I just can't understand how anyone can leave a 0 for a tip. And door dash needs to knock it off with all the damn fees. Customers need to know that the delivery fee they pay doesn't go to the Dasher.
i think its hilarious doordash doesnt want the customer knowing how badly they been had on shop n pay orders doordash will be like "DO NOT give the customer the receipt, throw it away" meanwhile i make a point to give them said receipt n say "while thank you for putting food on my table.....pls dont waste ya money like this again." and they absolutely lose it at how much DD marked every single item up. plus all the other fees on top of it.
Here’s what I think … If every order is $2.50, a lot of orders are going to be sitting at the restaurant. I’d never take a order that small unless it’s dead and only a mile away. You can’t count on customers tipping after the fact. You could work all day and only make gas money, if that. Doordash is stupid if they do this.
I'm not startn my car 4 less than 5. This iz sum truly disrespeckful sht, 2.50. U gotta b kidn me. They're really playin games wit our lives & we deal wit this sht
DoorDash should have a 4-5mile delivery radius for each restaurant. Helps with food quality. Any 10+mile orders should give us drivers a pay bump. If us drivers got together we can probably make it happen. DoorDashing in California here OC
i wish they would do this sooooo bad. I turned down two 30+ mile trip offers tonight, even screenshotted them, twice tonight someone ordered from a pizza place in my town in norther indiana and wanted their food brought all the way to northern chicago for 10 or less dollars.
No way this will happen... Not all good restaurants are in all good areas, some areas will be better than others (=more miles away). DD wants all businesses done/delivered no matter what, no matter us... This is the reality
This will never be balanced, ever... DD will always get the better slice. We should treat this whole gig economy shit as it really is: a SIDE hustle... NOBODY (and i mean it) should be doing this as a main source of income... In a total opposite hand this shit "does not deliver" simple as that
If Door Dash does this, then they will not have any drivers. Then no orders will get delivered. I hope every driver quits. Nobody going to tip after delivery because customers get their food and don't care about the driver.
Hear this out because, mistery salary is a good topic... All behind DD is an algorithm, a computer doing frenetic calcs to connect hunger to food distributors (😅) everybody following? Ok... So imagine you want a coffee from a store that cost u to be delivered lets say 11.00$... as you are confortable that someone will bring that coffee hot and fast, you give a 10$ tip for the driver... Now is the trick point: who can guarantee to us that this amount in tip will be "regarded" to a driver? Is it possible the algorithm would remath the numbers and lets say, change that 10$ tip into a 3$ tip, thus converting the other 7$ into base pay, etc...? Lately i have asked very close friends who do DD and in a whole lot of hours during a peak day (10, 12hrs i would say) and i dont tipically see bigger tips (10$+)... Even in rich dense areas... I dont know but i am from IT sector and i know computing power these new companies have, even under little infrastructure... Food for thought
And one little hint: do not, i repeat DO NOT, think only about that miserable 8hrs shift you alone do to deliver 10, 15, 20 something orders... Think about the whole MILLION transactions per minute all over the country... You yourself cant handle 100 people throwing you singles every hour but their AI can handle calcs you will never ever grow adult to even understand. Side hustle people... Put them on their place, on the side
In NY they aren't. They are guaranteed 22.00 an hour on active time. This is what the idiots wanted. They are now employees to they have to take orders to get money😊
Did UberEats for a few months then added DD. In Fort Lauderdale, “Ferraris are Hondas to me”country. NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE. Uber, at least 2 deliveries were $5 or more, add on surprise tip per 2 hours of working. Money was off the chain phone wouldn’t shut up, $150 in 5 hours not even trying. DD, crickets. Traitor trash, no tip apartment dwelling asswipes. Even really nice million dollar condo doesn’t tip on DD. In 300 DD deliveries I MIGHT have seen 3 that had a add on tip,3. Just 2 entirely different experiences and and can tell you which one is doing it right.
my ultimate wish for doordash, is for them to grow a pair and stop calling it a tip, they really just need to come out with it and educate the customer on the fact its not a tip, its a service bid to get a driver
I doubt they make much money on the non tippers at all. They are most likely to complain, falsely report items missing and food not delivered. They also have to eventually raise the base pay if they can't get anyone to accept it or can't stack it with another order. This is just anecdotal as I can only speak from my experience but the no/low tippers typically have smaller orders. The total dollar amount Doordash gets from their percentage cut of the food subtotal is lower on those orders as well.
I agree somewhat yet those that try to report missing food etc…can only lie so long before the gig is up. Plus door dash adds a small order fee to the customer now which passes the cost to them for us to be incentivized to do the order-I’m sure we get a very small fraction of that amount-so no wonder hardly get a tip.
I dare doordash to take away pre tipping in my market, they will fold the market like a lawnchair in a bad way. its tons of rural driving, and absolutely no one around here is gonna go 8 miles for 2.50 lol. my all us dashers in my town stage at the jewel parking lot and hang out like a tail gate party and we laugh and play hot potato with doodoo trip offers passing it around in circles till whoever does accept it gets a good payday.
I’m not feeling that last one at all. It’s going to be across the US soon. Plus it’s going to encourage people not to tip at all. Because if customers don’t have to tip before hand where drivers can see what they’re getting. And DoorDash notifies them on the app about the new feature. Customers will know drivers will have to accept every order. No matter what. Which will lead to less and less tips. DoorDash is about to fall completely off. This is bad. I agree with Blake. Drivers will start quitting.
I think these apps should just show how many dashers are in one spot just to see how stupid we all look waiting for orders 😂. I know when I'm waiting for an order and someone that looks like they are dashing I always tend to leave because I feel they give the rookies or the people that are dashing from promotions the orders.
It’s funny when I drive by a hot spot I see all the people sitting in their cars and I recognize most of them 😂. I just leave to another side and stay away . It works for me.
lol, not driving to lose money, only reason they are doing that in NYC is because of the law that passed for minimum wage for drivers and they had to add an extra service fee to that customer base. No chance that rolls out elsewhere.
