History Primer 168: British Enfield MkI Documentary

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  • Опубліковано 16 вер 2024

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  • @GliderBane
    @GliderBane Рік тому +133

    I makes me sad that episodes on obscure firearms get fewer views. I learn more from these episodes and I enjoy them more. Keep up the fantastic work.

    • @mikepette4422
      @mikepette4422 Рік тому +6

      i know what you are saying. In fact I could care less about a 1911 episode and thats gonna be a huge one.

    • @jezjukes
      @jezjukes Рік тому +4

      From the sounds of it, people aren't too fond of these, but it's the reason I'm here. Embarrassingly I've lost touch with this channel, I'll try not to do so again.

    • @tenofprime
      @tenofprime Рік тому +3

      Same here, while I love the videos on stuff everyone knows (1903, SMLE & the 1911 in the works) the oddball or never heard of ones are the ones I enjoy more. I still hope they can one day find a St Etienne 1907 to play with as that is one clockwork of a machine gun.

    • @tenofprime
      @tenofprime Рік тому +2

      @@mikepette4422 what I an looking forward to on the 1911 is all the little crazy bits they will tell us about a gun we know already.

    • @SonOfTheDawn515
      @SonOfTheDawn515 Рік тому +1

      @@mikepette4422 couldn't care less*

  • @alfheim7579
    @alfheim7579 Рік тому +183

    It feels weird for an episode not to release in the middle of the night.

    • @alcedob.5850
      @alcedob.5850 Рік тому +6

      It's middle of the night for me...

    • @muleteam66
      @muleteam66 Рік тому +5

      ☝️☝️ what they said.

    • @tiberiussulla183
      @tiberiussulla183 Рік тому +2

      It's depends where your living

    • @silmarian
      @silmarian Рік тому +1

      Same tho. Usually this is my bedtime watching the day it comes out.

    • @Moondog66602
      @Moondog66602 Рік тому +1

      Usually comes out between midnight and 6am, Texas time

  • @charlesashworth6805
    @charlesashworth6805 Рік тому +67

    The unnecessary amount of complication of this revolver would make John Pederson jealous
    Also keep going with unknown firearms I love these episodes

    • @jonrolfson1686
      @jonrolfson1686 Рік тому +14

      Pedersen would have tried to smooth out the awkward leverage and drag points with a few more carefully nested coil springs.

    • @FailedRanger
      @FailedRanger Рік тому +1

      Now that is my favorite replt

    • @tjfritts9013
      @tjfritts9013 Рік тому +3

      Feels like a bunch of machinists designed this at 9:30PM on a Thursday, just chilling in the workshop over some beers and then the "theoretical idea of how cutesy it could be designed" was interrupted by some dimwit starting to machine the parts to actually make it. They're trying to come up with ludicrous cutesy, but Mr. Nine Beers In started making it and nobody wanted to bump his buzz by telling him they were just screwing around.

  • @theogeitondasamphilochos5630
    @theogeitondasamphilochos5630 Рік тому +45

    41:34 - me: disgusted
    41:38 - me: suffered in clonic pain
    41:57 - me: suffered in absolute acute pain in which poor cartridges, which were jammed into cylinder with brute force and probably deformed into some bad shapes as a result, poor gun and its user was suffered
    I now learned that SA80 is definitely not the first disaster Enfield caused...

    • @aker1993
      @aker1993 Рік тому +10

      The problem with Enfield is that their engineers are just engineers unlike some gun companies in America or even in continental Europe that are engineers that also are gunsmiths and avid shooters.

  • @reidhampton6799
    @reidhampton6799 Рік тому +34

    That’s crazy, I am a cadet at VMI and my dad and I have been our firearms museum here on campus numerous times. We have seen the tranters, RIC, and other arms from your videos in there. Also, in a past video you mentioned looking for a Colt produced potato digger, there is one on display here. Thank you for all of your work, I watch all of your videos.

