The internet gave people too much confidence to talk about stuff they don't know about, which is funny at first, but can be pretty harmful at a large scale '-'
Yeah, no one would dare to spew that kind of ignorance face to face with an expert in the real world. The internet allows us to say things without a second thought with a complete disregard to what it might entai
@@azizayari252 Eh, it's one way to learn, as long as you have the humility to be corrected. Experts can be in the same boat, if anything they're more likely to be patient.
Same story here! I started drawing at 22 because he made it all seem so much more approachable with these Tiktoks and videos that made me look at art and painting at a whole different way than what my teachers showed
It's thinking it takes talent what made me start way later than i would if i just knew i could get way better than i could ever imagine with disciplined practice
And when did that instruction actually help a single person? I've heard stuff like that my whole life from art "teachers" that's a meaningless statement. You draw to your ability, if they wanted to actually teach you they could show you hundreds of TECHNIQUES.
@@dar4061 The statement has meaning, you just didn't get it back then. It means stop representing what you see as "symbols" instead of how they really are. Accept that you don't know how anything "should" look and really see how the person or object in front of you really is. Only after you let go of your preconceptions can you faithfully recreate the observed person or object in an image.
@@dar4061 Yes, actually. It helped me! I'm sorry that you feel/felt that way about that statement, but it genuinely has meaning. It means to not draw what you think of in your mind when you see the object, but actually to draw what is right in front of you and try and replicate that. Like, instead of thinking "hand" in your mind and seeing the mental image that goes with it, you look at the hand and try to replicate the various lines and creases and curves. I hope this helps, and I wish you a good day!
@@dar4061it helps me a lot. On my channel I don’t usually post serious videos, but when I practice by myself, this piece of advice helps me a lot when I draw more realistic drawings.
The comments you showcase are a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, people who have no idea what theyre talking about great overestimating their knowledge and abilities. Love the video, keep it up!
As a mathematician we appreciate your openness to the idea that there is art or at least creativity and elegance in mathematics, particularly if you dive deeper than what is taught at school (which is the equivalent to those 4 step tutorials for drawing animals) Your channel convinced me to go pick up a pack of ten coloured pencils for 3 bucks, find three that looked like they made a value scale and have a go at a portrait. Humbling! But I’m already thinking about how to do the next one better
@@catpokerlicense To me, abstraction is not art. Art is made up of it, however, the actual work of art means something. A landscape, trees. Math is a tool, but it's what you can do with it that's "art". Solve engineering problems for real-life, design buildings that will be built. That's beauty, not fantasizing over numbers.
@@GreenLeafUponTheSky Hello! Engineer here! Mathematicians are a really unique breed in the STEM community. They notoriously have a devotion to very abstract ideas that a lot of people can't really conceive of all that well. They are educated and practice critical and notably incredibly creative thinking extensively. Many mathematical proofs require extremely creative processes and use logic in order to make a statement. It would be hard to not call that at all artistic. We engineers couldn't do just about anything without the enormous amount of progress that mathematicians have made in making the world easier to describe.
Math is 100% art. Its humanities pooled knowledge accumulated over thousands of years, hundreds of generations. It's the greatest tool we humans have created to understand the universe and the concepts behind it. To think of it as anything but the finest price of art we humans have ever created is absurd.
