Debating White Supremacy w/ Count Dankula
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
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Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they're in good company.
Usually it's intentional. Idiots are easy to manipulate, and add tangible power to your political faction.
They'll then redefine what that "good" company is and suddenly have a tribe. That's where pretend isn't so valid.
Did he say anything about people not pretending to be idiots, just being ones naturally, and them attracting even more idiots to follow them?
That's Vaush and his fans.
@@comradekenobi8146 Not to mention they will more easily part with their money.
@@melmelhodgepodge3800 True. Though the left could learn a thing or two from this. We need more manipulative but good-intentioned people if we want to sway the masses to our side.
Vaush: Is it conceivable that someone might lie about their beliefs?
Dankula: Yes
Vaush: Then a useful way to find out if someone is lying would be to use inductive reasoning.
Dankula: Or you could just ask me.
*Guys look its a Patricks wallet meme!*
PERFECT!
@@richardfilanderer Would you like to share how you arrived at your conclusion?
I have checks with little poodles on them!
@@richardfilanderer in ezras head its
Ezra: ggez u lose
The rest of us snowflakes: REEEEEEEE
In reality:
Ezra: no he didnt lose because your mom
@Good Morning Toast lmao ok 😏
I'm glad Vaush decided to wear a snapback to this debate, otherwise I wouldn't be able to tell which one was which
LOL
That was kinda clever.
Lmfaoo
Love the green shirt
Hahahaha
You can’t tell me Dankula wasn’t subtly flirting with Vaush throughout this debate.
two bearded dudes having a good time
You could cut the sexual tension with a knife.
Two dudes sitting in a hot tub, 6 feet away from one another. Not gay
*GASPS* DEGENERACY!!
"Flirting with communist ideology" now has a new meaning.
Dankula: I'm a comedian m8
Vaush : yes but it seems as though your fanbase loves to use your jokes as a platform to promote racist ideas, don't you think that this is something you should at least look into?
Dankula: ...I'm a comedian m8
And that's half of the debate for ya
Yeah, that's sort of the impression I was getting.
At least I've got 2 extra hours to do more productive shit now.
Also you'll notice Vaush the person who doesn't hide behind comedy, actually made more jokes than Dankula which is quite embarrassing for Dankula.
How is that his fault?
Dankula : Ask me X mate?
Vaush: I don't care what you think about X
Dankula: Mate Mate ask me about X?
Vaush: Sigh
Theres the other half
Making lazy-ass edgelord "punching down" jokes that can easily be seen as dogwhistling, then going "IT'S JUST A JOKE BRO" when the rhetoric attracts nazis is getting really fucking old.
I used to make edgy jokes and comments with friends. Where the goal was to say things deadpan and laugh at how much you had to be a horrible person to believe this. Found some people online that i thought had the same humour till I realised they weren't joking and noped out of those communities
cannedsnow at least you have a brain and realize how shitty of a person you’d have to be to actually say those things. thank god for that.
This comment is literally the meme: "wait you guys are actually white supremacists? i thought it was a joke."
This is such a strange argument that I keep seeing now. The idea that being around people making edgy jokes is some sort of gateway drug into white nationalism holds no real weight. Using this same logic You could argue that South Park a show on prime time national television for the past 23 years with all it's jew jokes created a whole generation of genuinely anti-Semitic kids who just didn't understand it's a joke. The fact is the vast majority of people who become alt-right do so because they are convinced by arguments not because they heard a jew joke.
yup same thing. now I can't help but advocate for a minority of any kind.
Same, like I'm I'm groups who totally do get that, then there are conservative groups
I’m not a white supremacist. Ask me if I’m a white supremacist, go on, ask me. 😂😂😂
Craig Johnson white supremacists won’t say their white supremacists if they want a platform
Whats Poppin no. But they’ll still say they believe white people are better. It’s not that hard.
@Craig Johnson "lack of racist acts" oh so the racist tweets and other things are a lack of racist acts now? If you have to frame it so inaccurately you might just be wrong
Noticing how no one asked him tbh
You know what everybody else here can't seem to follow directions so I guess I'll have to do it 🙄. Are you a white supremacist?
I've been following Dank for a number of years and his fundamental take on freedom of speech is that you should be able to say whatever you want without being LEGALLY punished for it. There are a few exceptions in regards to incitements to violence and forms of expression that infringe on children's innocence (among other exceptions). As someone who is very familiar with Dank it seems absurd that people actually believe that he's a fascist, nazi or a white supremacist. The beliefs he's preached for years clash so hard with nazism and white supremacy.
Some of the jokes are bad taste, such as the first one Vaush noted, but a lot of his stuff is legitimately, curl over belly laughing, hilarious as well, and seeing things like his very compassionate interview with Chris-Chan, his sympathy for individuals noted in his mad lad stories suggest to me he's not some evil guy to me.
You can argue he is a bit naive, maybe, but I don't get genuine racist vibes from him, he seems to just be a genuine libertarian.
@@Canadish What does it mean to have a "Bad faith" joke though? A joke at the expense of another person? That's just a joke. Vaush in this debate literally conceded that you should be allowed to joke about anybody or anything because that's what comedy is about.
@@shmockette7158 Well hang on there, I said bad taste, which is different to bad faith.
Bad taste is generally crass or crosses a threshold where a joke tips more into unkind or uncomfortable than actually being funny at all.
The best comedians can run it right up to the line, make you THINK they are about to tip over, then subvert your expectations by pivoting around etc.
What I was saying is, Dank someone trips over himself and falls over the line, though I specifically think he does so in good faith.
Bad faith, is generally something you run into more during debate, when someone isn't really engaging with your point or coming in with a different agenda than to discuss the point (they are just promoting themselves etc) and usually unwilling to even entertain the idea of changing their perspective if shown to be wrong etc.
In a joke context, I suppose it would be like making a racist or misogyny joke, just to say racist and misogynistic things without any proper humour behind it.
@@Canadish I know the difference, I just misread your comment. Bad taste is highly subjective though of course but on that topic I absolutely think Vaush was arguing in bad faith here.
Crazy that people think horsefucker here "won the debate" lmao... inb4 ad hominem, its waaaaaay too funny not to mention.
Styxhexenhammer did not debate Vaush in this debate.
Honestly, why should he? Vaush is such a dumbass at debates, that he's not worth Styxhexenhammer's time. Hell, he's not worth anybody's time, not even the comedian Dankula.
This is top tier bait.
Jacob Shinn nice b8 m8
He was scared
Ito if Vaush is such a dumbass debates, then Styxhexenhammer would fine it a breeze to debate him, but he didn’t
ok ngl as a black person its wierd to hear white people say how much they love black people its a lil wierd no hate tho
Who said this & when??
I think it's because Vaush is atttacted to men so he's implying he likes that bbc lol
It's actually a meme about Jesse Lee Peterson
What he means is he loves to use you as a debating tool
Yeah it's offputting
After this debate I came across a white supremacist cope video where they were having a complete meltdown about Count Dankula's opinion on immigration. Half the comments were "what a traitor!" and the other half were "hopefully this is just him memeing" so yeah, you did a real good job with this one Vaush.
Link it
@@odst123451 Right wing cancel culture strikes again ua-cam.com/video/8U6tVTqul0g/v-deo.html
lmao, for some reason it's hilarious to me that the right has its own version of wokescolds who nitpick any nazi-adjacent edgelord who isn't nazi enough
@@mikebiggums1921 The comment section is some hilarious shit. So much virtue signaling that Danks is betraying his child. Its honestly pathetic
@@darko1295 "Isn’t he trying for a baby? His child/ children’s children will have to live with the consequences of this. Selfish and disgusting."
How can someone read those comments and not call these people SJW's?
Could you debate his pug next time? The dog literally heiled Hitler, and needs to be confronted
@Coom Lord oh come on dude, the dog would fucking crush vaush
@@SorenReaper7339 This but unironically.
Yeah, a pug, a literal genetic abomination, doing a salute. I think there's an argument to be made here about arians being mutants
Wait is this the guy who's dog got him sent to jail in the UK
@@ARJaymusic yeah. He rode that wave as far as he could.
Vaush: "a² + b² = c²"
Dankula : "ahahahahah a, b and c are fookin letters not nombers"
@Pan M Just a joke m8 :^)
@Pan M for* learn how to take a joke
Pan M triggered
Pan M 🌨🌨🌨❄️❄️❄️
I love how he didn't respond as soon as they turned the "It's a joke" excuse on him.
Maybe this would have been better if Vaush's stance had not been "you are a white supremacist", but rather "you promote white supremacism"?
Craig Johnson that literally the whole point of the vid
I agree... But with the caveat that the refusal to acknowledge the signal boosting of white supremacists in itself is indicative of racist behavior, sooo
He promotes white supremacism because he's a WS.
@@jakenbakin9086 so what? Finish your sentence
A Dog I’m sorry are you dense? Lol
“...so people can lie about their beliefs, and their actions matter more.”
“Yep”
“So these actions make it clear that-“
“Actions don’t really mean anything, let me explain my beliefs.”
“Is it conceivable that someone might lie about their beliefs”
“Yes”
“So how do we determined someone’s beliefs”
“Well you could just ask me”
It’s a fucking circle
His actions don't support the idea that he's racist/a fascist and etc. Not everyone is a liar... unless you're willing to admit that Vaush has been lying to you all this entire time.
