Is School Good or Evil? | Spill the Tea
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- Опубліковано 9 вер 2017
- I loved school growing up, but Luke didn't. Exam stress, evil teachers, and gel pens are all in this week's Spill The Tea!
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What can make or break your school experience: the people.
Molly Owen defiantly break
NoHomoHowell Who? Break?? Try destroy
Molly Owen if it weren't for the people school would bore the shit out of me
100% destroyed
Thats why school should be online instead!!!!
12 weeks omg. When Phineas and Ferb used to be on TV, I'd always wonder how they got 104 days of summer vacation haha.
Kate's Adventures me too!
Kate's Adventures THIS WAS MY LIFE.
I grew up in America and mine was significantly shorter. Early June to mid August, not early September. That is only like 9 weeks for me.
school starts
Kate's Adventures now I have the theme song stuck in my head lmfao
"School creates a society where you're afraid to speak up" OH MY GOD YES
Luke seems to have a much more realistic view of the current school system
Lucy Wilson Yup.
@Rosida Andriyana very dum thing to say... u must be british? lol
my biggest problem with most schools is that they assume that every kid learns in the same way, which is not true. evan, you're definitely a good example of how the school system works for some people, but for others who brains are wired to learn differently, it can be hell. although i do pretty well with standardized tests, others' don't but not because they're stupid. i hate how intelligence is measured on a piece of paper. the american school system especially has a serious problem with screwing over kids with ADHD, ADD, or simply kids who learn differently. my brother, who has ADHD, is one of the smartest people i know, yet he has poor grades. why? he can't focus on tests. and that's not his fault. it's basically rigged for him to be screwed over! i also dislike how school assumes everyone is an extrovert, and if you're not, tries to force you to be an extrovert. there's a TED talk called "the power of introverts" that addresses this issue and explains it very well. i think the school system should work to accommodate for other learning styles, and I believe teachers should be taught to not solely teach for one type of student. the school system helps some to excel and become great leaders, but can also destroy confidence and motivation for those who are even slightly different.
"i hate how intelligence is measured on a piece of paper."
Tests are used to measure growth and how much you've retained, not flat out IQ. This statement comes from the self-conscious nature of kids thinking they dumb.
I can't talk about American school but the main problem with this whole education system debate is that people from America assume their education system defines the education of kids GLOBALLY. It does not. Here in the UK we use a variety of different methods in class to accommodate all learning styles.
I've seen that introvert video, and the comment section is very toxic and anti extrovert. You cannot come into class and not say a single word or even contribute to the discussion, and then get annoyed when the teacher is concerned. It doesn't force you to become an extrovert (at least not in my school), and in the cases where it kind of does, that's because we live in an extroverted society and school is preparing you to be an adult and enter into said society. You can't use the excuse of your personality.
Anyway, this is 2 years old and im just ranting at this point. In conclusion, I respectfully disagree with you (though I wouldn't know much about the american school system so you'd be more educated on it than I would, budum tsk)
Katie Kemp it’s not even just people with learning disabilities though, there are so many different learning styles, some people learn better independently some people find it really difficult when someone is just talking at them some people can’t learn by just doing practical work and there are so many different learning styles which I think most schools acknowledge but then there is still only one form of testing which again isn’t very constructive or representative of a persons knowledge. When I was preparing to do my GCSEs and we where doing more and more class tests there was more and more pressure, the tests where ment to be to find out where the gaps in your knowledge are to help you get better for the actual exams so you can get the grades you deserve but it just turns into a representative of what you know and ‘how smart you are’ which is ridiculous because you may not be smart in certain areas but you may be great at other things, but because of one or multiple bad tests you are labelled as being stupid or dumb and that then becomes a self for filling prophecy of your entire identity
@Katie Kemp not true really, i myself am a kinesthetic learner during my time at school in the UK i got solid A* during science lessons due to it being hands on and practical, when it came to sitting the exams i only got Cs because exams and not something i can do it doesnt fit how i learn or retain infomation, the UK school system is fucking dreadful it teaches one type of person only and those who dont fit that are forced to be left behind
when i went to college and university for my science degrees are aced them easily as it was all graded on practical work non of it was test based, exams dont prove how smart you are, all exams do is show you who has good memory
Regarding learning styles, there were plenty of things which came up in my degree for which the only resources available on the topic were academic papers. Sometimes the only resource available to you is uncommented code etc. If you're lucky, you might find a video series, but that becomes less and less common the more in-depth you go in a field of study. I think that part of a measure of intelligence is an ability to adapt to the resources available to you, because there are many times where you can't choose the resources from which you must learn because those are the only ones which exist. I think school should prepare people for this, by providing a mix of learning styles. The more that you can work with, the better.
*I'm in High School and I've always had negative thoughts regarding school. I agree, I do like having that structure in my life that puts me on a set schedule, but it gets overwhelming. I get basically all A's and all I get out of it is less sleep and anxiety.*
Bella Pearce
I get that it can be very overwhelming, specially being a teenager when you're expected to be and do so much and at the same time is treated like a child. But try to keep in mind that, in the future, all of the effort will be worth it, depending on the career you want. Also, considering all of the hard work you must be doing, giving yourself a break once in a while is very healthy and good for your mind. ^^
Lara Zanella *I really do hope all of my hard work pays off. Thanks for the lovely advice ! x*
No problem. 😉
*Why do you bold everything*
Bella Pearce i know how it feels 😣😂
We don't learn anymore. We are just made to remember things that we forget right before the exam. It's a waste of energy and life and happiness. All I've known from school is stress, and it is also the source of my depression. We are forced to make decisions on our future with no support when we don't even know who we are. There is no mental health facilities. Teachers are also suffering. I love English, I love music, I love Spanish. But I feel like I'm not learning but just preparing for exams. I love learning, but I hate school. There are times I've even wanted to die. School has done no good for me and there is even scientific evidence that it is mentally and physically damaging. It is outdated. School was made 100 years ago to train children for factories. Times have changed. While the world is moving forward, school is staying the same.