Thass tha thing. Im frum Cali & they got a sweet deal 2 but I'm in AZ. I went 2 Phx last wknd... 5 orderz in a row were 2.50 & 3bux 😂😂 ofc I went home smh wurst place I evr ben
Doordash wants people with standards that are too high, standards like "I'd like to be able to earn enough to pay all my bills and still eat", to quit. They literally don't care if you guys leave. In fact, they want you to quit. I wouldn't be surprised if they add a $3 driver fee to customer orders, and only up the base pay a dollar or two.
What needs to happen is Dashers need to have a strike Nation wide for a few days or a week so DD see's how much money there going to be losing long term. That's the only way they will stop abusing the drivers
People would probably only take deliveries from nicer restaurants. Nobody is going to take a gamble on fast food deliveries. Good luck getting anyone to take them.
Even that wouldn't help. I still wouldn't accept orders from McDonald's, Wendy's, or Popeye's because they are trash in my area. But even nicer restaurants don't guarantee tips sadly. For instance, I had 1 day when I was dashing and every customer that day tipped me EXCEPT for 1 delivery that was to a literal mansion!! No matter how nice the restaurant or the house, it all still depends on whether the person wants to tip you or not.
Well, if this shit really happens, I guess the best we can do is look at the miles and neighborhood and whether or not it's an apt if we can tell. I've noticed that more often than not, if you are getting a fast-food order from someplace like Jack or Mickey d's these people don't tip because they are ordering the cheapest stuff. If you're picking up from a nicer place going to a better neighborhood more than likely your not dealing w/people who are being ridiculous and not tipping. And, no, I'm not saying they all tip either...but higher likelihood that they will...but this sucks if it goes nationwide, the last thing I need as a person who is trying to make money on here is this. I can't do anything else due to my health...and it's already horrible on here these days due to inflation!
only time in my market i go to donalds to pick up a order is if im out doing the 5am to 11am shift. and thats cause super early in the morning its usual bank tellers n stuff ordering it so they actually tip. but for lunch and dinner i wont touch fast food unless its got a really nice upfront tip on it.
I think you are absolutely right. I have been driving DD for 2 years and started driver for Uber Eats about 6 months ago. I get more orders on Uber Eats and DD has slowed down my orders I believe because I decline bad orders. I notice that even during the lunch rush I only get 1 -2 orders maybe and sometimes they are trash and I decline everytime. I do this to make money if it's not worth my time and gas it's a waste of both.
Door dash should make the customer HAVE TO tip like at a restaurant when they turn the little screen and ask for 5 10 or 20% tip it should be a required
Would be open to go for platinum dasher if they didn’t do weird shit like hit you with three $2 10mi orders after getting your AR up or giving you a bad offer right as you’re trying to go offline. They just find ways to piss you off
The tip after order thing was done in New York out of spite. The law didn’t make them do that. They did it to try to get dashers against the new law that has them making $30/ hour active time baseline
@@Moore.Driven come on man, i am sure u could do anything else and get a reasonable 9 to 5 job and get whatever u want but relying in DD? Put something on yr mind man, the good old pandemic days of DD and us making 200, 300$ a day will NEVER come back, shit rules or not... It is a complete diff world now, those days are long gone and i am sure you can do something way better than doorshit Fan of yr videos for 2y or more, i know u can do something else and be happy... There is no strategy to win DD... These guys need to bankrupt
I will absolutely quit. I am not a gambler and drive a gas guzzler. My gas costs over 20 cents per mile. I'm not accepting any offer under $1/mi including deadhead miles. My AR is 4% right now.
Yeah, if that happens in my area. Definitely uninstalling DD Driver app with the quickness. I dont gamble with my livelihood. And whats going to happen next (if they only display $2offers) is drivers will complain to their state about livable wages and then the government will put some janky law together to pay drivers and pretty much make them DD employees with required hours and shifts.
its not top dasher that gives you good orders its your Acceptance rate that determines if you get bad or good orders, this past year they have manipulated the system instead of a 1/1 % up or down on accepting or declining, your AR only increases 1% for every 4,5 orders meaning you have to accept that many times to increase thus doordash wanting drivers to fail
Raised mine to 95% (somehow they were f**king with me and it did not go higher) At that point made a little experiment and declined 2 orders on same shift... AR Went down from 95 to 87% So far it is being a pain on the 4$$ to get it up again even fact im taking all in
i absolutely will quit dashing if this is implemented. doordash will lose business. so its on them really to just pay their dashers more. or just force the customers to tip and then maybe they wouldnt have this problem
Maybe this iz how they delete DD off tha map 🤔🤔 this'll doo it fa sho 🤣😭 i don't move 4 less than $5 & that betr b no mo than 2mi, no joke. Sicka drivin all theze miles 4 ingrates on both sides
Um I'd rather just not take any orders and get a "real job" we all know DD can't be trusted with the tips. So they want drivers to gamble? They will lowball all orders. This is a recipe for disaster. I quit dashing FT 3 months ago. Best decision ever! W2 is the way to go.
@@lakoncers13 that's what I meant just so frustrating qhen someone is telling part of the story. I'm sure it's just like earn by time but it's evaluated at the end of the week to see if someone made that amount and given the difference. Ad much reporting that had been done on it this is a lame story qith half the facts
@@ericberry6557 It's only by active delivery time. In my market I tried the stupid pay-by-active delivery time and literally received no orders so I was paid squat. He probably didn't know that part because I literally didn't until coming into the comments section of this video.
If referring to yourself I think you have done a great job. And yet, no one forced you to do this. My ratings are very high because I chose to do this and I have work ethic. I actually care about doing a great job every day - every order. 1 year in - 2100+ orders delivered.
@@brucemaier3943 yes referring to my self and thank you. Despite what these UA-camrs say I’ve noticed that the higher your ratings the better offers you receive, which means the more money you can make. This is my second account because my first account was banned when I found a grey area in door dashes “mark store closed” option. My first account has about the same rating. 4000+ deliveries.
With this new program they have: you decline A SINGLE ORDER your AR goes down 3 to 5 p.p. You work as a slave and take shit orders by hundreds in a row, your AR goes up 1pp only... The metric is totally unfair and they keep saying "as independent contracts we have free will to decide"... Well you decide to decline and get penalised right away
I kinda liked the Streak Pay thing,,I only had to run one that I didn't like..BUT I did lose my streak once too ,, because I wasn't about to run such a shitty delivery lol
I saw these articles where Uber and DD weren’t going to prompt for a tip until after the delivery is complete. This could go 2 ways. 1. They’re left with no drivers at all. 2. All drivers become cherry pickers pushing order values up and letting orders get cold at the stores. In no way do I see drivers taking every order….outside of a few folks just delivering as a form of hobby. This particular idea is self destructive outside of areas like New Dork and California.
