The Best Modeler in 2023? Fractal, Line 6 or Neural DSP?
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2023
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The landscape of the modeling world has sort of been a bit all over the place lately, but actually I think it's the more established brands that still present the most compelling options....Here's my picks for the best modelers in 2023...
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I'm glad to own a KEMPER Stage.
With the upcoming update about "LIQUID Profiling" for all KEMPER units, it will be another level ahead...again!
CHEERS.
The reality is that all of these boxes sound really good in 2023. The difference in sound quality is imperceptible in the FOH mix with a band. It's a matter of what interface and form factor works for you.
100%!
Yep, but then how will advertisers justify their existence?
Very true, I’ve run FOH with guitarists using fractal, neural dsp and helix, and how good they sound is always more about how they program their patches rather than which platform they’re using (and most importantly how good they’re able to play ofc)
"It's a matter of what interface and form factor works for you." - TRUE 100%
Fractal is better
Got a Helix LT and love its usability and sounds but would love to get onto the Fractal FM9 but out of my budget right now. I love how Line 6 continuously update their stuff! Its like unwrapping a new gift every so often!
Rabea said QC is the best. And after that he switched to Analog 😅😅😅
Excellent summary of modeler options John! I went for the headrush prime when it came out for its utility and ease of use. It’s delivered on that for sure but to your point it is quite huge. My office is triple duty UA-cam recording and music studio plus proper office for leadership coaching and private community work. It’s great to have an all in one platform with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth that I can pull out of the closet drop on the floor and switch into music mode in minutes. The tones I get are good but to my ears I do miss the creamy, smooth reverbs and delays I had in the fractal world.
I’m a bit fickle admittedly and may change again but I think I have come to the conclusion that an all in one approach is for me. I love being able to set everything up in just a couple of minutes be it at home or on stage with something that inspires me. We will see if headrush ups their game or not, that will determine if I stick with them.
Great video, I'll be sharing this with folks I know are debating. It reflects a lot of my experience with Neural, Boss, Line6 and Helix so accurately.
This is a great video. My pics in order are #1, Quad Cortex 2. Helix. 3 or 4 goes to Fractal or Kemper which I never really got on with very well but I keep trying. HX Stomp is fun but I can't really gig with it so it's more of a remarkable toy for me.
Never thought I would enjoy "Waves" by Guthrie Govan on top of "Looking for somebody to love" by The 1975. It totally works tho...
Fractal All Day! Customizability is a crucial feature for me - and Axe FX reigns supreme in that regard.
Support that I got was fantastic!
Thank you. This is a great video and I appreciate your comments on rating the amp modelers. 👏🏻
QC for me. Form factor is great, small enough that it can live on my desk while i'm playing at home, but is also big enough for gig use. Also it can run 2 guitars, bass and vocals through it at the same time, which has been great for my band to experiment with.
Love the design and the power and the interface for sure. And being able to have a guitarist and a bassist in one QC would be insane for small band live shows.
Thanks John for an informative review of the amp modellers available ATM. I have had a Helix floor for over 5 years, replaced the screen as it was deteriorating with lines of pixels. It’s been awesome for covers when gigging live. I have been on the Aussie waitlist for the FM9 for a couple of years and hopeful it will happen soon that we get some more down under. Love your playing and reviews thanks heaps. 😊
May I aska question if you don't mind since you seem to be well versed in electronics changing the Helix screen yourself?
The footswitches of my Helix lt is dying and I'm going to have to change them myself.
Do you have any part suggestions or instructions on how to dget in there and swap the switches out myself?
Does it require soldering and so on?
I have to agree. Although I still won't let go of my Quad Cortex because it's so quick and easy. It's pretty incredible that I can have studio-grade amps and effects wherever I go with the FM9. Also love that you used Looking for Somebody by The 1975 in your intro riff!
Man I love that tune - saw it live in January!!
How you can reduce quad cortex latency? If I’m playing a clean and then want to switch to a distortion, I love sometimes using a pick up of a distortion like a seconds ago to the bar. quad cortex latency doesn’t let me to do it
@@gilberthroca1003 depends how you’re using it. The only time you’ll get latency from the Quad is if you’re switching between presets. Try using it in scene mode or even just stomp mode .
