Hive Minds
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- Опубліковано 6 лют 2025
- The concept of linking many minds together to act in concert, or even fuse into a new singular entity, has been popular in science fiction for decades. Today we will explore the idea and Networked Intelligence in general, to see how realistic it is, and what benefits or concerns might arise from it.
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Hive minds are all fun and games until someone decides to start digitally copying themselves and gaming the mind. Ultimately, it could hack the other minds to become itself until finally it goes from "We are the Borg" to "We are the Kardashian". And that may be what happened to the Borg, if one thinks about it. Anyway, back to the coffee.
Good one, JMG! Hacking hive minds are the higher level topics. The entire organizational design field and possibly even economics is the embryo of a hive mind.
Agent Smith
I can't see how a hive mind composed of multiple copies of a single mind, no matter how brilliant, could compete with other hive minds composed of differing individuals. All of its nodes would have the same biases, the same mental strengths and weaknesses.
Kardashian? Pff, i'm only getting worried once this joint starts becoming Junkoland.
"We Are Legion (We Are Bob): Bobiverse" from Dennis E. Taylor deals with this, and is a very good read.
One hypothesis I heard about the Borg as to why they act so dumb was that their network architecture was fantastic when they were, say, a single planet. But it didn't scale well, and when the Borg collectively realized that they were getting negative returns on new members, they were too stupid to devise a better solution.
Tyneras...Have you worked in a corporation? I think the behavior of the Borg is a logical extension of the effect of corporatism on communities of humans. In "real" corporations, people become increasingly focused on their job, until they are Borg-like in their tunnel vision. I would say the Borg is not stupid so much as overly specialized in precisely the way you would expect it to be. The Borg is what you would expect General Electric to look like after a few centuries of isolation in space.
Yes, I have worked for both large corporations and the government. I find your attitude, which I have heard a great many times, to be more a function of the speakers cynicism rather than an accurate reflection of reality.
The solution is simple. Keep assimilating until you assimilate someone with the answer.
hes gotta be around here somewhere......
Well the borg are dumb cause they LITERALLY cant think of new ideas so they're paradoxical in nature wherein in order to advance they have to assimilate the most advanced civilisation so they wait around with ageing technology and old science till they wait too long and get wiped by the far more advanced civilisation. A hive mind like the borg that can think critically and ;earn on its own would be far more scary and probably wipe the federation.
Honestly, Isaac, I'm so blown away by your content. Not only is it comprehensive and well-scripted, but your upload schedule is the most productive and durable I have ever seen on UA-cam. Sir, you are an astounding person, putting together episodes that far exceed the technical depth and length of Kurzgesagt videos (which I also adore), with over 700% more content per month and just a small team to back you up. Plus, you give Google Hangouts live interviews, and hold down a full-time job? I should stop gushing over you and your prolificity, but I'm just blown away. Having seen over 30 of your videos (I know, I need to catch up!), I just want to let you know that as someone who generally does have a difficult time understanding people when they don't articulate, it was not a great task to overcome the truly slight intelligibility deficit in your scripts. I'm sure that, as with everything else you seem to put forward, it took you practice. But I just want you to know that your enunciation and general clarity of expressed ideas is really top notch on UA-cam or, frankly, anywhere else. 20 years ago, you would have been a star on Discovery Science Channel. I wish you the best in your career(s) and hope that you will gain all the recognition from your target demographics that you desire. Have a wonderful 2018, dude.
Thank you Jared I really appreciate that, I hope 2018 is awesome for you as well
Would agree here 100% but his commentary voice is below average just can't sit and listen to him.
2024 and you are still the very best sci-fi and futurologist UA-camr Out there. Shout out @@isaacarthurSFIA !!
"The borg are idiots" Isaac Arthur 2017
An example of really poor writing on behalf of the Star Trek teams. The harsh reality is, if the Borg were that smart (and they were), there would really have been no defence against their capabilities. A distributed machine intelligence, with all the knowledge of those they had assimilated, available in perfect fidelity, real-time, with vast computational power to determine optimum response pathways. For me a particularly bad example of script-writing were the scenes where Data was able to corrupt an "infrequently used" regeneration pathway, resulting in the total loss of the cube (by a poorly-explained event sequence). This was in the same "league of bad writing" as the uploading of a "virus" onto the Mother ship in the first Independence Day film - in both cases they had poor (certainly incomplete) knowledge of the various supervisory systems, and it beggars belief that ANY "advanced Intelligence" would NOT be running equally advanced and heuristically - intelligent "antivirus" packages as standard!
