the drill idea came from construction workers playing in the studio .... the studio was not zoned so ed built a racketball court and then built the studio after wards... every year he added to the court until the permit laws changed..then he added all of the power and electrical connections to make the studio!
Eddie utilizing his tweaked gear invented THE metal/heavy sound we enjoy today by countless rock bands. You don't hear people crediting him for that, but it is a fact.
@@pancakes7294 notice I didn’t say “heavy metal”?? It was common in the late 70’s and 80’s for music media and magazine writers to classify VH to a rock&roll, hard rock and/or heavy metal band. Due to the hard driving repetition riffs and extreme vocal screaming associated with heavy metal music. Sometimes they were bluesy, sometimes light rock. But NOTE to remember for yourself: melody/melodic passages are very common qualities in heavy metal. Malmsteen, Rhoads, Scorpions and Metallica and Lamb of God all had/have tons of melody. Fact is that in Ed’s quest for guitar tone it led him to inventing the tone that soon-later metal players strived to achieve in getting. If you dial up the best “early Eddie VH” tone on your amp it is definitely setup to play Megadeth, Slayer and Lamb OF God. Nobody nailed THE heaviest of guitar tone before Eddie, then everyone followed his ingredients, or built and expanded from his tone template. Ed didn’t like being labeled, much less labeled as “heavy metal”. But again the facts are that he created the tone and style that was emulated by vast masses of heavy metal guitar players. That’s huge.
I don't know if Ed would particularly want credit for that. He was all about tone. Metal isn't exactly a repository of tone. Very few players REALLY understand tone. Almost none do. He may have influenced the tech, but most players completely missed the most important core lessons about tone.
@@e.l.norton As I said in my comment, Ed didn’t like being labeled as “metal”. Metal music in your words “not a repository of tone” is smug and reveals that you may have not really absorbed “guitar tone” in the metal genre fairly enough to opine with any real analytical background in metal. I personally know incredible musicians and tone junkies that can’t take 2 seconds of metal music listening. I’m gonna assume metal is not your cup of tea. Why would you want to analyze it if you don’t like the style in general?
Van Halen played everything ... speed metal, Heavy Metal ,HardRock, Rock,.Blues,Country,Funk..shit Dave almost sounds like he's rapping on Mean Streets
F.U.C.K. is the best sounding Van Halen album of the Hagar era. The Extremist is the best sounding album Satriani's ever released. Andy Johns is the man.
Wrong on both accounts but I can’t hate on those picks. They are both great sounding records, but I think both satriani snd Van Halen have better sounding ones
Don’t listen to Zimmerman . He’s a twat. Those ARE the best sounding albums of both careers and if you say any different , you’re lying to yourself. Balance sounds amazing , too.
one f'n bombastic sounding album, best drum sounds since Bonzo...the live album RHRN is also one of the best sounding live albums next to Live At Leeds and TRSTS...I can't believe that EVH didn't know what double tracking was...I guess he just plugged in and never talked shop with TT... VH cut live tracks, very few overdubs, probably spent more time doing backing vocals on one track that basic tracks for a full record...
Well, Paul was using the drill with picks on the end to pick the strings, but Eddie had just used it by holding it up to the pickups and using it as a sound effect. I don't know when Paul started doing the drill thing. I know he used it in his solo on the tour for the first Mr. Big album, which came out in 1989 or 90. Then Lean Into It has the drill dual solo in the first song, which came out in March of 91. Poundcake was June of 91. So timing wise, Paul was doing it before Poundcake came out. I doubt Eddie was aware of it, but who knows? Van Halen was really big but their last album was 88. Paul and Eddie had never toured together, but Eddie lived in SoCal and could've easily heard about or seen Paul play around Los Angeles. How plugged into the scene was he? How much did he really want to check out other guitarists? Or was he wrapped up in his own stuff? I dunno... It was quite a few brain cells in the past, but I sort of remember Eddie's story being that they were doing some construction/remodeling in the studio behind his house, there happened to be a drill there, he picked it up and pulled the trigger and could hear it through the amp.
