shows that are inherently not targeted to her interests, and when they don't cater to her niche tastes that is a failing of the writers and not her own ability to pick what she watches. There is literally so, so much media that is exactly what she would want if she would just go out and find it instead of trying to force shows with a unique vision to be what they aren't.
The fact is, she thinks her weird little preferences for stuff make her more sophisticated and intelligent than other people rather than what it really is, a preference. That's where it gets problematic.
@@Ezekiel_Allium that's not enough for her. She wants all media to be like that. Any accounting for different tastes is simply people liking inferior entertainment in her mind.
@@Normaschthewanderer I am curious if she even knows it exists, she might be so caught up in her preconceived notions of various mediums she doesnt even know exactly what she wants is out there
Bruh when I was 4 years old i was cheering and whooping when prince Eric rammed an entire ship into Ursula. Like i like the idea of conflict resolution but alot of redemptions aren't earned and so I dont think killing isnt an option in media
@@savannahs.5874 definitely true, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the whole movie Frolo was BEGGING to be killed. Most satisfying villain death in Disney imo, next to Scar from TLK. XD
i absolutely hate the blanket statement of "never make a character kiss their abuser" because Captain Spaceboy from Omori is one of the best depictions of abuse survivors i've ever seen and he kisses Sweetheart before eventually realizing she's a horrible person (at least in the hikkikomori route) and beginning his recovery. that entire arc wouldn't hit as hard if he wasn't affectionate with Sweetheart at the start. you can depict toxic relationships, as long as you acknowledge that they're toxic.
I'd also like to add on that if Zuko had just given up capturing Aang and had stayed in Ba Sing Se with Iroh, and that was where his improvement ended. Then yeah, I'd agree he just separated himself from his abusers and improved. However, he didn't just separate himself from his abusers. He went out of his way to find Aang and his friends, prove that he had improved and made sure they thought he *redeemed* himself. *That's* where the redemption arc lies, in him actively making it up to the people he hurt, not just improving himself.
@@nuhuhitsgreywater Right? He literally joined Aang's crew, and then went on personal road trips with each of them in order to redeem himself. How is that not a redemption arc?
If she wanted to make passive-aggressive jabs at cartoons that she's angry with, that's fine, but she didn't have to glorify it by calling it "writing advice."
She is just like this. And, remember, #100 tip is literally just saying "why are you wasting your time asking for advice", while taunt-baiting anyone who would do a react video like the one you are watching..
@@cherrypopscile3385 I mean, she is both figuratively and literally a "one trick pony". Actually, that would have been a good joke to call her during her brony days
Lily: Stick with either comedy or drama and don’t start with comedy only for the story to become dramatic William Shakespeare: Guess I won’t write Romeo and Juliet now.
Not just Romeo and Juliet, MOST of Shakesphere's work are comedy-drama hybrids at their cores. So in essence, Lily is pretty much taking a dump on ALL of The Bard's stories! What a petty, whiny, insecure bastard!
My thoughts exactly and precisely the example that came to mind about hearing that, great writing, as far as I'm concerned, is able to bounce between comedy and drama competently.
That whole dynamic of differing styles (usually comedy paired with something more serious) I think really elevates stories. You don't need constant gloom and doom, and you don't need constant jokes. You can let elements of the story get darker, like say as a character matures over time and learns more about the sordid history of the people he looks up to, but for fuck's sake tell a joke.
How Lily Orchard can literally write some of the most vile shit I have ever seen and then preach that the best stuff is only clean and conflictless is insane to me.
Honestly my only theory is that the same self righteousness that made her feel special and justified in writing vile shit is the same one that makes her preach bland conflictless nonsense. She hasn’t changed, or humbled herself, she’s just found a new way to be better than everyone
I find it really ironic that Lily shits on redemption arcs but she likes a show like "Hazbin Hotel" where its entire premise is literally redeeming people.
@@davidpaul6290 I remember a phrase from one of her newer videos where she was comparing a lot of adult animation to Family Guy, and listed Bojack Horseman as, "Family Guy, for abusive narcissists." Which Im not really sure how she came to that conclusion since even though the audience sympathizes with Bojack, the show clearly states multiple times that he is not a good person. I could try to find the link to where she said it if you want.
friends to lovers can work but it's extremely creepy to put that on all platonic relationships. I have several friends who are female and am also attracted to girls, I am dating none of them.
@@queer-ios3155 Exactly. Itdoes piss me off that still so many both in fiction and real life act like there cannot be a genuine very close friendship between a man and woman. Female and male lead grow to respect eachother therefore they must fuck. A real life example with me. A friend of the same gender I'm close with. Constant gay jokes from his more slow-witted friends. It's insanely idiotic.
All of her comments on friendships and romance being the same fucking thing remind me of my ex friend who got upset when I started dating someone because she saw us as 'together' without ever telling or asking me 🤢
Something I wanna bring up is as a DV survivor I think the “enemies to lovers” trope is really an inaccurate comparison of the majority of actual abuse. Most abusive relationships are the inverse: where you start out love bombed, infatuated, and enmeshed with someone and having a good, positive time and then as the abuse begins, you start to slowly begin to hate and feel entrapped by the other person. Abusers rarely just start out with violence and then the victim just grows to like them. Honestly most enemies to lovers situations I’ve seen have the two individuals in an existing IP - usually in some sort of fanfic AU where the major trauma and conflict is entirely removed, and they have reconciled their previous differences and grown to relate to one another in a healthy way.
It’s something I never understood either. The appeal of enemies to lovers isn’t the conflict itself. It’s the tension in SPITE of the conflict that eventually overcomes the conflict. Is it unrealistic? Yes. Is it an example of abuse? Not usually.
@Robert Allan in my honest opinion, whatever harm twilight could've caused was overshadowed by the backlash against it. Teenagers might like the fantasy of Edward Cullen, but few would likely actively seek a real-life one. Meanwhile, much of the criticism was largely at the expense of dumbass girls who are too stupid to realize that this man is toxic. So, like, who's the sexist one here? The somewhat problematic book or the person trying to protect the girls while implying they have shit taste for ever liking it?
this is why when I do use enemies to lovers, it's in a way that makes sense: 1) I make sure the characters haven't been a direct cause of each other's trauma and struggles 2) I make sure that they're aware of why they considered themselves enemies in the first place and acknowledge their feelings toward one another despite their rival status 3) Just overall make it make sense
Enemies to lovers is "unhealthy turns healthy" and love bombing aka actual abuse is "perceived healthy shows it's true unhealthy and ugly colors" so it's quite different
I will gradually edit this. 2:10 Spoliers (1) 2:55 Seasons and couples (2) 5:29 Friends and enemies to lovers (3) 7:22 Abuse victims and redemption arcs (4) 8:43 Heroes not killing villains (5) 12:50 She-Ra ending (Kissing and being revolutionary) (6) 15:52 Twitter and revealing story details (7) 16:45 10k body count (8) 21:06 Exception to tip 8 (9) 22:08 Wished to be there (10) 24:01 Pedophiles (11) 25:22 Don’t sexualize teenagers (12) 26:34 Excuses for pedos (13) 28:25 LGBT metaphors (14) 30:02 Non human LGBT (15) 31:32 Gay man (16) 32:40 Lesbian (17) 33:44 Non-binary Shapeshifter (18) 34:46 Autistic (19) 36:25 Black people (20 and 21) 37:40 Trans women being drag queens (22) 38:34 Women kissing their abusers (23) 40:04 Nonwhite sidelining (24) 42:24 Sexual agency and horny armor (25) 45:08 Addition to the above (26) 47:00 Not planning things out (27) 49:48 Don’t do Avatar (28) 51:06 Friends>Anime (29) 53:11 Comedy and Drama (30) 54:58 Worldbuilding (31) 57:48 Characters coming first (32) 59:56 Villain protagonists (33) 1:05:17 Stylistic choice (34) 1:08:19 Animators and writers (35) 1:08:51 Will and Won’t They (36) 1:09:11 Gay romance tropes (37) 1:09:35 Lesbian rapists (38) 1:10:30 Women Fetish (39) 1:10:56 Twitter and abuse fetish (40) 1:11:28 Rape victims being villains (41) 1:12:53 Straight man and lesbian (42) 1:14:21 Infinity Train (43) 1:15:28 Polyamory (44) 1:16:06 Male “simps” (45) 1:16:44 Mary Sue (46) 1:17:40 Emotional vulnerability (47) 1:18:39 Goblins (48) 1:19:11 Bigoted tropes (49) 1:20:52 Dynamic relationships (50) 1:22:08 Vitriol (51) 1:22:32 A bunch of irrelevant trash that isn’t writing advice (52-59) 1:28:52 Forced diversity (60) 1:29:27 Reclaimed slurs (61) 1:30:33 Fighting oppressors (62) 1:30:53 Heroes not killing villains 2: Electric Boogaloo (63) 1:32:00 Fantasy and diversity (64) 1:32:13 Sexual tension and chemistry (65) 1:32:39 Best friends to lovers (66) 1:33:24 Relationship defined (67) 1:34:08 Romantic subplots (68) 1:34:59 Slow burn (69) 1:35:38 Sexual awakening (70) 1:37:19 Boob armor (71) 1:38:16 Bows and arrows (72) 1:38:46 Tokenism (73) 1:38:56 White cishet (74) 1:39:42 Backlash (75) 1:40:13 LGBTA/POC suffering (76) 1:40:28 Fun storytelling (77) 1:40:48 Slice of life (78) 1:41:31 Feature creep (79) 1:41:44 D&D character alignments (80) 1:42:13 Rocky Horror Picture Show (81) 1:42:45 Queer (82) 1:43:22 Rape and murder (83) 1:43:32 Sex scenes (84) 1:46:27 Strong characters (85) 1:46:57 Peak TV (86) 1:47:07 Addiction (87) 1:49:21 Sunk Cost Fallacy (88) 1:50:33 Continuity (89) 1:50:59 “This is too political” (90) 1:51:11 Disney Movies (91) 1:51:20 Pronouns (92) 1:51:32 Self indulgence (93) 1:51:53 Monsters(94) 1:52:54 Spite (95) 1:53:06 Political systems (96) 1:53:31 Lesbian relationships (97) 1:53:46 Platonic vs romantic (98) 1:55:36 Friends saying “I ❤ U”(99) 1:55:59 Writing tips list and tips vs advice (100-101)
There's a children's book called Hershel and the Hanukkah Goblins, which is a Jewish story that features goblins as antagonists who try to prevent a village from celebrating Hanukkah. I wonder how confused Lily would be if she came across THAT book.
Now I remember where I've heard of this! In the Pinky and the Brain Christmas episode, they infiltrate Santa's workshop disguised as elves. When they're found out, an elf asks who sent them. "The Easter bunny? Hershel the Hanukkah goblin?"
It's true that some writers create goblins who are heavily coded with antisemitic imagery :side-eyes JK Rowling: but that's different from saying that they're inherently antisemitic.
As an autistic person, I feel so patronized at her attempt at bossing around autistic rep. Some autistic people are ethically dubious numberphiles, and as long as that's depicted realistically and empathetically I don't mind. (And lily's anti-dramady advice PISSES ME OFF. There are plenty of shows that do that really well, like Moral Orel.) And as a rape survivor- in my opinion it's dangerous to act like abusers can't abuse because that completely ignores the cycle of abuse.
Also, this could just be a me thing, but in the circles I run in, autism really amounts to a cluster of atypical personality traits more so than anything else. If a character has irrational and hyper specific interests, which they understand more thoroughly than anyone else around them, and isn’t the best at reading the room, does it really make a difference if the text explicitly calls them autistic or not?
@@sealogic4552 there's a reason the DH9 used to avoid diagnosing symptoms unless they started to interfere with day to day life. the medical industrial complex started to get out of hand so if little jimmy started to act a bit rambunctious its Ritalin time.
Yeah my abuser was very much abused growing up. I mean I didn't know much about his life, but the vibes I got and the way he spoke about his dad (my abuser was my ex-stepdad) it sounded like he grew up pretty rough, especially since his dad was in the military and my ex-stepdad was a military kid. But also I agree with the whole autistic rep thing as the previous one is about nonbinary characters being a non-human shapeshifter, and while yes, I do agree that that there needs to be more nonbinary rep and more better nonbinary rep that isn't just "skinny white person who looks masc but is very much seen as just woman-lite". I remember being a kid and wanting to become a shapeshifter, I'm sure every nonbinary and trans binary person wanted to be a shapeshifter because it was cool as (maybe not everyone but most nonbinary and trans binary folks I speak to often say this about themselves).
@@theroleplayinggamer837 i get she's a lesbian herself but her weird obsession with lesbian superiority rubs me the wrong way and idk why. im a lesbian myself but like the way she acts seriously creeps me out
@@phylasvell yeah, putting something so superficial (well, sexuality is superficial if you are not looking to court the person anyway) as this super important moral indicator is really toxic
There are three types of adults who enjoy children's animated shows - People who are chill and like what they like - Insecure people who claim they're actually super dark and mature - Whatever the hell this was
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong I'd say there's an important difference between someone like you simply stating it, and someone else who you can tell is trying to justify their interest in cartoons, and is really really emotional about it. Personally, I never got over Infinity Train's third season. So I can relate.
rule 84 (sex scenes aren't necessary) made me remember folding idea's video analyzing a sex scene in tuca and bertie. in it bertie and her boyfriend attempt some bdsm but he accidentaly upsets her by calling her a bad girl. that whole scene was there to play into the show's themes of personal boundaries, and how being with someone is inherently putting yourself at risk of having your boundaries crossed, even if by accident. and a sexual scenario is probably one of the best illustrations of that.
im convinced that Lily has seen Dan's video (or at least knows it exists) and put that rule in there specifically as a response to him. i know this is the case because she does seem to have some kind of axe to grind about breadtube, although for what reason exactly i dont know
Have you ever read a fantasy book called Kushiels Dart? The entire religious system is built around sex, and how to use that in political intrigue. Each scene in th ebedroom we get to actually see is a clever exploration of the characters involved in it, otherwise it will just say something like «and we spendt that night in Nsamah’s embrace» or whatever (Naamah is one of the deities, it’s complicated). It’ such an interesting way to get to know our cast of characters. The scenes aren’t there to be hot, but to show who is selfish and who is domentaing, who can use who for gaine, and who can be lured into divulgin secret information during pillow talk. Every scene is absolutely nessacery. Lily would have a fit trying to comprehend it.
Yeah, that was really stupid and shortsighted. My favorite scene in the Berserk manga is a sex scene. Guts and Casca meet again after being separated for a year and finally let all of their emotions out. Guts suffers from extreme Haphephobia, the fear of being touched, due to being r@ped as a child. Guts suffers a panic attack, due to the last sexual encounter he had being his r@pe. When Guts opens up to Casca about his past, he expects her to reject him and offers to leave her alone. She doesn’t reject him and instead offers him comfort and understanding. This all happens during a sex scene. Like, all Lily does is watch kids cartoons about pastel unicorns and fairies. No wonder she finds sex disagreeable in her media.
The amount of advice about managing a fandom is so wild because, like A) why would you give advice for managing a fandom to people looking for writing advice? Isn’t that putting the cart way before the horse? B) what credentials do you have to be giving advice on this? You don’t have a fandom around anything you’ve worked on. It’s like a food critic going into the kitchen to tell the chef how to cook. Just because you’re in the space doesn’t mean you know best on how it works.
@@themechanic9974 She also angered just about every Fandom she's engaged with due to her atrocious takes. Her Pokémon one was particularly egregious, when she was complaining how Gen 5 had too much dialog and the story didn't make sense, yet she was intentionally skipping and not paying attention to any of the dialog.
@@nukclear2741 source trust me bro She read all the dialogue how do you think she made the video about the story and what was said in the dialogue without reading it
If this woman wrote a show, it would be literally the most milk-toast non-challenging piece of media in the world. 90% of these tips tell people to go into a character as an archetype rather than a person. The archetype in my opinion, should be more apparent to the audience than the writer, because I feel that you should always write a character as a person no matter what their relationship to the story is, and then if they fall into a trope or an archetype, it happens. But it should not be the goal going in.
"90% of these tips tell people to go into a character as an archetype rather than a person" That's just Fire Emblem, though at least that has gameplay justifications.
I think her total dismissal of lore as a storytelling tool really reveals how little she engages with mediums outside childrens cartoons. Look at games like Dark Souls and Hollow Knight, where figuring out the lore is essential to understanding the story. Those are two of the most engaging games I've ever played, and the focus on lore as a story is a large part of what makes them great.
Lore comes first. If your universe is uncomprehensible. And stupid with tropes and macguffins littered about its gonna be shit. Korra shouldnt have had 3 elements mastered. We shoulda seen her master the elements. Lets look at halo. Master chief. Kidnapped at 6 forced into the military and at 14 underwent augmentation tgat killed 33 of his comrades. He hated that. He hated losing his team. So much it drove him to save any and all humans he coukd spartan, marine, odst no matter. Korra doesjt care she is selfish with how the world is she could start a civil war with one wrong action. The chief had zero choice in becoming a spartan, korra had zero choice in becoming the avatar but she still had free rang of action and choice and she fucks it up.
Lore is a pretty niche thing that doesn’t really exist outside of fantasy though, like someone who mainly watches adult dramas and art house movies would likely not care much about lore either. Like her tip is wrong but that one really isn’t some kind of tell
@@zeus28frenzy If you want to see a spiritual avatar mastering the elements, you watch AtLA. Korra is about a physically capable avatar mastering internal conflict. Aang starts out weak and becomes strong. Korra starts out selfish and bull-headed, given confidence by growing up in a much less hostile world than Aang, but grows as a character when she runs into problems that can't be solved with violence. The things you're admonishing are an essential part of the story.
Little does Lily Orchard know that the term "Mary Sue" was coined by a woman. Mary Sue, created by Paula Smith in 1973, was a satire character published in the Star Trek fanzine Menagerie. It was meant to parody the Star Trek self-inserts who were perfect, had the main characters fall in love with them immediately, stuff like that. I looked this up a few days ago out of curiosity and didn't realize the knowledge would come in handy so soon. Point is, calling a character a Mary Sue is not always rooted in misogyny, and never has been. Yes, misogynists often use the term to describe any strong female character, which is annoying, but they're using it incorrectly. The term itself is not misogynistic. There is also a male equivalent, "Gary Stu" (but imo, "Mary Sue" could still be used for non-female characters; it's more an archetype thing than a gender thing). TL,DR: Calling a character a Mary Sue/Gary Stu CAN be a valid criticism if given for good reason.
