KTM/Husky TPI Won't run with dead battery- Tokyo Offroad BLS Cap Kit & FAQ

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  • Опубліковано 9 лис 2024

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  • @fmtnic
    @fmtnic 4 роки тому +5

    This is Great! I ride in places that would be near impossible to tow a bike out of and this makes the TPI bikes a little less frightening to take into remote areas.

  • @chrismicallef1276
    @chrismicallef1276 2 роки тому

    THANKS!! I was about to call about the 9 volt battery! 👍🏽

  • @brianshields5307
    @brianshields5307 4 роки тому +4

    What the heck was KTM thinking,,,,thanks for a great product even though I'm disappointed that it's needed.

  • @jn65100
    @jn65100 2 роки тому +3

    You say the kick start is unreliable without the 9v battery. Will it work at all as the difference between a kick and a bump is surely not much?

  • @Alvarito_ktm
    @Alvarito_ktm 13 днів тому

    Hi, I have a 19 250 tpi with kickstart, I don't understand why you recommend the kit with the preload device if what I want is to be able to start with the kickstart like you do in your first video and it works, without needing another battery. Thanks man

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  12 днів тому

      When I tested kickstarting my 2019 250 TPI over a longer time period (capacitor attached and no battery) I found that sometimes it would start, but other times it wouldn’t. When it didn’t start the engine would load up with fuel making it even more difficult to start. The is the reason I recommend using the precharge harness and fresh 9V battery when kickstarting with a dead battery (and capacitor) as it makes starting consistent. If hill/bump starting the precharge is not required and the bike will start every time with just the capacitor attached

    • @Alvarito_ktm
      @Alvarito_ktm 11 днів тому

      @@TokyoOffroad okay mate, thanks so much !!

  • @Rico_B
    @Rico_B 4 роки тому +1

    Greetings, Love your channel. I’ve a 2020 150 XC-W TPI, do I understand it would not start with a dead battery? It has both elec. and kick start options. Thank you!

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому

      I don't have any experience with the 150 TPI. You could try kickstarting your bike normally, then disconnect the battery and see if it will still start and run. If it doesn't then the BLS Capacitor will probably allow it to bump/hill start and adding the PreCharge harness should allow it to kickstart too.

  • @cnctech3219
    @cnctech3219 3 роки тому

    I contacted the BLS capacitor then started the bike both with push button and kick starter. Then the next day I could not use the push button. It did nothing. But it kick started ok. On my 2019 TE300i

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому

      Please check your battery voltage a charge if below 13V. Be sure to use a battery charge designed for lithium batteries. The BLS Capacitor has very low leakage so will not cause the battery to discharge when the motorcycle is not in use.

  • @billmcintosh2792
    @billmcintosh2792 4 роки тому +3

    Does the capacitor ever need charged?Say my battery dies and I use the capacitor to start bike,is it a 1 and done then throw away or can I keep using it?Will it need charged after i used it?

    • @YogiTheBearMan
      @YogiTheBearMan Рік тому

      The capacitor doesn’t start the bike. You bump start and the capacitor is required for it to even run with dead battery.
      So no you don’t charge the capacitor

    • @williamcox7190
      @williamcox7190 2 місяці тому

      ​@YogiTheBearMan you do charge the capacitor. A capacitor stores energy. That is why a capacitor is needed to kickstart or bump start when the battery is dead. If the capacitor is discharged, it will need to charged again because the capacitor will be drained of its energy. However once the bike is running again the stator should start charging the capacitor. The 9v battery is useful because it can be placed in parallel with the capacitor and charge it up if it is too low to kick start or bump start the bike.

  • @Cee-FJedi
    @Cee-FJedi 3 роки тому

    Thanks again. Out of interest what diode did you use. I wouldn't mind making one for myself as will cost way to much for postage sadly. Thanks.

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому +3

      I can ship up to 7 kits for the same shipping cost if you'd like to do a group buy. Or if you're located in the US you may like to consider purchasing from Tacomoto in Las Vegas and save on shipping. tacomoto.co/products/tokyo-off-road-starting-capacitor

  • @bigals.ktms.9937
    @bigals.ktms.9937 4 роки тому

    Hi yes the capacitors work on efi four stroke been using them for years, with the 9 volts battery with a (diode) obviously only allows charge to go to capacitor but ounce bike is producing it's own power which is over 14v the diode stops it from trying to charge the 9volt.???

