USING AN AMP, AND THE NEURAL DSP QUAD CORTEX... TOGETHER!
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- In this video, I show y'all how i used the Neural DSP Quad Cortex and my Suhr PT15IR signature amp together on The Classic Rock Show 2022 UK tour.
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Pete, I truly enjoyed every minute, lick, sound & piece of information in this video. The tone, FX & playing on “Velvet” sounded incredible buddy! So tasty & big out front! Peace! X-Mann 👊🏼❌🤟🏼
Thanks man!
Well, that's a creative way of using digital that never occurred to me. You got great tones. The music was great, too. It's been years since I've been to a show, so even a few snippets like you had here were enough to elicit goosebumps. 🥰
The tone on black velvet...one of the best singlecoil tones I've heard ever!
Great video. I am a new QC user very much in learning stages so I really appreciated your showing settings / signal chain of each of the presets demo’d. I don’t play guitar but rather an e-violin and am really getting into metal - this video really helped to gain more insight into setting up my sounds. Thanks again.
Pete you are our inspiration regarding Guitar Tone!! What a Master, your sound is always amazing!! Congratulations
Amazing setup, that PT15 sounds absolutely killer!🤘
Awesome. That tone you have on Black Velvet is just killer!!!
Thanks! That’s the neck position as well as the split humbucker and Middle position 2 on my new Suhr, Channel 3 on the amplifier, and the rest of it is the stuff you’re hearing the Quad Cortex do.
Thanks for a wee peek behind the foot lights bud, really enjoy when Bucovak and some others take us mortals behind the curtains. +1 respect and stay healthy all.
Plexified sent me ha ha , GREAT content ! Thanks for what you do. Modern day Rockstars are the best.
Rocking the "digalog" sound! 🤘
I really appreciate a look from a professional perspective. I have so much to learn about gear goshh
Cool to hear a snip of Thin Lizzy - Don't Believe a Word!
Killer tone on Black Velvet. Love it.
I use QC...I think Pete is the GOAT in programming these things....no way all the others ....really fantastic sound with relative small money....
great tone Pete!!! Good to hear a blending of the traditional tube amp and the use of the Cortex
Pete you are a very good guitarist and you know what is good and what is not🤘
I am getting the QC...thx for the video
I love thinking up creative routing configurations for guitar and bass rigs. It’s had me buy more gear as of late though. 😂
Sounds amazing Pete. Good luck on the tour and hope it is a blast every night.
Sounding ace Pete and really close to the original sounds. Great to get a look at how you’re using ya tools.
Neural - you've got to get a marketplace going in your Cloud so guys like Pete, Michael Britt, etc, can get their captures out there for folks. It'll help your product and these guys have to make a living - they spend a LOT of time getting these tones together and it's not always feasible for them to just give them away...
No way. That simply enables scammers who know nothing about tone to peddle their trash. The absence of a paid marketplace is the best part about the QC. Keep the scammers out!
Great to see you playing live. Thx for posting.
Great to see that you are having great time playing great music!
So considerate and helpful. Thank you.. I will come see you next year. Great playing and tone. I do a similar thing at home for recording but utilising the Axe FX III.
Hey Pete... awesome stuff bro
Glad u are home and looking forward to seeing what's happening next 🤘🤪🎸🎶
I watch this kind of quad cortex usage in Kiko of Megadeth video. Now you explain and demo it very clearly. This is a proof that for a bedroom guitarist, like me, digital amp sim is the most convenience tools. Off course having one or two tube amp will be nice, but it isn't a must in today digital world.
Thanks Pete!! Sounds great....love that vintage chorus sound.
Love how you did this demo video! Great work Pete!
Great vid Pete!! Stellar tones!!
Thanks!
The sound is really good. I’m loving the Quad Cortex but only go through PAs here. No amps involved anymore.
Saw the show in Norwich, your tone and the overall sound actually, was extremely good. Great show by all involved!
