I added the T-lock kit to my sport and it really opened its capability up. Using the locked front and open rear acts like a dig in a lot of situations. With overdrive the steering is a little tighter too.
The Startup of the tekin system looks pretty rough, especially with a 9 tooth pinion. Stock is a 15 and with my Castle it starts moving very smooth. Also the axial tires are not very competitive, dont you think?
Good stuff! The Sport is my first crawler. Was always more of a basher guy and honestly enjoy crawling much more than I expected. Think the Phoenix portal will be my next. Really like all the silly tricks it has and I think it looks killer! Btw, most crawling channels are a bit on the boring side to watch. You do a great job here though. I think I learn as much about technique as I do the trucks. Plus your scenery just can’t be beat! Keep up the good work!
Not to sound like a moron, but how do you get under drive on the axle? I thought you could only under drive from the trans. Excellent vid once again. I know this is an older video but I'm going back through them and watching as many as I can.
I been waiting for my sport body to die and put a power wagon on it and shorten the rear, but I am gonna do the front first now, hadn't ever thought of that, thanks!!
@@TheAudave That he does. Of course, the Phoenix has new portals, tons of clearance, a 2-speed, dig and selectable overdrive. In my mind, the TRX4 did extremely well, with a single speed and no dig (upgrades aside). Oh, and I own the Ultra so, not a Traxxas fan boy 👍
Because you don't need the most expensive rig to be a capable crawler. Just like in the real world man, used to out wheel guy's in their $100K trucks in my '83 Yota and lemme tell ya they got pissed!
Nice shoot out. Really enjoy the channel. The Vanquish has a long list of tricks but for a 499 kit that can handle the same run as a trx4 sport . I have to give the TRX4 a huge 👍. It's totally capable rig and is still o e of the top crawlers just for price to performance . Vanquish is still awesome though just need to decide witch of my kids really don't need to go to college the I'm getting mine. 🙃
I agree and feel that was the point of the comparison. $369 vs $900ish (with upgrades / electronics) and still not a decisive victory. It’s a cool rig for certain…is it cool enough for your hard earned $ is the question. Very cool comparison 👍
Are we forgetting this is a heavily modified TRX4? Bigger tires, forklift upgrade of all electronics, body cut, items removed etc. If the Vanquish had larger tires, it would be game over. This "battle" came down to driver error. (No offense my man.) I do think the TRX4 is a very competent truck, I just wish TraxASS would come into the new age with their electronics! I don't think it's right to have to buy a $400-500 rig and know right away you have to ditch the ESC and Servo bare minimum.
After watching all of your TRX-4 Sport videos, I kinda want one now……also makes me want to put a stock front ring and pinion into the Telluride I modified for trail/crawling work and leave the brushed Stampede 4x4 gears I swapped in it 7 years ago to see how much better that would work.
I love all your videos. They have loads of information and opinions in them. Have you ever thought about running the chest mount for your go pro so you could utilize both hands for when you need to use rear steer or better control? Either way great content.
Would be nice have a ready to run scale crawler class ,allowed to change only a few parts like steering servo and tires (from a tires list) no weights allowed ,no change in suspension and link position,Motor and esc no brushless no battery position change,no shell change and no cutting ,only 2s.A "drivers" class not have the best trucks class.
I'm debating between a TRX sport or a slash ultimate, totally different I know but I've never had either. There is a used slash ultimate 4x4 with extras for $250 or a TRX sport, new with aftermarket wheels and upgrades for $350. What would yall get?
Living in one of the most flat countries in the world this place is crawler heaven! Over here building a artificial course is about the only option for real crawling 😢 Nice comparison. Have fun
That dig setup is awesome but both of my TRX-4s can accomplish "almost" the same result by unlocking both diffs while turning. I want a Phoenix though, not gonna lie..
Love the channel and this video. Next time you compare 2 trucks you might think about using the same set of wheels and tires on both. Will make it easier to pick a clear winner.
