Pac-Man Museum+ SHOULD'VE Been Better - Review
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The Disappearance of Ms. Pac-Man:
• The Disappearance of M...
Season: 4
Episode: 07
#PacMan #PacManMuseum+ #nintendoswitch
The "shimmering" I mention is-barely noticeable because of a post bilinear filter Vegas uses when scaling clips.
The best idea of what it looks like is at 10:24 if you want to get a rough idea what "pixel shimmering" is.
7:30, you spelt original wrong. 0/10.
You know I can ignore most of the problems you stated, but I agree with you about the switch controllers not being good for this game
Bro, none of these problems are that big of a deal. Calm down, virgin
@@404Errored oops. I was editing this with zero sleep and never looked back lol
Why tf do you say the word "remember" as "reNember" in all of your videos??? Are you stupid?
7:41 missed opportunity to call “Pac-Mom” “Pac-Ma’am” instead 🙄
Honestly I'm surprised they aren't doing Ms. Pac-man as DLC like they did with the previous Pac-Man Museum. Selling it as it's own cheap DLC meant they only had to pay royalties on the DLC's cost, not the cost of the entire collection.
Hopefully that comes later, but I'm not holding my breath
Have you forgotten the Namco vs Atgames thing?
@@someone6531 I mentioned that in my comment. They got around that with the previous collection by selling Mrs. Pac-Man as DLC, so instead of paying royalties on the sales of the collection, they only had to pay on sales of the DLC itself
@@theotakux5959 ah, you right, sorry
@@theotakux5959 In 2019, they lost the ability to release ANYTHING with Ms. Pac-Man in it.
Since I didn't see this mentioned in the video, Super Pac-Man in Museum+ uses the faster Japanese ROM as opposed to the English ROM. In the Japanese version, when you're powered up by a Super Pellet, you move much, much faster when holding down the Speed button, which only makes the control delay/latency even more obvious.
Pac-Mania, which also has some pretty bad latency on its own, feels even worse to play in Museum+.
I have a secret
I have no problems running my pattern on super pac-man on the xbox.
hit 110k, and will eventually get to my normal 300k plus.
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Is pac-mania the version that skips levels?
@@bland9876 No it does not. I think its the Japanese version.
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I've played multiple ports of Pac-Mania and haven't experienced any latency.
I mean this is probably my GOTY. Not sure why, I've just been obsessed with actually getting good at Pacman. Like a bucket list kind of thing.
Pacman is a completely different game once you get really good at it. But, that's not really a benefit of the collection. It just so happens that the collection was the game which spurred me onto doing it.
I do think it is a great collection though from a variety point. But it's still lacking a few games which would elevate it into top tier.
You have pac man fever
As someone who never played Pac-Man games, outside of the first one and Ghostly Adventures, I'm really sold.
I’ve actually been going through a similar thing. Finally learning how to get good at Pac-Man has been really fun.
Yeah if they’d added the Pac-Man world games to it then it might’ve been worthwhile but for now it’s just painfully mediocre.
I always enjoy seeing your chill takes on games in comments or social media! Really goes to show that just cuz you're lonely don't mean you gotta be grumpy haha
2:49: "Next time someone tells you that this games an Isometric game, you give them a big ol' kiss...I mean you tell them your wrong."
That sounds like an Romantic entanglement waiting to go wrong.
🤓"It's not isometric, it's cavalier."
I'm only kidding, of course.
Fun fact: Ms. Pac-Man still appears in Pac-Man Arrangement (2005) in the end credits which I find funny because of how hard they tried to hide her
(16:00) Tbf there actually is a game list, you access by pressing the plus button in the arcade and it will appear on the side. Tho they do never actually tell you about it lol.
Playing Pac-in-time on this collection to unlock Pac-Attack was one of the most miserable gaming experiences I’ve ever had
You Know You Could Of Just Killed Pac-Man A Few Times. That’s What I Did. Pac In Time Sucks.