Ugh it makes me feel so hopeless.
I'm in Britain and I'm in year 10. Please tell me I'm not alone in this.
Nirel Dickens I'm in year 10 in the uk too and I feel the same. Although some teachers are nice and I like some lessons there's so much pressure to do well on exams it really affects me mental health. I've only been back from holidays for five days now and I've already had seven pieces of homework. Some teachers forget we take MULTIPLE subjects, not just theirs.
I’m Year 13, and have had very similar experiences to you! The effect of school on my mental health has led to me needing to restart part of my alevels, adding to greater stress! School is so detrimental to us, especially the latter years. You’re definitely not alone
Nirel Dickens something one of my current teachers told me, was a driving instructor won’t teach you how to drive, they will teach you how to pass your test. You have to have the experience to help you learn
Tbh it really pisses me off when I realise the school system is an attempt to turn kids into robots that get told info, forget the info, are tested on their ability to remember the info and then immediately forget it after the exam. All my opinions are suppressed at school and although I have no problem with bullies (bc they know I'd give them a piece of my mind), the education system is really destructive on kids. I'd still rather have a debunked school system in the UK than have expensive health care and a shambles of a democracy like the US
I was surprised to read that you're in Britain because schools in the US are exactly the same.
my biggest issue with school was, that it shifted the focus from aquiring knowledge and broading your horizon to figuring out how to write what a teacher wants to read for an exam and get good grades?? Now that I'm in university I've realized that it was basically free education and I should've valued it more, but I also understand why I didn't at the time and I think it's sad that many ppl probably feel the same because of the current grading system
I guess I don't look at it that way coz I live in Scotland where uni is free. So I just see uni as so much better and wish schools could be structured more like uni
Absolutely hated school, struggled to learn, was bullied a lot, suffered with some things which the bullies picked on me for and even had teachers bully me as well. Couldnt wait to leave that place
Had my engineering teacher say im a crap engineer and would never get the job i wanted. Hello 3 years in that job as an ENGINEER
Ryan True my mum is an engineer as well
Amazing Kate its a cool job :) also had a teacher say i would never become a pilot as im not good enough, last thursday was my first solo... my school life sucked but it got better so i know anybody else who had a similar experiencr at school will have their life get better as well
Ryan True My music teacher in school would deliberately fail my work (I think to try to get me off the course) and then at the end of the year I managed to get a B overall, never felt so proud of myself
Natalie W congrats! It just shows that teachers dont know everything (not saying they dont know anything) but they put some people down and those people go on to do great things, become a musician and show that teacher
I love learning but I hate school
Riddikulus Izzy never let your schooling ruin your education
This is painfully relatable
School gave me anxiety and made me an insomniac. I'm so tired.
School as an idea is great. But the system at the moment is completely useless. Learning for exams teaches nothing, and doesn’t exactly foster a love of learning or a passion for particular subjects. The best experience I had at school was when I was in the advanced French class - we did our GCSE a year early, and so had a whole year to just learn French, without worrying about exams, before moving on to A-levels. I probably learned more that year than I ever had before, and we had so much fun just learning it, for the sake of getting better at it!
100%. If we just helped eachother out more and taught eachother the knowledge we know as a society and made better routes into jobs without this ridiculous emphasis on grades in these isolating exam conditions, then we could make a much better country/world to live in.
The thing I find with school is I am not taught about the subject I'm learning I'm taught how to pass a test in that subject
THIS
fifty percent gay I feel the same way I go to the test I always get at least 95% and than in the next hour someone could ask me something about what I "learned" and I'll have no idea
So true. I feel like it makes everything so much more limited because you have to learn what is in the curriculum or what could possibly show up in the final exam. You can never really explore a certain topic too deeply because to them (teachers, the education system) if you won't be asked about it in an exam then you ain't gonna get taught about it. It's sad really.
Kelsie D I SPELL MY NAME LIKE YOURS KELSIE! HI!! I've never seen another ie before! Lol
yess exactly
P.S.H.E is not physical education, in England we call phys ed P.E P.S.H.E is social studies or personal studies (drug education, sex education, bullying etc) It's basically health class but also with social aspects.
In Scotland social subjects is history, geography and modern studies (crime, rights,politics etc.)
In Wales PSHE is called ABCh
my school did away with social studies and turned it into maybe five to six days a year called development days
it's not that easy to just ignore or punish a bully. in my most recent situation, teachers didn't believe my friend and i. they said they had no proof she did the things she did, except for my friends' literal breakdown. and she was corrupting the part of school we loved the most, the part we lived for. "just ignore them" to me sounds like "just be happy." it isn't that easy.
McKenzie Rose I know. It is terrible when teacher just say "ignore them" it really isn't that easy when you are trying to do something
Gosh, I've actually been struggling with the same identity issue... in my family I'm known for being quiet and smart, but being around people of the same IQ/ intelligence level you realize you are not the smartest by a long shot, sure, sometimes you'll have the highest grade, but not always. So how can you then be "the smart one"?
This is a continuous struggle
I hated people that said that I wasn’t trying hard enough because my grades sucked. I would literally take every tutoring opportunity I could for Chemistry and I just couldn’t get. I hated it so much it literally made me cry. My chem teacher passed me with a D even though I didn’t pass a single test because he saw that I was actually trying.
I went to high school and I liked it but I also did some online school and I liked it much more. I felt like I learned more when I was learning on my on speed.
Yeah it really felt like he was blaming bad grades and bullies on the student. "If you just do the homework you're going to do well" or "just walk away from the bullies or report them". Real life doesn't always work out like that.