That being said, women can be misogynists too. So the gender of the person who came up with that term is not inherently of consequence. I'm completely with you on the understanding of what "Mary Sue" actually refers to (or used to refer to). We keep losing specific words and phrases with very specific meaning all the time to generalization or oversimplification or just because some person in the limelight used them wrong and people began aping that use. It's a depressing degradation of language and thus thought. For if you do not have the words to express complex thought (even to yourself), your complex thought will remain stunted. Sorry for going off on that tangent. It just depresses the hell out of me to watch this happen.
@@Brandiwell "We keep losing specific words and phrases with very specific meaning all the time to generalization or oversimplification or just because some person in the limelight used them wrong and people began aping that use." ... reminding me of the misunderstanding of "irony" kinda, here.
Yeah pretty much. Too many people conflate actual Lily’s bad ideas with her somewhat salvageable politics, and we wanted to take a nuanced approach to that.
Honestly don't even worry about the third thing. If you write any sort of dystopia someone is going to call you either bigoted or a disgusting commie, for example.
@@DeathnoteBB no. You shouldn't. Because no matter what you write or how you write it, people are going to say mean things just to be contrarian. Being afraid of "bigotry" in your writing means a fear of inherent messaging and depth. People who only read surface level will go "wow author wrote bigotry in their story they must be evil I will go whine on **
“(34) Perspective shifts are a staple of storytelling. Having only one perspective isn’t a, “stylistic choice”, it’s just crap.” Apparently Lily has never heard the terminology, “first-person perspective.”
@@GabyGeorge1996 It's much older than SU. It also includes "The Hobbit". And I mean the novel... and I'm 90% certain other stuff is included in the "it's older than people think" but for the life of me I'm having trouble recalling examples with complete assurance. (I'm pretty sure 'The Three Musketeers' by Dumas was also a limited perspective work from D'Artagnan's view... but I don't have a copy any longer, and I'm told English translations are abridged.)
Good writing tips are usually applicable to any medium. This is not. Has lily ever played a video game? Most of them follow the same perspective, maybe even the same person throughout the entire playthrough.
@@annaf7207 The version of 'The Three Musketeers' felt a bit less like an adventure book. I mean, not quite to the extent of 'The Count of Monte Cristo' but... (A book about a man seeking vengeance and karmic justice for his enemies, amidst others who are harmed by them, and it's dry like whole-wheat toast.)
The “don’t turn a comedy into a drama, it annoys people” rule sheds some more light on her recent reaction to Dungeon Meshi. One of the things I and so many other people love about the series is that tonal shift. It eases you into an inherently silly premise of adventurers cooking monsters and unravels into a much darker story about grief, desire and what it means to be alive. And yet, the series is still about food and how living is inherently tied to food! But, according to Lily, no. None of that. The series has to stay the same the entire way through, never evolving or maturing. Because, of course, that annoys people (her).
One of the other horrendous things on that review was the implication that she was a better writer than Ryoko Kui which is certainly a statement to make.
The thing that angers me about the series is the "I have to save them! But only after 5 to 5 business days." thing with that one girl that got eaten by a dragon.
@@nullpoint3346 It was stated/implied in the story that the main party was going to reach the level of dragon incredibly quickly. They were ahead of another party comprised of trained warriors who skipped meals just to keep moving, even though they left at around the same time. Even with the meals, their pace was much faster than others comparatively. Them eating and making sure they were well rested would also help them fight better against the dragon when they encounter it, as they lost due to their exhaustion and hunger. Another thing is that Laios (and the rest of the party) believed that the dragon was going to be sedentary after eating Falin, which would both slow digestion and make it easier to kill. The dragon appearing on a higher floor was a genuine shock and it only did so because of outside meddling from another character. And that’s not even getting into how the characters think about death in the dungeon, due to the existence of revival magic and all. Basically, it does look like they’re taking their time, but really they are going at a rather quick pace.
Remember: when it’s Zuko, he did nothing wrong on his own because it can all be traced back to abused, but when it’s Catra, she doesn’t deserve love or growth because she fought Adora earlier
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Catra had : - Almost erase reality and make Glimmer lose her mom. - Scratched one of Octavia eyes out just because she's standing next to her. - Send Entrapta to Beast Island. - Abandoned Adora when she need her the most in season 5 ep 11. - Scratch and Jump on Adora body just because she's hanging out with Lonnie when they're kid. Even when Zuko was a kid he never act mean and rude to other like Catra
I'm male. Two of my closest friends are an asexual enby and a married, heterosexual man. I find the entire premise of #98 deeply offensive. Apparently these people cannot be my dearest friends because platonic relationships without a romantic component are *inconceivable* to Lily. What the fuck is she talking about? Can I not love my brothers? My friends? My roommates? Why is every platonic relationship inches away from being sexual in her eyes?
Seriously, I just want media to be able to show two men or two women having a close, platonic relationship and NOT have fandom twist it to be romantic and/or sexual. Is that too much to ask?
I swear, I've heard people complain that platonic relationships are queerbaiting when the characters are of the same gender, as though actual friendships cannot exist outside of sex. I've loved people as brothers, and that in no way means I want to take them here and now. Wacky tbh
This is unfortunately not just Lily and it's something that has bothered me for a very long time. I can't even talk about my male and enby friends without other people acting like I was in a sexual relationship with all of them. Later, when it became a knowledge that I'm panromantic, this have also included my female friends. Seriously, some people are acting like I can't have any friends at all without f*cking them. Can we as a society stop sexualising friendships, please?
@@n48_art Yep. Tara Callie; a side account Lily used in the past (Lily is now referring that account as "Allison"). The story is all sorts of just bizarre, so much so that Lily being inconsistent about her character that I am sure she forgot what she had previously established.
This video honestly helped me so much. At the time it came out I was surrounded by people who thought like Lily, and being lonely and desperate to fit in I was starting to fall into that "You must never engage with any problematic media or you're a disgusting person" rabbit hole. It was miserable being in that headspace, and what these people decided was ""problematic"" was abitrary and could change on a dime. This video helped me see how limiting that is, and helped me get out of it. Fun thing, thanks to this video's recommendation I did go and watch 'Snatch' not too long afterwards. Another thing was also being in a book club with my friends from uni, and it had become an infamous running joke of me showing up having not read the book. I could only ever be on the edge of the discussion, never able to properly engage with what everyone was talking about. After watching this video and you guys begging people to engage more with different media I got off my ass and started reading more regularly again. Since then I have read some fantastic and engaging books. It was just the boost I needed. I love that all the work on this channel encourages people to engage more with stories and media they love and share that joy. This video came out just when I needed it to. Thank you.
The idea of telling the queer community they can't use queer as a reclaimed slur to mean something descriptive or positive is baffling to me. I quite like the word.
I don’t know if Orchard herself is guilty of this, but as a gay man who enthusiastically reclaims slurs, I’ve had so many non-gay men tell me that using the f-slur is offensive to gay men. Like, who are you white-knighting for at that point? The fictional gay friend you fantasize in your head? Maybe I’m alone on this one, but I’ve had all manner of progressive people (even other queers!) tell me very emphatically what I supposedly believe.
@@sealogic4552 My ex-stepdad always HATED it when I called myself queer. Because when he grew up (mind you he's very straight and very cis, and very homophobic/transphobic/every -phobic) it was a slur. Like, okay cool???? I don't particularly like it when people use slurs for themselves, but they've obviously reclaimed it and I can't get mad at them because that's what THEY want to call themselves. It was just so weird. Congrats, I won't call you queer, is that what you're telling me? Iunno man, people can get really weird around slurs. Like if it's personally affected you, then yes sure, I'm happy to change my language for you. But when it comes to words I use for myself, do not police what I call myself.
@@mxmissy I know at least Lily has the excuse of being trans herself, but honestly, it is wild to see people who aren't part of our community try to police our language from the outside. I've noticed a lot of similar issues with neurodivergent and disabled language, i.e. allistic people gong "no, you're not *autistic*, you're a *person with autism*!" Like, dog. What?
what really annoys me about that is that she's talking about all anime like it's some battle action show like naruto or cowboy bebop which are popular in their own rights, but there's SO MUCH character driven low stakes slice of life anime out there. "cute girls doing cute things" shows are more popular then some shounen titles. Bro K-ON is so fucking popular and it's just cute girls drinking tea and hanging out and it's so obvious that Lilly has not seriously interacted with the medium at all and just assumes that MHA and Dragon Ball represents all anime and is so smug about it kinda pisses me off
I’m watching Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken (a slice of life anime that celebrates film) and it’s shaping up to be one of the best anime shows not only of the past few years, but which I’ve ever seen.
@Eric Lee Yeah, some of that stuff you described is what turned me off from watching that show, but I do want to watch it if someone tells me that it gets better (or at least, doesn't have too much of that sexual harassment stuff). Mostly it was that teacher joining the group and making them wear outfits all the time that made me uncomfortable. I liked it when it was just the girls trying to be a group and one of them overcoming her ADHD (my interpretation) to learn the guitar.
@@aug1014 Which is the irony of it all, that's ALL she wants. She doesn't want sexuality, nudity, violence. She just wants normal shit happening to "gay girls". Yet there's Yuri content that's JUST that too.
My biggest problem with her is her mind set. She's so determined to separate decisions and experiences in objectively right and wrong, while silmutaneously INTENSELY hating people who do the same, but with different opinions.
"She's so determined to separate decisions and experiences in objectively right and wrong" When has anything in the arts field been simply about the right or wrong way to do it? Art can express numerous ideologies and perspectives, and incalculable methods and styles can be used in its creation.
@@Dimadick3 Exactly. But that concept completely elludes her. She is mixing up her bad life experiences together with her toxic bubble of the Internet with her "writing" experience. The result is that twitter rant.
To go on a philosophical tangent (btw I think your assessment is pretty spot on): There tends to be two primary world views, objective (there is some supernatural "thing" that dictates stuff like reality and morality), and subjective (there is no objective, every person has a different view of the world than others). Lily here seems to be an objectivist (which isn't inherently bad as long as you're nuanced about it, which she isn't), but an objectivist in a way that just screams EGO. She judge sinners like Christ and gives her hundred commandments (and as humans who are not perfect no matter what you believe, we can't really effectively do that) and gives vague explanations for why. And like you said, the second someone offers another objective opinion, she gets all huffy about it. BUT THEN she'll say some very subjective stuff, like how justice is a social construct and art is subjective. So I think at the end of the day, she actually just picks and chooses morals and things in life she likes without thinking too hard about them, and then demonizes and bashes things she doesn't like without thinking too hard about them. Because lord forbid you THINK about your own worldview. After all, if you did that, you might come to the conclusion that something you believe is wrong, and something you hate is right. And that is very uncomfortable for a lot of people.
@@zillafire101now hold on a moment. The Dark Eldar do that cause the average person is more likely to kill a Daemon than they are to hit a Dark Eldar.
@@godkekliveshere431 I read it; but it makes no sense. Because for it to be a “guilt”, a wrong has to be committed first. And there was no wrong committed.
@@godkekliveshere431 Buddy. Pal. Friend. You might not want to try and ask if someone else passed English when your sentences look like they’re being typed by a toddler with broken fingers and no concept of grammar.
"Mom! I've commited multiple war crimes and have *non-consectual reproduction* many men, women, and children these past 10 years!" "Awww, that's ok sweet heart, i still love you no matter what!" "Mom, i got a B on math." *get out of this house, you god damn disgrace*
@@aaaah540 Considering she used gendered language for general domestic violence as well, I don't think so. I'm a fan of hers, I wanna believe she doesn't have such a shitty take but it's hard to with the context.
@@fruitloops2058 I don't think she'd intentionally caim that, I'l give her the benefit of the doubt on that. I vaguely remember her mentoining men getting raped too in a video, but I might be mistaken on that.
Lily hating the concept of redemption is hillarious because: 1) she likes Hazbin Hotel, a show about trying to redeem sinners 2) pretty sure she needs some redemption herself lol
the fact that lily will ban, block, and silence ANYONE who even mentions Steven Universe because she's "so tired of talking about Steven Universe" BUT SHE TALKS ABOUT IT ALL THE TIIIIME UGH
It's the only thing people know her for at this point (beyond the obvious of the pedo rape fanfiction she wrote). This is why you shouldn't make your online career exclusively shitting on children's media.
@@monochromegreyson She wrote an MLP fanfiction back in the day that involved minor/adult pairings. It was called Stockholm. I never sought it out myself, but I think it was mostly centered around Rainbow Dash and Scootaloo?
@@tamayako2000 Yep. You're correct. I never read it either due to the subject manner but I have heard about it from word of mouth. Basically, Rainbow Dash adopts Scootloo and rapes her. At one point Lily tried defending it because she made a sequel where Rainbow Dash dies but from what I've heard, the stories kinda paints Dash in a sympathetic light and the sex scenes themselves are painted in a way that's intended to arouse as opposed to something the audience/reader is supposed to be condemning.
About worldbuilding and character development in general, it really depends on the author. Classic literary work "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" has almost every character die or have their character arcs unfulfilled, because in the work, the main focus isn't in the characters, but the city, and the cathedral, specifically.
Lily's only focusing on animated children-centric shows. It's easy to see she hasn't read/watched any other story from other mediums outside of what's most popular today, or maybe she has but decided to ignore them
Worldbuilding is important because at its base, it is the setting. We, as an audience need to know where we are and the rules that govern. Without those, the story exists in a void. Character development is important because it makes progression feel tangible. We see how characters have changed over the course of the story through the conflicts that they have endured. And often times, worldbuilding influences character development.
@Tesla-Effect I do know the context, and the real focus of the book reflects that, but in the end it doesn't take away from the fact the book is well regarded as a classic masterpiece, and a testament that worldbuilding can be at times as important, if not more, than character building, and that focusing on one or another doesn't make a story inherently bad.
Her writing is bad. She hates pedophiles but she writes about minors having sexual encounters. Total trashy hypocrisy. And her writing breaks a lot if her 'advice'. It's bad.
Disagree on Aang not killing Ozai. As an Airbender/Buddhist monk, Aang believes in preserving life. The struggle was in Aang staying true to himself while everyone, even his past lives, are telling him the only way to stop Ozai is to kill him. It was a test of his convictions. When he's the one in control, with all the power, no one can stop him, what will he do w/ it? At the end, Ozai was defenseless against Aang, so now Aang has two choices- kill or don't kill. he takes the unknown third option- remove Ozai's firebending, which allows Aang to hold to his morals and render Ozai helpless. He broke Ozai, but Ozai didn't break him. I think this quote from the film Schindler's List sums it up nicely- ", "Power is when we have every justification to kill- and don't."
@@jeangentry6656 I was okay with it, but Energy Bending did kinda come out of nowhere. And the Lion Turtles were only hinted at....once, I think. Back in the Library of Wan Shin Tong.
It's contrived because energy bending came out of nowhere without any buildup or foreshadowed whatsoever making anng victory against ozai to be artificial since his internal dilemma of whether to kill this murdering psychopath breaking the code the monks thought him or to let ozai live and risk him escaping prison again to start another war is ruined by him taking ozai bending away which was kinda lame since there was no training scene of him using the technique.
@@colindowden2182 I always just considered it a less gorey alternative to doing the normal third option which would have been crippling him. Same result (Aang defeats the bad guy without killing him) but it means you don't have to demonstrate or explain that a 12 year old kid (he was still 12 in the finale, right?) mutilated a dude. Even if removal of bending is effectively the same thing for benders its much less visually visceral than pulling a bane.
Lily Orchard is the same person that said “anyone who watches anime is a pedophile” yet there’s anime’s out there that will suit Lily’s taste just fine. It’s crazy to me to write off an entire country’s animation because you can’t get past the mainstream Isekai’s. -_-
I genuinely think Lilly would shorten her lifespan by like, 50 years out of rage if she even tried to watch kaiji or cowboy bebop or read berserk or something. I think the only anime she'd like are the reallly cheap slice of life shows that come out every season. not even like, good slice of life
@@alexgomez6723 she calls her favorite kids cartoons "sitcom slice of life". But I guess you're right, it's different from slice of life like yotsubato, usagi drop or dragon maid
@@majora6767 Lily isn’t mentally and/or morally capable of enjoying something like Berserk. Lily prefers works that reflective her simplistic black and white outlook on the world. Where heroes are purely good (even if somewhat flawed), villains are the scum of the Earth, and everything is as easily solvable as plucking the big meanie poopy head in the head with your fists or big shiny weapon, with no serious challenges to the viewer. Now that’s not bad thing in of itself, that’s just the nature of content made for younger viewers, but it becomes a problem when that constitutes the majority of your viewing experience and using that as a base for your “tips” to general creative writers.
@@alexgomez6723 I have never met you before. I probably will never encounter you again. but what I know is that I love you. and obviously you're right, she'd just dismiss it as "there's not enough comedy, Guts is unlikable and Griffith isn't a trans woman and there's too much sex" or something. kids shouldn't be reading berserk or vinland saga or anything mature, as it would traumatise them and they won't get any of it because they're kids. also I have said it before, but it's really ironic how the idea of a woman trapping herself in a situation in which she has no past (in this case, wasted years watching kids media), and by that not being able to truely live for the future is a concept that fits both Lilly and Fae valentine. a character Lilly would fucking despise based purely on her design alone
In regards to rule 41: Anyone implying that someone who's been sa'd can't go on to sa other people or just be a horrible shitty person in general personally owes me a hundred bucks. I didn't suffer through several years of sa, manipulation, isolation and gaslighting at the hands of my roommate only to be told by some mediocre halfwit high on internet clout juice to tell me that said roommate couldn't be considered a villain bc the roommate was sa'd first, before doing so to me But Worse This Time.
...it's literally called the cycle of abuse for a reason. and, it exists. my family is proof enough of that. i don't want to explicate further than that, but being traumatized and abused in your formative years is really the chemical X in making a sad version of *The Powerpuff Girls*
Perfectly stated. The thing that should be taught more is what I was told after years of being victim blamed is: “just because you were hurt does not give you the right to hurt others”. To add onto the video’s topic, that could also be a great starting point of a conversation/story we desperately need.
I was sa'd by my older sibling who was older than me and had been sa'd themseleves several times. I grew on to be sa'd by two other people who had also been sa'd. They are effectively villains to me. This is the cycle of abuse, I am greatful to have not continued the cycle, but this rule is kind of bs. The people who sa'd me were victims but reacted with taking it out on me, usually younger than them. I didnt take it out on people. Victims can be victims and peices of shit simatainiously.
"Friends is more popular than any anime because it's low stakes" In my favorite anime the highest stakes are either imaginary sequences or a girl getting bitten by a mean cat lol
Also, Friends existed at a time when you could only watch what came on TV and anime became mainstream much later on, when you could google different shows to watch. Friends having a wider reach (in the West) isn't JUST about the low stakes.