But this is how I set each truck up. The Phoenix needs the firmer tire and the Traxxas the softer. Each gets an advantage with a specific combo. I’m not really trying to say either is better here. Mostly showing the differences and having fun
Great video Logan, as always very informative and entertaining. With all the extra functions of the Phoenix i was a little surprised that it didn't do better. Go Traxxas.
Awesome vid man! I know it’s not your typical video but I was wondering if you could do a maintenance video for the trx4 or any of your RC’s. Like what grease you use and after run routine. Video would be awesome or a dm lol
Cool video Logan, I'm interested to know being an Aussie and our prices are jacked up here but would you have about the same in money in both trucks if they had the same motor/esc and steering servo? I thought they'd be close without the more pricey Tekin gear.. Cheers mate 👍
New subscriber here! Even though the portal had more functionality than the sport, the sport still won that. you were also at a disadvantage on the sport steering
Awesome shootout! I really liked this video when you compare the TRX4 vs Pheonix. I think this is the comparison in many people’s minds. I wouldn’t mind another. Nice work man! Keep it up! 👍👍
Nice comparison. For the money I’d take the Traxxas! I had a feeling it would do better but that dig feature on the Phoenix is awesome. Maybe go bigger tires & high clearance links on the Phoenix it’s just dragging to much. The Phoenix seems like more of a trail truck with crawler type features like the dig & seems to be in the middle of no man’s land. None the less it’s awesome. It was going to be my next RC but I don’t have a buggy in my collection & after seeing the new Capra in action I got one & it’s coming tomorrow so I’m pretty happy right now & can’t wait to get some time on it. Love all the videos though keep up the good work I’m always looking forward to seeing your channel & videos. Defense one of my top 3 channels.
Many thanks! Yeah the Phoenix has all the tools I want but comes at the cost of weight which holds it back. The more stripped down TRX4 lacking features and excess weight can keep up with the Phoenix it’s an interesting fight for sure.
Use a cork hack we posted for steering 😂😂 Some how my husband put the flat edge of champagne cork to wheel and electrical taped it to it🤩 Nice terrain and trucks
I have had the same problem in the past. When adding weight and Brass spacers and so on... the stock plastic panhard bracket will Flex and affect your steering range horribly. A high-power Servo makes it even worse. I bought alloy front shock hoops with a built on panhard bracket. This resolved the issue. Not to mention if your truck is taking a hard fall it often will crack panhard bracket, creating massive understeer. Hope this helps somebody out😊
don't you feel that putting a underdrive in the rear is defeating the purpose of 4 wheel drive? i mean you are in a constant lost of traction and your motor is working a whole lot harder and your drive train is always in a bind or fighting each other for priority for the front or the rear. Wouldn't having unlocking and locking diffs be a way better option so that you can control where you want the slip to occur thus making climbing easier especially lets say that you are locking a wheel up between rocks then you can unlock the diff and let the other spill while the front pulls your out or the rear push's you out. i can only see one real advantage with doing with under/over drive if you are trying to get the front over a lip and pull you over if you have 4 wheel drive but then you could just unlock the rear diff to do the same and let the front hook and pull you out and then activate the rear locker. what are your thoughts?
On the trx. Need to shave your plastic c-hubs. And install a lay down servo mount or a 3D printed servo on axle mount on the trx. Also a little under/overdrive on the trx will help your steering right now on stock servo mount your steering is very limited. And your c-hubs are hitting your knuckles. Trx is a proven champ. I run 3 rigs trx based and one of them still running stock rails and stock transmission. She’s a killer
Great Vid - love your loaction!! You're at a disadvantage using your controller single handed. Would like to see the next one with go pro/iphone controller mount to allow you more concentration haha. I have a Sport with a Homes SVH800 and mini 4s pack right up front running it, plus a HH Crawlmaster Sport 8T/ HW 1080p - relatively cheap mods make the Sport quite capable. The Phoenix is a puzzle to be solved!