I bought an HX Stomp when it was bundled with Helix Native on Sweetwater just before the Stomp XL came out. I'm happy with both products. I don't have familiarity with any of the competitors but I'm happy with the Line 6 stuff and have no curiousity about them either.
I can't really say I understood half of what you were saying but I absolutely appreciate you taking the time.. I have a line 6 Lt and I love it altho it never sounds quite like you make it sound but that's definitely me. 👍
I still love that particle reverb in the zoom units.
Beautiful lines on that intro! Thanks as always.
I haven't been completely satisfied with a modeler until I finally caved after watching all your videaos and bought an HX Stomp. Paired with a midi controller for extra buttons, it's perfect. Grab just the HX on it's own for practic with the band. Hook in the midi controller for gigs for more access to presets and snapshots. The HX just gives me the feel and tone I haven't been able to find.
Hi,
very good video for this, thanks.
I "use" a Kemper Head, Fm3 and Helix Floor. I'm a little tech crazy. However, I would like to downsize the collection a bit.
I actually decided to sell the Kemper, even if the new updates are coming now. Have the beta running, USB interface works well. Liquit Profiles , mhhhh ....
FM3 and Helix somehow have them too, albeit differently.
I had always liked the Kemper's quick operation on the rotary knobs. However, I always quickly do everything with the software. Here, however, I find the design really kind of cool ;)
I'll deal with Fm3 and Helix more intensively to find a favorite for my needs.
I really like the Boss GT-1000 Core. 32bit digital signal path is what sold me. The frequency response and clarity is off the charts. All of these modelers sound great. The GT1000 Core is a tiny pedal that does a lot of amazing stuff. I'm getting serious 80s rack chorus tones.
And has a great very low latency, mostly others compete with quantity, while Boss offers great quality!
@@razznote7586 I'm all about the 32-bit signal path. Pretty much everyone else is 24-bit still. I can hear it in the highs and the dynamics
I have Ampero 2 Stomp. It has 24 bit signal path. I'm really intrigued with how everyone is raving about 32 bit signal. Does that really make a lot of difference? I am inclined towards getting a Gt1000 or core.
Thanks
@@wickedmetalheadit does make a difference !
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I have one of each. A fm9, a helix ans a hr prime. I like them all for different reasons. The prime for intuitive quick setups, introducing others to modelers, and it is a blast to tinker with. The fractal for serious sound mangling and deep dives, good studio board. The helix is kinda in between. It is my goto gigging platform atm, easy to troubleshoot and alter on the fly, and awesome gigging ui.
The sound on all 3 are way anove what one would expect.
The Prime may seem large, but my medium pedalboard was larger and way heavier.
I still like pedals and amps, but that is more for my own enjoyment. There are times I can play for hours in front of my amps. But for taking stuff somewhere else to play, the modeler goes with me and the amps stay at home.
One thing most amp lovers rarely talk about is the inconsistency of amps, neon lights and dirty power hell, and the problems of dialing in amps in certain rooms. I dont seem to have anywhere near those problems with solid state gear. It just works.
Your mileage may vary.
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I have a Headrush mx5 for church. Also thank you for your presets and IRs for that, they are amazing! But yeah, the mx5 is perfect for what I do.
However, after using the NAM at home in the studio, I might grab a Kemper someday. It’s really hard to tell what sounds good and what doesn’t until it’s in a mix. That to me is the challenge.
The NAM with tone junkie’s 68 purple plexi DRT and your 4x12 IR with Sire L7V p90’s is chef’s kiss
John Cordy - "The Leonardo DiCaprio of modelers."
I suspect there are more one-liners where that came from. 😂 Keep them coming, John…
Lmao nice
Has a new one before the end of a gig 😂
Hahahaha.…. 😂
That Guthrie Govan Waves lick in there was *chefs kiss*
Why isn't kemper on this list? Its still one of the best if not the best sounding digital amp solution. Sure, the UI is a bit dated, but the sounds are absolutely killer, far better than anything line 6 has come up with, and the kemper hardware isn't changing any time soon so your device won't become obselete after buying.
the FM9 is 1699 $ in usa and it's 2319 € in europe (that makes 2452 $ once converted)
the diference of price is 750 $ between US and europe!!!
