27.5" Vs 29" Mountain Bike Wheels | The MTB Wheel Size Debate

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  • Опубліковано 17 лют 2018
  • 27.5” Vs 29”, the debate that never dies, everyone seems to have something to say about which is fastest, or just which they like best. Neil offers up his thoughts on the matter and how both wheel sizes measure up against the clock.
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  • @jannisbulow2307
    @jannisbulow2307 6 років тому +1102

    doesnt matter what u ride so long as you are stoked everytime you come home to look at your beautiful bike

    • @PSNragglefraggle1
      @PSNragglefraggle1 6 років тому +16

      Got my old dream bike last year, a 2011 26` AM bike. It ain't the fastest but I f**king love riding it!

    • @danmiller7709
      @danmiller7709 6 років тому +1

      Fuel EX 8 27.5 and it’s amazing! Just so curious about what 29ers would feel like on the trail

    • @SuperKingoct
      @SuperKingoct 6 років тому +3

      Daniel Miller I ride a fuel ex 7 2017 and it converts I like 29ers but I’d like a 27.5 set because I like to do jumps.

    • @greenbow7888
      @greenbow7888 6 років тому +3

      Fall in love with bike more each day.

    • @ezrabegin8234
      @ezrabegin8234 5 років тому +1

      Same with me

  • @willmockel2914
    @willmockel2914 6 років тому +2175

    It's funny how the vid is about 27.5 vs 29 but the whole comment section is people defending 26

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 років тому +226

      Just so you remember it's not dead! 😉

    • @laneshirley3706
      @laneshirley3706 6 років тому +41

      Maybe Becuase it's the most playful feeling where size I own 26 inch and 27.5 and have riden 29er and I like 26 inch the best they are lighter stiffer and it makes tight stuff great they all have pros and cons but if I had too pick one wheel size it would be 27.5 plus

    • @SolidxSnakexDuke
      @SolidxSnakexDuke 6 років тому +7

      i have 3x26"bikes and 3x27,5" bikes and i like ride all of this but 29" bikes don´t fitt white me. iI have test 5 diverent bikes but its´t have a Feeling about i ride a trekking bike 4 me ..... i am 1.93m tall

    • @cooperalsop2228
      @cooperalsop2228 6 років тому +1

      Will Mockel ahaha ikr

    • @Hawlkeye-e9p
      @Hawlkeye-e9p 6 років тому +23

      26 is and was always the best size. Playful, stiff, durable, lighter, oh wait try our 29 and oh ya you need a new bike lol. So here is a guy that 5 foot 2 on a small with 29 in wheels lol wut????

  • @exactpeak5995
    @exactpeak5995 5 років тому +2302

    Everybody gangsta till the 26" shows up.

    • @McRemmyBaby
      @McRemmyBaby 4 роки тому +17

      Lmao

    • @Egir53
      @Egir53 4 роки тому +51

      i have a 28"

    • @schinagldaniel7752
      @schinagldaniel7752 4 роки тому +18

      @@Egir53 And you fucking love it, right?! LOL

    • @jmw708
      @jmw708 4 роки тому +186

      What about the 6'4" guy who comes in whipping around a 20" bmx? 🤣

    • @lapdheadquarters762
      @lapdheadquarters762 4 роки тому +38

      @@jmw708 You should be in prison for solicitation of murder.

  • @snacc9118
    @snacc9118 3 роки тому +361

    Can't wait for the 50" vs 54.5"

    • @TheJofrica
      @TheJofrica 3 роки тому +36

      All the comments will be about the 49”

    • @crackedcookies
      @crackedcookies 3 роки тому +6

      Isn't that a penny-farthing?

    • @michelmadaire257
      @michelmadaire257 3 роки тому

      How about the 6 inch !!!! lol.

    • @rex9003
      @rex9003 3 роки тому +5

      fuck you 544" is the best, you get the highest rollover

    • @Random-sx5rm
      @Random-sx5rm 3 роки тому

      @@rex9003 🤣😂

  • @l.voelker7519
    @l.voelker7519 5 років тому +454

    Two years ago the debate was '26vs27,5'. Soon we will be sending on penny farthings😂

    • @angeledduirbonesu1989
      @angeledduirbonesu1989 5 років тому +30

      Next debate will be 29" vs 36"

    • @noonehere4332
      @noonehere4332 4 роки тому +5

      Loi Angelo 36” vs penny farthing

    • @keirfarnum6811
      @keirfarnum6811 3 роки тому +3

      L. Voelker
      Dude! My buds were throwing huge airs on the penny farthings! It was MASSIVE! You haven’t table topped until you have table topped with a 92” front wheel!

    • @earthlungs3163
      @earthlungs3163 3 роки тому +1

      ummm, my name is earthlungs, not farthings...

    • @faizfarouk1139
      @faizfarouk1139 2 роки тому

      B

  • @davidmithen9223
    @davidmithen9223 6 років тому +1442

    As a 6’4” sized human, 29ers feel more normal, so wheel size is somewhat proportional to rider size. On 26” I feel like a circus bear!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 років тому +110

      Great point David (we'd love to see that)!

    • @tuetis
      @tuetis 6 років тому +181

      I like how you had to qualify yourself as a human. Like we were going to think you were a lizard or something hahaha

    • @trailrunnah8886
      @trailrunnah8886 6 років тому +27

      I'm 5'9 and love my 29er. I demoed a 27.5 and felt like I was on a kids bike. I haven't totally discounted them, perhaps a Large with a longer reach would have felt. Gotta say though, I'm excited that we now have 150, 160mm travel 29er choices.

