I appreciate you taking the time to make this, Craig! Yes I do not mix and record my own audio.. I just play the drums lol. I will be making some big changes in my sound, but I really appreciate the kind words and letting everyone know what’s up! Much love dude.
Bro no matter what any of these comments say just remember YOU are above all of that and YOU are on top of your game right now! On tour living your dream and your band is killing it! Use samples and quantize or do whatever the fuck you want cuz your doing it right and it’s obviously working out for you man!
One thing I appreciate about your videos in general is that you seem to care about the audience understanding what's real and what isn't. You don't drag drummers for their playing or use of samples, you just point out when a video doesn't match what we're hearing in the speakers.
Thank you for finally making a video SPECIFICALLY about him. It's so obviously sampled and edited and I'm tired of people acting like its all him. Again, it doesn't mean he deserves to be ripped to shreds and he IS an amazing player, but it's so clearly fake in videos.
The guys clearly a monster player, no question about it! But I reckon it’s more the culture of producing perfectly quantised/sample replaced content. I personally don’t like it and how companies push the shit outta these guys. I just think it sets unrealistic standards for everyone who doesn’t produce that kind of content.
@@Spermwhales93 So I’ll say this. I saw the guy live. Specifically, I’ve watched his playthrough videos of his band’s stuff and it comes nowhere close to his live ability. He’s sloppy live, extremely so. Before I saw his band I was excited because I thought he was a monster drummer who could play unbelievably clean and I was wrong. I didn’t join the bandwagon of haters because it’s fun, I joined it because devin is genuinely a sloppy player who makes himself out to be perfect on the internet. Not to mention, he’s kinda an ass about it too. If you call him out or ask, he gets defensive which is a key signal that he’s fake.
NathanDrums I think that considering Craig was in The HAARP Machine once upon a time, he has the ultimate authority on whether somebody is or isn't able to play the music that they've written in a live environment :P.
and to be honest, they even used some pretty shit samples. If you are gonna go all the way and use almost entirely samples, why not layer some, much less some decent ones? I can make better samples than that in my basement, and its not hard to make natural drums sound better than that (minus the robotic consistency ofc).
@@Spermwhales93 I’m not saying devin isn’t a good drummer, he’s in part capable of the speed. Craig is not the ultimate authority and I think even he’d think you’re a bit of a chuff for thinking he is. I love Craig, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think devin deserves to be the most hated drummer, but even in this video alone, Craig still calls him out for sample replacement and quantizing. Devin denies even editing his videos, besides using samples (it’s quantized, it’s very easy to tell). I’m also fairly positive Craig has never seen devin live. Take it from someone who saw him not once, but twice. He wasn’t capable of playing hollow front songs the way he does on the record or in his playthrough videos. Physically seeing him be unable to play that stuff but watching him do it on UA-cam at an inhuman level of cleanliness shows he’s posting fraudulent content. He gets defensive as fuck about it too. Want a guys who’s the real deal and openly shows people the raw stems of their playing? Chris turner. That’s a guy who’s capable of playing and doesn’t need to edit his stuff.
I'm from the same area devin is from (metro detroit) and have seen him play live a few times. He's perfectly capable of playing his material live. I agree the production sounds very fake, but he is genuine
My favorite replacement thing is when we caught Raja Mesissner ripping audio from Josh Steffens drum covers and using them as her own. She somehow got endorsements after that. She still fakes a lot of her stuff.
@@devinhudson4905 It was one of her Slipknot videos. She then edited the caption and gave him credit for the audio after we called her out. I think she deleted it now. She has mics on her kit but doesn’t use them and then has the EAD10 but turns the drum audio so low you can’t hear her.
I like your channel. Awesome entertainment for drummers. Remember the ghost notes on "Learning to Live" by Dream Theater? Mike Portnoy hated them. And he hated the main snare trigger. After that album, it was pretty much 100% real deal snare- no samples. Made me think of that.
Guy can play really good, no doubt about it. But the thing is(at least for me) other young people, even younger than him, are seen this and they are thinking it's realistic to play like this when it's not. And having those imposible standards can be pretty demotovating for someone starting on playing drums
Come on man! Everyone who heard even one stroke on a kit in the same room knows that drums don’t sound like that. Rather over-dramatic to claim it sets unrealistic expectations/standards and demotivation in young people ffs.