Thanks so much! I love that town.
Loved this vid. Great being able to hear all the references.
Great video Pete! Thanks for showing us your setup!
wow! Amazing use of the amp line out! Do you use any effect from the QC? It is not so clear what efffects are in the amp loop/ front and the ones that you send to PA via QC. You rock amigo!!
Damn Pete you are dialed-in! That sounds incredible especially coming out of my vintage Onkyo Integra Series Tuner, (2) 500watt pwr-amps and (4) original Cerwin Vega cabs 😂 Stereo from Hell
Great idea and makes perfect sense. Loving tone as well.
Great and i formative video, Pete! Will definitely try the same settings as you on the cab sim.
Pete, you are a beloved content creator in the guitar community and you are a musician par excellence. You are also an unapologetic gear junkie that needs rehab😀. Your touring board is a monstrosity, but you still felt the need to add a Quad Cortex?? 2 H9s??!! C'mon, man, this is the definition of overkill, no? I don't know how you can feel free on stage with all the tap-dancing you have to do. To each his own, I guess.
Awesome 👌 a truly hybrid setup for the best audio capture all-round
Sounds killer. I've been so disappointed realizing Amp sim plugins just don't anywhere near cut it lately as my ear gets better (even Neural's) compared to a real amp but a hybrid setup like this just with maybe an Ox or something might be the way to go
I use my Kemper sort of the same way, but i don't come out of my amp to the unit, i go from my Kemper to the FX return on my head for stage monitor, then i have L & R XLR's outputs on the rear of the Kemper for FOH, pretty simple setup. But people always give me a hard time, asking why did i get a KPA, when i'm still using my amp.. well, my amp is only good for a few tones, and the Kemper in unlimited, and i still get the live feel from the amp.
There you go. Yeah I mean whatever works! It’s nice to have a cabinet on stage and get the feel of that as well as feedback etc. such a big part of playing guitar to me
Dude … you are sounding ridiculously amazing !
Thanks!
Gawd, I feel so old. When I was playing in my band, I just had a fuzzbox and some Boss pedals. 😂
Nice video, Pete!
Couldn't make to the live chat today...
You're so ingenious with all the gear. My mind was shutting down, watching you dialing around in those menus of the Quad Cortex, nothing for old farts like me 😁
Ok, that was honest 👍 I stand corrected on your initial QC review.
Great video Pete informative, I was in 2 minds to purchase the quad I think you have made my mind up now thanks 🙏
I'd love to see you do a rig set up that isn't so complicated. You're a master at getting amazing results with any gear. This kind of rig is just beyond most peoples understanding and budget. Show us your way of using one smaller pedalboard and combo amp mic'd up. I think Andy Timmons is a good example of this approach at a pro level. Thanks for everything you do Pete.
Always stellar sound, Mr Thorn.
Really awesome Pete!
As always - your tones and licks are absolutely on point!
I've been using the QC direct since last May as a stand alone device (with an expression pedal) - but this is a cool way to implement it with your PT-15. I may need to consider your amp as my "next gear purchase"! :)
Have you Captured the PT-15 in the event it ever fails and you need to use the QC as a backup?
Great stuff, Pete! I love your inginuity.
Nice rig Sir
Good info as always. Thanks Pete! 🤘
Great stuff as always, Pete.
Nice video PT…have fun!
really good content Pete, thank you for this
That amp sounds fantastic.
Damn Thorn you are a hell of a Rocker I really admire you and your craft and I always watch your videos thank you I truly mean it !
Thanks!
Love it! I wish i could hire you to setup my rig!! lol great job!
Drop some of these presets in Quad Cloud for us QC users. Great stuff!
I'll be selling my peavey Invective and want a Quad Cortex and, thinking about using a Mesa 50/50 power amp for the cabinet and use the tubes for a bit of colouring.
