Making a Huge Upgrade || Small Shop Dust Extraction
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Love the What about Bob reference!!
I appreciated the part about the Harvey dust collector. A while back I considered getting one. I sent an e-mail to Harvey asking for some specific info. After a week, I tried again. After another week, I bought the same size Oneida that you got. It has been great. When I was unboxing the Oneida parts, I discovered the gasket tape had been pinched in the lid of its box and was torn and badly kinked in several spots. I called Oneida. They sent a replacement next-day air and they included a free Oneida hat. I assembled my Oneida on its side then tipped the whole thing up onto its feet (with help). I'm still waiting for Harvey to call. Haha. Thx.
When they charge what they do for Harvey’s they don’t need to answer their peasant customers.
weird that all the influencers that just so happened to get that dumb harvey two years ago are now getting other things. weird.
I just can't get enough of these videos. If anyone ever asked me if I would ever consider spending a half hour watching someone put together a vacuum, I probably would have laughed, and had them checked by medical staff. BUT, as it turns out, not only will I, I did and was disappointed when it was over. Thanks for the amazing distractions from life. GREAT stuff.
The “witch’s hat” is part of the cyclonic separator?
It’s a literal Sorting Hat! 😂
Haha!
So it's Sort Of A Hat?
I love your content, but the premise of this video (especially given how you described it in last week’s video) seems off the mark to me. Most people working in small garage shops A) don’t have probably $5k to spend on a big collector plus aluminum ducting and B) don’t have 220v readily available in their garage.
It seems every video on UA-cam about “small shop dust collection” is really just “large shop dust collection” but with less ducting. I’m still yet to find a video that compares things like smaller 1-2hp collectors that run on 120v, or whether you’re better off running a single small collector vs a shop vac. It seems once UA-cam woodworkers start getting thrown free product, they lose touch with what small hobbyist shops are actually like and the limitations some folks have. I work in one bay of my 2-car garage in a space that’s about 8’ x 13’ - that Oneida unit would take up about 1/5 of my total floor space.
This isn’t a woe is me tale, more an ask that if you’re going to tailor a video to home woodworkers working in small shops, make it actually relevant and applicable to people in those situations.
Basically describing every UA-cam video ever. I completely agree though.
I I’m a retired dust extraction engineer that worked for Nordfab in the UK, the “QF ductwork” is a fantastic product but it was mainly sold to industry we did not have many DIYer customers if any. For a small garage or a DIY shop you can make do with a single bag unit extraction which can be wheeled around the shop to serve the machine you are working on. In fact with many
small businesses that’s all they had. Some went for the static multi bag units because depending on the extraction volume “enclosed units “ have to be situated outside and be fitted with burst panels.
My shop is in a single car garage (9'X17'). I wall mounted a Wen 120V dust collector (less than $250 Cdn on Amazon) and ran 4" PVC pipe around the perimeter of my shop. I installed plastic blast gates where needed and connected the PVC to my tools using short lengths of 2" flex hose and reducers (the only tool I have that uses a 4" connection is my band saw). I'm amazed at how well that little unit works.
A high suction shop vac (I like the craftsman with the detachable blower) and bucket dust separator works best for the miter saw. Then look up the harbor freight dust collector mods with a thein separator and a wynn filter. I built mine with a Rikon (larger) impeller. It's every bit as powerful as the oneida in this vid. As for plumbing, I use Rockler stretch 4" hose and their attachment system. I built the whole thing onto the rolling base that comes with the HF dust collector, so it's mobile.
I want for nothing and I CAN afford the Oneida, but tinkering is half the hobby!
Hope that helps.
How many woodworkers out there find it hilarious that he calls this a "small" shop?
About the same size as mine. When the cars are pulled onto the driveway 😂
Lol
Could fit most of my house into that 'small' shop!
@@scottthorneycroft5468 I understand. The shop I have right now is 12' x 12'. These guys on the Tubes of You have no idea what a small shop is.
A thousand likes for Jason’s humor and woodworking skills
And here I am excited for my harbor freight branded cyclone bucket system :P
I'm excited to watch this garage series! I only have a single car bay for my tools and stuff, so everything is on wheels. I'm looking forward to seeing how Jason sets up his garage to get some ideas for mine.
Love me some "What About Bob?" references. Baby steps to set up the dust extraction
Enjoying watching you build your new shop one "baby step" at a time😅 Thanks for sharing!