It was just my point of view, cause I've seen it. Poeple on the comments section think drums can sound like that, and bet it is 100% real. But if you think is over reacted it's ok man, just don't get so mad, it's all just a chill debate
The disappointment in your face when reviewing the second (newest) video🤣. But I like your approach of not trying to shit on him. We can always have a laugh but never shame anyone unless they have been really cocky or heavily shamed others. Sometimes people need a taste of their own medicine
Dude can obviously play. He’s very obviously focused on putting on “the show” for his followers with the stick tricks, windmilling and samples etc. The problem however, is that looking at his hands……there’s no way it should sound the way that it does. Which I think in turn sets a gross precedent for younger players who will think it’s ok to just edit, replace and quantise their drums in lieu of putting hard work into their technique.
I follow this dude on the gram and am a fan of his content and take it for what it is really. (Even though his snare sounds like garbage thanks to whatever plugins they’re using) But more importantly hollow front is a great band.. and at the end of the day his live performance is all that matters right? 🤷🏻♂️
Even though I'm not a fan of Straight From The Past at all, i really appreciate your honesty. Hearing it from a drummer as good as you is really enjoyable Also, even tho I don't really like Devin way of playing or drum sound, Hollow Front is an incredible band and he seems like a really cool dude with no bad intentions
10:14 - that doesn't necessarily sound like a sample by itself, but a very overcompressed snare that has shit tonnes of hi-hat bleed due to not the best mic placement and / or was probably automated a little up in volume imo.
Haha, I made the video! Well, my comment did. Was actually trying to do exactly what you are doing here, he can definitely fucking play, you can clearly see that, it just sounds soooo bad. Would love to see/hear it in a proper live recording. Funny thing is I actually found that video through something else and not from these reactions, haha.
"You can't bully someone for having a shit drum sound... and being a bit of an idiot about it" Wait that's the kind of content I was hoping for when I subscribed to your channel
The internet started a the new era of shred wars like the 80’s, eventually people will go the polar opposite and start recording on an iPhone 4 no edits covering white stripes
So i do know Devin personally, we havent talked regularly in a while but ive known him for years. He's Absolutely a Monster behind the drums. He's been playing since he was still shitting in diapers. Like Craig said, hes definitely playing everything here, it just might also edited for sound quality.
So in solo 6, I think his ghost notes are actually being Drum Leveler’d, unrealistically leveled out for consistent dynamics, all the shells seem to be in that one. Yeah they’re coming from the real source but that’s still cheated as fuck
I’m almost wondering if at this point, he’s actually a VICTIM of these unrealistic expectations we’re railing against. Like despite the hate, he’s still not comfortable releasing a video that isn’t perfected in post because of the unrealistic standards set by all these clowns
dude, quantization makes wonders. hear this unquantized and it will sound so fucking horrible. change my mind please. btw, he added a LOT of notes that he didn't actually play, or played at the wrong tempo. its all "fixed" to sound good.
9:04 yeah I gotta agree about the bad mixing. Even the drum mixing before sounded kinda ass for being almost-entirely samples ngl, and the mixing with the new drums sounds like someone tried to make it sound as if Devin was hitting pots, pans, and pillow on purpose. Like wtf, that mixing is horrible. Bad gating job, putting tons of reverb on the kick, muddy lows, not enough highs on the toms; whoever mixed this is a beginner. LIKE AT LEAST CHECK IT IN THE CAR.
These unrealistic and impossible standards falsely set by the “Instagram” drummers is the necessary evil to bring out a few absolutely bonkers young drummers who will learn to play like this, Natty. There I said it.
If you’re gonna use samples at least choose something that sounds even remotely like drums. Mad skills but! Edit : The brows are looking a tad over-plucked Craig.
I appreciate you taking the time to make this, Craig! Yes I do not mix and record my own audio.. I just play the drums lol. I will be making some big changes in my sound, but I really appreciate the kind words and letting everyone know what’s up! Much love dude.
much respect dude, your playing is sick
What I don’t appreciate is seeing your ‘climax face’ peering into the camera everytime time you… ‘play’ the drums.