    • @akatripclaymore.9679
      @akatripclaymore.9679 Рік тому +3

      @ reid hampton' Is it chambered for .303 or 30/06 Sir? I didn't know Colt produced any early Machine gun's for Britain. I Do Own a .303 Pattern 14 made by Winchester for 🇬🇧 America adopted the design in our 1917 enfield, 30/06 they are both VERY accurate Rifle's and a few were scoped Sniper Rifle's.
      One drawback was they only held 5 round's unlike the SMLE' also Britain didn't like the fact ( it is a True Mauser action) Therefore they never referred to it as an Enfield. Lol🤔

    • @Candrsenal
      @Candrsenal  Рік тому +8

      send along our thanks

  • @oleukeman
    @oleukeman Рік тому +5

    Another example of “design by committee”, rarely a good idea. Thanks for another interesting, informative video.

  • @r2crowseye
    @r2crowseye Рік тому +20

    How far we've come from fresh faced Mae 'I'm a revolver girl' to now 'Another wheel gun?' 🤣🤣

  • @richhardie6897
    @richhardie6897 Рік тому +12

    Just bought two cans of Ballistol from Green Top in Richmond VA that I didn’t really need (yet) in honor of the fact they are supporting my favorite UA-cam channel. (You edged Ian out only because he, as far as I am aware, has never used penguins or Guinea Pigs in his videos)

    • @tomhenry897
      @tomhenry897 Рік тому

      Gunshops here don’t carry it
      Going have to mail order

    • @Candrsenal
      @Candrsenal  Рік тому +3

      God I love the Green Top

  • @SlavicCelery
    @SlavicCelery Рік тому +24

    I've understood for a long time that, top break revolvers were more susceptible to timing issues and breakages. Never before, have I seen such a good explanation for why that could be the case. I see why making one strong is quite a challenge.

    • @tenofprime
      @tenofprime Рік тому +2

      Yep, top break revolvers are cool and fast but it is easy to see why they fell out of favor. I would still love to have one dispite the impractical stuff

  • @Voelund
    @Voelund Рік тому +3

    I use Ballistol to coat the blades ov my knife collection and to polish the blades from time to time. No complaint.

  • @Primarch359
    @Primarch359 Рік тому +23

    HMS Excellent still exists and Tom Scott did a cool video on their ship damage control simulator.

  • @anti5091
    @anti5091 Рік тому +7

    Always a great day whenever a new C&Rsenal video pops up in my feed. Great work as always!

  • @illegalclown
    @illegalclown Рік тому +4

    I thought maybe I had my days mixed up when I didn't wake up to a new episode this morning.

  • @spokanesurvivaltrainingand5797

    I love that ballistol is such a quiet and reliable company

  • @danielr.8044
    @danielr.8044 Рік тому +6

    I am very here for new info and well researched information. Keep up the great work!

  • @tombogan03884
    @tombogan03884 Рік тому +6

    I'm fascinated by your dive into the REVOLVER history.

  • @SlavicCelery
    @SlavicCelery Рік тому +3

    Huzzah new episode... Guess I'll have to watch it a second time tonight. So that way I can fall asleep midway through; as is tradition.

  • @JosipRadnik1
    @JosipRadnik1 Рік тому +11

    Would be interesting to compare this system to the Melvin Hulbert Revolver. This had an extraction system that was quite similar in many ways. Also the Thomas Revolver comes to mind, but that's a rare bird.

  • @michaelrieber4858
    @michaelrieber4858 Рік тому +2

    I like how you dive into the rare and/or obscure guns. Keep up the good work

  • @Frank-bc8gg
    @Frank-bc8gg Рік тому +4

    A two shot .450/577 pistol? I really hope that you guys get your hands on one because that seems terrifying and fantastic.

  • @b1laxson
    @b1laxson Рік тому +3

    Now that's a proper product placement. We are using it cause its good and this how you should use it.

    • @jpkalishek4586
      @jpkalishek4586 Рік тому +4

      Yeah, they had product placement before backing by the product. Always a good sign it isn't BS

  • @nothim7321
    @nothim7321 Рік тому +7

    Was not expecting this. Merry Tuesday day release everyone!!!

  • @billshepherd4331
    @billshepherd4331 Рік тому +5

    The Merwin & Hulbert did it so much better!
    But I would still love to own one.
    You two & your crew do great work, please keep it up!

  • @HereticalKitsune
    @HereticalKitsune Рік тому +2

    So hyped for the full story after watching the Royal Armories video!

  • @Joe5561000
    @Joe5561000 Рік тому +3

    I don't remember if you guys have covered it, but the Merwin Hulbert loads from the gate and ejects in a similar way as this. I was actually surprised you didn't mention it.