    • @thorthor6257
      @thorthor6257 6 років тому +34

      Michael Smith i'm 6'2 and 27.5 still fits me😂😂

    • @trailrunnah8886
      @trailrunnah8886 6 років тому +2

      I just need to demo one again. The one I rode was maybe too small, I'm 5'9 so on the cusp of Large from Medium. I had rented a Medium, then we hit Captain Ahab in Moab. It was a Giant Trance, which was 150mil travel IIRC. It was great for the descents, but didn't feel like it climbed as well as my 29er. Plus I kept pedal striking like crazy. Just gotta get used to it, I guess. There are two newer 27.5 bikes out that I REALLY like.

  • @deficator750
    @deficator750 5 років тому +1259

    I don’t even have a bike why am i watching this

    • @yi-vanstudenov464
      @yi-vanstudenov464 5 років тому +16

      Snicker Doodle you can get a entry level hardtail for under 1000$

    • @Rob-ed8zk
      @Rob-ed8zk 5 років тому +55

      @@yi-vanstudenov464 I lol when I hear 1000 b/c I grew up with walmart bikes and never imagined a bike would cost that much...

    • @yi-vanstudenov464
      @yi-vanstudenov464 5 років тому +16

      Rob Shala proper full suspension bikes cost around 2500$-10000+ dollars

    • @kevinsantoso7430
      @kevinsantoso7430 4 роки тому +16

      @@yi-vanstudenov464 or a really cheap bike if you just want to ride your bike (by no means crazy dh or tricks), but if you just want to ride your bike on a small hill, or that gravely road, or just start riding, a $500 bike will serve you well.
      If you live in aussie, maybe try to look for a polygon bike online. I've seen some decent bikes with good reviews there, no promotion, just a suggestion :D
      Of course if you can spend more, maybe you should get a Giant or GT bike. In some place you can get diamondback's bike and they are a pretty good option too ;)

    • @yi-vanstudenov464
      @yi-vanstudenov464 4 роки тому +4

      Illya Laurette yeah gt bikes are a serious bang for the buck.

  • @francoisglemot7584
    @francoisglemot7584 3 роки тому +170

    Between 1.87kgs for the 27.5" and the 2.12kgs for the 29", it's not a 25g difference as you said but 250g

    • @d4rkside_europe564
      @d4rkside_europe564 2 роки тому +7

      And the 29" wheel set used a smaller tire too

    • @PixiiGER
      @PixiiGER 2 роки тому +13

      oh boy, that bugged me too!

    • @murrijuana2842
      @murrijuana2842 2 роки тому +1

      @@d4rkside_europe564 I don't think a bigger 29er tyre would fit on that bike.
      I don't think it was a great comparison.

    • @mafakka2
      @mafakka2 2 місяці тому

      He's American

  • @andybrown141
    @andybrown141 6 років тому +229

    Had a 29 for 7 years. Now have 27.5 for 2 years, still loving and riding it much more than I ever did 29er. But I ride strictly for fun, no racing.

  • @thomasgilleran8960
    @thomasgilleran8960 4 роки тому +638

    I just realized that the whole world, despite being metric, uses the American standard for wheels. Interesting how industry works...

    • @oz0912
      @oz0912 4 роки тому +85

      British imperial standard mate 🇬🇧🇺🇸

    • @bruceli9094
      @bruceli9094 4 роки тому +32

      Also phone display size. 6.4 inch smartphone.

    • @The44kGaming
      @The44kGaming 4 роки тому +20

      And TVs

    • @bruceli9094
      @bruceli9094 4 роки тому +57

      @@The44kGaming And cocks. Mines 10 inch monster

    • @The44kGaming
      @The44kGaming 4 роки тому

      @@bruceli9094 So what are you going to about it?

  • @thomasdc2439
    @thomasdc2439 5 років тому +4

    @Neil you should make a movie showing you on the trails. Your style is so silky smooth when you are shredding the trails. It looks so effortless and makes it extremely enjoyable to watch.

  • @invictus3598
    @invictus3598 3 роки тому +1

    Terrific 27.5" and 29" side-by-side wheel comparison review video. Great information! Thank you!

  • @src248
    @src248 6 років тому +562

    I've discovered from this comment section that a good portion of your audience haven't bought a new bike in many years

    • @raupenimmersatt6906
      @raupenimmersatt6906 6 років тому +30

      Steven Chabot Some new bikes are built for 26 and 650b such as the Banshee Rune and a lot of hardtails.
      Shows that people here dont buy into marketing bullshit

    • @src248
      @src248 6 років тому +21

      Of course there's no NEED but If you were to buy an new bike there's no reason not to get a 27.5 or 29.

    • @M1keBLR
      @M1keBLR 6 років тому +3

      My Spark LTD 08" (under 9 kilo) still fast as hell.

    • @OneWheelLess
      @OneWheelLess 6 років тому +2

      😂😂 very true, and this is certainly more a video for those considering a bike

    • @thePavuk
      @thePavuk 6 років тому +12

      I throw over $2000 to my 26 inch carbon bike with racing wheels. If I sell it, I will get may be 1/4th of price now. And 27.5 or 29 of that class will cost at least $3000.

  • @themagicillusions
    @themagicillusions 6 років тому +455

    Neil... 1870g is not 50g lighter than 2120g it’s 250g lighter so 500g total!!!