It's the Patrick "Not my wallet" Meme.
@@dozyproductionss Did you think that this was a gotcha?
“Not everyone is a liar........unless VAUSH IS!!!!”
It’s doesn’t even logically follow in a rhetorical sense, proofread your sentences dude
I don't really like any side, but Dank is clearly an idiot here.
“My audience *really* , *really* like Trans woman, because they have fine taste” was great
really liking them is too much
Fetishize trans women uwu
@@samfacultad9669 🤣🤣
welcome aboard
@@samfacultad9669 better then not caring about the issue as a whole no?
Ask me if my head hurts. Go on, ask me.
does your boo boo hurt?
Do your eggs feel ok?
Does you huge brain hurt?
What hurt your brain more talking to Dankula or talking to Mexie?
Does your head hurt?
Dankulas style of humor is walking into a room, shitting in his hand, smearing it all over the walls and laughing at the people who tell him to stop. The joke is that people told him to stop, I think?
Vaush and dankulas humor share many of the same chords my dude.
I think your problem must actually be with his message?
So, he’s in a GG ALLIN cover band?
@@tawdryhepburn4686 Right?!
Now, call me crazy but I like Vaush AND Dankula. Its like how I enjoy both the Dead Kennedys and Agnostic Front. I dont have to agree with Vinnie and them about their politics, but theyre enjoyable to be around and open up for. Theyre nice people and fun to hang out with.
I have a ton of friends who are like Dankula. Tons of friends who are their own versions of Jello Biafra. Somehow we all get along.
I do think some of Dankula's jokes are cringe, but I dont get upset about it. I just dont think Dankula is a smart guy. He really honestly doesnt think about this shit. I cant hold that against him. Its not his fault he's not an intellectual. He's just some dude that got famous for making a really off color video. He's not Lenny Bruce, he's some guy who LIKES Lenny Bruce. His fans, and people who REALLY hate Dankula are cringe to me. I dont know why anyone thinks he thinks through his actions or has a world view or philosophy. Its clear that Dankula is just some dude who talks to people on UA-cam the way drunk punks talk to each other at a bar.
@@tawdryhepburn4686 he made a video about GG.
the joke is haha funny poopoo on the wall
I love that Vaush is vibing putting on chapstick while Dankula is smoking
Bruh The bruh yeah one is actively getting cancer
Vox Populi both are count dankula
Vox Populi why would Vaush read his comments? You’re coming off kind of unhinged
Camdiddly sometimes a pipe is just a pipe.
@Vox Populi Why are you telling him what he already knows?
The dishonest, arrogant twat is a bad guy, who'd have thought?
count dankula is the phisical representation of "it's not that deep bro" Man is smoking , doesn't give a fuck. Just chilling
thing is he has said that’s his political views and people still make out what he does being too deep
@@bennett7542 because his actions suggest otherwise
@@jonahnesmith7004 No lol, They don't.
@@seditt5146 if you wanna deny reality, you can do that, but I'll go with the facts. Stop being an emotional simp
@@jonahnesmith7004 You are not into any sort of reality to deny. I doubt you even know anything at all about his actions yet here you are.
Wait, Dankula smokes inside? I thought he wasn't a communist anymore, after all, smoking inside is really classless.
When Hannah Arendt moved to America she thought they were classless for not letting her smoke inside ...
@@nullset560 and? Smoking inside is gross no matter who does it.
I ain't gonna stop anyone from doing it in their own home, but it causes smoke stains on the ceiling, anything made of fabric perpetually smells like ash. It's just gross man.
@@w0t_m818 At first I thought you were making a joke but now I realize you were just making an unfunny observation. Why do you give a shit if Dankula fits your criteria of classy?
@@zacharykonopa2718 nerd
@@zacharykonopa2718 I personally don't like smoking inside, that's true, but it was also a joke. You can personally not like something and also make a joke about it.
Is Dank a comedian? I don’t know if he stated his position on that.
He seems to have incredibly low standards for comedy considering everything vaush said made him laugh.
@@g.s9943 his troll level is out of this world. He actually wins debates by laughing at the worst possible times, by himself. He pretty much owned Destiny that way. He confused him so much with missing punchlines that at some points we all got confused.
Yes, he is a comedian
As in, he travels the country and stands on stage telling jokes which people pay to come and watch
And he makes comedy sketches on UA-cam
@@I_Get_Computers_Puting Trolling and laughing is not winning a debate, it's just cringe.
@@TheRyantherenegade it's easy to make people laugh when your entire life is one big joke.
Why he ever thought getting into politics when he's a troll elemental, I will never understand.
Not that there is anything wrong with that in principle, but it has no place in a political party.
I’m not Sargon, I only joined the same party as him, ran along side him and campaigned for him.
thesatanic6 he campaigned for him, literally endorsing his views and attempting to convince others to put him in a position to make them policy. If he wanted to disavow Sargon and his politics then refusing to attend rallies and canvassing saying this is Carl of Swindon, darling of the online far right, running for a far right party, with far right policies, please vote for him, would be a great way of doing so. Or was that just joking too?
@@davidjordan697 ... And what were those "views" exactly?
@thesatanic6 As a Luciferian Satanist, and an anarchist, I have one kind request:
Please, do keep commenting! Thank you for the engagement. Thanks to your replies and comments, this video will be reaching a wider audience, and the left will grow! You're convincing literally no one with your bullshit arguments, and giving us leftists a fun punching bag. I appreciate your contributions to the cause, comrade.
Keep up the good work! 👍
@@LAIDBACKMANNER i dont know... maybe the ethnostate thing?
@thesatanic6 if someone endorses someone politically. Does that mean anything to you? Or does that somehow not mean the person doing the endorsing is being sincere?
Me: I saw you kill 3 people
Zodiac Killer: ask me if I am okay with killing people
Me: are you
Zodiac Killer:no
Me: oh I guess you're innocent then
so, what nazi thing did you see dankula do?
@@rickfordmorningstar130 no I understand that he's definitely not a Nazi and he's probably not racist but he had a pretty hard time phone that train of logic which was funny
@@rickfordmorningstar130 dankula didnt really do anything nazi related, but he's pretty ignorant if he thinks that:
Ask Me If Im A Racist
Are U A Racist
No
is actually a good way of finding out if someones a racist.
I recommend watching LonerBox video on him. After watching this debate... jesus Dankula.
@@LatinaCreamQueen ikr
Oh wow, turns out the guy named “Count Dankula” isn’t an intellectual heavyweight.
Yes, surprisingly some people spend their time shooting the shit and having fun instead of going on self righteous but ultimately meaningless crusades
I lol'd really hard at this. Scared my dog.
@Craig Johnson "go ahead ask me if I'm a white supremacist! I dare you, I'll prove so hard!"
@@bb-ob3te lmao
Amazing, w such a witty remark, u seem to have somehow overlooked Count's announcement as a comedian... U know comedians generally aren't intellectuals, right?
WAIT YOU GUYS ARE ACTUALLY RACIST I THOUGHT WE WERE JUST INDULGING IN OFFENSIVE AND ABSURD HUMOR
they are INDULGING IN OFFENSIVE AND ABSURD HUMOR
@@griffinoleary1694 Who cares if humor is absurd or offensive? Offense is taken, not given. It's not my fault if anyone gets offended. I am not going to police my humour, speech and thoughts so that I wouldn't possibly offend someone from 7 billion people.
@@jarek94cze because it attracts people who believe those jokes are true and find humour in that rather than whatever u find humour in.
Said no on ever. This is ludicrous. Not everyone is fucking autistic. White supremacy is only ever obvious or obscured behind silence.
@@lowercasehorse2363 Maybe it does attract those people, but implicit in that very statement, those people already believe that shit.
What is the difference?
Remember how Chris raygun said that we should consider the possibility that creators can also be pulled down the rabbit hole too?
^this
I am pleased with the outcome of this. I don't think the count is racist. I think he doesn't have a whole lot of self responsibility over his comments or his fans. But I think Vaush might have actually got to him on a few things. That's at least how I feel. Good job Vaush!
What do you mean?
Yeah. I'm worried this is one of those cases. Hopefully the guy isn't dumb or spineless enough to fall into that, but his tendency to be like "NO! THIS PERSON IS MY FRIEND SO THEY CAN'T BE A FASCIST TRYING TO RUIN THE GOVERNMENT WHO DESERVES TO GET THEIR ASS BEAT!!" indicates that he's probably not. And even if he is, it seems likely that one day he's gonna look up and see he's completely surrounded by people he claimed to find morally repugnant. My concern is how far is he going to go before he recognized those friends for what they are. I mean, I'm sure Hitler had friends who'd have sworn he was a nice guy.
@@MrYas500 like I'm subbed to dank and I've never once seen him make any content that he had any negative opinions about minorities or whatnot except for the way the UK handles migrants like they are children. I honestly think he is where destiny was when he was a libertarian, meaning he hasn't yet realized that when he is making jokes, the people around him laughing aren't joking.
Vaush is an literally a redditor mod lol
Pretentious? Yep. Arrogant? Yep. Pedophile? Without a doubt.
@@peateargriffin9932 You could either be the biggest Vaush hater or the biggest Vaush fan.
@@mycatcoco2603 lol so fucking true
@@mycatcoco2603 finally, schrodinger's commenter. you can see the same under pyrocynical's second channel videos lol
@@peateargriffin9932lol that aged super well
Sargon lost in this debate.