  • @coldandaloof7166
    @coldandaloof7166 Рік тому +6

    Hey Othias, with all the research on this gun you should do a short book and submit it to Headstamp on just this gun. If only you knew someone over there to help you out with it.

  • @michaelmorley7719
    @michaelmorley7719 Рік тому +2

    I have very little interest in revolvers, and if it weren't for C&Rsenal I wouldn't know an Abadie from Abbot & Costello, but you do such a good job telling the story of these old wheelguns that I watch every episode and thoroughly enjoy it.

    • @tenofprime
      @tenofprime Рік тому +1

      That is the sign of a truly skilled telling of history. Othias and the team could make a video about paint drying fun to watch with all the historical details they would discuss during it.

  • @ronjohnson6406
    @ronjohnson6406 Рік тому +1

    Awesome that Ballistol sponsored the show. I have considered Ballistol for quite sometime, but thanks to Othais's "Paul Harvey" level of pluggery. I have to try it now.

  • @robertsantamaria6857
    @robertsantamaria6857 Рік тому +3

    The first 10 minutes is an amazing journey into the wonderful world military procurement. And then it gets weirder. How has this not been made as a British comedy sketch.

  • @SamGray
    @SamGray Рік тому +4

    Comment to show that I love top-break revolvers even though I understand the mechanical and holster issues.

    • @rdrrr
      @rdrrr Рік тому +1

      Would love a high-quality modern top-break revolver in .357 Magnum - I think it's possible to make the frame strong enough with modern production techniques. If not, .44 Special would be an interesting proposition.
      But I guess there's just no market for it, even as a bespoke piece with an equally bespoke price tag.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise Рік тому

      @@rdrrr With modern materials and production it would be trivial to make strong enough
      But it wouldn't have enough demand to be worthwhile. And with the reliability of modern swing-out revolvers, what practical benefit does it have?

  • @rmod42
    @rmod42 Рік тому +1

    This series on revolvers (and particularly this episode) has been fascinating. Its been wonderful to see in depth material on the guns that, to me, have always been footnotes on the way to the Webly in British service

  • @compwiz101
    @compwiz101 Рік тому +1

    "Gun youtube" is often a phrase that brings a very different sort of picture to mind than what we get from the thoughtful documentation (and occasionally, experimental archeology!) that we gain from channels like C&Rsenal and Forgotten weapons - like the "Project Lightning" series to add context and modern documentation to the questions of "How *DID* these work in practice, anyways?"
    It's one thing to read in a memo somewhere "The ejector was replaced with a conventional break-open action for ease of use" but to *see* a Mk1 crack open, followed by the shaking, wiggling, and possibly cursing really tells you a lot more about what engineers (and soldiers) were facing back then!

    • @Reepicheep-1
      @Reepicheep-1 Рік тому

      And this cursing is in near-perfect conditions. Things were likely more complicated with mud, explosions, and darkness.

  • @itatane
    @itatane Рік тому +12

    Othais, not gonna lie, the whole flow chart was brilliant, but I still have a headache trying to follow the story. I can't even begin to imagine how much of a pain in the tuckus this was for you. I don't know if you imbibe spirituous drinks, but I am sipping a mug of Hot Buttered Blackstrap Rum and Coffee on your behalf... Cheers!

    • @TheWalterKurtz
      @TheWalterKurtz Рік тому +2

      I had to back this one up several times. And several times in the same spot in several places.

  • @Eulemunin
    @Eulemunin Рік тому +3

    I enjoy the more obscure firearms. Especially with the beards dedication to the history. More context!

  • @johndallman2692
    @johndallman2692 Рік тому +3

    The night-time shot was excellent. Please keep doing this for black powder guns.

  • @Odin029
    @Odin029 Рік тому +6

    Wait a minute... what sort of bizarro world am I in. I see a C&Rsenal primer video post and the sun's still shining! Should I watch it now, or wait until tonight?