We have to depend on tips to make a living? In this economy, in this world? Jokes. This is fucking ridiculous. We all need to come together and take a stand.
Very few people will tip afterwards. Once they get their food, they are going to eat, talk, party, whatever, and they will forget about the order and the tip. I think DD needs to have some kind of scale factor for distance from a restaurant. Even if you get that 2/mile order but is 12 miles away, that is also time that is consumed where you could be doing several good short distance order that would actually be more money.
Man I accepted 4 orders and ended up with $2.5 peak pay tips $16.75 after that I accepted 7 orders peak pay $5.75 tips $18.00 ,we are delivering for free 😂😂😂,now I accept only 1 order
$29 vs, $12.5 is a huge jump in pay in New York. In reality they're both "Active time". If your serious about deliveries then getting max tips for 2 hours a night vs. Maybe making $20 every hour you do work is much much better. The only negative is that driver deactivations for abusing active time could become a real thing so they have to work thru those issues.
Earn by time is the reason why the base pay by offer is low they catering more to the no tip orders and ever since they changed the stack orders to $1 for each I been getting hella lot of those even with shop and pay
I wish you could turn off grocery/shopping orders. I did one the other day spent 20+ minutes getting items, and waiting for substitutions, and got no tip. After that I kind of wanna avoid all grocery orders. At least with food delivery, its a quick pick up and drop off so no tip there doesn’t hurt as bad.
On the post you made on the breakdown of the cost... it said there is a dasher support fee of $3.50 that suspiciously looks like base pay. Are they passing the base pay over to the customer???
I keep reading my terms and conditions we can negotiate our pay as a independent contractors. So what the prop 22 they have to pay our minimum wage plus I believe it's $120 or just 20% above the min wage wherever you accept the order at play if you read the fine print you must keep your car insurance and you have to have workers comp insurance
The title is definitely misleading. This new program is trying to weed out the cherry pickers. if you’re acceptance rating is above 70-80% about 90% of the orders are good and you can cherry pick or two here and there. I think the crappy orders are in the lower 50s as a punishment for those that cherry pick..
In our area DD had reset everyone's acceptance rating and said if your acceptance rating drops below 90% then you will be deactivated. Now I don't see any good paying offers.
Do we know your current depreciation rate for your car per mile? So we need to be very cautious here regarding earnings. Again these are pretax earnings not factoring in car depreciation, mechanical wear and tear, and the final money boss, the tax man. I’ve been doing Uber x, Uber eats and DoorDash on and off for years. I have a strategy to continue making a humble profit, nothing lucrative, but I think it’ll be interesting to have a discussion with other people to see if they have similar results.
thankfully where I live is right in the middle of an area with a lot of restaurants. so I never have to drive really far out of the way at all. but I feel bad for all the people the app will be d*cking over in the new year. :-/
Well if doordash limited Dash times to 12 hours in a 24 hour period with mandatory 8 hour break like were required to fo on Uber and Lyft the pay would most definitely be elevated and there would be fewer drivers during certain times of day
They already tried no upfront tipping in a couple markets earlier this year. The fact it was discontinued instead of spreading should be the answer to whether or not its going to happen elsewhere. They're only doing it in NYC because not only do they have to pay $29.93/active hour, they are also required to show any upfront tip. By only allowing tips afterwards, it discourages cherry picking.
This is true that it's mainly for the case of NYC to date but IMO it's still gonna spread eventually because if it's successful in NYC for DoorDash they will find a way to do the same anywhere they can to make those extra bills off our backs. Not to mention there is a lot of people living in NYC which could easily spread the information that they don't have to tip there and it might just catch on by customers everywhere that way. Either way I think it's time to retire DoorDash soon and focus on other apps or even maybe looking at going to school for a career or just getting a W2 for the security of guaranteed earnings.
I tip after I receive my order bc many Dashers don't pay attention to instructions or directions. One fool left my food in a small tree near my window😂
@@johnreskusich2324 I hear you. I always give something no matter what. We don't know what people are going through. I was a mess and made mistakes after my baby son passed away. Life happens.
It has to do with New York. Uber eats is going to do it too. This is what happens when you want to be an employee and get 22 per hour. Been warning people this will happen.
I already quit the pay wasn't good enough anymore But I will say probably 10% of customers might tip after delivery So good luck to anyone who sticks it out but I would suggest getting on something different
I quit at least a year ago. My market TANKED so freaking hard. I was LUCKY if I received any orders at all. I was literally doing 12-hour shifts and getting no orders...On other days I was doing 12 hours and getting the worst offers imaginable. The offers were base pay for 10-15+ mile orders and I would maybe get 2-3 the entire shift. I was spending more time sitting in parking lots and driving than I was delivering. My final straw was a horrendous order. I was low on gas so I was going to do a couple of quick orders just to get gas money to start off with. The 1st order I took ended up taking me almost 2 hours! The GPS took me in the completely wrong direction. Their house number wasn't in the GPS so I had to do a house next to theirs. So I headed to their house, they were super apologetic and said they would give me even more of a tip when I arrived. But they lied, they weren't even at the house, and the person's dad who was home that grabbed the order made me leave their property. When I was trying to message the buyer about it they just said I'm not at home. As I was trying to explain what happened chat closed out on me. I went into a parking lot and cried and drove home because I would have run out of gas completely if I had taken any more orders. That was after the 12 hours of no order shifts already and I was just done at that point. I've dashed twice since then and I only dash when they send me an email saying my Dasher Direct card is about to be closed if I don't do any orders. I literally do 1 order then end my shift just to keep the option of Dashing again open to me.
If DD didn't give crap orders constantly, we'd all be top dashers. I get my AR up to 70%, orders come in at $2.50. AR goes down to 50%- & 30% then lower... SSDD It's exhausting & too frustrating to even do it at this point.
