The beauty lives in me. But the mastering expertise lives in you. Great video, man! Thanks for these--always interesting and informative.
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I loved your comparison of W tape and WO tape. I noticed W tape gave it much more openness and brightness to the vocal and backing vocal especially. That said, it's really up to you which one sounds better. Some would prefer W tape for vocal but I personally preferred WO tape vocal.
some of the sizzeling high frequencies in the vocals were gone after they hit the tape. I would have suggested some saturation on the vocals only otherwise. And maybe some expanding
The whole time I was thinking half of it sounds better through the tape and the other half doesn't ... you eventually said the same conclusion too, and I totally agree putting I think the drums and bass through the tape, and maybe not the vocals and personally not the instruments! As I feel the instruments loose some space with it and the vocals seemed to sit more forward once ran through it, but it really did wonders beefing up the kick and bass but I would ofc have to hear it to know what would actually sound better when put back together afterwards.
You could also put the stems on their own stereo tracks to tape and saturate as required. The drums and bass would definitely benefit from this. You will then get the whole tape feel from the track.
Maybe the tape machine introduced a Fletcher/Munson weighted curve back to mix changing the EQ balance, and yeah the vocals do need de-essing maybe that sibilance is being accentuated it from being from a mp3 source as you said. This was a fun journey to go down.
I love the tape rendition. The difference to the wo tape tracks quite drastic! Also interesting what you said about the wobbling that has to do with the tape being used in the latter part... Amazing job. Love the song a lot actually. Want to get this recording! Beautiful and very informative as usual! THX U
Vocals machine sizzle replaced with “air”and”space” I noticed right away on tape version, a familiar and pleasing retro sound. Also loved the analog EQ strips, my ears relaxed immediately
26:33 It's interesting seeing you use the brickwall eq, it's known to create bad ringing especially in the low-end. Isn't that kind of counterproductive if you wanna cut off low-end?
Nebula N4 saves so much time Just stem mixing with Live Analog Sampled plugins Then run through Analog And Acustica Audio for Final Mastering That’s a much faster workflow to get to the same result
Excellent, learned a lot. Good to see some attention paid to the 'annoyance' parameters early on, if only more producers spent time on those. Good one Wytse
It would help to separate everything a little more. I'm no expert but I've heard it's often best to mix the lower frequency stuff (bass and drums) on lower speed tape, and the rest on higher speed tape, then combine them. I know that's how they did Superunknown album (soundgarden)
The whole song I felt that this beautiful voice is fighting against a very busy instrumental stem. Too much in the lower midrange. So my approach would have been to make space for the vocals in the range 800hz to 1,2khz with some selective side chaining on the inst. stem. Also a vocal volume automation boost by 3,5db in the chorus would make it more emotional. But thats just my idea.
I miss hearing some A-B comparison from original mix to the mastered one ( of course, with adjusted levels) . But it is a great experience to see you working. Thanks
Great video again, Wytse! Beautiful song and beautiful voice. Yeah, the stems were already a bit hot on the level, but you managed to control it nicely. I like the tape version just a slightly more than the 'casual' analog bounce, because it gave the vocal body and warmth, just a tiny but enough to feel it and to sound more natural. I think it suits the lyrics and the singer more. This should be a 'warm track'. :D Also, great work on bringing some sheen to the vocal as well, and the bass to be more audible in the mids. Thanks! :)
What ceiling (output volume) are you using in the brick wall limiter for creating a mp3 and online streaming etc. Is there a dangerous zone where it will go into clipping due to conversion processes happening at the streaming services? What is a a good safety zone across all ways of consumption?
Hi, what was occurring when you were playing with the high end of the vocals @8:10 ish? When you pushed the gain of the high end it sounded like a duplicate of the vox went crazy wide... Cheers.
Little bit of dis, a bit more or less of dat, some coffee .... listen again tomorrow, start over from scratch, massage, rinse ,wash , repeat, if it's a good song your not sick of it yet !