    • @TheGinGuy
      @TheGinGuy 6 років тому +18

      r/neildidmath

    • @simonrook5743
      @simonrook5743 6 років тому +45

      How did that even get through editing?

    • @wojciechgregorkiewicz2415
      @wojciechgregorkiewicz2415 6 років тому +5

      Clearly much effort was put into making of this video. I can't believe you let a slip up like this through quality control.

    • @tgfedi
      @tgfedi 6 років тому +20

      Because he's British :) . Trying to use both imperial and metric systems, they get a bit confused sometimes.

    • @themagicillusions
      @themagicillusions 6 років тому +20

      tgfedi maths is neither imperial nor metric, maths is just maths :)

  • @oogilyboogily9595
    @oogilyboogily9595 3 роки тому +250

    I’m 7’4” and 24 inch wheels are perfect for me

    • @Potato-gn4di
      @Potato-gn4di 3 роки тому +6

      What the, your 7’4’’ that’s awesome

    • @oogilyboogily9595
      @oogilyboogily9595 3 роки тому +83

      @@Potato-gn4di I’ve actually just grown 2 feet in the past 2 weeks now I am 9’4 and I have moved down to 20 inch wheels

    • @joyalpatel6000
      @joyalpatel6000 3 роки тому +4

      haha liying.

    • @oogilyboogily9595
      @oogilyboogily9595 3 роки тому +32

      @@joyalpatel6000 I’m not

    • @seraphim3454
      @seraphim3454 3 роки тому +2

      bruh how could you say your 9'4 when the tallest man in the world is 8'11?

  • @bknoid
    @bknoid 6 років тому +1

    This is one of the best videos I've seen on UA-cam very well done.

  • @richpotatothebestg.m.ovegg2599
    @richpotatothebestg.m.ovegg2599 6 років тому +783

    500 grams heavier, not 50grams

    • @florihupf
      @florihupf 6 років тому +41

      Metric is hard. :)

    • @leedove7255
      @leedove7255 6 років тому +1

      Abcd you need a maths lesson

    • @TomWhitchurch
      @TomWhitchurch 6 років тому +1

      Rip my boy rich :'(

    • @OliverBatchelor
      @OliverBatchelor 6 років тому +3

      I did immediately, but yet another spot the mistake comment probably isn't useful!

    • @robertwilke1208
      @robertwilke1208 6 років тому +17

      Give him a break; he's had a British education!

  • @latuman
    @latuman 6 років тому +53

    27,5 for me. It matches my low skill level better. Keep it light, small, nimble and simple.

  • @enam98
    @enam98 4 роки тому +19

    I love my 29"
    Feels so great to ride on (roads)
    Socks up vibration and can't feel most pot holes as bad, the handling feels more sturdy didn't think all this could change going from 27" to 29" 🤯

    • @marcmg4234
      @marcmg4234 3 роки тому +2

      29" work best for me. I'm never afraid of pot holes and it grips really well.

  • @danielravenstar4442
    @danielravenstar4442 6 років тому +1

    This video is one of the best tech dissections I have seen so far...
    You're personal body size geometry..... determines what tire size you are best suited for,,, you don't have to buy a whole different bike,
    And cheat on a faithful friend,
    The variety on this planet is awesome !!!

  • @MinecraftMagpie
    @MinecraftMagpie 6 років тому +376

    Oh no......You just started WW3

    • @HakunaMattatata
      @HakunaMattatata 6 років тому +31

      quick everyone hide your 26"

    • @grebo121
      @grebo121 6 років тому +13

      Hide? We're here to fight!

    • @Badatti2de
      @Badatti2de 5 років тому +2

      It's as bad as water bottle vs camel pac

    • @szczur03
      @szczur03 5 років тому +1

      Coca-cola is better

  • @tamaskg
    @tamaskg 6 років тому +16

    Editing was on point!

  • @santosj2274
    @santosj2274 4 роки тому +29

    Still riding my 26" Lapierre after more than 8 years ..

  • @BalatonOZ
    @BalatonOZ 3 роки тому +3

    I have 26. Love it. And just ordered new raceking 2.2 folding.

  • @46zhp
    @46zhp 6 років тому +3

    This seems like the perfect setup to dive in to mixing wheel sizes a la liteville. 29 in the front for approach angle and a longer contact patch for steering, and 27+ in the rear (within .3" or so) for clearance and a fatter contact patch to land on. With all the options in tire sizes these days ive been thinking of trying a mildly moto setup for a while...

  • @grizzlydenn5629
    @grizzlydenn5629 6 років тому +13

    Incredible video GMBN! Congrats to all who worked on it .The edit was great, the music was even better, Neil's riding was on another level ( not that it wasn't before...it just seemed much more better). The bike is fantastic but too expensive for my taste and the idea of swapping wheel set's is even more. Appreciate the effort u've put in the video...keep up the great work guys :)

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 років тому

      Cheers Grizzly! We're glad you enjoyed it :)

  • @slopez2246
    @slopez2246 5 років тому +37

    Great video. I'm 5ft 8in, a smaller rider, and I've purchased a 29er. The 29er was too cumbersome for me, and switched out to the 27.5. I think it may depend on the rider height and having control on the bike. On the 27.5 I pick speed better, and pull jumps better. The 29er did have faster pick up. Thanks for your comparison.

    • @Jrlddfriod
      @Jrlddfriod Рік тому +1

      How tf 5'8 small?