Same I unlocked pac in time just a few hours and I bought this game at launch other than that this game is superior
The game absolutely sucks until world 2, then it’s better but still not great, and the Japanese version is the worst one and the US version is more forgiving from what I have seen
@@JonahBoing I meant pac man museum plus is superior not pac in time
@@EthiotendoEdits I know, I am saying that Pac in Time is bad until world 2, this game is great I love it lol
"144 gigahertz monitor" Damn where can I get a monitor that fast
144,000,000,000 refreshes a second. Ima be clicking on heads so well with that thing
The pac is back.
Pac's our hero
Pac just can't be beat yeahhh!
The pac is back.
Pac bac
He’s a chowing down machine
I've played on both Pacman Battle Royale machine models irl.
That is a great reason to buy it, if you needed justification. But no custom design for it kinda sucks quite a bit
I've only ever seen the table top version
Honestly this inclusion would and could make it a good pick for PC-based multicades or something of the nature
I've also noticed that the arcade room has some strange collision issues when placing certain objects near each other.
Two big downsides to this collection: No online multiplayer despite having 5 multiplayer games AND emulation sound issues
I think its best for this game to not have online mutiplayer. Like who's going to be playing this game after many months?
No deal without Ms. /Jr. / Plus / Baby / Mr. & Mrs. (pinball) / Professor Pac-Man. I get it, weird rights issues, but those Bally Midway Pac sequels were an essential part of arcades in the early 80s (even the weird ones)... ESPECIALLY Ms. PacMan... which is superior in every way to PacMan and which stuck around in laundromats, bars and rest stops LONG after OG Pacman and the arcade scene went away. It's a damn shame.
Also I kinda hoped for a way to use the “Fast” version of Pac-Man, which is really really fun.
Baby Pac-man would be tough to port since there's that whole pinball part of the game.
I wish they included the world games since I love 3D platform games and I would love to try ‘em out
impossible
They'd have to edit out the characters and unlockable games Midway created and since the characters appear in pre-rendered cutscenes, that would be impossible.
Just emulate the games if you have a means of doing so.
@@PipeGuy64Bit Is that the reason there isn't anymore Pac-Man world games?
@@PipeGuy64Bit That was a huge missed opportunity, but honestly, I get it.
hey
Gamedev here, Unity is NOT at fault for any issues in this collection, that is all down to the developer.
Addressing Unity as the source of these issues is pretty harmful for younger gamedevs and its a common mistake I see people make.
Any issues here caused by what the developer programmed, not the engine that the developers used. If they had done this on any other engine I'm sure these problems would still persist.
Yes
But he never blamed unity. He just said that unity probably wasn't the best choice for arcade game emulation
Did you even watch the whole video?
He wasn't blaming unity, he was blaming the game devs for using unity when they could have made an engine that they would know how to work with. Rather than an engine that isn't 100% suited for doing this specific task.
I feel like you missed the point of the video if this is your takeaway...
This video was about the fact that namco took the easy route instead of using the inhouse emulator they already have 🤓
Wow, I remember playing Pac-Man Battle Royale once a long time ago. I’m surprised to see it here.
I would love to see a Pac-Man World remake collection like what they did with Crash, including all the 3 Pac-Man World games + Pac-Man World Rally, sadly, this will never happen.
Well dude,i think you're veeeery wrong (Pac man world re pac OMG)
@@HGHLTE TF I JUST SAW THIS LMAO
8:45 this is actually misinformation. Unity was used for the arcade menu, and porting the 3D/Modern games over. The games that are emulated aren't "emulated through Unity"
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Great video! Goes much more on the details than the other reviews.
There are some stuff you forgot to mention that are wrong with this collection.
1. The coin system : I feel like the coins draining when inserting a coin was such a bad addition imo. It's bothering me when I'm trying to get perfect patterns over and over by trying again.
2. The roms themselves: You kinda mentioned it while talking about Pac in Time, but it feels like they have chosen the worst roms possible.
For example:
Super Pac-Man has the harder japanese rom.
Pac-Mania is the japanese rom which, while containing more levels, is noticeably slower in its first part...
A quick rom edit would've perfected the game by mixing both.
Also where the hell are the options and stage select screens on these roms????
On collections such as Namco Museum Megamix, the emulator's engine handeled menus that gave you the choice to either start the game or begin at the desired stage, while having built-in screen settings and sound testing.