Cheers for that 😱
Amazing, I‘m really looking forward to what you do next, I believe you have big potential and a bright future.
Bro no matter what any of these comments say just remember YOU are above all of that and YOU are on top of your game right now! On tour living your dream and your band is killing it! Use samples and quantize or do whatever the fuck you want cuz your doing it right and it’s obviously working out for you man!
Yea, what is up with the constant O-face? Did a teenage girl tell you it was cool?
5:51 „the human eye can“t hear“ truly eye-opening Craig, thank you for bringing light to the dark.
im reading this with my ears and this comment tastes funny
Imagine only quoting half the statement for this shit joke.
@@dannboioq have you heard of something called humor
@@user-dj4bu8bq5r yeah 1000% if you see any point it out
@@dannboioq Fight all of Craig’s battles for him do ya? Or have you just got the hots?
He got dragged cuz he tried to call everyone out by saying it’s real AND telling people to ask his engineer if there’s anything on it.
One thing I appreciate about your videos in general is that you seem to care about the audience understanding what's real and what isn't. You don't drag drummers for their playing or use of samples, you just point out when a video doesn't match what we're hearing in the speakers.
Thank you for finally making a video SPECIFICALLY about him. It's so obviously sampled and edited and I'm tired of people acting like its all him. Again, it doesn't mean he deserves to be ripped to shreds and he IS an amazing player, but it's so clearly fake in videos.
The guys clearly a monster player, no question about it! But I reckon it’s more the culture of producing perfectly quantised/sample replaced content. I personally don’t like it and how companies push the shit outta these guys. I just think it sets unrealistic standards for everyone who doesn’t produce that kind of content.
^ This.
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
@@Spermwhales93 So I’ll say this. I saw the guy live. Specifically, I’ve watched his playthrough videos of his band’s stuff and it comes nowhere close to his live ability. He’s sloppy live, extremely so. Before I saw his band I was excited because I thought he was a monster drummer who could play unbelievably clean and I was wrong.
I didn’t join the bandwagon of haters because it’s fun, I joined it because devin is genuinely a sloppy player who makes himself out to be perfect on the internet. Not to mention, he’s kinda an ass about it too. If you call him out or ask, he gets defensive which is a key signal that he’s fake.
NathanDrums I think that considering Craig was in The HAARP Machine once upon a time, he has the ultimate authority on whether somebody is or isn't able to play the music that they've written in a live environment :P.
and to be honest, they even used some pretty shit samples. If you are gonna go all the way and use almost entirely samples, why not layer some, much less some decent ones? I can make better samples than that in my basement, and its not hard to make natural drums sound better than that (minus the robotic consistency ofc).
@@Spermwhales93 I’m not saying devin isn’t a good drummer, he’s in part capable of the speed. Craig is not the ultimate authority and I think even he’d think you’re a bit of a chuff for thinking he is. I love Craig, don’t get me wrong, I don’t think devin deserves to be the most hated drummer, but even in this video alone, Craig still calls him out for sample replacement and quantizing.
Devin denies even editing his videos, besides using samples (it’s quantized, it’s very easy to tell). I’m also fairly positive Craig has never seen devin live. Take it from someone who saw him not once, but twice. He wasn’t capable of playing hollow front songs the way he does on the record or in his playthrough videos. Physically seeing him be unable to play that stuff but watching him do it on UA-cam at an inhuman level of cleanliness shows he’s posting fraudulent content. He gets defensive as fuck about it too. Want a guys who’s the real deal and openly shows people the raw stems of their playing? Chris turner. That’s a guy who’s capable of playing and doesn’t need to edit his stuff.
I'm from the same area devin is from (metro detroit) and have seen him play live a few times. He's perfectly capable of playing his material live. I agree the production sounds very fake, but he is genuine
My favorite replacement thing is when we caught Raja Mesissner ripping audio from Josh Steffens drum covers and using them as her own. She somehow got endorsements after that. She still fakes a lot of her stuff.
That's crazy, I missed that. What video of hers?
