Ive always loved aircraft too and earlier airliners are underrated trijets are my favorite but they arent fuel efficient and idk why im replying to a 5month old comment
@@michaelosgood9876 That’s not true. McDonnell-Douglas was developing the MD-95 as an upgrade to their DC-9-30 frame. Boeing bought the company during that time (to Boeing’s own detriment), and while a 707 variant already had the “717” designator within the company, Boeing rebadged the MD-95 as the 717 to brand it with their existing aircraft. That’s why the 717 is still registered as the MD-95 to this day. It’s similar to how the A220 got its name.
@@somewhatabandoned4175 you have to choose: Speed or economy. You cannot do Mach 2 burning the same amount than doing Mach 0,85. Therefore, so far airlines prefer to try making money than repeating the highly prestigious Concorde which was an incredible challenge winning speed but loosing tons of money. Moreover it was also a way of showing the world the technological advance of the British and French aviation industry.
@@somewhatabandoned4175 I said it *looks* really futuristic like straight out of thunderbirds or something and it could cruise at Mach 2 unlike any other aircraft so of course it’s not going to be fuel efficient and it’s the greatest aircraft in history.
@@matsv201 but that’s because it had taken so much time to perfect the aircraft but it looked like something from the future even now because it looks like something you’d see in a futuristic film and it’s the best aircraft in the the world no denying that with the Boeing 747 in a very close second.
@@filthywings353 Specially since the SP actually flies higher, the mach number refers to a lower speed relative to ground. Checking quickly at Wikipedia for a reference, the difference in max speed is literally just 4 km/h, but cruise speed the SP beats it by some more tho, and actually a few more aircraft beat the 990 in cruise speed, including the A380. Checking this stuff tho gave me some impressive numbers on the L-1011-500 tho, freaking 972 km/h at 9100m or 30000 feet. Granted, that's way lower than the other ones compared, but I think that's the fastest cruise speed I've found around listed.
A DC8 was taken supersonic in a power dive, it holds that record for big jet liners, this is an absolute speed record, excluding the two SSTs... Concorde, and Tu144 which cruise much faster. I wonder how fast the SSTs could go in an all out speed dive? (Without breaking or going out of control)
You forget to mention Russian aircraft makers during the cold war such as Tupolev, Ilyushin, Antonov, Yakolev, Sukhoi (this make the Sukhoi Superjet today), and many others. They were Boeing and other western aircraft companies competitor in eastern europe and some communist countries.
@@grahamturner2640 Some of them could and did, TAROM had 707’s, and BAC 1-11’s. CSA had VC/10’s on order. Balkan Bulgarian almost bought the Caravelle. Aeroflot tried to license the 747 and L-1011 multiple times, East Germany tried to build there own jetliner in the 50’s. China had a large fleet of British built aircraft they bought in the 60’s and have been buying many Boeing types in the 70’s to this day. The reason Soviet companies failed in the later years were because they were building aircraft to preform specific roles rather then efficiency when most the world was capitalist. this same focus also killed the British aviation sector, they built for certain airlines whilst Boeing and McDonnell Douglas built a general type for the general market.
We're gonna miss seeing the MD-11F when it's remaining operators stop flying it. It really is a majestic bird. An engine built into the tail... iconic design.
I live near the former assembly building in Long Beach, California, U.S. where all of Douglas-McDonald Douglas at the Long Beach Airport. The only building that remains is the DC-9/B717 with the city designating the neon sign “Fly DC Jets!” as a historical landmark.
Yup, I worked across the street at building 35 on a internship where the new shopping center is. That DC9/717 is occupied by Mercedes Benz and Virgin Galactic. Word around the campfire is that Mercedes wanted to remove the neon sign but it didn't happen and now is protected and shines bright every night....😁
The A320, as of December 2019, is the best selling commercial airliner. Selling 400 more aircrafts then Boeing. That number coming from the Paris Air show.
@@Luckyamor no. Bombardier is still bombardier. Airbus didn't purchase bombardier, they just bought a 50% share in the c series program, not the whole company.
Well it's easy to be most delivered when the 737 airframe been in full production since early 70's with hardly any change to the airframe design to this day.