Thnak you G66
Boss GT 1000 Core. Hands down. Love your approach to the instrument, and your reviews are spot on, IMHO. Peace
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Your playing is so smooth they all sound great, is my only takaway... I guess as offensive as it is to say the touchscreen and form factor are more important to me than the tone, that QC can sit on the arm of my easy chair and I'd have an easier time figuring out how to use. Also your comment about the more mature products doing things better, makes me think that the short comings will see improvement over time.
As a home player, my favorite 'modeler' is plugins. At the moment, Neural Mesa MKIIC+ and Mixwave Milkman Creamer.
I would love for Kemper to come out with a standalone/VST platform so I can use all of my 3rd party Kemper files that I have filed away (the Kemper was sold)
Quad Cortex didn't cut it for me. Fractal gear - while very good - was too much of a tweakfest. Helix Native is good - but admittedly, I haven't given it enough attention. Need to dig into it more.
My favorite would've been the Fractal, had access to purchasing the unit with financing options been better than it is. But the FM9 has the best control options. The second best is what I have, the Helix, and I do love how with the Helix we have an eco-system in which what we can use with the hardware units we can bring over to software and vice-versa. I'd just wish that for the Helix, the footswitching was just like the FM9, we had modifiers like with the FM9. The QC is what I'd like to have been my favorite because of its sheer DSP power. But its control options are terrible. If it can have at least the same MIDI implementation as their plugins with MIDI Mapping, only that MIDI mapping can be saved for recall with presets, then that's all I'd have needed and I'd have gone with this. A while back, DV Mark made the Multiamp with the promise of it running Overloud TH-U. That never materialized, but if DV Mark would produce such a product and its MIDI implementation would've been more comprehensive like with Neural DSP plugins, Amplitube, or Guitar Rig, then I'd be going for that as well.
Glad to hear you touch on the Kemper for a bit, as an owner that arrived quite late to the game when the Stage was released, it's comforting to know it's still not quite dead. I was wondering for quite some time if I should've just got a Helix instead. I'm still pleased with it especially being unaware at the time that this is essentially decade old hardware at this point. Though I do prefer UI and flexibility of Helix and FM being able to adjust the circuit / effects looping and obviously this is the benefits of having the extra power those DSP chips can afford. That said there's some good features on the horizon for the Kemper with the new liquid profile - tone stack emulation coming soon, so that's something to look forward to, I suppose. It's interesting to hear from someone who's basically tried it all. Great video.
I couldn't get the FM3 react to dynamic playing or rolling down the guitar's volume pot in the way I'm used to from guitar amps. Neither with the factory default presets, nor with my own. I then discovered the Helix, which does a a great job at that. However the Floor was too chunky and it's a bit "flat-sounding", so eventually I ended up going for the QC. No complaints there, either. It is a bit of a shame, as I liked the tweakability of the FM3.
You sound great on them all. Helix is the right price for most players.
I finally got an fm9 last year and I could not be happier with it. It is amazing for live use and home recording!
UI ain't great.
@@MOAB-UT ? Have you tried it? I think it’s probably one of the best. It’s harder to use than some yes, but that’s because of how much tweakability you have
@@jasonwright4144 Yes Jason- I was on the waitlist a year, then snagged a FM9 Turbo. I loved the tone but the UI was pretty antiquated. I tried to deal with it since it is otherwise so good, if not a little big and heavy. After a few months though I decided to sell it (lost nothing.) I bought a cheap MG-30 to tie me over until Cliff decides to catch up with the UI. If it was $1,000, no big deal but for $1800 (ship+tax), I wanted better on unit editing. FM9-Edit is fine. I am not a pro so it probably bothers me more than you. I mostly do coffee table editing. It's also not as fun to tweak than even an Ampero II with it's nice touchscreen- $400. My MG-30 was $200 and the UI is a dream. Sure, they are not nearly as complex but still, bright, colorful and intuitive screens- Ampero is Touchscreen. Every parameter is where you think it should be and it takes less steps to make changes on the unit. I know some pro's who leave their FM9 at home and take their Stomp to gigs given it's form factor and superior UI. I don't like the tone or effects in the Stomp nearly as much but in a mix you would be hard pressed to tell any difference. To each their own. I will replace the FM9- hopefully soon but not until they revamp that dated UI. A MKII Turbo version won't likely be enough. I will wait years if needed. Fortunately for me, I am just a hobbyist bedroom player so it's no big deal. I love great tone though. In 2023 these things should have color touchscreens, bluetooth and be easy to use.