@@devinhudson4905 It was one of her Slipknot videos. She then edited the caption and gave him credit for the audio after we called her out. I think she deleted it now. She has mics on her kit but doesn’t use them and then has the EAD10 but turns the drum audio so low you can’t hear her.
@@FakeJesseJuarez No shit? What an embarrassing try-hard fucken loser plagiarist! They should rip the endorsements from her.
Swapping hands mid blast and the snare sounds EXACTLY the same! What a tight bastard
I like your channel. Awesome entertainment for drummers. Remember the ghost notes on "Learning to Live" by Dream Theater? Mike Portnoy hated them. And he hated the main snare trigger. After that album, it was pretty much 100% real deal snare- no samples. Made me think of that.
They remixed a few songs from images for their greatest hit album (real drum sounds). I wish they did the whole album.
@@toddegoldberg Yes the Caveman! I heard that.
Guy can play really good, no doubt about it. But the thing is(at least for me) other young people, even younger than him, are seen this and they are thinking it's realistic to play like this when it's not. And having those imposible standards can be pretty demotovating for someone starting on playing drums
True words here
Come on man! Everyone who heard even one stroke on a kit in the same room knows that drums don’t sound like that. Rather over-dramatic to claim it sets unrealistic expectations/standards and demotivation in young people ffs.
@@balintcsoma4321 Fine example of a dramatic overstatement you mean.
@@Virvum_Juggernaut sry sir
It was just my point of view, cause I've seen it. Poeple on the comments section think drums can sound like that, and bet it is 100% real. But if you think is over reacted it's ok man, just don't get so mad, it's all just a chill debate
All I have is a fold up Roland (I live in a flat) and that is kit number 4, 7 and 12.
Yeah no
Should have dropped it into the DAW and seen how closely it sits on the grid!👀
"I mean, I wouldn't have fucking cared. Alpha."
Craigy please educate us on Matt McGuire, especially his old stuff, I cannot decide if it’s natty or not
hes in the chainsmokers right? why wouldnt they be samples lol
No doubting he is good, it's just the over processed shit I can't handle.
i just watched your 2018 video UK Drum Show great drumming
You should get him on the Pod 😄 Would love to hear that, seriously.
Looks like he’s air drumming over a kit to a programmed drum part
When all drums sound the same…
We live in the same city and ive had the pleasure of meeting hiim a few times. ive seen him crush his sets multiple times.
14:59 - 15:03. After the laughter wears off, it sounds like '86 era 'Flock of Rotations' Zoviet France.
Lmao what an obscure and accurate observation.
“I don’t like the culture I’ve created”
Craig you are a fuking riot mate 👍🏻
The disappointment in your face when reviewing the second (newest) video🤣.
But I like your approach of not trying to shit on him. We can always have a laugh but never shame anyone unless they have been really cocky or heavily shamed others. Sometimes people need a taste of their own medicine
Saw the dude not even cough when a butterfly flew in that sound hole...
RESPECT!!
it sounds like a fucking helicopter in the second video lol.
He's literally endorsed by Drumforge lol
Wrong though lmao
This is the T pain drumming era we are now living in...
Dude can obviously play. He’s very obviously focused on putting on “the show” for his followers with the stick tricks, windmilling and samples etc.
The problem however, is that looking at his hands……there’s no way it should sound the way that it does. Which I think in turn sets a gross precedent for younger players who will think it’s ok to just edit, replace and quantise their drums in lieu of putting hard work into their technique.
Even a deaf person will be able to understand that it's sampled and quantised, there's just no dynamic in the sound when he's hitting them,
Did you mean blind people? Deaf people can't hear, you know.
@@stinthaduthegshatag8134 I think that was the point
@@stinthaduthegshatag8134 You’re deaf to point making with humour by exaggerated reference.
I follow this dude on the gram and am a fan of his content and take it for what it is really. (Even though his snare sounds like garbage thanks to whatever plugins they’re using)
But more importantly hollow front is a great band.. and at the end of the day his live performance is all that matters right? 🤷🏻♂️
It blows my mind why people would do this especially when they are good players like own the performance imperfections and all
i wait for the day that someone quantizes imperfectly his playing
the human eye can't hear more than 125 gallons per hour
Those drums sound shocking
Even though I'm not a fan of Straight From The Past at all, i really appreciate your honesty. Hearing it from a drummer as good as you is really enjoyable
Also, even tho I don't really like Devin way of playing or drum sound, Hollow Front is an incredible band and he seems like a really cool dude with no bad intentions
straight from the past 😭😭
@@leorobinsonnn damn my bad ahah
Bring him onto The Downbeat!