They could've at least used the Pac-Man 25th version, that allowed you to continue if you still had credits.
Arcade games were unforgiving and not having basic abilities like this feel lackluster.
Even the stage selection on Pac-Mania is missing, and it was available on the original arcade!
Disappointing collection sadly.
Definitely more excited for Klonoa 1+2 remasters from Bandai Namco next month
Honestly, I wish Bandai Namco would just up and rerelease Pac-Man World the moment they get the rights to Ms. Pac Man back.
Why can't they just buy the rights?
@@Gemdation Atgames
You can actually bring up a normal game list by pressing the +/menu/options button in the arcade.
Not only that, you have no dip switches where you can adjust the lives, no speed hack for Pac-Man, plus pacmania has a stage select and continue feature removed
For anyone who hasn't noticed, they finally updated it. It's playable now
What did the update improve?
I wish they expanded on the arcade part, but that's just me. The selection is great, and the achievements has spurred me to wanting to get good at pac man so badly. I just wish they would also give more attention to the other arrangement titles like dig dug and galaga arrangement which is some of namcos best arcade games. Also wish they would give some of the pac man world games some love.
Got it on the Xbox Gamepass, and even tho I really enjoy me some Pac Man, it kinda felt underwhelming? I dunno what I was expecting, as it is just a Pac Man Collection. But I think the way the game just puts you into that preset arcade area, and those 500 coins just being there at the start, threw me off a little. Might just be my impression tho.
I'm glad other people other than myself are noticing the input delay on some of these games. I think it's at its worst in Super Pac-Man, Pac & Pal, and especially Pac-Mania and Pac-Land. In Pac-Mania, I immediately notice it when Pac-Man takes too long to output a jump... and I know I won't survive the later rounds with that shit. And in Pac-Land, I swear it's impossible to jump over this long body of water where you're required to repeatedly tap the "Move right" button or stick. (I have the Switch version btw)
I don't notice it as much in the other games, though. I'm a little dubious on Pac-Man Arrangement '96, but I've been able to play it well.
You're better off getting the Arcade Archives ports of Super Pac-Man, and Pac-Land. WAY more options with gameplay and I know for a fact that at least that version of Pac-Land's input delay is lower.
Try going through a boost and turning while boosting. You'll notice it
@@uhhh_adam I might've noticed that, actually. I guess I also adapted to it as well since I'm very familiar with the game's mazes at this point, heh.
That said, I swear it seems like I'm getting some dropped input in Pac-Man Arrangement '96. Sometimes Pac-Man will miss a turn despite the fact that I was pressing the stick in that turn well in advance. It happens sporadically as well.
Game Maker's Toolkit tweeted a clip of your video with some criticism of it. Expect more negative comments soon.
I don't know why he unlisted it but he made a response video about that when it happened: ua-cam.com/video/mRXv7Gdt67A/v-deo.html
13:15 I find that shit so funny since they went out of their way to change Ms. Pac-Man, Pac Jr, and the baby but couldn’t bother to change the text.
New SilokHawk upload, let's go! ^^ I love hearing your takes on things, will definitely watch later after I take care of some planning. You cover a lot of niche topics that are very interesting.
Fun Facts :(1) Pac Motos is Based on Motos Arrangement released through Namco Museum Vol 2 in Japan on the PSP.
(2) Pac Man Arrangement for the PSP has a Plus Version on that game as well. Featuring skins from Ms. Pac Man, Garobda, Mappy, ToyPop, DigDug II, and The Tower of Duraga(which also got an anime series).
(3) Pac Man Battle Royale has almost 5 to 7 Casino Counterparts where people battle for money.
(4) Pac Man Championship Edition had a World Championship back when it first came out brought to you by Quiznos, and there was a Pac Man Documentary that aired on the History Channel going into the background of the event and or the developnent of the game.
Wii Tanks Guy is Grobda Guy when discussing Namco
Playing it now and I love it :-D. But...Pac-Panick is driving me nuts to complete.
But I feel Namco could have included a few more Pac-Man games from the past (excluding those they are in legal BS with);
- Pac-Man 2: The New Adventures = Easy one to include and as it was the sequel to Pac-Land, it fits.