Saw your jams- pretty cool. I like your Jazz Vibes playing. I just learned the trick to play along with any major scale using the well known pentatonic shapes- works great. You are like me- you lean heavy on the scales. I need to learn more riffs to make it sound more musical and less scale like. I like my shapes though! Now if they came out with a modeler that made me play better I would buy one!
Have you discovered this cat yet? Sean Mann out of UK- one of the best players I ever heard- spot on to SRV, Mayer, Hendrix ua-cam.com/video/tBN7zJ-QdUQ/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SeanMann and ua-cam.com/video/acyEqcWG-54/v-deo.html&ab_channel=SeanMann I might take some of his online lessons. He uses the Line6 Helix Native plug in. His tone is spot on- I mean spot on.
Cheers- keep Rockin'- you sound great! 😀
I got the FM9 it's kinda perfect. sure I'd like it to be smaller or lighter and thiner but that a not what its about is it :) I love the Divided By 13 FTR37 and the 6G4 amps best and the Euro Red for hot shred solos with a Super OD kicking it in the arse.
For me the Atomic Amplifire 6 is the best.... I love the sounds and "feel" I get from it, and the size/form factor is perfect. Sadly it seems like support and updates have totally declined, and I have to have an old macbook just for the purpose of using the Atomic editior as it's not compatible with newer macs. I dread the day the Amplifire fails on me, because I really do not know what I would replace it with.
The issue is also the learning curve-I looked at the Kemper, Helix, Fractal (FM3's are out of stock) and buying a used profiler/modeler is a recipe for wasted money and heartache.
Have researched (heaven forbid) the IK Multimedia Tonex- Most if not all videos are the same-full of chuga, chuga, chuga ad nauseum!! The gear is full of so much information that you need to push, press, tweak, download, along with countless subscriptions (Steinberg comes to mind) the performance ends up being compromised before ever setting foot on stage in a solo, duo or full band setting.
At this point in time, it looks like a Quad Cortex in my future for the graphic method it utilizes.
Thank you kindly John.
Tough call with the HX Stomp prices creeping up. Used to be about $200 cheaper here in Canada. If you don’t mind used, and LT can be had for only a few hundred more.
Pod Go for me. My needs are very basic, I'm on a budget, it's compact, and I don't like taking expensive gear to dodgy gigs. Pod Go, Marshall DSL40cr or Fender Hot Rod Deluxe and I'm good. (The FM9 is on my wish list though.)
For my bedroom guitar adventures the Helix LT is the best. It can do anything I would want and then some and I got a demo model with Helix Native for 800 bucks.
If my FM3 and my QC would just get jiggy, I reckon the result would be just about perfect.
Awesome. 👍 Possible to make a video of the best Budget Modelers that most of us can afford? 🙏
I think the line 6 Pod Go is a great option
@@catsven1973Nux... Line 6 is not budget
@@metallica3604 I bought a used Line 6 Pod Go for $200. It’s one of the best purchases I’ve made. They routinely sell for under 350 used.
@@metallica3604 yeah it’s a bit expensive but you got for the money .. under that price you spend money to get bad sounding stuffs .. consider the Pod Go it’s a great deal .. I prefer putting money in serious stuff than buying anything that I ll regret the next day..the pod Go brand new is in the price of the Pod HD back in the day.. in 2009 I bought a pod X3 live 480€ .. and the helix LT in 2018 for 980€.. you can find nice deals as Edward said like under 300$/€.. whether it’s HX stomp or a pod Go.