  • @rodwilson6648
    @rodwilson6648 Рік тому +8

    Just on the problems with the cartridge extraction, especially when one or more cartridges are unfired. I think it may have become slightly less a problem after the MkIII cartridge was introduced from late 1881. The MkIII had an oversized bulbous projectile of .477 which fitted much firmly in the cylinder and when the revolver was opened didn't drop out quite so easily. It was likely developed to attempt to solve the extraction issues identified in your video. In any case the whole revolver wasn't very good. There's a saying that a camel is a horse designed by a committee. I've always considered the Enfield revolver to be the firearm equivalent.

    • @51WCDodge
      @51WCDodge Рік тому

      No the Enfield revolver is more a Military Design Mouse- The rest of the world calls it , an elephant! 😁

  • @mikepette4422
    @mikepette4422 Рік тому +3

    Caught the Royal Armouries episode on this gun. Jonathon did a good set up for us all.

  • @johnfisk811
    @johnfisk811 Рік тому

    Regarding the grip, one must remember that this was for personal defence but principally for the cavalry. Firstly it would be drawn from the service holster which is designed around security and protection rather than a fast draw. Secondly the cavalry would be wearing gloves. The first will put the hand pulling the revolver’s grip upwards and not pushing it into the web. Thus the hand will end up lower on the grip as when May adjusted her grip to reach the trigger. In the second the gloved hand will fill the grip more fully and partially explain the knuckle choice. In no way was it expected to be used in a quick snatch from the holster. Troops operate as a group and engage as a group so the revolver will be expected to be drawn as a preparation to engage. The French army doctrine had no need for safety catches as rifles were carried unloaded and would be loaded only upon the officer’s command for the same reason. A quick snatch draw from an open holster is an American aberration whereas the period service holster around the world incorporated a covering flap. Lovely work Othias. Thank you so much for the hard research work you must have put into this.

  • @cheesenoodles8316
    @cheesenoodles8316 Рік тому +1

    I have learned so much about revolvers, the lock work, hands, designer names....give me a test. Yes I would fail. I can shoot em, load em n love em. This is so much in the weeds...I like it.

  • @davidkohler7454
    @davidkohler7454 Рік тому

    It doesn't matter what I'm doing, whenever I hear those first few string notes at the beginning of this show, my demeanor changes to a very pleasant anticipation. And I'm ready to watch and learn. Thank you guys for the quality content.

  • @desert_jin6281
    @desert_jin6281 Рік тому +1

    This episode is on par with all the others - excellent ! Thank you !

  • @henryroberts7098
    @henryroberts7098 Рік тому

    Thank you. I have seen these advertised here but never knew why they had the triangular cut out in the front of the frame. I just assumed they opened like a normal top break. Now it all makes sense.

  • @chrisohnemus7979
    @chrisohnemus7979 Рік тому +1

    Outstanding information thank you.
    I shoot my mk1 and mk2 frequently. Its not overly painful and the novelty outweighs the weirdness.
    The Wilkinson Howdah pistols are relatively common. Mine has full 2 inch Snider chambers. Now that is fun

  • @c4feg4r44
    @c4feg4r44 Рік тому

    i have no special interest in guns, but you made it interesting.
    I love it when pasionate people go all in. its a joy to watch no matter if you are in that field or not.

  • @Z09SS
    @Z09SS Рік тому +3

    This unknown stuff is what I'm paying for, dunno about everyone else.
    I dabble with alternate histories and this is fuel for equipping the characters.

  • @jonathanhudak2059
    @jonathanhudak2059 Рік тому

    Such a cool, complex and bizarre looking revolver But that's what I love about it! Such a fascinating design from another time. I really like how the hinge/pivot point is at the front of the frame forward of the cylinder and thus creating that "triangle" of space as Othias referred to it as. So cool and I can't believe how much behind the scenes research that you have to do. Amazing, great episode, thank you guys!

  • @akatripclaymore.9679
    @akatripclaymore.9679 Рік тому +2

    Thank you for the history lesson on British Revolvers.

  • @rickyokogawa6154
    @rickyokogawa6154 Рік тому +3

    I always look forward to each episode! It’s great to know how firearms how evolved. The early revolvers look so “steam punk”!

  • @junglesairsoftblog6311
    @junglesairsoftblog6311 Рік тому

    Love these primers almost as much as the podcasts!

  • @PajamaPantsStudios
    @PajamaPantsStudios Рік тому

    Good lord I love the dedication to lesser known revolvers in this show. I’ve gained such an appreciation for the different lockwork of revolvers, it’s INSANE

  • @Roddy556
    @Roddy556 Рік тому +2

    Was looking forward to this one.