richard polk I'm certainly not making an argument that either one was influenced by the other, especially since they both used the technique completely differently, we're just discussing which might be the first. Just because someone did something doesn't mean everyone else doing something similar is copying them. There are plenty of techniques I've "discovered" on my own, only to find out someone else had been doing it long before I even knew how to play. Did I copy them? Did I think I was original? An innovator? Nope, I just did something I thought was neat and made a cool noise. Everything is not a "I DID IT FIRST" competition. When Eddie first came out, there were a lot of people claiming Eddie "invented" tapping, even though Steve Hackett was doing it with Genesis well before Eddie. Eddie never knew about Hackett's tapping, never considered himself an innovator, never bothered with who did what first, he just went out and made music. He saw Jimmy Page doing Dazed and Confused and doing pull-offs with one hand to an open string and discovered that he could do the same thing but not be restricted to just doing it with open strings so he could do it in any key. Music isn't a race or competition, it's just music. As for who cares, obviously people are interested in discussing the origin of ideas. It's when people's agendas and limited knowledge get involved that things get stupid and argumentative. "Paul did it first!" `Nuh uh! Steve Hackett!' Stringed instruments have been around a long time so it's likely that somewhere along the line someone used their non-fretting hand on the fingerboard of a violin or lute somewhere along the lines. It doesn't take an astrophysicist to make the leap of logic to say, "Hey, I've got all of these other fingers here, I wonder if I can make noise with those too."
Agreed, Ed did not invent tapping, he certainly took it to a different level and popularized it. In a way, I like some of his other stuff better than the tapping!
Hey let me say we discovered the drill thing in my garage one day in 1987 it was the old ones so they had the continuation not like now just dead stopping.So anyone could have found the same just because a star does it its like oh he made that up well not even close.
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge (1990 I think) was produced by Andy Johns. It's the best sounding Van Halen album. Also check out the Extremist by Satch, also produced by Andy Johns
In the beginning , Donn Landee really did all the work . Eddie said so himself . From the beginning , he told stories about how no one liked Ed's opinion on a song or songs and wanted NO change to a song . Then Ed and Donn would go back to Sunset Studios when everyone else was gone and recut the song to Ed's liking . The next day no-one could tell the difference . This happened often .
john glyn and ethan johns record production/eng credits are too long to list ANYWHERE. i mean stones,band,television,beatls,VH, who,free,ryan adams, clapton,blind faith, led zepp,J Tull Humble Pie john hiatt etcetcetc
I knew Andy quite well. But that story about the drill is B.S. I did it first and showed it to him. Then he showed it to HOL and then HOL fired him and then he went over to EVH and the drill ended up on both records. Once on kiss of fire HOL which came out first (Which Andy Produced....just did not mix) and then a few months later on VH UN. Fact.
ua-cam.com/video/14XV2Ws2TWE/v-deo.html (Drill through rear PUP.... not played by me, Andy had another guy do it who made the mistake of omitting delay and the front pup)
Great story Andy!
I grew up on that VH album.
Rest In Peace Ed! Appreciate you so so much
RIP Andy what a genius!! POUNDCAKE - Use of the drill.....
the drill idea came from construction workers playing in the studio .... the studio was not zoned so ed built a racketball court and then built the studio after wards... every year he added to the court until the permit laws changed..then he added all of the power and electrical connections to make the studio!
i can still remember hearing van halen debut album 1978 like it was yesterday cassette actually rest in peace ed we will keep your music alive
great sounding record .. you can definitely hear Andy's touch.
Rest In Peace Andy....
Eddie utilizing his tweaked gear invented THE metal/heavy sound we enjoy today by countless rock bands. You don't hear people crediting him for that, but it is a fact.
Van Halen really isn’t heavy metal, it’s too melodic.