Bring back MTV Celebrity Deathmatch....that should please you 👌 😎
phoenixkhost haha yes
Yes, he obviously is a white supremacists, just like your mum and pet hamster.
Sargon avocado was destroyed in this debate
Sargon won his debate hand down against vaush.
Vaush regretted not watching Destiny’s cooking stream instead during this debate.
Destiny looked like he was cooking food for the first time in that debate.
Upvoted you almost purely for your username - but I agree with your observation as well.
Lololololololol
Because Vaush is a garbage debater xD
NegativeBurn he does tend to debate with garbage people, yep!
This was such a pointless conversation. Did Count Dankula really think he was just going to come on and get asked "are you racist?" to which he could then reply "no" and that would be the end of it?
Tbf the burden of proof lands on vaush, count dankula showed no signs of being an out and out white supremacist, no hate from him just edgy jokes. You can't accuse someone and ask them to disprove it just because they have different ideologies... Especially when such a label is harmful.
Do you understand how the burden of proof works?
Vaush didnt even go that far, it was just him angrily ranting about how totally racist count dankula is for almost three hours. Which i find funny cause from the few of this guys vids ive seen he comes off way more as a closet racist than dankula does. Kind of dude who donates to black charities and then crosses the street to avoid actual black people
Zombie Jesus but how do you disprove this besides saying that these were jokes and I’m not actually racist? It’s pretty much impossible to prove that you aren’t racist on a video call. Even some people who pretend to care about minorities and such are later exposed as really racist.
@@lindensalter6713 It was clear Vaush wanted to bring up some things he said and ask his takes on them and other questions he had for him. Based on his answers Vaush wanted to get a vibe for how this guy actually feels. Instead he refused to answer any questions and demanded that the only question he be asked is "are you racist?" and not willing to answer any other questions that might prove you're not a racist is a pretty compelling sign to me that he is in fact a racist.
Take a shot every time Vaush interrupts dankula
I got drunk af lol
The best surprise gem of the whole debate:
"We're gonna beat the globalists"
where in the vid is this
@@Ma_ksi 2:15:50
The whole second half of this debate was just gold
I don't think Dankula is bad faith or legitimately right-wing, I just think that he's uninformed/misinformed and it seems he ended up in the pipeline at some point. His logic reminds me of someone who would still think of themselves as a "liberal" without realizing that they're being brainwashed by the right. If he can make the realization that certain behaviours can enable fascism/white supremacy without the person even realizing or the ripple effect that systemic bigotry uses to perpetuate itself, I reckon that it would be possible to win him over. He needs to give up the edgelord shit and take things more seriously first though and I doubt he will.
Yeah, attachment too. Asking someone if they are a racists is merely to enquire as to their BELIEF about what label they use to call themselves, and as with beliefs, they dont need (but the good ones do) any basis in reality or evidence.
The strategy of defence is the same: see r/choosingbeggars or the Kubler Ross model. Denial, Anger, Bargaining, Depression and Acceptance, except some dont ever get there, but go back to DENIAL. It is comfortable after all, and acceptance comes with the heavy price of responsibility. Denial does not.
Seems our Count isnt willing to get uncomfortable or vulnerable to let go of his attachments or addictions. In fact, there is an acronym for motivations... (bad ones) MARIE... Money, Attachment/Addiction.Religion, Ideology and Ego....
*Dankula might not be a literal Nazi but he's 100% right wing. Delusional to pretend otherwise.*
He was just a normal guy who made a joke and was almost imprisoned for it. Which is directly because of the left. There is no "winning" him over. Hes felt the damage the left can do and hes here now trying to stop the left from hurting others in the future.
@@Secular_Scot If Dankula is rightwing so is 90% of the western world.
He did lie a lot about the UK in this, it's so many times I can't mention them all, from Jess Phillip's to police arrests, from Gaelic being a subject you can take in Scottish schools to Tommy Robinsons fascism. I'm not making it up everything he said about the UK was a misrepresentation or a lie. One irony being the UK is actually higher than the USA on freedom indexes.
Personally, I don’t really think Count Dankula is really a white supremacist; he genuinely just strikes me as a cringy edgelord who makes jokes mostly just to trigger people. But he definitely does a terrible job of cultivating a good fanbase, because there are plenty of Nazis and white supremacists in there.
Lucas Chambers Yeah he’s just too dumb to realise what he does
Or not. Who knows
Theres always the silverlining that he collects them in one place, making it easy to turn them all against the wall at once
@@anapaulapedro7025 everyone is dumb
but he has a following of racist shit boys. they probably feel emboldened by him. so thats kind of an issue.
Good point. Im a fan of his mad lad series, but definitely notice a high amount heavy right wingers and white supremacists
"Well I mean you're Scottish, I'm American. Maybe rebellion is just more in my blood or something."
*D E A D*
Ironic considering the Scots took the fight to the British centuries earlier.
Aye, that was a pretty shite take on Vaush's part haha
@@paddythebartender3361 wonder if vaush ever heard of Hadrian's wall, literally built all along the border because the scots were so unruly
@@wtw1427 that was literally never the reason Hadrian's wall was built. Generally speaking the most common theory is that Rome generally didn't view Scotland as worth it - there was no economic benefit and the geography was a problem so they just didn't bother. Hadrian's wall was most likely to impose customs on people going to Scotland, taxation etc, or another theory is that it was just to project power, as it was painted white and intended to be seen from miles around. As defensive walls go, it's pretty terrible due to it's pitiful height - it was clearly intended to be manned, which you wouldn't do if it was to just "Keep them out.", You'd build it tall. So yeah, the Romans weren't scared of Scotland, they just couldn't be bothered with it.
The Scottish did eventually become part of the United Kingdom though, under the jurisdiction of the English government. Sure they have a parliament but the Crown didn't become a figurehead until way later.
I liked the part where the funny talking man couldn't understand why a racist would intentionally lie about his views.
Ask me! Go on, ask me!
imagine being worried and anxious over racist jokes. lmfao grow a pair
Oh you mean that part between 3:00 and 2:29:52
I liked the part where it didn’t matter what he f*cking said, because if you say “You’re going to lie to me”, in an argument, what is the person supposed to respond with?
You people actually believing that that’s a “gotcha”, is so f*cking telling, that’s so god damn stupid.
kainedamo Well... the difference is you’re equating the state of Israel with Jewish people. He hasn’t done anything to indicate he hates Jews and actively discourages antisemites from engaging with his channel. Dankula refused to engage with whether he’s done the same thing.
Count dankula is actually a 12 year old edgelord stuck in a mans body.
Literally tho!!!
Says the dude named "Und3ad Frog".
There's nothing wrong with that..he can act like that if he wants and you don't get to change that
@@niceguy2527 nothing wrong? Lol OK dude. Eh it's a bit weird at best but of course he can do whatever he likes. He just better be prepared for mockery.
Joshua Edwards oof, ya got me
Dankula isn’t a white supremacist. But he’s fine with catering to the fans he’s acquired who actually believe that stuff. They make up a big enough part of his audience that he doesn’t want to alienate them on purpose.
If you provide a platform to elevate racist positions you support those racist positions, even if it's not what you inherently believe.
And Joseph Starlin would love vaush
@@notaturnip545 so does that make him the problem, or are the racist people that follow him, the problem? I bet there is some pretty extreme people that follow vaush? Personally I'd rather here both sides of an argument, if what count dankula has to say is so inherently wrong, it should only serve to bolster the arguments of vaush? Maybe it could even change the minds of some racists and help to balance their opinions.
@@migaloo364 so if dankula has ever openly denounced nazism then hes in the clear too? Cause i bet footage of him doing just that would be easy to find lol
@@markwales48 You missed the point. The difference is how its presented. Both Vaush and Dankula allow extremely racist people on their social media, but when Vaush allows it, he denounces them and debates against them. Dankula doesnt do that. Even if we assume that Dankula is never serious with the stuff he posts, he's still in the wrong because he's allowing racists to spread hate and not trying to debate them. Here's a simpler example. If someone watches someone else get murdered and they do nothing to try to stop it, they don't physically try to stop the killer, or even call for help or 911, the guilt of that person's death is on them as well. Inaction can show a person's beliefs just as much as actions do. Yes, the racists commenting on Dankula's pics are the problem but so is Dankula. Jokes are jokes and like Vaush said, theres no way to 100% prove if the person telling them is serious or not, but by not debating the racists in his comments, bottom line, Dankula is giving them a platform.
I love how chat doesnt realise that dankula is doing spliffs and not ciggies
@Justin Vaughan 😬
Is he? Who tf gets stoned for a debate of this prominence? Is there any evidence to suggest it's not just rolling tobacco?
@@claires1063 you assume count dankula either A cares or B isnt a moron. Either way you are mistaken
@@davidclowry1476 what are you talking about
@@claires1063 I'd rather be relatively stoned in a debate tbh, calms the mind and shit.
He genuinely isn't a white supremacist, he is just irresponsibly hanging around with them. Although its still morally aprehenshable, this is a very important distinction to make.
I agree! I actually like Count Dankula but he cozies up with this Alt-Right folks a little too much. Also in the UK there are some stiff punishment for these types of beliefs.So even if he was an alt-right he couldn't admit it or his career would be over.
I kinda sympathise with him though, the whole media turned on him and it was these alt-right pricks who came out to defend him. I think most people in his position would not try to antagonise those defending him, guys whole career would be over if he didn't pander to these nazis.