  • @William_Bryant
    @William_Bryant Рік тому +2

    I think this is the only time I’ve ever seen Mae not absolutely ecstatic about shooting.

  • @chefemilj
    @chefemilj Рік тому

    Thank you for your hard work

  • @terrysmith7751
    @terrysmith7751 Рік тому +1

    A nice grouping br Mae, shooting rapidly with the double action.

  • @somefool4625
    @somefool4625 Рік тому

    New info on old stuff is awesome.

  • @kregchrist2826
    @kregchrist2826 Рік тому

    you guys are my heroes thank you so much for all the work you do

  • @Mzerron
    @Mzerron Рік тому

    This is one I have been waiting for! EXCELLENT!

  • @BHuang92
    @BHuang92 Рік тому +5

    In my opinion, the Enfield revolver is very steampunk!

  • @coldandaloof7166
    @coldandaloof7166 Рік тому

    Thank you Ballistol, getting some for stocking stuffers

  • @stamfordly6463
    @stamfordly6463 Рік тому +2

    It's worth pointing out that Prince George was the Duke of Cambridge and was notoriously averse to change so for himof all peopleto decide that revolvers were needed then the clamour for them would need to be deafening.

  • @Gunner40Five
    @Gunner40Five Рік тому +1

    Excellent job guys! Keep up the good work.

  • @T30-z5w
    @T30-z5w Рік тому

    I like the efficiency of top breaks. I recall years ago having some old US commercial examples and all of them had issues. Very delicate system at least with the metallurgy of the late 19th and early 20th century.

  • @mikepette4422
    @mikepette4422 Рік тому +2

    You just KNOW that the reason behind some hoity toity general submitting a 2 shot pistol in .450 Martini or .577 ( good god) was because they were avid big game hunters and had thought well if my .577 Howdah pistol is good enough for killing tigers well it's certainly good enough for my sharp dressed boys in the cavalry...Nothing is too good for them !

  • @timblack6422
    @timblack6422 Рік тому

    Outstanding!! A release on my Birthday!! Thank you!

  • @ZGryphon
    @ZGryphon Рік тому +2

    Ha! I was _just_ looking at the channel page thinking, "Huh, that's weird. They usually go up first thing in the morning, I hope everything's OK." Anxiety resolved. :)

  • @damonharrison2614
    @damonharrison2614 Рік тому +1

    Thanks!

  • @sputnikjones6838
    @sputnikjones6838 10 місяців тому

    I just bought a can of Ballistol because of your recommendation. I mostly use Rem Oil and Hoppies .Ballistol is not as available but that can should last me

  • @Hallacairion
    @Hallacairion Рік тому +1

    Regarding ballistol the cool thing is that the standard formula is actually completly harmless to your body.
    You can even drink it if you want theres plenty of old people in switzerland doing that.
    even though I dont know how they handle the smell of it.

  • @REXOB9
    @REXOB9 Рік тому

    Thanks to Balistol for the support. Other uses? makes a great beard oil ;-)

  • @ashleysmith3106
    @ashleysmith3106 Рік тому

    I saw one once at a club display next to my "Montenegrin" Gasser; both are a fairly similar size, from memory !

  • @TheWalterKurtz
    @TheWalterKurtz Рік тому +1

    Seems like a lot of work for what they got. But that's the way the evolution of contraptions work.

  • @alliwantisfinancialstabili7414

    HOLY COW I JUST REALIZED THE C&RSENAL LOGO ISN'T JUST A BOOK IT'S ACTUALLY A CLIP AS WELL

  • @Garden-Guns
    @Garden-Guns Рік тому +2

    I love Ballistol!

    • @ericmckinley7985
      @ericmckinley7985 Рік тому +2

      I add it to my humidifier so I can properly huff it while tending to my Minecraft farm.

  • @SonOfTheDawn515
    @SonOfTheDawn515 Рік тому +1

    It baffles me it took us so long to figure out the swing out cylinder with ejector.

    • @88porpoise
      @88porpoise Рік тому

      Because it is actually pretty hard to do. Having the cylinder reliably swing out and back in without affecting the alignment or timing of the revolver was far from trivial for 19th century manufacturing.

