Sharon Hill, Pennsylvania is 10 minutes from me. They used to take any broken Rose trowel and give you a new one. They make great striking irons, slickers, and sled runners too. W. Rose started out making swords back in the day. Thanks for making this video.
Andrew . I think all the w.rose trowels you have shown in the video are standard shank trowels not specific low lift trowels .I think most of the rose trowels on sale in the uk are standard shank trowels .What you are seeing I believe is the wide variation of the handle angle of what’s known as the w.rose standard shank trowel . The tang angle and the tang height as well as the handle angle varies an unbelievable amount in the w.rose standard shank trowel. I’ll change my profile picture and put up a picture of 2 w.rose standard shank trowels and you’ll see exactly what I mean . I had a w.rose so called standard shank trowel and the handle was parallel with the blade of the trowel.
Me and my brother snapped a w. Rose each in under a year. Ours we're both 12s, so quite long. The marshaltowns seem so much stronger. I've got a smaller rose now but the blade thickness and strength is second to marshaltowns. Maybe they mass produce now, I don't know. But I was surprised at how flimsy there are, after hearing all the great stories
Got 1 from speedcrete to try out plastic trowel but not keen on it prefer the proform handle. But the plastic handle did have W Rose written on it. Speedcrete deals direct with Kraft in America a got a proform wide heel from Kraft with proform handle. There digital catalog only had it in other handles but they sent 1 via speedcrete did have to weight about 2 months good for the block on flat.
Switched from a Marshalltown to a rose 12 months ago and it’s helped my wrists beyond belief. Carpal tunnel rarely comes and goes now compared to using the Marshalltown. Only downside is. 12 months in and the handle snapped so had to reorder a new handle. Great trowel in my opinion. Good video pal
I ripped tendons from my elbow backfilling trenches after a while marshalltown absolutely killed my elbow another bricklayer told me to purchase a wrose low lift the difference was unbelievable never use anything else now !!!
I got as a gift Rose trowel and look like I have that low lift handle. Can’t work. Got used to Marshaltown, non of them failed over the years. I don’t know how to bend up handle. Probably will trash it
Cheers bud looking at getting one over the weekend, just got to order them online so you can't get a feel of how flexible they are! I like a flexible trowel, but over the passed 10 years marshaltown has been slowly getting stiffer and stiffer, now I'd be better using a ♠️
Like the low lift much more speedcreate pretty good as they will look for a certain lift if you ring them up ( I don’t work for them ) Marshalltown seem to have got worse and worse in my opinion
According to speedcretes pdf catalog they only sell standard shank trowels . Unless they ordered a lowlift one from the states especially for you what you probably have is a standard shank one that looks like a low lift one.
Just purchased my first Rose, always used marshalltown myself, but a colleague of mine purchased a new marshalltown last year and within a couple of months the tip has bent, just ain't the same quality anymore.
@@JackGashRawandUncut I honestly can't advise mate as I've found them extremely difficult to find, try commenting on the comment below by Bric by Bric as he is more knowledgeable than me on the subject 👍
Alright Andy hope your well like you i chop and change i have a rose trowel but i havent used much can you alter the lift or should i say have you mate
@@afrokidd214 The low lift takes a bit of getting used to if you are used to a high lift but most people who have changed has said it cure there tennis elbow.
Is it Shawnee ks or shawneeks . Ks is the abbreviation for Kansas . Shawnee kansas is the headquarters of kraft tools who own w.rose . That’s interesting because I recently came across a real estate ad that had the w.rose factory unit listed for sale in sharon hill . So who knows if w.rose has been moved to Kansas and they are selling the factory or maybe w.rose never owned the sharon hill factory and third party owners are putting it up for sale with w.rose as sitting tenants .
Laying blocks is much different steel , starters in your way ,if you want to parge clean inside blocks low lift is better ,high lift is better for bricks better bed and hand control
There you go Andrew . Both of those w.rose trowels in my profile picture are w.rose standard shank trowels ( high lift ) ro 116 10 is the manufactures part number on the handles which marks them down as standard shank trowels. But they have totally different handle angles . I’ve been saying this for ages the w.rose standard shank trowels are anything but standard . They come with a wide variation in handle angle .