@@sniperpidgeon7245 being cancelled shouldn't influence anyone's ideals. If it does, the ideals were weak to begin with.
The thing is though, if you give white supremacy a platform you are directly inviting people into that mindset and actively spreading it to thousands of people. That is promoting white supremacy. And the only people who promote white supremacy are white supremacists. Whether you genuinely believe in white supremacy doesn't matter if you're still spreading it. You've already become a mouthpiece for the ideology, and thus are a white supremacist. Anyone who pushes for or acts in favor of racism, is a racist. It's the same with this.
Kate The Goat have you ever like, seriously re-evaluated your own beliefs? There’s strength in flexibility
Still can't get over Dankula embarrassing himself trying to join the UKIP party.
I'm from the UK and can't explain how much of a laughing stock he and Carl are.
As a lad who gave up on British politics halfway through Brexit may I ask; who tf are UKIP?
If dankula tried to join, I doubt they are a bright bunch.
I have a friend who knows carl personally and, while he's nice and perfectly fine to be around on a social level, he's a fucking toolbox once he opens his mouth about anything political and behaves like a seven-year-old
Luckily for him Sargon was so obnoxious that he sort of overshadowed Dankula.
His reasoning was so fucking dumb. "I'm tired of being accused of being alt-right, so I'll join this far-right political party! That'll show 'em!"
I supported him when he was prosecuted for the joke, but since then it seems as if he's gone out of his way to do everything he can to make me regret it.
Karl-Erik Vik UKIP is a political party that used to be led by Nigel Farage that has been around for years and just won’t seem to go away. Anti-immigration, anti EU. Basically popularised/pressured the idea of an EU referendum in the public eye. Sargon and Dank (and I think(?) Paul Joseph Watson) basically joined the party to be edgy, probably thinking it would “trigger the SJWs”, except no one actually gave a shit and instead Sargon spent about a month during the general election embarrassing himself as he fought off criticism for saying he “wouldn’t even rape” Jess Phillips. He also basically proved that he isn’t the political big brain he thinks he is, because when he wasn’t dealing with the Jess Phillips criticism, he failed to answer even simple questions on his positions. UKIP was on life support before that, fuck knows where Sargon’s involvement got them.
Trans people were praised for their sexual skills but still not seen as normal people in this debate.
Sounds kinda based, ngl
They're not. They're mentally ill.
good
@Stale Bagelz A sane reply at last
Hell I take it as a complement. Dank never said we werent people, just that he really likes us because we suck really good dick. Thanks man!
The idea that content creators are responsible for their audiences is ridiculous. It's basic economics: consumers drive the market, not producers.
Vaushs Scottish accent gave me cancer. Vaush I know you read these comments. I'm now a cancer patient due to this. Thanks.
The cure? Watch more vaush videos!
The cure? Great band.
@Dead Ninja Storage what are they? I dont see em
If you want more ailments watch Vaush's deer noises, then you will also have Syphilis.
Bold statement to laugh at the guy who comes from the island where the language came from
You are the funny sounding one, Dankula sounds more similar to how English should be spoken like
I still can't tell if dankula is hiding behind "it's just a joke", or he really is just an edgy manchild
_why not both?_
I have a feeling it is hard he is just an edgy man child that refuses to take responsibilities for his actions.
Like the example he gave with the whole satan shit is SUPER cringe
That's some shit I would've done when I was like 14 and would not have looked at it as a peak moment in my comedy lmao
Dank memes
He's bascially someone who isn't a very funny person so has to go for the easiest juvenile jokes and because the only people who laugh at that are children and right leaning people, it means all his "facts" come from them this causes his position to be informed by that.
im not convinced he knows what a joke is nor has any appreciation for the philosophy of humour, particularly:
. The Superiority Theory
. The Relief Theory
. The Incongruity Theory
See plato.stanford.edu/entries/humor/
This was not a debate in this debate
Count dankula is a million miles way better then Ben shapiro.
Anything but baby face.
They are two completely different people, their only real ideological overlap is free speech is good
Speaking as a leftoid or whatever, yeah. I’ve known dudes like Dankula IRL. I can at least smoke a blunt with them and talk about video games. I have nothing in common with Shabibo. He’d say something to get himself punched. In Roblox.
Ben Shapiro is actively harmful, Dankula encourages harm because he's.. well.. just living a life he doesn't need to care for. "Family" takes care of him.
@@abusaad8523 no
I know dankula resented this but as someone who only knew him from a few Twitter antics a few years ago, I legitimately thought he had joined the alt right and was at least a white nationalist. This clarified a lot. I actually think this was a productive conversation. Even if he didn’t
"Tommy Robinson isn't a fascist." "The Proud Boys aren't fascists"
Maybe your problem is that you don't have the first clue what fascism is, lad.
Explain to me how Tommy Robinson is a fascist. I'm genuinely curious how one would even begin to argue such a thing.
@@jackzen4547 Dude was literally a BNP member at one point. You know, the British Nazi party (yes, I know the BNP stands for British National Party)? The party that is unanimously agreed to be fascist?
@@bitchesbrew2315 First of all "was", secondly, "unanimously", sure?
people usually get more moderate with age, so even if he was a fascist, nowadays could be a regular right winger.
BTW, I'm from Europe where there are actual fascists, at least we don't have to guess who's fascist and who isn't.
To be specific, I'm from Italy and now I will list you my country's right wing parties in order of "intensity":
Scelta Civica= liberal right
Forza Italia= center-right
Lega= populist right, not fascist
Fratelli d'Italia= right (former fascists, former as in 30 years ago)
Casa Pound= actual fascists
Forza Nuova= actual fascists
No matter what you read on the news, this is fact.
@@kaisersoymilk6912 Soooooo, him being joint vice-chairman of the British Freedom Party, a party started by former BNP members, leading the English Defence League
, an organization whose purpose is defined as "palingenetic ultranationalism" (aka the literal definition of fascism) and advising a former leader of UKIP is not very convincing for you (granted, UKIP isn't as extreme as the other two but is still pretty fashy)? Not even his contributions to Rebel Media, a publication that hosted a journalist that characterized a manifesto by Richard Spencer that called for organizing states along racial lines as "robust" and "well thought-out?"
I don't know what I should point out for you to be convinced. He has a long list of receipts and he doesn't exactly make returns. He has acted pretty much the same no matter where he was, so why should anyone believe otherwise?
@@bitchesbrew2315 the literal definition of fascism is this: _"a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism"_
Is he advocating for dictatorship and suppression of free speech? Because this is the more defining trait of fascism, Fascism was born in contrast to democracy (and Socialism). Being racist doesn't make you a fascist.
Someone from his audience literally posed the geniune question of "shouldn't we have ethnostates for white people" and he doesn't think he's cultivating ethnonationalism in his community.
Craig Johnson what just because this one person says this doesn’t mean everyone thinks this. There are things as outliers.
@False Feathers Im sorry what leftists want ethnostates?
Ask yourself if tankies being present and unironicly writing things in Vaushs chat means that he's cultivating stalinism in his community. Whatever your answer is, that should be your fair standard for Dankulas position. If however you can't bring yourself to keep them to the same standard, then 'hypocricy, thy name is Nicholas'. (edit: switched general 'the' for specific 'your')
@@bushjuniorthegreat The answer is Yes
How do you know it was a genuine question?
Chat in the video is fucking toxic. From the beginning Count has been having to defend his self. How do you want to find common ground when you barely give one room to talk? Seven hells.
Suddenly it's not a joke anymore, huh? Oh no, he has to defend himself :( The chat is just joke to trigger and upset snowflakes like you.
im only 35 minutes in, but all I'm hearing from Dank's side is "Yes, I tricked you into thinking I am racist. How can you think I'm racist?"
Radle yah, but if they constantly make them and accumulate a fascist audience then it becomes an issue
@Radle making racist jokes every 5 minute might or might not make you a racist, but it will surely attract an audience who like racist jokes, some of which might be actual racists.
"making racist jokes every 5 minutes" says man who's clearly never watched a Dankula video
@@gmodrules123456789 A lot of this comment section seems to think so
Bruh 🤦♂️, u dumb af
I love Vaush, I really do. And as a Scottish man Dankula embarrasses me deeply. But Vaush didn't "win" this debate. Dank didn't either, but he's not a white nationalist, so it was impossible for Vaush to win this.
You are 100% correct. Tbh this convo seemed kinda pointless. Also as a fellow Scottish man I too feel deeply embarrassed by that mindless child.
@Foul Gerbil No you're missing the entire point, even if he did say that, it still wouldn't be proof that he's actually a nazi because we can't just take his word. Vaush is trying to show how his actions lead people to conclude that Dankula is a white supremacist.
Yeah, I think he got a big ego boost during the Styx being a coward saga, that he agreed to an impossible debate withouth thinking.
I like Vaush, but all in all he looked pretty bad in the discussion, with his reframing of the debate and his very vague definition of white nationalism, to then shittalking Dankula in the post debate discussion. He was kind of an idiot for accepting such a debate in the first place.
I mean, Vaush acknowledged that he can never actually deduct and prove for sure that Dankula is a white supremacist both in the beginning and in the streams prior to this one. That's why he lead the conversation into discussing Dankula's optics, his edgy content that attracts actual white supremacists and the fact that he isn't willing to do anything to moderate his audience.