The reason why Boeing went winning until recently is pretty simple. They was first out with the type of aircraft that become the future every single time... well.. almost. First "real" jet airliner the comet really a quite decent attempt at a first airliner. But it had several drawbacks. Short range, small capacity, high maintenance, and some safety issues. Boeing took note. Moved the engine into pods, made a traditional wet wing and made a really sturdy fuselage. One of the reason Boeing even could do that was that they had access to higher power engine due to military development. While comet have a pitifull 22kN 707 had 60kN engines. Of cause, yes, by the time the 707 was introduced the Comet was up to 44kN engines. Of cause, DC8 was right on the heals with a similar and also very good aircraft. After 1958 there was quite a few 4 engines podded narrow body 6 wide aircraft around. The next very important airplane was the under wing 2 engines narrow body aircraft. Was Boeing first with a Regional/short range airliner? No but all the other had doe it with a rear mounted engine, Boeing did it with a under wing. that would prove to be important later. 707 was not the first 2 crew major airliner, but very early. Why is under wing engines important, because fuel economy. Of cause, in 1960 this was not a high priority, but it very much become later. Also 737 is still 6 wide, that was very rare in this category. Also prove to be important later. Next type or aircraft that would prove to be important is the 4 engine long range wide-bodies. Boeing, Lockheed and Douglas all had one each on there drawing board. But Lockheed won the C5 project and pushed a head with there L1011 3 engine, and Douglas did also go with the 3 engine concept despite loosing the bid. Boeing that was very sure that they would win never made a backup plane. So they simply modified there heavy lifter bid to a civilian airliner and push forward very quickly. (they already build part prior to the bid being finished). Hence there aircraft was finished first. So why did the 747 win. Yes it was first, but that was not the only reason. Range, and also economy. And the two things is really just different side of the same coin. There is two reason 747 outrange the other two. Scale of economy, and, not having a tail engine. Its not Airbus come with there first slam dunk. The A300. First wide body two engine aircraft. This was right on the heels of the 747... And around the same time the 737 Classic upgrade was made. Why are all those aircraft coming at the same time. Well high bypass engines, that why. This happened at the exact same time as the oil-crissis stared. Fuel economy was really just useful for range prior, jet fuel being very very cheap. To almost triple in price, and 4 years later again triple in price. DC10 did fairly well at first, but suffered both due to the oil-crisis and some very unfortunate accidents with full losses due to a design flaw. Also with even shorter range did have even greater problem to sell. Left standing was the suprice success A300. While DC10 did outsell the A300 during the 70s, during the 80s it very much switched side. What happened. Well a slight engine upgrade, a but more fuel, and the range was drastically increased. Now A300, or even more so A310 outraged the DC10, Yes, it was still a smaller airliner, but way more economical. On top of that, Airbus being very fast with a two man cockpit. Not only decreasing nr of pilots, but also increasing capacity. The last very important aircraft was the 777. While about the size of the DC10 and L1011 (slightly larger, but not importantly so). What was the 777 true revolution was the very long range with only two engines. This made every earlier 3 or 4 engines aircraft obsolete for all but the very highest demand routes. yes, that would include the 747. In the future there might be one more important aircraft. The A320. Because it fixed that what 737 did wrong.... or rather, got outdated on. The low to ground airframe.
@@zionismisterrorism8716 there was actually plenty of aircrafts around. The 880 was poorly optimized. Just like the comet it had 4 engines but 5 seat arangment and short range. Also the caravel was launched just a few years earlier. So it come to a full market with poor performance.
Isn't the 747 going away too with in 2022 with the newest air force one orders/remodeled planes and left over orders that haven't been cancelled or modified? I don't believe there's any 747-100 still flying around from 1968.
@@jefferypardue7509 I would guess that they meant the design still continues, while Airbus A380 is discontinuing manufacturing in a couple years. But yeah, as far as I know, there are no Boeing 747-100. There might be some Boeing 747-200 used by military somewhere, but the oldest I know of is Air Force One which was built in 1986.
@@davemiller6055 It's easy to say that when the 737 has been around for two more decades than the a320. And Airbus has built 10,110 a320s, just 700 less than Boeing 737s, despite being two decades late.
6:50 Lockheed had exactly ONE commercial product after the 1950s - the L-1011 - and reverted back to it's military roots after the marketing failure of that aircraft (caused largely by changes in ETOPS regulations allowing efficient twins to compete with it starting a few years after it started selling, killing most of it's best niche market). Same thing happened to MD with the DC-10/11/MD11. More about "bad timing" than any serious failures of the aircraft, thought the major crashes the DC-10 line had didn't help it.
Boeing and Airbus have made a big strides in commercial Aviation industry and to me they have won in that market and so to my views it will take time for other companies to reach them.
There are many other aircraft that have been made and flown which have designs, performances, and technologies every bit as good as the two leaders, BUT Boeing and Airbus are the absolute Masters of Marketing and Sales... 🏆
Russian civilian aircraft manufacturing has a storied history reaching back decades. They had some really successful aircrafts too. Why was nothing mentioned about this?
Yeah, if the Comet had not had that metal fatigue issue, de Havilland would have had a fair chance of becoming the defining manufacturer of the early jet age, instead of Boeing taking the lead.
Na, the 707 was a superior design in every way. Cheaper to build, far easier to maintain, longer range, more capacity. The only thing the Comet had going for it was a small lead in speed and more advanced engines, but it was not long before Pratt & Whitney caught up with Rolls Royce.
You ignored the huge lead the Comet had over the 707, first flight 1949 vs 1957. With Boeing being much later and able to learn from the experiences with the Comet, it would've been a major letdown if the 707 only managed to be a small improvement. If de Havilland had seen the Comet being a success, they'd have gone on to improve on the design, instead of a long painful investigation and destroyed reputation.
There is a critical issue about the Chinese C919. They are using the CFM LEAP as its engines, which is from the US. However, due to current Sino-American relationship. The US government may ban its export anytime. Then the new aircraft can be have no engines anytime.
Excluding the collapse of the CCP I would say China is most likely to threaten the market. The reason I say this is not because they have a better plane or anything it’s simply location and ownership. 1) China basically owns the Chinese aircraft manufacturer. 2) China basically owns all major Chinese airlines. 3) it is forecasted that by 2028 China will be the worlds largest aviation market. Putting all this together I would assume that China, excluding an exceptionally poor product, would stay in house when it comes to aircraft and thus lead to a major market being taken over by itself. This will be a major loss for both Boeing and Airbus and in itself lead to a large portion of the market being taken up by Chinese aircraft. Not to mention I would assume it would be another product in their belt and road initiative. I can see many developing countries, who are accepting Chinese help with infrastructure needs, well also turn to China to advance their aviation needs. China will probably offer rates that Boeing and airbus cannot meet but will then manipulate those rates to trap the purchasing company.