@@GreenLeafUponTheSky Most maths is done solely because the mathematician finds it interesting, with no regard to practicality. Most maths will remain impractical forever. What makes math art is not that it involves logic or virtuosity, it's that it's done because it's beautiful. “Real mathematics must be justified as art if it can be justified at all” - G.H. Hardy
Comment sections have become so anti-intellectual. Every time I see a sentence starting with "bro thinks/is/has/..." I know I'm about to read the most complacently ignorant and uneducated opinion ever
I really think that most people on social media are tunnel visioned with what they think without finding out if their argument even has a ground to stand on! You're doing great work my dood
Comment about "one style of anatomy" had me dead. Style? Of anatomy?? It's ANATOMY. It's how body is build. Yea everyone is a bit different, but that's the base, THE base. Man I'm kinda mad about it
bros first mistake was uploading something educational and helpful on instagram, a place very known for being a trollfest + uneducated folks acting educated on topics they know nothing about 💀💀💀
I started at 19, yet I failed art at school before 18. Now I'm 21 and I'm getting ready to paint in a renaissance style with oils. No one is born with a talent, and the people who claim so are simply too lazy and disinterested to pursue a hobby enough to become skilled in it
As soon as i saw instagram comments i knew there was gonna be army of 12 year olds who never picked a pencil 😆 Your teachings are awesome i see my art improving already with trying to pay more attention to values and shapes, thanks :D
honestly I feel like a lot of those comments are probably written by older people who are more stuck on their biases, which makes it even more embarrassing 😭
@@bluefrogeor some anime digital artists who ironically always seem to kick off over little things like this as their "Influencer" has told them another way and therefore everyone else is wrong 😂
@@Mark-nh2hs Tbh i do anime digital art but these teachings are VITAL to doing good art, it literally uses the same principles, when i was a begginer i disregarded them and my art looked like shit, so i kinda get why they dont think it would apply to them
people probably think all realistic paintings are from the renaissance because they played assassins creed once growing up and think they seen everything
Imo second video was definitely not a miss on ur part. When I first saw it I knew exactly what u were trying to say, I think people just don't pay attention/like to be angry
Same. The first time I watched it it was clear what he meant. You'd have to be either stupid, tunnel visioned or plain angry to misinterpret that video.
it's an intelligence issue. some people don't understand nuance and some people have an ego on top of that which makes them blinded to any argument that might contradict their beliefs.
Same! There's something about old art that might make you chuckle but just because, hey, we've all been there and we might still be! It's always cool to know that the people who are skilled came from somewhere, the same somewhere most people go through!
I despise the "artists are born" nonsense. No one says a mathematician or athlete is born---we all say that someone has the aptitude for those things. So why are artists "born" as if the skills we develop are some kind of esoteric mystery? A person can be born with natural talents that make learning the skills easier just like how mathematicians and athletes can have unique talents that make them excel in their fields, but nothing is stopping someone who doesn't have those unique talents to learn and become great in their chosen field. If you put your mind to something and input time, you can become great at it.
As someone who often sucks at things but still practices and tries to get good at them, I feel you. I think people just want excuses to justify themselves not wanting to put up work in order to improve. I've heard the same thing about athletes and mathematicians though. Like "I could never solve that, I've always been bad at math".
@@alvin_row Exactly. We need to approach with good-faith and attempt in ernest. If we don't, we have nothing---both nothing to show for and nothing to work towards. That is a sad existence, I think: To limit yourself and not even be willing to have the conversation.
People do say that tho? With sports, maths, science ect people do say "so and so are born" "natural born talent" "a great so and so is only born evert so and so"
@@vaIentinerose But people also acknowledge their hard work. They say they’re talented but they also acknowledge the work these athletes and mathematicians put in. Art seems to exist in a place where all everyone sees a lot of the time is the talent.
It's actually painful how much you have to defend yourself against people who lack basic text comprehension. Keep posting and doing what you are doing dude! You honestly inspire me so much to continue on my artist journey
The one where people were angry with you is so funny to me. I watched it a while back and it made perfect sense to me. You have to be really confused or immediately pissed off not to understand that the painting is used as an example.
Well it kinda make sense. I mean this sentence, not "once art..." and bs like that. Real math is barely even about numbers. Its beauty is about such an abstraction, that you forget that you can do calculations with it, and the whole journey, not just the calculated value.
I saw that short about the egg face or whatever and it was pretty easy to realize what you meant by "this doesn't make sense." some people are way too loyal to their kneejerk reactions
yes, especially after he drew the curved dotted line across the face. I'm sad people nowadays don't think twice about what they're hearing and trying to understand it. everyone just jumps to emotional conclusions and goes about their day
@@deligeorgieva8535I haven't seen this "egg face" but I imagine it's appeal is that it's easier for a beginner then learning the Loomis head method or another technique to draw realistically proportioned faces.
The confidence these guys have to write stuff like that down, thinking they just know it better is actually crazy
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One thing people forget when it comes to old master techniques like layering and glazing: the results look wonderful, but the main idea was to use the cheap and widely available pigments as much as possible (black, white, earth colors) and use the pure, vivid colors (reds, yellows, blues) in a very economic amount - just because they were crazy expensive at that time and you would’ve need very rich patrons to even think about using them. So it is not THE WAY to achieve beautiful color, it’s the way to achieve it without spending all your income on colorful powders. These masters didn’t like to spend months on a painting, they had to. There is a reason that the affordable, synthetic pigments, the tube paints (vs grinding the pigment and preparing the paint yourself) were invented around the same time when the impressionists started the alla prima / en plein air movement. Before these inventions it just wasn’t practical and affordable.