The real source of this "critique" is Lily wanting to pointlessly dunk on annoying nerds in fandoms having annoying conversations and arguments (focusing on pointless minutiae or wrong character interpretation, showing all participants lack of understanding of the material). So, she's logic'd herself into a blanket statement that she believes ends all these arguments. That none of the fandom BS is worth it, so shut up nerds. Again, not writing advice and really dismissive of art, but that's Lily's behavior uncoded
I didn't ask to be born, I have to live with it. My characters didn't ask to be written, they have to live with it... now if you'll excuse me, I have an over-the-top violent torture scene to write, followed by an unnecessary sex scene where enemies become lovers but continue to try to kill each other anyway, after one of them murdered an entire populus of 10,001 people and still gets redeemed anyway; just for you Lily.
@@JukaDominator >followed by an unnecessary sex scene where enemies become lovers but continue to try to kill each other anyway i don't recall this ever being in index lol
About Rule 71 - I used to do fencing, and we had literal boob armor. We wore hard plastic plates on our chests to prevent bruising, and yeah, there were differently shaped plates for people with bigger boobs. Granted, they weren't as, uh, defined as in many videogames with questionable character design, but we did have them. Which makes sense! You wouldn't want to get bruises on your chest, and flat chest plates wouldn't fit people with big boobs. Therefore - boob armor.
The problem is 1) The definition is 100% the problem, not just that the armor is curved 2) Fencing armor is definitely made for lower force impact than actual armor Really the solution is to take historical plate armor, which tended to have a gut both for aesthetics and the practicality of curving the armor to better mitigate hits, and turn it upside down. It’s practical, has historical precedence, gives room for breasts, and imo looks pretty good.
Honestly, that one about the only difference between a close platonic relationship and a romantic relationship was REALLY insulting as an aromantic person. It implies that aromantic people like me can’t have close friendships. It also implies that heteroromantic people can’t have close friendships with people of the same gender and vice versa.
FR. The DIFFERENCE is how your brain reacts to that person. There's a clear distinction between being in love and platonically love someone, which I don't feel cause I'm aromantic too, but there's a sexual and obsessive factor that create a distinction. Also wtff I literally consider my BROTHER my best friend!
Totally agree. I'm straight, and I would absolutely say I love my friends, but it's very different from how I feel about romantic partners/people I'm interested in. There are multiple types of love!
I don't think the romantic type of love is special. And I am started to think that the romantic type of love isn't real. I mean about more than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other, while most platonic best friends remain friends until death. I think that having a platonic best friend is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse is. Having someone who's like a sibling to you is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse. Also, you are more likely to be much more closer to someone who's like a brother or sister to you than you would be with a romantic partner or spouse. People tend to fight with their partner or spouse a lot more than they do with a platonic best friend, and you never fight with your best friend the way you fight with your partner or spouse. Partners and spouses are just temporary. If you break up or divorce them, it's hard to go back to them. With your platonic best friend, you're going to make things work, because they are your best friend, they are your go to partner. It's always easier to make amends with them than it is with a romantic partner or spouse. Romantic relationships are pointless, while platonic relationships are not.
So, I basically came here because I saw another video responding to this thread and I just felt the need to marinate in it a little longer. I’m currently on #8 in this video and already “The tone of Steven Universe doesn’t accommodate the actions of the Diamonds” is a more cogent criticism of Steven Universe than anything Lily Orchard has said. I don’t even think I AGREE with it but it’s something that can at least bear an argument.
Yeah even if it's something I massively disagree with at least it makes sense, and I know the reasons I disagree with it are because I have a different way of approaching media not like, factual superiority
"Sex scenes are never good" "Chandler and Monica are a great example of a good couple" THEY LITERALLY ONLY GOT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY HAD SAD LONELY SINGLE-PERSON CHEER-EACH-OTHER-UP SEX AFTER ONE OF ROSS'S WEDDINGS LEADING THEM TO REALISE THEY WERE ACTUALLY KINDA INTO EACH OTHER.........
@@Tommylovesnoodles That's the thing, though. Not all couples have to be perfect for each other. *Most* couples in real life are terrible, so it's likely to make Friends seem more realistic.
Tbf the only sex scene that I can think of that adds anything is between Mr peanutbutter and Diane, only because it highlights how toxic they are for each other. Unless I remember wrong
“Don’t make a comedy into a drama” this is a direct commentary on Gravity Falls. Lily didn’t like Gravity Falls because she hates serialized shows. She wants every show to be like Sponge-Bob or Scooby Doo where there’s no over arching story, just individual stories scattered through
@@mr.x2567 no, she is welcome to have her own opinion. It’s just a bit arrogant to say “This will just annoy people” which is not accurate of everyone. Some people will very much like it. Just look at Gravity Falls’s two emmys
DId you see her "Gravity Falls is Garbage and Here's Why" video without watching it? It's a troll video that is literally just static. She likes Owl-House, Avatar, and very select bits of Korra, all of which are a mix of serialized and episodic shows.
@@deejaydee1578 I’m well aware that it’s a troll video, but she has stated without irony that she does not enjoy Gravity Falls for expressly that reason. She likes Avatar, but liking Avatar doesn’t prove anything other than that she has functioning eyes and ears
#41 "Rape survivors cannot be villains" Interesting- one of my villains thinks the same thing- he thinks that because he was raped and knows how painful rape can be, that him coercing, manipulating and gaslighting his girlfriend into doing what he wants sexually therefore isn't that bad.
To sum up lily's writing tips : dont make characters, make stereotypes but dont make stereotypes make characters, dont develop the world, but also develop the world, basically dont do x but do x
Do lesbian characters but not like stereotypes because they're people. .. but don't have them being bad or having struggles like real people because i don't like it... Also they are not people because they don't have agency and you are writting them so...
and now you see why “making everything to my subjective taste” doesn’t work, but is her entire frame work for how she views and adjudicates everything.
Lily getting angry at Aang choosing not to kill Ozai means she has missed the underlying, secondary conflict of the show. The secondary conflict of the show is Aang struggling to come to terms with the fact that he is the Avatar. We see time and time again that he is afraid of those responsibilities, afraid of the immense power within him. Afraid of hurting people he cares about because he loses control of himself. This culminates at the end of the story where the Avatar State activates and he is taken over. He wrests back control specifically because he refuses to become an Avatar that abandons his beliefs. "I'm not gonna end it like this." He has come to his arc's conclusion - he found the kind of Avatar he wants to be and he sees it through. Could the Lion Turtle stuff have been set up better? Absolutely! But Aang choosing not to kill Ozai was the only real way for his arc to wrap up. He defeats the main villain, Ozai, at the same time he defeats his secondary "villain," the concept of the Avatar. And we see how his resolve comes into play immediately after, as he willingly taps into the power of the Avatar State to raise the tide (using the first waterbending technique Katara ever taught him, coming full circle) and quell the fires. The last episode is literally called "Avatar Aang," come on...
I think something a lot of people miss, including the vid kinda, is the spiritual relevance of not only Aang not killing the Firelord, but how he does it. In the philosophies like Daoism that Avatar lifts heavily from, the guiding principle is that the universe will always correct itself to a state of cosmic balance, like Iroh said why he couldn’t be the one to kill Ozai, it’s not just in ending the war, but HOW the war ends that matters. Azula created the scar on Aangs back that when hit gets him into the Avatar state. It was always going to happen And even the Lion Turtle is kinda a representation of the physical divine will of the universe making sure that balance is attained, so that Aang beat the Firelord, the man who held strength above all else, with compassion.
I’d even argue that what Aang did to Ozai was worse than death. The great Firelord, strongest fire bender in the world reduced to a shell of a man. Having to live out his life not only in prison but as a nonbender and knowing that his least favorite child sits on the throne.
For a long time, I was mad that Aang didn't kill Ozai. I felt like it allowed Aang to weasle out of making sacrifices. Now I realize the issue isn't so much that Aang doesn't kill Ozai (which I now think was actually a great choice), it's the setup. Almost like Bryke suddenly realized they couldn't get away with killing Ozai and had to come up with something near the end rather than having time to set it up over a season or perhaps longer. Also, it doesn't help that Aang did a few things that most definitely caused some deaths (like the avelanche or being possessed by the Ocean Spirit), but we never see him struggle with that and it's treated with a "if you don't see a corpse, you can't prove it" logic. Still, I learned that there's a difference between "the ending sucks" and "the ending had a clunky setup" and talking to other ATLA fans certainly helped me differentiate.
@@VeWatchesVideos We do kind of see how those moments traumatized him. He has nightmares in book 3 about those scenarios where he lost control. The Ocean Spirit is one of those moments. Fear of his power is a pretty significant theme that he has to struggle with - the entire reason he goes along with Guru Pathik is because he wants to be able to control that power. There's a lot of subtext showing that Aang DOES feel tormented by the actions he took while out of control. He just doesn't constantly mention it directly. I 100% think that if the lion turtle had been set up in book 2, it could have been a masterful ending.
I definitely agree with this. Aang’s beliefs as not only a monk but the last monk made following its practices far more important than if he was just some kid in a big civilization. If Aang lets go of his pacifism then he essentially betrays the last thing left of his people. Him choosing not to kill Ozai wasn’t a “cop out”. It was actually the direction the made the most sense.
About rule 72. I do archery, and have for a long time. That was stupid. Yes, bows are heavy to draw, but 90% of drawing a bow is pure technique. It's not pure strength, as if you were lifting that shit. You would probably have a very muscular back, but it wouldn't make you "really strong" and definitely not stronger than a warrior walking around in full heavy armour and swinging a heavy ass sword. And again, that shouldn't even be something to worry about unless you're going for a hyper realistic world. Just learn to have fun ya dingus Edit: Addendum, cause its been months and people don't read replies. Yes, swords are generally pretty light, but if you swing it a bunch your arms will definitely hurt, and yes, you do need some strength to fire a bow, which does end up building muscle in your back, but that doesn't make you "super buff". The point still stands, if you want a buff archer, please feel free to do it, but don't try and say all archers should be buff based on a fact that isn't real. Let people enjoy things, learn to have fun, and stop correcting people on threads about why people are hung up on correcting people.
@@patario5977 well, those aren't war bows, which usually are 100 pound bows, and while you can't pull them back with strength alone, technique is required, it still takes a fair amount of strength to pull it back
@@xolotltolox7626 sure, and like i said, strength is a requirement. But the whole overall point is that it doesn't require nearly as much strength as, say, walking around in full armor waving a heavy ass sword
Surprised I even need to clarify this, but any comment that misgenders Lily Orchard will be removed immediately. Like, use your heads, people.
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@@dallasisgood my guy were you saying pathetic because they didn't want to misgender/dead name lily or because ppl really do that
@@dallasisgood my guy what
@@dallasisgood my guy when used in the context of talking to a unknown person is not used to say that said person is a male it is used to say that the said person is a adversary in the conversation
lily orchard wrote a guide on how to write fanservice for lily orchard
Didn't she also say you can't draw her OC in a particular way? I'm sure she doesn't like people to take personal liberties with her character if it's not in line with her ideals
@@dracopug yeah but like her oc is her oc you gotta respect that
@@ashoka9306 to be fair the way she handled it was not very good. she didnt commission the artist, the artist drew her oc simply because she liked lily orchard, and lily orchard blew up at her. If you'd like more information, this video was done by the artist in question about what happened: ua-cam.com/video/tNFz7FBZhZw/v-deo.html
@@mistergray9615 i really don't care for drama
@@ashoka9306 Thats fair, I just thought it should be clarified as more than disrespecting her OC for anybody who reads this
"artists draw, writers write"
People who write and illustrate graphic novels: *i have no such weaknesses*
Lol
You think your mortal words could hurt me, you wretched creature?
If writers write, and artists draw, then I am ascended!
as a person who pursues both art and writing (albeit as hobbies) this comment is hilarious
look upon your superior, and weep.
But...
Writers have writer's block
Artists have Art block
Graphic novels have both
"don’t turn a comedy into a drama, it annoys people"
nearly every comedy I enjoy becomes deeper than the surface, turning into a drama
see kids' cartoons, like adventure time! it's silly and fun but genuinely deep and interesting. both can be good if executed properly, and it's honestly kind of bland if a series, etc strictly sticks to ONE genre the entire time.
I feel like in some cases (or may I say, even possibly most) turning a comedy into a drama heavily increases the quality of a show. For example, Bojack Horseman's comedy didn't really click with me, at ALL. But as soon as the plot started picking up, hoo boyyyy
helluva boss:
SMG4:
Isn't that the entire character of Saul Goodman and everyone loves Better Call Saul lol?
It's so weird how Lily wants her fiction to be bland, inoffensive, gentle, soothing, and conflict-free. And yet her entire online personality is 'I threw it on the ground'
"WHATCHU THINK I M STUPID?!?!?!!"
“WHAT DO YOU WANT ME TO DO WITH THIS, EAT IT? HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GROOOOUUUUNNDD”
You think it is some sort of projection? Like, her older projects are so vile and contain unspeakable context, but she thinks performatively advocating against that sort of content now makes up for it? I can even sympathize with making content you don't agree with now and find shameful, but I don't think she ever expressed feelings of shame with Stockholm or that one genocide game she made.... And even if she did, that sort of stuff is not some "old shame" or a "whoopsies". It's very disturbing.
@@henrynelson9301 "I THREW THE REST OF THE CAKE TOO!!!"
@@hithere5039 she still refuses to confess she wrote Stockholm to this day
These writing tips are all just like “If you kill your supporting character at 11:47 p.m. near a young oak tree at the hands of their former friend using a rusty steak knife, you’re a huge turd.”
Well there goes my manuscript
@@pancakeofdestiny okay but that actually sounds like a Jojos adventure and I wanna read it.
"if I write badly in the woods and no one is around to read it, am I still a huge turd?"
Sounds like a COD zombies Easter egg
@@k.-flynn A turd is a turd, regardless of people being there to refute it as someone/something clearly pooed it.
Edit: That said, I'm gonna change my name to "No one" so I can read what you write while not being dishonest. "No one is around to read it" indeed!
"Zuko's story isn't about redemption, it's about recovery!"
Can't it be both?
No. Redemption assumes that everything g done before is just ignored and brushed under the rug.
@@StormgemThunder its a joke stormgem, jesus
I think denying the Zuko had a redemption arc is an insult to his character and the growth he had over the series.
@@MiloKuroshiro That's just such a toxic way of thinking in general like
People can get better? It's not just brushing it under the rug it's acknowledging what they've done, why it's bad, and proceed to male better decisions and show growth.
That mentality is so toxic because it assumes that people getting better is just ignoring everything they've done. People can move on while still making note the shit they've done was terrible.
Zuko - A story about Recovemption.
What lily wants are small character centric stories where the characters don’t have personalities, and no conflict. So effectively a glass of water
That's perfect my god.
She wants those "coffee shop AU" stories where the characters just chill at a coffee shop and face no conflict or development.
That's insulting to water!
@@darrelsam419 That's not fair too Coffee shop stories though because they might have conflict٫I also say stories because it's not a au.
And that same thing is what she complained about Korra, being small character centric stories and claimed they don't have personalities..
“characters don’t have sexual agency, you made them that way” CHARACTERS DON'T EXIST, YOU MADE THEM
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Characters don't, you made them
Characters, you made them
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Im years late to this but why do I get the feeling that Lily only understands the term "enemy" or "antagonist" to also mean "abuser". You can have characters be enemies and antagonistic to each other without it necessarily being considered abusive.
What I mean is that two people can be enemies and fight because of ideological differences and not because they actively hate each other.
@@CorvusTheNerdOr they can be fighting because they hate each other and still not be abuse
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 Exactly.
RIGHT, how about rivals who are on equal footing? or two characters learning to get along despite their differences? guess that counts as abuse
Because the only way you can avoid being abusive is if you never act in a negative way towards the person. Negativity essentially equals abuse under this crude moral framework. Even if it is a harsh criticism meant to help you avoid a mistake, if I give it to you in a sufficiently harsh manner or even just a bit on the excessively harsh side, I have abused you. It doesn't matter what the context is. I could be shouting at you to stop pointing a gun at people for fear of you accidently killing someone but if I call you an idiot in the process unnecessarily, I have abused you.
These don't feel like writing tips. They feel like
"you can't write this story that way because I don't like it"
That's pretty much Lily in a fucking nutshell.
And also here are some of my trash politics.
Y U P
One of the biggest gripes I have with Lily is their absolute hatred for stories that focus more on worldbuilding rather than character development. Not because what they say isn't true, but because they seem to have a hate boner for worldbuilding in any kind of media. Worldbuilding is a valid writing tool too, you numpty...
@@anintellectualclone1475 Lily being so anti world building makes her ignore the fact that world building and character development can go hand in hand. World building can explain why characters act a certain way because of the culture or environment in the world around them.
Not a tip by Lily Orchard (but could as well be), I was on Tumblr one day and some people were seriously proposing that consuming media in which bad things happen to the characters is wrong because "you're gaining pleasure from other people's suffering", and the only times that is acceptable is if all the bad things get solved by the end of the story.
boi.
Interesting idea. It's like Plato's idea of an ideal society, in which theater isn't a thing because nobody needs catharsis. Except, of course, that they can't get this train of thought further than "violence bad".
Are people looking at reviews for old Horror films and making that their world view now?!
That reminds me of one day when I was in an SCP group, I asked "Hey, which SCP is the succubous-like girl whose presence makes every man wanting to rape her and needs to be nude? A friend told me it is interesting for the lore" and everyone was like "Oh my gad, that's so disgusting, edgy, and horrible, you just want to see yourself in that situation", forgetting that we were in an SCP group, some kind of fictional universe where the most popular anomalies are the serial killers and the most popular is a fcking lizard who hates humanity, kills children, is super edgy, a Gary Stu, and the fun is in reading how many times the foundation tried to kill it and failed, we can enjoy serial murderers and anomalies those turn people into monsters and serial killers but nobody shouldn't read an anomaly that involves rape? Ooooookeeeeey.
PD: That anomaly (SCP-166) is one of the most important for the lore of the SCP universe, is almost as if they didn't know about it.
@@juanrodriguez9971 oh I know that scp, I honestly don't care about this story, because it's fiction that doesn't romanticize this horrible thing, so it's not doing harm. If I'm wrong please express your opinions freely to me and I will listen, and by that I mean people who had this horrible experience, because people who didn't can't understand fully, even if they tried.
Ngl thats exxactly the stuff many people in the art community think. Like, now yall relized how dumb yall sound like?? Even here in these comments
Coming back to rewatch this for the fourth or fifth time and realizing something interesting: Lily's standard for a "good character" is not a character who is interesting, or one who is entertaining, or one who serves the story well. It's all about making a character that represents an ideal, supports a specific standard and gets a very specific reaction from the right kind of people. It has nothing to do with the actual story the character is a part of.
You got her.
