Will This Work? Bent Bucket Cylinder, Trying 270b cylinder. John Deere 1025r 260b Backhoe
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Bent the same ram on my 485 backhoe. Had a hydraulic shop rebuild the cylinder, and they used a stronger rod material for the ram. Cost to repair was less than 1/3 the cost of buying an OEM replacement.
If you ever have to move a new Cylinder again without any fluid in it, you can put compressed air to the fitting to make it move easier. Love watching your videos and the projects you do with your equipment.
“If you buy the OEM cylinder you’ll be broke faster” omg 😂😂. Have a great weekend to you both 🙋🏼♂️🙂👍🏻
I find the repair videos just as informative as the working ones. Most of us older guys have the gene that if we break it, we can and must fix it. I know I’m like that. I had to replace the engine on my zero turn early in the season. I tried to repair it, but quickly went past my knowledge. Sometimes I just have to accept that fact. During operations, you have already questioned the move that bent the cylinder. I question what I did to make my engine fail. Like you said…… If you use the equipment, something will break. My equipment is not barn queens.
Tutorials like this are amazing. My mechanical knowledge is minimal so when I’ve had issues here and there I’ve looked up how to’s on the web to do what is needed to be done. My tractor doesn’t have a backhoe and I never plan to get one. However it’s interesting to watch working in a piece of heavy equipment.
Yes, most of these techniques will work on many similar tasks.
Hey Tim good job on "souping up" the digger. All this talk about "cylinders" l laboriously looked into the 216 comments & nobody noticed "something" DANGEROUS in the room!! The oxygen CYLINDER in the background is not tied ,or Capped--- Danger-Danger. We want you around Mr Tim, you too Christy! Just thought you would like to know, "Brother". GBWY.
I am always impressed with your ability to fix and install things.
I’ve beat myself up from time to time after breaking something, and second guessing myself. But as you mentioned “if you’re going to use things something will break.” I appreciate your calm demeanor and practical and methodical approach. A pleasure to watch…and learn. You two are a great team! Blessings.
Really really look forward, to the in-depth repair videos - We all make mistakes, where we unintentionally cause damage to our equipment - Seeing exactly what it takes to not only make repair, but to make repairs in a way that makes it even Better than it was before the Uh Oh, is so very helpful - and, keeps us from possibly even making that Same mistake in the first place… So, we owe you a Heartfelt Thanks…. The repair videos, are a welcome addition to your normal equipment-in-use demonstration videos…
Well done. Another great video of the ups and downs of owning and using a tractor. What separates your channel from the rest is your in-depth process on how to repair it yourself. Thank you.
Great job explaining the difference in power between the two cylinders.
I talked with Christy about that at the utility show.
Another top notch video Tim
Great review Tim & Christie. Can always count on your unbiased and detailed review. I don't have a backhoe and never plan to own one. But that's why a mini-excavator is so attractive at rental rates.
💥 I remember my dad bending that same cylinder on his then bh70 backhoe. Think it was around $400 or so. That was years ago and happened twice. Not cheap for what it is.
*Keep on tractoring!*
I bent my steering cylinder rod on a root! At the time, it was $630. After replacing it, I brought my old one to a hydraulic shop and they replaced the rod for $130. Now I have a spare.....
Yesterday I bent the end of a fork using my loader on a pile of telephone poles...Your video softened the pain. THANK YOU!
First, THANKS for doing real work in order to break it. And double-THANKS for sharing the best way to fix it.
it is interesting to watch the repair. Your comment about feeling like an idiot is so true. I feel like that every time I fix somethig I broke...unless it is something that shouldn't have broken.
Most of my time on the internet is trying to find the lowest price and if that one will work. That`s where buyers reviews and technical blogs can really help. Knowledge is power. Thanks for sharing your knowledge including mistakes.
If you’re making the video it probably works… Let’s Go Brandon!
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As always good stuff Tim. Thank you for continuing to break your stuff so the rest of us can learn what NOT to do. And for those that missed the video where stuff got broken, hopefully they will find the videos of you fixing... Its nice to see UA-cam being utilized for GOOD things. Keep the videos coming Tim, I look forward to each and everyone!