I have a TRX4 Sport that I built from the kit. I've added a little brass (outer portal covers and caster blocks up front). I hacked the roof rack which made a big difference and I raised the bumpers and think I'll raise the side rails. Now I'm wondering about over/underdrive gears. Wondering if I should do both for a max 27%. I really only crawl. My trailing is just getting the truck to the crawl spot. The Phoenix looks cool as an all rounder and that dig is really cool. I might have to get me one.
How is this a fair comparison? You put a set of cheap RTR tires on the Vanquish and expect this to be the same thing? Do it with the same tires, ESC and motor on both and we can see what the Stock kit can do against a modified TRX4 chassis. I applaud your attempt as you try to make it like the TRX4 was somewhat equally prepared.
Traxxas TRX 4 sport I refer to as the king a homes hobby servo and front and rear winch it slays em all down 300to 3000 it's da king for a reason nice video Logan 🚜🚙🚚
Interesting test and also interesting to see you using the scx 10:3 tires, I just can't get them to work for me but it seems you've almost worn out yours
I added the T-lock kit to my sport and it really opened its capability up. Using the locked front and open rear acts like a dig in a lot of situations. With overdrive the steering is a little tighter too.
I never thought about that. Nice!
The Startup of the tekin system looks pretty rough, especially with a 9 tooth pinion. Stock is a 15 and with my Castle it starts moving very smooth. Also the axial tires are not very competitive, dont you think?
Thanks for sporting the UA lid!!!👊🏼👊🏼👊🏼
Utah Airguns is a great shop! Those dudes are awesome!
Good stuff!
The Sport is my first crawler. Was always more of a basher guy and honestly enjoy crawling much more than I expected. Think the Phoenix portal will be my next. Really like all the silly tricks it has and I think it looks killer!
Btw, most crawling channels are a bit on the boring side to watch. You do a great job here though. I think I learn as much about technique as I do the trucks. Plus your scenery just can’t be beat!
Keep up the good work!
I feel like some proper tires on the Pheniox would change the game.
Where was the tire causing an issue for the Phoenix? This truck does better on the firmer tire
@@westdesertwheeler Mama says factory tires are the Debble.
Quality action. Interesting watch!
Thanks!
Very enjoyable video!!! Thanks 👍
Great video, really liked the comparison! how much does the Phoenix weigh?
About 7lbs on average.
My bfg prolines are one the way i dont know why i have ignored them i have all others but them
How do your tires twist that much? Mine dont seem to either have enough weight or theyre not soft enough to conform like yours does.
Awesome video
Not to sound like a moron, but how do you get under drive on the axle? I thought you could only under drive from the trans. Excellent vid once again. I know this is an older video but I'm going back through them and watching as many as I can.
Next free mod cut the shit out if the chassis make it shorter like mine i did the front where it started to bend angle grinder lol
I been waiting for my sport body to die and put a power wagon on it and shorten the rear, but I am gonna do the front first now, hadn't ever thought of that, thanks!!
@@rogerdodger6888 no problem bro its better for approach angles and i would cut the rear to yust enough to clear when on a steep climb
Cool truck but with the price tag of 750 USD over here in Europe, yeah, no.
Hellll yaaaa
3:00 And that's why should have front bumper minimum
Sport win. Phoenix is too heavy
𝐢 𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐫𝐱-4
This is the way I like crawler comparisons done! They all are capable if set up correctly!
Not too shabby! A Sport, with none of the bells and whistles, beats the hottest truck in the hobby right now! 👍
Uh, he states in the first couple minutes the mods done to the TRX, hardly a stock truck. The Phoenix is even running rtr Axial tires lol
@@TheAudave That he does. Of course, the Phoenix has new portals, tons of clearance, a 2-speed, dig and selectable overdrive. In my mind, the TRX4 did extremely well, with a single speed and no dig (upgrades aside). Oh, and I own the Ultra so, not a Traxxas fan boy 👍
Because you don't need the most expensive rig to be a capable crawler. Just like in the real world man, used to out wheel guy's in their $100K trucks in my '83 Yota and lemme tell ya they got pissed!