    • @notbob6922
      @notbob6922 Рік тому +1

      ​@Geraldevo it's below average for a man

    • @Iwo26
      @Iwo26 5 місяців тому

      100% agreed. I'm 5'9 and 29er just feels too large. 27.5 makes me a racer Lol

  • @kn7x802
    @kn7x802 4 роки тому +8

    I have my 26” carbon Specialized Epic full XTR for the past 15 years and very happy with the 23 pounder.

  • @ravynx
    @ravynx 6 років тому +5

    Bang on riding and video production, thanks Neil & team. I would love to see a comparison with the shorter riders to see if 29" hinders them much. Being 5'6" (167cm) I've always wondered if 29" would be too much of a hindrance for me on small-frame bikes (hitting my toes on the front wheel perhaps).

  • @orringejuice6511
    @orringejuice6511 6 років тому +7

    This is a sick video, possibly my favorite by you guys

  • @Azraltarux
    @Azraltarux 4 роки тому +5

    It's all about you taste and likeness. I've been driving 24s ans 26s all my life. Recently a friend of mine gave me a 29er for our morning rides. Combined terrain from concrete, asphalt, dry mud, sand, and river beds. It felt soo good for me that i ordered a new bike with 29ers.
    Bottom line - do what you like , life is short anyway )

  • @leahhelen6168
    @leahhelen6168 4 роки тому +9

    Thanks for this. I just bought a genius. I’m very new to riding so all this is good info. Glad to know I can swap wheels. Overall I love this bike on rocky terrain.

  • @Titot182
    @Titot182 6 років тому +3

    Gotta to love new upper line on Corkcrew at FOD. I did this experiment on my 2014 Specialized Enduro. I ran 2.8 nobby nics on halo 35mm 650bs but certainly preferred it with magic mary & hans dampf on halo 35 29ers. FOD in the wet is especially sloppy, so much preferred the traction on the 29ers as well.

  • @BobButtafruco01
    @BobButtafruco01 6 років тому +15

    Hi there,
    Actually, question to Neil:
    In this video you have focused on the time and speed adventages of using different wheel sizes, but what are your impressions in case of agility and maneuverability on steep and narrow technical sections, hairpins etc.
    I'll be grateful for your opinion
    Regards
    Mateusz

    • @GT-cx8vd
      @GT-cx8vd 6 років тому +3

      Hey there friend, for all these ride attributes which add the whole fun, you need a 26!

  • @rocky7232
    @rocky7232 4 роки тому +21

    Was ridding 26” for years, love my 29” would never go down wheel size, too easy to roll over stuff.

    • @LucasGoncalves-sp5nh
      @LucasGoncalves-sp5nh 3 роки тому +1

      I use 29er on the downhill and 27.5 on the enduro, the enduro stages in my region have a lot of tight corners and line changes, I think the 29er is clumsy, while on the downhill the 29er is perfect because it goes over everything.

    • @MybeautifulandamazingPrincess
      @MybeautifulandamazingPrincess 3 роки тому +1

      There's no law sayings you can only have one bike you know

  • @petermac6245
    @petermac6245 5 років тому

    great vid I've been out of the bike seen for a while, & getting my head around the need for different sizes as Im looking for a new ride. I'm still rocking my old big hit with 24 on the rear & 26 up front ;)

  • @sohaibyounus
    @sohaibyounus 6 років тому +11

    I really like Neil's style! its really interesting that what he felt didn't reflected in the time, it was the other way around!

  • @francisorate6037
    @francisorate6037 6 років тому +26

    Love the videos guys!
    SHOOTOUT TO THE EDITORS! The color grade, the zoom and edit was on point!
    more vids guys!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 років тому +2

      Cheers Francis! Loving the feedback :)

    • @MW-ud8zp
      @MW-ud8zp 6 років тому +1

      Francis Orate Agreed. It was awesome.

  • @chicobicalho5621
    @chicobicalho5621 5 років тому +7

    Way back, when 29 wheels were first introduced, I saw a prototype Trek with a 26 rear, and 29 front; a configuration I believe was too extreme, but I have never seen an attempt of engineering 27.5 rear 29 front, which seems more logical then the 26/29. Like dirt motorbikes, perhaps the smaller wheel on the rear would give more peddling response (torque), and the larger one in the front more stability for turns, or ground irregularities. I would guess a configuration like this may be more effective for trail bikes with our without rear suspension, or maybe even a fully rigid deal. Since the same frame was used for this test, and wheels swapped, it would be interesting to see a trial with both sizes on the same frame. Just a thought.

    • @augustlandmesser1520
      @augustlandmesser1520 5 років тому +1

      www.singletracks.com/blog/mtb-gear/beauty-or-the-beast-trek-69er-single-speed/

  • @Nicool333
    @Nicool333 4 роки тому +39

    I love my steel 26 hardtail!

  • @kblean45
    @kblean45 6 років тому +3

    I still ride on 26, but have been looking to change it up, and I'm still undecided between a 27.5 and 29. I like the idea of a bike being able to handle both wheel sizes.

  • @Windband1
    @Windband1 5 років тому +17

    You need to use the same tire size for a true comparison test!

  • @PaulJagger
    @PaulJagger 5 років тому

    Excellent comparison that helps the experienced and novice alike, thanks for sharing

  • @SpicySpokes
    @SpicySpokes 5 років тому +1

    really interesting, thank you guys for this vid and the second part with different wheelsizes, too. i am standing between the genius and the ransom... btw great riding tech ique in the wet, best greetings from Danny Hart at champery! ride on

  • @aarongornalle29
    @aarongornalle29 6 років тому +3

    It all depends on what type of trails you're into aswell as riding style. Having a downhill bike I do like the 26'' wheels due to making it lighter and easier to throw around. And yes, I know this vid had nothing to do with 26 wheels. It just goes to show that everyone has their own personal preference.

