Still, pandemic helped rollback Melee. Since people that like fighting games can't play on their games crappy connection, they can get their fix from Melee
@@MrcaliciousHyphy Fox always does better theoretically, but Falco's laser pressure in neutral is way better than having to constantly undershoot/overshoot as Fox is better in practice.
Falco does better than Fox at most levels cuz of lasers. No Marths can powershield them as well as Zain does, and the fact that Falco can apply uncommital pressure to find openings with laser makes it much easier for him to get the openings he needs to win, whereas Fox has to put his neck out there and just purely has to use close range tools to outspace and find openings against this character that outranges the shit out of him and can delete his stock off literally the slightest fuck up. In theory Falco might do worse in a world where every Marth is sending like 80% of his lasers back at him the way Zain does, but that just isnt reality. Against literally every Marth, except Zain, having that non-committal tool that can lock down Marth from just constantly swinging at you whenever he wants, and gives you the frame advantage to pressure him into openings is VERY advantageous compared to how Fox has to approach the MU. End of the day Marth still beats both characters tho.
Amazing comeback from Mango. I love that if you go from 12:25 to 13:25, in just a minute's time, Mango goes from nearly getting knocked out at 4th place in Game 4 to gaining a huge 4-to-2 stock lead in Game 5. He is momentum in Melee
6:43 Literally, I think the second episode of MioM from 2012 was scar talking about why there should be bans in best of 5 sets. That's at least 8 years.
You can tell most of the couch are spacies mains. In the beginning was Zain was flat out playing Mang0 they're all complaining about Marth and his abilities. Last game when Mang0 starts doing spacie shit it's suddenly the most surprising thing ever lol.
I feel like these commentators are somewhat biased especially Leffen. Sure marth is lame but how is nobody giving Zain credit for powershielding Mango's lasers? props to both amazing players!
that was awesome!!! what an insane level of skill. it is so cool to see the old and new players at the (more or less) same level. Ultimate is always being changed which means you can never really master it on the Ninja level like these two have. also every time Ultimate gets tweaked, they remove a potential meta-game. long live Melee!!!
@mendaix No I dont think many people actually like him. But atleast he is honest about being a dick and having an ego. People dont like HIM, but they do like the fact that he is there, because its fun to have a blatant "villain". Its much better than other players that pretend to be super humble and nice but in reality have a huge ego and just want people to see them as the victim and be the center of attention. Thats just frustrating and cringey to watch.
@mendaix tons of people love leffen. hes one of the most inspiring fox players the world has ever seen. he might have a bad attitude, but doesnt change the fact that he has accomplished phenomenal things in his career playing smash.
I think people overplay it a lot because the things people say about him were true. Keyword WERE true. He is just like everyone else in the scene nowadays. Man but back then, boy did I hate the guy.
Game Start: 2:15
thanks
-8:55
Scar: "lookin like a minute and thirty second game"
game ends at exactly 6:30
nice call
BOBBY SCAR!
he read the read
TOPH THE READS!
Leffen: "This will be one of the best years for melee ever."
:( why dude
Still, pandemic helped rollback Melee. Since people that like fighting games can't play on their games crappy connection, they can get their fix from Melee
Technically it was. We have made new moves for online and improvement from players is better than ever.
12:27 was so clutch, what a combo
8:08 "If your not willing to suck at something, you'll never get good at it" Scar hit me with that life wisdom :')
Gotta say this commentary was probably some of the best I have heard in a while, everyone had really good input. Especially Bobby
I LOVE BBB on the mic.
foxes cry about the match-up but Mango delivers
@K D
Yeah, but it’s debatably harder than Fox vs. Marth. Both Zain and Mang0 think Fox does better against Marth than Falco does.
@@MrcaliciousHyphy Fox always does better theoretically, but Falco's laser pressure in neutral is way better than having to constantly undershoot/overshoot as Fox is better in practice.
K D
One has lasers and the other just has to overshoot or fade back ariels. Ultimately getting grabbed lol
To be fair, they only complain about Zain's Marth. That's just a clear testament that Zain is a godlike player.
Falco does better than Fox at most levels cuz of lasers. No Marths can powershield them as well as Zain does, and the fact that Falco can apply uncommital pressure to find openings with laser makes it much easier for him to get the openings he needs to win, whereas Fox has to put his neck out there and just purely has to use close range tools to outspace and find openings against this character that outranges the shit out of him and can delete his stock off literally the slightest fuck up. In theory Falco might do worse in a world where every Marth is sending like 80% of his lasers back at him the way Zain does, but that just isnt reality. Against literally every Marth, except Zain, having that non-committal tool that can lock down Marth from just constantly swinging at you whenever he wants, and gives you the frame advantage to pressure him into openings is VERY advantageous compared to how Fox has to approach the MU. End of the day Marth still beats both characters tho.
11:33 Here begins the $2 billion game.
The set was looking unwinnable for Mango in games 2-3.
@Matias Flores Zain isn't a "new player" lol. No "new players" win majors. Everyone at this level is a top player.
