Endpins REALLY make a difference, not just in ‘external’ sound, but also how well the instrument reacts, i.e. how much effort you have to put in for great sound or precision
Hola,sobre todo quería agradecerles por el exelente trabajo de comparación!Al principio para mi era difícil elegir,hasta que decidí cerrar los ojos y numerar según el orden.A partir del número 4,era una mejoría notable del sonido,y el ganador resultó ser el número 7.8mm carbón 500 mm,47 g.Gracias
It is important to have a great cello, a bow wich fits your playing style and practice about 6-8 hours a day, everything else is just marketing...what about the old wood endpin, ebony or even pernambuc ?
Well said ! 😀 Our goal was to figure out if those endpins really change the cello sound. We used just what we had among our members. Wooden endpin requires button replacement it’s too much effort for us. Thanks for comment!
@@TCMCelloClub I tried myself several endpins on my cello ( bernardel) , but the result was no signoficant, so i look to the price and my old Bender with holow carbon tube is the best for me, best regards
Mostly it's the playing that changes each time. Don't fall for the marketing BS. Go practice. I use carbon because it's light and cheap. Sometimes I play without any endpin too, and even then I never noticed a difference. There's one thing where I did notice a difference though: tail piece. The lighter the better. I ended up completely removing mine and tying the strings with kevlar lines directly to the button. Use bowline knot. You may use a left-hand bowline to loop around the string loop end (ignore or remove the ball) and an Eskimo Bowline A-C variant to loop around the button (won't slip with ring load). The common one can work too but may slip a little the first couple times you tune. After that it just holds too.
@@TCMCelloClub you can see a pic in my last ig post. I should probably make a video on this idea... Most cellists in my town switched to gear pegs and kevlar lines after I showed them :) I've been using this setup since early 2017
@@ericoschmitt Thanks for sharing your experience. Would be nice to know how the sound of your cello has changed after that upgrade. I know, it’s something like taking about the taste of food though )). Personally I’m using Bois D’Harmonie rosewood tailpiece and so far very happy with it. I just changed thick tail gut it came with to kevlar, which imo opened up the sound on high positions.
@@dmitryfeygin I'll try to make a video about it this week. I'll write for now: It definitely changed very noticeably for me. It got easier to play, with a quicker response on the low strings. There's more resonance overall, and I dare to say up to 5% more sound. Mostly response and power, I'm not sure if the sound itself changed. The reasoning behind it was: if a 9 gram wolf tone remover near the bridge can affect the whole instrument sound for the worse, and even an orchestral mute left on the strings can affect the sound, then the tail piece must have a similar effect. Less weight must mean more sound. My first setup involved metal tubes cut as a small ring (steel bike tubes for chain-stays, lol) with a small hole to slide the string through and stop at the ball end. The wire was tied to the ring. And all 4 wires were tied together at the button with a knot joining them. I still have this "tail piece" in my case. I made a second iteration with nicer looking brass tubes and saved the first as a spare just in case. Recently I figured out I could just tie the string directly, and I could make a loop end for each wire. So basically my cello now has "4 tail pieces", one for each string. When I removed the rings and did some other mods to the string ends about 20 grams came off, and the sound seemed to improve further. Unfortunately I didn't record A-B tests in 2017, and I'm not willing to install a tailpiece again.
I don't notice much difference on your video. 5 years ago I changed from steel pin to 10mm carbon pin, it was slightly better. Where you put the the pin; floor , platform or pin rest is more important.
Thank you for your comment! IMO difference is noticeable when listening with headphones. And I agree about carbon pin , it gives wider sound than others , I had the same result when checked it in 東京芸実劇場 .
エンドピンの太さ、材質の違いによる音色の違いが分かりとても参考になりました！(大人から始め、個人レッスンを楽しむだけの奏者です)
速いパッセージでのトリプル…の音の反応の良さというか立ち上がりの早さがいいなと思う一方、カーボンの柔らかい音色も好きです。
コメントありがとうございます♪
Endpins REALLY make a difference, not just in ‘external’ sound, but also how well the instrument reacts, i.e. how much effort you have to put in for great sound or precision
Thank you for your comment!
Muy interesante, muchas gracias.
Hola,sobre todo quería agradecerles por el exelente trabajo de comparación!Al principio para mi era difícil elegir,hasta que decidí cerrar los ojos y numerar según el orden.A partir del número 4,era una mejoría notable del sonido,y el ganador resultó ser el número 7.8mm carbón 500 mm,47 g.Gracias
muchísimas gracias !
With exellent Headphones : Brass alloy - for me the first chose !
Thanks for your comment!
タングステンもやっていただきたかったです。トリプルブリランテとの比較の意味でも。
コメントありがとうございます！純タングステン持ってないです、すみません😒
Triple brillante is more rich, dark and deep sound produced .
hi... is the endpin material you use solid or hollow?