@@edwardprete yeah very possible.. and indeed it’s a great deal .. congratulations.
1:00 woah woaaah woooaaah sneaking some guthrie govan waves in there ? Nice little Easter egg. Perfect
Great reviews and playing as always.....have you had any experience with the budget/beginner friendly Nu-X MG400 at all and if so do you have any opinion on it?
Boss still have amazing feeling, though. Their modellers sound phenomenal, imo. And this comes from someone who has a FM3 and Kemper Stage along with a GX-100. We are all victims of marketing :-)
I have a Yamaha Dreamstomp incoming, that’s one I look forward to.
I liked their approach of not doing every amp in existence.
nice compilation,
I absolutely believe that all of them have advantages and disadvantages.
Catpure is completely uninteresting to me because I don't even have an amp, only digital.
For me, the most interesting are still my Line6 Floor and the FM3, although I find the FM9 interesting.
The Kemper is already cool for cool profiles.
In terms of operation, I still like the Helix best.
After the big update of the L6 cabs, I would now like to know whether Fractal still has that much better sound. Or whether L6 "caught up" old.
All the new ones on the market, Headrsuh, Fender Tone Master actually don't interest me at all, even more so in the same market.
Boss GX 100 for me works, easy to dial in, super low latency, more than 2 delays, and doesn’t break the bank. 🤘🏻
I am blown away how good mine sounds now that it's dialed in. Glad to finally hear someone give the GX100 the recognition it deserves.
Same here. I had the Helix, a Kemper Stage and a Headrush. Nothing satisfiying me more than the GX100. It does everything I need. Sure you need to do your own Presets but thats fun and easy. I have access to 2 Gain Stages, 2 Modulation Effects , 2 Delays , Volume Pedal / Wah and a Looper direct on the board and I use it like a Pedalboard .
Love the Guthrie Govan reference in the opening jam!
I’ve used Helix from the beginning, and now I’ve added a TONEX (and a Boss SY200 for kicks) to my board, so I’m pretty set. The Stomp can’t route the way I need, but I gave one to my son for his bass.
How do you like the tonex? I was considering using it with my hx effects and using an frfr speaker with it.
@@adamfiedorczuk5969 It’s very capable, and quite a bargain. Of course it totally depends on the captures, but when you find ones you like, it feels great to play. I love it.
I have a HELIX Floor & a FM3 with the FC6. I put the HELIX over the FM3 because it’s really easy to edit live on the unit. The FM3 for me is just not user friendly unless you’re using the editor which is great, so I keep it at home for studio use. Also think the FM3 is overall just harder to get good sounds from the ground up because it has so many parameters, but the presets out the box sound great though. I looking to have a smaller footprint so looking into designing a board around the STOMP XL, but will have to maybe use a couple pedals due the block & DSP limitation. I think it’d be great if Line6 came out with a STOMP XL with dual chips (XL MKII?????). That would be awesome IMO.
I have the same combination, I just can't make up my mind to downsize my "collection" a bit, the Kemper is still there too.
I find the FM3 with the FC6 better than the Helix.
Works well with the FC6. If you work with the editor no problem. On the device, this is "nicely" solved with the Helix, in my opinion it's just a matter of getting used to it.
I'm more considering selling the Kemper, Helix and the FM3 combination and only trying the FM9
if you are a gigging guitar player, playing for other bands and singers then get an FM9 cause all you need is there to achieve what they gonna ask you to do, but if you are playing your stuff and you got amps you need to capture then the quad cortex or even tonex would be the option i would suggest
The Neural plugins have been the best for me. I think they have all risen to a level to where…whatever you find works for you is the best for you. As they say…it’s a great time to be a guitarist. So many great choices!
I’m a huge fan of my FM9. Sold a QC and don’t really miss it. Also have a stomp. I would love a stomp xl 2.0 with scribble strips and double the DSP. I think that would really contend with the FM9
What have been the biggest differences between the QC and FM9 for you?