My assessment of it is that Lily's standard of quality has almost nothing to do with the merit of the work of fiction, and basically everything to do with how many tropes does it have that she likes vs how many she dislikes. Basically, "I approve of what happens in this show, therefore it is good."
That's just not criticism.
She wants every story to be about superman. Not the interesting, well written version of superman either. The bland and boring one, that's just an ideal devoid of personality, that's a good person just cuz.
Sounds like she wants her own fanservice character
ayn rand would approve
If a character isn't someone she would be friends with or ideally act like herself it's "bad writing"
She literally said in her Owl House review that she's sick of world building in fantasy worlds. How....that's the point of a fantasy world! Not everything has to be slice of life but that's what she wants from a show that clearly isn't taking that route!
What’s wrong with magical beings leeching off a giant demon corpse!?!!??!???! It’s so metal, the heck. What’s her deal.
I love shitting on Lily too, but I do understand to some degree: I kinda like world building and I understand that lore dumps are generally poorly received. But your characters and your plots rely on your setting to be meaningful. You don't need to provide all the details in one go, but if something needs explaining for the actions of your characters to make sense in their situation, then developing some depth in the world draws people in to your story.
"sick of world building in fantasy worlds"
Oh my god Lily why the fuck are you watching FANTASY CARTOONS THEN?!? THAT'S THE ENTIRE POINT!
Besides world-building is one of the important things you do when making fantasy worlds
It's not that she's sick of world building, it's that there's too much focus on that in a generic sense rather than filling out either character development or more detailed info of a smaller scale world. I.e.: MLP and She-Ra had like 10-20+ different areas of the map each, and like a dozen main or supporting characters, whereas Moana and Frozen had much smaller world builds, and fewer characters, but a much more compelling story considering the character arc and size of the project, regardless of pacing (series v movies) What makes a good story isn't how big it is, it's in the details and ability to portray the plot and character development effectively. And I love MLP and She-Ra, but having 3-5 main characters and a smaller world are much more manageable concerning the actual storytelling. For instance, many UA-camrs are entertaining people just sitting in a room with a plain white backdrop. There's 1 character, and no world development, yet it's a lucrative market as a form of media for years and years of content. Why is that, if world building is such a superior method of story telling? Why aren't their videos focused on showing off their homes more? It's not only applicable in fantasy, it's applicable to multiple forms of writing and media. A big world means telling stories about that world. If you make a world big without any actual details, then there's really no point in making it or showing it off. It would be like watching the news, but all they do is show the place an event happened without the story. Like showing the Twin Tower rubble, and not even talking about 9-11 or the details of the event. It's not a story, it's barely even a title or caption. No one would understand what's going on without the story itself. The world alone is not good enough to actually say much of anything about a story. That's why. It's not that you shouldn't build the world, but if your main focus is on super old lore that isn't current and the world itself, and not on your story, you may end up with a gorgeous world but no story. It works for games where the player is the storyteller, but not for movies, shows, or books where your perspective is a third person observer. Having a world is fine, but actually use it efficiently. Having an unmanageable, detail lacking world doesn't necessarily add to anything.
Hey guys! Quick story, I actually quit writing my passion project of 2 years a few months after watching Lily's content. Her tips made me think my story was too flawed to save. Back in December, I watched this video, and it inspired me to start writing it again. I came back to thank you for helping me see past Lily's black-and-white ideas and come into my own as a writer. I owe you two a lot.
Edit: Thank you to everyone for all your support! Your replies always make my day. Happy writing to us all! May we live to see our own hour-long videos on Lily's channel.
Don't let other people make you lose faith in your creation. You can't make something appeal to everyone. So make something that appeals to you.
@@Normaschthewanderer Thank you ^w^ That's a good tip
@@zoeglass And she's not a writer. All she has are opinions and what seems to be nigh-impossible standards and an aversion to the smallest conflicts that drive even character stories, though she seems to focus on fantasy and cartoons and fantasy cartoons. You know, the PLOT driven stuff. Rainbows and sunshine seem to be too complex for her worldview, which might be why she's such a bitter contrarian.
Be open to criticism, of course, absolutely. You'll never escape it, that's just how it is. But listen to your beta readers, your sensitivity readers, people who can tell you 'no' and be constructive about why the 'no' is a 'no'. Yesmen are almost as bad as bad-faith actors like Lily Orchard. Yesmen will stunt your growth: bad-faith actors will steamroll you.
I wish you the best! If you decide to publish - because you WANT to - I can't wait to read it!
@@zoeglass Absolutely! Again, just always be open to criticism, be it about syntax/grammar or plot holes or reasonable character flaws vs out of character moments to fit the plot. I learned the hard way as a baby writer lol. Because you're right, NUANCE is the balancing act. A lot of Booktubers are great but Lily Orchard is not a Booktuber. Or a writer. Or as big the big-name fan with the relevant takes on the zeitgeist that she thinks she is and has. She's a broken clock, right twice a day but that's it. And the times she was right in this list were 'yeah, no duh' moments. Not a visionary.
Again, wish you the best! I need to line up my thesaurus and other research tabs and get to work lol. Take care ^_^
@@zoeglass Don't listen to her and let her control your ideas, girl, you deserve to have your story heard. By the way, what was your story about?
But an anti-hero still does heroic things, doesn't he? A villain protagonist just means it's a bad guy who's a protagonist. The two aren't mutually exclusive. Protagonists aren't inherently heroic or good.
*They
That’s what I thought.
@@scorch2155 he starts out as an anti hero. but he is the full on villain of the first half of season 5.
I read a story in the person of the villain, this is true.
@@scorch2155 Walter white is an anti-villain, doing bad morals for a complex and sympathetic reasoning.
An anti-hero isn't just "protagonist" it's a hero who doesn't do things all too heroic.
Roland Deschain from Stephen King's Dark Tower is a great example
Imagine getting sexually assulted, becoming a worse person due to trauma, working on yourself, writing a character based on that, and getting called a misogynistic pig 💀
Yes, thank you for your tip.
which writer are you referring to? Just curious
if you’re referring to lily the proper word would be pdf-file
yep, happens all the time. annoying as hell.
I feel this
"Artists draw, writers write"
all the comic artists out there who write their own comics: Well, shit fam, you got me there
I used comics, but there are more examples of course. Artists involved in the writing of their show, eriters who illustrate their own books and make their own covers... no on is only one thing, Lily, and that applies to us as well.
I know, I guess according to lily I don't fucking exist
Manga authors be like:
@@qoyote, Tetsuya Nomura would be the only claim in Japanese video games that that the artist makes great art designs, but he has makes an impossible story to follow through for new beginners of Kingdom Hearts.
Me, an aspiring artist who also writes and look up to Genndy, storyboard artists, and mangaka: Yo wtf?
“Werewolves work best as a metaphor for predators” really rubs me the wrong way because most werewolf characters were turned into werewolves against their will. Her metaphor implies people who have been preyed upon and hurt by abusive monsters are doomed to become predatory abusive monsters themselves. Ironically while complaining about how one metaphor treats a group of people as others, she supports another metaphor that treats a group of people as others. Werewolves as predators” also paints predators and abusers as having no control over their actions. Not thinking beyond the surface level seems to be a chronic problem of Lily’s.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was really put off by the idea of wrapping up entire groups of people as just... creatures. Even bad people, because then it's easy to forget that anyone can become that way, and that you can become a better person.
Also... does she think that cishet people are the ones using vamps and wolves as LGBT allegories?? Because from what I've seen it's less we're branded with this and more we adopted it. I mean, c'mon... creatures of the night ostracized by society and/or forced to pretend to be "normal" so they can be accepted (lest they be run out of town), because society has labeled their needs and desires as predatory, diseased, unholy, or just plain inhuman? And they're also super, super sexy? Yeah, of COURSE we latched onto that lol
It's almost as if far leftism is completely built upon rampant hypocrisy. /(O^O)\ GASP
@@CaptainDCap Politics is more than IDPOL, dude.
@@autumnox2174 You're right! Far leftists disagree.
@@CaptainDCap Why must you bring politic on the table ?
"Rule 41:Rape victims(survivors) shouldn't be villains" stood out to me because there's an old Punisher comic where the villain was a rape survivor, she was raped by a taxi driver, and then began serial killing taxi drivers. Punisher goes undercover as a taxi driver, and finds her. He tries to talk her out of this, but he ends up killing her in defense. He later monologues that she had gone after the wrong people. If she had gone after rapists, he'd have gladly helped her.
Also, Punisher is the protagonist of his stories, but certainly not a hero, which I think broke another one of Lily's "rules".
Abuse victims can become just as, if not worse, than their abusers. Lily doesn't believe in this because she believes that they are "justified" in reacting with harsher violence towards people who most likely had nothing to do with what happened to them.
Often the difference between villain and hero is misplaced anger. I like stories like these cause they teach us to be more careful with our hate.
Yeah, an dynamic I loved is that under slightly different circumstances the hero(if they give in to there hate and vices) and villain(let go of there hate and vices) they would best of Allies
A fellow punisher Stan I see 💜
the thing is, I kind of get it because not every abused person becomes an abuser. more often than not, they don't. but it absolutely can happen and it DOES happen. generational abuse is a perfect example of this. a lot of serial killers came from horrible backgrounds.
That "Don't pair adults with minors" rule is so funny coming from her
The problem I find with this rule , despite the obvious hypocrisy, is 'have you ever met a teenage? " While, yes , teenagers shouldn't be objectified or only used to be sexual.
It's completely okay for them to have urges, it's just biology! Stop acting like they are saints and can never have a dirty or dark thought! It's okay to let them think something and if you want to say that it was wrong of them to think that, let them be embarrassed by it. Let them cringe at it! It's natural! Thanks for coming to my ted talk.
@@kimchi._.2234 YES i had sex as a teenager it fucking happens. Its okay to depict things as long as theres a reason for it narratively, right? also... i was thinking a lot about lily orchard and seeing more stuff she has done and its starting to become like super clear that her list is so out of touch not just because she is a person who only watches kids cartoons, but also because she is marketing to people who only watch kids cartoons. She has always had sussy interactions with minors and this childish thread is probably childish for a reason. SCARY
@@weezerfan1232I will say, there is a line between “teens have sex” and actually sexualizing teens
An example of the former is sex education and an example of the latter is Riverdale
@@zinkheroofyoutube8004 i feel like i implied that distinction in my comment, but youre right sure
@@weezerfan1232 Why would you advocate for teen xxx in both fiction and reality? Let's just not step into the underage xxx slippery slope no matter the narrative reasons.
Lily needs to be beat with the, "There are many kinds of love," stick. Platonic, Romantic, Familial, Obsessive, Unconditional, etc. For crying out loud, I love my friends and family, to death; but I don't think hanging out with them, going to get dinner, hugging or snuggling on a couch watching a movie, or kissing the forehead or cheek goodbye means all of them are potential "partners." I literally scream at the thought. They're irreplaceable pieces of my life, but let's be real, how we show we care about each other is different from one to another and to varying degrees. It's love, but not the kind of love Miss Orchard seems to think is the only thing that exists.
I love you for this comment.
this is why we should speak greek!!
@@WeRNotAlive Platonically! :3
Also, you guys mentioned some top tier anime in this video. Baccano!, JoJo, and Dorohedoro are some of my personal faves. Good show.
Hang on while I screenshot this. I'm gonna need it for SO many shippers online.
This is all the "shipping" culture is pushing nowadays. If you turn to look at someone and smile, it means you're lovers.
These sound more like a guide to pleasing Lily Orchard instead of good writing advice.
Didn't you know? There is no God, ONLY LILY ORCHARD!!
...and Zuul
Are you trying to tell me Lily believes there's a difference?
Most things are guide to do so...
It's like a "how to write a story that Lily Orchard would like" book of a hundred pages
Bet if even I try to follow basically all of her advice,she would still get pissed off at my work
Lily: Every executive producer needs to have a creative writing course and accept their faults and criticism (which I too believe as an artist and as an amateur writer).
Also Lily: *writes as if she never took a writing course to begin with, never accepts her faults nor any criticism*
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ALSO - I was just joking earlier but Lily never actually graduated college, let alone for Creative Writing. She really toots the "Rules for thee not for me" horn
The main thing that really bothers me about Lily is how she says "everyone who criticizes me just hates me because I'm a mouthy trans woman" which is not remotely true at all. I don't like you because you're a hypocrite who goes after very specific media pieces you don't like and then makes mostly bullshit criticisms of them
Of course she accepts criticism. Just not sh*tty criticism from people who dont matter
@@CanadAssassiNlily is that you?
@@CanadAssassiN”people that dont matter” like lily orchard? Because she is not in any position to give an actual showrunner writing tips, as if they would care anyway
The logic of Lily’s videos are normally shitty. Like, at least learn some kind of logic.
“Don’t make a comedy into a drama”
>Bojack Horseman
>Gintama
>Moral Orel
>Barry
>Everything Everywhere All At Once
I didn’t even think of Moral Orel for this point. But damn was it a good show. And the success of Bojack and Everything Everywhere All At Once by themselves are enough to show how dumb of a point it is.
Dragon Ball, for sure
Blackadder Goes Forth.
Even putting aside series, there's one of my personal recent favorite pieces of media, The Guy Who Didn't Like Musicals.
Granted, it's more of a horror than a drama, but it's still a pretty good example. Starts out very light hearted and comedic, then quickly turns into a horror-comedy.
Succession
Someone said this in the comments and it stuck with me;
"if a character's kill count is over 10,000 innocent lives, they are irredeemable"
So in Lily's mind numbers decide the chance of redemption, that mindset lacks one thing, intent. Going by her logic, a soldier in a war story being ordered to, and then later forced to drop a bomb killing 10,000 people is worse than a serial killer in a horror book maliciously choosing, torturing, and killing 10 people in the cruelest way possible
Exactly. It’s a very binary way of looking at things that just doesn’t work because humanity is a nuanced thing. Also, ironically enough, Alastor, one of her self-declared _favorite characters of all time in animation,_ is an antihero that has likely killed hundreds to thousands of people and was a serial killer in his previous life.
It's very blunt hammer, but the general gist of the tip is this; you can't redeem someone who has done morally bankrupt things, and it's really up to the writer to decide where to draw the moral event horizon.
@@bean6803 Thats cause Alastor is a fucking beast, and you know it. He is never going to get redeemed, and the show knows it, so they can make him as hammy and twisted as they want. It only matters if the character in question is going to be redeemed.
@@deejaydee1578 - That’s fair I suppose. But you have to admit that there is a possibility that Vivzie will try to redeem him because the _premise of the show_ is redemption.
Also, admittedly as someone who doesn’t really play WoW, isn’t Blizzard not even attempting to redeem Sylvanas Windrunner either? But Lily specifically writes an excuse for her because it was “stupid” to make her a villain.
@@bean6803 It would have to be a very well done, slow and properly executed redemption arc. And even then, he's kinda like Toph from ATLA. A good character that doesn't change, and instead backs up all the other characters and their arcs/journeys.
Zuko literally burned down Kyoshi village, he wasn't a good guy in the beginning.
So yeah, it was a redemption arc.
And yet I could make the argument that he was a "good person" by the begining, shown from his interactions with his friends, the very reason he was banished, etc etc.
Whicb just proves "good" and "evil" are highly subjective concepts that should not limit your story to one way of being alone like this absolute dense, latte-sipping cretin Lilly Orchard wants you to.
@@Nai-qk4vp oh of course! But him being an arguably good person, doesn’t change that he did, in fact, have a redemption arc. Having good morals, and being a “good person”, doesn’t erase the fact that he kinda committed war crimes lol
The good within him that we saw, even from the beginning, was the only reason he was able to redeem himself.
Redemption happens when the good within someone defeats the bad, and they make the choice to right all of the wrongs they committed.
@@Nai-qk4vp Just view the redemption arc as him coming from the antagonist side to the protagonist side. Can also view it as finally taking a stance that the world around him (the fire nation) is wrong. At first he did see that something was wrong, that's why he got the scar. But he wanted to redeem himself in the eyes of his father because he still does not fully acknowledge that fire nation = baddies.
I'd say the completion of his redemption arc was his meeting with his father, this time not to regain his honor as the son of the Fire Lord but as an actual enemy of the fire lord. It's not just bad -> good. Can be recognizing that the side you're on is bad without being bad yourself then going to the good side.
@@N0noy1989 Yes , yes. I know.
But one more thing. Redemption arcs don't have to be "villain to hero" or "antagonist to protagonist".
Aang also goes through a redemption arc, one paralel in many ways to Zuko's.
@@DeanDraxon8752 *ahem* **nasally:** the correct term would be "atrocities," as there's no Geneva convention to deem it a war crime in the Avatar universe **nerd wheeze**
As an autistic man, I do think a non-autistic person can have a valid look and opinion on what is/isn't good autistic representation, provided they do the research and preferably talk to actual autistic people.
i'm autistic too and i agree with you but i just wanted to point out that lily is actually autistic :) i don't even like her content, but when they said that she doesn't have experience with autism so she shouldnt speak on it, it bugged me for the same reason you said plus the fact that she literally is autistic herself.
@@daver7910 Ah, good to know. I didn't even know Lily, I just like writing stuff and long videos. Yeah, that definitely makes the criticism ring a little louder.
Also an autistic (not severely, but on the spectrum) person. Sometimes, people who have the problem/complication you're depicting are not always the best people to speak on it or criticise. Being autistic means that I can speak on what it's like, but the very fact that I am autistic does not mean that I can always decide what is and is not okay with how we are portrayed. This applies to everything, race, background, sexuality- look, my point is that people in minorities are not without fault, and portraying us in realistic or negative ways is not bigotry. The very fact that the only gay person in a story is a villain is not homophobia. It only becomes homophobia if the FACT that they are gay is used as part of the way they are villainised.
Same can be said for stereotypes. Yeah yeah, don't rely on solely stereotypes to create your characters and definitely don't writes shallow characters, but most stereotypes have some root in reality, and portraying a stereotype is not inherently offensive. Flaboyant gay people exist in real life, and having one in your story isn't objectively a problem. Perpetuating the idea that "gay people are just like that" IS the problem. It's that distinction that people like Lily can't seem to understand. You have to look beyond the surface level traits of a character to know the difference. It's like monotone commentary videos, the fact that the creator's voice doesn't SOUND emotional doesn't inherently make it unbiased, you have to look past that initial layer and actually get into the meat and potatoes of the content before you can judge the story and the creator.
Bringing this back to autism, portraying an autistic character as great with numbers is certainly a stereotype, and autistic people are more versatile than that, but that doesn't mean it's offensive or unrealistic. A lot of autistic people become mathematicians, coders, technicians, etc because in many cases autism does greatly help in highly technical fields. It's not like portraying that is innaccurate or offensive. If you, an autistic person, are taking extreme offense at the very portrayal of a stereotype or a villain who happens to be autistic, YOU are the problem.