Jane Lin he is talking about his own experience though and that worked for him. I feel like school has changed a lot more since he and I were in school and the type of school makes a difference too. I lived within a couple of blocks of school so some bullies would literally follow my brother home because it wasn't schools jurisdiction anymore. He lived in a rural area so he could really get away from them. Now the internet is way more common so it's really hard to get away from bully's and schools struggle a lot more figuring out what's in their jurisdiction and what's not.
I used to really dislike school. But for the entirety of last year I was present for maybe 20% of the time, with a reduced timetable and working from home when I couldn't make it in (teachers email me work), and despite the reason for this being horrible, I am so much less stressed than before. My self-esteem is massively higher, my motivation is higher and I sacrificed maybe 7% of my marks on tests - getting about 85%.
I don't exactly know what you can take from that, but I know that I'm a happier person.
curiousbiscuits wooow i wish i could do that! all school does for me is give me less sleep and anxiety
curiousbiscuits I had this for my final GCSE year
Annie l honestly, it's a difficult way of working. I currently have a Latin textbook on my lap, reading a story that will take me an hour to translate, rather than 20 minutes like it used to. Next week I'm going to hospital for 3 weeks, where I'll only be doing schoolwork for 2 hours a day. It's hard. It's a LOT of effort. But, as long as you're ready to work really hard, you know that you can do your maths test in your pyjamas with a cup of tea, and I believe that that's a far nicer way to live.
Same over here, I had to do that for a few months because of illness and it just made learning so much better for me
One of my friends is a teacher and I love the way she handles bullying in her classroom.
When she finds out who the bully is, she'll get the class to sit in a circle around the "bully" and each person in the class will say a nice thing about that child. She may have to repeat this a few times but she has noticed that there has been significantly less bullying since she started that method
I kinda didn't like the way Evan talked about bullying? Ahh idk I got bullied in college so like from the ages of 16-18 and I let it look like it didn't effect me and I told the college, they told me it was my own fault (ikr?!) and then my mental health got worse and worse and worse to the point where they basically broke me. Maybe it's just the difference between the USA and U.K. I also got bullied by teachers at GCSE so I haven't had the most fab experience 😂
Still thought the vid was a cool discussion! Interesting to hear all these different opinions
Same, i dont think he understands how it was for some people and schools dont just fix it. I was beaten and bullied from age of about 8 till 16 and never once did anyone get suspended or punished.
Exactly. Which is a bit perplexing to me considering the circle of friends he has, how has no one clued him in on how bullying works?
I was badly bullied by my French teacher for a whole year, having the school side with her and ignore the situation really made me lose faith in learning for a long while
I was bullied by my economics teacher at GCSE because I was 1 of only 3 girls in the class and I just didn't understand the teaching. I really struggled and he said I was going to fail and got it into my head that I was. Got to the point where I'd be having panic attacks before classes because I was too afraid to face the teacher. Some people really shouldn't be in the profession
Speaking of bullying, countless people at my school reported bullying to the school who disregarded it and didn't allow the people to move classes to escape the bullies and refused to help so much so like 3 diff people took their experiences to the local newspaper who posted about it and the school released a statement saying they don't tolerate bullying yet they're yet to do anything against it and often deny the fact there's bullying, sometimes unfortunately even telling the school doesn't help and I bet my school isn't the only school to be like that
oh geez, that's really harsh
My friend got death and rape threats from someone outside and someone inside the school over the internet, we reported it to school who had to report it to the police but the police said they didn't know what to do so didn't bother and the head teacher had an hour yelling at my friend for "lying" (it wasn't lies at all it was all real) and they basically made it worse and bullied my friend even more
Althea Hall Here's a story. O eve a boy in my brothers school was attacked by a bully in the hall. They hit the boy in the face and kicked him a broke a bone in his face. After the boy who was being bullied punched the bullies back both of them got the same punishment which was only an after school detention
School fucking sucks because of our education system. It caused my mental health issues (as well as many others) AND has made them worse. Every time I think about going to school I feel like crying, and I'm not even bullied, it's just the work and the pressure.
I understand so fucking much,, some days I literally can't go to school because the pressure is way too much. I cant wait to graduate
Same. It's so bad. My friend went on vacation for a few days sophomore year and she got so far behind in all her classes. She couldn't get caught up and got super depressed and anxious. I was already suffering from depression and stress has been a constant factor in my life sense 8th grade so it was really hard on both of us. It's still hard tbh. Last year i had over 40 tardy/absences because I couldn't get out of bed. My teacher called my mom because he thought I had a terminal illness or something.
shannon I don't think governments understand how hard they're making our tests, and how much pressure it puts on us. It's so hard it literally causes some students like us to get mental illnesses, it's heartbreaking.
Julianna Theresa that's terrible! Can't imagine what it's like for you and your friend.
I can relate, it sucks.
I have been home educated all my life, but joined school in year 9 to do GCSE's (I'm in year 11 now). I actually had such a big group of people and close friends when I was home educated, who I have now lost because of school. I feel so lonely at school and even the 2 friends I've made here don't seem to genuinely like me and find me annoying, I feel so alone. I was so much happier home educated, and had such a loving circle of other home educators around me. It was also great because I learnt and spent time with people of all ages and it was so refreshing to have friends that weren't all the same age as me. I miss home education :(
Loved the video and love discussions like this! Xx
Z O S I A I used to be home schooled too! Until I was about 10. And I'm really sorry you're having that experience, but school will be over soon!! Can you try and get back in touch with your home educators friends?
I wish my parents knew about home educating groups. I think they may've considered doing that with me if the information was easier to find. I didnt mesh with school AT ALL. I had far too many issues.