Thank you for watching our videos! All endpins is solid except hollow carbon as it was mentioned in the video subtitles.
Wow.. it must be heavy. Byvthe way, when compared, which material is as light or nearly as light as carbon?
Titanium is the closest one.
It is important to have a great cello, a bow wich fits your playing style and practice about 6-8 hours a day, everything else is just marketing...what about the old wood endpin, ebony or even pernambuc ?
Well said ! 😀 Our goal was to figure out if those endpins really change the cello sound. We used just what we had among our members. Wooden endpin requires button replacement it’s too much effort for us.
Thanks for comment!
@@TCMCelloClub I tried myself several endpins on my cello ( bernardel) , but the result was no signoficant, so i look to the price and my old Bender with holow carbon tube is the best for me, best regards
Personally I’m using carbon too for it’s lightweight.
Kind regards,
Dmitry Feygin.
I have a carbon endpin. I truly believe it is the cello and strings which match that makes or breaks the sound.
Thank you for your comment! Agree , however there’s also a bridge, sound post and even the rosin affects the sound.
Mostly it's the playing that changes each time.
Don't fall for the marketing BS. Go practice.
I use carbon because it's light and cheap. Sometimes I play without any endpin too, and even then I never noticed a difference.
There's one thing where I did notice a difference though: tail piece. The lighter the better. I ended up completely removing mine and tying the strings with kevlar lines directly to the button. Use bowline knot.
You may use a left-hand bowline to loop around the string loop end (ignore or remove the ball) and an Eskimo Bowline A-C variant to loop around the button (won't slip with ring load). The common one can work too but may slip a little the first couple times you tune. After that it just holds too.
Thank you for your comment! Would be nice to see how it looks.
@@TCMCelloClub you can see a pic in my last ig post. I should probably make a video on this idea... Most cellists in my town switched to gear pegs and kevlar lines after I showed them :) I've been using this setup since early 2017
@@ericoschmitt
Thanks for sharing your experience. Would be nice to know how the sound of your cello has changed after that upgrade. I know, it’s something like taking about the taste of food though )). Personally I’m using Bois D’Harmonie rosewood tailpiece and so far very happy with it. I just changed thick tail gut it came with to kevlar, which imo opened up the sound on high positions.
@@dmitryfeygin I'll try to make a video about it this week. I'll write for now:
It definitely changed very noticeably for me. It got easier to play, with a quicker response on the low strings. There's more resonance overall, and I dare to say up to 5% more sound. Mostly response and power, I'm not sure if the sound itself changed.
The reasoning behind it was: if a 9 gram wolf tone remover near the bridge can affect the whole instrument sound for the worse, and even an orchestral mute left on the strings can affect the sound, then the tail piece must have a similar effect. Less weight must mean more sound.
My first setup involved metal tubes cut as a small ring (steel bike tubes for chain-stays, lol) with a small hole to slide the string through and stop at the ball end. The wire was tied to the ring. And all 4 wires were tied together at the button with a knot joining them. I still have this "tail piece" in my case. I made a second iteration with nicer looking brass tubes and saved the first as a spare just in case.
Recently I figured out I could just tie the string directly, and I could make a loop end for each wire. So basically my cello now has "4 tail pieces", one for each string.
When I removed the rings and did some other mods to the string ends about 20 grams came off, and the sound seemed to improve further.
Unfortunately I didn't record A-B tests in 2017, and I'm not willing to install a tailpiece again.
Very interesting! Thanks
I don't notice much difference on your video. 5 years ago I changed from steel pin to 10mm carbon pin, it was slightly better. Where you put the the pin; floor , platform or pin rest is more important.
Thank you for your comment!
IMO difference is noticeable when listening with headphones. And I agree about carbon pin , it gives wider sound than others , I had the same result when checked it in 東京芸実劇場 .
カーボン・チタン・トリプルブ（略） 持っています。音は一聴して分かります。演奏に自信がある曲ならトリプルブ・・で弾きたいですが疲れるので普段使いには難ありです。女性演奏者には不人気です。楽器にも悪そう。8ミリのカーボンは私には剛性不足でした。上手い人なら8ミリカーボンも選択肢になってくるのでしょうか・・・。少し鼻が詰まった感にはなりますがチタンは無難でした。楽なのはカーボンで結局私はカーボンしか使わなくなりました。真鍮は興味はあるのですが道具に凝るのをやめてしまったので入手していません。
コメントありがとうございます！そうですね、カーボンが一番使いやすいです。10ミリの方がしっかりしてます。
Different cellos, poor comparison
Thank you for your comment. We used 2 cellos , one for 8mm endpins comparison and another for 10mm . It’s clearly stated in the video.
@@TCMCelloClub Yeah, I've noted it.