Nice shoot out. Really enjoy the channel. The Vanquish has a long list of tricks but for a 499 kit that can handle the same run as a trx4 sport . I have to give the TRX4 a huge 👍. It's totally capable rig and is still o e of the top crawlers just for price to performance . Vanquish is still awesome though just need to decide witch of my kids really don't need to go to college the I'm getting mine. 🙃
Hahaha that’s a tough choice
I agree and feel that was the point of the comparison. $369 vs $900ish (with upgrades / electronics) and still not a decisive victory. It’s a cool rig for certain…is it cool enough for your hard earned $ is the question.
Very cool comparison 👍
@@michaellenheiser3157 TRX is the price you posted without upgrades, this one had brushless, new servo and a bunch of mods.
Are we forgetting this is a heavily modified TRX4? Bigger tires, forklift upgrade of all electronics, body cut, items removed etc. If the Vanquish had larger tires, it would be game over. This "battle" came down to driver error. (No offense my man.) I do think the TRX4 is a very competent truck, I just wish TraxASS would come into the new age with their electronics! I don't think it's right to have to buy a $400-500 rig and know right away you have to ditch the ESC and Servo bare minimum.
Excellent run ,, lots of respect to both rigs
Now lets see out of the box rtr comp..i bet..phoenix is best. 😊
After watching all of your TRX-4 Sport videos, I kinda want one now……also makes me want to put a stock front ring and pinion into the Telluride I modified for trail/crawling work and leave the brushed Stampede 4x4 gears I swapped in it 7 years ago to see how much better that would work.
Trx4 for the win plus 200 cheaper for the kit no wonder its the king
Good stuff. I'm sold on the vanquish Phoenix rtr. Thanks for the great vid. Liked and subscribed!
I love all your videos. They have loads of information and opinions in them. Have you ever thought about running the chest mount for your go pro so you could utilize both hands for when you need to use rear steer or better control? Either way great content.
All good but just seems like a battle of modded. Straight stock comparison runs would be nice Mods can get expensive so some run stock. Just a thought
Would be nice have a ready to run scale crawler class ,allowed to change only a few parts like steering servo and tires (from a tires list) no weights allowed ,no change in suspension and link position,Motor and esc no brushless no battery position change,no shell change and no cutting ,only 2s.A "drivers" class not have the best trucks class.
I'm debating between a TRX sport or a slash ultimate, totally different I know but I've never had either. There is a used slash ultimate 4x4 with extras for $250 or a TRX sport, new with aftermarket wheels and upgrades for $350.
What would yall get?
This has to be a hobby sport with competitions, right?
Living in one of the most flat countries in the world this place is crawler heaven! Over here building a artificial course is about the only option for real crawling 😢 Nice comparison. Have fun
That dig setup is awesome but both of my TRX-4s can accomplish "almost" the same result by unlocking both diffs while turning. I want a Phoenix though, not gonna lie..
What foams in the phoenix? Did I miss it? I haven't run r35s with decent foams. Love the looks of the grapplers though.
Love the channel and this video. Next time you compare 2 trucks you might think about using the same set of wheels and tires on both. Will make it easier to pick a clear winner.
But this is how I set each truck up. The Phoenix needs the firmer tire and the Traxxas the softer. Each gets an advantage with a specific combo. I’m not really trying to say either is better here. Mostly showing the differences and having fun
Great video Logan, as always very informative and entertaining. With all the extra functions of the Phoenix i was a little surprised that it didn't do better. Go Traxxas.
It'd be a more fair comparison if you weren't one handing it because in a competition you're not going to be one handing it
Awesome vid man! I know it’s not your typical video but I was wondering if you could do a maintenance video for the trx4 or any of your RC’s. Like what grease you use and after run routine. Video would be awesome or a dm lol
Cool comp!!! Pretty much a draw.🤘🤘🤘
Yes, agreed
Cool video Logan, I'm interested to know being an Aussie and our prices are jacked up here but would you have about the same in money in both trucks if they had the same motor/esc and steering servo? I thought they'd be close without the more pricey Tekin gear..