I'm glad you got to be educated in the way that was suitable for you. And that you found friends through it.
I think my parents went with school because it was just considered the done thing. They didnt even consider whether I could be educated at home or not.
I'm in college and I love itt I already made great friends and every class is interesting. I graduated highschool last year and I hated highschool but college is honestly sooo kuch better I love it
I think college is defo much better too :)
Evan,
I think you are one of the best UA-camrs I've ever seen. You do so much and I love every single video of yours. I just want to say thank you for being on UA-cam because you've helped me through stuff and make me happy.
Although you said that people who didn't do well in school didn't try that isn't the case for a lot of people. I revise every night, I do all my homework, I work so hard in all of my lessons and do well in them but when it comes to exams I freak out, have an anxiety attack and fail. Mental health really belittles my self confidence and how much I can learn. I'm not trying to make you in to a bad person (you are amazing and I love you and you were so amazing to meet at sitc) but it is more complex than just not trying
Heart Eyes Howell same i feel the exact same way. I have friends that dont study at all but get way higher grades than me even though i try so hard. Its really frustrating because i have anxiety, aspergers and dyspraxia so school is much harder for me but because i dont get good grades the teachers just assume im not trying. ( also love your profile pic >•
Lilliana yes! I have anxiety, depression and am dealing with being trans and not being able to come out at school. My teachers know I try but just think I'm kind of stupid but when they go through my work they get so confused as it's to a high standard. Thanks!
Heart Eyes Howell hope things get easier for you ☺️
Charlotte R thank you! 😊
Heart Eyes Howell i hope you have a safe place to come out soon. 💜Dealing with all this stuff as well as school is too much for people our age i think its so unfair. If u want to talk about anything let me know and we can sc or something. X
I was home-schooled (from year 7 onwards) and it is a decision I don’t regret because there is so much less pressure put on you, and when I did my GCSEs, I didn’t need to do any topics that I didn’t want to, and was able to study at my own pace. I found it just more fun learning what you wanted to learn and at a pace that suited me.
As someone who goes to school in England - I feel like it is much easier to hate school here. Exams are such a huge part of school here that it makes school and learning so stressful and tiring. I know that it isn't the same in America and I wish they would understand that. Also - I love learning, but I do feel that the education system misses really important subjects like politics. Xx
I'm currently studying for German A levels at the moment and it's already leagues more difficult than the Spanish books we used in the US. This one's 100% german.
EVERYONE MOVE TO FINLAND. NOW.
So far I have only had SATS, no other tests really, I love school, and siblings have been fine through GCSE's, but I'm really anxious that these high pressure exams later on will ruin the experience..
Totally agree
Being home schooled, I imagine, could forfeit the benefits of learning how to make close friends, though?
In other words, being home schooled probably would have made me even more socially awkward than I am now.
LaytonChronicles that was exactly what I thought, I have a friend who was homeschooled for a year and she told me she hated it because she was always really lonely
Is it possible to do homeschooling with your friends
LaytonChronicles I was home schooled most of my life (I joined school to do GCSE's) and in the area I lived in there was a massive group of home schoolers, and I actually had way more friends than I do now that I've been in school for 2 years. I feel so lonely in school and felt so loved when I was home educated, but I guess it's different for everyone
Sometimes there are programs specifically made for home schoolers to take to make friends with other home schoolers. Also taking fun little classes at a University that're offered for younger age groups.
*note that I am not home schooled and I know this stuff from my two cousins who are
Okay, look, this stereotype needs to end. I was homeschooled all my life and I'm very tired of this one. Sure, I did school at home but I also did dance, theater, 4-H, and all sorts of stuff with different people! I met my best friend of 10+ years in 4-H. Homeschooled does not mean sheltered.
I love learning, but when I had teachers calling me a failure for getting an A and the immense pressure to get top grades started when I was like fifteen I stopped liking school. School wasn't really about learning from year ten or eleven upwards and that was the reason I didn't like it
Martha Hampton this is pretty much the same for me. In year 9, I loved school. I wanted to see all my friends and I was really enjoying my lessons. I was SO excited to go back in year 10 but after the first day back, I already wanted to stop going. Within the first few weeks I had begun to hate school again+everything basically spiralled downwards from there. I have felt bad for getting an A before (which is utter bullshit wtf) so I know that feeling. Ehh but I guess that's grammar schools for ya !
Lmao u already know what kinda dude Evan was in school😂😂
You should turn spill the tea into a podcast
Advice from Evan: Cry and spill Pepsi on babies for money.
I both like school and dislike school, I love learning new stuff but I don't like the stress, homework and tests 😂 I'm sad that I only have science related subjects at my school, I wish I could take other subjects right now. I now do online courses cause for one it's mandatory to do extra stuff and I like that a lot. I mostly got issues with teachers but that was just a bad school. And the bullies in high school I just ignored and played dumb 😅
Watching this while avoiding doing my homework... I love having self control and motivation!!
The positive parts of school is definitely making friends and finding people who you really connect with
Ok but in my RE class we get to talk about LGBTQ+, feminism, human rights, politics and actual interesting stuff ?!!
RE is one of the only lessons I'm excited to go into
That sounds so good! RE at my school was studying religions, what you're describing sounds more like my PSE class (Physical and Social Education) but we didn't really discuss any of that stuff in depth.
Kate's Adventures we study religion as well but half of what we do is about controversial issues which we can then apply to religion (for example, what do Catholics think about gay marriage)
Music Madness lol I feel stupid for asking this but what does RE stand for? Unfortunately, I don't have that class in my school, but it would be amazing to be in a class like that.