  • @marcinjonczyk6180
    @marcinjonczyk6180 6 років тому +3

    Good job GMBN. Your vids look nicer. better shots, cemera movement, color grading. It makes watching it not only informative and fun, but pleasant too!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 років тому

      Cheers for the feedback Marcin!

  • @zeroa69
    @zeroa69 5 років тому +32

    Damn after reading the comments apparently I'm a relic still rocking 26 on my trek 6500.

    • @wallygoots
      @wallygoots 4 роки тому +1

      Me too: Trek 7000 But ready for modern trail bike.

    • @reln72
      @reln72 4 роки тому +1

      Hey. I also got a Trek 6500. Thinking about upgrading though to full suspension and 27.5

    • @zeroa69
      @zeroa69 4 роки тому

      @@wallygoots I moved on to a new 2019 reliegh talus 4 29er. I've given it a bunch of upgrades but I love the bike

    • @wallygoots
      @wallygoots 4 роки тому

      I too moved to a Turner 5.spot with 1x10 GX drive train and so far it is great! My first full suspension. It seems like more maintinence than mybold Trek, but I'm riding harder so...

    • @zeroa69
      @zeroa69 4 роки тому

      @@wallygoots I'll be upgrading my drivetrain by the end of the year. They cancled the 48 mile ore 2 shore bike race id been training for so I'm no longer in a rush to swap out yet its gonna cost me a pretty penny so I figure I'll just wear down the stock. What sucks is I cant use my wolf tooth remote cause I have the left shifters and the bontrager that fit sucks hard in comparison.

  • @HackebeilHarry1
    @HackebeilHarry1 4 роки тому +1

    Great test, helps me with my decision. Thanks for that

  • @MrJonas2255
    @MrJonas2255 6 років тому +172

    Comment section: I am irrationally attached to the wheel size I happen to own!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 років тому +20

      😂

    • @icejunki
      @icejunki 6 років тому +2

      Exactly....we are creatures of habit.....big beautiful creatures of habit.

    • @tedclev
      @tedclev 6 років тому +3

      Dude! I ride BMX down Mont Saint Anne. Where's your check for my whip? Lol.

    • @DepakoteMeister
      @DepakoteMeister 5 років тому +1

      Well aren't you silly. I'm attached because that's the size of all my spare wheels and tyres.

    • @ezrakainz
      @ezrakainz 5 років тому

      We all know My Wheel Size is the best...

  • @thelongestnameinthecomment9677
    @thelongestnameinthecomment9677 4 роки тому +118

    I'm 6' 5" so obviously the choice is easy
    24" for lyfe!!!🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘

  • @okrc6389
    @okrc6389 4 роки тому

    A very interesting video. I was interested in mountain bike recently and it is very helpful.

  • @MedievalRichard
    @MedievalRichard 4 роки тому +1

    I recently changed from 2.2 X King Continental on 27.5s to 2.4s Trail Kings Continental. Feels much better and more grip/if faster. However, didn't know they did a 2.6! Was my jump from 2.2 to 2.4 a good option?

  • @guibat97
    @guibat97 6 років тому +3

    Nice video quality guys! Always nice to watch your content :)

  • @JCinAZ87
    @JCinAZ87 6 років тому +20

    I love the way this video was shot. It looks like it has been filtered? maybe a new lens. I don't know but I like it

  • @Jaxon-r3u
    @Jaxon-r3u 3 роки тому +9

    27.5 i started on 27.5 and when i tried 29 it just felt heavy and im not used to it. So im staying with 27.5

  • @sless6928
    @sless6928 3 роки тому +1

    The whole video I was trying to work out how the geometry could be different by changing wheels, but then you mentioned "flip the chip". Would have loved you to explain that a bit more.

  • @danielchristopherwright7831
    @danielchristopherwright7831 6 років тому +5

    great cinematography and music !

  • @lukew5555
    @lukew5555 6 років тому +3

    Great vid guys. I'm definitely a 27.5" sort of guy. Can't help but notice a difference in colour grading and look of this video? It looks good!

    • @gmbn
      @gmbn  6 років тому +1

      Cheers for the feedback Luke :)

  • @sspringbok
    @sspringbok 4 роки тому +1

    Hi since you have the two sets, you could try 27back, 29front. On enduro motorbikes diff wherlsize is almost a standard. Would be interesting to compare. less weight, more grip on the back, advantage on the front on rough terrain.

  • @philipsquire9056
    @philipsquire9056 5 років тому

    Still riding my 15 year old Orange Sub Five on 26". It works. I rode a brand new Specialized FSR (?) in Whistler this summer. On the valley trails it was fantastic. Everything seemed easier. That had 27,5. I'd love to ride one back to back with my Orange.

  • @ericthatcher
    @ericthatcher 6 років тому +39

    I would be interested to see how you think it feels with a 29er on the front and a 27.5 on the back

    • @jorimgentiloso5388
      @jorimgentiloso5388 3 роки тому +3

      I have a bike that has a 29er on the front and 27.5 on the back and oh boy.... It's so hard especially on the mountainous parts but on the flats, it's so amazing.

    • @MybeautifulandamazingPrincess
      @MybeautifulandamazingPrincess 3 роки тому

      @@jorimgentiloso5388 why do you have bigger wheels on the front?