@@themindfulmoron3790 Couldn't have put it better myself. This should be the comment at the top of the chain, much better than mine.
@@themindfulmoron3790 Absolutely. I'm on the spectrum, and a lot of my favorite characters are either autistic, autism-coded, or are tech geniuses. Just because they're stereotypes doesn't mean they're bad characters. Giving Entrapta problems with social communication and making the others perceive her as rude isn't offensive to me...it's realistic. I was treated as a weirdo and a jerk by my peers in middle school, because I didn't know how to talk to people like everyone else. I accidentally offended people by the way I talked in middle school, and a lot of kids bullied me over it. Making Peridot cocky, unaware of social norms/structure, and somewhat insensitive isn't making autistic people out to be bad people, especially when the writers didn't even change a lot of those aspects when they redeemed her, except to make her less of a jerk (basically unlearning the racism and homophobia she was taught back on Homeworld). Giving autistic characters flaws isn't villainizing them. It's making them human. Which is something underrepresented groups need more than anything else.
I don't understand why people get so pressed when characters from marginalized groups aren't "perfect" and they have flaws that affect how other people see them. I mean, why can't people who are different just be human? It's like saying every neurodivergent, POC, or LGBTQ+ character can't be a villain for the sake of "wokeness." To me, that's as bad as (if not worse than) villainizing them. Because you're still dehumanizing them, except it looks better because you're making them out to be God-like saints. That's where it can get to a point of fetishization, which is no better than discrimination.
A comment on the "killing is bad" and Aang section:
Aang gives Ozai a fate worse than death (for him), he strips him of what made him so proud and egotistical. He lost his bending, something he held above his own life. If he died, he woulda been happy, since it was to a superior bender. But having it ripped away literally broke him.
Yeah I don't think that is the most important thing. It's that spirit bending got pulled out of nowhere. If they had maybe foreshadowed it and the idea that lion turtles are an important part of the world that can do things like that it would have been fine.
I’ve also seen several people point out this also seems to be a family friendly version of how in a lot of martial arts movies a common “fate worse than death” given to villains is basically to cripple them. So it kind of makes sense from that angle too. Not that I’m defending the weird deus ex machina aspects
@@eliswanson4195It didn’t come out of nowhere, the whole show involves spirits, the Avatar being the connection between the real world and spirit world, and learning about advanced forms of bending (blood for water, lightning for fire, and metal for earth). Spirit bending is therefore *air’s* advanced bending. You not paying attention to the build-up doesn’t mean it came out of nowhere, it means you didn’t watch the show.
@@DeathnoteBB
Even if it didn’t come out of nowhere it was still a deus ex machina where Aangs solution magically falls into his lap sorry. 🫲😐🫱
I really like the spirit bending solution! However, I think if it had been formally introduced/hinted at earlier, and something Aang had to earn, the ending might not have been as jarring. 🤔
"Slice of Life has always been a more popular genre than action/adventure"
Ah yes, the best selling movie Avengers Endgame, the Slice of Life.
It actually makes total sense. Thanos sliced life in half, and the Avengers put the two slices of life back together.
OH YEAAH! TOOTALLY NOT a movie full of battles and action itself!
Really? Avatar is super popular and it isn’t slice of life.
@@mackielunkey2205 I personally can’t stand slice-of-life
@@zzz43344 Prolly because of lack of action or some following similar setting/cliches assuming if they are slice of life high school animes.
Adding "Makes you a huge turd" to each message will definitely make people take your advice seriously as honest writing advice ,and not some salty complaint letter
and it will also totally make you seem like a competent writer and not like a kid who just discovered that you can insult people
Try telling her that and she'll just accuse you of "tone-policing". She has a buzzword defense ready for every stupid thing she does.
why does that sound like a terrible writing advice joke?
@@majora6767 Also called sarcasm
@@trafalgarlaw8373 I know it's sarcasm. It just sounds like a joke terrible writing advice would make. It's a youtube channel
OKAY as an archer, rule 72 is bullshit.
1. Bows can have so many different draw weights
2. Different people show muscle in different ways
3. I'm friends with a GB archer who shoots a recurve bow - she's not some body builder, she has muscle but it's more being defined - at the end of the day she's still 20 and still has a 20 year old's physique
Im at rule 13 right now and I am terrified of where this is going now
exactly. i'm an archer too and lily clearly doesn't know anything about archery. i shoot recurve. i've lost strength recently for some medical reasons but i used to shoot a 40 pound recurve and my arms were literally sticks. my uncle who ALSO shot a 40 pound recurve at the time was built like a truck. the kind of strength you require for archery isn't just a brute force huge muscles situation. you do have to have strength, but you can still honestly look quite small. hell, just look at some professional archers for that matter. most of them are quite lean with clear muscle definition rather than any brawn.
"As an archer" is an unironically cool line
Yeah, I think it's telling that Lilly tries to gate keep things in ways that reveal her ignorance to people that actually know what they're talking about.
I've found that the most important parts of target archery are endurance and efficiency. Drawing too long tires your muscles, and then you start to get shakey, making you less accurate. And shooting for long enough will just tire you out either way. It's kind of like bowling; you're really just focusing on building the muscles that make those motions easier.
literally some weeks ago i got a short in my feed where a literal archer was prooving that you don't have to be a bodybuilder to shoot a goddamn arrow
I feel like if Lily left her children's cartoon bubble for a moment and watched something like, say, Midsommar, her head would explode.
she would turn to dust if she watched The Sopranos or something
@@enviisyk Don't tell Lily about anything made by David Lynch
That reminds me of when I was 14 and I jumped straight to the book 'We Need to Talk About Kevin' after mostly consuming YA for a few years prior lol
She'd have a heart attack with no country for old men
She tried watching delicious in dungeon - a fantasy anime that has all adult characters aimed at an older audience and hated everything about it, ignored all the nuance, and hated that there are multiple tone differences per episode bc comic relief and serious moments can happen in the same episode
Honestly disagree on Aang being a simp, Aang has disagreed with Katara a lot
I specifically remember an instance where Aang was really angry at Katara because she stole a water-bending scroll for their training and it violated his principles even though he knew they stole it in the first place.
@@Tengokuchi I thought that was Sokka, but Aang did disagree with Katara about going on a revenge mission
@@sneakysneakyraccoon8538 Oh you are right. Sokka was the one who got mad at her. Their argument was when Aang was naturally good at water bending and she got mad at him. I may have mixed the two up.
Wasn't it also a big point of one of the later episodes how Aang was strongly against Katara wanting to get revenge on the man who murdered her mother?
Yeah, no he didn't. How often did he disagree with her? Katara was always Aang's main confidant and the first person he went to for guidance.
Why are so many of these "tips" just "Don't do this, or you are a huge turd." Just comes off as "I don't like this, if you do it, I hate you."
That's pretty much what is happening through out the whole thread
fr tho. The so-called "If you do this, you're wrong" tips make me less inclined to listen to the tip-giver, let alone trust them. maybe it's just me, but I'm personally more drawn towards "Watch out for this," or "be aware of that"
It’s just tips it’s criticism and is meant to say things that improve the skill you cant improve if everyone is telling you it’s fine you need criticism
Welcome to Lily's channel
@@desolatemess9612 The problem arises when the person giving the """criticism""" is acting like an upset child.
“characters don’t have sexual agency, you made them that way” characters don’t have emotions, you made them that way
Characters don't have [INSERT ANYTHING THAT APPLIES TO REAL PEOPLE], you made them that way.
characters, you made them
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" a a a a a a a " - My knee when I walk too close to the table
@@Luigicat11 Got a good gut chuckle with that 1
For any-one who knows about Earl Dube, does this sound like the inverse of something he would say to justify his Attractions?
Okay, but, the thing is...why do people have such a hard time believing in a character not wanting to kill people? I have moments where I want to sock someone in the face, sure, but...killing people is killing people. If I found out I even accidentally killed someone, it would turn my stomach. I think the majority of us would be horrified if we went into a fight intending to just rough someone up and ended up accidentally killing them.
I never understood the argument some people put forth about how "X hero is okay with beating down on villains but not killing them???" because, motherfucker, beating someone to a pulp is a whole different level from actually killing them. Is it so hard to believe that fictional characters would have the same hang-ups as us everyday people?
Because Lily is solely motivated by hate and violence. That's literally it.
I think the only scenario where it makes sense is where the hero is perfectly okay sticking knives in random thugs but angsts about killing the evil overlord
Play the game OMORI. It's about this.
If youre okay with risking giving brain damage or other terrible injuries to evil people, but not killing, thats a character flaw, and extremely selfish, especially since those villains usually end up doing harm or straight up killing innocents when they inevitably return
@@wheatleythebrick2276 A. I don't know about you, but I'D rather live on with a hospital visit, and some bad wounds, than be killed.
B. The villains are going to PRISON after they're healed, so unless they're going to arkham asylum, which will inevitably be busted open somehow, they're not harming anybody.
"Only have one straight white cis character" *praises Friends*
i mean i guess if you go by super old-timey standards (like "is the Irishman truly human" old-timey) only rachel counts as white
Man, she's gonna have a heart attack when she watches _Hilda_ , a show with mostly white characters - some of them even literally.
@@ARCtheCartoonMaster But Lily said she *liked* Hilda, didn't she?
@@zzz43344 Admittedly, I don’t watch Lily’s content, but yeah - she’s a hypocrite if she likes _Hilda_ after what she said.
@@ARCtheCartoonMaster Oh
The "boob armor" thing isn't even a writing tip. It's more of a character or costume design thing.
This is why I don’t care about what these people are saying cause boob goes as far as the fucking Greek mythology was written or spoken by word those goddesses so why the fuck is it suddenly a big deal? Those people just decided that this bothered them this year and now complain about it.
With that said, let me add - do not lump together "boob plate" with bikini armor into same category. First one is plausible if portrayed in practical, logical way, the other is just dumb.
@Tesla-Effect Even then, it would be only commemorative, the dick armor weren't use for real fighting for obvious reasons.
@@cractor6307 you know nothing of history. They were used all the time.
@@TheAnimationStationTAS I'm pretty sure they weren't. At least the dick ones. But if you have evidence of the contrary I would be happy to be corrected
The nonbinary shapeshifter rule ticks me off so much because being a shapeshifter is also a great power fantasy if you feel incongruent with any binary option you're offered...
You're totally right. My chosen name is Phoenix specifically *because* it's a symbol of change and becoming something greater; I think that's a mentality a lot of nonbinary people can relate with.
Right? I made my fursona a shapeshifter so I can just. Have gender envy at them hahaha.
@@PhoenixRising87 where did you get your profile pic made?
@@PhoenixRising87 Beyond the meaning you put behind your name, Phoenix is a super badass name too.
I have a dungeons and dragons character who is kinda non binary/genderfluid (he/she/they depending on how they feel, though he primarily uses he/him) and generally gender doesn't matter in the society he has found himself living in so he doesn't implicitly identify as such. He uses the spell "alter self" to transform himself into whatever he wants to present as at the time (though obviously he only transforms sparingly due to spell slots being a limitation, hence why he presents as masculine most of the time). We have a few non binary trans characters who use shapeshifting to live more comfortably. Exploring how the lives of trans people have been effected by living in a fantasy world with magic and abilities that can help them feel like their body is more aligned with their mind. It's also interesting to look at how magic and fantasy elements effects a societies *view* on gender, since perhaps some societies would view gender as more fluid and broad due to the existance of body altering creatures/magic
As a gay man, I hate this idea that characters shoul never conform to stereotypes. Lots of people in real-life do, the key to me seems to be to make them fully-fledged people with their own internal complexities, conflicts, motivations, and reasons why they feel more comfortable being this way. Flamboyant gay men exist and have the right to representation too, especially since for many it's as a deconstruction of gender norms, and we don't necessarily need a token manly gay to contrast him to, at some point it's falling into a whole bunch of different clichés. There's always room for nuance in fiction.
Yeah but she didn't say never she's said don't make your only "blank" character "stereotype"
@@themechanic9974 And even that lacks a lot of nuance. It's a generalization based on bad uses of tropes, but you can always find ways to use a trope in a more meaningful way, even if your "blank" character conforms to sterotypes about "blank" and is the only "blank" character in the story. It all depends on context, who wrote it that way and why.
themechanic9974 shut up simp. You are abelist anyway.
@@AlphaXXI Agreed, and stereotypes are essentially a kind of archetype like any other. The Rogue, the Leader, the sleazy back-alley salesman are archetypical characters. They are essentially stereotypes but they are ALSO useful literary shorthand, so we don't have to spend undue time establishing every single character in a story. This character might be a stereotype of that thing, and the writer isn't trying to be offensive, they just want to give you a ready-made character "packet" so you can more or less guess how that character will act so you aren't thrown through a loop by their actions. Like when So-And-So is a player. So when he tries to schmooze a lady at the bar and gets the hero and his party kicked out, we aren't left wondering "Well why did they suddenly do that??"
Besides, most stereotypes are pretty neutral in terms of how mean or nice they are, and I don't think most people care to recognize supposed negative stereotypes as legitimate anyhow. And any uses of stereotypes I've seen in mainstream media/literature have been entirely inoffensive. Things like "okay the gay guy talks a certain way and dresses a certain way" or "the jock is tough and a bit show-boaty but he IS good at sports and healthy and that's a good thing" and "the nerd is awkward but really, really smart and probably has some cool gadgets for the protagonist" I don't think anyone finds the idea of a jock being show-boaty or the nerd being awkward as offensive elements. At least no one whose being honest. It might not be flattering but that's far from blatantly or intentionally offensive.
Regardless of the stereotype used, my point still stands. 99 times out of 100 the stereotypes are there for convenience and ease of access for the reader/viewer, not to be offensive. And it isn't lazy, it's cost effective when you've got 100 minutes to tell a story in this movie that doesn't have anything to do with the pan-poloygomous demi-something's personal love life. He's just got a funny accent and a few boyfriends who will show up later to help distract the guards. Now let's get back to stopping the evil space emperor from destroying the universe.
I was wondering why that point of hers gave me the ick, and then I remembered how queer people IN REAL LIFE are pressured to “pass” and fit into cisheteronormative standards. “Not behaving like a stereotype” is just a more flowery way of calling somebody “cringe” or “invalid”, and I’ve seen it being used so many times online in the context of assimilationists trying to force others to dilute their identities and view their queerness as an unacceptable thing.
I will forever defend Aang not killing the fire lord, because as much as people think it's a cop-out to a logical solution, THEMATICALLY it's right for the series. The fire lord's life is spared because of the beliefs of the very culture his country wiped out. It comes full circle to the events the kickstarted the series, while showing both the fire lord and the audience that the air nomads' culture has value and deserved to survive. Throwing it away would have just been proving the villain right.
INCREDIBLY GOOD TAKE
I'm going to steal this take to use it against people in the future if you don't mind.
Big Joel made a video about it..
For sure, a lot of people hate the pacifist ending but it's all dependent on the story.
It also fitting because it removes the one thing the fire lord has ever cared about. Which if you think about it is probably worse then outright killing him.
To summarize: Lily watches shows that are inherently not targeted to her interests, and when they don't cater to her niche tastes that is a failing of the writers and not her own ability to pick what she watches.
There is literally so, so much media that is exactly what she would want if she would just go out and find it instead of trying to force shows with a unique vision to be what they aren't.
The fact is, she thinks her weird little preferences for stuff make her more sophisticated and intelligent than other people rather than what it really is, a preference. That's where it gets problematic.
@@Normaschthewanderer it's so frustrating because the media she wants is just out there, it's not hard to find
@@Ezekiel_Allium that's not enough for her. She wants all media to be like that. Any accounting for different tastes is simply people liking inferior entertainment in her mind.
@@Normaschthewanderer I am curious if she even knows it exists, she might be so caught up in her preconceived notions of various mediums she doesnt even know exactly what she wants is out there
Tweet at her to tell her to watch those shows lol
"I don't think kids will understand not sparing a villain."
Disney Villains Who Get Murdered Left and Right: 👁👄👁
Bruh when I was 4 years old i was cheering and whooping when prince Eric rammed an entire ship into Ursula. Like i like the idea of conflict resolution but alot of redemptions aren't earned and so I dont think killing isnt an option in media
@@savannahs.5874 definitely true, The Hunchback of Notre Dame, the whole movie Frolo was BEGGING to be killed. Most satisfying villain death in Disney imo, next to Scar from TLK. XD
@@ilikebeanies3499 OOOHHH YEAH. MR. FROLO WAS THE WORRRST
And Clayton’s death in Tarzan.
@@savannahs.5874 gotta love Tony Jay’s voice though, I wish he would’ve done audiobooks (his opening narration in Treasure Planet is the best!).
i absolutely hate the blanket statement of "never make a character kiss their abuser" because Captain Spaceboy from Omori is one of the best depictions of abuse survivors i've ever seen and he kisses Sweetheart before eventually realizing she's a horrible person (at least in the hikkikomori route) and beginning his recovery. that entire arc wouldn't hit as hard if he wasn't affectionate with Sweetheart at the start. you can depict toxic relationships, as long as you acknowledge that they're toxic.
Suggesting that Zuko didn't need to redeem himself suggests he didn't do anything wrong. He did, even if his motivations were sympathetic.
He was literally hunting down the avatar and eventually sicced an assassin on him after all
He didn’t kill anyone so he gets a pass
I'd also like to add on that if Zuko had just given up capturing Aang and had stayed in Ba Sing Se with Iroh, and that was where his improvement ended. Then yeah, I'd agree he just separated himself from his abusers and improved. However, he didn't just separate himself from his abusers. He went out of his way to find Aang and his friends, prove that he had improved and made sure they thought he *redeemed* himself. *That's* where the redemption arc lies, in him actively making it up to the people he hurt, not just improving himself.
@@nuhuhitsgreywater
Right? He literally joined Aang's crew, and then went on personal road trips with each of them in order to redeem himself. How is that not a redemption arc?
Thank you! There's too much blind Zuko defenses.
If she wanted to make passive-aggressive jabs at cartoons that she's angry with, that's fine, but she didn't have to glorify it by calling it "writing advice."
She is just like this. And, remember, #100 tip is literally just saying "why are you wasting your time asking for advice", while taunt-baiting anyone who would do a react video like the one you are watching..
@@Royalname31
Lily is simply a selfish hubristic hypocrite.
This is Lilly orchard were talking about. Dressing up passive aggressive winging as something more important than it is has been her shtick for years.
@@cherrypopscile3385 I mean, she is both figuratively and literally a "one trick pony". Actually, that would have been a good joke to call her during her brony days
@@cherrypopscile3385 I'm way out of the loop and this was in my recommended, who's lily orchard?