Tim, I also bent mine on my newer 1025R (same version same as yours). My dealer in Monticello IN replaced it under warranty so I was only out the downtime and travel. But I am of similar mind; bend it once and it will bend again, sooner or later. So I've been investigating replacements; you video was timely!
BTW, the original 260B bucket curl cylinder does not retract all the way before all the 'slack' is consumed. Because of this, the extra 270B length is small enough it becomes insignificant. Also, it does not extend all the way before the double pin bracket stops it, so either cylinder will put the bracket curve to the stop metal.
Happy tractoring and God bless, Dennis
I don't like the cost of the new cylinder, but I am very glad to see that it isn't a nightmare to replace. Thank you for showing us!
In July of this year I bent the cylinder on my dipper on the 270B backhoe, doing stump and root removal. Just like you did. Didn't know it had bent until after I got it untangled from the roots. Bent worse then yours. I have a pic of it. I also had a leveler cylinder leaking. Ordered the parts to repair vs replace. Around $600. Tried for two days to get the dipper cylinder apart. I'm in my seventies. Couldn't do it. Called the shop and dropped them off with the ordered parts. They took just over a month to fix them. When I picked them up they told me the ordered parts were wrong except for the rod and take them back to the shop where I paid for them. Also they had to replace the piston for the dipper cylinder, that was why it took so long. It cost just under $600 for the shop repair for the two cylinders. Got a $300 refund for the returned parts. I checked into just replacing the dipper cylinder before the repair. It was just shy of $1200 plus tax and shipping. So I got two done for around $900. Still ahead of the game!!
think i would take that bent one to local machine shop and have new ram made for it to have a back up on hand for it
You know when ever a mistake happens .this thing happens. Learning! Thank you fur passing on the costly learning information Tim! You surely will have helped someone I'm most certain!!.
Great information for us 260 owners, thank you, and thank you for the gospel.
Hey Tim really enjoy your repair videos. Help when I may have to work on my tractor. I know the cost hurt but it help your viewers to do their own work. It would be great sometime to maybe point out what all the extra wire plugs. On the back of the tractor can be use for. Thank you for your videos.
Tim, when we set up a backhoe or excavator with a hydraulic thumb, We always turn down the pressure relief on the thumb so the bucket can overcome and push the thumb open. That helps prevent damage to the thumb and bucket cylinder.
this happened to me on my massie 1723e tlb massie had a recal on that same cylinder
when they replaced it the new cylinder shaft diameter was 1/4" thicker I'm happy with the fix
I bent my 2025R backhoe bucket cylinder also and got it rebuilt by this company for less than $275 including tax in Nov 2021. Good folks. hydraulic industry rich creek va
Yep, I have a tendency to break or bend stuff myself. So I feel your pain. Good idea going with the bigger ram and it looked like a prefect fit. Thanks for sharing.
Great video on your repair 👍 . I'm not sure if you'll knows this but black zip ties have the best rating for sunlight exposure. One step up for that simply safe security camera on a flagpole would be a stainless steel band clamp. God bless you both! I hope you have a wonderful day 🙏
Speaking of snapping pliers. I was in the same situation as you, crappy pliers so I shopped around and found some inexpensive “GLARKS” brand pliers. They came in a kit that had internal and external pliers plus different angles of tips. Completely happy with them and have had no issues with them. Take care and don’t break to much more stuff. Central Maine Dan.
It took me a minute to make sense of your statement about less retracting power; then I realized that you've lost square inches by keeping the outer cylinder the same while increasing the ram size, thus losing the difference in what's left to push... (I prefer PI equations that have apples and cinnamon. :-) ) thx for the work!
JD is back in business and ready for more stumps. BTW...your shop is way too clean!!!
Thanks, love this video, John Deer is on strike, may get tough to get parts, I suggest take it easy Tim.
If you are worried about the extra length of the longer cylinder, you could always remove the gland nut from the cylinder and install a slug (spacer) to limit the extent stroke for your application. See that done a lot in tilt cylinders on forklifts.
Interesting idea.
Yup basically a washer on the rod between the piston and head /gland
Something that is drilled into my head at work is to wear your safety glasses. could save you an eye when a hydraulic line has pressure or when a snap ring goes sailing. And knipex is also a fav tool brand in the aviation industry.
TIM, gotta spend money to make money! But ya do gotta shop around to save money! As yinz know, this world isn't perfect anymore! Good stuff!