Saturday morning Cereal and Bourbon Moth!! woohoo
Whoa, I just woke up and I read that wrong the first time. Cereal and bourbon would be an interesting start to the day.
was gonna say Saturday Morning Bourbon and Cereal Moth!!!!! Yeah!!!!!
Was very excited to hear you would be doing a "small shop dust collection" video, but i'll admit, it's quite disappointing that this just a $5k professional system with less tubing.
I'm impressed you actually read the instructions for once lol
Greetings from Alabama, former PNW resident. Way to go, getting inspired by all the work you do!
Just priced the Oneida V system at $3,700 before shipping and taxes. New subscriber and love your videos. Learning lots but I’m new to this and that’s just overkill.
Also without ducting ... guessing around 6-$800.00 for a smallish shop. That sweep alone is over $300.
Hey Jason, just a tip for future gasket installation, cut the ends at a 45deg angle. This way it forms a better seal. Cutting at a 90 leaves a small gap where the seams match up at the ends. Overall, great video!
I am in awe of your ability to sit cross legged on the floor!! Also, YOU READ THE INSTRUCTIONS!! Amazing!!!!You are the MAN!!
That thing is huge!
“Bob, the bags I put around your neck, where are they?”
I have this same dust collector, it is about a year old, I have been very happy with it, good choice.
i understand that you asked them (they didn't come to you), but that doesn't mean it's not sponsored. a better gauge is, did _you_ pay for it? did you pay retail price for everything you got? did you have a normal customer experience with them?
The incredible Mr Limpet
I knew it!! I love that movie.
Andy Rawls over here making Cannons and ol' Bourbon Moth is making jokes about Bazookas. Let's see that Bazooka, man!
Looks so good and looks like you in a dance move.
Great video, and I do admire the Oneida system and associated ductwork. Very pretty. That said, here are a few things I do have to say. The Oneida system takes the airborne dust down to "less that 1 micron". That's not enough filtration to make your shop really safe. You want to get down to 0.3 micron of the stuff that floats for hours. Now, I can easily do that with a face mask, but I hate wearing the damn thing for hours on end. The Oneida system costs $2,500 to $5,000 for a small shop, depending on ductwork. That's a VERY long way from my budget. My dust collection system in my shop is designed to do one thing only. That one thing is to convey the smaller, dangerous particles to a filter that removes them. It takes me all of 10 minutes to sweep the floor of the large stuff that my tools discharge, so I don't care about the big stuff. So, how do I get this done? I have a 1-hp used Grizzly dust collector that I bought for $125 from a non-profit, a 12' long, 2.5-inch $40 hose from Amazon, and a bunch of PVC adapters, largely from the Habitat store, that I plug the hose into at each of my tools. I built hoods for my lathe and my chop saw. This gets the fine dust from every tool station to the Grizzly, which discharges out of the top bag particles down to 3 microns. Right above the bag I have a wall-mounted, DIY 20" by 20" filter box that takes that discharge down to 0.3 microns. There are bunch of You Tube plans for these. I also made a 2nd one to station above my disc sander. Total cost came to about $300, since all of the filter box materials and filters came from Habitat. The box fans came from Target. Yes, you do get to lug the hose from tool to tool, and you do have to sweep the floor, but the shop is safe, and I get to spend the money I saved on more tools.
Holy moly man, just live in a hyperbaric bubble would you?
@@beerdedwanderer A hyperbaric bubble is a concept that typically refers to bubbles formed in conditions of high pressure, such as those found in hyperbaric environments. These bubbles can occur in various contexts, including underwater diving, medical treatments involving hyperbaric oxygen therapy, and certain industrial processes.
The truth is, I spent 7 years in the U.S. Submarine Service (1962-69), and did sort of live in a hyperbaric bubble. In fact, we were called "bubble heads" by the unwashed surface skimmers we hunted. Now I'm not entirely sure how that relates to my comment about the Oneida system video...but I meant no harm...just suggesting a cheaper way to get to a safe shop.
The Oneida v-system filter is rated at 99.97% of material up to 0.3 microns, which is top of the line for wood dust
When you're getting 5000 dollars worth of equipment for free from a company then it's sponsored bro stop playin your audience for fools
Might not have been free, just reduced.
The amount of views he gets 100% free or even paid for on top of the free shit.
How many checks have you cut to watch this?