Sounds Greate Pete! 👍👍👍👍
So you are using your amp head (preamp) than the Line out goes to the FX of the QC (fx and speaker sim (IR)). If you don't have a Line Out on your amp you can use the FX LOOP Send? It could do the same?
Sounds fantastic. I’m thinking of ways to do this as well. Stereo in ears etc. Future vid? Peace.
Sounds great, man! Very efficient as well. Great work, Pete!
Can you share or sell your QC presets ? Thanks and really inspiring
Great video. Thank You! 🙋🏻♂️
Pete, the analog on stage rig sounds killer!!!
Thanks! Yeah the raw amp sound is pretty deadly I think. PT15 is awesome
Thanks Pete!!
this is exactly how I'm trying to have my setup instead of 2 amps
BRILLIANT. BRILLIANT. BRILLIANT.
Absolutely amazing Pete! I noticed you too off the dd500 and put the timeline back on the board. What was the reason for the switch back?
No tones will ever compare to the soul crushingly good tones of the Friedman BE 100 deluxe!!
OK but if you’re playing live you still got to get that sound to the PA! Ha ha! You could do this sort of thing with that amplifier as well
I have a Kemper but I still prefer using my tube Marshall heads.
I desperately need to get some decent profiles.
Hey Pete, I understand how you are using the QC here & appreciate the info. What was just before the QC & ON drive pedal wise (or anything) going into your signature amp for the Black “Velvet” song? The tone is to die for, as is the playing. Plus, how would you describe the drive channel on your amp tone wise? Thx & peace! X-Mann 👊🏼❌🤟🏼
Love the vid and tone as always, Pete!
I am currently using a Fractal FX8 with tube amp for all my gigs, with a mic'd cab. I've thought about getting like a HX Stomp for backup, in case my amp ever blows mid-gig. Now I am thinking about getting a QC, to use for just amp effects, and be able to instantly be back up and running with a backup. Does this sound like a reasonable use case? Does QC do 4CM well? May eventually go all direct too, so I'd be setting myself up well for that.
that’s how I was using it- also as a backup. Could plug directly into it and since it was going straight to the PA it would work very well as a back up. That was never needed. But nice to know it’s there!
@@PeteThorn You da man, Pete!!
I believe I understand your setup, Suhr Amp with Pedalboard to get tones and then QC for your speaker simulator and wet effects. Why not use it for all your drives and other effects too and why not use the switches on the QC for your switching? Maybe you are using a "Hybrid" mode by letting your MIDI unit switch banks and the QC is set to scene? Also do you feel the QC can't compete with the Eventides? Maybe the whole point is you've dialed in so many of your sounds with your pedal board already that it's just easier to use the QC for the final amp micing and reducing stage volume but in my mind, it seems the QC could replace almost all of the pedal board entirely. It kind of feels like this setup is one foot in the traditional and one foot in the future which seems a little more complicated than being two feet in one setup. Love your playing by the way and your channel in general!
Actually, if you watch my latest rig, rundown, I’m kind of doing precisely what you’re describing on my last tour. And you’re not wrong that using my pedalboard in the way, I just cried here, was because I had many sounds programmed already, and I’m very comfortable with it. I still really love a traditional board and amp setup, it’s nice to be able to just reach down and turn a knob… or hit a pedal on the fly. But can I do everything with a QC and work? Yes. And the travel is nice when you can fit it in a backpack! So I’m kind of doing both these days. Just depends on the gig I used the QC in 4 cable method a couple nights ago for a gig, with my PT 100 head, QC was for all FX, and was also controlling the amp because my amp has Midi so that’s another way to do it.
@@PeteThorn Thank for the response Pete! That all makes total sense. Hope to catch you live sometime....come to Charleston, SC or San Juan Puerto Rico!
Sounds Great.
Was the loop switcher just changing the Quad Cortex, or was it also changing channels on the PT15?
I am a noob to a lot of this tech. Lol. So if you run your amp line out into the qc, are you just using the power section of the amp? And all the tonal qualities come from the cortex?