Music Madness what is RE? We dont have that at my school, but it sounds cool! Although we don't have this at my school, I am very pleased that most of my school is accepting towards LGBT+ and there is a huge LGBT+ community at my school, which is surprising because i live in the most conservative part of America
Religious education :) I don't know if it's the same for all schools, but my teacher makes it really interesting
School? Sounds a bit
*Fishy*
I'll leave
Emmie D 👏👏👏
That took me way too long lmao
wow
Fuck you
Jk💛
I don't get it.
I never hated school but I never loved it either. I never had any trouble with bullying or anything other than some mild picking on occasionally. what i struggled with was the work and the stress and the insane pressure that was put on us. from year 7 to 11 I was 'the quiet smart kid who sat at the back silently doing her work and getting good grades relatively easily' so that was fine but when I got into sixth form, oH BOy. suddenly it wasn't easy anymore and the pressure was insane. the work load was ridiculous and I had the all consuming fear that sat in the pit of my stomach all day, every day that I wouldn't get the grades to get into uni. I remember having a complete break down over my art grade because the teacher told me i was going to fail and hysterically sobbing for about an hour until my then boyfriend literally carried me home.
turned out that I didn't fail my art course and I just scraped by into uni with my distinction in music.
however, i know I could have been spared half the anxiety and stress if the teachers hadn't been telling us since we were literally eleven that grades and school are the only things that actually matter in life, that everything else is a waste of time you should be spending on school and that if you don't get into uni you really might as well just jump off the nearest bridge.
that's such a damaging mindset to be putting on kids. it's so fucked when you think about it. they make you believe that literally the only truly important thing in your entire life is school and grades. well that's what i believed for a while anyway.
If you're in school now please know that it's not the only thing there is, it's important, granted, but it's not THE most important thing.
learning compassion and empathy and how to love yourself are far more important than algebra in my opinion.
As soon as I finished school I forgot almost everything I remembered short term for tests. Schools don't care about you retaining knowledge, they just want you to to get through tests.
i mean who doesn't want to be a youtuber
Jacksapeach Me.
Jacksapeach Me, I don't
Any videos with you two is bound to be amazing
I like school too, Evan! I'm always hesitant to admit it to my classmates because of their overwhelming HATE for it.. but I always saw it as fun. I get to learn and talk to my friends, what's not to like? But it probably helps that there is minimal bullying at my school and that I stay out of any drama.
Evan, I really like your videos but I feel like you might be a little ignorant on bullying. I'm not calling you stupid or mean, i'm just saying I don't know if you've ever really felt the pressure that most kids feel. Even if it's just someone calling you a snitch or talking behind your back, the pressure to fit in is so strong. It's really great that you're so confident and don't care about what people think about you, but that's not the case for a lot of people. Kids will literally threaten you and your reputation an since the whole school will pin you as a snitch and will exclude you, your friends (if you have any) will feel the pressure of hanging out with someone who's seen as a weirdo. Finding friends is hard in itself for people who are not easily approachable or who prefer to be alone. Anyone who is different, no matter who they are, is told they are a freak and a loser. You know what teachers do about this? Jack shit. They think that because its not technically bullying as in physically or verbally, that it doesn't matter. I also disagree with what you said about failing a class. Right now i'm so close to passing, but i'm failing math. My whole life I've been told i was smart and a nerd and i even got into the advanced math class last year, but i'm still failing. Its about a quarter of the way into the year and i'm failing a subject miserably. I'm trying my hardest (studying, taking notes, meeting the teacher, extra credit) but none of it is working. Its not that i'm not trying. its that I don't get it.
I get the feeling of failing when you're a nerd. I was smart but when my mental health took over I was unable to keep up. I'm now in top set triple science and am getting fails every paper I take. I care so fucking much and I am so motivated but getting a paper ,that you thought you did well in, come back as a fail, its really demotivating
I used to like school but I got into year 9 and I hated it the stress of GCSEs is massive it's not fair on people my age especially when we don't get the right support/ the schools don't have enough money to pump into student welfare :(
I like learning but I hate everything that comes with it, the hierarchy that's in place that means you can't really speak to certain people or you get slagged off for it and honestly it's ridiculous, I know you say you're here to learn but you spend 6hrs plus a day there it's not like you can socially isolate yourself from everyone
School is so much harder without someone to fall back on, really sorry you had to go through this.
Evil! School fucked me up
I enjoyed this video so much. And the style, guys :D
man, I've always felt very isolated with regards to how I viewed school, but I gotta say I agree with everything Evan said. I've always been a firm believer that all you need is effort to succeed, and obviously, like Evan noted, it isn't that simple, but that is just how I've always viewed things, and I really enjoyed listening to this conversation and almost feeling like my own thoughts were being voiced haha. really love your stuff Evan by the way, you always keep us entertained and on our toes! thank you x
I love school my life's boring without it and I love school mainly due to amazing friends and good teachers
Same I get bored out of my mind at the end of the summer holidays
Same, just wish it was 2 hours shorter ;3
same!
I'm very recently started my first year of high school (in America) and here's my feelings:
the things I appreciate about school:
- learning about the things that interest me and will help me be successful in the future in the the careers I want to pursue
- seeing my friends, or the people I actually want to spend time with, and making memories with them (even if I don't see them as much I want)
- the structure/schedule that keeps my brain from becoming mushy and mental health somewhat in the healthy range
- being pushed to be a better a person and strive for excellence, even in the areas I don't have a passion for
things about school that wear me down:
- being surrounded by mostly negative energy all day (especially in middle/high school)
- having to dedicate chunks of time for subjects you really don't care about in order to succeed in them (for me these classes usually include most math, P.E., and some science classes)
- juggling all 50 things in your lap that all seem like the end of the world when you're 14, while also helping others juggle their 50 things
School isn't so bad if you focus on being a good person and doing what you need to do to achieve the level and success you want, and if you find a good group of people, but it sure isn't the most ideal situation.