I think that a lot of problems with the Borg go away if you just use the species definition supplied in the "Q Who?" next generation episode. All the rest of their redefinitions in future episodes turn a an interesting species into a mediocre cliche. Now the Borg are assimilating biology and cultures, now we have a Queen which should not exist (in a unicomplex that should also not exist), now the Borg attack the Federation with no reason with a single ship instead of everything they've got, now we have a species bent on endless war to find "perfection" of all the ridiculous things, now we have specialized ships, now we have cubes all communicating instantaneously and forming a "shared consciousness", etc. It looks like none of the writers that added this junk actually viewed the "Q Who?" episode.
@@JohnStephenWeck What?! Do you want the Good guys to loose?!
The Borg NEEDS weaknest
@@rommdan2716 Honestly, to me old legacy code seems one of the likely weaknesses for them to have. It offends me more that it never came up again, as far as I know.
It’s 2024, we have new Star Trek, I can confirm the borg are idiots!
Welcome back to another episode of: The speed of light and laws of thermodynamics suck, with your host Isaac Arthur
That's the challenge to us all. We know these are "hard limits" (per our current understanding), and the mark of an intelligent society is the ability to work around such limits, hopefully transforming problems into advantages.
Constraints breed creativity.
We'll have to see how reliable quantum entanglement proves to be over distance and whether or not it can be effectively harnessed for communications.
Spoiler: It can't.
yet
I think it's interesting that you mentioned cities as an example and said it sacrifices some privacy, which is why some prefer the countryside. However arguably one has the most privacy in a crowd. In small community there is no privacy, because everyone knows everyone, but in a city you are anonymous. One could also quote the Great Gatsby here: “I like large parties. They’re so intimate. At small parties there isn’t any privacy.” Thus in a very large hivemind your could really have quite a lot of privacy in practice.
I really do love this channel. It gives my a place to go to where I can relax and listen to deep thoughts on interesting subjects and then go down into the comments and only see intelligent conversation. And the best part is, it happens every week. I don't know how it is done, but I thank you for it.
Thank you Gabriel!
You deserve all the praise you get. You are truly amazing. Thank you!
It's the beginning of a good hive mind. :)
Prakash Chandrashekar
Lol, well played. 😀
We are Ohio. Resistance to paying taxes is futile.
Does Ohio have a meth-head tax yet
We are Ohio. Your highness in the middle and roundness at both ends will be added to our own.
Pipe2DevNull we are Wisconsin we will take over the Midwest and canada. It sounds silly but unexpected things always happen in history
We are The USA. Lower your defenses and surrender your lands. We will add your cultural and ethnic background to our own. Resistance is futile.
indeed
"Otherwise you end up dreaming tax code debates or a C-span live stream." Had me chuckling at that line, fantastic episode as always.
Are you sure Isaac, don't you remember the great Kidney revolt of 1955.
Dave Atlas Remember the fallen
Merritt Animation Indeed Merrit, indeed...
My own hive suffered thru the Appendixic Anarchists Movement in the 70's...
Maybe that's why Kidney function declines over time? The cells individually decide over time that doing the same thing over and over is stupid and exhausting, and eventually go on strike to avoid wearing themselves down..
Resistance to Isaac is futile!
21:40 and the "grandparents calling you up to babysit your uncle" from whichever episode it was; gave me a good laugh.
Thank you
We already have hive minds - We call the corporations.
I remember an associate who routinely referred to our headquarters as the "ant hill".
Also, in a more primitive context, there is the tribe.
You may think of yourself as distinct from the other members of your tribe, but outsiders might not be concerned with your individuality - only with your expected hive dynamic.
And what happens when one of it's Queens is insane?
Every Thursday I can't wait to get home from work and watch each video. I can't wait for Thursday every week. These videos are highly anticipated each week. They have started to get my son's into looking in the nights sky for the future.
That's awesome Eric, give him my best regards.