I don't understand any of this and how you begin to do all this stuff...its crazy...I'm old school I need someone to explain how to do all this stuff in person...like wet dry wet that seems complicated to me but sounds unbelievable...I'm behind the ball on technology...I do like stereo amps thats as far as I can understand...but I know how to get great tone at least
That was awesome. Will you post your set list for this show? That’s a lot of range already.
It’s all over the map from Led Zeppelin to the Beatles to Boston to Rush…
@@PeteThorn You mention it is recorded. Will it be available online anywhere? I’d actually like to see that show.
Hey could do a video or somthing on how to get the 1982 eruption tone
hey...hes done numerous videos on EVHs tone...go find em..its all there.
Super tight man, 🤘✌️
Hi Pete, I have a Slave output from my mesa lonestar, you think can I go to quad cortex input ?
Pete, in the "Rig Rundown" video from the last Classic Rock Show tour in 2019 or 2020, I noticed that you had an HX Stomp on the floor beside your pedal board. Did you use that in a similar way?
very cool sounds ;)
A sensible simplicity with no sacrifice of having your real amp to provide a bit of natural feedback which boosts your own performance by an immeasurable amount. I do the poor mans version with an ir off of my antinuator then pushing about 40 watts tops from my Plexi 50 watt
Agree man! Having the real Amp sound pumping on stage is so much fun and more inspiring. I’m always sticking the guitar into the cabinet for feedback
@@PeteThorn Thank god we got guys like you to adding the best of the old with the new. We don't need stacks but tube amps are gift from the heavens!!! I use a single Neo Creamback thru a tuned single 12 cab that gives me my old Greenbacks in a 12x4 thump. Small is beautiful :-)
Yeah you don’t need tons of stuff up there but it is nice to have a cabin in Stage no matter what! Super helpful
I use mine like this and captor x
So many ribbon mics used. Lol I've only heard 121s but was curious: did the other mics not sound as good or just obsession with ribbon mics? Lol I've now gotten the unit 67 and zio boost on your recommendation (and seeing that you're using it) but I've always wanted to ask: if you needed to change the attack and release, did you end up just using your hands and picking style? Lol always a big fan!!!
I bought the Quad Cortex and so far everything seems to be way over my head, like running it through MIDI the way you explained. I want to use the QC along with my analog pedals through a tube amp, but I can't figure it out.
The only other option is using a Laney LFR 112 or a Laney LFR212 active cabinet. They seem to be the best FRFR active speaker cab choice that I can make.
An idea I had was to use the QC as an effects pedal, with the amp modeling turned off, would that work with a tube amp? Any tips or new ideas?
Sounds great. Good to see you’re using QC fix as well as cabs. Weren’t you tempted to just have a smaller pedalboard and just use the QC and your amp?
Love my board as is, and I’m so comfortable using it
Amazing!
Great video Pete and thanks for sharing. What do you use for back up if the QC decides to fail that night? A second QC or different device or a different rig?
I would just have them throw a mic on the amplifier/cabinet at that point. If the amp were to fail then I would just plug direct into the QC
The same methodology could be used with the fractle fm3? Did you say the line out was a post poweramp line level
Thankyou
sounds great- was that the Hawkins brothers from the Darkness at the end there?
Hi Pete. I'm curious as to why the QC is getting the nod over the H9's, Mobius and Timeline for mods and delay? It's almost the complete opposite of my setup where those effects go to outboard pedals and the QC does the rest.
I’m using the H9 and the Mobius and the timeline with the Amp, sone in front some in the loop- But of course that’s in mono. So running the quad post amp allows me to split to stereo. Also because it’s right at the end of the chain it serves as a back up I could plug my guitar directly into it call up a patch with an amp model and cab sim and rock right into the PA, in the event that my amp or board went down.
Surprised... the QC is not known for its effects, but you're using it just for the reverb, delay and cab sim? there's a lot of pedals on that pedalboard that looks hard to replace...?