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому

      Yes, that's correct. The diode protects the battery from overvoltage.

  • @carlosdias1940
    @carlosdias1940 4 роки тому

    Always great content! How is everything? Taking into consideration the corona issue?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +4

      Here in Japan the Corona Virus situation is similar to many other countries and has impacted most peoples daily lives, especially those who live in busy cities, or commute on crowded trains. Most schools have been closed for sometime now and many people are working from home. The number of confirmed cases is relatively low (1,499 on 3/28 JST), but no doubt the number of actual cases is significantly higher because not everyone is tested. Lock down has not been imposed yet, but people are being urged to stay at home as much as possible and avoid contact with others. Hoping things will get back to normal as soon as possible. Thoughts to all those impacted...

    • @carlosdias1940
      @carlosdias1940 4 роки тому

      @@TokyoOffroad Thank You for your quick reply. Very thorough! It is your nature! Same at my end and not foreseeing to get back on the trails before May. #staysafe :-)

  • @peterbolla74
    @peterbolla74 3 роки тому

    Please specity the diode type, number and capacitor capacity so I can make it myself. The tools are there. Thanks

  • @brucewright6784
    @brucewright6784 Місяць тому

    Should I disconnect my headlight while bump-starting my bike using a capacitor?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  Місяць тому +1

      You don't need to disconnect your headlight to bump start using the BLS capacitor. However, if you think the battery is still OK, but just needs charging, disconnecting the headlight will allow it to charge more quickly.

  • @Cee-FJedi
    @Cee-FJedi 3 роки тому

    Thanks again just wondering why the precharge harness is required for the Kickstarter? Is it a must? Thanks.

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому +2

      I found kickstarting to be inconsistent without the PreCharge harness. Sometime it would start first, or second kick, but other times it wouldn't start and seemed to load up the engine with fuel. Bump/hill starting after that started the engine no problem though. Adding the PreChage harness with a 9V battery charges up the capacitor to 9V so when kickstarting allows the capacitor to reach a high enough voltage for the ECU to operate more quickly than without, with the result that kick starting becomes consistent. Therefore if you need to rely on kick starting if the main battery dies I recommend using the PreCharge harness. And if hill/bump starting only then the PreCharge harness is not necessary.

    • @Cee-FJedi
      @Cee-FJedi 3 роки тому

      @@TokyoOffroad makes perfect sense thanks for quick reply. Cheers.

  • @thegad650
    @thegad650 Рік тому

    What diode did you use please

  • @bankayhoodlum
    @bankayhoodlum 3 роки тому

    Can you connect this only when need via a battery charger quick connect?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому

      Yes, that would be fine. Just be certain to get the polarity right, or the capacitor will be damaged.

  • @WildEnduro
    @WildEnduro 4 роки тому

    Hi Marc... as usual a great video !🙏🏻 need your advice on a friends bike... his rads are lowering the coolant level on every ride. It has Evans waterless coolant in it and no cracks. When the bike gets hot, the coolant drips from the overflows line quite a lot, hence it needs to be topped up for the next ride. Any clue? Tks

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому

      My recommendation is to fit a fan. If you ride slow, steep and gnarly trails the bike will overheat without a fan and coolant will be lost from the overflow. With a working fan I have never overheated my bikes.

    • @WildEnduro
      @WildEnduro 4 роки тому

      The bike has a fan already. It’s even not overheating...

    • @sharpboys3
      @sharpboys3 4 роки тому +1

      @@WildEnduro try running your mates bike with a radiator cap that you know is good, maybe swap them before you ride if you also have a tpi. I had a rad cap go weak on my old 17TE300 and do exactly the same.