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 the only way you’ll know for certain you have or are getting a low lift trowel w.rose is through the mpn which are different from the standard shank mpn and even then , taking into account the wide variation of the standard shank w.rose trowels you couldn’t be sure if you order a low lift shank trowel you ll receive one you’ll get on with . I’ve seen a decent number of these rose trowels for sale on eBay uk from guys who have them a short time and most of then Who give a reason for selling say they bought it but couldn’t get on with them and if you private msg them they’ll Tell you the handle angle is the problem either way to high or way to low. You should always if you can buy your trowel in person but of all the trowel brands your trusting to luck if you buy a rose on line . Other trowel brands like Marshalltown will vary slightly in the handle angle but not as much as the rose . Iv never picked up a m.t trowel that I couldn’t get on with apart from one wooden handle one that I took the handle of and made adjustments to . But iv picked up plenty of roses that I couldn’t use.
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 that’s always a good idea , when a private seller is selling a specific trowel. But if your buying from a tool supplier you have no way of knowing what you’ll get sent regarding w.rose . As for asking any of the tool suppliers about anything we have discussed you’d be wasting your time they wouldn’t have a clue, one m.t or w.rose would be the same as the next with them apart from knowing the difference between a wide London narrow London Philadelphia . The most uniform of all the trowel brands iv come across is the Whs / tyzack, Handle angle on them is excellent. Certainly proclaiming a w.rose to be a standard shank or low lift shank trowel based on visual appearance is bring yourself down the wrong road . If buying a new rose it’s best to start with the manufactures part number to know which type your dealing with and then pick one base on how good it looks and feels in the hand. Iv had hundreds of w.rose trowels through my hands and all of them have been standard shank trowels based on the m.p.n. . Iv never come across a low lift one by m.p.n .
Hi there nice little video there. Have you ever thought about developing and manufacturing a range of trowels? I think a good made in Britain trowel would fly off the shelfs. (If they are well made, durable and comfortable)
Blimey, no mate to much involved I would imagine though it would like to, not cost effective most steel tools are farmed out to the far East nowadays, I worked in a foundry for a while when I was 17 awful environment 👍
Sharon Hill, Pennsylvania is 10 minutes from me. They used to take any broken Rose trowel and give you a new one. They make great striking irons, slickers, and sled runners too.
W. Rose started out making swords back in the day. Thanks for making this video.
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I think kraft tool brought them out
They did 👍
I only buy Rose trowels now
Fuck me, thanks for this. I’ve bought two W rose trowels and thought there was a difference in the angle
Andrew . I think all the w.rose trowels you have shown in the video are standard shank trowels not specific low lift trowels .I think most of the rose trowels on sale in the uk are standard shank trowels .What you are seeing I believe is the wide variation of the handle angle of what’s known as the w.rose standard shank trowel . The tang angle and the tang height as well as the handle angle varies an unbelievable amount in the w.rose standard shank trowel. I’ll change my profile picture and put up a picture of 2 w.rose standard shank trowels and you’ll see exactly what I mean . I had a w.rose so called standard shank trowel and the handle was parallel with the blade of the trowel.
Changed from marshalltown to wrsoe low lift shank and elbow and wrist fatique stopped almost instantly, would never go back to a marshalltown now
Low lift is better because your head joints become more full
It takes more skill to use a lower lift properly
Your head joints become more full? Each to their own but you shouldn't be smoking that stuff on the scaffold.
Heat up the handle near the base and bend it,simple
Does this work
My whs snapped under a year. Definitely different steel these days my first whs is still going. I fancy a rose
Me and my brother snapped a w. Rose each in under a year. Ours we're both 12s, so quite long. The marshaltowns seem so much stronger. I've got a smaller rose now but the blade thickness and strength is second to marshaltowns. Maybe they mass produce now, I don't know. But I was surprised at how flimsy there are, after hearing all the great stories
Mix it up every couple of months. Gotta do something to spice it up laying bricks day in day out 🤷♂️
Got 1 from speedcrete to try out plastic trowel but not keen on it prefer the proform handle. But the plastic handle did have W Rose written on it. Speedcrete deals direct with Kraft in America a got a proform wide heel from Kraft with proform handle. There digital catalog only had it in other handles but they sent 1 via speedcrete did have to weight about 2 months good for the block on flat.