Dankula might not be an ethnostater but he definitely enforces ideas of white nationalism in his comedy that basically aligns witj segregation
The issue with Count is that he seems really unwilling to drop the facade of 'jokes' and irony to have a serious conversation. During this debate there were some points where there was a substantial amount of middle ground and reasonable stances on a number of issues, but the amount of fighting tooth and nail to get to that point was such a headache. The capitulation to an audience of actual alt-right types and nazis doesn't help either. At the end of the day I think he's probably an okay dude, his optics and demeanour while capitalizing on the current culture war are just such a struggle to contend with that it's impossible to like him on a personal level.
Sejez Thats not an argument. Also it’s kinda funny coming from someone whose subbed to “ARGH THE FEMINISTS THEIR DUMB” channels with a dash of Alt-right channels.
Hmmstiny...
Sejez Atheism Unstoppable is tho and so is Mr. Metikour (I didn’t mentioned amazing atheist btw that was you)
As for guessing political stances you could just idk inductively reason like what most people do. Seems to work pretty well.
D_Girl
Inductive reasoning is not working too well for you if you think Aiu is alt right lmao
To be honest he doesn't really seem equipped to have a sincere conversation about a lot of these issues. I wish people would stop holding him up (in positive and negative lights) as some kind of political figure; he's a not particularly bright lad who fell in with some bad types. He's done some harm but he's not a good target, and would be best left to fade into obscurity.
There is no point in engaging honestly with bad faith actors like Vaush. The difference between Count Dankula and Vaush is that Count Dankula admits that he's engaging in these platforms for the lols while Vaush poses as a person arguing in good faith, when he's really just a highly skilled rhetoritician who engages in self masturbatory word salad that serves to fuel his narcissism and enjoys exercising this prowess to declare "victory" over opponents (even other leftists). He constantly bounces back and forth between useless tautologies and vague definitions, and more daring definitions of the same words to weasel his way out of having his own standards applied to him (see the Molyneux debate). This is really just left wing internet blood sports and Vaush is nothing more than a sophist looking to "own" his opponents, not looking for a better understanding of a subject or truth.
The left would be wise to starve this narcissist of attention and not fuel his manipulative behavior.
Am I the only one who actually found the conversation significantly entertaining and interesting?
Like at first they were kind of snappy and condescending of each other but as the discussion went on it got more calm and was just 2 dudes talking about a lot of interesting issues. Kinda don't understand why there's so many dislikes.
cause facies dont realise u can have an actual conversation
People who only watched the beginning probably thought Vaush was being a douche
Ha... dislikes.....
@@distantlol Yeah its totally that and not Vaush's fans mad that he didn't try to maul Dankula like a rabid dog like he usually does.
@@distantlol you didn’t even spell the insult right! It’s Fascies* you gotta include the S
The most annoying for me, from Vaush was him not knowing much UK politics, every single point Dankula made about UK politics was factually incorrect, it was just all fantasy. And unfortunately he can get away with it as he knows almost all his fans are american and Vaush to so he can lie and lie and not get called out on it. That is why he would constantly pivot to it as it allowed him to lie. As a British person I know every British person would just be confused as nothing he said was even close to any semblance of truth.
So is what he said about the UK police incorrect? Just genuinely curious because it sounds horrible the way dankula describes it, and I'm ignorant to almost everything UK
@@l_is_real1567 yep, the song thing is just not a law and you have to abuse police officer for them to arrest you (now that is a bit harsh I guess) but what he tried to claim was if you swore in the vercinity of a police officer you can get arrested which is utter nonsense. Swear words are much more excepted in British culture than American.
The most ironic thing is the UK actually ranks higher than the USA on freedom indexes.
I’m neither British nor American and even I could practically hear the British audience going “fuck you going on about, mate?”
@@aninditdewan9060 no I'm not, I've never dabbled in discord in general
I really wish that someone could actually challenge Count Dankula on what actual policies and laws he is against from Labour and the SNP.
The SNP isn’t far left. They’re left, but they’re a populist party. They’re not going to embrace an extreme political stance. The most extreme stance they have is that most of them support Scottish Independence, and how the fuck is that a partisan issue?
As for Labour, they are most DEFINITELY not far left. Fuck, Scottish Labour sides with the Tories just so they could oust the SNP (they failed to do that, of course). They were willing to throw any semblance of leftism under the bus to maintain the status quo. Labour is rife is Blairite neo-libs and Corbyn is pretty much hated by his own party. So where are these far left extremists running our country?
This is exactly the Jreg "I am not a Nazi I am just dumb" video
Jreg has a fitting video for most idiots who pretend to be political on UA-cam
@@Markus8Markus8 political people on youtube suck a lot though
"People can lie about their beliefs but you should still believe me" the movie
People might not even understand it fully I have seen some very authoritarian people call themselves libertarians.
@@daraghokane4236 Ben shapiro btw
Mayman basically any Trump supporter
Staring the guy who's for the decriminalization of CP for the sake of Ideological consistency, and an edge lord.
@@kainedamo I notice you've no actual counterargument to the fact that a white supremacist would lie about their position.
Address the argument, then we can talk.
This guy is what I imagine every Reddit mod to look like..
Vaush or Dancula?
It's all fun and games until fascism takes power.
When I'm in the death camps, I'll remember the memes.
Ye Soviet Union was better
@@oracle8192 also hungary and poland and the us and the uk and brasil all have become more rightwing in recent years
@@oracle8192 Spell fascist correctly you bumbling buffoon. Also Russia isn't "neo-fascist". It's just a corrupt oligarchy, actual Russian nationalists and fascists hate Putin.
The camps are just a joke
Duke Ivanov I was yolking. It. Sucked. All Russias sucked.
It's kind of weird that halfway through this interview count dankula was arrested for not paying his fridge tax and you decided to include that.
😂😂
for real? lol
What is this needledrop-ass comment lmao
@@claires1063 Bro litterally just thought the same thing and saw your comment. I dont usually reply to comments at all on youtube but this really made my day :) Thank you
I don’t think Dankula’s actually a racist. I do think he’s a bit of a grifter and definitelg doesn’t realize the implications of his actions.
@mickor Sex offender..? Explain.
@mickor That doesn't make someone a sex offender.... You're spreading fake news fam.
@mickor Is this a meme
This is what we say about every single influencer who fosters a racist audience.
mickor i dont think you get it. vaush isnt saying he’s a white supremacist on accusations alone. he said he’s a white supremacist based on his actions and affiliation with the alt right. i personally dont think he’s a white supremacist, just a coward whose to afraid to distance himself from the alt right and doesn’t understand the harm he is doing by staying with these people
I've been watching dankula's content for a while. I've been watching since the Nazi Pug stuff in fact. His second channel is more of his straight to the point stuff. I obviously can't know what he ACTUALLY believes. But, I'm pretty certain he isn't a nazi or a white supremacist. He's actively denounced and argued against people like that. I think he's genuinely a free speech advocate who will surround himself with people who agree with that. Kind of an "enemy of enemy..." thing. He's no debater, clearly. The closest political affiliation you could put him in is Libertarian Centrism as far as I've been able to deduce. I'm very left leaning, but do not believe he has any ill intent. He's just a little 2edgy4you and sometimes that can be super funny. But, that's clearly gotten him in trouble and it shouldn't have, at least not legally.
He’s actually against the idea of ‘enemy of my enemy is my friend’ he just hates authoritarianism and limiting free speech.
if you look at stuff like his video on the sudden inexplicable rise in crime in britain that something needs to be done about and his involvement with ukip it's pretty clear where he stands on immigration for one thing
@@sidarthur8706 I mean, that video was a few years ago, and he's gone more in depth on his opinions regarding immigration and I don't see Nazi. He made it during Brexit so I don't know if having a stance against immigration until they knew what the next step was is something I can exactly blame him for. He's also no longer a part of UKIP. I also think he gets pinned with guilt-by-association a lot. UKIP had members that were openly white supremacists that he openly disagreed with. But, it was the only party that was so pro free speech. It's sort of an enemy-of-my-enemy thing. Maybe not 100% that, but close.
He has done more in my mind to denounce and reject Nazism and White Supremacy than he has to confirm his support of it. Unless he takes a harder stance on an issue that isn't free speech, then maybe we can gleam more from it
Blayne Littleford that's all fair. i wouldn't call him a nazi, i don't think he has a clearly thought out philosophy at all
@@sidarthur8706 a lot of people have no solid thought-out positions, they follow trends. This is most obvious in corporate media where opposite sides simply trade scripts depending on what party is in power, but it happens in indie media too.
Dankula is a comedian but doesn't get punchlines.
He also made less jokes and definitely much less jokes that landed than Vaush who is not a comedian. I'd be embarrassed to call myself a professional comedian and being the less funny person.
We say no to pay to win COPE. Keep doing damage control and posting the same comment over and over again. Vaush is a imbecile.
he himself is a punchline. i certainly find him laughable anyway.
Whole lot of sadbois here upset Vaush is a better comedian and communicator than their boy Dank
Maybe the real punchlines were the Dunkulas we made along the way
Much as I don’t like Dankula when he did the Nazi salute and started reciting the fourteen words at the end was genuinely hilarious.
Anyway the whole ‘it’s just jokes I’m a comedian’ excuse kind of falls apart when you join and try to become an elected representative of a far right political party.