Most countries pick in house products especially aircrafts unless the foreign option is considerably better; it is not a Chinese only trait. Think how long it took Airbus to get American airlines to finally order Airbus even though A300, A320, and A330 are way better than Boeing's competition in the same class
You know for sure that Chinese are master to copy good foreign products. It will probably be the same for planes. You purchase Boeing or Airbus products you dismantles them copy all the parts and put a new name on it. Then your engineers are able to improve the design and produce a better product. As an example: railroad. They bought Japanese and French high speed trains and now they are running the best railroad network of the world. What’s the solution ? Probably, keeping RD in major sectors to still have advance on competitors.
@@alainmare8081 Everyone copies. Why do you think American spent so much resources stealing German and Soviet technology during WW2/Cold War and then grab as many scientists as possible after the war?
The Chinese are working it out, I think they should become somewhat successful, and they should work on electric and alternative fueled aircraft, in the future they can get a massive chunk of the aviation sector if they do.
I think there should be more localised manufacturers but too many manufacturers mean to many planes to chose from. For example for the short haul market there's the 737, A320, E-jet, A220, Comac 919 and the IR-21.
L-1011 came too late, they ended up having to bribe airlines to buy the type even those it’s superior then the DC-10. The Russians did try to but the L-1011 at one point and nearly got 100 built by Lockheed and many more via a licensing contract but the govemrnet refused to let Lockheed sell the type to them. One thing that helped Lockheed was the Rolls Royce engines did ensure some Commonwealth Customers like Air Canada, British Airways, Cathay Pacific and for a brief while Air Jamaica, Qantas considered it but decided to go for the 747SP due to take off performance being superior and longer range. The Rolls Royce engines were however a curse, because they’re development was delayed too long and Rolls Royce’s under delivered with the engines
A SINGLE cargo plane that was built to haul around the Soviet Space Shuttle (named Buran) that was 2/3rds the size of the US Space Shuttle - which was hauled around on a Boeing 747. In short, the Soviets had to take their biggest cargo plane, stretch the wings, add 2 more engines, whereas NASA essentially bought off the rack. Please.
Nah. Airbus and Boeing started producing commercial aircraft earlier and they have a lot of planes. Comac and Irkut only have 1 commercial aircraft each. The C929 will probably have majority of orders from Chinese airlines I guess.
Both COMAC and United Aircraft Corporation (the consolidated Russian aircraft manufacturers) will struggle to get beyond their own borders due to the lack of support infrastructure and sanctions. Boeing should consider acquiring Antonov to get the AN158 as a 717 replacement to take on the A220-100 and to get the AN178 as a C27J competitor for its military division. Antonov could be used to manufacture a C17 NEO and to do freighter conversion work. The Antonov designs are good but lack ongoing support that Boeing could provide.
I think Russia and China might be able to compete since they might have alot of local clients or clients in the middle east, who might be able to work out some deal with them
Personally, I would love to see Russia compete more in the large aircraft market to challange the US and EU, it could only be a good thing to have more competition forcing down costs and improving innovation and efficiency, just look at the 787 and A350. It would also be really interesting to see what Lockheed would come up with these days
Actually no, Boeing themselves thought that Airbus would make 20-30 aircraft and then go extinct as several government backed programs (such as Concorde) had done in the past.
Smoking during flight was still allowed in Europe around 2004, at least on some seats. There's still an ashtray in the toilet, but this is not because it would be allowed to smoke there, but to avoid people using the wastepaper basket for the cigarette and setting it on fire
It's the MS21, not the MC21. The Russian "C" is like our "S." Example: "CCCP" in Russian means "SSSR" in the Latin alphabet. (the "P" is like the Greek letter "rho" which is an "R" in the Latin alphabet)
The Strategic Alliance between Russia and China in the development of the CR 929 provides a Better Chance for them to Produce a Wide Body Jet for the International Market. Furthermore both China and Russia have a Large Domestic Market for the CR929. I envisage that any time between 2030 and 2050 the CR 929 will be able to compete in the Global Market.
I personally think that Russia will do better than China because China doesn't have a great bond with many countries so it will be hard them to get there aircraft certified were as Russia also having this problem they have a greater change due to them not facing many hiccups in the process of getting there aircraft certified let me know what you think.
Maybe in the international stage, but the fact that most airlines in China are owned by the government and the aircraft creator is owned by the government. And China is expected to be the largest growing region for aircraft demands in the coming years. I think the Chinese company will do better simply because Chinese airlines will by the plane.
@@natf6747 I think so too but if big countries like America don't certify it they won't make much money on does jets unless if they fly them on regional routes that's where the Russian aircraft can step in
I think Russia has more to win out of the deal in the short term, but China is probably targeting much more regional/national stuff anyway just to get started. I mean look at China's auto industry, they started by just straight up ripping off western automakers that in an hilarious, cookie-cutter fashion before delving into more original designs. I think you're right that China doesn't have great bonds, but just a few years ago I noticed a Chinese automaker discretely pop up in California after a number of years getting established in the manner they did. Doing the same here it seems. Copy/paste all day and nobody can really do much about it, and now Russia is getting in on that action.
@@kzero1499 I wouldn't say no one can do anything about it. Based on what I have heard this year has severely screwed China over. I have even heard that the CCPs beloved 3 gorges damn may potentially bust due to the heavy rains they have gotten. You can even watch a simulation of what would happen if it did. Also, they are in a very tight spot food-wise. Then on top of that, they are getting heavily sanctioned from all around the world for their humanitarian issues. And on top of that, they have made a claim on Russian owned province to their northeast and there is potentially a big feud there. But also, due to them stealing intellectual property many countries are sanctioning them. So something is happening about it.