I would rather go to school because I LOVE school and all of the people there. Even though it feels like I'm making myself go crazy by going, there is nothing better than the feeling you get when you finally understand a concept.
For the home-school question, I actually learned significantly more when I was home schooled vs when I went to "real school", so the question makes me laugh to myself a little=) If you've got parents who really care about your education, homeschooling is the greatest thing ever. If you've got the ones who give you a workbook and call it good, "real school" is a far better option.
i really like your chats with people, i'm 50/50 about school at the moment. i'm in year 11 so the stress of gcse is getting to me but i enjoy school generally. love ya 💓
"I get aroused" -Evan edinger when talking about fall.
This is why I love evan edinger as a creator. Quality comments like that.
But wait. EVAN. What instrument did you play?
Kaylee Touw exactly my question ^. Band kids must stick together
Susannah Offenbacher Ooo,wait what instrument?
Trombone. You?
Former clarinet person! Although the trombone has always seemed really cool, especially because it doesn't have set keys like most other band instruments.
Yeah I used to play woodwinds, but having too many keys was too much for my fingers to keep up with!
Such an interesting video, Evan! I miss school and wanna go back so much, it's ridiculous. Also, I relate to being "smart one" and then not being
I always loved school and dreaded going on holiday. Now, studying for my engineering degree, I still love learning, but all the social situations make me so anxious I struggle to get myself to go there every day.
i got bullied by one of my teachers for a year, had loads of meetings, school did nothing, had to stay in that same class for another 2 years whilst then dealing with mental health issues
I do relate to Evan a lot actually on his view of school as an academic high achieving person
Your videos are always so interesting and insightful, keep it up!
I have a love hate relationship with school. There are times where I'm so glad I have a routine, a time schedule, being with friends, learning. But there are other times where I can't muster up the energy to get out of bed because I can't handle the stress and pressure the teachers will put on me that day. And it starts to massively affect my mental health. One of the biggest problems I face at my school is that it seems as though they're trying to strip your personality away, and make you the same as everyone else. And I am someone who is so different in many ways, in the way I think, dress, talk, and yes I know everyone is different, but I feel even more different. I go to a different school on Mondays for one of my chosen subjects, and everything is so much chill there, the students are allowed to express themselves, wether it's by dying their hair, piercings, or even expressing sexuality or gender. In my school, it seems heavily suppressed. I'm queer and non-binary, and when I try to express that, it's frowned upon, and I'm always hearing people using gay as a hate word. The teachers don't do anything about it. I've been there for 5years and not once have I heard the issue being talked about.
I didn't mean for this to turn into a rant. I'm just an angry child who has feelings
I've had two teachers who I really dislike. One who taught German, which was one of my weaker subjects. I would try and answer questions but she would shout at anyone who got anything wrong, but then complain that I never tried.
I'm in year 9 and my English teacher gives us year 11 reading papers with no help, tell us that they were really easy and that we should be able to do them by now.
Two years later I love German because of my teacher. I'm still not the best at the subject, but having an encouraging teacher makes all the difference, in my opinion xx
*hisses and scurries away* eeeeeEVIL
We had this one text in Science of Education that talked about how negative it can be to praise your kids. It causes exactly what Evan describes: kids start to see "the smart one"/"the funny one"/"the nice one" as their identity and lose themselves if they fail. They start thinking that their performance equals their worth as a person. I've experienced this all my life and I don't think it will ever really stop. And I can tell you, it's horrible always seeing everything as a competition that threatens your identity.
So here's advice: Compliment people, especially kids, if they did well on something because they tried hard. But don't say things like "you did well because you're smart", that can be sooo damaging.
"both of these things do not compatible!" *claps loudly* well done on your amazing English luke!
I hate school, I'm in my last year of sixth form and nothing quite prepares you for Sunday night panic attacks
Problem with schools is they refuse to acknowledge mental health problems, at least mine anyway
bluebubble19 same well my school does but they play favorites so i get ignored and many others that really need help
Abbie Jayne my friend group and I have spent our entire high school time (with the exception of this year) looking out for a girl who has Aspergers because she got teased all the time for it. The school never did anything to help her. In fact, they often suspended her and put her in isolation when she retaliated. She's left now. Needless to say, she hated school too.
I'm in college now and prefer it so much more than high school. I like being independent. It's fab☺️
I loved school overall.
I always struggled with Maths, and no matter what teacher that taught me, I could never grasp the work. But then I'm year 10, I had this new maths teacher, and I completely loved her, she made the problems easier for me to understand. I loved the way she taught and I got a C in my GCSE. It was one of my favourite moments of school because I realised that, im not actually "bad" at maths, it's just the teacher's way of teaching the problems that I couldn't understand.
The thing I didn't like at school was that we weren't allowed to pick all of our favourite subjects for gcse. I chose French, Spanish, Music and Art. But I know a lot of my friends couldn't choose what they wanted because they were mostly "practical" subjects and the teachers forced them to choose other subjects.
I'm in college now and I love it. But I do miss school. I miss choir, that was my favourite thing about school :'(
My teacher used to yell at me whenever I went in English coz i forgot my book once as my dad took the wrong bag to work. And she told me i would amount to nothing. She would constantly humiliate me
I love learning, the routine of school and general feeling of achieving. The social stuff is good for you too when people are pleasant. However ever since my first year of high school I've felt like an outsider, and bc friendship issues and being treated shittily I got really depressed and anxious.
After been picked on by a few teachers too, (mostly male and P.E) I went into this year with no confidence. All year I have had this new issue where I feel like i'm being judged by every teacher, since i'm more sad and quiet, and got picked on previously. I barely know how to look at teachers and not over think what their impression is of me. I hate it so much but I don't know how to get over it. No one else has this issue so it makes me feel crazy. I'm always worried about how I look to peers and teachers so I can hardly concentrate on learning, and I always feel fatigued from depression which makes it even harder to get up in the morning.