@@josuastangl7140 so since I posted this I have flip flopped again. I repurchased the QC and have been doing more head to head comparisons lately. The FM9 sounds amazing and the effects are top notch. The reverbs are soo good. But the interface is clunky and I’m so dependent on the desktop editor that it would be challenging to make tweaks on the fly even though they have thought of some slick features for that like global controls for reverb mix, amp gain, etc. the QC also sounds great and I love the interface. It’s just so natural to tap on the block you want and twist the foot switches to edit your parameters. So quick and satisfying. The reverbs and delays in the QC sound nice too but maybe less “immersive” if that’s a thing. But more portable footprint which is nice. They’re both awesome. I think ill keep both because they are both so inspiring. I don’t think you can go wrong
Anyone who feels that the Fractal range is too expensive, add up the total value of all the stuff on your pedal board. A couple Strymons or an h9 blow the budget right there. Pretty funny to watch people with a straight face say that an FM3/FM9 are too expensive while standing next to their 3k+ pedal boards.
Well, it surely is way more expensive than stomp xl or lt so
Nearly 3 years in with a Helix floor and it still amazes me, especially with all the updates I've had over the years - Peavey Invective, Revv etc... Only had cheaper stuff before the Helix - Digitech/Zoom etc... so this blows them out of the water. The user interface is nigh on perfect and their customer service is superb too!
This is a really informative video. What interests me is - why would someone go out and buy an eventide H90 today vs one of these multi effect units? I just don’t understand. If you’re limited to what are essentially 2 “blocks” on the eve tide what are you getting? Are there proprietary algorithms? Is that even such a thing?
long time Helix user. I got my name called from Fractal's waiting list (FM9) last summer after over a year of waiting. I bought it because, "Fractal's the best". well, not really. it's presets sounded astounding compared to Helix presets, but none of it's presets sounded better than any of the patches i created. gave it a fair shake for a couple weeks and decided to sell the FM9. i did not gouge like so many do with this unit. sold it for what i paid, plus $100 to factor for my round trip drive from MA to NH to pick it up. zero regrets w/Helix.
Nice.... Wouldn't a stomp with this sort of dual snapshots be fabulous. The limit of 3 or 4 snapshots in the HX lineup has never made sense to me. Yes you can get around it easily with midi controllers but there is such a speed and simplicity in the helix command center and snapshot world that could so easily be bumped up surely across the HX series.
I agree. I also think that the line should ramp up processing power: Stomp as is, XL slightly more, LT a little more, Helix floor and rack the most or even add more to the rack.
Hey, you think I didn’t notice the “Wave - by Guthrie govan ” phasing in the beginning?
Very slick ! 😂❤
Heard some By Far and Away in that intro jam!! Very tasteful!
my helix floor and my fractal fxIII ? Fractal IS so practical AND SOUND FANTASTIC
It's good but not free from the digital harshness... But your playing is just beautiful😍❤
lol
Can't believe there still are people who criticize modelers for sounding digital in 2023
Amazing playing! Love my FM3
I love the Boss GT1000 for how it sounds and just how nice it looks. But I got rid of it for the reason you were saying - Boss wouldn't update it. I rather get my resell value out of it before Boss. replaces it with a new unit. That's what they do, instead of offering updates.
But I will be getting the Boss ME-90 because the form factor is incredible and I can get those sounds from the GT1000 back.
Other than that, I'm still searching for the perfect one. Coming from the GT1000, the DSP limitation on the HX stomp is disappointing. I may like the Helix.
I don't cate much for profiles. I prefer modeling because I like being able to learn what the knobs on the real piece of gear do and I think Line6 does a good job with that nowadays.
As a bass player, it's the HX Stomp XL all day, everyday.
I really want to buy an HXstomp but I am scared that Line 6 will release an updated version soon.
Even if they did, the XL is a fine device in its own right and I don’t regret it or my Helix Floor. 👍🏽 But with confidence.
It’s not that old, I doubt a new one is coming in the next 2 years.
“Sort of like the Leonardo DiCaprio of modellers” 😂🤚 you 💀 me
About a minute in, you hit a run that sounds so much like Govan’s Waves.
Sick.