"Transcendence" is a terrific story/movie that shows the power of the hive mind idea in more of a positive light. The badguy in that story is actually the fear of the hivemind and or religious aspect of how far humans Should go when developing AI
On the Fermi Paradox:
Instead of looking for a single reason why we don't see aliens, why couldn't it be a combination of ALL the factors brought up in the Fermi Paradox Compilation? Like, some go the hive mind route, some hide inside super computers, etc...
exactly
That sounds good but the problem is that the Fermi Paradox is a numbers game. If it's improbable that a single culprit is inevitable it's even more improbable that multiple culprits all lead to the same result
I have a new goal in life know: Make my computer eat my neibours.
I think when people assume that any possible hive mind would always automatically completely take over all individuality fail to recognise the fact that we already have many systems we have built to allow our computers to selectively share their resources all without compromising their ability to perform their own individual tasks at will. BOINC, Peer to peer filesharing, DHT to name a few there is no reason we couldn't adapt our knowledge and experience from that to networked minds.
Indeed, like I said in the episode I can see how you'd get there just assuming some sort of telepathy nobody really understood but when you have to incrementally build all your interface hardware and software from scratch you should have a mastery sufficient to allow limited interfacing of just what you want. With the obvious caveat that people routinely put stuff out on modern social media they didn't mean to or later regret.
+Isaac Arthur True though that said people have been unwisely sharing information they probably really should have kept to themselves since the dawn of language and likely will continue to do so for as long as there are people so not much one can do to protect people against their own nature.
Every Thursday feels like Christmas when anticipating these fantastic videos. I can't remember so looking forward to a show going all the way back to when Lost was on television. Granted this beautiful channel, and Lost are apples, and oranges. However, it sure is sweet to have something so captivating to look forward to every week again!
The hive only has 17 nodes, each one down voted this video. They're mad that Isaac doesn't want to be #18
One thing I love about this channel is it's a nice break from the rest of UA-cam. Not a bunch of fighting, or video's that make you feel bad. Just fun stuff to talk about, and think about. I'm happy for the channels success. I'm glad you are making it to more people. But I sort of wish it would not get to big because then all the nasty aspects of UA-cam seap in.
I hope not, it was a worry of mine earlier on, that as we grew I'd never be able to reply to anybody anymore and we'd get spammed to the gills with trolls and such, but it hasn't happened so far and we're already about 10 times bigger than I thought we'd ever get when I was first worrying about that and feeling guilty I hadn't memorized the UserID of all the folks who commented here, which was 'several dozen' :) Anyway its always a concern but I think we're safe for now, we do get some trolls but this content doesn't really attract that sort much.
I so completely love this channel, I've been here since shortly after the beginning and my love for this high quality content has only grown in that time. Thank you Isaac :)
Thank you Robyn! I'm always glad to hear from the folks who go all thew way back, means I've not jumped the shark :)
Isaac Arthur Isaac Arthur replied to my comment! Day made :)
I know what you mean. I was one of his first thousand subs back years ago and it so cool to see how this channel has grown.
LMAO love your username!
Reddit is the last thing I would have expected Isaac to make a video on.
My favorite hive mind that I can think of off-hand is the uplifted ants in "Children of Time". The uplifted spiders end up winning a war with a continent-spanning ant super-colony and end up breeding ant colonies to perform different functions which we have developed machines for, like metal smithing, chemical and weapons production, computing. Eventually they end up getting to the point where they create an orbital defense (literal) web.
As always, a delight to watch, like candy for the mind. When I first watched one of your videos about a year ago I fell in love with the idea of space, something that previously mattered little to me. Wish I'd found this inspiration 50 years ago. Thank you, Mr. Arthur.
I imagine a properly performing hivemind intelligence would probably focus its attention on enhancing the abilities and behaviours of its individual nodes, such as helping a scientist node with the pccacional calculation, discuraging someone from commiting a crime, and other much subtler forms of general puppeteering.
We are the swarm.
We wish you Happy Arthur's day.
"Legion is my name, for we are many". Connect up all of us (AND our existing supercomputing resources), and all-of-a-sudden that is a LOT of "problem-solving capability".
Thank you for this! Perfect as a bit of inspiration for a short story i'm working on. :)
That's why I'm here too, lol.
Is the story finished yet?
Once again.... Never a disappointment... Thank you Isaac, keep grinding... Your hard work is paying off!!
Thanks for the episode. So hyped for the interstellar civilization one, as I have the concept of a short story set in one in mind.