Cheers mate 👍
Junk tires on the vanquish they look good but preform poor. Great vid though
Not true. They work good on this truck. They need a heavier rig to make them perform
@@westdesertwheeler just my opinion and experience have a great day great video keep up the excellent work
What tires is the trx4 running?
What tires was them on the Traxxas what I want to know
I've always seen trxs as a trail truck not much of a crawler out the box
New subscriber here! Even though the portal had more functionality than the sport, the sport still won that. you were also at a disadvantage on the sport steering
Awesome shootout! I really liked this video when you compare the TRX4 vs Pheonix. I think this is the comparison in many people’s minds. I wouldn’t mind another. Nice work man! Keep it up! 👍👍
Thank you for introducing me to a great car! It's a great video.~~~^_^
sorry but I think these tests would have to be with original cars
Your videos are awesome man! And it’s even better that we are in the same state!
I figured the TRX4 would win but it did it with reduced steering! I think you should do a rematch with identical tires and the TRx4 steering fixed.
Each truck has its own tires for a reason. They are tuned for the truck
@@westdesertwheeler I agree with you but we know some viewers don't, that's what I was getting at.
I think proline tires would have made a world of difference for both. I could be wrong.
Nice comparison. For the money I’d take the Traxxas! I had a feeling it would do better but that dig feature on the Phoenix is awesome. Maybe go bigger tires & high clearance links on the Phoenix it’s just dragging to much. The Phoenix seems like more of a trail truck with crawler type features like the dig & seems to be in the middle of no man’s land. None the less it’s awesome. It was going to be my next RC but I don’t have a buggy in my collection & after seeing the new Capra in action I got one & it’s coming tomorrow so I’m pretty happy right now & can’t wait to get some time on it. Love all the videos though keep up the good work I’m always looking forward to seeing your channel & videos. Defense one of my top 3 channels.
Many thanks! Yeah the Phoenix has all the tools I want but comes at the cost of weight which holds it back. The more stripped down TRX4 lacking features and excess weight can keep up with the Phoenix it’s an interesting fight for sure.
Stock for stock, which one is more capable?
Use a cork hack we posted for steering 😂😂
Some how my husband put the flat edge of champagne cork to wheel and electrical taped it to it🤩
Nice terrain and trucks
Great video, I just started a channel. Having a blast for sure! Do you have any advice?
I have had the same problem in the past. When adding weight and Brass spacers and so on... the stock plastic panhard bracket will Flex and affect your steering range horribly. A high-power Servo makes it even worse. I bought alloy front shock hoops with a built on panhard bracket. This resolved the issue. Not to mention if your truck is taking a hard fall it often will crack panhard bracket, creating massive understeer. Hope this helps somebody out😊
i feel like the trx4 is the toyota of the rc lol
Can you list the TRX4 Mods with links here, too?
Sport for this little black Duck, all the way!!! 😎
I’m new to rock crawlers. Which of the trucks is superior? Seems like the phoenix is due to having more features!?
I love the stock Tires running on Vanquish Incision 1.9" Wheels and a little Lead in the front tires.
hey man just picked up my first crawler if you want to do some group rc crawling im right down the road from sandhollow
don't you feel that putting a underdrive in the rear is defeating the purpose of 4 wheel drive? i mean you are in a constant lost of traction and your motor is working a whole lot harder and your drive train is always in a bind or fighting each other for priority for the front or the rear. Wouldn't having unlocking and locking diffs be a way better option so that you can control where you want the slip to occur thus making climbing easier especially lets say that you are locking a wheel up between rocks then you can unlock the diff and let the other spill while the front pulls your out or the rear push's you out. i can only see one real advantage with doing with under/over drive if you are trying to get the front over a lip and pull you over if you have 4 wheel drive but then you could just unlock the rear diff to do the same and let the front hook and pull you out and then activate the rear locker. what are your thoughts?
We can tell which truck you really like. Didn't even set end points on the TRX4.
What wheels are you using on the Phoenix ? My Vanquish axles and wheel hexes aren’t shaped like anything that I have.