You've never taken a set off Mango? Are you new or something?
Jacques L newness doesn’t necessarily have anything to do w the skill of a player. In the grand scheme of things, Zain definitely is a “new” player
@Matias Flores Zain isn't really a " new" player though. He's been playing melee competitively since 2014.
Amazing comeback from Mango. I love that if you go from 12:25 to 13:25, in just a minute's time, Mango goes from nearly getting knocked out at 4th place in Game 4 to gaining a huge 4-to-2 stock lead in Game 5. He is momentum in Melee
Lol "what if we didn't?" the way that was said made me crack up
Mango played out of his MIND game 5
Damn this set was such a turnaround.
Mentality baby.
The whole time they are complaining about Zain Mango is just getting it done.
Mango does the impossible with the bird, he is the Falco Master.
They? I think you just mean leffen complaining
2:59 my face when I get grabbed by marth
mathwizard296 this comment is so underrated
This Top 4 is so good.
another close set, well played
last stock game 4 was sick
6:43 Literally, I think the second episode of MioM from 2012 was scar talking about why there should be bans in best of 5 sets. That's at least 8 years.
“We’re all crazy.” 🙃
Game 4 was such good melee
You can tell most of the couch are spacies mains. In the beginning was Zain was flat out playing Mang0 they're all complaining about Marth and his abilities. Last game when Mang0 starts doing spacie shit it's suddenly the most surprising thing ever lol.
@@NeZCheese comed?
mango and zain have like at least 2 of the top 10 sets of melee I fucking LOVE watching them play in tournament
Why was ibdw complaining about marth, when mango can win with the bird.
I think he said Falco does better than Fox though, at least on FD.
@UltimateShamrock what
mango tried to adapt to zains powershield with turnaround powershield at the beginning of game 5
such a sexy set from both players. this is why we all luv melee still!!!
"Mango said zain was gonna be a problem" then leffen is like "ive been saying that before anyone"
Mogul Moves>Golden Guardians
LETS GOOOOO MANGO
i swear this tournament was like the best melee has ever looked picture quality wise
I loved this set so much life is going good right now
This is fast as hell.
I feel like these commentators are somewhat biased especially Leffen. Sure marth is lame but how is nobody giving Zain credit for powershielding Mango's lasers? props to both amazing players!
Idk which was better, the play or the commentary
What are they talking about at 6:40? I didn't hear what leffen said. I heard "we need to ban bo5" but I'm not sure
Bird Up! Let's go!
What is that camera angle at 1:02
that was awesome!!! what an insane level of skill. it is so cool to see the old and new players at the (more or less) same level. Ultimate is always being changed which means you can never really master it on the Ninja level like these two have. also every time Ultimate gets tweaked, they remove a potential meta-game. long live Melee!!!
Homeless Emperor vs Aladdin
Lmao
Mango got his powers from the Melee gods
@@MrSlowpez10 but.......he is one
14:00 Jesus Christ. Mango is wild.
Ayo whoever doing these artworks is a god
just wondering is mango drunk half the time he plays?
Leffen at 14:21
Mang0 Nation! FOX MCLOUD!!!
17:08
Mango Nation
Fox McCloud
Falco Lombardi x)
This set was fucking insane
1:38 ouch
Bobby Big Balls, the Unblinking GOD
Lets go Mang0
Mangoat
these commentators are all space animal shills. Give Zain credit for being a god!!
"Zain just grabbed four times in a row..." yeah Bobby has played Zain A LOT lol
the conversation at the start is so sad to hear at the momment
:(
Good stuff mango, you'll get him next time Zain
MANGOOOO MANGOOOO MANGOOOO
Is leffen high? Haha
Smashers everywhere had to clean up some cream after this set jfc
LETS FUCKING GO MANGO
The losers bracket run
The anxiety lol
As much as i watch Zain, i always skip Zain V spaice on FD
Let’s go Mangooo
G5 holy shit
Mango Kumbaiyae!
Fucking. L E G E N D
God I love melee
Here after watching Ken vs. Bombsoldier
Amazing
Does anyone like Leffen? Half of twitter is blocked by him! the guy has a huge ego
@mendaix No I dont think many people actually like him. But atleast he is honest about being a dick and having an ego. People dont like HIM, but they do like the fact that he is there, because its fun to have a blatant "villain". Its much better than other players that pretend to be super humble and nice but in reality have a huge ego and just want people to see them as the victim and be the center of attention. Thats just frustrating and cringey to watch.
i like leffen
@mendaix tons of people love leffen. hes one of the most inspiring fox players the world has ever seen. he might have a bad attitude, but doesnt change the fact that he has accomplished phenomenal things in his career playing smash.
I think people overplay it a lot because the things people say about him were true. Keyword WERE true. He is just like everyone else in the scene nowadays. Man but back then, boy did I hate the guy.
@@gilgamesh5796 That's America's motto. "He's an asshole, but at least he's honest."
Mango played so bad this whole tournament