Awesome video! I've been talking recently about this concept with some friends of mine, glad to have your context and ideas on the subject, Isaac. Thanks for another great one.
*Ceases all activity to watch the video*
Yellow 13 you have my permission to breathe
@ERASING YOUR MEMORY!!! No you don't
“The intelligence of that creature known as a crowd is the square root of the number of people in it.” - Terry Pratchett
"To assess the intelligence of a committee, divide the IQ of its stupidest member by the number of members." - Robert A. Heinlein
Bob Wright reminds me of the Pareto principle
IIRC Pratchett's quote was more "Intelligence of a crowd is the intelligence of the most stupid individual, divided by the number of members".
It was in "Feet of clay."
The Pratchett is from Jingo
well then, there is a similar quote, the one i brought, in Feet of clay
The Pratchett quote seems to imply that the greater the number, the more intelligent, albeit not by much
I know the saying " go big or go home" but wow, this will be one hell of a year's end. Oort clouds, interstellar empires, intergalactic colonization... I really don't want to be in your shoes when 2018 decides to come a knocking and you're out of great topics.
:) I generally consider almost all of those topics 'introductory, so we can get to the cool stuff', we've got plenty of material, though irritatingly we will be doing some partial repeats since many of the older videos haven't been seen by newer members.
Isaac Arthur running out of interesting things to talk about? You must be new to the channel ;)
Not really, been subed for around a year, but hive minds and interstellar empires are MAJOR staples of SF, while Oort and intergalactic colonization are highly interesting topics. Not all topics are created equally and this month is full of topics which will probably have extremely high visibility.
Isaac Arthur maybe a 2nd part to the nuclear option? With bussard ramjets?
not possible says me in 2021, thankyou isaac you are an inspiration and have helped even more of us during the dark times
Yet another beautifully done episode, Arthur :) keep up good work!
Another interesting hive mind are the warships in the imperial radch trilogy by Ann leckie. All the warships use a kind of hive mind to link all the soldiers on board by replacing their personalities with the ships ai. One of the major conflicts is that the Lord of the empire, another hive mind that has thousands of bodies connected to it, split into multiple factions because communication lag and are having a cold war against itself to decide the future of the radch
I love this
I haven't been able to find Ancilliary Justice anywhere to read :/
Prewatch: Whoo-who! My second Isaac Arthur video. I'm so excited!
Postwatch: Good episode. Thought provoking and engaging. I think more time could have been spent on how a hive mind would perceive reality and itself. How much would the individual minds still perceive of themselves AS individual minds, if at all?
On a side note, the Borg have always been a favorite adversary of mine because of their juggernautle nature. And yes, they are very stupid for billions of minds working in concert. But is important to remember that in many ways the Borg are an example of a hive mind gone wrong.
Welcome to the best futurism channel on the tube!!
Thought provoking is good, you need to watch more episodes, this guy here (Isaac) is one of the best philosophical futurist minds I've ever seen/heard.
One could rationalize the Borg as a formerly very powerful & intelligent hive mind. The most effective attack against such a hive mind would be some bio-weapon that reduces it's mental abilities, rendering smart individuals into mindless drones and a super-intelligent whole into a brute-force adversary.
I'm still in pre-watch stage so I don't know whether he recommends Redemption Ark by Alastair Reynolds a sci-fi author who also happens to be an astronomer. That story in particular deals with characters living in a hivemind maybe you'd like to check it out.
It's part of a series, but the books are only loosely connected between each other with recurring characters being rather rare honestly so if you want to just skip right to it I wouldn't feel bad, otherwise I'm sure you can find the proper reading order on the wiki.
EDIT: Grammar. Trust me it was even worse before the edit.
ZundertronZ - Oh, make no mistake. I'll be delving.
Arthur, I started reading Science Fiction when I was about 8 years old. One of my greatest birthday presents was a SciFi 'Book of the Month Club' my mom enrolled me in at 10. (we're talking the 60s). I have to tell you your SciFi knowledge blows me away. Very nice indeed. ;)
Best group organism in Science Fiction: MorningLightMountain from Pandora's Star
MorningLightMountain even has a pretty boss song written about it.
I know
It was the most sensible depiction of a hive-mind organism in fiction IMO.
Thursdays are now interesting as fuck thanks to this channel.
we have dubbed this day of the week Arthursday, let us celebrate with a video
we are legion for we are many
We are Bob.