- Professor Pac-Man = An arcade obscure game in the franchise but again, easy to include.
- Some more of the Namco Museum Remix games from the Wii would have been fun to have included.
Has nobody noticed that they scrubbed any mention of Baby and Jr Pac-Man?
Honestly the only other things this collection really needs aside from no more input lag is having Ms. Pac-Man back, as well as Pac-Man Jr., Maze Madness, Adventures of Time, and maybe Championship Edition DX+. Aside from those though, idk what else you’d add apart from the Pac-Man World games, but those IMO deserve their own game. Online multiplayer would be nice too. Also bring back the multiplayer for Pac-Man Arrangement CS!
I’d like multiplayer for arrangement console in the future but I don’t think it will be for museum plus. I can only imagine how much work that would be for a regular patch. Sorry if I sound pessimistic.
I just really want to see Pac-man world 2 again
Never knew why Ms. Pac-Man wasn't in Museum+ until now
I guess maybe that can also be a reason why we might not get a Pac-Man World collection right now because she's in the first and third game
Well this was short lived
I really hope they fix a number of these problems in a patch, though mostly performance and technical hiccups. I recently got this on Switch for about half price and during the one time I played Pac-Mania, there was an audio glitch during my first play though, which didn't stop until I quit out of that game.
This would've been a great collection if it wasn't for all these issues. It could've even been a better collection than its predecessor we got over 10 years ago for Pac-Man's 30th anniversary. But I guess it really comes down to how much all of this is a bother to you. This collection and Sonic Origins both deserved to be better than what they turned out, but at least Namco had the decency to not remove all of their previous digital releases of Pac-Man that are already featured in this one.
But the pacman eats the dots in the screen size option Silok. the pacman eats the dots
“If there’s any game that hurts from latency it’s Pac Man”
*laughs in DDR*
Wasn't aware of input delay in this collection, might rethink on buying this game or wait for it to go on sale, since that definitely makes or breaks fast-paced games like this for me. Read some Steam reviews and it seems it isn't just exclusive to Switch or Xbox either, so take of that what you will.
Pacman CEDX + the all you can eat pack. should've been included but it's definitely an amazing experience with all other titles included, the original championship edition is a very good bonus
If only the sound emulation wasn't warbly...
There is no excuse, it was 2022. Emulation of those games should be perfect by now.
13:45 i think you just meant "hertz" here, unless your screen refreshes tens of thousands of times per second...which if thats the case, let me see that monitor 😅
Is it just me, or did they remove the crosses from the churches in PAC Land?
the pac may or may not be back, we're still not sure
My local cinema got rid of the pac man battle royal cabinet and I've been mad ever since
@6:52 I take it this is why the Baby Pac-Man video game/pinball hybrid didn’t make the cut.
I was about to ask "What about Pac-Man World?" but that short spiel about Ms. Pac-Man answered it for me since she appears in that game...
And it's a bugger too, because they we can see that they clearly have a functioning model of Pac-Man so they could have made a HD remake of that game. It is, in my opinion at least, a CLASSIC platformer from the era!
EDIT: And not long after watching this video... what gets announced?
someone also pointed out that pac-man's idle animations are references to the ones in the world games
@@ric4455. It really does seem like the team WANTED to remake those games, then...
Or maybe make a fourth.
I have no clue why I bought the physical Switch version of this game. Also yeah, this game should've been better overall. I found it weird that they only included a couple of Namco Museum Remix mini games. I would think they would've been better off just including all. But as we see with the settings, they clearly didn't want to take the time to do that. $20 really is a good deal for these games, but even though little graphical changes don't bother me too much, the lag sure was noticeable for me. I hope there will be an update to fix some of that stuff one day.
The battle royal is the only reason I bought it hahaha. There’s an Apple Arcade version call party royal but none of my friends want to subscribe to Apple Arcade. Wish I could just buy it
Jonii recommends SilokHawk's New Super Luigi U video in his Year of Luigi video
And
SilokHawk recommends Jonii's Ms. Pac-Man video in his Pac-Man Museum+ video
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Dig Dug will forever be my favorite Bandai Namco game, it’s simplistic yet complex. Hard yet frustrating. Addicting too. It blows PAC-Man out the window. But I adore PAC-Man Championship Edition 2.