Lily: Stick with either comedy or drama and don’t start with comedy only for the story to become dramatic
William Shakespeare: Guess I won’t write Romeo and Juliet now.
Not just Romeo and Juliet, MOST of Shakesphere's work are comedy-drama hybrids at their cores. So in essence, Lily is pretty much taking a dump on ALL of The Bard's stories! What a petty, whiny, insecure bastard!
My thoughts exactly and precisely the example that came to mind about hearing that, great writing, as far as I'm concerned, is able to bounce between comedy and drama competently.
@@prunt23 Couldn't agree more
That whole dynamic of differing styles (usually comedy paired with something more serious) I think really elevates stories. You don't need constant gloom and doom, and you don't need constant jokes. You can let elements of the story get darker, like say as a character matures over time and learns more about the sordid history of the people he looks up to, but for fuck's sake tell a joke.
That would, like, completely butcher the emotional impact of stuff like Bojack Horseman. Tragicomedy is an actual literary genre for a reason lmao
How Lily Orchard can literally write some of the most vile shit I have ever seen and then preach that the best stuff is only clean and conflictless is insane to me.
SERIOUSLY, a story without a conflict is like ,,, legitimately pointless
@@dxitydevil Yeah. The conflict is the core element of storytelling that drives the characters and the plot in the first place.
@@poweroffriendship2.0 fr LOL 😭
Honestly my only theory is that the same self righteousness that made her feel special and justified in writing vile shit is the same one that makes her preach bland conflictless nonsense. She hasn’t changed, or humbled herself, she’s just found a new way to be better than everyone
The brain knows what's wrong with you and guides you to the things you need to actually heal.
I find it really ironic that Lily shits on redemption arcs but she likes a show like "Hazbin Hotel" where its entire premise is literally redeeming people.
It's because it mainly poses as a Slice of Life starring 2 lesbians, The most stereotypical flamboyantly gay personality if you tried, and Alastor.
I have to wonder how Lily would react to something like Bojack Horseman.
@@davidpaul6290 I remember a phrase from one of her newer videos where she was comparing a lot of adult animation to Family Guy, and listed Bojack Horseman as, "Family Guy, for abusive narcissists." Which Im not really sure how she came to that conclusion since even though the audience sympathizes with Bojack, the show clearly states multiple times that he is not a good person. I could try to find the link to where she said it if you want.
@@greggsilverson4875 Please do.
@@davidpaul6290 Found it, ua-cam.com/video/VUAu3prsGD8/v-deo.html
My quote wasn't exactly word for word correct, but close enough.
she put a lot of focus on best friends being actually romantic i know her best friends read that thread like 👁👄👁
friends to lovers can work but it's extremely creepy to put that on all platonic relationships. I have several friends who are female and am also attracted to girls, I am dating none of them.
@@queer-ios3155 Exactly. Itdoes piss me off that still so many both in fiction and real life act like there cannot be a genuine very close friendship between a man and woman.
Female and male lead grow to respect eachother therefore they must fuck.
A real life example with me. A friend of the same gender I'm close with. Constant gay jokes from his more slow-witted friends. It's insanely idiotic.
Bold of you to assume she has friends
@@Milklover-p4g I was literally looking for this comment. Did not disappoint. Thank you
All of her comments on friendships and romance being the same fucking thing remind me of my ex friend who got upset when I started dating someone because she saw us as 'together' without ever telling or asking me 🤢
Something I wanna bring up is as a DV survivor I think the “enemies to lovers” trope is really an inaccurate comparison of the majority of actual abuse. Most abusive relationships are the inverse: where you start out love bombed, infatuated, and enmeshed with someone and having a good, positive time and then as the abuse begins, you start to slowly begin to hate and feel entrapped by the other person. Abusers rarely just start out with violence and then the victim just grows to like them. Honestly most enemies to lovers situations I’ve seen have the two individuals in an existing IP - usually in some sort of fanfic AU where the major trauma and conflict is entirely removed, and they have reconciled their previous differences and grown to relate to one another in a healthy way.
Yeah, something like the twilight movies is way more harmful in terms of abuse than fictional, sexy, enemies to lovers ever was.
It’s something I never understood either. The appeal of enemies to lovers isn’t the conflict itself. It’s the tension in SPITE of the conflict that eventually overcomes the conflict.
Is it unrealistic? Yes. Is it an example of abuse? Not usually.
@Robert Allan in my honest opinion, whatever harm twilight could've caused was overshadowed by the backlash against it.
Teenagers might like the fantasy of Edward Cullen, but few would likely actively seek a real-life one. Meanwhile, much of the criticism was largely at the expense of dumbass girls who are too stupid to realize that this man is toxic.
So, like, who's the sexist one here? The somewhat problematic book or the person trying to protect the girls while implying they have shit taste for ever liking it?
this is why when I do use enemies to lovers, it's in a way that makes sense:
1) I make sure the characters haven't been a direct cause of each other's trauma and struggles
2) I make sure that they're aware of why they considered themselves enemies in the first place and acknowledge their feelings toward one another despite their rival status
3) Just overall make it make sense
Enemies to lovers is "unhealthy turns healthy" and love bombing aka actual abuse is "perceived healthy shows it's true unhealthy and ugly colors" so it's quite different
I will gradually edit this.
2:10 Spoliers (1)
2:55 Seasons and couples (2)
5:29 Friends and enemies to lovers (3)
7:22 Abuse victims and redemption arcs (4)
8:43 Heroes not killing villains (5)
12:50 She-Ra ending (Kissing and being revolutionary) (6)
15:52 Twitter and revealing story details (7)
16:45 10k body count (8)
21:06 Exception to tip 8 (9)
22:08 Wished to be there (10)
24:01 Pedophiles (11)
25:22 Don’t sexualize teenagers (12)
26:34 Excuses for pedos (13)
28:25 LGBT metaphors (14)
30:02 Non human LGBT (15)
31:32 Gay man (16)
32:40 Lesbian (17)
33:44 Non-binary Shapeshifter (18)
34:46 Autistic (19)
36:25 Black people (20 and 21)
37:40 Trans women being drag queens (22)
38:34 Women kissing their abusers (23)
40:04 Nonwhite sidelining (24)
42:24 Sexual agency and horny armor (25)
45:08 Addition to the above (26)
47:00 Not planning things out (27)
49:48 Don’t do Avatar (28)
51:06 Friends>Anime (29)
53:11 Comedy and Drama (30)
54:58 Worldbuilding (31)
57:48 Characters coming first (32)
59:56 Villain protagonists (33)
1:05:17 Stylistic choice (34)
1:08:19 Animators and writers (35)
1:08:51 Will and Won’t They (36)
1:09:11 Gay romance tropes (37)
1:09:35 Lesbian rapists (38)
1:10:30 Women Fetish (39)
1:10:56 Twitter and abuse fetish (40)
1:11:28 Rape victims being villains (41)
1:12:53 Straight man and lesbian (42)
1:14:21 Infinity Train (43)
1:15:28 Polyamory (44)
1:16:06 Male “simps” (45)
1:16:44 Mary Sue (46)
1:17:40 Emotional vulnerability (47)
1:18:39 Goblins (48)
1:19:11 Bigoted tropes (49)
1:20:52 Dynamic relationships (50)
1:22:08 Vitriol (51)
1:22:32 A bunch of irrelevant trash that isn’t writing advice (52-59)
1:28:52 Forced diversity (60)
1:29:27 Reclaimed slurs (61)
1:30:33 Fighting oppressors (62)
1:30:53 Heroes not killing villains 2: Electric Boogaloo (63)
1:32:00 Fantasy and diversity (64)
1:32:13 Sexual tension and chemistry (65)
1:32:39 Best friends to lovers (66)
1:33:24 Relationship defined (67)
1:34:08 Romantic subplots (68)
1:34:59 Slow burn (69)
1:35:38 Sexual awakening (70)
1:37:19 Boob armor (71)
1:38:16 Bows and arrows (72)
1:38:46 Tokenism (73)
1:38:56 White cishet (74)
1:39:42 Backlash (75)
1:40:13 LGBTA/POC suffering (76)
1:40:28 Fun storytelling (77)
1:40:48 Slice of life (78)
1:41:31 Feature creep (79)
1:41:44 D&D character alignments (80)
1:42:13 Rocky Horror Picture Show (81)
1:42:45 Queer (82)
1:43:22 Rape and murder (83)
1:43:32 Sex scenes (84)
1:46:27 Strong characters (85)
1:46:57 Peak TV (86)
1:47:07 Addiction (87)
1:49:21 Sunk Cost Fallacy (88)
1:50:33 Continuity (89)
1:50:59 “This is too political” (90)
1:51:11 Disney Movies (91)
1:51:20 Pronouns (92)
1:51:32 Self indulgence (93)
1:51:53 Monsters(94)
1:52:54 Spite (95)
1:53:06 Political systems (96)
1:53:31 Lesbian relationships (97)
1:53:46 Platonic vs romantic (98)
1:55:36 Friends saying “I ❤ U”(99)
1:55:59 Writing tips list and tips vs advice (100-101)
thank you for this lol
“11. Don’t pair adults with minors. That’s pedophilia.”
That’s a VERY BOLD thing to add in from someone who’s written Stockholm.
Pardon?
@@KirbyLinkACW Oh you don’t know? Probably best to keep it that way.
I haven't heard, but I'm guessing from the name alone there's material in there that would make her a hypocrite
@@bitbit5598 lets just say it includes the very subject she’s telling us not to write. That’s all I have to say on the matter.
I agree with this rule, but Lily should really take her own advice before preaching at us
There's a children's book called Hershel and the Hanukkah Goblins, which is a Jewish story that features goblins as antagonists who try to prevent a village from celebrating Hanukkah.
I wonder how confused Lily would be if she came across THAT book.
It's based on an old Jewish folk legend to boot.
Ive heard of that story and I had no idea it was real! I thought it was a joke, like Hanukkah Zombie from Futurama.
I never heard of this story but I so wanna read it now thanks
Now I remember where I've heard of this! In the Pinky and the Brain Christmas episode, they infiltrate Santa's workshop disguised as elves. When they're found out, an elf asks who sent them. "The Easter bunny? Hershel the Hanukkah goblin?"
It's true that some writers create goblins who are heavily coded with antisemitic imagery :side-eyes JK Rowling: but that's different from saying that they're inherently antisemitic.
As an autistic person, I feel so patronized at her attempt at bossing around autistic rep. Some autistic people are ethically dubious numberphiles, and as long as that's depicted realistically and empathetically I don't mind. (And lily's anti-dramady advice PISSES ME OFF. There are plenty of shows that do that really well, like Moral Orel.) And as a rape survivor- in my opinion it's dangerous to act like abusers can't abuse because that completely ignores the cycle of abuse.
Also, this could just be a me thing, but in the circles I run in, autism really amounts to a cluster of atypical personality traits more so than anything else. If a character has irrational and hyper specific interests, which they understand more thoroughly than anyone else around them, and isn’t the best at reading the room, does it really make a difference if the text explicitly calls them autistic or not?
May you please give the timestamp of the part where that happens? Thanks!
moral orel my beloved
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there's a reason the DH9 used to avoid diagnosing symptoms unless they started to interfere with day to day life.
the medical industrial complex started to get out of hand so if little jimmy started to act a bit rambunctious its Ritalin time.
Yeah my abuser was very much abused growing up. I mean I didn't know much about his life, but the vibes I got and the way he spoke about his dad (my abuser was my ex-stepdad) it sounded like he grew up pretty rough, especially since his dad was in the military and my ex-stepdad was a military kid. But also I agree with the whole autistic rep thing as the previous one is about nonbinary characters being a non-human shapeshifter, and while yes, I do agree that that there needs to be more nonbinary rep and more better nonbinary rep that isn't just "skinny white person who looks masc but is very much seen as just woman-lite". I remember being a kid and wanting to become a shapeshifter, I'm sure every nonbinary and trans binary person wanted to be a shapeshifter because it was cool as (maybe not everyone but most nonbinary and trans binary folks I speak to often say this about themselves).
Even the "good" tips are written so condescendingly that it makes one want to break them out of spite
Furthermore, the actual good tips are so embedded within that at this point these tips are correctly derided as more things she can say just because.
Like how 62, while completely correct, is just another SU vague post?
also "if lesbians like a character then they're better" shut up !!! lesbians aren't superior we're just people oh my GOD
No. You must hate every character I love and vice versa. Apparently.
@PHYLASVELL That’s Lily being a heterophobe.
@@theroleplayinggamer837 i get she's a lesbian herself but her weird obsession with lesbian superiority rubs me the wrong way and idk why. im a lesbian myself but like the way she acts seriously creeps me out
@@phylasvell shes genuinely heterophobic, she always get mad when a straight couple is in her shows and always blames straight people for everything.
@@phylasvell yeah, putting something so superficial (well, sexuality is superficial if you are not looking to court the person anyway) as this super important moral indicator is really toxic
There are three types of adults who enjoy children's animated shows
- People who are chill and like what they like
- Insecure people who claim they're actually super dark and mature
- Whatever the hell this was
ok, but defense of number 2: the last season of adventure time fucked me up.
@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong I'd say there's an important difference between someone like you simply stating it, and someone else who you can tell is trying to justify their interest in cartoons, and is really really emotional about it.
Personally, I never got over Infinity Train's third season. So I can relate.
I might be number 2 bc I never shut up about cartoons, but who knows
@@randompromises1038 could just be enthusiasm for a thing you love rather than insecurity
@@chandra_creatoryeah fair lol I just worry I'm obnoxious with it
rule 84 (sex scenes aren't necessary) made me remember folding idea's video analyzing a sex scene in tuca and bertie. in it bertie and her boyfriend attempt some bdsm but he accidentaly upsets her by calling her a bad girl. that whole scene was there to play into the show's themes of personal boundaries, and how being with someone is inherently putting yourself at risk of having your boundaries crossed, even if by accident. and a sexual scenario is probably one of the best illustrations of that.
im convinced that Lily has seen Dan's video (or at least knows it exists) and put that rule in there specifically as a response to him. i know this is the case because she does seem to have some kind of axe to grind about breadtube, although for what reason exactly i dont know
Have you ever read a fantasy book called Kushiels Dart? The entire religious system is built around sex, and how to use that in political intrigue. Each scene in th ebedroom we get to actually see is a clever exploration of the characters involved in it, otherwise it will just say something like «and we spendt that night in Nsamah’s embrace» or whatever (Naamah is one of the deities, it’s complicated). It’ such an interesting way to get to know our cast of characters. The scenes aren’t there to be hot, but to show who is selfish and who is domentaing, who can use who for gaine, and who can be lured into divulgin secret information during pillow talk. Every scene is absolutely nessacery. Lily would have a fit trying to comprehend it.
@@MissCaraMint no, never heard of it! sounds very interesting. i'll be sure to pick it up sometime
Sex is a valid topic to explore in media
Yeah, that was really stupid and shortsighted.
My favorite scene in the Berserk manga is a sex scene. Guts and Casca meet again after being separated for a year and finally let all of their emotions out.
Guts suffers from extreme Haphephobia, the fear of being touched, due to being r@ped as a child. Guts suffers a panic attack, due to the last sexual encounter he had being his r@pe. When Guts opens up to Casca about his past, he expects her to reject him and offers to leave her alone. She doesn’t reject him and instead offers him comfort and understanding. This all happens during a sex scene.
Like, all Lily does is watch kids cartoons about pastel unicorns and fairies. No wonder she finds sex disagreeable in her media.
The amount of advice about managing a fandom is so wild because, like
A) why would you give advice for managing a fandom to people looking for writing advice? Isn’t that putting the cart way before the horse?
B) what credentials do you have to be giving advice on this? You don’t have a fandom around anything you’ve worked on. It’s like a food critic going into the kitchen to tell the chef how to cook. Just because you’re in the space doesn’t mean you know best on how it works.
It's simple she made a typo it's writers tips not writing tip
She has a huge following around lots of her work what are you talking about
Also the suggestion a creator should engage with fandom is odd to me
@@themechanic9974
She also angered just about every Fandom she's engaged with due to her atrocious takes.
Her Pokémon one was particularly egregious, when she was complaining how Gen 5 had too much dialog and the story didn't make sense, yet she was intentionally skipping and not paying attention to any of the dialog.
@@nukclear2741 source trust me bro
She read all the dialogue how do you think she made the video about the story and what was said in the dialogue without reading it
If this woman wrote a show, it would be literally the most milk-toast non-challenging piece of media in the world. 90% of these tips tell people to go into a character as an archetype rather than a person. The archetype in my opinion, should be more apparent to the audience than the writer, because I feel that you should always write a character as a person no matter what their relationship to the story is, and then if they fall into a trope or an archetype, it happens. But it should not be the goal going in.
First off, because I'm a jackass, it's, "milquetoast." Second off, there is no, "second off." I just wanted to act like a jackass for a bit.
Samuel Button
Well, thanks. I actually didn’t know that.
"90% of these tips tell people to go into a character as an archetype rather than a person"
That's just Fire Emblem, though at least that has gameplay justifications.
It'll be Seinfeld yet less nothing going on and less ironic
They did make that show and it's called Friendship is Magic and she learned everything from it.
Lily never did that middle school worksheet where they go over the difference between facts and opinions, did she?
Middle school?
@@Stickman_Productions It was trivially easy, but yeah, pretty sure I filled that one out in 6th grade Language Arts
@@pigcatapultSee I was doing that before middle school in my curriculum. Like 4th or 5th grade, lol.
I got several of those
i'm curious now what that kinda sheet would look like and how much i'd disagree with it
I think her total dismissal of lore as a storytelling tool really reveals how little she engages with mediums outside childrens cartoons. Look at games like Dark Souls and Hollow Knight, where figuring out the lore is essential to understanding the story. Those are two of the most engaging games I've ever played, and the focus on lore as a story is a large part of what makes them great.
Lore comes first. If your universe is uncomprehensible. And stupid with tropes and macguffins littered about its gonna be shit. Korra shouldnt have had 3 elements mastered. We shoulda seen her master the elements. Lets look at halo. Master chief. Kidnapped at 6 forced into the military and at 14 underwent augmentation tgat killed 33 of his comrades. He hated that. He hated losing his team. So much it drove him to save any and all humans he coukd spartan, marine, odst no matter. Korra doesjt care she is selfish with how the world is she could start a civil war with one wrong action. The chief had zero choice in becoming a spartan, korra had zero choice in becoming the avatar but she still had free rang of action and choice and she fucks it up.
Lore is a pretty niche thing that doesn’t really exist outside of fantasy though, like someone who mainly watches adult dramas and art house movies would likely not care much about lore either. Like her tip is wrong but that one really isn’t some kind of tell
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Someone seems salty.