That tape really blurs the low mids in a nice way definitely gives it a vibe that suits the song kind of late 80s early 90s big production movie ballad. When you compared, parts of the original I like better until you changed that low end and it brought back that life plus included the energy and interest your master had. I liked the Tape on the vocals but the effect was a bit too much, I think the overall mix could sound a bit deeper and wider by only having some elements through the tape to give different vibe between them (less glue in a good way).
Maybe I am a bit of a weird person but I really wished that style of fader would make a comeback. Especially with (live) broadcasting I prefer that style so much more.
I agree with the vocals and instruments bypassing tape. Do you normally get multiple stems? And when you do when does remixing end and mastering begin? Thx for the video.
There's a thing called "stem mastering" which is when you receive the group bus tracks, rather than the 2 bus fully mixed track or the individual instrument tracks. You are essentially picking the song up from the mixing engineer's already mixed group track faders and on wards, and are applying group comp/eq etc. if needed (over their already applied group fx/comp/eq etc.) and master fader effects like 2 bus glue compression etc. as well as slightly re-balancing the groups if needed, as well as actual mastering. All automation is usually expected to already be done. It should ideally sound exactly like the finished mix when played back together at unity, minus anything on the master bus, when the mastering engineer receives stems to master. It just gives the mastering engineer that little bit more control over getting the best result. It ofc takes a bit more time though, so will usually be a bit more expensive of a process.
Awesome video! I really loved seeing your thought process! Would it be possible to get little clips of the song with mix, master, with tape and with out tape to get a better listen??
Really good video, def learned some things! One request from me would be if you could make the music vs. your voice levels the same, because I was pushing to volume on my speakers to hear the subtle differences when you mix and your voice would scare me everytime :D
Can we have a video explaining things such as the stepless calibration?? I’ve never worked on a console like this before so I’m not entirely sure what you mean by that
Hey, can you compare it too with Telefunken tape (is it a M21?) ? Recently I had better results on Mixed tracks to Master on my M21 rather than on the Studer A80 I'm using. The Tape Size also influence the resulting sound and tapecompression. I dunno whats your thought about? Wanna try it?
Really wanted to know what do you think about the SSL plugin by Plugin Alliance, I also hate most SSL plugins and think they are bullshit but this one sounds a bit different, even when I push the highs really hard it still doesn't feel harsh
Very interesting video and a beautiful track.. I really like your decisions except for the multiband on the low end - didn't the bass drum lose that lovely low punch?
Cool process and tools. I noticed some sibilant sounds that would've annoyed me but you seem OK with them, (they're hard to manage in the stem I suppose). How do you deal with sibilant and plosive sounds?
Hi, love your work. Just a little funny tidbit, your voice activates I think your console support frame. You probably compress your voice a bit and that resonance steps out! Cheers
A regular problem I have when finishing my tracks: I do electronic music so the kick sidechain pumping effect is crucial on bass, synths and many stems to keep the groove in a nice dancing way. When mastering (or even sometimes in late mixing steps), I put some compressors and ruin the groove very quickly, even when I want to be careful. I only found 2 lousy alternatives so far: 1/ exagerate the sidechain effect early in the process, very hard to predict what it will become and apply the good dose... 2/ re-apply some sidechain later on stems. Almost never the same neither... Any clue what I am missing here? What's your alternative to avoid ruining the dynamics when mastering ? (and still making it loud enough) No compressors?
Try transient shapers to accentuate the attack of the body of things before compression/limiting. This helps to keep the attack of drums etc. when getting squashed later on, you just need to be able to set the attack of what ever compression you use to let a bit of that transient though. Even if it sounds too poppy early on, once limited it'll sit back down, but really stand out still even with some heavy limiting if done right. This way you don't have to kill your bass/synths as much with compression to hear them and can just do the side chaining to taste. ;) It also sounds like you might be trying to compress to much at once too heavily. Just a guess though.
Is the entire audio that we as listeners to your stream come from the camera you’re using? I ask because every time you start speaking the volume goes up.
I love this rendition of Sandstorm by daRude
I really appreciate these extended, full-length mastering videos! I definitely learned a lot thanks
Tape sounds REALLY nice!
Man love the process, i always learn a lot, but please, try to bring songs that dont seem to come straight outta frozen...
lmao
The improvement though..... Variety matters.... Really helpful for people actually learning how to master or work with other people music in general
I love these mastering videos, I could watch them all day
Wow you did a great job bringing out the vibrancy in this song.