  • @jpclayson
    @jpclayson 4 роки тому

    I've seen a lot of people complain about their TPI bikes being difficult to start cold, especially on the 2019 models. Will this make them easier to start in general?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +2

      I have a 2019 KTM 250 EXC TPI. My starts easily with the electric start. The BLS Capacitor will certainly ease starting if the battery is failing and allow hill/bump starting and kick starting. However, if the battery is in good condition it won't affect starting.

    • @lifesneverboring
      @lifesneverboring 4 роки тому +1

      You should look into the throttle body idle screw modification - the air bypass screw can make TPIs harder to start because the mixture is too lean.

  • @ardhorenaissance1580
    @ardhorenaissance1580 4 роки тому

    Hope U figure something out for 2020 KTM XCF-500 !!!

    • @bigals.ktms.9937
      @bigals.ktms.9937 4 роки тому

      Use same thing

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +1

      I'm pretty sure the BLS Capacitor will work great with your 500. There is no reason why it wouldn't work, I just haven't tested it as I don't currently have access to one.

  • @limbandtreeremoval
    @limbandtreeremoval 3 роки тому +2

    Why doesn't KTM put it in the bike from the factory/ stock..?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому

      As mentioned in the video they do on some of the bikes. Not sure why they don't on all of them. Cost?

  • @Huskyrider4Life
    @Huskyrider4Life Рік тому

    On a 2020 Husqvarna TE300I Running a Rekluse Clutch without a Kickstart, which Harness do you Suggest?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for your interest. As you don't have a kickstarter there is no need for the precharge harness. Just the BLS capacitor connected will allow you to hill, or bump start and run your bike with a completely flat battery.

    • @Huskyrider4Life
      @Huskyrider4Life Рік тому

      With the Rekluse does it only Freewheel Backwards? Bumps tasting forward is ok, I don't need the Kickstart?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  Рік тому

      @@Huskyrider4Life - Missed the detail that you have a Rekluse. If you have a Rekluse clutch slave then it's possible to bump/hill start if you adjust the clutch slave as demonstrated in this video: ua-cam.com/video/-byt5RiwIPs/v-deo.htmlsi=M4BbYtCJ-cvPR5N8

  • @PXEETVLACHAINEENDURO
    @PXEETVLACHAINEENDURO Рік тому

    Hello , this capacitor it's ok for the TBI 2024 ?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for your interest. It's on my to do list to complete testing on the 2024 TBI with the capacitor.What I know so far for my 2024 KTM 300 EXC: 1) Dead battery and no capacitor- Hill start, the bike starts, runs for a few seconds, then dies. 2) Dead battery and Tokyo Offroad BLS Cap- Hill start, the bike starts and runs, but the engine light comes on. Engine light turns off when good battery connected and running. As such I'm looking into creating a new updated BLS capacitor specifically for the 2024 TBI bikes. I'll make a video about it soon.

  • @footit
    @footit 9 місяців тому +1

    Is it 3024 TBI compatible?
    Thanks

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  9 місяців тому

      I have tested it on my 2024 KTM 300 EXC TBI. Without a BLS Capacitor and the battery disconnected to simulate a dead battery, the bike will not run (hillstart- runs for a couple of seconds then dies). With the BLS Capacitor connected it can run no problem following a hill start. However, it should be noted that the ECU Engine light will flash. Once a good battery is reconnected a flash code stops.

    • @binstunting1
      @binstunting1 Місяць тому

      Would a dead battery cause engine light n gas light to come in the last few minutes of riding ? Before cutting off n can’t start back for good ?

  • @rtimetoride7645
    @rtimetoride7645 3 роки тому

    What about 2021Te300. Does it need a Cap?

  • @jamesbiro1150
    @jamesbiro1150 4 роки тому

    If my bike will not start because I left the light on or other, do I have to disconnect the battery after I get it stated using the Capacitor? I understand if the battery is so dead or damaged, it is dangerous to have the Stator charge the battery once I get it running again. I am actually interested in wiring in your capacitor with an Anti-Gravity Sport battery in case I am alone and can not bump start my 500 EFI. Thoughts?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +1

      There is no need to disconnect the battery. You should be able to bump start the bike if you have a BLS Capacitor connector and the battery might recover while riding if it’s not damaged.