Amazing comparison brother! Thank you for sharing!🙏🏼🤙🏽💯🔥
Hey Logan can you tell me what settings or show me ,, what you run on the fusion 2in1. I need get mine tuned ..
You've crawled there before? Lol Nice spot
On the trx. Need to shave your plastic c-hubs. And install a lay down servo mount or a 3D printed servo on axle mount on the trx. Also a little under/overdrive on the trx will help your steering right now on stock servo mount your steering is very limited. And your c-hubs are hitting your knuckles. Trx is a proven champ. I run 3 rigs trx based and one of them still running stock rails and stock transmission. She’s a killer
On-axle servo mount?!?! Might as well just buy yourself a Slash or monster truck and go bashing.. That aint scale.
Hahahahhahaa, Although it did not go as you may have wished, thanks for busting myths.
Great Vid - love your loaction!! You're at a disadvantage using your controller single handed. Would like to see the next one with go pro/iphone controller mount to allow you more concentration haha. I have a Sport with a Homes SVH800 and mini 4s pack right up front running it, plus a HH Crawlmaster Sport 8T/ HW 1080p - relatively cheap mods make the Sport quite capable. The Phoenix is a puzzle to be solved!
Looks like an incredible course! I’d love to see another shoot out with similar setups
You’re in Luck!
@@westdesertwheeler looking forward to it!
Day 1 of asking for you to buy a micro crawler
I own one so there you go. Day 1 and done.
@@westdesertwheeler make a vid on it! I think it would be cool halving a different perspective on the trails.
I have a TRX4 Sport that I built from the kit. I've added a little brass (outer portal covers and caster blocks up front). I hacked the roof rack which made a big difference and I raised the bumpers and think I'll raise the side rails. Now I'm wondering about over/underdrive gears. Wondering if I should do both for a max 27%. I really only crawl. My trailing is just getting the truck to the crawl spot.
The Phoenix looks cool as an all rounder and that dig is really cool. I might have to get me one.
I give that one to the trx.
first time i came across ur channel subscribed after first video. wanted to see this shootout for a while.
why do most guys drive with one hand
I do it so I can film
Ditch the junk axial tires on the Phoenix and it would be much better then the trx4
Forget about the cars, I'm loving the hat!!!
How well do you think a lcg belly crawler with trx portals would work ????
How is this a fair comparison? You put a set of cheap RTR tires on the Vanquish and expect this to be the same thing? Do it with the same tires, ESC and motor on both and we can see what the Stock kit can do against a modified TRX4 chassis. I applaud your attempt as you try to make it like the TRX4 was somewhat equally prepared.
The vanquish did have dig and overdrive. You dont consider that an advantage in the Vanquishs favor?
portal kit or rtr straight axle phoenix?
also, I have a straight axle CJ, portal High Trail, and was leaning towards the kit as ive never built one. But not sure which way to go.
Trx4 all day
TRX 4 is a beast.
Try some anti-fomes helps with and Pro-Line trenchers
I love your videos!! The trx4 did pretty good
Yeah I want to see this love my pro, love to Get the Phoenix
what axle shafts are you using and where can i find them?
Traxxas TRX 4 sport I refer to as the king a homes hobby servo and front and rear winch it slays em all down 300to 3000 it's da king for a reason nice video Logan 🚜🚙🚚
Thanks for watching! What are you doing with a rear winch?
Amazing job bro good comparison
Interesting test and also interesting to see you using the scx 10:3 tires, I just can't get them to work for me but it seems you've almost worn out yours
Enjoyed watching the comparison.
awesome location ! nice video
Need to do same test with the same tires I hate those axial tires
I love the commentary you do in your films. Makes them really interesting 👍
Amazing video !!!!!! Great location
Trx my friend is TRX the best 4*4 by far
Not using the GT5 controller on the Sport, and not having Dig, was a disadvantage, but none the less the Sport shined!
P.S. Great Video 👍
The v notch is my favorite obstacle ...
The Phoenix is more of a trail Truck.
Nice control! A good place and a good car is perfect!👍
Nitto Trail Grappler really is a popular tread pattern