Really thorough and amazing review! Appreciate all the time and effort you went into creating this video good work! I have a 2021 manual I30N and I can agree with you - it is such a fun and engaging car to drive.
I just got a kona N--I am semi experienced in dragging 1/4 mile and have over 100 hours of track time on various cars and the Kona N is a very capable vehicle--you ca click and see I have multiple videos of cars I have owned and drag races--hi speed runs and reviews/Kona N is in the break in period but I like the fact it is just a hair less edgy--it is also very stable at very high speeds.The stats also mean with a Kona n you can enter speeds faster and more stable and have better transition in turns.These cars are bargain for what they are.BTW the Kona being an CUV has big wheel wells and looks like it can handle 245 tires which would make it even better.
Amazing, I was looking for this type review for a while. I have ordered a i30 sedan n dct. But if I can get one more fun car, I will definitely go i20n.
So apparently this is the last generation of the N hatch and the sedan will see one more generation here in Aus. I’m currently trying to choose between the hatch and sedan. The sedan is the better car on paper and the new interior is superior. I just love the look of the hatch though.
This reminds me a lot of my S2000 I got back in 1999, Honda gifted a track day at Winton to all owners so I was fortunate enough to be part of that. Those cars were also geared up for track, I remember mentions of the brake fade being non-existent and the inclusion of baffles in the sump to minimise the effect of high speed cornering to the oil supply, amongst other things. I am hoping my i30N DCT will arrive this week, I have lost count on how many video reviews I have watched on here in the meantime. I'm hoping it will be a good daily driver with the occasional trip down the Great Ocean Road or one of the other fun open roads we have in Victoria
I thought of that but conditions weren't going to allow it; too hard to find space for a flying lap without traffic, and then it rained...so track conditons would have been out as the track dry after the rain is different to dry before the rain. So, didn't work out. Would be interesting though. i20N slowest though!
Awesome thorough video. I just thought I’d point out that in your pictures when comparing the cars, you have a fastback picture instead of the new sedan which you drove. Might be confusing to some people.
Excellent comparison video. However I did notice what I believe to be a small visual error. I believe the image used to represent the i30 Sedan N is an image of the i30N fastback. I believe the correct vehicle you were referring to is the newest addition to the line up, the Avante N (in Korean market) or the Elantra N (in US market).
Didn't notice any at all. Not read other reviews of it either, I never do so my opinions are not swayed. I did have revmatch turned off, because h'n't, but on an upshift that shouldn't make a difference. The shifter is sweet.
Oh, tough choice, and good shortlist! I did 26 laps of the 'Ring in a 2018 ST. It's a great car, can't go wrong with either, but I've not back-to-backed them so cannot say more than that.
Went into hyundai a few days ago to talk about getting an i30n, 12-15 month wait on the hatch, and 3-6 month wait on the sedan, the i20n they arent even taking orders for atm either
Great video, thanks! Very very minor nit-pick but the graphic for the Sedan N on your TV during the comparison was actually the Fastback? Otherwise, top video cheers 👍
Unfortunately we don't get the i30 N in the U.S, and I'd absolutely get one were it available. We do get the Elantra and Kona N's which are great though. I think most here would gladly trade the quirky Veloster for the i30 any day of the week!
@@L2SFBC The Sedan is actually using Michellen PS4S not the Pzeros You're using an image for the Fastback on the screen Weight is 1468 to 1503kg , weight listed for is for the Fastback.
I think that's possibly some international differences. The image in some places is Fastback; the specs are from Hyundai's Sedan N 2021 sheet for Australia. There are definitiely spec differences eg Kona N gets cast wheels here, forged in some other markets, and spec differences would translate to weights.
@@L2SFBC I'm from Australia and have 2 mates with the i30N Sedan and can tell you, that the i30N Sedan does come with Alloy wheels wrapped in Hyundai Variant Michellen PS4S All other cars in the N range get the Pzeros Hn tyres, with only the FL i30N getting the Forged Wheels. Those figures are pulled directly from Hyundai Australia. The image you have used it 110% a fastback, video footage used is the sedan.