For everybody else, I used 4" PVC DWV 10' sections ($25 ea), and associated fittings. Then I got two 1hp blowers from Harbor Freight ($100 ea). I made a vortex extractor with a metal garbage can ($30) & a half sheet of MDF. Then I blow the exhaust outside so I don't need expensive filters.
I just use a broom and dust pan, but I'm anything but a professional.
@@beerdedwanderer - I’m not a professional either, but we can all hope. There’s no way I could clean up after my jointer/planer with a broom. I used to just move my contractor saw outside, but as I got better tools, I had to move inside, and had to clean up the dust better, but I want to spend my money on tools and wood, not dust collection. 😊
I've got the stepped up system ... Harbor Freight 2 HP dust collector ($130 several years ago), Donaldson pleated truck filter from Amazon ($145), Oneida Super Dust Deputy ($170), 32 gal metal trash can ($30), couple lengths of 10 ft PVC sewer piping ($10 ea at the time) with various elbows (total about $50), and a Rockler expanding hose system with connections (about $150). Total for everything around $675 and works good enough for my needs. Ducting really only goes to the 8 in jointer .... everything else is connected via the expanding hose system one at a time. No blast gates. Moving the hose around isn't ideal but everything is centralized so really not a big deal. The Donaldson filter and Super Dust Deputy are game changers for the Harbor Freight collector.
Gotta love UA-cam woodworkers: "I needed a dust collection system for my small garage so I reached out to a high end vendor and got them to give me their 5k system for free. You should get it too!".
That's a real cadillac system! Having fitted a lot of duct "the old way", I admire the clamp method. Suggestion: use some of that plumbers strap to secure the top of the support frame to the two walls. As you noted, it has a small base, and over time there is opportunity to shove something into the base and tip the whole thing over. And/or that heretofore unknown seismic fault under your building shifts and you get a lot more than dust all over the floor. In many places, this is a Code requirement, but in every place it's a good idea. Think of the tall furniture you've anchored to a wall to prevent overturn. Think "kid safe". YOU're the kid!!
Man, I wish I could afford this! I love the metal piping, but had to settle for typical PVC drain pipe. I did add an Oneida Super Dust Deputy XL with a 20 gal. drum below it to my Grizzly 1250 and could not be happier... it grabs 99.9% before it makes it to the collector. A dust sweep is the sweetest add-on I did!
I have the V3000 oneida and I have to say this system is very good. Norfab thing is really nice, but was too expensive for me. I went all 6" pvc main ducting to 4-2" drops where needed. Very cheap and not a single issue in 4 years. I had to dismantle some parts for modifications and everything was clean inside, no caking at all.
Here’s me with my vacuum and plastic barrel from Amazon 😂
I made my dust collector out of an old bounce house blower, some MDF and a 30 gal drum
What About Bob? is one of my favorite movies!
It is so choice. If you have the means, I highly recommend you pick one up
I've never used foil tape in such an uncompromised position/location. Looks enjoyable.
floor sweep, I'm sure the supervisior will be making use of that!😉😉😂😂
Awesome reference to What About Bob? Nice work!
Well I never thought I’d make a comment about sponsorship on a video but 2 thumbs up for this one. Not always easy for men to ask for help and seeing a, ahem, tough woodworking guy be willing to endorse something like Betterhelp is pretty awesome. Love the channel. Came for woodworking tips, stayed for the sheer entertainment..
For my 30th birthday I made all (2) of my friends come over to watch what about bob with me on a projector in my living room. “LEEEOO MARVIN’S A GEEEENIUS! YOUR DEATH THERAPY CURED ME.. YOU GEEEENIUS” classic.
All the excitement goes out the window until you find out how much it costs. I’m good with my DIY 55gal drum with cone separator connected to a HF dust collector.
Just fyi, screwing ducts is illegal in most states.😂 we really enjoy your videos 😊God Bless 😊
It looks like a 7 foot robotic housekeeper, standing in the corner, waiting for any sign of dust to be sucked into its belly
It's so nice looking I would struggle with using it knowing it's going to get dirty!
On another note, watching this makes me glad I use a majority of hand tools for my work. ALOT less dust.
Doesn't work with plywood of course. But that's what my shop vac and face mask are for.
If glue isn't a contaminant you need to avoid, you should get a machine to make pellets for a grill/smoker.
Thumbs up here if you want Jason to dye his beard blonde!! 👉🏼👉🏼
Thumbs down until he dumps BH as a sponsor
BH ?