Red Dwarf! One of my favourite episodes of the series.
Bible quote nice.
The second I saw the title I thought 'Geth'.
Does this unit have a soul?
“We are all perfect and identical to one another.”
Stellar video, Isaac. As always.
I am so excited for Intergalactic Colonization! Maybe we'll hear some critique/thoughts as to Mass Effect: Andromeda and other entertainment centered around this idea?
Thanks for all your hard work!!!
We will be talking about a game involving Andromeda, but not that one :)
I was wondering how many of these videos I would need to watch before seeing any references to Peter F. Hamilton's work. I don't love everything about his writing but his imagination and world-building make him possibly my favorite sci-fi author.
Someday I may give him another shot. The one trilogy of his I've read turned out to be two, two and a half books of shaggy dog story with maybe a novella that actually had anything to with the main plot.
You forgot the dankest of hive minds, 4chan
Yep, humans ain't immune to hive minds.... only we call 'em Cults, and the U.S. is struggling with a 'yuge' one right now.
Bro, it's just neckbeards with different opinions.
That’s reddit
I'm glad someone else acknowledges the process humanity is undergoing as an emergent networked intelligence, at least as a possibility. It's really rare to find any mention of this anywhere I'm normally at.
Thank you! I'll have to watch that again to take in all the information you presented.
Mr. Arthur, I as one, have been having a very good time listening to you explain your views on all the different subjects that you have taken on, and I have just started listening to you. ( I did want to say the music was down right pleasant to listen to on, " hive mind " ). As to the rest of the videos that I have viewed so far.
Shout out to revelation space series! I'm making my way through House of Suns at the moment and MAN. So good. Love the way he captures the vastness of space and ridiculous time scales involved. Also a really fascinating take on the future of humanity. You guys should check it out!
Yes, it's a great book too
+MrD1888 I think I will thanks.
My first attempt at reading the Revelation space series i got slammed with way too much confusing tech that wasn't explained. So i had to stop and take a brake. Probably will start over now that i understand the basics of what's going on.
Fantastic video! I’m really looking forward to the rest of December’s videos.
Goddamn, I can't wait for the intergalactic colonization video, another huge curiosity of mine.
Isaac left out the most nefarious hive mind of them all...
Twitter.
Twitter isn't really a hivemind and more a voidmind.
I have been binging your channel
While playing space engineers :) gives me inspiration.
for what exactly?
Space Engineers is a game where you build spacecraft and bases on planet of blocks. It's indeed goes really well with Arthur's videos, gives you ideas what to build
Stellaris is also a good thing to play when listening the Issac
It goes great with space engineers... up until you make the game explode because you've built the skeleton of a structure 5 kilometers long.
I also like using rotors on major components like reactor stacks, refineries and jump drive towers. Spinning is cool.
I rarely comment on anything. I thought this would be good food for thought. What if we use entanglement for communication and data transfer. This would open up all new possibilities for transferring consciousness over vast distances instantly. Not to mention the communication value. I hope this inspires thought amongst the community and I'm curious to see what comes of it. This would also solve the problem of faster-than-light travel and communication. finding an anchoring those entangled particles at specific locations will need to be further research didn't order to make this a practical application.
It's like you read my mind, then make a video on whatever topic I was thinking about for the past week
It's not like you saw the preceeding week's episode where he tells what the following episode will be.
Yeah, my dad and I had been talking about an advanced machine intelligence vs a hive mind for a week, and then I saw the machine rebellion video. I was stoked to see that he was making a video on hive minds next.
[Insert parenting done right here meme]
@cybershrapnel To be clear, are you saying Arthur steals his ideas from his followers?
Can't you all see? We are but nodes in the collective consciousness that is Isaac Arthur.
If you upload or otherwise create an algorithmic personality in VR, and they copy it multiple times, you have a hive mind.
The units may be autonomous, but they share common goals and knowledge.
That is sufficient to make the collection of units act like a hive mind.
Isaac is a genius, but even geniuses make mistakes. At 3:38 he starts mentioning unicellular organisms dividing by MITOSIS (ok, some do) but then says "such bacteria" --No, bacteria divide by FISSION not mitosis. Also, Vernor Vinge is supposed to be pronounced VIN-gee not VINJ.
Issac at UA-cam.
His voice spread wide.
Dave at UA-cam.