Fractal FM9 for me. Yes, the UI of Helix is better, but the FM9 makes it really easy to get the sounds I want - just set it and forget it. Tube amp has been gathering dust ever since I got it.
Wekk I have the beat Axe FX 3 Mk 2, and the Best Bang, HX Stomp. Also have a TOnex pedal, well, because I can.
I have both; the Quad Cortex and the Fractal FM9, Fractal blows the Quad away, in every aspect of sound, effects, support, desktop editor.
Interesting. I thought about getting a Quad Cortex, to have something more portable for rehearsals, since I don‘t want to move my whole rack with the Axe FX 3 with additional cases. The FM9 would be then be the obvious choice. What made you essentially to prefer the FM9 over the Neural Quad Cortex?
@@canyonrider9 so many reasons, from stability, reliability, to Software and Firmware but the ultimate test/reason is actually quite simple; For sound, the FM9 blows the QC away it sounds fantastic.
Nice Waves integration. Guthrie is the best
Would you still recommend the FM3 over the QuadCortex? The FM3 is now MkII but also got a bit more expensive (at least in EU). QC now has a desktop editor and the price dropped quite a bit. So the price gap got smaller and the missing editor is fixed….
To me the Fractal has that squelchy scrinchy scratchiness in the tone similar to my MG 30 which uses similar whitbox modeling algorithm . The Helix doent have it in your demo and it sounds better to me. Incidentally the MG30 has your presets in it ,which I like. I live in Australia where costs are way higher due to shipping and seemingly arbitrary currency exchange value against the World money LOL
I was about to pull the trigger on a Headrush Prime when I saw the price in US dollars, I balked, when I saw the price in Australian dollars :)
Hi John, Do you have any new presets for Hx stomp 3.65? In google drive I only see up to version 3.1. Thanks.
Hi John i've noticed that the current Reverb advert has a strangely simular voice over to yours.
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What modeler is best for playing in such genres like posthardcore / djent?
HX stomp xl is great but the looper sucks as it can’t midi sync. Line6 should copy the way the boomerang iii looper was done. I love how i can program the loop buttons as independent control buttons outside of the loop mode though. It could be improved by adding the long press option on the buttons too. Maybe adding an inboard drum machine would be nice too. The mode button should be programable by the user too… i have a physical nut bolt on it right now so i cant accidentally step on it on the heat of the battle. Freakout ability is not yet there… hope they can fix these items but over all im happy with my purchase.
Really interesting video man. Is there a link to the Cliff Chase studies? Would be cool to include Atomic in there as well. Heard it uses same DSP chips as fractal?
I thought Atomic and most of them used SHARC chips. Admittedly I don't keep up with the innards, but Boss uses their own chip, which must be pretty powerful, because GT-1000 core never seems to get warm.
I own a Line 6 floor and Stomp been seeing videos posted that its becoming obsolete, really cant aford to replace it at this time and was hoping they'll come out with an update that will make it more competitive. Whats your thoughts ?
Kemper delays and verbs are awesome.
Any link for the aliasing comparison? Thanks!
I demoed the Stomp and the FM3, chose the FM3 and quickly added an AxeFXIII MKII Turbo to the home studio. I never thought I would adopt modeling but right away with the Fractal gear I was getting Fender and Marshall and MESA/Boogie sounds I'd wanted since I was a kid, without the headaches of crazy sound-pressure levels. And that's a lot of what is in the Fractal, sure, but there's so much more. My main live tone is a model of a Dr. Z amp, for example.
John taught me you can sound great through anything, though. Fractal is far and away the best, most complete package out there IMO.
When they come out of beta, Fractal's new Dyna-cabs are going to make IR selection much quicker and easier.
I'd say stomp XL is a perfect combination of convenient size and enough footswitches for giging
Maybe with one duel mode expression pedal.
Currently using the Helix LT but I might switch over to Stomp XL down the line.
I do that! With pedals
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May I ask what do you do with pedals you mean?
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Oh do you mean switching over to Stomp XL with more real pedals on the side?