I was going to make a comment refuting the nonsense you guys spewed one by one then I realized a few of you are Indian. Nevermind, continue to think China is on the verge of collapsing/is collapsing.
Airbus is headquartered in Leiden, which is in the province of South Holland. In any case, it's a minor error and very common misconception, hardly something that would make the rest of the video "unbelievable". Stop being hyperbolic.
I just really miss tri jets, love seening MD-10 and MD-11s on cargo routes tho
I saw a 727 this week
I work for ups in san Bernardino international and we get md-11 s basically daily
@@TheJacobbridges25 Lucky you.
I like the L1011. Flew that to Hawaii back in the 80s. Hawaiian Airline. Quiet, stable very roomy aircraft.
we still have the Dassault Falcon tho
I've been completely enthralled by planes my entire life, and literally today just found out the Boeing 717 was a thing.
Ive always loved aircraft too and earlier airliners are underrated trijets are my favorite but they arent fuel efficient and idk why im replying to a 5month old comment
@@Willon trijets are just sweet
It's a DC9! Every day! 717 is something Boeing dreamed up to claim it as theirs
@@michaelosgood9876 That’s not true.
McDonnell-Douglas was developing the MD-95 as an upgrade to their DC-9-30 frame. Boeing bought the company during that time (to Boeing’s own detriment), and while a 707 variant already had the “717” designator within the company, Boeing rebadged the MD-95 as the 717 to brand it with their existing aircraft. That’s why the 717 is still registered as the MD-95 to this day.
It’s similar to how the A220 got its name.
@@Willon Hey, hope all is well!!!
Concorde still looks really futuristic even though it was designed in 1963
I dissagree. It was way to old even att launch
I disagree cause it wasted fuel and not fuel efficient for example the a330,777,787,a320 and the 737 has been successful than Concorde
@@somewhatabandoned4175 you have to choose:
Speed or economy. You cannot do Mach 2 burning the same amount than doing Mach 0,85. Therefore, so far airlines prefer to try making money than repeating the highly prestigious Concorde which was an incredible challenge winning speed but loosing tons of money. Moreover it was also a way of showing the world the technological advance of the British and French aviation industry.
@@somewhatabandoned4175 I said it *looks* really futuristic like straight out of thunderbirds or something and it could cruise at Mach 2 unlike any other aircraft so of course it’s not going to be fuel efficient and it’s the greatest aircraft in history.
@@matsv201 but that’s because it had taken so much time to perfect the aircraft but it looked like something from the future even now because it looks like something you’d see in a futuristic film and it’s the best aircraft in the the world no denying that with the Boeing 747 in a very close second.
I would add convair to this list. Still the 990A is fastest subsonic airliner to this day.
The Trident and 747SP cruised at 0.88 Mach yet the 990 only had a 0.87 speed limit.
@@filthywings353 Specially since the SP actually flies higher, the mach number refers to a lower speed relative to ground. Checking quickly at Wikipedia for a reference, the difference in max speed is literally just 4 km/h, but cruise speed the SP beats it by some more tho, and actually a few more aircraft beat the 990 in cruise speed, including the A380.
Checking this stuff tho gave me some impressive numbers on the L-1011-500 tho, freaking 972 km/h at 9100m or 30000 feet. Granted, that's way lower than the other ones compared, but I think that's the fastest cruise speed I've found around listed.
The 707, Hawker Siddley Trident and the Tupolev Tu-154 are pretty fast as well
@Charles Calvin and Henry it seems you forgot the original comment by Borisek was about subsonic in specific.
A DC8 was taken supersonic in a power dive, it holds that record for big jet liners, this is an absolute speed record, excluding the two SSTs... Concorde, and Tu144 which cruise much faster. I wonder how fast the SSTs could go in an all out speed dive? (Without breaking or going out of control)
You forget to mention Russian aircraft makers during the cold war such as Tupolev, Ilyushin, Antonov, Yakolev, Sukhoi (this make the Sukhoi Superjet today), and many others. They were Boeing and other western aircraft companies competitor in eastern europe and some communist countries.
During the Cold War, those countries couldn’t buy from the West.
@@grahamturner2640 really? Air China (Mainland China/PRC airline) bought and used boeing B767 since 1985 during the cold war.
@@petitcroquette7831 as well as a few 707s, 717s, 727, older 737s, 747s, 757s, and older 777s
@@grahamturner2640 Some of them could and did, TAROM had 707’s, and BAC 1-11’s. CSA had VC/10’s on order. Balkan Bulgarian almost bought the Caravelle. Aeroflot tried to license the 747 and L-1011 multiple times, East Germany tried to build there own jetliner in the 50’s. China had a large fleet of British built aircraft they bought in the 60’s and have been buying many Boeing types in the 70’s to this day. The reason Soviet companies failed in the later years were because they were building aircraft to preform specific roles rather then efficiency when most the world was capitalist. this same focus also killed the British aviation sector, they built for certain airlines whilst Boeing and McDonnell Douglas built a general type for the general market.
Not many people know this because they are kinda underrated and not popular. While Boeing and Airbus is famous.
We're gonna miss seeing the MD-11F when it's remaining operators stop flying it. It really is a majestic bird. An engine built into the tail... iconic design.
I live near the former assembly building in Long Beach, California, U.S. where all of Douglas-McDonald Douglas at the Long Beach Airport. The only building that remains is the DC-9/B717 with the city designating the neon sign “Fly DC Jets!” as a historical landmark.