To be fair to him, UKIP were the only party with any free speech provisions in their manifesto so guess that was enough to get him on board. Still not a great move
Ryan Anderson they didn’t until he joined, they were mainly known for their xenophobic anti immigrant rhetoric.
Him joining UKIP was just a joke too! 😉
Ukip are just funny conservative boomers, kinda like the american republican party
Hahahahahaha. Far right. People have some ahit hot takes.
that n word thing is literally word for word an old louis ck bit. All of these guys desperately want to be that early 2000s comedian but they're not funny.
Except they are funny and that's why they are rich from their jokes and you are bitching on UA-cam
C_Force no i dont think thats it bud
@@jein8171 You're objectively wrong. A large amount of people think he's funny therefore he is funny. Nobody is funny to everyone
Moon Man that large amount of people are under 80IQ so your point is irrelevant
@Tony Montana yes. shchumer is funny. People find her funny. Taylor swift is a good musician. People like her music. Just because YOU don't like something, doesn't mean it's not good.
This guy isn't as bad as you may think. There is a cultural disconnection here, Dankula is a somewhat thoughtless, shitposter and ascribing any hidden fascist or racist tendencies to him is wrong headed. I'm from the UK and I know people like him and he isn't a bad dude.
i think it's people solely having the perspective of an American. Europe is a different place. different cultures.
Fact
nd you’re white?
@@libertarianstouchkids relevance?
@@pauljames1807 in the u.k. people love to say racism isn’t an issue or it’s not that bad, commonly white people, there’s irony of white people denying people they have bonds with who are clearly racist but they don’t acknowledge it. original comment says “ i know people like him and he isn’t a bad dude” i’m sure the people he knows who are like dankula are definitely racist but being white allows him to be ignorant to that
I honestly think Dankula is just the typical teenage "ironic" Reactionary, just never grew up beyond dead baby jokes.
Doesn't change the broader effects his humour has though.
@@staraptorflock3661 never once said he was against free speech.
dead baby jokes never get old though.
Just like the babies
@@staraptorflock3661 I promote free speech too, but if I had as many neonazis following me, I'd be really fucking concerned and would reconsider how I structure my content.
I don't think he's a nazi nor that he opposes free speech, but it seems that he doesn't take the far-right seriously.
Which might be because he seems to think literally everything is a joke or a meme, so fair I guess.But it could also be that he's just a little racist, we'll never know I suppose.
@@staraptorflock3661 it's a gradient. That's why I used the term "that many". It's pretty easy to get most of them to unsub, just do something progressive.
If you're like Vaush it's even easier, you can ban them.
Again though, it's a gradient, and I think it speaks more for the content than the creator
@@staraptorflock3661 Dankula's done fuck-all to help free speech. In fact he's damaged legitimate free speech causes by giving them the unfair reputation of being a load of immature edgelords who just want to talk about how cool Hitler is without any repercussions.
Here we can see a "comedian" whose funniest joke is "Communism doesn't work".
Communism is a joke.
When your coupons Ain't good anymore cuz capitalism is holding up so well, all heil the stonks.
I find it funny that Vaush made a lot more jokes than Dankula did, when Dankula is supposed to be a professional comedian, tbh it just embarrassing.
@@DereBear Capitalism is the only economic system that creates wealth. It may also create differences in wealth but other economic systems only create wealth inequalities.
@@averagedemocrat9546 oh boy let's debate capitalism vrs. Socalism in the fucking youtube comment section. Smoothbrain
Vaush agreed to an impossible argument in this debate.
Worst debate in a long time
If it's an impossible argument, he shouldn't have made the accusation in the first place.
@Quest Tzecai Dankula is a liberal as far as the actual "right" is concerned. Why is it that your and Vaush's perspectives are what we have to go by? This mindset is so flaccid.
It wasnt a debate. It was one person crying "heretic" and the other one refuting the accusation. And you guys are impressed by this pea brain sophistry
@Quest Tzecai He really doesn't though. While it is fair that he has a lot of white supremacists in his audience (because they're fucking stupid and can't tell that has not actually on their side), an intelligent person who has engaged with Dankula's content for more than a couple of videos could tell you he's just an edgy memelord.
By the end, Vaush conceded he doesn't think that Dankula is actually a white supremacist, and he could have worked that out if he'd seen more of Dankula before making the accusation
Vaush was trying so fucking hard to paint Dankula as a racist here and it just didn’t stick.
Nah he absolutely successfully demonstrated his point here. Dankula couldn't engage with Vaush's point that looking at someone's actions can demonstrate underlying biases in a way that answering the question "are you a racist" simply can't.
Of course any person with a shady ideology and more than 10 IQ would simply answer "no" to any question about whether they belong to said shady ideology. That doesn't demonstrate anything. And Dankula knows it because he even says somewhere at the start that actions speak louder than words.
And then it turned out that Dank is not only friends with known fascist Tommy Robinson but also defends him as not being a fascist, yeah, that says all you need to know about him. I even looked up that Lucy Brown case and she's literally a neo-nazi. There's no point in even further analyzing Dank's behavior here. He's either an incredible idiot or he knowingly goes to bat for his fascist buddies.
The funniest part of this debate to me is in the beginning Vaush made a prediction that Dankula would use the “it’s a joke” defense multiple times. Dankula was in fact planning on doing that so he tried to point out that Vaush was making that prediction as a means to discredit the joke defense. Vaush then pointed out that Dankula is preemptively defending his future joke defenses by pointing out that Vaush was preemptively discrediting the joke defense.
Lmfao it’s like debate inception.
What's that meme with the stand up guy who looks at all his jokes being exactly the same after he gets booed and he's sweating
I see your. And
@NuclearHobo42 But Vaush didn't shut him down for that, he just accurately predicted his response
@@brandonden795 which proves nothing, in terms of the theme of the debate.
Destiny got destroyed in this debate ngl
Honestly destiny would beat Count Dankula
@@jjjorp I mean, he did
Ngl?
@@casualmajestic9223 not gonna lie
you're a white man!
I’m genuinely struck by his ignorance in regard to the impact he has with his actions
I think its because he's a free speech absolutist, so in his mind he's acting as an individual and so are every single one that views his content. While what i've noticed on the left sphere is that every single word you say, you should be held accountable to the fullest extent, especially if you're not left on every single opinion. Vaush is edgy, but he more often then not gets a pass, but if the inverse happened (someone like Dankula) he'd get treated with 0 wiggle room to be edgy. This is what Vaush is starting to understand now when the left is taking potshots at him more often.
Osama bin Obama I agree to an extent. The dichotomy Vausch presents speaks to the ignorance I initially referred to.. but there were multiple moments where I (hope) I saw moments of humility/contemplation of contradictions in action etc. I think vausch is an important voice on the left but no one is infallible and in that spirit I hope this is a growing moment
he knows the impact of his actions, he just doesn't have the spine to admit it.
It's actually infuriating how fucking ignorant he is regarding his responsibility as a content creator.
I'm really shocked and appalled that the so called left are the new moral busybodies. Clutch your pearls, m'lady.
53:02 This is very ironic
Count Dankula: It'S jUsT jOkEs!
Vaush: but you seem to gain the big traction with a lot of racist people?
Count Dankula: I cAn'T cOnTroL tHaT!
Vaush: I made sure to get rid of Tankies and Wokescols early in my fans.
Count Dankula: I'm jUsT a CoMeDiAn!!!
And? Why should dank care about who follows him?
Do you think these ‘racists’ will just disappear if he caters to your standards?
Also you’re a fool if you think vaush doesn’t have a tankie audience
@@crazykubla cuz then he wouldn't have to debate someone over not being racist. He makes it seem like he doesnt care who follows him but its painfully obvious that he is completely fine and encourages racism in his fanbase. But when confronted on that he just uses stupid ass mental gynecologist like "im just a comedian" and not simply owning up to it
The laughable thing being he always walks back to comedian defense, but the person who made the most jokes in the debate was Vaush the person not hiding being I'm a comedian defense.
@@dirtyogurt9271 That's not even remotely what wokescolding is.
@OligarchySlayer ''Tankies'', sure. Where do you even look?
I'm listening to this for the second time and I didn't realise the amount of times Dankula Pivot's, moves goalposts, talks over Vaush, makes contradictory statements and lies. He just constantly lies, anything to do with the UK he lied about.
thesatanic6 you have the freedom to day what you want, you also have the freedom to shut up people who disagree with you
thesatanic6 he didn’t say that, he said Tommy Robinson advocates for and is trying to enact political positions that present an existential threat to minority groups so to oppose him with violence is self defence. That’s completely compatible with supporting free speech unless you’re A: stupid or B: a fash pretending to be A.
@thesatanic6 so you have provided no argument and just said something you perceived as hypocrisy from Vaush (which isn't an argument against the shit Dankula did) that as points doubt by other commenters is just you not having enough knowledge on the topic and thinking of free speech in a very basic way, like a light switch.
@@sargonsblackgrandfather2072 No under UK law that's called assault
Frankie Boyle is one of the most edgy comedians i am aware of, and yet his audience doesn't foster the edgy plausible deniability xenophobes and white supremacists. I wonder why.
That's because Frankie is actually a comedian, and Dankula isn't
@Craig Catto yes, that's why no one complains
You have no idea about how Frankie Boyle did comedy before he became woke. He mocked black people, disabled people and people dying of cancer.