To me, Mappy is the best game Namco has ever created. In my opinion, Mappy puts both Dig Dug and Pacman to shame. Mappy is really fun, with lot of great gameplay mechanics. It's simple, yet it has a lot going for it, especially the strategy behind it. It also has one of the catchiest themes in video game history. Mappy is the best game ever in my opinion. I wish Namco makes a new Mappy game.
@@retrofan4963 I’m not sure if I’ve ever tried Mappy, but I’ll be heading to my retro arcade for it. Or just find a switch game. Thanks for the recommendation!
@@harpuavids No problem. You can recently get Mappy on the Switch. The original Arcade version of Mappy is ported to Arcade Archives in the Switch eshop service. And the NES version of Mappy is included in Namco Museum Archives Vol.1, which you can also get on the Switch.
Here's a Gameplay sample of the original Arcade version of Mappy if you're curious how it plays. Let me know if you can see the link here.
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EVERYONE WAKE UP SILOKHAWK POSTED
There is a game list. You press + in the arcade.
Ms. Pac-man is actually in pac-man museum plus, in pac-man arrangement (psp) in the credits (I'm not sure if she comes up in multiplayer or if she is pac-mom there)
I hope that Bandai Nanco gets the rights to Ms. Pac Man back
It is 2022, and fan-emulation is still billions of lightyears ahead of any commercial product. Sadly this will never change, as getting good at emulation is pricey, while fans who make emulators have years upon years of doing nothing BUT improve that one project.
It's a sad truth, but no emulator that publically releases will ever be as good as fan emulation, especially for older consoles. Hell, even PS3 is getting there and that was always considered undoable, or close to at least
Maybe one day they can have a patch to fix some of these issues? It seems like a solid collection and I would definitely play if they ironed out some of the problems mentioned.
I personally am having a blast with this game but for everyone else’s sake: Let’s hope so.🤞
Pac-Man 256 is great! I got it on steam a while back and it's got some good replay value and progression, like you said. Shame about the rest of the fit & finish.
Pac In Time is actually a reskin of the obscure Amiga game Fury Of The Furries that was made to act as a sequel to Pac Man 2: The New Adventures.
I really wish they would port the Pacman world trilogy, I really want to play those again and if they made this collection $30 with them included, I would be fine with that
how about $30 for just the first game
Honestly ive become a pac man fan recently and excited to play the good and the bad!
I hope that Namco will add a pixel perfect mode in a future update:)
Not to mention fix the after mentioned input lag and other issues
You mentioned the lack of a list to select between games without walking up to a cabinet which you can do but pressing the + button
they had to use the japanese rom because the western release uses references to "Ms. Pac-Man" and namco does not own the rights to that character anymore
A few times you call out some comments as being "who cares" tier, like the pixel details and the input lag, but I think stuff like that is extra important to call out in a review. I struggle to notice things like that, so I often rely on people who are sensitive to it to let me know what's good and what's not, because unless it's something you're exceedingly passionate about, it'll go over your head (like it does mine). Things like poor pixel presentation and input lag are the sort of things that most people DO notice, but don't understand, so they just have a vague feeling of "this feels bad and I can't explain why". There is an explanation; it's this! It's little things like that that they might not understand, but do exist and are real problems. If something like that doesn't bother you, then you can just ignore the statement and judge the game as if that wasn't a problem, but I like to know the depths of what makes something a poor port. I want to be playing games in the best way possible.
Dan Videogames from GigaBoots is also a tech enthusiast and understands a lot about input lag and visual fidelity. I recommend him and his channel to anyone who wants someone who can help them deep dive and understand the technical aspects of video games. And I highly encourage SilokHawk to continue including stuff like that in his reviews; it's very important, even if a lot of people will just ignore it.
Can you review Sonic Origins after it comes out? This was a pretty good video and I would love to see your thoughts on that collection
14:44 But what about the NSO controllers, such as the NES Online controllers, the SNES Online controller and the N64 Online controller?
there is a game list
What's the song in the background?