We will never see the i20N here in the US and I hate that.. The I30 is called the Elantra here, but it's just not my thing. I am considering a Veloster N to replace my Fiesta ST but only because I can't get an i20N.
Very informative analyzis, thank you. With some minor mistakes: - that long car's shape is i30 Fastback N and it's not Sedan N (Elantra N). - "No torque steer" - This is not true at all, maybe it's decreased, but still you might get serious torque steer at some situations.
Yes sorry about the Fastback - torque steer is pretty much minimised, see my later N Tech video for how that's done. ua-cam.com/video/qTJTcSCW9cE/v-deo.html
@@L2SFBC Regarding t.steer - sorry Robert but I own a Kona N that's why I know exactly how much the torque steer is. It could be serious, always grab the wheel with two hands when you go wild. But I'll watch the linked video, simply because you make good videos.
I've tested the Kona N - seperate video on that - and felt control of torque steer was excellent. Note it's control of, as powerful FWD cars do have torque steer, just Hyundai minimise it and counter it. In one of my videos I show an Alfa Romeo REALLY torque steering! Would much appreciate shares of these videos too if you don't mind.
It's a personal choice, but this is a track test, not a general test, and as such I pick the i30N manual for fun as it's quicker, and feels racier to me. The shorter and tighter the course, the more I'd lean to the i20N, certainly for motorkhanas. I haven't driven the entire range on road, so made no comment to that extent; what is a good track car doesn't necessarily translate to a good fun car on rural roads. Suspension is a good example.
Light weight is critical - this coming from a Lotus Elise owner - and the 250kg+ on the i30N does make a difference. However, because it's quicker and heavier, corners become more interesting. What might be flat in an i20N because it's slower/lighter becomes not flat in the faster, heavier i30N and braking becomes more important. If you've ever done indoor gokarting on a rubbish track where it's flat out except for one corner...well, that. The adjustable suspension also means the i30N can corner very nicely too, whereas the i20N has fixed rate dampers so its suspension is more of a compromise. Like I said it's track dependent; for a very narrow, tight track the i20N would be more fun, but for the average racetrack (which is what my comparison is based on), I'd choose the i30N. For rural roads, probably i20N but I can't say as I don't know how it handles there...I don't draw conclusions for road use based on track work.
I'm confused. In your comparison, did you meant i30N sedan/fastback (which is shown in the table) or i30 sedan N/elantra N which is shown in the background images? EDIT I confirmed dimensions and weight, you are comparing the elantra N to others, not the fastback from the picture in the table
Yes the specs are definitely Elantra N / Sedan N, the picture I thoight I took from Hyundai's website of the Sedan N but it may have been from an older video about the Fastback.
Can't say - too much traffic to set a laptime properly in the morning, then in the afternoon it rained. So rather than provide inaccurate data I've just not provided any. I would say the Kona may be the slowest or the i20N - the Kona is quicker on the straights but the i20N makes up in the corners so it's all dependent on the track.
I doubt it ever will be and I wouldn't suggest Hyundai do it either. The i20N is the budget car, so it needs to be slower than the others, and if it has the same engine it'll be quicker. And it'll then need the E-LSD to deal with the power. Both of those changes will require fundamental changes to the suspension etc as the 2.0 engine would be heavier than the 1.6. And both items will add cost, and so the difference between i20N and i30N will diminish. So I'd prefer to leave things as-is. If anything, I'd prefer that the i20N goes on a diet to see if it'll get under 1100kg; 3 doors, lose some comfort, forged 17" wheels, maybe another 5kW or so, more track-oriented suspension alignment, stiffen the Torsen a touch...i20N+ or something. Make it a real track weapon that's also pretty liveable.
The best summary about "N". I saw test film and I chose i20N. Now I have i20N and it is super. Big thanks !
Glad it was helpful and thank you so much for the Super Thanks!
Really thorough and amazing review! Appreciate all the time and effort you went into creating this video good work! I have a 2021 manual I30N and I can agree with you - it is such a fun and engaging car to drive.
Glad it was helpful, and that you're enjoying your i30N.
Hyundai have really nailed it. Have an i30N which I've taken to the track several times and it just soaks up the punishment!