You forgot the full context for the last point… no more upfront tips because every delivery person is now guaranteed to get paid at least $29.93/active hour. I’m actually okay with that.
Active hour, are the operative words. I tried the pay-by-hour thing in my area and received NO orders at all so I got paid nothing for being out the entire time.
I wont quit but i wont accept orders either as it sounds like it will be below My set minimum order. I cant speak for anyone else but myself and if this happens then it will be stalemate until something changes. I wont alter my set minimums
I already have a 92% acceptance rating.And if I get an order that is trying to get me to drive 40 miles for $2.75 with no tip and not a climate.I'll get a text from DoorDash.Telling me that I am damaging my acceptance rating. It should be absolutely fucking illegal for them to try to make a Dasher.Spin their own money to work.
It's simple....if every or most orders were $2 and take average 23 minutes to complete. That means you do an average of 20 deliveries in an 8 hour shift. 20x 2 is $ 40. You are literally paying to work. Basically your are a not for profit volunteer 😂
.. I'm priority, in a busy area .. eh not a big deal .. dash any time .. I use DD at nite better orders than UberEATS at nite it seems lately .. I use UberEATS at lunch .. 🤔🚗
They WANT the old-timers to quit. Veteran drivers complain the most and expect the highest pay. Better to let the immigrants do the job: they work cheap.
@@jeffw1267u dont know anything about that bro... Citizens or not, all work hard to have a living... Do you usually fix yr bed after u wake up? Immigrants usually do theirs and for ppl to whom they work for, their days probably start while you are still dreaming prom with that nice girl
I " Dash " to supplement my income, not to get rich. I have no Boss except myself. I'm in competition with no one but myself. I don't have to do this - I chose to do this. If one doesn't like it - warehouses, factories and fast food is hiring across north America. At this point after 1 year dashing I have Top Dasher status and over two-thousand deliveries behind me with a 96+% acceptance rating , 100 per cent completion . I am seventy years old. You have 45 thousand subscribers. Great!
Most important thing is keep completion rate at 95 or above or you lose top dasher. By time sucks. To make anything you have to sit in the car and let the clock run and you get fewer orders and longer ones. Unfortunately no one will see my comments the censor blocked me. I tell the truth and wokies don't like the truth.
eventually DD is just going to self destruction for being greedy
well said ! its happened here in seattle
Haha, self-destruct? Never. You will always have clowns. You would need every dasher in on the plan.
@@ToMaToEsGrOw you don't need all. Maybe a majority imo.
I just can't understand how anyone can leave a 0 for a tip. And door dash needs to knock it off with all the damn fees. Customers need to know that the delivery fee they pay doesn't go to the Dasher.
i think its hilarious doordash doesnt want the customer knowing how badly they been had on shop n pay orders doordash will be like "DO NOT give the customer the receipt, throw it away" meanwhile i make a point to give them said receipt n say "while thank you for putting food on my table.....pls dont waste ya money like this again." and they absolutely lose it at how much DD marked every single item up. plus all the other fees on top of it.
Here’s what I think … If every order is $2.50, a lot of orders are going to be sitting at the restaurant. I’d never take a order that small unless it’s dead and only a mile away. You can’t count on customers tipping after the fact. You could work all day and only make gas money, if that. Doordash is stupid if they do this.
I'm not startn my car 4 less than 5. This iz sum truly disrespeckful sht, 2.50. U gotta b kidn me. They're really playin games wit our lives & we deal wit this sht
@@UltraInstinct-yn1ft Many customers will quit tipping imo. 💁♂️
They might increase the base pay to hour and adjust your income at the end of the week
Facts 💯
@UltraInstinct-yn1ft
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I stopped dashing awhile ago. I deliver for chick-fil-a $14..00 an hour plus tips and they provide a car and gas.
Nice!
I seen that in another zone here in florida..... looks good.
DoorDash should have a 4-5mile delivery radius for each restaurant. Helps with food quality. Any 10+mile orders should give us drivers a pay bump. If us drivers got together we can probably make it happen. DoorDashing in California here OC
Doordashing central California
i wish they would do this sooooo bad. I turned down two 30+ mile trip offers tonight, even screenshotted them, twice tonight someone ordered from a pizza place in my town in norther indiana and wanted their food brought all the way to northern chicago for 10 or less dollars.
No way this will happen... Not all good restaurants are in all good areas, some areas will be better than others (=more miles away). DD wants all businesses done/delivered no matter what, no matter us... This is the reality
This will never be balanced, ever... DD will always get the better slice. We should treat this whole gig economy shit as it really is: a SIDE hustle... NOBODY (and i mean it) should be doing this as a main source of income... In a total opposite hand this shit "does not deliver" simple as that
I never start near my house. I drive to a higher income area with better restaurants and work from there
ALWAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!! .... hell yes.. I do the same.
Doesn’t always work, it depends on the person. I’ve delivered at a higher income area and they still tip 2$
If Door Dash does this, then they will not have any drivers. Then no orders will get delivered. I hope every driver quits. Nobody going to tip after delivery because customers get their food and don't care about the driver.
Nope, all the drivers left won't speak English and will work cheap. DD isn't going anywhere.
Basiclly DD just wants your to be a W2 employee without giving you health insurance and paying you like one
Of course, and they've gotten drivers to buy into this, so why would they stop?
In California we have prop 22
Spot on
If that mess comes to my market I'm deleting the app
Someone will replace you In five seconds.
Fine by me 🤷🏾♀️
Same here 😂😂
@@jeffw1267yes a Venezuelan there are thousands dashing with fake accounts here in my market 😂😂😂
You cant work for a mystery salary. That is not transparent and probably isn’t even legal.
Dashers are already working for a mystery salary since DD has always been hiding tips.