I should be writing an essay right now. This is more important
Omg this is the MOST RELATABLE VID EVERR!!!
There is no better feeling than moving up from year 11 to sixth form. Everything just seems to change(depending on where you go). I go to a sixth form college at the moment(second year of it) and the teachers are so much better to the point where I can just have a conversation with them. At times they can sometimes feel more like friends than teachers and for me that gives me the motivation to work harder. Without a doubt the single best part of it all, even more so than wearing your own clothes and being allowed to leave the grounds during break times, is that you do only the subjects you choose to do(as long as you've got the important GCSEs at at least a C). I'm doing engineering which is so much more suited to my interests than any subject I did at GCSE and again it just gives me that motivation to get up and work hard because I actually care about the subject itself as well as the grades
12 fucking weeks?!
well more like 10, but more like 16 for university (my experience)
Evan Edinger I only get 6. I'm jealous
Evan Edinger we have like 8
Anna Kuykendall. Better than me though
I'm at a British academy school and I got 8 but in primary I got 6 😕
Listen, I don't want to overstep my bounds or anything, it's your youtube channel, your world, you're a real Julius Caesar. But I'll tell you how I feel about school: It's a waste of time. A bunch of people running around, bumping into each other; a guy up front says, "two plus two," the people in the back say, "four," then the bell rings and they give you a carton of milk and a piece of paper that says you can go take a dump or something. It's not a place for smart people. And I know that's not a popular opinion, but it's my two cents on the issue.
lmao isn't that a rick and morty quote
It's so interesting hearing your different views regarding school a few years after you have finished!
Anyway, I quite like school with few lessons being exceptions but that's because of bad teachers who don't seem to care about our education. I'm also glad that I was forced to learn biology and chemistry a few years ago when I hated it because now I'm doing them at A level and I'm loving them!
I am online schooled, so I do not get as much social interaction as I would want, but every time I get to talk to someone I am not related to, I appreciate it more.
For me, college was more stressful because it went much faster and I cared more. To even keep my head above water and learn everything (because I genuinely wanted to) I had to study for HOURS every day. There wasn't much homework, as opposed to high school, but there seemed to be so much more To learn and so much less time to do it in.
I think people really exaggerate the need for social skills as an arguing point for public schooling. I've known so many homeschooled people and they're so much mentally healthier than people who went to public school. Granted, a few weren't very motivated and didn't learn nearly as much, but you find that in public school kids too. They're also not as beaten down by tests and all that. I personally think homeschooling is better because you can tailor the teaching to the needs of the child, as opposed to a pre-approved system that's not forgiving and tells you you're stupid if you can't keep up.
Then again, I think a lot of people do need the structure of that kind of system TO motivate them. They need the stress and the pressure or they just wouldn't do it at all. But I do think that the emphasis on testing is awful, and tons of homework is very unnecessary for most subjects. One of my favorite college classes was actually Art History. It was never something I had an particular interest in, but the class was nothing but a three hour lecture twice a week, and a very brief 5 question quiz at the start of each class. That's it. If you took decent notes and studied them, you could pass easily. I loved it. No pressure at all. I came to the class excited to learn the new things. We never had to read; the teacher went chapter by chapter through PowerPoint presentations on only the things we'd be tested on. I found it fascinating. I took notes at my own pace and that's all that was needed. It let me become engrossed in what was being presented as opposed to being stressed about all the little dates and details that don't matter in the big picture. It was a very "big picture" kind of class, and it was perfect. Just the way history should be taught, I think.
So anyway, my point is that the best way to enjoy school is to find what works for you and to work around that the best you can. The downside is that most young people don't care enough or have the support they need at that age to figure it out. Not much one can do about that though.
MARRY ME EVAN
does it give me a visa tho
Evan Edinger we can make it happen XD
What Luke said about an accident not happening in school is the exact opposite of mine, our school gets involved in EVERYTHING, whether online, or during the weekends, it sometimes feels really intrusive, but hearing what Luke said, I do realise it comes from a good place...
11:22 we have that now without the less knowledge (a bit) it’s called quarantine
*I was doing my English homework but Evan is more important*
Catherine M. Same, but I was doing maths.
still waiting for the moment I'll need derivative functions^^
work in marketing and they come in handy!
gosh that's one career path I'll never take, then. I'll suggest it to my boyfriend (mathematician), though.
I definitely think there is a strong difference between 'school' and 'knowledge'. I've always loved learning and feeling intelligent, but as somebody with severe anxiety, I didn't know what to do with myself at a traditional school. I loved impressing the teachers and having friends, but when I felt so out of place that I cried myself to sleep every night, I knew that there had to be another option. I now am schooling online and love it. The amount of communication and friends that I have are astounding, but I have all the befits of learning without the horror of having a panic attack every day. It's a dream.
I think one of the reasons why school feels/felt so evil to people is because everyone is supposed to learn the same way and at the same speed. Like you have a certain amount of weeks to learn these certain things from these certain books and if you don't, you fail or you get a lower grade. When in reality everyone learns differently. So, people feel inadequate or less than someone else. Of course there's the social aspect, bullying etc, as well but looking at it from a more educational standpoint. I really liked the video once again!! These spill the teas are still some of my favourites.
1st September!? We have to go back at like Mid- August or so in Scotland
yeet
Same and I live in the U.S
i like school and learning but i hate how they expect everything from you like to right a 100 page essay in 1 day in like yr 8 (that happened to me once 😣)
(American) I was bullied in elementary, middle and highschool. It wasn't until I got to college that I realized that it wasn't a "normal" thing. Being as I started college not long ago, I don't have any good friends yet. However, in this short amount of time I've figured out more who I am. I would never trade the forms of schooling that I've gone through for the world. It got me where I am now, and where I will eventually be!