Great to hear!
it's not the one I just bought, is it ? haha
@@DelPellezin Hahaha no you're all good, I still have mine! 😄
@@UTubeSL haha, good to know. I bought an 18 month old premium DCT with sunroof with 53,000 kms, seems odd but it was way too damn cheap to pass up
This is one, if not, the best video on YT about the N range and their capabilities. Great stuff.
Thanks Ryan, would appreciate a share and did you see the N Tech video?
I just got a kona N--I am semi experienced in dragging 1/4 mile and have over 100 hours of track time on various cars and the Kona N is a very capable vehicle--you ca click and see I have multiple videos of cars I have owned and drag races--hi speed runs and reviews/Kona N is in the break in period but I like the fact it is just a hair less edgy--it is also very stable at very high speeds.The stats also mean with a Kona n you can enter speeds faster and more stable and have better transition in turns.These cars are bargain for what they are.BTW the Kona being an CUV has big wheel wells and looks like it can handle 245 tires which would make it even better.
Your tech explainers are wonderful, your car reviews are absolutely outstanding Robert. Thank you Sir!
Glad you like them! Please share :-)
A few detailed differences here I didn't expect and hadn't picked up on despite seeing most of the versions.
Good coverage, thanks!
Glad I could help!
Amazing, I was looking for this type review for a while.
I have ordered a i30 sedan n dct. But if I can get one more fun car, I will definitely go i20n.
Thank you, please share :-)
So apparently this is the last generation of the N hatch and the sedan will see one more generation here in Aus. I’m currently trying to choose between the hatch and sedan. The sedan is the better car on paper and the new interior is superior. I just love the look of the hatch though.
Waiting for our 120n in silver myself and my wife are in our mid sixties and are big fans of hot hatches top review
Love it! Watch for my next video you'll like it too...
Excellent and detailed video on the N cars. I'm planning to order an N sedan soon to replace my Lexus IS350 F sport.
Thank you! Please share 👍what else are you considering?
@@L2SFBC There's not that many choices right now on the market so the N sedan is quite unique.
This reminds me a lot of my S2000 I got back in 1999, Honda gifted a track day at Winton to all owners so I was fortunate enough to be part of that. Those cars were also geared up for track, I remember mentions of the brake fade being non-existent and the inclusion of baffles in the sump to minimise the effect of high speed cornering to the oil supply, amongst other things. I am hoping my i30N DCT will arrive this week, I have lost count on how many video reviews I have watched on here in the meantime. I'm hoping it will be a good daily driver with the occasional trip down the Great Ocean Road or one of the other fun open roads we have in Victoria
I don't think you'll be disappointed!
Cracking vid, awesomely informative! Kudos !
Glad you enjoyed it! Don't forget my N Tech video, and would much appreciate shares :-)
Agree on AWD points but I’m still going to gladly wait for an AWD Kona N electric with that sweet sweet instant torque on all wheels XD
You and me both!
Thank you so much for making this video! Exactly what I was looking for. Shame no forged wheels or Pzeros on the sedan.
Glad it helped, please share...and there's another one coming soon I think you'll like :-)
Best back seat space is actually the i20N !
First time I've watched your channel, just subscribed Cheers 🍻
Thanks....what made you sub?
Your review I thought was right on the mark and through 😎
Thank you!
An absolute Amazing in debt review although it would be good to see the track times between all the variants.👍
I thought of that but conditions weren't going to allow it; too hard to find space for a flying lap without traffic, and then it rained...so track conditons would have been out as the track dry after the rain is different to dry before the rain. So, didn't work out. Would be interesting though. i20N slowest though!
Awesome thorough video. I just thought I’d point out that in your pictures when comparing the cars, you have a fastback picture instead of the new sedan which you drove. Might be confusing to some people.
Thanks and oops!
Excellent presentation with excellent experience and knowledge
Glad you liked it! Please share!
Excellent comparison video. However I did notice what I believe to be a small visual error.
I believe the image used to represent the i30 Sedan N is an image of the i30N fastback.