  • @robertfox1401
    @robertfox1401 Рік тому

    That gun makes such a lovely thumping sound

  • @DirtyFrigginHarry
    @DirtyFrigginHarry Рік тому +1

    "Hey it's well into the repeating cartridge firearm era. Can we stop using muzzleloading single shot handguns and carbines?"
    "Maybe"
    *rejects a dozen repeating handguns and sticks with the muzzleloaders for almost 30 years and then gives them this monstrosity*

  • @PLAYINGAROUND
    @PLAYINGAROUND Рік тому +1

    I wonder if the high knuckle/long grip is a nod to the gloved hand of a cavalryman???

  • @51WCDodge
    @51WCDodge Рік тому

    A classic British Design Military Mouse- Known to the rest of the world as , an Elephant. The War Office wanted to design a new type of military horse, and came up with a camel. So saying the British Officer Pattern Saddle is still widley used throughout the world. The Royal Navy were actually the most go ahead arm of the British military, including being the first to think of armoured cars and tanks.

  • @jorgechalub8930
    @jorgechalub8930 Рік тому +3

    Muy bueno tu vídeo saludos desde Argentina

  • @j.sagiechode
    @j.sagiechode Рік тому

    That little spring could do two things, help the hand, and help reset the trigger full forward.

  • @Sir_Pleasant
    @Sir_Pleasant Рік тому

    25:48 When you’re about to say “weird” but decide to say “odd” instead.

  • @keithplymale2374
    @keithplymale2374 Рік тому

    I have very much enjoyed this trip through the history of revolvers other than the Colt 1873 that were out around the same time.

  • @johnfisk811
    @johnfisk811 Рік тому

    Watching using subtitles I was so amused by the start. “Hi I’m Odious and….”

  • @TrentTheWanderer
    @TrentTheWanderer Рік тому +2

    God these are so satisfying!

  • @niklasaskham4208
    @niklasaskham4208 Рік тому

    I was getting worried. Much love ❤

  • @JerryEricsson
    @JerryEricsson 6 місяців тому

    AT LAST! A man with more first names then mine! I am Jerry Arthur Gordon Ericsson, named for a character out of my eldest sisters reading book "Alice and Jerry" my Grandfather Arthur and my father Gordon. Dad being a first generation Swedish American.

  • @shootingwithmitch5921
    @shootingwithmitch5921 Рік тому

    Great vid as always!

  • @badopinionsrighthere
    @badopinionsrighthere Рік тому

    You've had a lot of firearms on here that are really weird, but I think this one truly deserves the descriptor "contraption."

  • @jonathan1606
    @jonathan1606 Рік тому

    CONGRATS on getting a sponsor :D

  • @ch319ris
    @ch319ris Рік тому

    Love you guys! Keep being awesome.

  • @jonrolfson1686
    @jonrolfson1686 Рік тому +1

    Makes one wonder what sort of simple, smoothly functioning revolvers would have eventuated had John Moses Browning been commercially involved in revolver design.

  • @johannfwengelbrecht7178
    @johannfwengelbrecht7178 Рік тому

    In terms of "What the good Geian grief were they thinking?" this makes the Reichrevolver look like a well-thought-out, rational decision.
    But it is gorgeous.

  • @francesconicoletti2547
    @francesconicoletti2547 Рік тому +1

    This gun has to be a Welsh, American, Belgian plot to cripple British gun making.

  • @danscott3880
    @danscott3880 Рік тому +1

    Watched Johnathan on his last video he mentioned you would be doing this episode

  • @fasdaVT
    @fasdaVT Рік тому +1

    From the way may was holding for a second it looked like it was almost as wide as her shoulders.

  • @blip_bloop
    @blip_bloop Рік тому

    I've been window shopping for an Enfield revolver. My broke ass appreciates your content

  • @samuelbrigham-mclellan8929
    @samuelbrigham-mclellan8929 Рік тому

    I love the title "History Merchant"

  • @garethfergusson9538
    @garethfergusson9538 Рік тому +1

    Owen Jones... Some say he came from Wales... With the most Welsh name ever 😂

  • @brianfoster4434
    @brianfoster4434 Рік тому +1

    Johnathan's videos are good. But he really needs a 4K camera and ring light.