Hear this out because, mistery salary is a good topic... All behind DD is an algorithm, a computer doing frenetic calcs to connect hunger to food distributors (😅) everybody following? Ok... So imagine you want a coffee from a store that cost u to be delivered lets say 11.00$... as you are confortable that someone will bring that coffee hot and fast, you give a 10$ tip for the driver... Now is the trick point: who can guarantee to us that this amount in tip will be "regarded" to a driver? Is it possible the algorithm would remath the numbers and lets say, change that 10$ tip into a 3$ tip, thus converting the other 7$ into base pay, etc...? Lately i have asked very close friends who do DD and in a whole lot of hours during a peak day (10, 12hrs i would say) and i dont tipically see bigger tips (10$+)... Even in rich dense areas... I dont know but i am from IT sector and i know computing power these new companies have, even under little infrastructure... Food for thought
And one little hint: do not, i repeat DO NOT, think only about that miserable 8hrs shift you alone do to deliver 10, 15, 20 something orders... Think about the whole MILLION transactions per minute all over the country... You yourself cant handle 100 people throwing you singles every hour but their AI can handle calcs you will never ever grow adult to even understand. Side hustle people... Put them on their place, on the side
In NY they aren't. They are guaranteed 22.00 an hour on active time. This is what the idiots wanted. They are now employees to they have to take orders to get money😊
Who would tip after they get their food?? They pay for the food before they get it. They're gonna tip after? Not likely😂
The same people who do it at restaurants? Are you dumb?
Did UberEats for a few months then added DD.
In Fort Lauderdale, “Ferraris are Hondas to me”country.
NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE.
Uber, at least 2 deliveries were $5 or more, add on surprise tip per 2 hours of working. Money was off the chain phone wouldn’t shut up, $150 in 5 hours not even trying.
DD, crickets. Traitor trash, no tip apartment dwelling asswipes. Even really nice million dollar condo doesn’t tip on DD. In 300 DD deliveries I MIGHT have seen 3 that had a add on tip,3.
Just 2 entirely different experiences and and can tell you which one is doing it right.
I do it all the time. I tip cash so no one gets taxed but that's me.
my ultimate wish for doordash, is for them to grow a pair and stop calling it a tip, they really just need to come out with it and educate the customer on the fact its not a tip, its a service bid to get a driver
God bless you with this comment
I went from getting top dasher to deactivated in 20 days. Keep chasing it people you too will get screwed
WTF thass sum bs. I really think AEye steerin this ship 🤔
What was the so called deactivation for? I know they prob screwed you some way
I believe that the no tip situation hasn't been fixed because DD makes the most money off non tippers.
Yes they make even more from non tippers due to volume
I doubt they make much money on the non tippers at all. They are most likely to complain, falsely report items missing and food not delivered. They also have to eventually raise the base pay if they can't get anyone to accept it or can't stack it with another order.
This is just anecdotal as I can only speak from my experience but the no/low tippers typically have smaller orders. The total dollar amount Doordash gets from their percentage cut of the food subtotal is lower on those orders as well.
the no tip situation hasnt been fixedd cause low IQ people are to worried about AR and they need to learn about multi-apping and dirty stacking
I agree somewhat yet those that try to report missing food etc…can only lie so long before the gig is up. Plus door dash adds a small order fee to the customer now which passes the cost to them for us to be incentivized to do the order-I’m sure we get a very small fraction of that amount-so no wonder hardly get a tip.
They need 2pay by mileage. Tbh we'd ALL do earn by tyme IF they payd us an actual livin wage but ofc... Corporate greed winz again 🏆
I dare doordash to take away pre tipping in my market, they will fold the market like a lawnchair in a bad way. its tons of rural driving, and absolutely no one around here is gonna go 8 miles for 2.50 lol. my all us dashers in my town stage at the jewel parking lot and hang out like a tail gate party and we laugh and play hot potato with doodoo trip offers passing it around in circles till whoever does accept it gets a good payday.
exactly... I'm quiting on the 1st
I’m not feeling that last one at all. It’s going to be across the US soon. Plus it’s going to encourage people not to tip at all. Because if customers don’t have to tip before hand where drivers can see what they’re getting. And DoorDash notifies them on the app about the new feature. Customers will know drivers will have to accept every order. No matter what. Which will lead to less and less tips. DoorDash is about to fall completely off. This is bad. I agree with Blake. Drivers will start quitting.
I think these apps should just show how many dashers are in one spot just to see how stupid we all look waiting for orders 😂. I know when I'm waiting for an order and someone that looks like they are dashing I always tend to leave because I feel they give the rookies or the people that are dashing from promotions the orders.
It’s funny when I drive by a hot spot I see all the people sitting in their cars and I recognize most of them 😂. I just leave to another side and stay away . It works for me.
lol, not driving to lose money, only reason they are doing that in NYC is because of the law that passed for minimum wage for drivers and they had to add an extra service fee to that customer base. No chance that rolls out elsewhere.
Thass tha thing. Im frum Cali & they got a sweet deal 2 but I'm in AZ. I went 2 Phx last wknd... 5 orderz in a row were 2.50 & 3bux 😂😂 ofc I went home smh wurst place I evr ben
Doordash wants people with standards that are too high, standards like "I'd like to be able to earn enough to pay all my bills and still eat", to quit. They literally don't care if you guys leave. In fact, they want you to quit. I wouldn't be surprised if they add a $3 driver fee to customer orders, and only up the base pay a dollar or two.
Wow
they will never up the base pay r u high?
Perhaps quitting is the best option for some.
What needs to happen is Dashers need to have a strike Nation wide for a few days or a week so DD see's how much money there going to be losing long term. That's the only way they will stop abusing the drivers
People would probably only take deliveries from nicer restaurants. Nobody is going to take a gamble on fast food deliveries. Good luck getting anyone to take them.
There are illegal aliens to deliver those orders.
Even that wouldn't help. I still wouldn't accept orders from McDonald's, Wendy's, or Popeye's because they are trash in my area. But even nicer restaurants don't guarantee tips sadly. For instance, I had 1 day when I was dashing and every customer that day tipped me EXCEPT for 1 delivery that was to a literal mansion!! No matter how nice the restaurant or the house, it all still depends on whether the person wants to tip you or not.
Well, if this shit really happens, I guess the best we can do is look at the miles and neighborhood and whether or not it's an apt if we can tell. I've noticed that more often than not, if you are getting a fast-food order from someplace like Jack or Mickey d's these people don't tip because they are ordering the cheapest stuff. If you're picking up from a nicer place going to a better neighborhood more than likely your not dealing w/people who are being ridiculous and not tipping. And, no, I'm not saying they all tip either...but higher likelihood that they will...but this sucks if it goes nationwide, the last thing I need as a person who is trying to make money on here is this. I can't do anything else due to my health...and it's already horrible on here these days due to inflation!
only time in my market i go to donalds to pick up a order is if im out doing the 5am to 11am shift. and thats cause super early in the morning its usual bank tellers n stuff ordering it so they actually tip. but for lunch and dinner i wont touch fast food unless its got a really nice upfront tip on it.