I appreciated the extra amount of detail in this review! Super helpful!
You just need to press options (on PS) to see the game list
They missed an opportunity for Pac-Ma’am
I remember playing Pac-Man br on my iPod touch back in the day it was just a demo and i think its been delisted but boy was it fun
The NON Super Nintendo of Pac in Time is actually a reskin of an awesome game named Fury of the Furries !
The Macintosh version was awesome ! Thanks Kalisto !
There is a normal game list of you press select
16:01 "A game list in general would've been a nice feature"
FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK *_PRESS THE PLUS BUTTON_*
My local arcade has Pac man battle Royale in the four pedestal setup.
If I had a dollar for every time pac man was re released I'd be richer than Jeff bezos
Fun fact, you would actually have $560
@@johnjohnson1351 💀
@@EthiotendoEdits it’s actually tripled since my comment believe it or not
@@johnjohnson1351oh dang
Pac-Man the best game to repackage every year at a marked up rate!
My arcade used to have a Battle Royale but it was replaced by some remake of the original game called Ticket Mania or something that used the Ghostly Adventures design on the cabinet.
Nothing against OG Pac-Man gameplay, but I played Battle Royale *every time I went* and it just disappeared like nothing, I was pretty young at the time and it was really upsetting
Did this game ever get an update to address the shimmering and lag issues?
imagine not preventing pixel shimmering in an emulator lmao
Hey Atgames is good for the money, 20 bucks for Burgertime, Lock and Chase, Ghouls and Ghosts, Strider, Megaman 1 and 2, Galaga, it's great. The 2600 retro's are great too, not many ways to really enjoy that stuff legally at the low price points.
3:20 i think yoshi story would fit into this sub genre too
Regardless of collectibles, the requirements for beating a level in a Yoshi game is still just "get to the end"
@@silokhawk Yoshi's Story is an outlier in this case though
@@9VoltVideo I completely forgot that game existed lol
@@silokhawk i thought you couldn’t progress until you collected enough fruit though but now idk its been a while
What's the name of the Background music at 0:40?
I tried this out on my pc and wow is it bad. I kept getting stuck in the corners in pac-man, the vertical sync is SO BAD, and the arcade just sounds awful with so many noises from machines. Also I thought the 720p wouldn't be that low quality for battle royale but oh boy it looks terrible.
13:12 What makes it even worse with using the Japanese version of Pac-In-Time is that this version is EVEN HARDER than the American version so expect lots of instant KO moments and more frustration. I still enjoy this collection but I didn't like Pac-In-Time.
You could buy a Nintendo switch joystick USB for Pac-Man? Plus there's a Bluetooth one that allows your handheld mode on like a arcade screen?
Pretty exaggerating for every gamer collection like Mario 3D all stars.
"Pac-Mom" really, couldn't have gone with a "Pac-Mam" pun? It even sounds better.
If they wanted to make this better they should have a DLC for the Pac-Man World trilogy and for the rest of the Arrangement games for Galaga and Dig Dug while updating the music to the ps2 version, something that was messed up with Pac-Man Arrangement arcade version.
From where I living,pac man battle Royal is more commonly found at a local Dave and busters.
13:45 Im sorry but 144 GIGA-hertz... niceeeeeeeee
I want to assume the assets used in the HUB world are for a Pac-Man World remake but I have a feeling the legal BS regarding Ms. Pac-Man got it cancelled or is holding it back.
You do realize if they're making a REMAKE of the World games, they can just use the replacement characters made for this game, right?
@@DuelmasterX3 Sadly, Pac-Man World 1 uses Missy's leitmotif's in it's OST a lot. So they'd either need to cough up and solve the royalty issues or recompose the entire soundtrack from scratch, the latter would probably be much more expensive than just getting the original uncompressed OST from Tommy Talirico.
I knew this collection has input lag, but I didn't know it was worse on xbox than on switch.
That's the problem, we need Jr. Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man, No Pac-Sis and Pac-Mom.
Just want to say there is a game list. unless it wasn't there on launch?