The beauty lives in me. But the mastering expertise lives in you. Great video, man! Thanks for these--always interesting and informative.
I loved your comparison of W tape and WO tape. I noticed W tape gave it much more openness and brightness to the vocal and backing vocal especially. That said, it's really up to you which one sounds better. Some would prefer W tape for vocal but I personally preferred WO tape vocal.
Wow....Nice gear. Great ear. Thanks for the video
dude!, you're just living it. so nice, gtx!
some of the sizzeling high frequencies in the vocals were gone after they hit the tape. I would have suggested some saturation on the vocals only otherwise. And maybe some expanding
This was really great. Thanks!
The whole time I was thinking half of it sounds better through the tape and the other half doesn't ... you eventually said the same conclusion too, and I totally agree putting I think the drums and bass through the tape, and maybe not the vocals and personally not the instruments! As I feel the instruments loose some space with it and the vocals seemed to sit more forward once ran through it, but it really did wonders beefing up the kick and bass but I would ofc have to hear it to know what would actually sound better when put back together afterwards.
When can we hear you mix some metal tracks? 🤘😁 and thanks for the heads-up about the PSP infinity plug-in! That one is great.
I second that request!
Thanks for all your kindless info, data, thinking proccesing. Really really interesting your point of view to get into the mastering work.
wow nice..
You could also put the stems on their own stereo tracks to tape and saturate as required. The drums and bass would definitely benefit from this. You will then get the whole tape feel from the track.
Maybe the tape machine introduced a Fletcher/Munson weighted curve back to mix changing the EQ balance, and yeah the vocals do need de-essing maybe that sibilance is being accentuated it from being from a mp3 source as you said. This was a fun journey to go down.
I would love more of these kinds of videos! It's cool watching you work (and I take a little from every one)
Dish givsh no shparkel. I don't know how you have the stamina, patience and fortitude to listen to this mush over and over again.
Always great to watch you work ....just superb !
thanks, great vid. the main thing I learned is there's no substitute for expertise and talent.. I don't have the ears for this! You certainly do
I really enjoyed this video. Thanks for putting this together. I would love to see more "mastering process" videos.
I'm happy I've ordered new headphones, I couldn't tell the difference on my existing set. Might as well be 70s Radio Shack.
Yes!!!! Nice, love that tape and that Neuman console sound, good job WSS, thank you for sharing 😊
Jennifer Holm is the artist. Nashville singer... But I think she can be known everywhere after listening to this.
Bravo!
So cool to hear the changes and see how u did it. NICE video man!
I love the tape rendition. The difference to the wo tape tracks quite drastic! Also interesting what you said about the wobbling that has to do with the tape being used in the latter part... Amazing job. Love the song a lot actually. Want to get this recording! Beautiful and very informative as usual! THX U
Really love how the tape polishes the vocals!
Luv the Mastering Videos and would also like to see a Mixing Video to see how you get your EQs dialed in and your separation. Thanks Wytse
Thanks,thanks,thanks,thanks again! This is so helpful . Blessing to you
Stopped by for a break from a mix, and glad I did, just the hint I needed. Sod the settings, just need to hear the steps :-)
Vocals machine sizzle replaced with “air”and”space” I noticed right away on tape version, a familiar and pleasing retro sound. Also loved the analog EQ strips, my ears relaxed immediately
I can really see myself using one of these consoles. It's a bit like a spaceship. Thank you for sharing this immsersive experience. Also nice song.
Love your passion. Sounds great through the tape.
Loved the vid Wytse, you really are my favorite audio UA-camr!
Love watching this process. And yeah... tape... holy shit.
MORE !!!
thanks alot sir
Very informative! Thank you.
Watching your channel makes me wanna do music again. Use to DJ in the 90s. you got thumbs up and a new subscriber 👍😉.
26:33
It's interesting seeing you use the brickwall eq, it's known to create bad ringing especially in the low-end. Isn't that kind of counterproductive if you wanna cut off low-end?