Quad Cortex is #1 for me. Tone, UI and form factor are huge wins imo. I still love the Helix, it will always hold a special place in my ❤.
mine broke unfortunately
@@johnnathancordy How so? Rather worrying to hear
@@johnnathancordy Sorry to hear. Hopefully, you get it sorted out. I’m still having amazing results with mine
Line6 Helix LT all the day (because I don't have the money for an AXE FX-3 LOL)
Fractal is in a league of its own, in the other leagues Line6 wins hands down and it's the most pro active in releasing significant updates.
Also, the Line6 products always work, they're insanely reliable
I have had many modelers..I like fractal the best..the Atomic. Then .Helix..just talking amp sound and feel.
Would like to know more about Ampero II
Headrush and Mooer
Are the Kemper and Tonex actually modelers? I thought they were profilers.
i agree. as a helix XL user, fractal is end game but thats maybe if i start making money from music. idk about hobby usage.
What do you think of the new Headrush Core?
Today, l subscribed. I have watched your videos and not subscribed for quite a while. I play a Kemper and have for probably 7 yes now. Your more in line with Line 6 and seems like any option as long as it’s not a Kemper. That being said I would be frustrated at your videos and opinions. The latest line 6 update features presets from you right? So with that said, l understand your position a bit better. I always offer you a thumbs up and l do enjoy your playing. Please don’t give up on the Kemper.
Fractal FM9 for the win.....not a fan of Axe Fx but there's something about the former that i wanna own it and use for the next 25 years of my life
am rythm guitar player, would that make a difference on the selection?😢erencee
I HEAR GUTHRIE HELL YEAH
Nice little Guthrie in that second tone 😂 👍🏽
Boss - 40 simultaneous effects wotevs (30 of them are eqs). Boss has so much going for it if you’re adventurous, except they cheapskated on the processing. Then they can’t claw it back because they don’t use dynamic dsp. I long for boss to push the boat out - really go for it. They could wipe the floor with everyone.
Hi, i have got FM9. Untill this moment "the best" from all modelers like Kemper, Helix, Boss etc...
I think the Helix is the one that has it all regarding the price too
Many of the modern modelers can sound extremely good. For studio recording, practicing through headphones, practicing quietly and in a live situation through a bigger PA. But where I don't think they compete with the real thing is how good the actual amps sound to the player themselves; in a room, cranked, either in a rehearsal situation, practice where volume isn't an issue or in a pub to small venue type situation. Though, I think professional guitarists can adjust to that, just as Noel Gallagher said, IEMs are weird to begin with, then you adjust. Until then it becomes impractical to not use them. But for inspiration factor, like when song-writing, the less than great in-room sound of modelers doesn't inspire. That's the problem with modelers. There are distinct scenarios. Practicing is one , song-writing is a whole other, recording another, live performance yet another. For song-writing, a great acoustic can be best. For practice sound that inspires, or rehearsal or small venue, I'd take a small tube amp, like a Vox AC15, pushing very very hard over a modeler any day.
Yeah but you can 4 cable method and USE YOUR AMP. I do this. I also use a buffered A/B/Y switch and invite two studio monitors to the party. Tip- your drum track will sound amazing coming out of quality studio monitors because of the tweeters. Crispy. Then, I play backing tracks via my 7.1 home theatre. Wide sound separation. For $20 you can buy a bluetooth adapter that connects to your stereo theatre amp- control/play then via your phone like any other bluetooth speaker. I also use a RC500 looper which lets me save loops, left and right channels and drums. 32 bit quality.
If you think about it- your AMP has a modeler built in assuming it is not a tube- even still. A very limited modeler. An external modeler simply expands on those electronics. You still have a cabinet, amplification and a speaker that you can use. I use my Boss Katana in the mix and it sounds great. You can also record your loop and play that back via monitors, then just play your amp, modeler or acoustic. It's all good. In a mix, for sure no one would know any different either. Even a $10k tube amp- in a mix with a Fractal Axe-FX III, the latter might even sound better given the effects. But hey man- do what you like. No wrong way to play your sound.
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Can't believe there are still ignorant boomers criticizing modelers for not sounding like the real amp in a room in 2023. lol
You are pretty much doing the same thing as criticizing cars for not flyingor going under water lol