I think you mean bleach his beard.
better help
No don’t be. Dick head
I named our favorite cat "What about Bob" 😂 the vet staff would crack up whenever we brought him in for a check up
As an electrical contractor, I noticed that your outlet covers, flexible conduit, and electrical boxes are not correct. They should be a type that prevents dust from getting into them. If you leave them as they are currently, you can have a fire, or in the worst case, an explosion due to an environment filled with saw dust. A cabinet shop is an area that is considered a Class 3, Division 1 (Combustible Dusts) work environment by the National Electrical Code, aka NEC. Think grain elevator... Most cabinet and home shops miss this if they don't have an electrical inspection. You also should think about having that water heater moved, as it has an open ignition source (flame).
Is there a name for those? I want to look into this more for my space
@@ntindle I believe NEMA 3
Way overblown. This is not an industrial environment and theres no permanent source of combustible dust. Also that's what the expensive dust collector is for.
I remember and episode of The Beverly Hillbillys; Jethro had a diregreedo.... granny smashed it and said "now it's a diregreeDON"T"
I'm jealous. That strapping you were using is called plumbers tape.
I think you will like the Oneida system. I have the "Dust Gorilla" from them for the last 16 years or so. Only problem I have had with it is the remote control on the magnetic starter. It sometimes does not work so well to turn it off. (Turns on OK, but off doesn't always work unless you are right up on it and by that time, you might as well just hit the starter manually since you're standing right there) They have a video of how to extend the antenna on the receiver. Doesn't do much, IMO. Also, the remote has quit working completely twice in those 16 years necessitating a replacement each time. (about $50 a pop) Other than that, love the dust collector. Does a great job. Mine is a traditional dust collector, so does not do much for sanders, etc. You need a high pressure unit for that. I think they call them "supercells" now at Oneida. Given a choice now, I would probably get a supercell since they can apparently handle both high volume AND high pressure. But as I say, no issues with the Dust Gorilla in my experience, it can really move some air and chips.
Keep sailing Bob!😂
Great video. I'm building my own workshop now, after watching your channel as well as some others (Make Something and Start Making are great). It will possibly be the smallest production workshop in the world...... when it's finished!
It would be cool to see a collaboration with Shop Nation
I got a 3 hp Oneida system maybe 25 years ago. Due to height concerns, I couldn't get more than a 35 gallon barrel, but they have changed the design since then, and with the new design, I could work with a 55 gallon system. The old filter would go down to 0.5 microns. The new one, updated maybe a year ago, goes down to 0.05 micron. Back when I got mine, they only had the "Lone Ranger" for remote control, which is still available through Penn St. I have not updated to their newer system. My system easily handled every thing I could throw at it in my old 860 sq. ft. shop. I built a new shop which is about 2500 sq. ft, and put it in the middle of the shop so it will handle my lathe room and my flat work room, no problem. It is nice that they will design your duct system. They have made a number of upgrades that way as well. I have been thinking about some magnetic clip ons for some of the dust ports I use. I do shovel up most of the shavings from my lathe room, and my hand plane shavings. I could top off my 35 gallon barrel in an hour with my bowl turning..... An excellent system. Oh, another thing, ft./minute is one measure. Static pressure is another, and the static pressure is by far the more important. Oneida excels at that!
Not sure, but I think the Harvey system will handle sparks from the grinders that I have. Oneida will not. Need to figure out some sort of filter for that....
Keep sailing Bob. What about Bob hilarious movie.
Baby step to the garage. Baby step to clean the garage. Baby step to install Oneida dust collection system.
I need that badly, as a picture frame maker!
I would love to have one of those. The movie you referred to, was What about Bob.
I believe i mentioned this to you on IG, but I recently upgraded from the G700 to the V=system like you're using for your temporary shop and have been very pleased with the performance. It's my fourth Oneida system since 2000 (and all of the previous are still in use in other folks' shops) Consider getting the drum sleeve which makes using 60 gallon bags easy and emptying it a snap. (and a lot less messy)
That Oneida looks so much better than the Harvey. Make sure it doesn't suck your socks off while you sweep!
We do have speed limits here in Germany, btw. Anyhow, have fun. Looking forward to that video.
Would love to hear your thoughts on your machine. I'm in the middle of buying one, but I can decide between the one you got or 5hp gorilla. I need something that sucks up 90% of the dust instead of 10% of the dust. My shop is 24 x 30 right now, but it's going to change to about 30x40 in the next few months. I have all the big tools. Jointer, planner, drum sander, tablesaw, etc.
