If you think your spiritual group or leader might be unhealthy, or if you got out of a spiritual cult - check out my free 50 page Cult Awareness & Recovery Guide: calliesorensen.podia.com
could i get some help here - i've uncovered a wild cult that is abusing children en masse and is being enabled by a shit ton of cops. got tons of evidence, can't unload it onto anyone because apparently the entire f*cking country is full of pedo cops. sweet. youtube.com/@theporthuronstatement oh, we're not talking about like 2 victims - we're talking thousands minimum.
so true, my Pastor would always tell us that “your thoughts are not your own, your emotions are not of your own” and my cousin was going through the worse pain ever, 2 months later he passed away and my Pastor only said “Everything was God’s will” long story short I never went back to the church ever again
“I distrust those who claim to know so well what god wants me to do, because of how often I notice that it always coincides with their own desires.”. - Susan B. Anthony
I like when you mentioned "the leader can do no harm" and how their beliefs and tactics are the only correct beliefs. I notice my clients relating back to these ideas when dealing with Religious Trauma Syndrome (RTS). This is a great simple way to help simplify these actions and help those who are victims understand.
This is also very applicable to those raised in military family, when Father is a member of military and passes his life onto the kids, wife and all family doings. Whoa!! M. IL
I went to a very large powerful church in my small town that tried to isolate me from the secular world, they basically gang stalked me, they believed in demons and tried to deny my personal experiences with psychosis and mental health as spiritual. They tried to harass me about stuff I did online and outside the church, by making up stories that were about me, but weren't. They wrote sermons about me. They tried to constantly push me to marry one of the 18/19 yo girls from the children of the inner circle families, but I am a 35 yo single father with a 5 yo daughter. I think they wanted to control me and my finances. I witnessed them sympathizing with a 50 yo man who married a barely legal phillipino girl he met while she was underage, during his mission trips, because his own church called him out and kicked him out over it. This is a real church, my ex's grandfather was one of "them" and when I say "them" I specifically mean the pastorial staff and board of directors for the church. They were all in on it, as well as a few of the older people that regularly attend there. Several attendees were good people but they often goy shunned a bit, and when I was no longer cooperative, they started shunning me too.
I was part of my pastors triad. We really talked about deep things ( or I did, he just listened). I went to church and gave when I could. I really did consider them my family. I would even participate in group texts that I would always start. I had to move because of a job promotion and to a really beautiful place to live ( right on the water). The moment I couldn't attend anymore I never heard from anyone anymore. It was very strange. Never went back to a church again.
I purposely never bothered getting close to pastor or people who worked in church as I hate the fact when thry prented to be your friend then just ignore you when you leave
In Jehovah Witnesses, there is an illusion of being able to ask questions until the questions get too much or too deep then it’s treated as doubt, accused of looking at “apostate” info etc
People think that being a Christian means instantly forgiving people and overlooking death threats, stealing, being robbed of your clothes, and all of the ignorant things that have happened to me. It's not and anyone asking me to is abusing me. Repeatedly I'm being asked to forgive crimes, power trips and disrespect to prove to people I'm a Christian. I hate everyone involved in this ignorant work. My life will not get better under these terms, these folks are killing me inside and out.
Yes this!! 🤦🏻♀️ I started seeing a Christian life coach cause of my ex. He was double minded of getting married, and now says God told him not to marry me. And we have a 1 year old son. And he says God told him who his wife is, and that God told him to ignore me, and God told him to be separated from our son… I use to believe all these things but through my healing journey I’ve been getting clarity, clear minded and my coach told me it’s spiritual abuse..
Are you saying that it is okay to practice sexuality with adolescents if the religion says it's okay and if the person says God say and I say and the adolescent says no then we are religious? I'm asking because that wife open statement can also be misinterpreted as it's okay of my religion says so.
"such were you" What I love about the bible is the truth that is abused contains truth that undoes any abuse. The devil uses scripture, making deception not the absence of truth, but the distortion and manipulating the use of it
I have a neighbor who you cannot talk to without Jesus coming into the conversation. She constantly quotes Bible verses and if you mention any problem or health issue, she tells you to have more faith in God. She constantly says that God is going to take care of her. I am getting to the point where I don't even want to speak to her anymore and I cringe when she calls me.
Im experiencing this now a friend has said the lord soke to her to let go of the 18yr friendship due to me going on to some spiritual heights? Its really hurt and is totally not true on my part i feel like she's unknowingly made 2+7=100 its totally weird then I've got someone saying she will call me for a cup of tea if she feels led?