Nebula N4 saves so much time
Just stem mixing with Live Analog Sampled plugins
Then run through Analog
And Acustica Audio for Final Mastering
That’s a much faster workflow to get to the same result
Excellent, learned a lot. Good to see some attention paid to the 'annoyance' parameters early on, if only more producers spent time on those. Good one Wytse
I enjoyed every moment of it. Thank you!
It would help to separate everything a little more. I'm no expert but I've heard it's often best to mix the lower frequency stuff (bass and drums) on lower speed tape, and the rest on higher speed tape, then combine them. I know that's how they did Superunknown album (soundgarden)
*I love your videos *****
Love this track!
@white sea studio. Id honestly watch an hour long video of you mastering a track.
The whole song I felt that this beautiful voice is fighting against a very busy instrumental stem. Too much in the lower midrange. So my approach would have been to make space for the vocals in the range 800hz to 1,2khz with some selective side chaining on the inst. stem. Also a vocal volume automation boost by 3,5db in the chorus would make it more emotional. But thats just my idea.
Different ears, different flavors.
The tape machine adds the magic that was missing. Now you can't do without it anymore.
Danke!
Great video! thanx!
This ended up sounding GREAT.
awesome. very interesting. also great version of Sandstorm by daRude. very rare find. ^^
I miss hearing some A-B comparison from original mix to the mastered one ( of course, with adjusted levels) . But it is a great experience to see you working. Thanks
Beautiful singer - reminds me of Shawn Colvin. Are you allowed to share who it is?
Schitterende Demo/tutorial Wytse. Ik hoop ooit ook nog eens een dijk van een sound te kunnen maken.👍😎👊
Great video again, Wytse!
Beautiful song and beautiful voice. Yeah, the stems were already a bit hot on the level, but you managed to control it nicely.
I like the tape version just a slightly more than the 'casual' analog bounce, because it gave the vocal body and warmth, just a tiny but enough to feel it and to sound more natural. I think it suits the lyrics and the singer more. This should be a 'warm track'. :D
Also, great work on bringing some sheen to the vocal as well, and the bass to be more audible in the mids.
Thanks! :)
That was really good. Nice master!
The magic of Tape!
DSEQ vs. Soothe2 .. do it Wytse, you're the man for it.
Well I think I want tape machine, ah dear
beauty track !
Thank you for video! Very informative, but you really need somthing like gopro for that POV actions. with good stabilization and angle of view.
What ceiling (output volume) are you using in the brick wall limiter for creating a mp3 and online streaming etc. Is there a dangerous zone where it will go into clipping due to conversion processes happening at the streaming services? What is a a good safety zone across all ways of consumption?
nice!!!
PLEASE Do more Videos like thiiiiiis
Hi, what was occurring when you were playing with the high end of the vocals @8:10 ish? When you pushed the gain of the high end it sounded like a duplicate of the vox went crazy wide... Cheers.
This was a dope post again, bless.
Where can I get this track it's beautifully sonic and emotional ! Well done you're extremely knowledgeable on musical sounds 🙌🏻🔥🔥🔥🔥
tape all day. the distortion brings up alot more details while also taming the highs. digital sounded deeper thou
Fire, fire, fire!
30+ min video of Wytse doing his thing, oh yes.
Little bit of dis, a bit more or less of dat, some coffee .... listen again tomorrow, start over from scratch, massage, rinse ,wash , repeat, if it's a good song your not sick of it yet !
Is it possible for you to master this song one more time but completely in the box? I think it would be interesting to hear differences :)
That tape really blurs the low mids in a nice way definitely gives it a vibe that suits the song kind of late 80s early 90s big production movie ballad. When you compared, parts of the original I like better until you changed that low end and it brought back that life plus included the energy and interest your master had. I liked the Tape on the vocals but the effect was a bit too much, I think the overall mix could sound a bit deeper and wider by only having some elements through the tape to give different vibe between them (less glue in a good way).
Maybe I am a bit of a weird person but I really wished that style of fader would make a comeback.
Especially with (live) broadcasting I prefer that style so much more.
I think the sibilance of the vocals is caused by the tuning that is on the vocals.
Echt goede videos!