Switched from a Marshalltown to a rose 12 months ago and it’s helped my wrists beyond belief. Carpal tunnel rarely comes and goes now compared to using the Marshalltown. Only downside is. 12 months in and the handle snapped so had to reorder a new handle. Great trowel in my opinion. Good video pal
Thanks 👍
marshsll town is good toll
Just bought a w rose,narrow london 9 and half inch, plastic handle,lovely feel and balance, highly reccomend
@@hotpoker4212 Nice aren't they 👍
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What’s the height difference between the two handles? Like from the table to the bottom of the handle
@@LM-gu7rj Couldn't tell you now, i actually dont own a low lift anymore.
Don't let er indoors catch you with trowels on the dinning table or you'll be sleeping with your trowels in the shed
I ripped tendons from my elbow backfilling trenches after a while marshalltown absolutely killed my elbow another bricklayer told me to purchase a wrose low lift the difference was unbelievable never use anything else now !!!
I got as a gift Rose trowel and look like I have that low lift handle. Can’t work. Got used to Marshaltown, non of them failed over the years. I don’t know how to bend up handle. Probably will trash it
Iron makes them magnetic
Hello been using marshaltown since 95!! Wrist and arm are gone!! Was looking at rose, is there blades than marshaltown? Like the old estwing trowels?
@@neilly333 in-between I would say
Cheers bud looking at getting one over the weekend, just got to order them online so you can't get a feel of how flexible they are! I like a flexible trowel, but over the passed 10 years marshaltown has been slowly getting stiffer and stiffer, now I'd be better using a ♠️
@@neilly333 you need a Limber blade,they are more flexible
Rose is far superior to Marshall the handle is much in better ,the soft Marshall handle is rubbish you need something solid if you need wack something
As I was taught - it's not the trowel it's the bloke that's using it.
I bought the 9" london and that was low lift . Must admit I didn't give it a chance really gave to my mate he loves it.
Like the low lift much more speedcreate pretty good as they will look for a certain lift if you ring them up ( I don’t work for them ) Marshalltown seem to have got worse and worse in my opinion
We all have our favourite, prefer high myself 👍
@John Bowkett Speedcrete is a company that sells Rose trowels in the UK
@John Bowkett no probs mate 👍
According to speedcretes pdf catalog they only sell standard shank trowels . Unless they ordered a lowlift one from the states especially for you what you probably have is a standard shank one that looks like a low lift one.
How many trowels you own Andy ?
30 plus mate but most are Vintage Collectables.
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 can we have a look at them? I mean it’s a bit sad looking at trowels but there’s worse things to do 😂
@@liamwalters5029 Ile put it on my list lol👍
Very informative Thanku 👍 I use 19 /11 Philadelphia and been looking at W rose .
Always check great advice 🙂
Does it have standard lift degree, or every trowel have it's own?
They are all only slightly different.
The old one is 304 stainless steel.
Hi. I'm finding the low lift w rose trowel very hard to find. Need to change elbow is killing me.
Normally the easiest to find but may not be labeled so, have a look at Bricbybrick comments below 👍
Are they narrows or wide wroses mate?
Wide
Good vid Andy, just ordered my self a rose trowel finally 👍🏻
Nice one,they are a decent trowel 👍
Just purchased my first Rose, always used marshalltown myself, but a colleague of mine purchased a new marshalltown last year and within a couple of months the tip has bent, just ain't the same quality anymore.
Yes MT seem pretty poor theses days, probably Chinese steel.
Can’t use low lift
What I really like about Marshalltown is the high lift. Every trowel has the same, unlike rose.
Hey up mate do you find the plastic handles have a higher lift?
No, I have a low lift and a high lift in plastic, 👍
@Bricklayers World With Andy wanting to order a high lift rose what's your advice mate?
@@JackGashRawandUncut I honestly can't advise mate as I've found them extremely difficult to find, try commenting on the comment below by Bric by Bric as he is more knowledgeable than me on the subject 👍
What size trowel you use?
10 inch
Picked a 9 1/2 wide London brand new and says Sharon hill , some sort of limited edition
Where did you buy it ?
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 SB tools
Alright Andy hope your well like you i chop and change i have a rose trowel but i havent used much can you alter the lift or should i say have you mate
I havent but Al the Trowel as i think he took it to a blacksmith.