    • @jorimgentiloso5388
      @jorimgentiloso5388 3 роки тому

      @@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess don't know I already had the bigger wheels when I bought the bike ahahahaahah

    • @mellasio3911
      @mellasio3911 3 роки тому +5

      @@MybeautifulandamazingPrincess specially on down hill push the bike on back giving you more lighter front and control on the back it change the frame geometry is like you do claiming and you want a 26 on front with a 29 ....you get push over the handlebar and change the body position ...something like that....plus a 29 in front will roll faster over minor bumps because of bigger wheel and dont get dip in to holes like 27.5,26 and the list continue, back wheel is a follower so if is smaller and quick will go better in cornering ....bla bla bla long theory .....bet thing is try :)))))

    • @Paolo-qe7lc
      @Paolo-qe7lc Рік тому

      @@jorimgentiloso5388 I never get why they do 29 on the front. I rode my friends 29 and the cornering was terrible and he even told me he wished he had a 27.5

  • @ThunderStruckMTB
    @ThunderStruckMTB 6 років тому +25

    Very cool test. Interesting that the clock showed the exact opposite of what the rider felt...... Neil was hauling azz!!

  • @lmc333
    @lmc333 5 років тому

    Great Review and POV.
    For the YT Jeffsy which also have a flip chip, does it mean it also can switch between the 27 and 29 ?

  • @jimbote1968
    @jimbote1968 4 роки тому +1

    standup grinder here and rode 29'r for around eight years....now three years into a 27.5+... love it, never. going. back.

  • @mattdidisheim2211
    @mattdidisheim2211 6 років тому +7

    can you do a video comparing the climbing capability of 27.5 vs 29?

    • @technicalbreakdown1484
      @technicalbreakdown1484 4 роки тому +5

      26 is best in climbing but slower than a 27.5 in speed.
      27.5 is better in climbing than a 29 and faster than a 26.
      smaller circmuference = faster rotation.
      29 is faster in flat surfaces poor in climbing. more circumference = faster speed.
      In the end the difference is not that noticeable anyway, choose what you like and enjoy the bike.

  • @filippolaino
    @filippolaino 6 років тому +6

    Choosing tires is a personal choice because it depends for your ride style and your tastes, if you prefer have big wheels or small ones. It is very choice.
    I have 26 but I love 27.5, for me 29 are too much bigger. I don't like them.

  • @jonathanvasquez9604
    @jonathanvasquez9604 5 років тому

    Hi Sir! I have a 2017 Scott Genius 750 frame. Could u pls help me w/the flip chip set up? As i understand if its set to High, bottom bracket stands higher & vice versa w/the Low setting plus it shortens the travel. Is there any other use of the flip chip? Tyvm!

  • @gm2256
    @gm2256 6 років тому +1

    Interesting how the results of the 29 were the opposite of your perception (slower at the top, faster on the bottom techy stuff). I guess that's why we measure! Thanks for the in-depth video of 27.5 vs 29.

  • @niberdoom
    @niberdoom 6 років тому +258

    90% of the test on this channel is about going downhill, what about how the bikes does feel going upwards or flat. We do not all live in the hilly places of this world...
    Please start a XC channel, or do more stuff about XC. Otherwise great work.

    • @tedclev
      @tedclev 6 років тому +15

      29 crushes on climbs, especially with flip chip geometry.

    • @morninguvnuh4769
      @morninguvnuh4769 5 років тому +3

      That's a really good point. The inertia to counter to get a 26" going is less.

    • @benevolentdictator2315
      @benevolentdictator2315 5 років тому +11

      niberdoom, you now have found your opportunity to start your xc channel. Why wait when you can start now?

    • @user-nd1vh4re1g
      @user-nd1vh4re1g 4 роки тому +7

      That's couse XC sucks!

    • @jsv438
      @jsv438 4 роки тому +3

      Right-0n niberdoom! That's where skills and joys of dirt biking go unnoticed and unappreciated.
      Sometimes I think it's because showing 'video' of the runs LOOKS better showing downhill riders. Just a better attraction and visual. You're so right; we need to see more than downhill show-off.
      ~JSV

  • @chavoxo50
    @chavoxo50 5 років тому +6

    I’ve ridden 26, 27.5, and 29. When I bought my 29 at the shop they told me I wouldn’t do any one section of trail faster on 29 vrs smaller wheels but overall my entire loop would be faster. This has turned out to be accurate and the best way in my opinion to describe 29 wheels

    • @neilsonchain1526
      @neilsonchain1526 2 роки тому +8

      If no sections of the trail are faster, how do you have a faster time.....

    • @michaelinglis567
      @michaelinglis567 Рік тому

      Lol that's some grade A marketing nonsense. If your going through each section at the same rate as a 27.5 inch tire on 29 inch tires then your time couldnt possibly be faster.

    • @teecee4459
      @teecee4459 Рік тому

      ​@@neilsonchain1526exactly 😂 math don't lie.

  • @jonathanmascagni9515
    @jonathanmascagni9515 2 роки тому

    Great video and comparrison. It would have been awesome if you had also compared a mullet style with a 29" up front and a 27.5 in the rear. But looking at the date it's getting there in age. But I always love watching your vids. Nice dig on Blake lol.

  • @mtbspiroraziq9467
    @mtbspiroraziq9467 4 роки тому +1

    Which wheel size is good for me to make some speed and my height around 160cm? What is your opinion? May I know?