I believe the correct vehicle you were referring to is the newest addition to the line up, the Avante N (in Korean market) or the Elantra N (in US market).
Yes that's been picked up and noted in the description, thanks
Not sure if it has been mentioned already, the i30N Sedan has Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tyres.
What are your thoughts on the rev hang in the I20N? How badly does it impede smooth gear shifts?
Didn't notice any at all. Not read other reviews of it either, I never do so my opinions are not swayed. I did have revmatch turned off, because h'n't, but on an upshift that shouldn't make a difference. The shifter is sweet.
@@L2SFBC Ok good to hear. Tossing up between the I20N and the new Fiesta ST.
Oh, tough choice, and good shortlist! I did 26 laps of the 'Ring in a 2018 ST. It's a great car, can't go wrong with either, but I've not back-to-backed them so cannot say more than that.
@@L2SFBC Thanks anyway.
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Great review, very detailed. Thanks
Thanks please share 👍
It’s going to be a great year for affordable performance cars, it’s a toss up between the i30n hatchback/sedan, GR Yaris, GR86 and the Nissan Z.
Have you made a decision yet? I'm in the same boat lol
Went into hyundai a few days ago to talk about getting an i30n, 12-15 month wait on the hatch, and 3-6 month wait on the sedan, the i20n they arent even taking orders for atm either
Here in Australia, Hyundai claims a 0-60 (0-100) time of 6.2 seconds for the i20 N.
Great video, thanks! Very very minor nit-pick but the graphic for the Sedan N on your TV during the comparison was actually the Fastback? Otherwise, top video cheers 👍
Yes, correct it was the Fastback, sorry about that!
@@L2SFBC no problemo thanks again for the great vid!
Very nice video !!! Well done 👍
Thanks please share 👍
Unfortunately we don't get the i30 N in the U.S, and I'd absolutely get one were it available. We do get the Elantra and Kona N's which are great though. I think most here would gladly trade the quirky Veloster for the i30 any day of the week!
Strange, wonder why no i30N?
Your Sedan facts seem to have a mix about the Fastback and the actual Sedan.
How so?
@@L2SFBC
The Sedan is actually using Michellen PS4S not the Pzeros
You're using an image for the Fastback on the screen
Weight is 1468 to 1503kg , weight listed for is for the Fastback.
I think that's possibly some international differences. The image in some places is Fastback; the specs are from Hyundai's Sedan N 2021 sheet for Australia. There are definitiely spec differences eg Kona N gets cast wheels here, forged in some other markets, and spec differences would translate to weights.
@@L2SFBC
I'm from Australia and have 2 mates with the i30N Sedan and can tell you, that the i30N Sedan does come with Alloy wheels wrapped in Hyundai Variant Michellen PS4S
All other cars in the N range get the Pzeros Hn tyres, with only the FL i30N getting the Forged Wheels.
Those figures are pulled directly from Hyundai Australia.
The image you have used it 110% a fastback, video footage used is the sedan.
Hi - checked again you're correct, sorry. I don't know how the Fastback image got there, but it did! I definitely drove the Sedan N though :-)
We will never see the i20N here in the US and I hate that..
The I30 is called the Elantra here, but it's just not my thing.
I am considering a Veloster N to replace my Fiesta ST but only because I can't get an i20N.
Sad you won't get the 20!
Isn't it Elantra N on track, not i30 fastback N? Maybe it's branded differently at different markets.
It was the Fastback N now it is the Sedan N. Yes different markets.
There is i30n fastback and it's different to i30n sedan/ Elantra N
Very informative analyzis, thank you. With some minor mistakes:
- that long car's shape is i30 Fastback N and it's not Sedan N (Elantra N).
- "No torque steer" - This is not true at all, maybe it's decreased, but still you might get serious torque steer at some situations.
Yes sorry about the Fastback - torque steer is pretty much minimised, see my later N Tech video for how that's done. ua-cam.com/video/qTJTcSCW9cE/v-deo.html
@@L2SFBC Regarding t.steer - sorry Robert but I own a Kona N that's why I know exactly how much the torque steer is. It could be serious, always grab the wheel with two hands when you go wild. But I'll watch the linked video, simply because you make good videos.