@@pancakes7294 notice I didn’t say “heavy metal”?? It was common in the late 70’s and 80’s for music media and magazine writers to classify VH to a rock&roll, hard rock and/or heavy metal band. Due to the hard driving repetition riffs and extreme vocal screaming associated with heavy metal music. Sometimes they were bluesy, sometimes light rock. But NOTE to remember for yourself: melody/melodic passages are very common qualities in heavy metal. Malmsteen, Rhoads, Scorpions and Metallica and Lamb of God all had/have tons of melody. Fact is that in Ed’s quest for guitar tone it led him to inventing the tone that soon-later metal players strived to achieve in getting. If you dial up the best “early Eddie VH” tone on your amp it is definitely setup to play Megadeth, Slayer and Lamb OF God. Nobody nailed THE heaviest of guitar tone before Eddie, then everyone followed his ingredients, or built and expanded from his tone template. Ed didn’t like being labeled, much less labeled as “heavy metal”. But again the facts are that he created the tone and style that was emulated by vast masses of heavy metal guitar players. That’s huge.
I don't know if Ed would particularly want credit for that. He was all about tone. Metal isn't exactly a repository of tone. Very few players REALLY understand tone. Almost none do. He may have influenced the tech, but most players completely missed the most important core lessons about tone.
@@e.l.norton As I said in my comment, Ed didn’t like being labeled as “metal”. Metal music in your words “not a repository of tone” is smug and reveals that you may have not really absorbed “guitar tone” in the metal genre fairly enough to opine with any real analytical background in metal. I personally know incredible musicians and tone junkies that can’t take 2 seconds of metal music listening. I’m gonna assume metal is not your cup of tea. Why would you want to analyze it if you don’t like the style in general?
Van Halen played everything ... speed metal, Heavy Metal ,HardRock, Rock,.Blues,Country,Funk..shit Dave almost sounds like he's rapping on Mean Streets
Andy was Awesome'
Eddie ❤️
R.I.P. Andy.......
F.U.C.K. is the best sounding Van Halen album of the Hagar era. The Extremist is the best sounding album Satriani's ever released. Andy Johns is the man.
Wrong on both accounts but I can’t hate on those picks. They are both great sounding records, but I think both satriani snd Van Halen have better sounding ones
Thanks for explaining what’s best for us.
Don’t listen to Zimmerman . He’s a twat. Those ARE the best sounding albums of both careers and if you say any different , you’re lying to yourself. Balance sounds amazing , too.
R.I.P. BROTHER
❤️
Who needs a fly-on-the-wall when you've got Andy?
Where's the rest of this?
I'd imagine he's had quite a few hangovers in his time. Nice colorful nail polish, you don't see that too often these days.
blew my fucking mind was the line that i was looking for maybe never worked with a player like that or yes- when Jimi Hendrix came over ..
one f'n bombastic sounding album, best drum sounds since Bonzo...the live album RHRN is also one of the best sounding live albums next to Live At Leeds and TRSTS...I can't believe that EVH didn't know what double tracking was...I guess he just plugged in and never talked shop with TT... VH cut live tracks, very few overdubs, probably spent more time doing backing vocals on one track that basic tracks for a full record...
want to hear more about it
Eddie was a crazy bastard. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
i remember Ted Templemen
This dude needs to take that Cavalry hat off!
Why?
I LOOOVE EVH, no complaints. Just curious, I thought I had seen Paul Gilbert using the drill-on-guitar routine...was that before or after poundcake?
Well, Paul was using the drill with picks on the end to pick the strings, but Eddie had just used it by holding it up to the pickups and using it as a sound effect.
I don't know when Paul started doing the drill thing. I know he used it in his solo on the tour for the first Mr. Big album, which came out in 1989 or 90. Then Lean Into It has the drill dual solo in the first song, which came out in March of 91. Poundcake was June of 91. So timing wise, Paul was doing it before Poundcake came out. I doubt Eddie was aware of it, but who knows? Van Halen was really big but their last album was 88. Paul and Eddie had never toured together, but Eddie lived in SoCal and could've easily heard about or seen Paul play around Los Angeles. How plugged into the scene was he? How much did he really want to check out other guitarists? Or was he wrapped up in his own stuff? I dunno...