Sounds killer. Can I just ask - I presume the line out from the amp is effectively like an FX loop send? i.e. its post preamp but pre postamp? Are you running any power amp sims in the Cortex or just running the preamp into cab sims? Thanks
Should be post PA as his Suhr head has a built in reactive load.
The line out is actually a tap off of the speaker output of the amplifier. If I don’t have a cabinet plugged in then the reactive load does the work the cabinet normally would loading down the amp, and the line out taps out from there - but if a cabinet is plugged in the cabinet works as normal and you just get that tap off the signal right at the output of the amplifier, but at line level. Hope that makes sense. The most important thing is Dash you get the full sound of the amp including the power amp.
You are Yoda of pedalboards
Very cool. I get how it works, but I'm not sure, given the capabilities of your extensive pedal board, why it's needed? It seems to me the advantages over just using the IRs (to the PA) in the PT15 is stereo out to the PA (which isn't commonly used), the ability to use lots of different IRs, and adding effects after the amp (but again, given your pedalboard, I'd think you could get all the effects you need in your tone without requiring that). Are there other advantages?
You’re correct Joe that the main thing was stereo. I wanted stereo in my inears and also in the PA. Could do this with just my pedal board if I was using two amplifiers/cabs. But this was a way to do it using one amp. Easier to bring the quad overseas than bringing another amp and cabinet. Could I do it mono? Yes and it would still be cool but it was really great on certain songs having stereo (Rush especially).
@@PeteThorn Makes perfect sense, thanks. I wasn't considering the in-ear issue.
Thanks so much Pete!
2 Q's-
1.Does the HX Stomp have features similar to this to execute the same application? I will invest in the QC some day.
2. I'm a little confused about the Line Out of your PT15 VS Sending your QC to House w/ Speaker Simulation...isnt that what the line out does? Or is that only half the equation...Thanks!
He's using the onboard speaker cab IRs in the QC. He's not using any speaker simulation out of the PT15(he's bypassed it in the PT15 and is only outputting the raw amp tone from the PT15 into the speaker sims in the QC, then out to the house monitors )
Hi Patrick. Hope you don't mind me jumping in here. The line out of the PT15IR is mono. You can defeat the IR with a switch on the back. Pete was doing this live using the IRs in QC, so able to use the midi on switcher to use different IRs for different songs. It's also good if you are recording but want to use software IRs, gives you the opportunity to make changes after recording. I'm totally committed to my PT15IR, I've never been so impressed by a piece of gear, plus I ended up with so much surplus gear, pedals, amps, cab sims, I sold them which paid for the PT15IR and some.
Hey Pete, can you talk about your mic placement on the cab sims? I’m surprised to see you have them both almost all the way out to the edge of the speaker on every preset. I would think you’d lose too much clarity that way
Yeah I have them out a little further “on the cone” than I would if I was recording, but it just sounded good to me in the PA. And you hear that it’s not actually that dark in the video. Many times playing live, I will place a microphone further out into the con of the speaker than I would if I was recording. I don’t know if this is because of the way that PA systems are EQ’d, or watt, but often a darker or at least a more neutral sound works better in a PA, as compared to when recording I might go for more cut.
With that said there is still further adjustment to move the microphone out further in the virtual cabinet block, it’s not all the way out to the edge. Trust what your ears tell you also not what you see visually. For example with my Dyna mount microphone robotic mounting thing that I use in the studio, the app often shows on screen that I have the mic moved out quite far into the cone, but then when I go look at it on the actual speaker it’s really not that far out at all maybe at Max halfway between the cap and the cone. So you can really only trust your ears.
@@PeteThorn thanks for the thorough reply! I wish I was able to fine tune my settings over a PA, usually I have to trust what my studio monitors are telling me when making my patches and hope it translates live. But then again I’m only hearing the show in my ears, so I’ll never know what the audience is hearing but at least I’ll have a good time lol