  • @wlouisharris
    @wlouisharris 6 років тому +11

    Just went from 27.5 to 29. For me it was a great transition. I like the ability to roll over obstacles with more ease and overall improve my speed/lap times.. There is a pretty big reduction in the ability to shred through corners. Just had a wreck last week trying to handle corners the same way I did 26.5 wheels. I've seen the guys that really like to shred sticking with 27.5.. So if you prefer XC, touring, moderate trail riding I think 29 inch wheels will go a long way to help improve your experience like it did for me.

  • @Docterozlo
    @Docterozlo 6 років тому +69

    What about keeping the rear a 650b and the front a 29er would be interesting to see where it fits in with those times!

    • @woopertrooper4151
      @woopertrooper4151 6 років тому +6

      Trek made the 69er (26" rear, 29" front) a decade or so ago. Bad naming or not, it wasn't really popular.
      Would be interesting to see who comes out with the modern version

    • @src248
      @src248 6 років тому +3

      It's been shown to be very effective but it's against UCI rules to run two different sized wheels, I assume other series have similar rules. Foes Mixer is a modern 29/27.5 bike and it's damn good

    • @maniac0303
      @maniac0303 6 років тому

      Bulls Copperhead Duro and Copperhead Max. (29" front 650b rear)...

    • @Vanadium
      @Vanadium 6 років тому +1

      Looks like some of you guys never heard of Liteville then because they produce all kind of MTBs with exactly that.
      They also do 26 rear and 27.5front for shorter people...

    • @Toastybear1
      @Toastybear1 6 років тому

      Steven Chabot happily though- the downhill world champs I don't BELIEVE is UCI, the World Cup is I think, but not the whole season.
      I could have got that totally wrong though

  • @nonymouserawr
    @nonymouserawr 5 років тому

    Hey Neil, have you been riding the 29 or a while now? How do you find they compare after some time with the 29s? I'd love to see another vid on it! I'm debating whether to go 27.5 or 29 for my new bike. Thanks, love the channel, keep up the good work!

  • @THEDTSMAN
    @THEDTSMAN 2 роки тому

    Nice video, answered my questions. Thanks

  • @mainzman7239
    @mainzman7239 6 років тому +3

    Ohhhh, flip the chip. I was wondering how the 29" wheels with a 20mm larger radius didn't raise the BB by 10 mm.
    Interesting that the parts of the run where you felt faster and slower on the 29ers was actually the reverse. Good job done though, great to see a very direct comparison like that.

  • @junsambrano6796
    @junsambrano6796 5 років тому +10

    I stick to 26 " just upgrade parts and it depend on knee and enjoy more fun!

  • @thelocalangler
    @thelocalangler 4 роки тому +1

    i currently have a hardtail rock hopper on 29"s and a stumpjumper on 27.5's, i noticed you didn't mention anything about swapping out the handle bars with the tires. its it necessary? i was told at my local bike shop that the 29" requires a wider handle bar to help turn the bigger wheels but i find a bit too wide on some of my local trails where you come close to clipping trees on both sides of the handle bars.

  • @PHAM_mtb
    @PHAM_mtb 5 років тому

    Heya, beautiful nature! Good luck growing this channel! Anyway, I liked your video. Enjoy the week! All the best, Philipp from PHAM

  • @philwise3541
    @philwise3541 6 років тому +29

    My 26 Scott is great, an old bruiser, but great. However, I’ve just bought a YT Jeffsy 29er and now the 26 is my winter/salty road-to-the-trails bike....so it’s semi retired...sort of.

    • @ShawnSavageTeachings
      @ShawnSavageTeachings 4 роки тому

      Thinking about buying a it jeffsey! How do you like yours?

    • @philwise3541
      @philwise3541 4 роки тому +1

      Shawn Z Savage at the time I found it to be the best value bike with the highest spec for the money that I had and also the highest rated trail bike within the price bracket I was looking at. Also, at the time it had the steepest head angle for tackling the downhill sections to the local trails. Nowadays the head angle debate rages but the new Jeffsy has a steeper angle than the one I have, so presumably it’s better for the downhill sections. I’d definitely recommend it without hesitation and I can tell you that I’ve found myself wanting to go riding a hell of a lot more often!

    • @ShawnSavageTeachings
      @ShawnSavageTeachings 4 роки тому +1

      Phil Wise wow thanks man for the info! I was thinking the same thing, a huge part is they are such a good value for the money and it’s a really nice looking bike! Appreciate the info 👌🏻👍🏻🙏🏻 take care! Happy riding

    • @philwise3541
      @philwise3541 4 роки тому +1

      Shawn Z Savage thanks, I’ll do my best! 👀😂 Hope you get all you hope for in your new bike, whatever it turns out to be. Top tip if you want it - take your time when looking. It took me 2yes to save for the bike and in that time I looked around at different possibilities a hell of a lot, still settled on the YT. Good luck.

    • @ShawnSavageTeachings
      @ShawnSavageTeachings 4 роки тому +1

      Phil Wise for sure it will take me about the same time to save up. Have a mongoose right now so it’s going to be a huge difference once I get that! Definitely will keep looking 👍🏻 hoping to get into racing at some point. Sub to my channel and you’ll see in the future 😁

  • @KurtSarioPh
    @KurtSarioPh 4 роки тому +4

    Looking forward to start my biking life someday but not financially stable this is one of my dreams 😊 This is really helpful 💖

    • @richardberends7792
      @richardberends7792 3 роки тому +1

      honestly a bike from Walmart is better than no bike, just tune it the best it can be. I'm searching for the best $1000 bike for myself at the moment but currently ride a $150 full suspension walmart 29er (coil spring obv), and I go out and ride it about 3 times a week.
      Also, a good brand for budget is usually schwinn. There's a bike for all situations and budgets.