His mind opened.
yay it's Arthursday again!
Rejoice! For it is Arthur's Day! 26 mins of joy that will lead to another weekly binge of past episodes.
I suspect a hive mind might have problems looking at an issue from multiple angles if all members of the hive mind are identical.
At the same time, individuals who perceive an issue differently, will have problems comparing ideas, if they cannot communicate.
It's all about finding the right balance.
This S3E49 was almost overwhelming - very serious concepts that seemed almost incomprehensible. I should watch it again when I'm wide awake, perhaps pausing at every idea and pondering - taking notes and then writing serious comments on what seem like big ideas, like cities or nations being a precursor to a hive mind / networked intelligence. I, as an intelligence, have to plan to get food for all the parts of my body and cities or nations have to act to sustain the individual units.
A fresh Isaac Arthur video just for my birthday! ?!? Thanks !! Happy Arthursday everyone and Happy Birthday to me !!!
Happy birthday Benjamin!
Happy Birthday Dude!
Thanks !!
You are THE source for information to make my writing as scientificly accurate as science fiction can be. A well spring for aspiring writers to not only make well researched and reasoned storytelling.
Thank you for aknowlegeing HEX from the discworld even if it has not been intended to.
:) "Anthill inside" I'm guessing, though yes it wasn't an intentional Discworld reference, but to a paper by Luca Gambardella in the mid-90s, I'm guessing by Pratchett too, he always did his homework and Hex descriptions are full of those little winks to computer history.
Holy shit! I've just found this channel, and the networked intelligence or hive mind, made of my neurons, that is my brain is blown! This is incredibly well written and researched, with so many thought-provoking concepts. I don't know how it is that I didn't find this channel earlier. It seems so clear to me now that up until this point my life was a lie! Wow! You definitely earned my subscription. Now I need to calm down from my brain orgasm.
Finally! Been waiting all week :)
Perfect to listen to while laying in bed, playing FTL from my 3DS on my computer because my leg is scratched up. Awesome episode as always
I can't go to sleep without hearing your soothing speech impediment.. lol I love this channel!
I suddenly decided to rewatch this and the first thing that came to mind as you explained networked intelligence with a people analogy was the anime Cells at Work.
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a human brain can be considered a hive mind analogy since an individual neuron does not know math equations but your reasoning brain region does know math equations
Happy arthursday!!!
Sweet! Nice episode! As replied in JMG's comment, a great exploration of these topics will be with understanding how spontaneous orders of different types come up. How the scents of the ants compare with how we use money. Trade-offs between hierarchy and networking. Subsidiarity, service oriented architecture. Lots of philosophical potential here.
Isaac you are brilliant Sir. Your content stirs the soul and imagination in a way that really hits home. Please keep these great videos coming!
That moment when you open the new Isaac Arthur video with the usual feeling of excitement and then you see the video is *only* 26 min long and catch yourself frowning.
I knew you were going to upload...because i'm connected to the hive ;p
And I knew someone would say that....
In a hive mind the individual has to be crushed out of existence and operate in zombie mode without consciousness.
Your channel has grown so much
My pet model of a hive mind is what I call scatter-gather: you take a copy of the hive's entire memory and flag certain memories and personality traits as special to that instance, then download them to an avatar/drone. The avatar then continues independently (though usually still with communication to the hive). Periodically the avatar returns to upload any new memories they produced and download new memories from the hive, but keeps their set of flags and personality.
This lets you have specialization and individuality while still having a unified mind. This also mitigates any personal risk of injury, as you can always be duplicated or restored from backup, and menial tasks can be handled by tweaking the personality of that instance.
Omg I was JUST thinking about Hive Minds and hoping that you'd do a video about it sometime!.. That's amazing and creepy.
Are you familiar with the hive mind of the Skritt race from the fantasy game Guild Wars 2? They are very interesting, as they are individually intelligent enough to function but only barely, but become smarter whenever they gather into large groups, and can become an effective super-intelligence when in large swarms. They also get less aggressive and territorial/violent when their population passes a certain threshold. It's a very interesting concept. Their hive mind also only functions over short distances because they network via super high frequency sonic verbalization.
I love your channel Arthur keep up the good work
The necromorphs from Dead Space come across as a good form of a hive mind to me.
Happy Arthursday everyone ^^
Great start to my day, gets the brain moving. Thanks Isaac!