Children's cartoons also have lore lol
@@zeus28frenzy If you want to see a spiritual avatar mastering the elements, you watch AtLA. Korra is about a physically capable avatar mastering internal conflict. Aang starts out weak and becomes strong. Korra starts out selfish and bull-headed, given confidence by growing up in a much less hostile world than Aang, but grows as a character when she runs into problems that can't be solved with violence. The things you're admonishing are an essential part of the story.
Essentially she's saying, 'I only like bland, character centric, conflicless stories, therefore everyone should write that.'
No
ok@@themechanic9974
Yes it is
Little does Lily Orchard know that the term "Mary Sue" was coined by a woman.
Mary Sue, created by Paula Smith in 1973, was a satire character published in the Star Trek fanzine Menagerie. It was meant to parody the Star Trek self-inserts who were perfect, had the main characters fall in love with them immediately, stuff like that. I looked this up a few days ago out of curiosity and didn't realize the knowledge would come in handy so soon.
Point is, calling a character a Mary Sue is not always rooted in misogyny, and never has been. Yes, misogynists often use the term to describe any strong female character, which is annoying, but they're using it incorrectly. The term itself is not misogynistic. There is also a male equivalent, "Gary Stu" (but imo, "Mary Sue" could still be used for non-female characters; it's more an archetype thing than a gender thing).
TL,DR: Calling a character a Mary Sue/Gary Stu CAN be a valid criticism if given for good reason.
"Little does Lily Orchard know that the term "Mary Sue" was coined by a woman." My mind was blown.
That being said, women can be misogynists too. So the gender of the person who came up with that term is not inherently of consequence.
I'm completely with you on the understanding of what "Mary Sue" actually refers to (or used to refer to).
We keep losing specific words and phrases with very specific meaning all the time to generalization or oversimplification or just because some person in the limelight used them wrong and people began aping that use. It's a depressing degradation of language and thus thought. For if you do not have the words to express complex thought (even to yourself), your complex thought will remain stunted.
Sorry for going off on that tangent. It just depresses the hell out of me to watch this happen.
@@Brandiwell "We keep losing specific words and phrases with very specific meaning all the time to generalization or oversimplification or just because some person in the limelight used them wrong and people began aping that use."
... reminding me of the misunderstanding of "irony" kinda, here.
@@kereminde Yup. That'd be one of them.
I knew the term originated from Star Trek, but I didn't know the writer was a woman. Very interesting
So the ACTUAL writing tips I've learned from this video are "have fun, do what works, don't be a bigot", and I'm here for it
Yeah pretty much. Too many people conflate actual Lily’s bad ideas with her somewhat salvageable politics, and we wanted to take a nuanced approach to that.
Honestly don't even worry about the third thing. If you write any sort of dystopia someone is going to call you either bigoted or a disgusting commie, for example.
@@Fattts No you should definitely worry about being a bigot
@@DeathnoteBB no. You shouldn't. Because no matter what you write or how you write it, people are going to say mean things just to be contrarian. Being afraid of "bigotry" in your writing means a fear of inherent messaging and depth. People who only read surface level will go "wow author wrote bigotry in their story they must be evil I will go whine on **
@@Fattts You’re… literally doing that. Whining on [insert social media here]. So… 🤷
“(34) Perspective shifts are a staple of storytelling. Having only one perspective isn’t a, “stylistic choice”, it’s just crap.”
Apparently Lily has never heard the terminology, “first-person perspective.”
Steven Universe isn’t a first person perspective work, which is clearly what this “tip” is referring to
@@GabyGeorge1996 It's much older than SU. It also includes "The Hobbit". And I mean the novel... and I'm 90% certain other stuff is included in the "it's older than people think" but for the life of me I'm having trouble recalling examples with complete assurance. (I'm pretty sure 'The Three Musketeers' by Dumas was also a limited perspective work from D'Artagnan's view... but I don't have a copy any longer, and I'm told English translations are abridged.)
Good writing tips are usually applicable to any medium. This is not. Has lily ever played a video game? Most of them follow the same perspective, maybe even the same person throughout the entire playthrough.
@@kereminde But... The Hobbit and The Three Musketeers are adventure stories, so they're obviously inferior to a lot of things!
@@annaf7207 The version of 'The Three Musketeers' felt a bit less like an adventure book. I mean, not quite to the extent of 'The Count of Monte Cristo' but...
(A book about a man seeking vengeance and karmic justice for his enemies, amidst others who are harmed by them, and it's dry like whole-wheat toast.)
The “don’t turn a comedy into a drama, it annoys people” rule sheds some more light on her recent reaction to Dungeon Meshi.
One of the things I and so many other people love about the series is that tonal shift. It eases you into an inherently silly premise of adventurers cooking monsters and unravels into a much darker story about grief, desire and what it means to be alive. And yet, the series is still about food and how living is inherently tied to food!
But, according to Lily, no. None of that. The series has to stay the same the entire way through, never evolving or maturing.
Because, of course, that annoys people (her).
One of the other horrendous things on that review was the implication that she was a better writer than Ryoko Kui which is certainly a statement to make.
I mean… it literally starts by a character getting eaten by a dragon, so is it really a tonal shift?
jujutsu kaisen:
(honestly they kinda burnt people in EP6 season 1)
The thing that angers me about the series is the "I have to save them! But only after 5 to 5 business days." thing with that one girl that got eaten by a dragon.
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It was stated/implied in the story that the main party was going to reach the level of dragon incredibly quickly. They were ahead of another party comprised of trained warriors who skipped meals just to keep moving, even though they left at around the same time. Even with the meals, their pace was much faster than others comparatively. Them eating and making sure they were well rested would also help them fight better against the dragon when they encounter it, as they lost due to their exhaustion and hunger. Another thing is that Laios (and the rest of the party) believed that the dragon was going to be sedentary after eating Falin, which would both slow digestion and make it easier to kill. The dragon appearing on a higher floor was a genuine shock and it only did so because of outside meddling from another character. And that’s not even getting into how the characters think about death in the dungeon, due to the existence of revival magic and all.
Basically, it does look like they’re taking their time, but really they are going at a rather quick pace.
Remember: when it’s Zuko, he did nothing wrong on his own because it can all be traced back to abused, but when it’s Catra, she doesn’t deserve love or growth because she fought Adora earlier
It’s almost like people have double standards.
Don't let this distract you from the fact that Catra had :
- Almost erase reality and make Glimmer lose her mom.
- Scratched one of Octavia eyes out just because she's standing next to her.
- Send Entrapta to Beast Island.
- Abandoned Adora when she need her the most in season 5 ep 11.
- Scratch and Jump on Adora body just because she's hanging out with Lonnie when they're kid.
Even when Zuko was a kid he never act mean and rude to other like Catra
@@ValenArtsAnimation so? Doesn’t make Catra’s arc just disappear.
@@tylerleach8796 it doesn't matter ,Catra "arc" is poorly written anyway
@@ValenArtsAnimation 1: no it isn’t
2: why is “arc” in quotes? Doesn’t matter if you like it or not, it’s still an arc.
I'm male. Two of my closest friends are an asexual enby and a married, heterosexual man. I find the entire premise of #98 deeply offensive. Apparently these people cannot be my dearest friends because platonic relationships without a romantic component are *inconceivable* to Lily. What the fuck is she talking about? Can I not love my brothers? My friends? My roommates? Why is every platonic relationship inches away from being sexual in her eyes?
Seriously, I just want media to be able to show two men or two women having a close, platonic relationship and NOT have fandom twist it to be romantic and/or sexual. Is that too much to ask?
I swear, I've heard people complain that platonic relationships are queerbaiting when the characters are of the same gender, as though actual friendships cannot exist outside of sex. I've loved people as brothers, and that in no way means I want to take them here and now. Wacky tbh
Because she has never had an actual friend.
The people that spout this probably have a stunted view of what interpersonal relationships are about or are *way* too deep into the shipping thing.
This is unfortunately not just Lily and it's something that has bothered me for a very long time. I can't even talk about my male and enby friends without other people acting like I was in a sexual relationship with all of them. Later, when it became a knowledge that I'm panromantic, this have also included my female friends. Seriously, some people are acting like I can't have any friends at all without f*cking them. Can we as a society stop sexualising friendships, please?
"All people are defined by their relationships" is a BOLD take coming from Lily Orchard...
as an acearo person i laughed at this so much
@@yanstein8464 she wasn't talking about strictly allo relationships but yeah lol
Thank you! This made my day
looks over at the ex girlfriend she literally invented for herself at some point
@@n48_art Yep. Tara Callie; a side account Lily used in the past (Lily is now referring that account as "Allison"). The story is all sorts of just bizarre, so much so that Lily being inconsistent about her character that I am sure she forgot what she had previously established.
This video honestly helped me so much. At the time it came out I was surrounded by people who thought like Lily, and being lonely and desperate to fit in I was starting to fall into that "You must never engage with any problematic media or you're a disgusting person" rabbit hole. It was miserable being in that headspace, and what these people decided was ""problematic"" was abitrary and could change on a dime. This video helped me see how limiting that is, and helped me get out of it. Fun thing, thanks to this video's recommendation I did go and watch 'Snatch' not too long afterwards.
Another thing was also being in a book club with my friends from uni, and it had become an infamous running joke of me showing up having not read the book. I could only ever be on the edge of the discussion, never able to properly engage with what everyone was talking about. After watching this video and you guys begging people to engage more with different media I got off my ass and started reading more regularly again. Since then I have read some fantastic and engaging books. It was just the boost I needed.
I love that all the work on this channel encourages people to engage more with stories and media they love and share that joy. This video came out just when I needed it to. Thank you.
The idea of telling the queer community they can't use queer as a reclaimed slur to mean something descriptive or positive is baffling to me. I quite like the word.
I don’t know if Orchard herself is guilty of this, but as a gay man who enthusiastically reclaims slurs, I’ve had so many non-gay men tell me that using the f-slur is offensive to gay men. Like, who are you white-knighting for at that point? The fictional gay friend you fantasize in your head?
Maybe I’m alone on this one, but I’ve had all manner of progressive people (even other queers!) tell me very emphatically what I supposedly believe.
You could say that the whole idea of it is quite queer
Nevermind that it's been reclaimed for so long that the studies concerning it have been called "queer studies" since the 90s
@@sealogic4552 My ex-stepdad always HATED it when I called myself queer. Because when he grew up (mind you he's very straight and very cis, and very homophobic/transphobic/every -phobic) it was a slur. Like, okay cool???? I don't particularly like it when people use slurs for themselves, but they've obviously reclaimed it and I can't get mad at them because that's what THEY want to call themselves. It was just so weird. Congrats, I won't call you queer, is that what you're telling me? Iunno man, people can get really weird around slurs. Like if it's personally affected you, then yes sure, I'm happy to change my language for you. But when it comes to words I use for myself, do not police what I call myself.
@@mxmissy I know at least Lily has the excuse of being trans herself, but honestly, it is wild to see people who aren't part of our community try to police our language from the outside.
I've noticed a lot of similar issues with neurodivergent and disabled language, i.e. allistic people gong "no, you're not *autistic*, you're a *person with autism*!" Like, dog. What?
what really annoys me about that is that she's talking about all anime like it's some battle action show like naruto or cowboy bebop which are popular in their own rights, but there's SO MUCH character driven low stakes slice of life anime out there. "cute girls doing cute things" shows are more popular then some shounen titles. Bro K-ON is so fucking popular and it's just cute girls drinking tea and hanging out and it's so obvious that Lilly has not seriously interacted with the medium at all and just assumes that MHA and Dragon Ball represents all anime and is so smug about it kinda pisses me off
It’s especially annoying because ‘cute girls doing cute things’ and low stakes slice of life is exactly what she’s asking for!
And what most of the industry is producing tbh
I’m watching Keep Your Hands Off Eizouken (a slice of life anime that celebrates film) and it’s shaping up to be one of the best anime shows not only of the past few years, but which I’ve ever seen.
@Eric Lee Yeah, some of that stuff you described is what turned me off from watching that show, but I do want to watch it if someone tells me that it gets better (or at least, doesn't have too much of that sexual harassment stuff). Mostly it was that teacher joining the group and making them wear outfits all the time that made me uncomfortable. I liked it when it was just the girls trying to be a group and one of them overcoming her ADHD (my interpretation) to learn the guitar.
@@aug1014 Which is the irony of it all, that's ALL she wants. She doesn't want sexuality, nudity, violence. She just wants normal shit happening to "gay girls". Yet there's Yuri content that's JUST that too.
My biggest problem with her is her mind set. She's so determined to separate decisions and experiences in objectively right and wrong, while silmutaneously INTENSELY hating people who do the same, but with different opinions.
"She's so determined to separate decisions and experiences in objectively right and wrong"
When has anything in the arts field been simply about the right or wrong way to do it? Art can express numerous ideologies and perspectives, and incalculable methods and styles can be used in its creation.
@@Dimadick3 Exactly. But that concept completely elludes her. She is mixing up her bad life experiences together with her toxic bubble of the Internet with her "writing" experience. The result is that twitter rant.
You know Something tells that she’s just not a very Nice Lady.
That’s not a satisfactory answer but that’s just that.
To go on a philosophical tangent (btw I think your assessment is pretty spot on): There tends to be two primary world views, objective (there is some supernatural "thing" that dictates stuff like reality and morality), and subjective (there is no objective, every person has a different view of the world than others). Lily here seems to be an objectivist (which isn't inherently bad as long as you're nuanced about it, which she isn't), but an objectivist in a way that just screams EGO.
She judge sinners like Christ and gives her hundred commandments (and as humans who are not perfect no matter what you believe, we can't really effectively do that) and gives vague explanations for why. And like you said, the second someone offers another objective opinion, she gets all huffy about it.
BUT THEN she'll say some very subjective stuff, like how justice is a social construct and art is subjective. So I think at the end of the day, she actually just picks and chooses morals and things in life she likes without thinking too hard about them, and then demonizes and bashes things she doesn't like without thinking too hard about them. Because lord forbid you THINK about your own worldview. After all, if you did that, you might come to the conclusion that something you believe is wrong, and something you hate is right. And that is very uncomfortable for a lot of people.
46:17 so what im hearing is....as a bisexual I can write EVERYONE in impractical armour?
a winner is me
Warhammer Dark Eldar moment
Everyone gets any armor they want, so long as they can afford it.
@@zillafire101now hold on a moment.
The Dark Eldar do that cause the average person is more likely to kill a Daemon than they are to hit a Dark Eldar.
Alternate title: Two Friends Progressively Lose Their Minds For Over Two Hours.
Good one
You should hear our recording sessions for the Monster Girl Safari videos...
@@godkekliveshere431 Guilty of what, exactly?
@@godkekliveshere431 I read it; but it makes no sense. Because for it to be a “guilt”, a wrong has to be committed first.
And there was no wrong committed.
@@godkekliveshere431 Buddy.
Pal.
Friend.
You might not want to try and ask if someone else passed English when your sentences look like they’re being typed by a toddler with broken fingers and no concept of grammar.
"Mom ! I killed 9999 people."
"I still love you, daughter."
No! Pairing kids and adults is PEDOPHILIA!!
Lmfao XD
Daughter: *steps on an ant*
Mother: You are a disgrace to our family *beats the fuck out of child*
"Mom! I've commited multiple war crimes and have *non-consectual reproduction* many men, women, and children these past 10 years!"
"Awww, that's ok sweet heart, i still love you no matter what!"
"Mom, i got a B on math."
*get out of this house, you god damn disgrace*
@@fishingrod2253 *1 more kill to the list, gets 5 star wanted*
Can we talk about how she called making rape victims villains misogynistic, implicitly saying men can't be raped? Because... Yikes.
I hope that was unintentional.
@@aaaah540 Considering she used gendered language for general domestic violence as well, I don't think so. I'm a fan of hers, I wanna believe she doesn't have such a shitty take but it's hard to with the context.
I remember i swear she said she got harassed/r@ped.
If thats true *wtf*
@@fruitloops2058 I don't think she'd intentionally caim that, I'l give her the benefit of the doubt on that. I vaguely remember her mentoining men getting raped too in a video, but I might be mistaken on that.
@@SirBlackReeds *She's
Lily hating the concept of redemption is hillarious because:
1) she likes Hazbin Hotel, a show about trying to redeem sinners
2) pretty sure she needs some redemption herself lol
Now, to be fair, she did explain why it worked for her there.
It was all a fat load, but she did explain it.
@heavensgate2245 and sexually assaulting her sister multiple times in their childhood.
She killed 10.000 people?
of course she hates redemption, she demonizes her little sister for being a heroin addict despite being a far leftist
@heavensgate2245 that was a parody on pedophilia, she said so herself
the fact that lily will ban, block, and silence ANYONE who even mentions Steven Universe because she's "so tired of talking about Steven Universe" BUT SHE TALKS ABOUT IT ALL THE TIIIIME UGH
It's the only thing people know her for at this point (beyond the obvious of the pedo rape fanfiction she wrote). This is why you shouldn't make your online career exclusively shitting on children's media.
@@HellfireComms I'd like a Glass of Water, please.
@@HellfireComms Beyond thE WHAT????
@@monochromegreyson She wrote an MLP fanfiction back in the day that involved minor/adult pairings. It was called Stockholm. I never sought it out myself, but I think it was mostly centered around Rainbow Dash and Scootaloo?
@@tamayako2000 Yep. You're correct. I never read it either due to the subject manner but I have heard about it from word of mouth. Basically, Rainbow Dash adopts Scootloo and rapes her. At one point Lily tried defending it because she made a sequel where Rainbow Dash dies but from what I've heard, the stories kinda paints Dash in a sympathetic light and the sex scenes themselves are painted in a way that's intended to arouse as opposed to something the audience/reader is supposed to be condemning.
About worldbuilding and character development in general, it really depends on the author. Classic literary work "The Hunchback of Notre Dame" has almost every character die or have their character arcs unfulfilled, because in the work, the main focus isn't in the characters, but the city, and the cathedral, specifically.
Lily's only focusing on animated children-centric shows. It's easy to see she hasn't read/watched any other story from other mediums outside of what's most popular today, or maybe she has but decided to ignore them
@@100lovenana Yeah, the big problem is you can't make broad assumptions about storywriting with the narrow scope of kids media.
Worldbuilding is important because at its base, it is the setting. We, as an audience need to know where we are and the rules that govern. Without those, the story exists in a void.
Character development is important because it makes progression feel tangible. We see how characters have changed over the course of the story through the conflicts that they have endured. And often times, worldbuilding influences character development.
@Tesla-Effect I do know the context, and the real focus of the book reflects that, but in the end it doesn't take away from the fact the book is well regarded as a classic masterpiece, and a testament that worldbuilding can be at times as important, if not more, than character building, and that focusing on one or another doesn't make a story inherently bad.