Yup, I worked across the street at building 35 on a internship where the new shopping center is. That DC9/717 is occupied by Mercedes Benz and Virgin Galactic. Word around the campfire is that Mercedes wanted to remove the neon sign but it didn't happen and now is protected and shines bright every night....😁
I think that could have been a museum for all the DC/MD’s planes.
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The A320, as of December 2019, is the best selling commercial airliner. Selling 400 more aircrafts then Boeing. That number coming from the Paris Air show.
This is true
I think the video meant cumulative sales throughout the whole program's life.
Yes, it has passed it in cumulative sales, but not yet cumulative deliveries. It is 20 years younger, but the neo has sold much better than the max
when you forget bombardier is a company
*we’ve been tricked, we’ve been backstabbed, and we’ve even been bamboozled*
Now it's Airbus 😊
@@Luckyamor no. Bombardier is still bombardier. Airbus didn't purchase bombardier, they just bought a 50% share in the c series program, not the whole company.
@@imblack011
Bombardier has polled out of civil aviation though
Embraer is larger than bombardier
2:41
Actually the 737 is the most *delivered* passenger plane. The best *selling* passenger plane is the A320.
i wouldn't use orders to determine best selling aircraft, as companies might cancel order (which i will admit is rare but still a possibility)
@@imblack011
They did specifically say “best SELLING” though
@@imblack011 For example all the orders cancelled for the concord and A380
Well it's easy to be most delivered when the 737 airframe been in full production since early 70's with hardly any change to the airframe design to this day.
@@AshrakAhmed , yet in its current iteration it competes with Airbus’s latest offerings in the same category.
The reason why Boeing went winning until recently is pretty simple. They was first out with the type of aircraft that become the future every single time... well.. almost.
First "real" jet airliner the comet really a quite decent attempt at a first airliner. But it had several drawbacks. Short range, small capacity, high maintenance, and some safety issues.
Boeing took note. Moved the engine into pods, made a traditional wet wing and made a really sturdy fuselage. One of the reason Boeing even could do that was that they had access to higher power engine due to military development. While comet have a pitifull 22kN 707 had 60kN engines. Of cause, yes, by the time the 707 was introduced the Comet was up to 44kN engines.
Of cause, DC8 was right on the heals with a similar and also very good aircraft. After 1958 there was quite a few 4 engines podded narrow body 6 wide aircraft around.
The next very important airplane was the under wing 2 engines narrow body aircraft. Was Boeing first with a Regional/short range airliner? No but all the other had doe it with a rear mounted engine, Boeing did it with a under wing. that would prove to be important later. 707 was not the first 2 crew major airliner, but very early.
Why is under wing engines important, because fuel economy. Of cause, in 1960 this was not a high priority, but it very much become later. Also 737 is still 6 wide, that was very rare in this category. Also prove to be important later.
Next type or aircraft that would prove to be important is the 4 engine long range wide-bodies. Boeing, Lockheed and Douglas all had one each on there drawing board. But Lockheed won the C5 project and pushed a head with there L1011 3 engine, and Douglas did also go with the 3 engine concept despite loosing the bid. Boeing that was very sure that they would win never made a backup plane. So they simply modified there heavy lifter bid to a civilian airliner and push forward very quickly. (they already build part prior to the bid being finished). Hence there aircraft was finished first.
So why did the 747 win. Yes it was first, but that was not the only reason. Range, and also economy. And the two things is really just different side of the same coin. There is two reason 747 outrange the other two. Scale of economy, and, not having a tail engine.
Its not Airbus come with there first slam dunk. The A300. First wide body two engine aircraft. This was right on the heels of the 747... And around the same time the 737 Classic upgrade was made. Why are all those aircraft coming at the same time. Well high bypass engines, that why.
This happened at the exact same time as the oil-crissis stared. Fuel economy was really just useful for range prior, jet fuel being very very cheap. To almost triple in price, and 4 years later again triple in price. DC10 did fairly well at first, but suffered both due to the oil-crisis and some very unfortunate accidents with full losses due to a design flaw. Also with even shorter range did have even greater problem to sell.
Left standing was the suprice success A300. While DC10 did outsell the A300 during the 70s, during the 80s it very much switched side. What happened. Well a slight engine upgrade, a but more fuel, and the range was drastically increased. Now A300, or even more so A310 outraged the DC10, Yes, it was still a smaller airliner, but way more economical. On top of that, Airbus being very fast with a two man cockpit. Not only decreasing nr of pilots, but also increasing capacity.
The last very important aircraft was the 777. While about the size of the DC10 and L1011 (slightly larger, but not importantly so). What was the 777 true revolution was the very long range with only two engines. This made every earlier 3 or 4 engines aircraft obsolete for all but the very highest demand routes. yes, that would include the 747.
In the future there might be one more important aircraft. The A320. Because it fixed that what 737 did wrong.... or rather, got outdated on. The low to ground airframe.
Wierd that no one ever mentions the Convair 880 and 990.
@@zionismisterrorism8716 there was actually plenty of aircrafts around. The 880 was poorly optimized. Just like the comet it had 4 engines but 5 seat arangment and short range. Also the caravel was launched just a few years earlier.
So it come to a full market with poor performance.
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747 - flying since the 70s: still flying
A380 - started flying in 2007: going extinct
Isn't the 747 going away too with in 2022 with the newest air force one orders/remodeled planes and left over orders that haven't been cancelled or modified? I don't believe there's any 747-100 still flying around from 1968.
The 747 is going extinct about as much as the A380 is. But yeah, it's amazing to think about how long the 737 and 747 have been around.
@@kaciedelgado3646 no it's not. The 747 will live on forever as a freighter and the A380 won't. If anything, the A380 will be as extinct as the 747.