Another one for #6, invalidating emotions/thoughts/concerns, my “pastor” would say “stop thinking, start drinking” and he means drinking of the River of the spirit. So in short, don’t reason or weigh your experiences with the Bible, don’t be theological about them, just let what ever happens happen and if you get offended you have to repent for a spirit of offense. (Don’t do NAR churches hahah). Hope this will help someone with figuring out the wording they use
The worst thing about the lack of emotional validation. Is that it's men preaching this. They have no experience in women's changing hormones and how it affects the brain. It biological. It's science. But they continually preach that emotions are to be reeled in and tamed.Because it's not convenient for them
try to study the "Iglesia Ni Cristo" church, which originated in the Philippines in 1914, founded by Felix Manalo. All these you have mentioned perfectly fit with all these signs you have mentioned.
The lord is pleased with the ten percent going to protect the offenders. Never the victim. Its all in their head, of course. Its demons. Well, theyre right about that...
++ Mica Miller +A Protestant Pastor’s Wife Who Recently /Committed “Suicide”/ Unfortunate Victim Of Her Narcissist Clergy Abusive Husband. Narcissistic Clergy Sadly Prance As Pristine Public Appearance & Horrible In Private.
I trusted in the Lord of Jesus Christ as my personal savior into my heart through faith alone, and not of works, by accepting his free gift of salvation, by his grace on February 16, 1996, each day, I confess sins for process of sanctification, to receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior, please refer to Matthew 10:28, John 3:16-18:36, 5:24, 6:37:47, 10:27-29, 14:6, Acts 2:38, 16:30-31, Luke 15:10, Romans 1:16, 3:23, 4:5, 6:23, 10:9-10:13, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:5. God bless the world, and thank you for sharing.
I only just found videos like this on the topic of 'spiritual abuse'. I grew up in a very strict centuries out of date religious family, basically the 'god is fear and hate' types rather than the modern twist of 'god is love'. I never knew what to call this when I started seeking psychiatric help and referred to it simply as 'indoctrination', and the more generic diagnosis was simply PTSD from abusive parents. Since I also like in the UK, I dont think many people or mental health specialists here have even heard of the terms 'spiritual abuse' or as I read in a comment here 'Religious Trauma Syndrome'. One of the most recent things I realised is that my whole life living with with my family, they were extremely strict, never showed compassion or positive emotions, and yes they used corporeal punishment for everything (actually beating me and my brother with sticks, and the same went for most of my relatives and cousins), yet for my most part my brother and cousins basically ended up 'brainwashed / indoctrinated' into the cult, while I eventually moved out and left. After leaving I was bombarded with constant mail from my parents with rubbish completely over the top 'We love you, we are parents, we will always love our children' type bullshit which was completely the polar opposite of their behaviour while I lived with them, which I recognised as a last ditch effort from them to try and get me back into their 'cult', as well as possibly a self serving method to try and absolve themselves of any guilt. Furthermore a lot of people also then don't realize the stigma associated with people like me who 'left their family' - especially other religious people. They repeat the constant 'Your parents always love you / leaving and cutting communication was evil / surely there can't be a problem with your entire family / relatives and not you, you must be the one to blame'. So basically I realised that all religion is toxic no matter how much religious people try to sugarcoat their beliefs these days with all the 'god is love' nonsense. Also 'God is love .. but you have to marry whoever we tell you to', yea, in my dads own words he tried and wanted to 'marry you off' like a possession that he owned in accordance with his religious beliefs, and apparently theres nothing wrong with that according to a lot of people 'because the Royal Family also have arranged marriages'.
If you think your spiritual group or leader might be unhealthy, or if you got out of a spiritual cult - check out my free 50 page Cult Awareness & Recovery Guide: calliesorensen.podia.com
could i get some help here - i've uncovered a wild cult that is abusing children en masse and is being enabled by a shit ton of cops. got tons of evidence, can't unload it onto anyone because apparently the entire f*cking country is full of pedo cops. sweet.
youtube.com/@theporthuronstatement
oh, we're not talking about like 2 victims - we're talking thousands minimum.
so true, my Pastor would always tell us that “your thoughts are not your own, your emotions are not of your own” and my cousin was going through the worse pain ever, 2 months later he passed away and my Pastor only said “Everything was God’s will” long story short I never went back to the church ever again
Eb area 51 .
I am so glad you were able to recognize this and step away.
“I distrust those who claim to know so well what god wants me to do, because of how often I notice that it always coincides with their own desires.”.
- Susan B. Anthony
Love this quote! Thank you so much for sharing 🙏
In a good hour, necessary channel.