Cheers then! Get some thoughts in before supper.
WOW! Arthur, Thanks! I was very happy you mentioned unconscious processes, I was considering something like Jung's collective consciousness, or more recently Sheldrake's morphic resonance? My research is out-of-date on experiments on this possible unconscious mind that is not supported by current physics. A hypothesis that once something is learnt somewhere by humans or even by lab rats, there is a transfer of awareness of the new skill that defies normal communication.
As usual I will enjoy listening to your Hive minds a few times more just to try and digest it all. PS. It there can be communication between humans of this kind, why not suns? They live for so long and are at least gravitationally aware of each other. The Sphinx Question to Oedipus.
"What walks on four legs in the morning, two legs in the afternoon and three leg in the evening?" Answer, A man of course, who lives but a day in the life of the Sphinx who promptly vanishes. My hive mind extends to a vote for suns having faster than light communication throughout our galaxy that our puny lifespan cannot yet understand.
dude. check out Blindsight and Echopraxia. And maybe Three Body Problem by Cixin Liu. Good stuff
WOW Thank you Karim for giving me advice on such fine reading. I will buy Blindsight and check out the Chinese Arthur C Clark Lou Cixin. Thanks for the advice from Melbourne Australia :-)
Cudos to you for bringing up Sheldrake, mate 😁👍
From personal experience most individuals I've come across here seem to be hardcore materials totally dismissive of the remotest notion of such a thing!
What if joining is voluntary, but what is represented to the perspective volunteer is not what that volunteer will experience?
I saw an episode of The Outer Limits in which a group of people were testing for an "important secret mission" All but one of the volunteers end up being killed or washing out and the winner discovers that the important secret mission is to serve as a test subject to see how well humans can tolerate torture.
Amazing video!!! Keep up the good work!!!
Personally, I think landing on the moon is a pretty good example of a task where the network showed higher intelligence than its members.
I think it’s important to remember that YOU aren’t just your brain when discussing intelligence. Most of the tasks that your brain network is accomplishing require a body or there’s no point in having a brain in the first place.
12:51 -- I don't think it would work like that. The way computers achieve most of their performance is through caching. The data is moved, as needed, from the slowest component to the fastest one. Something like:
Hard Drive -> SSD -> RAM -> Processor cache 3-1 -> Processor core.
I imagine that if a gargantuan computer were build on the order of a galaxy or more, then it would have to implement some sort of massive caching system where the most used data would be at the center of the structure and the least used data towards the outer edges.
Assuming the communication between the nodes of this galactic computer is done through some gamma radiation - a dyson sphere could be used like a giant capacitor to create a large energy pulse from each node in the system. Then you'll end up with something that looks akin to the human mind.
Maybe, each node could produce enough energy to reach beyond it's neighbor.
Then, each node will power the dyson-sphere capacitors of it's neighbors --
creating something that behaves like action potentials in the brain.
I can already tell this is going to be a good one! Keep em coming Issac, this is fast becoming one of my fav youtube channels!
hivemind detected. everybody and their dog in this thread finds SFIA awesome
24:13 I agree with you on that. Reminds me of a quote, by Benjamin Franklin. "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
As always, great work!
Edit: found the precise quote
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you can usually feasably TRADE freedoms for other freedoms. how do you feel about that?
Well, one has to look at has to look at such things in detail. What is the trade? Without this freedom you are giving away, how could a corrupt individual abuse/take advantage of you?* What protections will you gain from the new freedom that you do not currently have? Importantly: will your rights as an individual make a net gain as a result of this swap? Lastly, do you have the right to easily and quickly reverse the action at a later time, should there be some unforeseen consequence of the exchange?
One must think long and carefully about decisions about one's freedoms.
*It's an unfortunate artifact of human nature that positions of power tend to attract power hungry people
Also: found the original quote, see above. It's may not be quite as applicable but it's still a good point.
20:31 my first thought was "I should watch C-span"
surprised to be able to listen to the entire episode on my half hour lunch break. Not short, just right!
We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
No thanks. In fact we'll just transport over to your ship and walk around while you ignore us and then shoot drones while you make no attempt to fight back. Then when you have adapted to our weapons we'll just leave.
Absolutely excellent! As usual, my mind has been opened to some new concepts as well as new ways of thinking about concepts I'm familiar with. Well done sir!
Quality content
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