@@sulil1938 As a freighter sure. Not as a passenger aircraft. This video is really only about the passenger/commercial side of things, not freight.
@@jefferypardue7509 I would guess that they meant the design still continues, while Airbus A380 is discontinuing manufacturing in a couple years.
But yeah, as far as I know, there are no Boeing 747-100. There might be some Boeing 747-200 used by military somewhere, but the oldest I know of is Air Force One which was built in 1986.
The L1011 was the best - sad it is no longer with us
But Lockheed survived the L1011’s fall, and that’s a huge relief
@@giraudy221 they are making military aircraft
@@giraudy221 Lockheed survived, but their civilian airliner branch died.
Definitely agree. Lockheeds L-1011 was a Magnificent Aircraft.
So impressed that I subscribed this channel. Good on you guy's
The A320 overtook the 737 early this year
Because the NEO has no competitor at the moment. The MAX is still grounded, but once it gets flying again, I'm sure the sales will even out.
@@hueyrosayaga no
Far more 737s have been delivered than A320s. Even with cancellations, the 737 Max backorder will eclipse the A320 again.
@@davemiller6055 It's easy to say that when the 737 has been around for two more decades than the a320. And Airbus has built 10,110 a320s, just 700 less than Boeing 737s, despite being two decades late.
@@hueyrosayaga MAX represents a betrayal of airlines by Boeing. I'm not sure that airlines will ever trust Boeing as much as they did before.
i will never seat myself in a Chinese or Russian plane. Would be suicidal.
yes
Yes because they copied the outer design but don’t know the technology of the planes
Well, go on 737 MAX then...
@Nate Auch same bro
Well, if they perform as well as their submarines, and aircraft carriers, what's the problem ?
6:50
Lockheed had exactly ONE commercial product after the 1950s - the L-1011 - and reverted back to it's military roots after the marketing failure of that aircraft (caused largely by changes in ETOPS regulations allowing efficient twins to compete with it starting a few years after it started selling, killing most of it's best niche market).
Same thing happened to MD with the DC-10/11/MD11.
More about "bad timing" than any serious failures of the aircraft, thought the major crashes the DC-10 line had didn't help it.
Boeing and Airbus have made a big strides in commercial Aviation industry and to me they have won in that market and so to my views it will take time for other companies to reach them.
My dream is to become a pilot but I'm broke as hell 😂
Ride in me
If you are american, you can join the airforce and get your flying license that way
@@alanjensen8243 but I'm not so rip my dreams 😂🙏
@@unboxivity if ur in Europe lufthansa give u free training but they take money off your salary when you become a pilot until you pay off the bill
@@aviation7479 you have any social media to talk?
I like Embraer's motto
My favorite is both but my fav from Airbus is : A380 and A350 for Boeing is : 787 and 777
Best video I have ever seen in this channel. Like it so much. Explained very well. 😀😀😀
Lockheed L-1011 was a great airplane, updated and modernized it would still be in service today.
might have mentioned the Convair 880 and 990...
I wish Lockheed was still interested!
The title is clickbait. The video never explains why Boeing and Airbus won the race.
How to make an Airbus:
Step 1: get a bus
Step 2: add wings
Congrats! You created an actual airbus 😂
I've seen the BAE aircraft at Manchester Aviation Park in the green and white livery. It has a red cabin and a beautiful cockpit
Great Video! Where's Tupolev and Ilyushin though.
There not competition😂
@@ethansaviation2672 Were competition before the 70’s, Piedmont Airlines attempted to purchase the Yak 40 once.
@@abandonedchannel281 im talking about the mid sized and wide body aircrafts say anything about smaller jets
I miss seeing the lineup of brand new DC-10s down in Long Beach. 😓
I watching this Video right now Awesome Video!!!!!!
The brains in Spain worked mainly on the tail plane
There are many other aircraft that have been made and flown which have designs, performances, and technologies every bit as good as the two leaders, BUT Boeing and Airbus are the absolute Masters of Marketing and Sales... 🏆
If you consider all variants of the DC 3 more than 16,000 were manufactured.
Russian civilian aircraft manufacturing has a storied history reaching back decades. They had some really successful aircrafts too. Why was nothing mentioned about this?
Because the aircraft were unsafe and nobody bought them !
Now that was a good video. Thanks for mentioning the totals of the DC-3 -- I feel vindicated.
Yeah, if the Comet had not had that metal fatigue issue, de Havilland would have had a fair chance of becoming the defining manufacturer of the early jet age, instead of Boeing taking the lead.
Na, the 707 was a superior design in every way. Cheaper to build, far easier to maintain, longer range, more capacity. The only thing the Comet had going for it was a small lead in speed and more advanced engines, but it was not long before Pratt & Whitney caught up with Rolls Royce.
You ignored the huge lead the Comet had over the 707, first flight 1949 vs 1957. With Boeing being much later and able to learn from the experiences with the Comet, it would've been a major letdown if the 707 only managed to be a small improvement. If de Havilland had seen the Comet being a success, they'd have gone on to improve on the design, instead of a long painful investigation and destroyed reputation.
There is a critical issue about the Chinese C919. They are using the CFM LEAP as its engines, which is from the US. However, due to current Sino-American relationship. The US government may ban its export anytime. Then the new aircraft can be have no engines anytime.
A220 & A321neo/LR/XLR and 787 & A350 would still dominate the future sky
Agree, although I think the Chinese and Russians have a possibility of entering the market.
Well, China could easily make their airlines go with a domestically built aircraft generating a lot of sales. It fits their economic playbook well.
some day I want to own a Cessna172 and fly the beautiful skies....