  • @woodsrider117
    @woodsrider117 3 роки тому

    So does this work for Beta efi???? If it doesn’t are you going to have some that will work for Betas for sale?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому

      Yes, it should work OK (don't see a reason why it shouldn't). I personally haven't tried in a Beta, but quite a few customers have purchased for their KTM and Husqvarna 4-stroke EFi bikes and it works fine in them.

  • @Motoseaner
    @Motoseaner 3 роки тому

    Can you put this on the bike when the battery is already dead in an emergency or does it already have to be installed to work? Thank you

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, you could carry it in your backpack and fit it if the battery dies. It'll work no problem. The capacitor will charge up and maintain a steady voltage when the bike is bump/hill started, or kick started...

  • @f3verMonkey
    @f3verMonkey 4 роки тому

    Buying now...

  • @gotdirt66
    @gotdirt66 8 місяців тому

    Will this work on the Gas gas TPI bikes?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  8 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for your interest. Yes, it'll work on all year TPI bikes including GasGas.

  • @nunyobizkneez
    @nunyobizkneez 4 роки тому

    So this BLS kit without 9v Precharge will only bump start if the bike has been running recently. For example, I my battery dies over a few days of sitting, the BLS kit without 9v precharge will not bump start my bike? I would need the 9v precharge kit to be able to bump start from cold? Am I understanding correctly?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +3

      With the BLS Cap fitted it’ll bump start fine with a completely dead battery even if the bike hasn’t been run recently. The BLS Cap is charged by the stator during the bump start and the bike is then able to start an run. The 9V harness is only required for kick starting. When kick starting the engine (and stator) only turn over for a short time.and often the charge voltage of the BLS capacitor will not rise high enough to allow the bike to start. By connecting the 9V harness and a 9V battery it precharges the BLS capacitor to 9V then when you kick start the voltage is able to reach a sufficiently high enough level to reliably start bike. If you only plan to bump start the bike if the battery dies you don’t need the 9V PreCharge harness...

    • @nunyobizkneez
      @nunyobizkneez 4 роки тому

      @@TokyoOffroad perfect! thank you. this is next on my list of redundancy measures to help keep me from getting stranded in the middle of nowhere.

  • @qb7384
    @qb7384 2 роки тому

    Work with crf450rl?

  • @fb1532
    @fb1532 3 роки тому

    i have a capacitor from my ossa trial injected 2 stroke motorcycle, do you think it could be used on my 2020 Husqvarna te 250i

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому

      Possibly, although I don't know the specs of the Ossa capacitor.

  • @Mr.Cyberdude
    @Mr.Cyberdude 4 роки тому +3

    Can someone here loan Tokyo Offroad a 2020 Husqvarna FE 501 or God forbid a 701 for them to do a PUSH START TORTURE test on a 4-Stroke.

    • @Cee-FJedi
      @Cee-FJedi 4 роки тому +4

      Just upragde to a 2 stroke!

  • @enduroa.k.o
    @enduroa.k.o 4 роки тому

    Do you supply these to anyone in the uk I could buy this from?

  • @lucsergerie1835
    @lucsergerie1835 4 роки тому

    Great content love the video rarely I see someone as picky and technical as me lol I suspect a engineer or a Airline pilot :) ...Captain Luc Sergerie Airbus 330

  • @dirthurts
    @dirthurts 3 роки тому

    Need this for a '21 KTM EXC?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, I have a 2021 KTM 300 EXC TPI and they are not fitted standard with a capacitor and will not run if the battery is dead without a capacitor.

    • @dirthurts
      @dirthurts 3 роки тому

      @@TokyoOffroad geeez thats dissapointing. Thanks for the quick reply.

  • @spudnick100
    @spudnick100 2 роки тому

    What about a ktm450exc 2019 is it the same?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  2 роки тому

      Yes, you can use a BLS capacitor on your 450 EXC to allow the engine to run even with a complete dead battery.

  • @michail1963
    @michail1963 4 роки тому

    what happened to your 2017 250 EXC?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +1

      Nothing, I still have my 2017 (actually have two now) and ride it every week...