It was quite a few brain cells in the past, but I sort of remember Eddie's story being that they were doing some construction/remodeling in the studio behind his house, there happened to be a drill there, he picked it up and pulled the trigger and could hear it through the amp.
JalenRawley Who cares? Ed's been copied so many times, he can copy someone else for a change, right? LOL
richard polk I'm certainly not making an argument that either one was influenced by the other, especially since they both used the technique completely differently, we're just discussing which might be the first. Just because someone did something doesn't mean everyone else doing something similar is copying them. There are plenty of techniques I've "discovered" on my own, only to find out someone else had been doing it long before I even knew how to play. Did I copy them? Did I think I was original? An innovator? Nope, I just did something I thought was neat and made a cool noise. Everything is not a "I DID IT FIRST" competition.
When Eddie first came out, there were a lot of people claiming Eddie "invented" tapping, even though Steve Hackett was doing it with Genesis well before Eddie. Eddie never knew about Hackett's tapping, never considered himself an innovator, never bothered with who did what first, he just went out and made music. He saw Jimmy Page doing Dazed and Confused and doing pull-offs with one hand to an open string and discovered that he could do the same thing but not be restricted to just doing it with open strings so he could do it in any key. Music isn't a race or competition, it's just music.
As for who cares, obviously people are interested in discussing the origin of ideas. It's when people's agendas and limited knowledge get involved that things get stupid and argumentative. "Paul did it first!" `Nuh uh! Steve Hackett!' Stringed instruments have been around a long time so it's likely that somewhere along the line someone used their non-fretting hand on the fingerboard of a violin or lute somewhere along the lines. It doesn't take an astrophysicist to make the leap of logic to say, "Hey, I've got all of these other fingers here, I wonder if I can make noise with those too."
Agreed, Ed did not invent tapping, he certainly took it to a different level and popularized it. In a way, I like some of his other stuff better than the tapping!
Hey let me say we discovered the drill thing in my garage one day in 1987 it was the old ones so they had the continuation not like now just dead stopping.So anyone could have found the same just because a star does it its like oh he made that up well not even close.
EVH is GOD
He looks and sounds smashed
I prefer the older VH albums where he kicks ass without another guitar track in the back. But in pure EVH style, he blew this dude's mind as well lol
Did he produce or just engineer?
That would be pouncake.
I thought Ted Templeman produced Van Halen?
For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge (1990 I think) was produced by Andy Johns. It's the best sounding Van Halen album. Also check out the Extremist by Satch, also produced by Andy Johns
In the beginning , Donn Landee really did all the work . Eddie said so himself . From the beginning , he told stories about how no one liked Ed's opinion on a song or songs and wanted NO change to a song . Then Ed and Donn would go back to Sunset Studios when everyone else was gone and recut the song to Ed's liking . The next day no-one could tell the difference . This happened often .
Templeman on the first 6
john glyn and ethan johns record production/eng credits are too long to list ANYWHERE. i mean stones,band,television,beatls,VH, who,free,ryan adams, clapton,blind faith, led zepp,J Tull Humble Pie john hiatt etcetcetc
I knew Andy quite well. But that story about the drill is B.S. I did it first and showed it to him. Then he showed it to HOL and then HOL fired him and then he went over to EVH and the drill ended up on both records. Once on kiss of fire HOL which came out first (Which Andy Produced....just did not mix) and then a few months later on VH UN. Fact.
ua-cam.com/video/14XV2Ws2TWE/v-deo.html (Drill through rear PUP.... not played by me, Andy had another guy do it who made the mistake of omitting delay and the front pup)
That wasnt nearly as cool a story as i thought, and was hoping it would be