Frankie Boyle's comedy is so much more nuanced than "what if I said a racist/sexist thing and then chuckled hehe". Of course he relies heavily on shock value but there are also genuine set-ups, and he uses well-established comedy devices like subverting expectations and absurdist imagery. It's clear from the context and the way he tells his jokes that they're almost never a sincere reflection of his beliefs. Also when saying offensive things ironically he draws from a wide pool of bigoted beliefs to satirise, rather than drawing exclusively from Nazi shit like Dankula does.
From what I've seen Dankula's prepared standup shows are a lot better written, and work fine for a middle-of-the-road 'offensive' comedian. It's just the stuff he says on Twitter and in Internet videos that fail to land, because they're basically just racist shit devoid of context.
I’m suddenly reminded of all the times I’ve seen “edgy” professional comedians in interviews literally call out people trying to hide behind “it’s just a joke bro” just to say racist or sexist shit.
36:58 I have to disagree with Vaugh
One of the funniest things I saw in my life was a discussion between 3 racists
Where the spanish and french mocked the portuguese for not being pure blooded, with the portuguese trying to convince them that he was at the same time calling out the spanish one because he was in the same situation(part of Spain was also conquered by Muslims)
pol/ gives some pearls from time to time
Racism just keeps dividing itself, it's their nature. Right now it might seem like they are all united against people of color but once that's settled, it's English against Celts, Germans against Slavs. At some point Italians were not considered "white" to the anglo americans and many Germans think Scandinavians are not "white" but "yellowish".
@@treehugger3615 Isnt that funny?
Most of the time Im pissed with ignorance but when it comes to racism I can only laugh
The cognitive dissonance is part of racism imo and they cant see it😂
Those aren’t races they’re nationalities
@@baptisedindirtysprite3593 Well yes but the same principles still apply
@@baptisedindirtysprite3593 Yeah? Well they don't seem to care when fighting each other. And that's another thing, the line between one ethnic race and another is very blurry. In the end it's all discrimination against each other based on appearance and feelings. What are you going to force everyone to carry a DNA result card all the time?
So to get this straight by his own admission most of his audience aren't racist, and his joke was to annoy all the none racists in his audience. So Dankula an apparent bastian of comedy wrote a "joke" that for most of his audience would not laugh, not smirk at not even do the short breath laugh, but actually get annoyed at.... Now I'm not a professional comedian but I thought the point was to make as many people as possible laugh and of course you'll have haters so tailor comedy that appeals to all/a majority of your fans. But Dankula is saying that he makes jokes only a tiny percentage of his audience will laugh at.... I have to ask is Dankula just this inept at comedy or is he lying to us? I think the answer is yes.
Its almost like your overthhought armchair perspective of comedy isn't the end all & be all of the process, who would've guessed?
@@vinny5638 "Its all memes bro"
Or perhaps you don't get his comedy, do you laugh at every single comedian you watch? Sometimes you say the shit you think is funny and if it bombs, it bombs.
@@osamabinobama4954 so well done at strawmanning my position, is my comment: I didn't laugh so it isn't a joke.... I literally went though how Dankula described it in depth and it shows what he does are barely jokes they don't have punchlines and that is more likely due to him just being a really shit comedian. For example Vaush said more jokes in the debate than Dankula even though Dankula is apparently a professional comedian.
Your reaction here is the punchline and it's actually hilarious.
Freedom of Speech does not guarantee you the right to a platform and audience. Free Speech only protects you from being prosecuted by the government for subversive speech (there are limits of course, the old "yelling fire in a crowded theater" example comes to mind). Privately-owned platforms (Facebook, Twitter, UA-cam, etc) fully reserve the right to moderate your speech within their networks as they see fit. When you create an account on these platforms, you agree to their rules, which are usually laid out in their Terms of Service or Community Guidelines.
that´s the problem I have with it and i agree with count more on this point than with vaush. since we live in what is basically a corporatocracy, the terms and conditions can include whatever orwellian shit our corporate owners want to implement. if you want to take any part in public discourse aside from creating an own 90s style blog site with 2 readers of literally screaming on public plazas, you HAVE TO agree to what ever rules the corporate owner class sets up as their ToS. because 4-5 sites are the only ways to participate in 99.9% of public discourse and that system is severely fucked up. whatever free speech right your country guarantees are close to useless if the bar set for speech GLOBALLY is however low or high a couple billionaires and corporate boards want them to be set.
You're being descriptive of the way corporations are generally set up. Free speech isn't descriptive though, it is a prescriptive principle.
It's perfectly valid for there to be a gap between the way things are, and the way things ort to be.
Is YT a platform or a publisher? If it is a platform it is required to comply with the appropriate laws, same as if it is a publisher. Even mass murdering felons have the right to a mobile phone service. This is very confusing. YT, Instagram, Google, Twitter, Facebook etc exist as virtual monopolies. If they band together to ban you, your online life is destroyed.
The UK doesn't even have 'free speech'. It was granted a right to "freedom of expression" by virtue of EU membership, which is basically a very light-touch version of "free speech" and is subservient to pretty much any other fundamental right.
@@videogamenostalgia The UK was a democracy for a long time during which the whole of Europe (Spain, Germany, Italy etc) was ruled by corrupt princes or dictators. The UK has nothing to heed from the EU. Our Parliament has stood for centuries.
idk why vaush though he was gonna get a serious conversation when Count is literally just a edgelord who just happened to get into politics cause of the nazi pug joke
Yeah, what was he expecting, the only serious stance Dank is willing to take is freedom of speech
@@TerminallyOffline2 same
@@josephcoolest1839 We all supported Dankula in the pug fiasco. What’s your point?
Ironic part is it looks like Vaush knows absolutely nothing about debating politics yet that is his entire job. A professional debate would have shut his shit down in a heart beat. About 5 minutes or so in matter fact.
It's amazing how many words vaush uses to say literally nothing 😂
Unironic username.
Worse yet, he doesn't even understand half the words he uses. He thinks if it confuses him, it'll confuse his audience. And half the time he's right.
Dank-"tweets are just some pixels on a screen" ohh yea and Mein Kampf was just some ink on a page. Trying my best to give Dank the benefit of the doubt but come on...
Heavygusto Who gives a shit what platform it is free speech is free speech. And comparing a tweet to Mein Kampf is one of the most ignorant things I’ve ever heard.
@@Jacketsfan96 You really didn't get what he was saying, did you?
@@CaptainUncreative I actually do he’s saying no matter what the platform both can be harmful. But it’s an idiotic statement nonetheless.
@@Jacketsfan96 nope. He’s saying words in general can promote ideas that can be very dangerous. Regardless of the medium, the ideas behind them are the same. The only difference between the mediums, are their accessibility to the public.
If Hitler was alive in 2020 he would be a SJW on Twitter. He was always the worst humanity ever could be.
I would have embraced his "ask me about my beliefs" line of rhetoric - because while it's true that racists will deny their racism, they generally have a lot of difficulty making affirmative statements AGAINST racism, and pointing out the irrationality of the beliefs. Obviously their response to this is to avoid using the same wording that you have used, and then you can just point out how significant that is lol and do that over and over and over and state that the reason for this is racism, and when they push back against that, ask them over and over for another reason that could fit all the instances, while pointing out that racism fits them perfectly.
Vaush could have also done both. It didn't need to be an either/or situation. He could have engaged with Danks rhetoric and then also used inductive reasoning himself. Would have been better optically, since they now get to pretend Vaush was using sneaky debate tactics.
It's INCREDIBLY EASY to make against racism as a racist. When I was a fuckin NatSoc everyone yaught me HOW TO LIE about it.
The distinction that matters is between the people who accept that "racism" is even a thing and the people who know know well enough to simply live in the world and accept human biodiversity for what it is.
False Feathers that doesn’t make it disingenuous. Whether dankula is racist or not, it’s still true that you can’t know that sort of thing just by asking someone and it’s more reliable to look at their actions. And dankula’s actions are dumb and edgelord-ish enough to seem pretty racist to an outsider
NeoRipshaft no, if someone is genuinely racist they will say so.
"I'm American, you're Scottish, I guess rebelling is in my blood."
Vaush, I love you, but have you ever opened a Scottish history book?
(spoiler alert) they did a loooooot of rebelling against us English. Our national anthem even used to have a line about "crushing rebellious Scots". The last battle ever fought on British soil was the battle of Culloden in 1746, where Bonny Prince Charlie led a group of Jacobite rebels to fight the English army (and was subsequently crushed and had to flee on a boat to the Isle of Skye (which is what the song "Over the Sea to Skye" is about BTW) )
any history teacher would go spare
i think he meant successfully rebelling
I'm pretty sure Vaush said that just to get a rise out of him, if there's one thing Scots are infamous for to the point of it being general knowledge, it's rebellion, mostly because of how popular Braveheart is
@@Nomin130 I mean Scotland literally won their freedom
Am Scottish, can confirm. Don't worry, our (unofficial) national anthem has a line about rebelling against you lot too.
Vaush told me he was such a good debater that he has mass debated hundreds of kids.
Dank's argument about 'Ask me' is silly and useless. Imagine if the FBI had to use that method when investigating suspected criminals - that they were only allowed to directly ask them. Or imagine a court of law where prosecutions are based purely around 'Ask him/her if they're guilty'. Or even in business hiring situations, where you had to rely purely on someone's word for hiring purposes.