I was home-schooled, for 6 years, thought to be an idiot and got all my GCSEs (7 Bs, 3 Cs, so not a genius, but not thick either) I hate the stigma that hangs around those who were home educated, my days in school caused me to develop anxiety and depression, being around people CONSTANTLY without possibility of a reprieve stressed me out and physically exhausted me. I am now in a college where I DON'T have to ask to go to the bathroom, or leave the room in general, they even have rooms set aside for when students are overwhelmed for whatever reason, whereas at school the closest thing they have to that is the nurses office that had many other kids would be, the only way a teacher would believe that you were unwell is if you throw up or pass out, they barely BELIEVED my panic attacks, doesn't matter if you have never been late/skipped/missed home work/been disruptive, you were automatically seen as the bad guy (guilty until proven innocent then guilty again) schools need an update, they literally haven't changed since the Victorian era when they were getting children ready to work in factories - sit still, heads down, work in silence, raise hand, ask for permission to do something that is a basic human urge! I don't hate school, I enjoyed learning every subject I was taught at some point or another, I LIKE getting up early and walking in the crisp morning, this isn't about that, its about how students are treated by both teachers and peers.
idk how i feel about school. bc sometimes you think it's okay, and a safe space. and then a teacher or w/e says to respect everyone's opinions and protects the homophobic/transphobic/racist/sexist kid. or you get told that it's already happened so there's no changing it. and teachers sometimes teach their opinions instead of facts which is dangerous.
Im in highschool and start tomorrow and I’m fully convinced it’s evil
I really value the fact that the education system allows us (at least in the UK) to study a variety of subjects. :)
How the hell did I not notice that this video was posted a day after my birthday?? Love you Luke and Evan.
all my "friends" think I'm weird and blatantly ignore me and my teachers hate me so I hate going to school lol
so, according to me, school can go fuck itself
Aawww... me too love. I've just started homeschooling and it helps with all that. I recommend it 110%. ❤❤ Feel better love!
The School for Good and Evil by Soman Chainani
I was severely bullied at school and at home. No matter how many times I went and told someone, nothing was ever remotely fixed. "I'll have a word with them." Was all that happened if anything were to happen at all. Even if the bullies have a hard time at home, that's no excuse to make others feel as shit as them. I was never stressed over exams, it was the months of stress and anxiety building up beforehand to make you do well.
In conclusion, I hated everything about school, the clubs, the people, the teachers and coming home afterwards to an abusive parent. I hated my teen years
' Boy Scout meeting I sound so cool' love you guys together XD
Hey, Evan :) i love your stuff and always watch your videos but I cant help feeling a little uncomfortable with this video. I've had a school experience similar to lukes and i feel like whenever luke was speaking you sort of spoke over him before he could explain the actual emotional impact of what it was like. It might also just be the edit or my own sensitivity but i couldnt help feeling like you wanted to say your own opinion more than listen to an opposing one. But regardless of that i feel a bit .. frustrated. I agree with pretty much everything luke said and i do think school is an amazing opportunity to learn and get used to structures, yet hearing someone say "i just worked hard" or "o was smart" makes me angry. I feel like you tend to assume we are all the same type of person, but just better or worse at using our traits which really isnt true. I was a smart kid and wrote good grades without studying in the subjects that i liked, yet the actuality of the school system was that i could excell in most subjects but failing nore than two hindered me from being considered a good student or graduating with good grades. I was never a studier so "just working harder" was impossible. In order to show up most days and participate while also maintaining a state of mental health that dodnt result in any serious harm done my school work dragged. If i would have tried harder i would have quickly lost all of my energy and crashed mentally. So i was trying all i could but because it didnt match the standardized categories of success i was still told to do more whoch further applied stress and finally resulted in having to drop out of a level college a year early in order to preserve my mental health.
The people that arent ending up with good grades often are trying their hardest but their best doesnt fit in with what school wants.
You're definitely not alone in what you thought of the video. It really did feel like Evan just wasn't listening to Luke's side at all, the whole time just insisting that school is great because of his own positive experience.
I have to learn compulsory Welsh. They don't teach the language right, it's a dying language and it's really annoying having to use the Welsh alphabet
Molly Owen I'm the exact same as you I live in irreland nd the language here is forced and horrible and my Irish teacher makes us speak Irish only
I learned Welsh to! I actually chose to do is as a full GCSE too (before it was compulsory) so I had two different Welsh classes a week. I felt like I wasn't learning the language though. I mean, in Wales we learn Welsh from a very young age and I feel like my vocab never enhanced, even though I ended up with an A. I also don't even remember most of it now and that was only two years ago haha!
I definitely know how lucky I am to have learnt the language, it's why I decided to do the full course. My best friend is in a Welsh speaking school and she would get in trouble for speaking English. I just wish I learnt it more fluently! It's a beautiful and complex language!
Linnet Lewis In a society increasing in competitiveness, you need to teach to demand, while Welsh may be a beautiful language, it just doesn't suit today's education model.
*I love languages, just thinking of demand
Evan, we had such similar school experiences. I struggled with not being the smartest in a class after being so for a long time.
I'd still go to school for a change of environment, opportunities, excursions, canteen foods, teachers, and the fact it's mandatory time with friends for most of the week.
I hated school. Had no real friends, bullied, dealing with mental health problems without knowing what they were, dealing with physical health problems, hated having a huge a lack of control and being forced to interact with people I had no interest in. I was also the younger, stupider sister so that was my identity. Was in 5 band groups. I hated it so much. I refused, however, to give up on learning and now have a BSc and looking to start a MRes :)