I agree with the vocals and instruments bypassing tape. Do you normally get multiple stems? And when you do when does remixing end and mastering begin? Thx for the video.
There's a thing called "stem mastering" which is when you receive the group bus tracks, rather than the 2 bus fully mixed track or the individual instrument tracks. You are essentially picking the song up from the mixing engineer's already mixed group track faders and on wards, and are applying group comp/eq etc. if needed (over their already applied group fx/comp/eq etc.) and master fader effects like 2 bus glue compression etc. as well as slightly re-balancing the groups if needed, as well as actual mastering.
All automation is usually expected to already be done. It should ideally sound exactly like the finished mix when played back together at unity, minus anything on the master bus, when the mastering engineer receives stems to master. It just gives the mastering engineer that little bit more control over getting the best result. It ofc takes a bit more time though, so will usually be a bit more expensive of a process.
Awesome video! I really loved seeing your thought process! Would it be possible to get little clips of the song with mix, master, with tape and with out tape to get a better listen??
I would use the word dull to describe what u were talking about. Flat often refers to sharp or flat vocals
Or slightly off tune is what i mean. Great video showing us your thought process thank you!
Great song, reminds me of Tina Dico.
Really good video, def learned some things! One request from me would be if you could make the music vs. your voice levels the same, because I was pushing to volume on my speakers to hear the subtle differences when you mix and your voice would scare me everytime :D
Can we have a video explaining things such as the stepless calibration?? I’ve never worked on a console like this before so I’m not entirely sure what you mean by that
Hey, can you compare it too with Telefunken tape (is it a M21?) ? Recently I had better results on Mixed tracks to Master on my M21 rather than on the Studer A80 I'm using. The Tape Size also influence the resulting sound and tapecompression. I dunno whats your thought about? Wanna try it?
side chain vocal and violin no?
Really wanted to know what do you think about the SSL plugin by Plugin Alliance, I also hate most SSL plugins and think they are bullshit but this one sounds a bit different, even when I push the highs really hard it still doesn't feel harsh
very interesting... i think tape smooths the vocals but music more clear without....
Very interesting video and a beautiful track.. I really like your decisions except for the multiband on the low end - didn't the bass drum lose that lovely low punch?
Daroude's Sandstorm unplugged.
Cool process and tools. I noticed some sibilant sounds that would've annoyed me but you seem OK with them, (they're hard to manage in the stem I suppose). How do you deal with sibilant and plosive sounds?
From a little dull to master!
Is it still acoustic if the bass is a synth?
Great stuff my man :-)
Gorgeous song, who is the artist?
Hi, love your work.
Just a little funny tidbit,
your voice activates I think your console support frame.
You probably compress your voice a bit and that resonance steps out!
Cheers
I don't think its the frame of the console, but I'm not sure what it is...
A regular problem I have when finishing my tracks: I do electronic music so the kick sidechain pumping effect is crucial on bass, synths and many stems to keep the groove in a nice dancing way. When mastering (or even sometimes in late mixing steps), I put some compressors and ruin the groove very quickly, even when I want to be careful. I only found 2 lousy alternatives so far: 1/ exagerate the sidechain effect early in the process, very hard to predict what it will become and apply the good dose... 2/ re-apply some sidechain later on stems. Almost never the same neither...
Any clue what I am missing here? What's your alternative to avoid ruining the dynamics when mastering ? (and still making it loud enough) No compressors?
Seems to me you need better monitoring, And also you may be ear fatigued. Bass frequencies do that, try resting your ears before making those choices.
Try transient shapers to accentuate the attack of the body of things before compression/limiting. This helps to keep the attack of drums etc. when getting squashed later on, you just need to be able to set the attack of what ever compression you use to let a bit of that transient though. Even if it sounds too poppy early on, once limited it'll sit back down, but really stand out still even with some heavy limiting if done right. This way you don't have to kill your bass/synths as much with compression to hear them and can just do the side chaining to taste. ;)
It also sounds like you might be trying to compress to much at once too heavily. Just a guess though.
Is the entire audio that we as listeners to your stream come from the camera you’re using? I ask because every time you start speaking the volume goes up.