  • @cleanpoop9929
    @cleanpoop9929 2 роки тому

    For the braking issues with the 29", could you just switch out the brakes as well? Is that ever done?

  • @Adventure_Always
    @Adventure_Always 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the great video!

  • @GinodiFonzo
    @GinodiFonzo 5 років тому +27

    Wouldn't a proper comparison require both sets of tires to be the same width?

  • @leonrubensobotta5818
    @leonrubensobotta5818 6 років тому +28

    #AskGMBN Wouldn't it be more accurate to choose the same tire width for the test?

    • @benjaminhoff5004
      @benjaminhoff5004 2 роки тому

      No, 27.5 main use nowadays is to fit wider tires.

  • @mareku3304
    @mareku3304 5 років тому

    hey :) could you please tell me the dimensions of the frame .Would help a lot thanks

  • @ashtonkerr4
    @ashtonkerr4 Рік тому +1

    I have been in the market for an entry level hardtail for daily riding on roads but also a bit of trail riding and jumps but I have no idea what frame and wheel size to get. I’m 5’8 and still growing so I was thinking of getting a 29er large but I would like to see your guys’ opinion

  • @wyatth6824
    @wyatth6824 3 роки тому +3

    I was trying so hard to figure out why wheel size would change so much in the bikes geometry, then I made it to 5:00 minutes and then it made sense

  • @kittykat632
    @kittykat632 5 років тому +10

    Love them both depending on the type of ride I'm doing. Having 2 pairs is smart!😉

    • @Atreyufolife
      @Atreyufolife 3 роки тому

      I got a used 27.5 but I'm getting a 29 error in a month. I think my 27.5 might have a 26er on the back. rip

    • @lNappa
      @lNappa 2 роки тому

      Kitty kat is back to attack

  • @macktaylor4389
    @macktaylor4389 4 роки тому +2

    That is a fantastic color combo! Wish I could afford a new one.

  • @rebeccamclaren97
    @rebeccamclaren97 5 років тому

    I just got a Cube MTB 29er, it's naturally heavier than most bikes but rides like an absolute dream and has much more grip than most mtbs.
    I dont mind the extra weight as I like a good fitness challenge, and use my bike more for leisure and endurance/long distance trails rather than for technical routes, jumps etc.

  • @crazy-_-Beard
    @crazy-_-Beard 5 років тому +6

    my Mnt bike has 27.5+ and I love it. Super smooth ride. I don't care if its popular or not .....

  • @95thRiflesOCI
    @95thRiflesOCI 5 років тому +19

    26 inchers have been at the top of the class even till this time. Nothing beats the weight to performance ratio. You don't need to roll over obstacles if you can just fly over them on 26 inch because of the power and responsive nature of smaller wheels. Theres a reason why a 10 year old XC bike is still lighter then a 2018 top tier bike.

    • @michaelinglis567
      @michaelinglis567 Рік тому

      Lap times dont lie. They also control where the industry goes. If people werent riding larger wheels with faster times in comps then youd never see them at the consumer level to this degree. So for us regular consumers it just depends on what type of riding you do and what you want out of your bike.

  • @michaelm9851
    @michaelm9851 5 років тому

    I just bought a 2019 Specialized SJ expert 29er. I find that it doesn’t fly/jump as well as my 27.5. It seems the bigger wheels spin slower which affects how it feels in the air. It’s carbon/carbon. Can I interchange wheels on that model?

  • @Ironrich
    @Ironrich 3 роки тому

    Have you tried a 29 on the front and a 27.5 on the back combo? I'd be interested in seeing what the results would be. Off road motorcycles run this where the front is larger than the back.

  • @dondornbrack4312
    @dondornbrack4312 5 років тому +3

    What are you thoughts on running a 29er up front, and a 27.5 on the rear (or vice versa?)

    • @yeetyeetpotatoskeet5263
      @yeetyeetpotatoskeet5263 5 років тому +3

      Don Dornbrack I could see the reason in 27.5 on the back and 29 on the front but not really the other way around

  • @markobremb3493
    @markobremb3493 6 років тому +581

    Any 26 inch riders?

    • @Sumallagamesperter
      @Sumallagamesperter 6 років тому +3

      MarkoBre MB heree😂🙋

    • @newttella1043
      @newttella1043 6 років тому +8

      Some good deals on 26ers with modern geometry. Look for some 2012 Intense, Santa Cruz or any 125mm full suspension bikes.

    • @Furious_TomTom
      @Furious_TomTom 6 років тому

      MarkoBre MB yep I ride a slalom bike 26 inch ftw

    • @lukasradzimski1033
      @lukasradzimski1033 6 років тому

      MarkoBre MB Yess

    • @Flavio_Ceratti
      @Flavio_Ceratti 6 років тому

      Here

  • @stefanwischniewski2729
    @stefanwischniewski2729 4 роки тому

    Help !!!!
    how much torque in tightening does the shock bolt from the flip chip have? scott genius 2019 ... exchanged the flip chip and there are no NM of all places

  • @derekburns4034
    @derekburns4034 2 роки тому

    Nice review, great job explaining everything. I was under the assumption that you had to change the fork to go from a 27.5 to a 29?