How far we've come
Cool video👍👍👍
Anyone else perplexed by the BAe in the thumbnail?
AWESOME VIDEO I LOVED IT
CONGRATS ON 21K
THANKS FOR TELLING
How about SAAB?
Excluding the collapse of the CCP I would say China is most likely to threaten the market. The reason I say this is not because they have a better plane or anything it’s simply location and ownership.
1) China basically owns the Chinese aircraft manufacturer.
2) China basically owns all major Chinese airlines.
3) it is forecasted that by 2028 China will be the worlds largest aviation market.
Putting all this together I would assume that China, excluding an exceptionally poor product, would stay in house when it comes to aircraft and thus lead to a major market being taken over by itself. This will be a major loss for both Boeing and Airbus and in itself lead to a large portion of the market being taken up by Chinese aircraft. Not to mention I would assume it would be another product in their belt and road initiative. I can see many developing countries, who are accepting Chinese help with infrastructure needs, well also turn to China to advance their aviation needs. China will probably offer rates that Boeing and airbus cannot meet but will then manipulate those rates to trap the purchasing company.
Most countries pick in house products especially aircrafts unless the foreign option is considerably better; it is not a Chinese only trait. Think how long it took Airbus to get American airlines to finally order Airbus even though A300, A320, and A330 are way better than Boeing's competition in the same class
China doesn't own all of the airlines, Hainan airlines is privately owned
You know for sure that Chinese are master to copy good foreign products. It will probably be the same for planes. You purchase Boeing or Airbus products you dismantles them copy all the parts and put a new name on it. Then your engineers are able to improve the design and produce a better product. As an example: railroad. They bought Japanese and French high speed trains and now they are running the best railroad network of the world. What’s the solution ? Probably, keeping RD in major sectors to still have advance on competitors.
@@alainmare8081 Everyone copies. Why do you think American spent so much resources stealing German and Soviet technology during WW2/Cold War and then grab as many scientists as possible after the war?
The Chinese are working it out, I think they should become somewhat successful, and they should work on electric and alternative fueled aircraft, in the future they can get a massive chunk of the aviation sector if they do.
Last time I checked Avros weren't large planes.
McDonnell Douglas merging with Boeing created a missed opportunity for the latter.
One day I will try to be a pilot and fly one of the companies aircraft
It's aircraft not aircrafts
@@Auri713Real sorry I miss type
@@tomgoldrunbyabhinav9978 Thank you I will try my best
I will be pilot and destroy India and save Pakistan
@@erikjohansson2703 GRAPE
i miss flying on the a300-600R it was really comfortable
Very very interessting
Aviation is the love of my life. I still love my gf but i really love planes
Is it just me or does the CR929 look familiar...
I think there should be more localised manufacturers but too many manufacturers mean to many planes to chose from. For example for the short haul market there's the 737, A320, E-jet, A220, Comac 919 and the IR-21.
Boeing 737-800: *exist*
Ryanair: is for me? 👉👈🥴
CASA joined Airbus at the beginning, owning 4,2 % of the consortium.
The Locked L1011 TriStar Was too advanced for its time. No wonder it never become successful.
It would have maybe now
@@Lee247Jamaica well not with 3 engines of course, but I do wonder what Lockheed would make if they didn't quit the civil market after the L-1011.
@@Kalvinjj maybe a 2 engine would make it apealing
@Francis true
L-1011 came too late, they ended up having to bribe airlines to buy the type even those it’s superior then the DC-10. The Russians did try to but the L-1011 at one point and nearly got 100 built by Lockheed and many more via a licensing contract but the govemrnet refused to let Lockheed sell the type to them. One thing that helped Lockheed was the Rolls Royce engines did ensure some Commonwealth Customers like Air Canada, British Airways, Cathay Pacific and for a brief while Air Jamaica, Qantas considered it but decided to go for the 747SP due to take off performance being superior and longer range.
The Rolls Royce engines were however a curse, because they’re development was delayed too long and Rolls Royce’s under delivered with the engines
I like airplane
How can I become an aircraft manufaturar? Please make a video about this.
Also the DC-9 and the A310.
Antonov 225:allow me. To reintroduce. Myself.
A SINGLE cargo plane that was built to haul around the Soviet Space Shuttle (named Buran) that was 2/3rds the size of the US Space Shuttle - which was hauled around on a Boeing 747. In short, the Soviets had to take their biggest cargo plane, stretch the wings, add 2 more engines, whereas NASA essentially bought off the rack. Please.
717 and a310 are the last planes ive learned from Boeing and Airbus
717: Infinite Flight
a310: just searched it up
A300?
Nah. Airbus and Boeing started producing commercial aircraft earlier and they have a lot of planes. Comac and Irkut only have 1 commercial aircraft each. The C929 will probably have majority of orders from Chinese airlines I guess.
It’s a copy of A350 and 787 without the efficiency (thus lower range) nor support network offered
Both COMAC and United Aircraft Corporation (the consolidated Russian aircraft manufacturers) will struggle to get beyond their own borders due to the lack of support infrastructure and sanctions. Boeing should consider acquiring Antonov to get the AN158 as a 717 replacement to take on the A220-100 and to get the AN178 as a C27J competitor for its military division. Antonov could be used to manufacture a C17 NEO and to do freighter conversion work. The Antonov designs are good but lack ongoing support that Boeing could provide.