@@pepsilove6306 I'm basically the same way...especially w/mcdonalds...they like NEVER tip!
I think you are absolutely right. I have been driving DD for 2 years and started driver for Uber Eats about 6 months ago. I get more orders on Uber Eats and DD has slowed down my orders I believe because I decline bad orders. I notice that even during the lunch rush I only get 1 -2 orders maybe and sometimes they are trash and I decline everytime. I do this to make money if it's not worth my time and gas it's a waste of both.
SAME Thing is happening to me
Me too!
Door dash should make the customer HAVE TO tip like at a restaurant when they turn the little screen and ask for 5 10 or 20% tip it should be a required
Nah
Doordash on their way out unless they make some real changes. Other apps taking over cause they actually respect the drivers
If everyone sits on the hot spot there will be many sitting ducks/dashers there. How silly we have to follow the carrot...we seem to be all sheep.
Very true
Would be open to go for platinum dasher if they didn’t do weird shit like hit you with three $2 10mi orders after getting your AR up or giving you a bad offer right as you’re trying to go offline. They just find ways to piss you off
Spot on
The tip after order thing was done in New York out of spite. The law didn’t make them do that. They did it to try to get dashers against the new law that has them making $30/ hour active time baseline
I think it’s time to accept doordash isn’t worth it anymore
Probably lol
@@Moore.Driven come on man, i am sure u could do anything else and get a reasonable 9 to 5 job and get whatever u want but relying in DD?
Put something on yr mind man, the good old pandemic days of DD and us making 200, 300$ a day will NEVER come back, shit rules or not... It is a complete diff world now, those days are long gone and i am sure you can do something way better than doorshit
Fan of yr videos for 2y or more, i know u can do something else and be happy... There is no strategy to win DD... These guys need to bankrupt
They will go out of business
Tony on that bs… ain’t nobody gon put up with Tony wanting us to do low offers… we must keep shutting that shit down
I will absolutely quit. I am not a gambler and drive a gas guzzler. My gas costs over 20 cents per mile. I'm not accepting any offer under $1/mi including deadhead miles. My AR is 4% right now.
There is the problem!
@@trppYgh0stwhy should I lose money for doordash?
@@trppYgh0stIf every trip could be 3 dollars per mile , every doordaser AR would be 90 percent up.
Yeah, if that happens in my area. Definitely uninstalling DD Driver app with the quickness. I dont gamble with my livelihood.
And whats going to happen next (if they only display $2offers) is drivers will complain to their state about livable wages and then the government will put some janky law together to pay drivers and pretty much make them DD employees with required hours and shifts.
Yeah same here
its not top dasher that gives you good orders its your Acceptance rate that determines if you get bad or good orders, this past year they have manipulated the system instead of a 1/1 % up or down on accepting or declining, your AR only increases 1% for every 4,5 orders meaning you have to accept that many times to increase thus doordash wanting drivers to fail
Wrong!
@@trppYgh0stin more ways than once 😁
Its far more than 5 orders to raise 1%... Seen it myself... More like 20 orders to see it raise just 1 percentual point
Raised mine to 95% (somehow they were f**king with me and it did not go higher)
At that point made a little experiment and declined 2 orders on same shift... AR Went down from 95 to 87%
So far it is being a pain on the 4$$ to get it up again even fact im taking all in
i absolutely will quit dashing if this is implemented. doordash will lose business. so its on them really to just pay their dashers more. or just force the customers to tip and then maybe they wouldnt have this problem
Maybe this iz how they delete DD off tha map 🤔🤔 this'll doo it fa sho 🤣😭 i don't move 4 less than $5 & that betr b no mo than 2mi, no joke. Sicka drivin all theze miles 4 ingrates on both sides
Um I'd rather just not take any orders and get a "real job" we all know DD can't be trusted with the tips. So they want drivers to gamble? They will lowball all orders. This is a recipe for disaster. I quit dashing FT 3 months ago. Best decision ever! W2 is the way to go.
Ain't no such thing as a "real job" nowadays. Every company low paying EVERYONE these days.
Uber changed to a scheduling system in NYC.
Why no one talking about Doordash deactivating driver and not paying the money they make!
Why are u half way reporting about NY when they have a guaranted pay per hour now per NY law? Tell the whole story or did u not get the memo
He’s telling the truth, as he knows it, which doesn’t seem to be very much these days🤷🏻♂️
I’m pretty sure they don’t have guaranteed pay per hour. They have guaranteed pay per active hour.
@@lakoncers13 that's what I meant just so frustrating qhen someone is telling part of the story. I'm sure it's just like earn by time but it's evaluated at the end of the week to see if someone made that amount and given the difference. Ad much reporting that had been done on it this is a lame story qith half the facts
@@ericberry6557 It's only by active delivery time. In my market I tried the stupid pay-by-active delivery time and literally received no orders so I was paid squat. He probably didn't know that part because I literally didn't until coming into the comments section of this video.
4.91
Customer Rating
99%
Acceptance Rate
99%
Completion Rate
99%
On time or early
900
Lifetime Deliveries
Every delivery you've completed
If referring to yourself I think you have done a great job. And yet, no one forced you to do this. My ratings are very high because I chose to do this and I have work ethic. I actually care about doing a great job every day - every order. 1 year in - 2100+ orders delivered.
@@brucemaier3943 yes referring to my self and thank you. Despite what these UA-camrs say I’ve noticed that the higher your ratings the better offers you receive, which means the more money you can make. This is my second account because my first account was banned when I found a grey area in door dashes “mark store closed” option. My first account has about the same rating. 4000+ deliveries.
With this new program they have: you decline A SINGLE ORDER your AR goes down 3 to 5 p.p.
You work as a slave and take shit orders by hundreds in a row, your AR goes up 1pp only... The metric is totally unfair and they keep saying "as independent contracts we have free will to decide"... Well you decide to decline and get penalised right away
If all is just base pay. The people ordering from 15 miles away will never get their food.