Jason, the new shop is coming along real well man! The Oneida dust collector is pretty sweet!
P.S. What About Bob is a masterpiece 👍
When you said "bazooka" I had flashbacks of the wooden tank episode...
This is great, appreciate you sharing smaller shop space management like this. I did want to ask, though: What happens to the dust you remove after the bins are full? You referenced a dust pile, but I wasn't sure how that works. Thank you!
An extra video from bourbon moth this week.. be still my beating heart
That bag in 55 gal drum is gonna be heavy when its full. Those 2 garbage cans are easier to handle. But I definitely get it...if you can afford it
Love your videos, 😅and your character is amazing.
Excited to see what you make from that pallet that came with the kit….
into the firepit they goes xd
Hopefully an epoxy river end table!!
Nice "What About Bob" reference. Lol
NAME THAT MOVIE: What About Bob
Classic
I'm one of your subscribers who always watch your videos and I'm amazed at what you do and it inspires someone like me who also loves DIY, the woodworkers in other countries are different, they spend money on all the tools and working shop, not like here in the Philippines, which you can only find on the side, and there is no proper place that can be called a wood working shop😪 I also dream of having such tools as you use, but there are more things to prioritize instead of buying tools 😞😞 just dreaming
Thanks for the great info.
This system seems huge! Small shop??
Did you consider a Oneida super cell system? That system seems to have a smaller footprint.
Good Day 🌅, nice job, I think reason why there is a plastic liner inside the plastic bag, it’s prevent the sawdust from building up inside the ribs of the oil drum that’s being used as the dust collector, as you would struggle to try and pull the bag out of the container, I am trying to set up my dust collection system in my basement at the moment, my main problem is as my ducting is too big and diameter. It’s 250 mil., Felder , as it was used for my big workshop back in the UK, I have what you could call downsized, look 👀 forward to seeing your next project, from France.
@@Hog-g2z the plastic liner is there to prevent the plastic bag from being sucked up into the cyclone as it is under negative pressure otherwise they would have to fit a balance tube from the oil drum to the outlet side of the fan.
That ducting is INSANELY expensive.
Very nice system, Jason! What would you use on a smaller budget?
When you say Oneida helped you out, what does the mean exactly? Free system? Discount? Should I be a UA-camr?
Yes.
What is your plan for the garage after you have your shop rebuilt?
I’m a sailor, I sail.. Ahoy!
There is a problem when you store adhesive tape on tension ( like it is done for the seals), it will probably get loose after some time. I`m sure thats why it isnt done (besides saving money) before final assambley. They could do it before shipping, I here you say. But they dont know how you storage it, and on what temperature, before putting it together. Let you do it seems to be the most save way to make sure the sals are tight, and fixated between the parts.
What does it mean that they "procured" this system for you? Was it free or did you pay full price? Be honest and don't hide behind big words like "procured."
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Hey goober, that looks like my ladder. I am on my way.
After that intro, better help is needed! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Baby Stepping through this video (that should answer the "what movie" question. I am curious.... you mentioned the bag getting sucked into the machine. Wouldn't that imply that the whole system is running backwards 😉. Kidding aside. Great video. The Oneida looks great. I like how high the intake is. That makes a ton of sense given that most ducting crosses the ceiling. One question... how does it compare to the Harvey in terms of noise?
If it’s Oneida, it’s alll-right-a 🎵
Oneida is something we say in Norway, typical use-case: "Oneida du" - translates to "oh no you don't"
A sound comparison would be cool.
Glad it wasn't just me thinking this is unrealistic for a small shop. $4k for the dust collector, $6k for nordfab ducting, and random 220v circuits in a residential garage.
Ok, so first video which didn't excite/thrill/inspire/etc.. BUT, am sure Oneida folks will appreciate - and Oneida owners or about-to-be-Oneida-Owners will value. New floor, yes? (think so - looks fab!)
They do have speed limits the only road that doesn't have a speed limit is the autobahn
Curious to see what table saw you are replacing the old pair with!
The Devil at 4 O'Clock
I’d have put the light right in the center of the garage ceiling so I’d see it if I was in the middle of a cut
the movie reference, ''what about bob''
"Talk about weird." 😆
I wish you would mention the cost of what you installed so we can get an idea of what it would take to install something similar.
What do you do with all of your dust? Use it as compost, or take it to the curb.
Fisher’sShop has a system from them as well