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 thanks mate have a good one
What's the difference between low and regulars lifts
The angle of the handle.
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 but does it help or makes it better
@@afrokidd214 The low lift takes a bit of getting used to if you are used to a high lift but most people who have changed has said it cure there tennis elbow.
Is it Shawnee ks or shawneeks . Ks is the abbreviation for Kansas . Shawnee kansas is the headquarters of kraft tools who own w.rose . That’s interesting because I recently came across a real estate ad that had the w.rose factory unit listed for sale in sharon hill . So who knows if w.rose has been moved to Kansas and they are selling the factory or maybe w.rose never owned the sharon hill factory and third party owners are putting it up for sale with w.rose as sitting tenants .
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Shawnee KS
Low lift is better for blocks, high lift is better for bricks
Why is that?
Laying blocks is much different steel , starters in your way ,if you want to parge clean inside blocks low lift is better ,high lift is better for bricks better bed and hand control
@@deanskillings7156 👍
Rose trowels are hard to get in Australia other than online but I like to see what I'm buying so I'm stuck with Marshall, so sad
@@deanskillings7156 Not a lot of stock in the UK
There you go Andrew . Both of those w.rose trowels in my profile picture are w.rose standard shank trowels ( high lift ) ro 116 10 is the manufactures part number on the handles which marks them down as standard shank trowels. But they have totally different handle angles . I’ve been saying this for ages the w.rose standard shank trowels are anything but standard . They come with a wide variation in handle angle .
Interesting that, I did buy a job lot of six new Rose trowels recently and they were all exactly the same bar one which was higher..
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 the only way you’ll know for certain you have or are getting a low lift trowel w.rose is through the mpn which are different from the standard shank mpn and even then , taking into account the wide variation of the standard shank w.rose trowels you couldn’t be sure if you order a low lift shank trowel you ll receive one you’ll get on with . I’ve seen a decent number of these rose trowels for sale on eBay uk from guys who have them a short time and most of then Who give a reason for selling say they bought it but couldn’t get on with them and if you private msg them they’ll Tell you the handle angle is the problem either way to high or way to low. You should always if you can buy your trowel in person but of all the trowel brands your trusting to luck if you buy a rose on line . Other trowel brands like Marshalltown will vary slightly in the handle angle but not as much as the rose . Iv never picked up a m.t trowel that I couldn’t get on with apart from one wooden handle one that I took the handle of and made adjustments to . But iv picked up plenty of roses that I couldn’t use.
@@brickbybric Yes I would never buy a Rose online, the ones I've sold I always include a pic with a ruler showing the height of the lift.
@@bricklayersworldwithandy6277 that’s always a good idea , when a private seller is selling a specific trowel. But if your buying from a tool supplier you have no way of knowing what you’ll get sent regarding w.rose . As for asking any of the tool suppliers about anything we have discussed you’d be wasting your time they wouldn’t have a clue, one m.t or w.rose would be the same as the next with them apart from knowing the difference between a wide London narrow London Philadelphia . The most uniform of all the trowel brands iv come across is the Whs / tyzack, Handle angle on them is excellent. Certainly proclaiming a w.rose to be a standard shank or low lift shank trowel based on visual appearance is bring yourself down the wrong road . If buying a new rose it’s best to start with the manufactures part number to know which type your dealing with and then pick one base on how good it looks and feels in the hand. Iv had hundreds of w.rose trowels through my hands and all of them have been standard shank trowels based on the m.p.n. . Iv never come across a low lift one by m.p.n .
@@brickbybric I've asked Companies who advertise on our FB group and sell Rose trowels to clarify the lifts and they ignore the question 😀
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What's better. W Rose or Marshalltown?
Rose for me, new MTs don't seem very good these days
Hi there nice little video there. Have you ever thought about developing and manufacturing a range of trowels? I think a good made in Britain trowel would fly off the shelfs. (If they are well made, durable and comfortable)
Blimey, no mate to much involved I would imagine though it would like to, not cost effective most steel tools are farmed out to the far East nowadays, I worked in a foundry for a while when I was 17 awful environment 👍
WHS are British made. And for what u pay for, they're good.
Ragni Crown,10 inch low lift,great trowel for brickwork, and won't give you tennis elbow