    • @michail1963
      @michail1963 4 роки тому

      Tokyo Offroad same here...Ive now sent my outer tubes and ohlins shock body over to japan for Kashima coating...want the bike to last as long as possible...have 400hrs on it now

  • @ShaneTuckerDesignAndPhoto
    @ShaneTuckerDesignAndPhoto 4 роки тому +2

    I tried to order one of these and was pleased to learn the price was only $35. Then I saw that shipping was $25. CANCEL order.

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +3

      Thanks for your interest. Yes, normally I ship to the US using Japan Post registered Airmail (US$7), but unfortunately this service has been suspended since April 2020 due to Coronavirus. The current shipping charge (US$25) is for UPS (2-3days), or Yamato with final delivery by UPS. I know the shipping is expensive, but currently it's the best I could do...

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +2

      I should mention that multiple items can be shipped for the same shipping cost (Eg. 4 BLS cap ship for the same price) so there is some cost saving if you buy for your riding buddies too...

    • @ShaneTuckerDesignAndPhoto
      @ShaneTuckerDesignAndPhoto 4 роки тому

      @@TokyoOffroad what is Yamato? Is that an option for me?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +2

      @@ShaneTuckerDesignAndPhoto Both services are the same price. Currently the preferred shipping method to the US is by UPS as it's very fast (usually 2 days). But some ZIP codes have a delivery surcharge which doubles the shipping fee. For these cases I use Yamato (Japanese delivery company) which outsources to UPS for final delivery. Unfortunately right now a cheap delivery service to the US isn't available. As soon a Japan Post Airmail service resumes to the US I will start offering that again. I apologize for the inconvenience.

  • @f3verMonkey
    @f3verMonkey 4 роки тому

    This applies to 2020 TPis or not?

    • @YogiTheBearMan
      @YogiTheBearMan Рік тому

      There’s a list on the website. Depends which model

  • @joeybishop7604
    @joeybishop7604 4 роки тому

    Why not just carry a Antigravity XP-1 Micro Start ?

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +1

      The capacitor solution is reliable, light weight and relatively cheap. IMO it's a good solution to a problem which hopefully won't happen that often. Yes, there are other solutions available such as carrying a rechargeable battery such as the one you mentioned.

    • @bigals.ktms.9937
      @bigals.ktms.9937 4 роки тому +2

      It's the (kiss theory) but is bullet proof.

  • @macdemarco1476
    @macdemarco1476 Рік тому

    Every time I’ve tried this the capacitor dies as soon as I try to push start it

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  Рік тому

      The job of the capacitor in this application is to smooth the voltage and allow the bike to run when the main battery is dead. You should be able to hill/bump start and run the bike with the capacitor connected. The capacitor does not store enough charge to allow electric starting if the battery is dead, or not connected.

  • @ello-mz6om
    @ello-mz6om 4 роки тому

    isnt this a little pricy for a cap and a few wires? i would rather take a cheap jumpstart kit with me!

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +5

      Are you taking about battery jump start cables? Immediately you disconnect the jump start cables the TPI engine will stop running. You'd need to either use a capacitor, or other battery to keep it running. If the Tokyo Offroad BLS Capacitor kits are too expensive you can possibly save some money by making your own. There's a good thread on KTM Talk which covers this topic in detail if you want to make your own...

    • @rztrzt
      @rztrzt 4 роки тому +2

      Make your own, gonna cost you less than $5.
      10000µF 25V Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitors Radial, Can 2000 Hrs @ 85°C, 16 gauge wire, some terminals, heat-shrink and bob's your uncle.

    • @TokyoOffroad
      @TokyoOffroad  4 роки тому +18

      @@rztrzt - I use 105degC rated 50V caps. I would not recommend 25V, but if making your own it's really up to you. The cap is dipped to weather proof it. Yes, you could save money making your own if you don't factor in your time (ordering parts and making) and tool cost (soldering iron, heat gun, terminal crimp tool, pliers, cutters). My uncle's name is Mike.

    • @bigals.ktms.9937
      @bigals.ktms.9937 4 роки тому

      @@rztrzt yer u definitely need 50 volts

    • @paolotognato9681
      @paolotognato9681 4 роки тому

      Tokyo Offroad 15000 uf ???