Sorry you had to spend bucks on a repair, Tim but you got some great useage from the original cylinder prior to ram malfunction. Enjoyed all your advice and yeah, even the mild whining was fun. Wishing you the best using your new cylinder an thanks for the educational information. I had not changed a cylinder and hope I don't have to either but I hope to use the same logic as you when doing so. It's always a pleasure to watch your videos. I always learn something new. Have a blessed weekend, my friends. 👍🏽🙂
Tim, I love that analogy to the disabled list from football teams. I live in serious snow country, with a fleet of three snow removal machines. All are on the disabled reserve list and snow is only a few weeks away! My very liberal finance committee says just buy a new one. Unfortunately, new ones are currently "unobtanium", borrowing a word from behind the Iron Curtain So I am pounding and grinding metal to get something working soon.
Thanks for the video, you made the replacement process look easy!
Meh, stuff happens Tim. I've seen cylinders bent on big excavators, especially in demolition. One thing you have to refrain from for a bucket cylinder is latching onto something like a stump, and then driving the machine to try and pull it out. That puts a boatload of stress on open cylinder. Keep up the great vids.
Definitely didn’t do that this time.
I have that same impact driver it used to be hitachi but now it’s Metabo hpt and I love it
Gather is stronger than bucket curl. So with bucket hooked under root or frozen dirt, using gather can bend curl cylinder. BTDT. Bill was big.
Its been fun watching u guys work, thanks for the video guys.
Great video Tim! I have a couple of suggestions though. Please put a cap over the valve on the gas bottle standing by the wall. I had one tip over at work and praise God it was capped because it hit the edge of the welding bench and would have surely broke the valve off and probably killed someone as it would have launched into an office area. Secondly, please wear safety glasses! I've had snap rings, fasteners, drills, taps and every manner of flying object hit my safety glasses when doing repair work over my 30 year career. I don't want to see you with a pirate patch over your eye! Take care!
Sally? is that you?
Solid advice
Kyle's correct. Prolly be a good idea to secure it with a light chain or cable while you're at it. Checking in from earthquake country.
Tim we all live and learn now you won't be apted to do it again next time I've done it on Ford 655 backhoe no fun and less paycheck grandpa wasn't happy about it but I did fix it and paid for all the parts so I can relate 💯 God bless y'all enjoy the video as catch yah on the next one.
Very informative.
Knipex makes great tools.
Tim,you bent th cylinder digging out a stump? Tell me what are the do and do not with my 1025r. YOU and your better half had been a great help with me and Johnny. You better be thankful for her every day 🙏 be safe and have a blessed day 🙏.........
You should try to find a hydraulic repair shop, most will make you a new shaft for pennies compared to buying a new cylinder
I found this interesting with using the 270B cylinder over the 260B replacement and seeing the results. I think the ripper should work just as well when you put it on for the next time.
You make it look so easy.
Tim, had the exact same thing happen with my bh70 backhoe. Contacted JD for a price, about had a heart attack, so I took it to the local repair shop and it seems to be working fine. Maybe it's time for JD to issue a recall for an undersized cylinder.
Hi, Big fan of your channel and a 15 year heavy equipment mechanic. Because you went with the larger diameter ram this might not be an issue. Possibly a part of why the old one bent was your bucket cylinder check valve might be set too high. If the check valve was set lower when the pressure was put against it the cylinder would retract instead of bending the ram. With the larger ram you might be fine but it might be a good idea to check the pressures.
Entirely possible!
Nice simple upgrade, thanks for sharing. 😃
Supply and demand, possibly the 260 gets replaced more often than the 270 due to the size of the ram.
I've been around a lot of equipment for many years.
If you bent it without realizing how... that seems kinda weak .
Nice video Tim keep up the good work.
Well, I was straining to break a root. I know that much! Running up against the pressure relief.
You run your equipment hard, like it should be run!!!
First off Christy your Hair looks great in the video.
2nd how about a upgrade for the 160 loader rams and line pressure upgrade.
Very informative Tim Hi Christi have a day love from TEXAS.