@@filledwithvariousknowledge1065 Agreed 100%
@@grahambaker6664 Yes
I think Russia and China might be able to compete since they might have alot of local clients or clients in the middle east, who might be able to work out some deal with them
i really Missed Fokker
No body has a monopoly on good ideas, better designs or higher efficiency.
Personally, I would love to see Russia compete more in the large aircraft market to challange the US and EU, it could only be a good thing to have more competition forcing down costs and improving innovation and efficiency, just look at the 787 and A350. It would also be really interesting to see what Lockheed would come up with these days
I love Boeing 747
❤️❤️❤️🤩🤩
Same
I would like to see the L1011 more often than the failed DC10.
Weren't both commercial failures?
@@kamallb4650 DC10 had more failures than the 1011.
There also was the French Sud Aviation twin jet Caravelle
China making airplanes scares me
China making anything scares me
Russia & China v Airbus & Boeing? Not a prayer!!
A320 vs md-11 vs b737 vs emb175 vs crj1000
10:29 -> WEA
Airbus, an association of many powerful European countries ; it was quite obvious that it was "Boeing" to be in the top spots😂.
Actually no, Boeing themselves thought that Airbus would make 20-30 aircraft and then go extinct as several government backed programs (such as Concorde) had done in the past.
Due to monopoly and duopoly.
Boeing 777 -9X is the World 🌎 largest Twin Engines Aircraft.
No mention of Sukhoi Superjet 100 * giggle
Find it ironic that smoking has been banned from planes since the 1980s, yet within the last year I've flown a plane that had ashtrays in the armrest.
Smoking during flight was still allowed in Europe around 2004, at least on some seats.
There's still an ashtray in the toilet, but this is not because it would be allowed to smoke there, but to avoid people using the wastepaper basket for the cigarette and setting it on fire
What about comac? They're getting stronger right now aren't they.
Aside from some Chinese carriers, nobody is going to trust that Comac made an aircraft safe enough to fly on.
The dc-3 is on service in 2020
the A350 in the thumbnail doesn’t have the black thing around the front windows, looks weird
I think Airbus won the Race as More Orders of Aircraft of its popular Fuel Efficient Airbus A350XWB-900/1000 and Smaller A220 regional Airliner.
you didn't have any information about Soviet passenger jets. Is it Illyushin?
That new Russia-China Widebody looks awfully familiar...
It's the MS21, not the MC21. The Russian "C" is like our "S." Example: "CCCP" in Russian means "SSSR" in the Latin alphabet. (the "P" is like the Greek letter "rho" which is an "R" in the Latin alphabet)
UAC (the creator of the MC 21) are branding it as MC 21 even in non Cyrillic markets. So it is the MC 21.
The Strategic Alliance between Russia and China in the development of the CR 929 provides a Better Chance for them to Produce a Wide Body Jet for the International Market. Furthermore both China and Russia have a Large Domestic Market for the CR929. I envisage that any time between 2030 and 2050 the CR 929 will be able to compete in the Global Market.
Ah gotta love modern business. All mergers and acquisitions
I personally think that Russia will do better than China because China doesn't have a great bond with many countries so it will be hard them to get there aircraft certified were as Russia also having this problem they have a greater change due to them not facing many hiccups in the process of getting there aircraft certified let me know what you think.
Maybe in the international stage, but the fact that most airlines in China are owned by the government and the aircraft creator is owned by the government. And China is expected to be the largest growing region for aircraft demands in the coming years. I think the Chinese company will do better simply because Chinese airlines will by the plane.
@@natf6747 I think so too but if big countries like America don't certify it they won't make much money on does jets unless if they fly them on regional routes that's where the Russian aircraft can step in
I think Russia has more to win out of the deal in the short term, but China is probably targeting much more regional/national stuff anyway just to get started. I mean look at China's auto industry, they started by just straight up ripping off western automakers that in an hilarious, cookie-cutter fashion before delving into more original designs. I think you're right that China doesn't have great bonds, but just a few years ago I noticed a Chinese automaker discretely pop up in California after a number of years getting established in the manner they did. Doing the same here it seems. Copy/paste all day and nobody can really do much about it, and now Russia is getting in on that action.
@@kzero1499 I wouldn't say no one can do anything about it. Based on what I have heard this year has severely screwed China over. I have even heard that the CCPs beloved 3 gorges damn may potentially bust due to the heavy rains they have gotten. You can even watch a simulation of what would happen if it did. Also, they are in a very tight spot food-wise. Then on top of that, they are getting heavily sanctioned from all around the world for their humanitarian issues. And on top of that, they have made a claim on Russian owned province to their northeast and there is potentially a big feud there. But also, due to them stealing intellectual property many countries are sanctioning them. So something is happening about it.
I was going to make a comment refuting the nonsense you guys spewed one by one then I realized a few of you are Indian. Nevermind, continue to think China is on the verge of collapsing/is collapsing.
i never would fly with an Chinese or Russian Airliner.
The 929 literally is a 787.
nah the fuselage looks like the A350s fuselage but I do admit the nose looks a lot like the 787 nose
can you make a video on airbus a320 family
It's high time that we create something different than a tube with wings.
I will make the wing with tubes
An uncanny amount of tubes
The tubes... control
Airbus ❤️
Ever
Airbus!!!
"Nord Aviashion" Lmaooo
This video became unbelievable as soon as he mentioned "HOLLAND" instead of The Netherlands, seems no fact checking has been done.
Airbus is headquartered in Leiden, which is in the province of South Holland. In any case, it's a minor error and very common misconception, hardly something that would make the rest of the video "unbelievable". Stop being hyperbolic.
Well China and Russia may be trying to enter the market but I’ll never fly on aircraft made in those countries.