Dankula's argument is that the only thing that matters is his words. In some contexts, that might be true, but certainly not in a debate/discussion setting.
This video was about him so obviously he'd say "ask me"
I don't think he has plans to work for the FBI
Your analogy doesn't work because this discussion was entirely about the content of a persons character and beliefs, something that is impossible to deduce empirically. There is no proof. There is at best vague indication. Making absolute statements based on that is disingenuous. Simply asking the man to elaborate on his beliefs is far more useful than making points about his character based on the actions of other individuals.
@@xilon56 That sounds reasonable, but I strongly disagree. I think making points about a person's character based on their actions in comparison to other individuals is generally better than simply asking the person to elaborate on their beliefs, especially if their elaboration doesn't add up (actions speak louder than words, after all). Of course, we ideally want both, which was the entire purpose of this conversation. But if we had to choose just one, I think it's naive to favor a person's word over their broader body of content.
@@xilon56 Did you understand my comment? Because it seems like you didn't, at all. You're literally arguing in support of my point - that you can't deduce someone's beliefs, especially by purely asking them, and so you have to rely on external evidence, reasons, experiences, events, their history and so on, rather than just purely asking them. That's *what anyone does when they want to find out the personality and character traits of a person without having to rely solely on their word* . Again, the hiring manager wants the interviewee to bring a resume for a reason.
Also, you can reasonably tease out someone's character traits by looking at their personal history, actions, etc. That's *how you figure out what characteristics a person has* - through empirical observation. Arguing otherwise would make it impossible to do, for example, biographies. Obviously, you can't prove it in the same way I can construct a first-order logic proof, but you can give enough evidence and reasons to the point where someone arguing contrary would have the burden of proof on their shoulders. By your idea, we wouldn't be able to say anything about what type of person MLK was because he's not around for us to ask. We wouldn't be able to say that Julius Caesar was ambitious.
And "... based on the actions of others." I'm pretty sure this discussion revolved around the actions of Dankula, and it's ignorant to hand wave other people's behaviors in relation to Dankula just because they're other people. That's fallacious, in fact; if I see where some specific car mechanic is consistently getting negative reviews, I'm going to infer that the mechanic might not be the best guy to work on my motorcycle. You might infer otherwise, but I'm not and I'm perfectly reasonable not to.
Jokes aside if i am bieng honest i get the feeling that count dankula isnt really racist just really edgy and likes freedom of edgy jokes
NO SHIT SHERLOCK
Yeah, that's exactly what he is. People like Vaush try to take the most irrelevant people on the internet who just like to make edgy jokes and somehow frame that into an argument that all of society is bigoted and discriminatory. That white supremacy is an actual problem in the most progressive era of human history. No, it's not. As much as you want to change the definition of these words to encompass more individuals, the fact remains that genuine racists and white supremacists are so rare that their existence is inconsequential. There are worse issues in the world to get hung up on than some random neckbeard saying "kids do be good to molest tho".
I also don’t think he’s maliciously racist, he just makes a lot of comments that dog whistle to racists and they seem to *really* like his content and what he says and that’s kinda sus
@claɪre He also hangs out with Communists and Antifa members, so you're also saying that he's communist and a member of Antifa?
Guilt by association?
By the way, comedians usually aren't the one's _doing_ the laughing...
... Just saying
When nobody else laughs, you gotta make the right impression so that they ''get'' it.
Guess you haven't seen danks stand up sessions then.
To be fair, I, for example, am unable to tell jokes properly, because I shit myself out of laughter. I'm a very giggly person and when I think of a gag, it usually makes me laugh...for no external reason, which has to be very alarming to watch, especially after that Joker movie.
So, yeah, can't really fault him for making himself laugh, some people are just like that, I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Eh, depends. For some comedians, laughing involuntarily (or seeming to) is sometimes part of their gig, to push the audience to laughing with them.
The issue with the "it's just a joke" argument is Count Dankula literally has no analysis into his motives nor awareness of how they both come across and have consequences.
"My girlfriend is always ranting and raving about how cute and adorable her wee dog is so I thought I would turn him into the least cute thing I could think of"
@@pixeled9683 "A Naze"
What exactly were/are the consequences?
@@josiahclarke3535 I mean, cultivating an online presence of white supremacists is one, especially considering the right wing terrorism problem the US is facing. These fringe types generally hang out where edgy memes are made.
@@brsinger101 I think most people that are making edgy memes do so because they see the terroristic outlet as being stupid. You also just assume that if someone laughs at a racial joke or an edgy joke that they are a white supremacist.
Also keep in mind that right wing terrorism still has a lot of work to do to catch up to left wing terrorism in America in particular.
Let’s take back the fourteen words,
*We must secure the existence of trans people and a future for mixed race children*
That's 15 words..
"Hail Hormones"
Hell yea. I mean, yea, it's actually 15 words but it's better than the chud version.
Lol how about... a future for “mixed-race” children?
I seriously hope you are not actually being serious about what you said.
I actually bought Dankulas justifications until 21 minutes in, when he justified using the "despite" racist meme about murder statistics to describe his political position as "just doin it to annoy people" I was super uncomfortable.
“As someone who use to be involved in Antifa unless Trump cries them a terrorist group” that’s ironic with recent events
Sorry can you explain?
Well this aged poorly
Pucarto like pic moment.
I’m literally a moron, but I can actually unbox and comprehend the argument about not believing someone solely on what they say they believe about themselves wtf
Yes! Because personal truth doesn't exist right?
Okay but that isn't a debate. Vaush brings something up and when Count responds Vaush is like "your words don't matter." So wtf is the point of him being here.
@@wacksonjittemore4013 Because he feeds white supremacists, houses them, and makes them comfortable. We can't prove he is a white supremacists, but his actions are the same actions a white supremacists would take.
@@TheDJYosh I'm not defending Count Dankula. Idk who he is. Maybe he is a white supremacist
I just thought it was dumb the rules for this conversation are "I'm going to bring up your actions, draw my own conclusions, and if you disagree with me you're lying." Like what is anyone supposed to do in that situation.
@@wacksonjittemore4013 The argument is that his actions are the actions of a white supremacist. It really does not matter if he acts the way he does because he is ignorant, if he pays lip service to his racist fans for profit, or if he is a white supremacist.
He might not be a white supremacists but he does white supremacy. Count Dunkula keeps harping on this point (as are you) because he cannot actually defend why his content is so appealing to the far right.
"Don't point out racist things I've said or done, ask me about my position on specific topics I choose so I can overtly state a non-racist opinion." Because all racists have all possible racist opinions and always state them explicitly? I would conjecture that this guy is a racist based entirely on his attempts to prove that he isn't.
" I would conjecture that this guy is a racist based entirely on his attempts to prove that he isn't." so in other word, you're going to say he's a racist no matter what he says or does? what should he do or say if he's not a racist?
lookatmepleasesir no, that is not what that means at all, and before that sentence, I explained exactly why his specific approach to proving that he is not a racist strongly indicates that he is.
@@WolfJ I will not be surprised to learn that. But apparently, you will be surprised to learn that many of them are not, and that, "he did not give an explicitly racist response to a question he essentially posed to himself, therefore he is not a racist," is not a valid statement by any stretch of the imagination.
What could he do to demonstrate that he isn't a racist?
This is a month-old comment, so obviously the video is not fresh in my mind. I may need to rewatch it. But when someone says, "I believe you are a racist, because you did or said this racist thing," the way to refute that is to explain why that thing is not racist, not to insist that they basically ask you point blank if you are a racist so you can say, "No. Case closed."
@@WolfJ I think that probably depends on how we're qualifying the term 'racist', and can be something of a self-fulfilling claim. That is, if we set the standard for racism at such an extreme as to only include those who overtly and proudly assert racist positions, then naturally, most who qualify as racist would make such statements.
I would contend that there are a very large number of racists (perhaps the majority, but I don't know) who recognize that being overtly racist is socially unacceptable and instead express it in more subtle ways, like "joking" about it. Granted, in cases like those, it is usually impossible to definitively identify racists, and all we can do, as I believe Vaush stated during this debate, is inductively reason and subjectively assess the likelihood that a person is racist, from indicators and patterns in their speech and behavior.
I guess a more comprehensive version of my original remark, would be that trying to set the standard for racism at explicit, specific racist positions, is an indication that one is concerned that one does qualify as a racist, by any lesser standard.
I agree that was a bad defense, and there are racists that will lie about their actual beliefs, but accusing someone of being racist is quite serious and something that shouldn't be done on such an insubstantial thing as their bad at arguing.
COUNT ANECDOTULA
"Ah knew a guy who just said he wis white and forty ANTIFA smashed him in the face before he could finish, man. He wis orderin' coffee and just wantid milk in it, no kiddin'".
Meechan would do well to see his own future in Dapper Laughs.
"Ah new a guy who was black" dankula 2020
Except that wasn't anecdotal it actually happened
Yeah i know right, like a group of Antifa would ever attack someone for no reason? If they were that bad, it would of probably been recorded by now. Oh, wait...
@@DMKA94 Something being anecdotal doesn't imply it's fictional...
Jack Emerson Do, do you not know what an anecdote is?
They look so similar. In another timeline vaush would have a Scottish accent
RamsestheGreat his name was literally irishladdie
Debate drinking game:
- Take a shot every time Count Dankula says, "spicy jokes."
- Chug a beer every time Vaush misuses the word "belie."