They shouldn’t be able to
In other words , to make a long story short...Its a scam...lol
Basically😂
Can we say "class action lawsuit" 😂
You forgot the "streak pay". Complete so many orders in a row and get an extra $6-$11.
I kinda liked the Streak Pay thing,,I only had to run one that I didn't like..BUT I did lose my streak once too ,, because I wasn't about to run such a shitty delivery lol
@@karenvickers9172Complete this delivery for 5 of 5 and streak pay bonus.
18 mi.
$5.25
@@karenvickers9172 they'd alway make my third order No/low tip and crazy miles. They know what they're doing...
I miss back in 2017 when I started dashing DoorDash would be $7.00+ whatever your tips were.
Fr tho, it was nice back then
I saw these articles where Uber and DD weren’t going to prompt for a tip until after the delivery is complete. This could go 2 ways. 1. They’re left with no drivers at all. 2. All drivers become cherry pickers pushing order values up and letting orders get cold at the stores.
In no way do I see drivers taking every order….outside of a few folks just delivering as a form of hobby. This particular idea is self destructive outside of areas like New Dork and California.
Dd needs to be replaced
We have to depend on tips to make a living? In this economy, in this world? Jokes. This is fucking ridiculous. We all need to come together and take a stand.
Easy solution.I don’t do less than 2 bux a mile so if they are all 2.50, I decline every order over a mile and a half and multiapp.
Do something else please
Very few people will tip afterwards. Once they get their food, they are going to eat, talk, party, whatever, and they will forget about the order and the tip. I think DD needs to have some kind of scale factor for distance from a restaurant. Even if you get that 2/mile order but is 12 miles away, that is also time that is consumed where you could be doing several good short distance order that would actually be more money.
Man I accepted 4 orders and ended up with $2.5 peak pay tips $16.75 after that I accepted 7 orders peak pay $5.75 tips $18.00 ,we are delivering for free 😂😂😂,now I accept only 1 order
$29 vs, $12.5 is a huge jump in pay in New York. In reality they're both "Active time". If your serious about deliveries then getting max tips for 2 hours a night vs. Maybe making $20 every hour you do work is much much better. The only negative is that driver deactivations for abusing active time could become a real thing so they have to work thru those issues.
Earn by time is the reason why the base pay by offer is low they catering more to the no tip orders and ever since they changed the stack orders to $1 for each I been getting hella lot of those even with shop and pay
Schedule 30 minutes on each hour,that simple,come and go on ,and also see the map after each delv.
I wish you could turn off grocery/shopping orders. I did one the other day spent 20+ minutes getting items, and waiting for substitutions, and got no tip. After that I kind of wanna avoid all grocery orders. At least with food delivery, its a quick pick up and drop off so no tip there doesn’t hurt as bad.
On the post you made on the breakdown of the cost... it said there is a dasher support fee of $3.50 that suspiciously looks like base pay. Are they passing the base pay over to the customer???
Absolutely. Doordash only pays us from the customers end
That "dash at will" isn't a draw for me. I usually dash whenever I want regardless
I keep reading my terms and conditions we can negotiate our pay as a independent contractors. So what the prop 22 they have to pay our minimum wage plus I believe it's $120 or just 20% above the min wage wherever you accept the order at play if you read the fine print you must keep your car insurance and you have to have workers comp insurance
great video! thanks
If they do the last option, where every order will be 2.50... I will be leaving D.D.
The title is definitely misleading. This new program is trying to weed out the cherry pickers. if you’re acceptance rating is above 70-80% about 90% of the orders are good and you can cherry pick or two here and there. I think the crappy orders are in the lower 50s as a punishment for those that cherry pick..
Probably
In our area DD had reset everyone's acceptance rating and said if your acceptance rating drops below 90% then you will be deactivated. Now I don't see any good paying offers.
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I did doordash. Made about 1000 dollars and spent 1200 fixing my car. It was fun tho.
Nope.. Nope and Nope.. if Doordash does that.. They going under.. ...Hell Noooo.. you let every order be $2.50... won't nothing be taken.
Do we know your current depreciation rate for your car per mile? So we need to be very cautious here regarding earnings. Again these are pretax earnings not factoring in car depreciation, mechanical wear and tear, and the final money boss, the tax man. I’ve been doing Uber x, Uber eats and DoorDash on and off for years. I have a strategy to continue making a humble profit, nothing lucrative, but I think it’ll be interesting to have a discussion with other people to see if they have similar results.
And there will be lots of orders not getting picked up
Factor in gas, then see how much you make hourly
thankfully where I live is right in the middle of an area with a lot of restaurants. so I never have to drive really far out of the way at all. but I feel bad for all the people the app will be d*cking over in the new year. :-/
Well if doordash limited Dash times to 12 hours in a 24 hour period with mandatory 8 hour break like were required to fo on Uber and Lyft the pay would most definitely be elevated and there would be fewer drivers during certain times of day
They already tried no upfront tipping in a couple markets earlier this year. The fact it was discontinued instead of spreading should be the answer to whether or not its going to happen elsewhere.
They're only doing it in NYC because not only do they have to pay $29.93/active hour, they are also required to show any upfront tip. By only allowing tips afterwards, it discourages cherry picking.
This is true that it's mainly for the case of NYC to date but IMO it's still gonna spread eventually because if it's successful in NYC for DoorDash they will find a way to do the same anywhere they can to make those extra bills off our backs. Not to mention there is a lot of people living in NYC which could easily spread the information that they don't have to tip there and it might just catch on by customers everywhere that way. Either way I think it's time to retire DoorDash soon and focus on other apps or even maybe looking at going to school for a career or just getting a W2 for the security of guaranteed earnings.
I tip after I receive my order bc many Dashers don't pay attention to instructions or directions. One fool left my food in a small tree near my window😂
This is why I wish there was a before and after tip. One for incentive. One for gratitude of good service.
@@johnreskusich2324 I hear you. I always give something no matter what. We don't know what people are going through. I was a mess and made mistakes after my baby son passed away. Life happens.
I think that on orders that are a certain mileage away, there should be an extra fee in the customer should be told why the extra fee is there
It has to do with New York. Uber eats is going to do it too. This is what happens when you want to be an employee and get 22 per hour. Been warning people this will happen.