Hello Tim, I am not trying to tell you what to do... but I noticed a Major Safety Issue, behind you in your shop, it appears that the Gas Cylinder is not secured, if it was to fall over and break the valve off it will go through the wall, instant Cat door, what most people here do is secure them with a piece of chain hooked to the wall, If it is secured, I apologize, i'd just hate to see anything happen, have a Great Day, and keep up the Great Videos
the larger rod will also make the bucket dump faster (as there is less volume to fill with fluid since more steel (larger rod) takes up more volume)
I guess I commented too early as I am watching ... at 20 min you said that too .... LOL
Really enjoyed the injured football team this time of year analogy. Nice repair! I think you'll like the 1.25-nch ram. -Chad #purplecollarlife
Good reason to get that mini ex Tim
when using hydraulics on anything you are going to bend cylinders and blow hoses somewhere down the line, just the way the game goes. the idea is to do ones best to keep the damages to a minimum.
Good video. For some reason, these type are more attention holding than trying new implements out. But there's a place for that too.
Interesting feedback. Eric. Thanks!
@@TractorTimewithTim no problem, of course it's just my opinion. Maybe because I don't foresee myself ever having most of those implements but I can definitely see myself breaking something and having to fix it.
All constructive feedback helps. Thanks! There is definitely a backlog of repair work to be done here. I have deferred most of it all summer!
I did fix my trailer brakes on the little flatbed dump trailer yesterday without a camera. ...oh well.
Great video guys!
I saw online that a guy had the BXpanded quick-on backhoe connector & bent the shaft, so I sort of assumed that maybe that difference of the angle may have caused the bend?...Now I see that it was probably not due to that...good to know. Please wear safety glasses around snap rings, when they go flying they can do a lot a damage to your eyes!
Good that you bought the parts before the current John Deere strike started.
On seeing the curl function test, where the bucket slightly bottoms out against the jaws of the thumb, couldn't you just take a grinder to SLIGHTLY remove some material, where the jaw is contacted by the bucket edge, to assure no binding can occur?
Having worked in the fluid power industry (pneumatic and hydraulic cylinder designer) I want to share one item. Force = Pressure * Area of piston diameter. Keep in mind outside cylinder diameter is not a value to use because the cylinder wall thickness is unknown. Correct calculation of extend/retract force needs to know the piston diameter. Going to bigger ram (piston rod) only tells you one thing, you got a bigger rod. When looking at outsider cylinder diameter, extend force may or may not be the same when compared to a similar cylinder assembly. And retract force may or may not be the same when compared to a similar cylinder assembly. The comment of retract speed being slower is true based off the lager ram (piston rod) diameter being larger. This works because there maybe less piston diameter area due to larger ram (piston rod). All other comments of force is subject to determination of piston diameter surface area.
Designing around cylinder wall thickness is one of many different ways to reduce cost and allow for a overall lower cost and quality, which is may not be know to the consumer.
I bent both of my curl cylinders on my loader on my Mahindra yesterday,how I have yet figured that out.Looked up the cost of replacements over $3000,so I will probably take them to a hydraulic shop and have them straightened.
Like you I do not like to replace a part with the exact same thing. If it broke before, it will brake again. So I will try hard to rebuild it better than before unless what happened was an extraordinary circumstance that are not likely to reoccur.
I have a JD 420 loader that had bent then broke cylinders due to being to long from the factory. On a full roll they would bow up a bit. The rod is 25 mm not 1". Them may be the same. JD wanted 600 each. I ordered the material and had the ends machined for inside the ram. I made 4 and have 2 extra. If they will work for you they are yours. Just cut and weld the end on.
Hi Tim
Did you watch the video where the guy fixed it with a 2x4 block of wood
I would never have believed it works
Tim, it is a shame about John Deere pricing but like you, I enjoy repairing the machine and they are easy. Again typically what I broke. LoL
By noon today , the price of the 270 cylinder will be raised to $1100 , as soon as someone at Deere parts sees this video.
That is not the first time a UA-camr has affected the price of stuff. Richard Holder talked about cheap junkyard speed parts for engines and suddenly they weren't so cheap anymore!
The other option is to replace the ram. e.g. rebuild the existing. I think the stronger bar is best. On a root and driving away from it seems to put the angle on it.
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Clamping/curl force may be the same. It depends on the piston diameter. Rod diameter effects cylinder closing force if you assume they have the same piston diameter.
I will say. If you broke it, it usually means you found the limit…. Then stepped beyond it. That’s learning. 20 years of professional experience and I’ve broken plenty of stuff. No total losses from use.