I've tested the Kona N - seperate video on that - and felt control of torque steer was excellent. Note it's control of, as powerful FWD cars do have torque steer, just Hyundai minimise it and counter it. In one of my videos I show an Alfa Romeo REALLY torque steering!
Would much appreciate shares of these videos too if you don't mind.
Most reviews are saying the i20n is the most drivers car/fun out of the N range but each to their own 👍
It's a personal choice, but this is a track test, not a general test, and as such I pick the i30N manual for fun as it's quicker, and feels racier to me. The shorter and tighter the course, the more I'd lean to the i20N, certainly for motorkhanas. I haven't driven the entire range on road, so made no comment to that extent; what is a good track car doesn't necessarily translate to a good fun car on rural roads. Suspension is a good example.
@@L2SFBC this is what I've read on UK reports saying i30N is great but feels too heavy compared to the i20..but then i haven't driven either.
Light weight is critical - this coming from a Lotus Elise owner - and the 250kg+ on the i30N does make a difference. However, because it's quicker and heavier, corners become more interesting. What might be flat in an i20N because it's slower/lighter becomes not flat in the faster, heavier i30N and braking becomes more important. If you've ever done indoor gokarting on a rubbish track where it's flat out except for one corner...well, that. The adjustable suspension also means the i30N can corner very nicely too, whereas the i20N has fixed rate dampers so its suspension is more of a compromise. Like I said it's track dependent; for a very narrow, tight track the i20N would be more fun, but for the average racetrack (which is what my comparison is based on), I'd choose the i30N. For rural roads, probably i20N but I can't say as I don't know how it handles there...I don't draw conclusions for road use based on track work.
@@L2SFBC thanks for the reply 👍
thanks for your input!
Watched a vid of the next Kona coming out the person was saying the I30 N may be gone. I see the Sedan going away also because of the new Elantra.
I hope the i30N stays!!!
Is there an option with any of these N cars to reduce the exhaust note and make the car sound normal or is the loud crackle standard?
Run the exhaust in Normal mode. Still louder than standard though.
Don't know about the others but the i20n is adjustable in N custom mode.
I'm confused. In your comparison, did you meant i30N sedan/fastback (which is shown in the table) or i30 sedan N/elantra N which is shown in the background images?
EDIT I confirmed dimensions and weight, you are comparing the elantra N to others, not the fastback from the picture in the table
Yes the specs are definitely Elantra N / Sedan N, the picture I thoight I took from Hyundai's website of the Sedan N but it may have been from an older video about the Fastback.
So what were the lap times of each?
Can't say - too much traffic to set a laptime properly in the morning, then in the afternoon it rained. So rather than provide inaccurate data I've just not provided any. I would say the Kona may be the slowest or the i20N - the Kona is quicker on the straights but the i20N makes up in the corners so it's all dependent on the track.
@@L2SFBC Thanks! i guess a bit of tuning and wider tyres on the i20 would bring it up to speed
I'd say wheel alignment would be top, I don't think wider tyres would help it. The alignment would help it rotate in.
Thanks Robert! How long before the 2.0 is swapped into the i20N, or a turbo upgrade is offered? Australia seems to lead the market on these things ;)
I doubt it ever will be and I wouldn't suggest Hyundai do it either. The i20N is the budget car, so it needs to be slower than the others, and if it has the same engine it'll be quicker. And it'll then need the E-LSD to deal with the power. Both of those changes will require fundamental changes to the suspension etc as the 2.0 engine would be heavier than the 1.6. And both items will add cost, and so the difference between i20N and i30N will diminish. So I'd prefer to leave things as-is. If anything, I'd prefer that the i20N goes on a diet to see if it'll get under 1100kg; 3 doors, lose some comfort, forged 17" wheels, maybe another 5kW or so, more track-oriented suspension alignment, stiffen the Torsen a touch...i20N+ or something. Make it a real track weapon that's also pretty liveable.
Very good, thank you.
Thanks please share 👍
nice video
Thanks
Where did you get this presenter,his pronunciation is ghastly Hyundai professional presentation makes or brake's your brand.
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