I like when you mentioned "the leader can do no harm" and how their beliefs and tactics are the only correct beliefs. I notice my clients relating back to these ideas when dealing with Religious Trauma Syndrome (RTS). This is a great simple way to help simplify these actions and help those who are victims understand.
Yes, I agree! Simplifying these tactics can really help people understand what they have been through. Thanks for the work that you do!
This is also very applicable to those raised in military family, when Father is a member of military and passes his life onto the kids, wife and all family doings. Whoa!!
M. IL
Yes, thank you for sharing this. It can be applicable to many different situations!
I went to a very large powerful church in my small town that tried to isolate me from the secular world, they basically gang stalked me, they believed in demons and tried to deny my personal experiences with psychosis and mental health as spiritual. They tried to harass me about stuff I did online and outside the church, by making up stories that were about me, but weren't. They wrote sermons about me. They tried to constantly push me to marry one of the 18/19 yo girls from the children of the inner circle families, but I am a 35 yo single father with a 5 yo daughter. I think they wanted to control me and my finances. I witnessed them sympathizing with a 50 yo man who married a barely legal phillipino girl he met while she was underage, during his mission trips, because his own church called him out and kicked him out over it.
This is a real church, my ex's grandfather was one of "them" and when I say "them" I specifically mean the pastorial staff and board of directors for the church. They were all in on it, as well as a few of the older people that regularly attend there. Several attendees were good people but they often goy shunned a bit, and when I was no longer cooperative, they started shunning me too.
I was part of my pastors triad. We really talked about deep things ( or I did, he just listened). I went to church and gave when I could. I really did consider them my family. I would even participate in group texts that I would always start. I had to move because of a job promotion and to a really beautiful place to live ( right on the water).
The moment I couldn't attend anymore I never heard from anyone anymore. It was very strange. Never went back to a church again.
"its no accident you're here"
Yes! Thanks for adding this one here...
I purposely never bothered getting close to pastor or people who worked in church as I hate the fact when thry prented to be your friend then just ignore you when you leave
Yeah, I’m a Christian and still experience that at church no matter where at. It sucks. I know Jesus is trustworthy, but churchgoers, not always.
They are only nice because they want your time to serve , and your donations.
We are commodities.
There are so many churches in the US that tick literally every one of these boxes.
Thank you :) I needed the reminder.
You are so welcome!
In Jehovah Witnesses, there is an illusion of being able to ask questions until the questions get too much or too deep then it’s treated as doubt, accused of looking at “apostate” info etc
thankyou callie remember that in all this god have his convenience
People think that being a Christian means instantly forgiving people and overlooking death threats, stealing, being robbed of your clothes, and all of the ignorant things that have happened to me. It's not and anyone asking me to is abusing me. Repeatedly I'm being asked to forgive crimes, power trips and disrespect to prove to people I'm a Christian. I hate everyone involved in this ignorant work. My life will not get better under these terms, these folks are killing me inside and out.
Pray for them
✅ good video
Thank you so much!
Key words: " God told me! "
Yes! Such a common tactic used...
My stbx used this a lot, along with thinking he was a prophet
Yes this!! 🤦🏻♀️ I started seeing a Christian life coach cause of my ex. He was double minded of getting married, and now says God told him not to marry me. And we have a 1 year old son. And he says God told him who his wife is, and that God told him to ignore me, and God told him to be separated from our son… I use to believe all these things but through my healing journey I’ve been getting clarity, clear minded and my coach told me it’s spiritual abuse..
@@HisBride. I am so sorry, that guy is not worthy of you and he have nothing with the God of the Bible. Wish all the best to you and your baby!
Are you saying that it is okay to practice sexuality with adolescents if the religion says it's okay and if the person says God say and I say and the adolescent says no then we are religious? I'm asking because that wife open statement can also be misinterpreted as it's okay of my religion says so.
"such were you"
What I love about the bible is the truth that is abused contains truth that undoes any abuse. The devil uses scripture, making deception not the absence of truth, but the distortion and manipulating the use of it
"Submit to one another"
You have described the 2x2 secret church. Every point is what happens in their church.
I have a neighbor who you cannot talk to without Jesus coming into the conversation. She constantly quotes Bible verses and if you mention any problem or health issue, she tells you to have more faith in God. She constantly says that God is going to take care of her. I am getting to the point where I don't even want to speak to her anymore and I cringe when she calls me.
Yes I know one of these but hv caught her not doing what she says.
@@scottweathersby6659 Of course!
Great❤
Exactly! Thank you❤
You are so welcome! I'm glad it resonated with you.