I think he seems really good, but how does anyone like that sound? Get him on your podcast!
The plan to sell T-Shirts worked out, I ordered one of the Nut Bustin Blast Beat Tees some weeks ago \m/
10:14 - that doesn't necessarily sound like a sample by itself, but a very overcompressed snare that has shit tonnes of hi-hat bleed due to not the best mic placement and / or was probably automated a little up in volume imo.
twitch.tv/reynlord for anyone who is curious ;)
Oh good Sheppard, feed my sheep
god, i love this channel
"HA" ☠☠☠☠☠
Haha, I made the video! Well, my comment did.
Was actually trying to do exactly what you are doing here, he can definitely fucking play, you can clearly see that, it just sounds soooo bad. Would love to see/hear it in a proper live recording.
Funny thing is I actually found that video through something else and not from these reactions, haha.
10 seconds is all you need too know that shiz is sampled.
"You can't bully someone for having a shit drum sound... and being a bit of an idiot about it"
Wait that's the kind of content I was hoping for when I subscribed to your channel
I am scared to do anything not natty at this point because i don't want to let you down lol
The internet started a the new era of shred wars like the 80’s, eventually people will go the polar opposite and start recording on an iPhone 4 no edits covering white stripes
I try to cover Gojira and Meshuggah on my channel with just phone audio, no edits
ghost notes are not samples, that's how it's sounds when there's so much bleed from the hi hat to the snare mic
So i do know Devin personally, we havent talked regularly in a while but ive known him for years. He's Absolutely a Monster behind the drums. He's been playing since he was still shitting in diapers. Like Craig said, hes definitely playing everything here, it just might also edited for sound quality.
So in solo 6, I think his ghost notes are actually being Drum Leveler’d, unrealistically leveled out for consistent dynamics, all the shells seem to be in that one. Yeah they’re coming from the real source but that’s still cheated as fuck
I’m almost wondering if at this point, he’s actually a VICTIM of these unrealistic expectations we’re railing against. Like despite the hate, he’s still not comfortable releasing a video that isn’t perfected in post because of the unrealistic standards set by all these clowns
You would hear way more cymbal bleed if you brought up the ghost notes that loud with Drum Leveler
Never mind. I listened to it again. Hella hihat bleed.
@@FrankTheSmithTV I agree, sounds like bleed to me
dude, quantization makes wonders. hear this unquantized and it will sound so fucking horrible. change my mind please. btw, he added a LOT of notes that he didn't actually play, or played at the wrong tempo. its all "fixed" to sound good.
I’ve been saying this the whole time. Let’s hear the real audio
9:04 yeah I gotta agree about the bad mixing. Even the drum mixing before sounded kinda ass for being almost-entirely samples ngl, and the mixing with the new drums sounds like someone tried to make it sound as if Devin was hitting pots, pans, and pillow on purpose. Like wtf, that mixing is horrible. Bad gating job, putting tons of reverb on the kick, muddy lows, not enough highs on the toms; whoever mixed this is a beginner. LIKE AT LEAST CHECK IT IN THE CAR.
If you look at his Instagram the latest videos sound real. At least to me I’m not an expert tho
These unrealistic and impossible standards falsely set by the “Instagram” drummers is the necessary evil to bring out a few absolutely bonkers young drummers who will learn to play like this, Natty. There I said it.
Facts! As opposed to being demotivating, if an impossible standard eventually creates even one super-drummer in future, then so be it.
*raises hand shyly*
thank you, craig
Craig is 100% correct
If you’re gonna use samples at least choose something that sounds even remotely like drums. Mad skills but!
Edit : The brows are looking a tad over-plucked Craig.
Evans Hydraulics. Theres ya answer.
Devin Attard's face and expressions irritate me
Snare in the last clip still sounded artificial tbh.
So wait. If something sounds fake, it's...Faked?!!
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