Add JD strike for more supply and cost issues...
I tend to prefer seeing if I can get a rebuild from the local hydraulic shop. Swapping out a ram is likely something that could be done *fairly* easily. Although in this case, you kinda upgraded at the same time, the larger-diameter ram is going to be a lot less likely to stage a repeat performance than the older one, so more of a replacement-upgrade than a straight repair.
Thanks for this video. I learned much from you mistake.
Hey Tim I like your man cave pretty cool
Yes sir, yes sir indeed, places ate raising the prices on items they've had in their warehouses for years.
Well, not many items have ‘been in the warehouse’ for years at this point. Most shelves are bare.
You probably bent the old one extending the bucket. The interesting thing about going up to the bigger ram is it's stronger but also has less extending force so a double protection against future bending.
It will only have less retracting force.
@@TowWyo your retracting cylinder is my bucket extension, same thing....
You could use that cylinder you took off for an application where you need to go around a corner.
It's a little late for this now, but if anything like this ever happens again, it would be a nice opportunity to test "field fixes" to see if you can somehow make the old one function long enough to finish a job.
Also, anyone who runs equipment who has never broken anything is either a liar, or hasn't been doing it long enough.
Have you tried gloves with the tips cut off from the factory or cut the tips off of a set of mechanics/fabric shop gloves?
I admit they are not the best for certain jobs, but I do find myself wearing them in more situations than full finger gloves, as even just having the tip and the next finger section toward the hand exposed but the rest of my hand and the base of my fingers covered, has saved me a good number of cuts, gouges, and even pinches while still allowing for a great deal of dexterity to manipulate parts and tools as well as being able to retain that very important touch against skin you want or even need for certain jobs (e.g. feeling for a hole to put that pin into blind as it is behind a part that will take 3 hours to remove and another 3 hours to put back in just for a 20 second pin replacement, feeling for a dropped part, etc.)
wow Tim I have a 741 self leveling front end loader on my 7430 John Deere and I bent one both sides of the cylinders by being stupid but anyway I bought both cylinders from Deere for under $600 but that was before Covid and maybe that is why prices are jumping so much.
feb 2021 i bought 4 tires off wal mart site at 74.00 a tire sept 2021 looked the same tire up and they went up to 130 a tire
I have a 270B on my 2032 17 and bent it after 3 uses , It was bent into a perfect J i have pictures
I also bent the bucket and the out rigors
JD is gouging the residential consumer market.
When you put a bigger rod in the same size hydraulic cylinder it lessens the pullback power on that cylinder because the rod takes up the room that the hydraulic fluid works against the front side of the piston so the cylinder is not going to be a strong in One Direction
Very interesting!!!!! Great video!!!
I think everybody's heard "if it's not broke, don't fix it". Well I think another good one is "if it doesn't break, you're not using it". lol...
So by your measurements it is a 13 3/8 stroke. the 14 inch stroke surplus center cylinder could possibly be shortened some by cutting the rod and reattaching the mounting tube. You should be able to extend the cylinder to weld so no disassembly needed. The rod should be wrapped to protect it from weld splatter. I have actually done both shortening of the rod and shortening of the tube. Both are actually pretty easy. I have done both without repacking the seals.
Why go to all that trouble, pull the cylinder head, unscrew the piston and have a 1/8 spacer turned to fit the rod to stop the piston going all the way out
@@russellsmith3825 It would be to make the overall length closer to what it was supposed to be retracted not to shorten the stroke which is what you are talking about. By the way 5/8 spacer. If I recall the retracted length was 1 3/8 inches longer Having repacked a cylinder I would rather cut the eye and shorten the rod than possibly damage the seals. The ones where I cut down both the rod and the tube were ordered the wrong size. the restocking cost was cost prohibitive. so about 3 to 4 hours labor and they now fit. Most of that time was measuring cutting and fitting the first cylinder.
@@szki272 I must have misheard that the difference in pal fully extended was 1/8.
I'll have to rewatch later.
But one was something and 7/8 and the other was the next even inch longer
Nicely done... probably could have just hammered the old one back out... Im kidding, but I know a couple guys who would have tried to.
It will be faster on the contraction stroke as there less area between the rod and inner barrel due to rod diameter