Good Video
Thank you so much!
So true
Im experiencing this now a friend has said the lord soke to her to let go of the 18yr friendship due to me going on to some spiritual heights? Its really hurt and is totally not true on my part i feel like she's unknowingly made 2+7=100 its totally weird then I've got someone saying she will call me for a cup of tea if she feels led?
Another one for #6, invalidating emotions/thoughts/concerns, my “pastor” would say “stop thinking, start drinking” and he means drinking of the River of the spirit. So in short, don’t reason or weigh your experiences with the Bible, don’t be theological about them, just let what ever happens happen and if you get offended you have to repent for a spirit of offense. (Don’t do NAR churches hahah).
Hope this will help someone with figuring out the wording they use
The worst thing about the lack of emotional validation. Is that it's men preaching this. They have no experience in women's changing hormones and how it affects the brain. It biological. It's science. But they continually preach that emotions are to be reeled in and tamed.Because it's not convenient for them
You have perfectly described the Jehovah's Witnesses.
🐘🧘♀️🧘♀️🧘♀️🧘♀️🐘
try to study the "Iglesia Ni Cristo" church, which originated in the Philippines in 1914, founded by Felix Manalo. All these you have mentioned perfectly fit with all these signs you have mentioned.
The lord is pleased with the ten percent going to protect the offenders. Never the victim. Its all in their head, of course. Its demons. Well, theyre right about that...
I'm from pakistan.and pastor in the church.my church members also fall in this doctrine.
I am so sorry to hear that. I'm so glad you were able to see what was happening in your church to the members.
++ Mica Miller +A Protestant Pastor’s Wife Who Recently /Committed “Suicide”/ Unfortunate Victim Of Her Narcissist Clergy Abusive Husband. Narcissistic Clergy Sadly Prance As Pristine Public Appearance & Horrible In Private.
Enlightened aka Anointed
I trusted in the Lord of Jesus Christ as my personal savior into my heart through faith alone, and not of works, by accepting his free gift of salvation, by his grace on February 16, 1996, each day, I confess sins for process of sanctification, to receive Jesus Christ as your personal savior, please refer to Matthew 10:28, John 3:16-18:36, 5:24, 6:37:47, 10:27-29, 14:6, Acts 2:38, 16:30-31, Luke 15:10, Romans 1:16, 3:23, 4:5, 6:23, 10:9-10:13, Ephesians 2:8-10, and Titus 3:5. God bless the world, and thank you for sharing.
Sa6ing they have to protect their testimony. Jesus didnt care about his testimony
. Why do you??
So liberals
I only just found videos like this on the topic of 'spiritual abuse'. I grew up in a very strict centuries out of date religious family, basically the 'god is fear and hate' types rather than the modern twist of 'god is love'. I never knew what to call this when I started seeking psychiatric help and referred to it simply as 'indoctrination', and the more generic diagnosis was simply PTSD from abusive parents. Since I also like in the UK, I dont think many people or mental health specialists here have even heard of the terms 'spiritual abuse' or as I read in a comment here 'Religious Trauma Syndrome'. One of the most recent things I realised is that my whole life living with with my family, they were extremely strict, never showed compassion or positive emotions, and yes they used corporeal punishment for everything (actually beating me and my brother with sticks, and the same went for most of my relatives and cousins), yet for my most part my brother and cousins basically ended up 'brainwashed / indoctrinated' into the cult, while I eventually moved out and left. After leaving I was bombarded with constant mail from my parents with rubbish completely over the top 'We love you, we are parents, we will always love our children' type bullshit which was completely the polar opposite of their behaviour while I lived with them, which I recognised as a last ditch effort from them to try and get me back into their 'cult', as well as possibly a self serving method to try and absolve themselves of any guilt. Furthermore a lot of people also then don't realize the stigma associated with people like me who 'left their family' - especially other religious people. They repeat the constant 'Your parents always love you / leaving and cutting communication was evil / surely there can't be a problem with your entire family / relatives and not you, you must be the one to blame'. So basically I realised that all religion is toxic no matter how much religious people try to sugarcoat their beliefs these days with all the 'god is love' nonsense.
Also 'God is love .. but you have to marry whoever we tell you to', yea, in my dads own words he tried and wanted to 'marry you off' like a possession that he owned in accordance with his religious beliefs, and apparently theres nothing wrong with that according to a lot of people 'because the Royal Family also have arranged marriages'.
my story, exactly the same. Unfortunately, as you mention even therapist do not understand. I learned to be careful to who I am telling what.