Sunday I had 5 orders in the row and all was $30 an up. It was very good day. So I think td do get priority.
shit.. I'm stealing from doordash come the 1st.... I'm gonna wait till I get a nice restaurant and taking the food .
I already quit the pay wasn't good enough anymore But I will say probably 10% of customers might tip after delivery So good luck to anyone who sticks it out but I would suggest getting on something different
Lol 10% lolol I've never been tipped after the fact and I have 2k deliveries
@offlineraided I got almost 2900 Keep working hard and you might get one lmao I think I've had 3 maybe
@@whysoserious867 sure sure 💰
I quit at least a year ago. My market TANKED so freaking hard. I was LUCKY if I received any orders at all. I was literally doing 12-hour shifts and getting no orders...On other days I was doing 12 hours and getting the worst offers imaginable. The offers were base pay for 10-15+ mile orders and I would maybe get 2-3 the entire shift. I was spending more time sitting in parking lots and driving than I was delivering.
My final straw was a horrendous order. I was low on gas so I was going to do a couple of quick orders just to get gas money to start off with. The 1st order I took ended up taking me almost 2 hours! The GPS took me in the completely wrong direction. Their house number wasn't in the GPS so I had to do a house next to theirs. So I headed to their house, they were super apologetic and said they would give me even more of a tip when I arrived. But they lied, they weren't even at the house, and the person's dad who was home that grabbed the order made me leave their property. When I was trying to message the buyer about it they just said I'm not at home. As I was trying to explain what happened chat closed out on me.
I went into a parking lot and cried and drove home because I would have run out of gas completely if I had taken any more orders. That was after the 12 hours of no order shifts already and I was just done at that point. I've dashed twice since then and I only dash when they send me an email saying my Dasher Direct card is about to be closed if I don't do any orders. I literally do 1 order then end my shift just to keep the option of Dashing again open to me.
If DD didn't give crap orders constantly, we'd all be top dashers. I get my AR up to 70%, orders come in at $2.50. AR goes down to 50%- & 30% then lower... SSDD It's exhausting & too frustrating to even do it at this point.
i am in this same shit
The higher the AR, the bigger the scam.
Eh
Nah, what they forcin me 2 duu iz find alterknit meenz of remuneration 😂
You forgot the full context for the last point… no more upfront tips because every delivery person is now guaranteed to get paid at least $29.93/active hour.
I’m actually okay with that.
That's only for NYC
Active hour, are the operative words. I tried the pay-by-hour thing in my area and received NO orders at all so I got paid nothing for being out the entire time.
@@ShaynePlayzGamez that’s why I said it’s the full context.
This change only happened because of NYC new regulations.
@@deadsetondreams1988 I mean.. if you’re not working, it’s kinda expected to not get paid
Once you start driving 10+ miles into the 10 & 20 $ tip area and the tips stop happening it hurts you and the customer that to regularly..
No tip, low tip, no trip, no exceptions.
I wont quit but i wont accept orders either as it sounds like it will be below My set minimum order. I cant speak for anyone else but myself and if this happens then it will be stalemate until something changes. I wont alter my set minimums
Top dasher is nice. However, since October , the crap orders have driven down my AR from 80s to 60s. The offers need to make sense. I
If it’s 6 bucks for 8 miles and you don’t take it go find something else to do
Customers are NOT gonna tip after they get their food I’m quitting if they do that.
Door dash done tured straight to garbage
28 an hour. And now do the taxes on that probably dropped you down to 20-23 an hour
Which is plenty for a job like this.
you’re paying tax on every kind of job/income, not just DoorDash.
@@jeffw1267 I’m in california that is not enough. I make 30 an hour with no overtime. My side hustle is Ubereats because $30 an hour isn’t enough
I already have a 92% acceptance rating.And if I get an order that is trying to get me to drive 40 miles for $2.75 with no tip and not a climate.I'll get a text from DoorDash.Telling me that I am damaging my acceptance rating. It should be absolutely fucking illegal for them to try to make a Dasher.Spin their own money to work.
It's simple....if every or most orders were $2 and take average 23 minutes to complete. That means you do an average of 20 deliveries in an 8 hour shift. 20x 2 is $ 40. You are literally paying to work. Basically your are a not for profit volunteer 😂
.. I'm priority, in a busy area .. eh not a big deal .. dash any time .. I use DD at nite better orders than UberEATS at nite it seems lately .. I use UberEATS at lunch .. 🤔🚗
Uber eats is horrible,I delivered uber eats for 6 hours one day took me 50 miles from home and I made 64 dollars NOW THAT IS GARBAGE
Been working for doordash about 3.5 years and counting if they implement that system its simple il quit and look for better opportunities
They WANT the old-timers to quit. Veteran drivers complain the most and expect the highest pay. Better to let the immigrants do the job: they work cheap.
@@jeffw1267u dont know anything about that bro... Citizens or not, all work hard to have a living... Do you usually fix yr bed after u wake up? Immigrants usually do theirs and for ppl to whom they work for, their days probably start while you are still dreaming prom with that nice girl
I'm prioritized for shop and deliver, and my acceptance rate if 17%.
They getting awful now.
Spark paying good instacart too
I " Dash " to supplement my income, not to get rich. I have no Boss except myself. I'm in competition with no one but myself. I don't have to do this - I chose to do this. If one doesn't like it - warehouses, factories and fast food is hiring across north America. At this point after 1 year dashing I have Top Dasher status and over two-thousand deliveries behind me with a 96+% acceptance rating , 100 per cent completion . I am seventy years old. You have 45 thousand subscribers. Great!
😳FORCING?
Yeah if you decline one order. The algorithm pushes more orders that you'll likely decline.
So it bullies you essentially
Lol hence forcin 😭 I can't stand theze 4evr greedy basterdz. This system iz ded
Doordash is a joke people don't waste your time wearing out your car
Most important thing is keep completion rate at 95 or above or you lose top dasher. By time sucks. To make anything you have to sit in the car and let the clock run and you get fewer orders and longer ones. Unfortunately no one will see my comments the censor blocked me. I tell the truth and wokies don't like the truth.
You are not even close to correctly describing the situation in NYC