@@100lovenana Even then The Hunchback of Notre Dame was made into a film by Disney
Most of the "tips" Lily provides fall somewhere between reductive drivel and personal gripes disguised as writing advice.
You are much better just watching Terrible Writing Advice and he knows how to use Love Triangles by putting them everywhere.
Lily wants tips if you know what I mean honhonhon
Not to mention everything in the thread is said in the tweets was said in her content, so as a former fan it's even more anger-inducing!
@@goufr3540 I know right Jp is actually helpful and positive.
Her writing is bad. She hates pedophiles but she writes about minors having sexual encounters. Total trashy hypocrisy. And her writing breaks a lot if her 'advice'. It's bad.
This reads less like writing advice and more like a manifesto against steven universe and she-ra
*And Legend of Korra.
Disagree on Aang not killing Ozai. As an Airbender/Buddhist monk, Aang believes in preserving life. The struggle was in Aang staying true to himself while everyone, even his past lives, are telling him the only way to stop Ozai is to kill him. It was a test of his convictions. When he's the one in control, with all the power, no one can stop him, what will he do w/ it? At the end, Ozai was defenseless against Aang, so now Aang has two choices- kill or don't kill. he takes the unknown third option- remove Ozai's firebending, which allows Aang to hold to his morals and render Ozai helpless. He broke Ozai, but Ozai didn't break him.
I think this quote from the film Schindler's List sums it up nicely- ", "Power is when we have every justification to kill- and don't."
The whole taking bending away was still contrived though.
@@colindowden2182 how so?
@@jeangentry6656 I was okay with it, but Energy Bending did kinda come out of nowhere. And the Lion Turtles were only hinted at....once, I think. Back in the Library of Wan Shin Tong.
It's contrived because energy bending came out of nowhere without any buildup or foreshadowed whatsoever making anng victory against ozai to be artificial since his internal dilemma of whether to kill this murdering psychopath breaking the code the monks thought him or to let ozai live and risk him escaping prison again to start another war is ruined by him taking ozai bending away which was kinda lame since there was no training scene of him using the technique.
@@colindowden2182 I always just considered it a less gorey alternative to doing the normal third option which would have been crippling him. Same result (Aang defeats the bad guy without killing him) but it means you don't have to demonstrate or explain that a 12 year old kid (he was still 12 in the finale, right?) mutilated a dude. Even if removal of bending is effectively the same thing for benders its much less visually visceral than pulling a bane.
Lily Orchard is the same person that said “anyone who watches anime is a pedophile” yet there’s anime’s out there that will suit Lily’s taste just fine. It’s crazy to me to write off an entire country’s animation because you can’t get past the mainstream Isekai’s. -_-
I genuinely think Lilly would shorten her lifespan by like, 50 years out of rage if she even tried to watch kaiji or cowboy bebop or read berserk or something. I think the only anime she'd like are the reallly cheap slice of life shows that come out every season. not even like, good slice of life
@@majora6767 I don’t think Lily even likes slice of life as much she lets on, I think she just gets off being contrarian.
@@alexgomez6723 she calls her favorite kids cartoons "sitcom slice of life". But I guess you're right, it's different from slice of life like yotsubato, usagi drop or dragon maid
@@majora6767 Lily isn’t mentally and/or morally capable of enjoying something like Berserk. Lily prefers works that reflective her simplistic black and white outlook on the world. Where heroes are purely good (even if somewhat flawed), villains are the scum of the Earth, and everything is as easily solvable as plucking the big meanie poopy head in the head with your fists or big shiny weapon, with no serious challenges to the viewer. Now that’s not bad thing in of itself, that’s just the nature of content made for younger viewers, but it becomes a problem when that constitutes the majority of your viewing experience and using that as a base for your “tips” to general creative writers.
@@alexgomez6723 I have never met you before. I probably will never encounter you again. but what I know is that I love you. and obviously you're right, she'd just dismiss it as "there's not enough comedy, Guts is unlikable and Griffith isn't a trans woman and there's too much sex" or something. kids shouldn't be reading berserk or vinland saga or anything mature, as it would traumatise them and they won't get any of it because they're kids.
also I have said it before, but it's really ironic how the idea of a woman trapping herself in a situation in which she has no past (in this case, wasted years watching kids media), and by that not being able to truely live for the future is a concept that fits both Lilly and Fae valentine. a character Lilly would fucking despise based purely on her design alone
In regards to rule 41: Anyone implying that someone who's been sa'd can't go on to sa other people or just be a horrible shitty person in general personally owes me a hundred bucks.
I didn't suffer through several years of sa, manipulation, isolation and gaslighting at the hands of my roommate only to be told by some mediocre halfwit high on internet clout juice to tell me that said roommate couldn't be considered a villain bc the roommate was sa'd first, before doing so to me But Worse This Time.
...it's literally called the cycle of abuse for a reason. and, it exists. my family is proof enough of that. i don't want to explicate further than that, but being traumatized and abused in your formative years is really the chemical X in making a sad version of *The Powerpuff Girls*
Litterally most known serial killers have been SA'd during their childhood
Perfectly stated. The thing that should be taught more is what I was told after years of being victim blamed is: “just because you were hurt does not give you the right to hurt others”. To add onto the video’s topic, that could also be a great starting point of a conversation/story we desperately need.
Yup. My abuser was also SA'd and instead of changing he used it as a reason to do horrible stuff to me. I didn't. People react differently to things.
I was sa'd by my older sibling who was older than me and had been sa'd themseleves several times. I grew on to be sa'd by two other people who had also been sa'd. They are effectively villains to me. This is the cycle of abuse, I am greatful to have not continued the cycle, but this rule is kind of bs. The people who sa'd me were victims but reacted with taking it out on me, usually younger than them. I didnt take it out on people. Victims can be victims and peices of shit simatainiously.
"Friends is more popular than any anime because it's low stakes"
In my favorite anime the highest stakes are either imaginary sequences or a girl getting bitten by a mean cat lol
*my* favorite anime has a cat girl bitten by a *squirrel*
The MCU is more popular than Horimiya or whatever because the stakes are higher, and if my granddad had wheels he’d be a bike.
Also, Friends existed at a time when you could only watch what came on TV and anime became mainstream much later on, when you could google different shows to watch. Friends having a wider reach (in the West) isn't JUST about the low stakes.
The real source of this "critique" is Lily wanting to pointlessly dunk on annoying nerds in fandoms having annoying conversations and arguments (focusing on pointless minutiae or wrong character interpretation, showing all participants lack of understanding of the material). So, she's logic'd herself into a blanket statement that she believes ends all these arguments. That none of the fandom BS is worth it, so shut up nerds.
Again, not writing advice and really dismissive of art, but that's Lily's behavior uncoded
Bro one of my favorite anime is literally about a socially anxious girl joining a band lol
I didn't ask to be born, I have to live with it.
My characters didn't ask to be written, they have to live with it... now if you'll excuse me, I have an over-the-top violent torture scene to write, followed by an unnecessary sex scene where enemies become lovers but continue to try to kill each other anyway, after one of them murdered an entire populus of 10,001 people and still gets redeemed anyway; just for you Lily.
Hey, some of the best stories were written out of spite you know!
I’d read it
@@c10ud_ten22 spite is part of the reason I started writing.
@@c10ud_ten22 Codex Alera was 6 book fantasy epic written to win a bet.
@@JukaDominator
>followed by an unnecessary sex scene where enemies become lovers but continue to try to kill each other anyway
i don't recall this ever being in index lol
About Rule 71 - I used to do fencing, and we had literal boob armor. We wore hard plastic plates on our chests to prevent bruising, and yeah, there were differently shaped plates for people with bigger boobs. Granted, they weren't as, uh, defined as in many videogames with questionable character design, but we did have them. Which makes sense! You wouldn't want to get bruises on your chest, and flat chest plates wouldn't fit people with big boobs. Therefore - boob armor.
Shadiversity has made an entire series of videos on the topic.
@@draochvar9646 Counterpoint: Shadiversity is Shadiversity. Jill Bearup also has videos about boob armor that are much better.
@@rabidrabids5348 ah yes, discarding someone's points for personal dislike, that engenders trust in your opinion.
The problem is
1) The definition is 100% the problem, not just that the armor is curved
2) Fencing armor is definitely made for lower force impact than actual armor
Really the solution is to take historical plate armor, which tended to have a gut both for aesthetics and the practicality of curving the armor to better mitigate hits, and turn it upside down. It’s practical, has historical precedence, gives room for breasts, and imo looks pretty good.
@@rabidrabids5348 on the other hand, Jill Bearup is a TERF. So maybe we need a third book armor video provider.
Honestly, that one about the only difference between a close platonic relationship and a romantic relationship was REALLY insulting as an aromantic person. It implies that aromantic people like me can’t have close friendships. It also implies that heteroromantic people can’t have close friendships with people of the same gender and vice versa.
FR. The DIFFERENCE is how your brain reacts to that person. There's a clear distinction between being in love and platonically love someone, which I don't feel cause I'm aromantic too, but there's a sexual and obsessive factor that create a distinction. Also wtff I literally consider my BROTHER my best friend!
Totally agree. I'm straight, and I would absolutely say I love my friends, but it's very different from how I feel about romantic partners/people I'm interested in. There are multiple types of love!
WAIT you're telling me there really is a difference between liking someone as a friend and liking them romantically? Oh my god am I aromantic?
I don't think the romantic type of love is special. And I am started to think that the romantic type of love isn't real. I mean about more than half of romantic couples either break up with each other or divorce each other, while most platonic best friends remain friends until death.
I think that having a platonic best friend is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse is.
Having someone who's like a sibling to you is a lot better than having a romantic partner or spouse. Also, you are more likely to be much more closer to someone who's like a brother or sister to you than you would be with a romantic partner or spouse.
People tend to fight with their partner or spouse a lot more than they do with a platonic best friend, and you never fight with your best friend the way you fight with your partner or spouse.
Partners and spouses are just temporary. If you break up or divorce them, it's hard to go back to them. With your platonic best friend, you're going to make things work, because they are your best friend, they are your go to partner. It's always easier to make amends with them than it is with a romantic partner or spouse.
Romantic relationships are pointless, while platonic relationships are not.
@@icysnow57cold64 just become something is temporary, it doesn't make it pointless or fake.
So, I basically came here because I saw another video responding to this thread and I just felt the need to marinate in it a little longer. I’m currently on #8 in this video and already “The tone of Steven Universe doesn’t accommodate the actions of the Diamonds” is a more cogent criticism of Steven Universe than anything Lily Orchard has said.
I don’t even think I AGREE with it but it’s something that can at least bear an argument.
Yeah even if it's something I massively disagree with at least it makes sense, and I know the reasons I disagree with it are because I have a different way of approaching media not like, factual superiority
"Sex scenes are never good" "Chandler and Monica are a great example of a good couple" THEY LITERALLY ONLY GOT TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY HAD SAD LONELY SINGLE-PERSON CHEER-EACH-OTHER-UP SEX AFTER ONE OF ROSS'S WEDDINGS LEADING THEM TO REALISE THEY WERE ACTUALLY KINDA INTO EACH OTHER.........
To be fair Rachel and Ross kinda suck as a couple.
@@Tommylovesnoodles That's the thing, though. Not all couples have to be perfect for each other. *Most* couples in real life are terrible, so it's likely to make Friends seem more realistic.
@@toxic_shr00m To be fair, that relationship sucked cuz Ross is kinda just a dick
@@toxic_shr00m no.... not in this case, because Friends often frames it as if Ross and Rachel are supposed to end up together.
Tbf the only sex scene that I can think of that adds anything is between Mr peanutbutter and Diane, only because it highlights how toxic they are for each other. Unless I remember wrong
“Don’t make a comedy into a drama” this is a direct commentary on Gravity Falls. Lily didn’t like Gravity Falls because she hates serialized shows. She wants every show to be like Sponge-Bob or Scooby Doo where there’s no over arching story, just individual stories scattered through
There’s nothing wrong with that either, right?
Mr. X No while I like serialized shows it is nice to also have non serialized shows with no overarching plot.
@@mr.x2567 no, she is welcome to have her own opinion. It’s just a bit arrogant to say “This will just annoy people” which is not accurate of everyone. Some people will very much like it. Just look at Gravity Falls’s two emmys
DId you see her "Gravity Falls is Garbage and Here's Why" video without watching it? It's a troll video that is literally just static. She likes Owl-House, Avatar, and very select bits of Korra, all of which are a mix of serialized and episodic shows.
@@deejaydee1578 I’m well aware that it’s a troll video, but she has stated without irony that she does not enjoy Gravity Falls for expressly that reason. She likes Avatar, but liking Avatar doesn’t prove anything other than that she has functioning eyes and ears
#41 "Rape survivors cannot be villains"
Interesting- one of my villains thinks the same thing- he thinks that because he was raped and knows how painful rape can be, that him coercing, manipulating and gaslighting his girlfriend into doing what he wants sexually therefore isn't that bad.
...oh my god that’s such an interesting concept for a chatacter
Can... can I read that story?
@@doooodle5603 Backing that statement; we need a link
Thats a cool af concept. I have a character who was raped and became a villain bc they saved her from it
@@ellarasei4404 y'all can't keep dropping the potential bangers and not let us see them in action.
Tip 8 reminds me of the undertale rules in which you can spare just 1 enemy and get the normal ending 😂
I completely forgot you could do that. 😂
To sum up lily's writing tips : dont make characters, make stereotypes but dont make stereotypes make characters, dont develop the world, but also develop the world, basically dont do x but do x
Jeez, it's like a cavalcade of contradictions...
Do lesbian characters but not like stereotypes because they're people. .. but don't have them being bad or having struggles like real people because i don't like it... Also they are not people because they don't have agency and you are writting them so...
this has the same energy as that "if i eated soap" tweet (not an insult)
“Dont do x your way but do x my way”
and now you see why “making everything to my subjective taste” doesn’t work, but is her entire frame work for how she views and adjudicates everything.
Lily getting angry at Aang choosing not to kill Ozai means she has missed the underlying, secondary conflict of the show. The secondary conflict of the show is Aang struggling to come to terms with the fact that he is the Avatar. We see time and time again that he is afraid of those responsibilities, afraid of the immense power within him. Afraid of hurting people he cares about because he loses control of himself. This culminates at the end of the story where the Avatar State activates and he is taken over. He wrests back control specifically because he refuses to become an Avatar that abandons his beliefs. "I'm not gonna end it like this." He has come to his arc's conclusion - he found the kind of Avatar he wants to be and he sees it through. Could the Lion Turtle stuff have been set up better? Absolutely! But Aang choosing not to kill Ozai was the only real way for his arc to wrap up. He defeats the main villain, Ozai, at the same time he defeats his secondary "villain," the concept of the Avatar. And we see how his resolve comes into play immediately after, as he willingly taps into the power of the Avatar State to raise the tide (using the first waterbending technique Katara ever taught him, coming full circle) and quell the fires. The last episode is literally called "Avatar Aang," come on...
I think something a lot of people miss, including the vid kinda, is the spiritual relevance of not only Aang not killing the Firelord, but how he does it.
In the philosophies like Daoism that Avatar lifts heavily from, the guiding principle is that the universe will always correct itself to a state of cosmic balance, like Iroh said why he couldn’t be the one to kill Ozai, it’s not just in ending the war, but HOW the war ends that matters.
Azula created the scar on Aangs back that when hit gets him into the Avatar state. It was always going to happen
And even the Lion Turtle is kinda a representation of the physical divine will of the universe making sure that balance is attained, so that Aang beat the Firelord, the man who held strength above all else, with compassion.
I’d even argue that what Aang did to Ozai was worse than death. The great Firelord, strongest fire bender in the world reduced to a shell of a man. Having to live out his life not only in prison but as a nonbender and knowing that his least favorite child sits on the throne.
For a long time, I was mad that Aang didn't kill Ozai. I felt like it allowed Aang to weasle out of making sacrifices. Now I realize the issue isn't so much that Aang doesn't kill Ozai (which I now think was actually a great choice), it's the setup. Almost like Bryke suddenly realized they couldn't get away with killing Ozai and had to come up with something near the end rather than having time to set it up over a season or perhaps longer.
Also, it doesn't help that Aang did a few things that most definitely caused some deaths (like the avelanche or being possessed by the Ocean Spirit), but we never see him struggle with that and it's treated with a "if you don't see a corpse, you can't prove it" logic. Still, I learned that there's a difference between "the ending sucks" and "the ending had a clunky setup" and talking to other ATLA fans certainly helped me differentiate.
@@VeWatchesVideos We do kind of see how those moments traumatized him. He has nightmares in book 3 about those scenarios where he lost control. The Ocean Spirit is one of those moments. Fear of his power is a pretty significant theme that he has to struggle with - the entire reason he goes along with Guru Pathik is because he wants to be able to control that power. There's a lot of subtext showing that Aang DOES feel tormented by the actions he took while out of control. He just doesn't constantly mention it directly.
I 100% think that if the lion turtle had been set up in book 2, it could have been a masterful ending.
I definitely agree with this. Aang’s beliefs as not only a monk but the last monk made following its practices far more important than if he was just some kid in a big civilization. If Aang lets go of his pacifism then he essentially betrays the last thing left of his people. Him choosing not to kill Ozai wasn’t a “cop out”. It was actually the direction the made the most sense.
About rule 72.
I do archery, and have for a long time. That was stupid. Yes, bows are heavy to draw, but 90% of drawing a bow is pure technique. It's not pure strength, as if you were lifting that shit. You would probably have a very muscular back, but it wouldn't make you "really strong" and definitely not stronger than a warrior walking around in full heavy armour and swinging a heavy ass sword.
And again, that shouldn't even be something to worry about unless you're going for a hyper realistic world.
Just learn to have fun ya dingus
Edit:
Addendum, cause its been months and people don't read replies.
Yes, swords are generally pretty light, but if you swing it a bunch your arms will definitely hurt, and yes, you do need some strength to fire a bow, which does end up building muscle in your back, but that doesn't make you "super buff".
The point still stands, if you want a buff archer, please feel free to do it, but don't try and say all archers should be buff based on a fact that isn't real.
Let people enjoy things, learn to have fun, and stop correcting people on threads about why people are hung up on correcting people.
What pound bows are you using?
@@xolotltolox7626 60 pounds usually, and strength is related to it, but like i said, mostly technique
@@patario5977 well, those aren't war bows, which usually are 100 pound bows, and while you can't pull them back with strength alone, technique is required, it still takes a fair amount of strength to pull it back
@@xolotltolox7626 sure, and like i said, strength is a requirement. But the whole overall point is that it doesn't require nearly as much strength as, say, walking around in full armor waving a heavy ass sword
@@patario5977 Swords aren't heavy