11:42 i'd bet money this person doesn't actually like spontaneous art that's "not calculated", theres lots of stubborn people who don't want to admit art is learned and there's a process and thought behind it, like the other comment saying artists are born, just comes off very defeatist, as if they were trying to draw at some point and gave up, decided that it's a talent they just didn't have
I'd love to see a video about your art journey! Just hearing about what inspired you to pursue art, why you chose painting, and generally how you reached the skill level you are now
When i started going to art school, there was some sort of revelation in my head on how art works. There were a bunch of these different classes we went to, like painting, pencil-drawing, graphics, sculpture, etc. and every single teacher there had their own approach to visualising art. Before the art school itself I thought being good at art was being a part of some perfect artist hivemind on how art works, it really isn't. It's likely most of these old masters had their own individual approach, and finding that approach in yourself really helps you develop your own feel for art. That's why old master's paintings were pretty unique in terms of style (even in realism), but just as good in terms of proportions, look, etc. Copying art is one thing, learning the fundamentals and finding your own style is the approach you should take. A unique brush ain't going to affect your skill at all
some people just can't imagine that others can be trying to learn new skills by studying the masters. the comments about being born an artist are so weird, basically anyone can study painting and anatomy! it might not always be easy, but that doesn't mean it's impossible
I’m honestly thankful for the haters in a way for giving you the attention to make your videos more viral so I was able to come across them. Your videos are great and super helpful and inspirational! Thank you 🙏
Also these people don't understand that this isn't about the old masters and whatever, it's about teaching people who are not those old masters, so why would those without basics go straight to "the way how the old masters did it"
I love your voice and cadence and choice of details in these videos! Ive been a very lazy artist my whole life, good simple fundamental teaching like this makes me change how i see things. Course i may never be great at art, (im a game dev and programming is 10x the work as my art so dont hold your breathe i get any better lol) but at least i can hold onto the little things that make things nicer and a bit better slowly instead of complicating things for people who aren't trying to spend all day studying art theory. Itll never happen.
One thing I really disliked about the tiktok at 13:15 is how you say that we've "lost" a mindset. Nothing has been lost, there are humans who can and are creating art to this standard today. Just because it's no longer the dominant technique does not mean that it's been "lost"
It’s pretty much any insta comment, or any social media, being very knowledgeable on the few communities I’m in, I see so many really dumbass people try act like they know better. Best example of this was when someone tried to argue tome about the engine I have in my own car… an engine I put in there and built…. That’s how bad it is sometimes
You’re doing very informative work! Every now and then I see your shorts and it always helps me a lot. A lot of the comments are people who just don’t understand what you mean and take it out on you to feel better and to feel “right”. You’re doing great work man and don’t let others discourage you.
I think you are doing an amazing job with this shorts/videos; I've learned many things from you and am quite baffled at the thoughtless comments... It's difficult to find such quality artists on youtube, hope you'll keep spreading your knowledge for a long time haha
Did you ever go to art school or take any classes? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible for me to get the level of skill you have by simply using online resources. Also, thanks to you I'm finally beginning my oil painting journey. I've been wanting to oil paint for a while now, but the task seemed impossible, from the supplies, to how alien painting with oil paints sounded to me. But watching your videos really inspired me, and your beginner oil painting video came out at the perfect time. I've gotten most of the materials and I'm so excited to get started. Whenever I'm lacking motivation your videos always bring the excitement and inspiration back.
I only have about 2 months of in-person training. I studied entirely online. I'm teaching two basics classes online that start this weekend the link is in the description. I studied from Ramon Hurtado and Devin korwin primarily. They're coming on for a stream this weekend
art wise, everything you need is online these days. it just depends on your understanding and how deep you are willing to go. i feel like i couldve learned everything i did in class, from just diving into art online. looking up tutorials -> trying myself -> using references -> learning the history -> etc. its all there but some people just cant do that. they dont know how or what to search and dont apply themselves and need a teacher to formulate the subject. but yes, you can 100% become insanely good with just youtube alone.
You do make art fun and approachable. I’ve always enjoyed the videos. Unfortunately, when it comes to art, I feel like there’s quite a few people who get a little too snooty about it because they appreciate it in a very specific way or they’ve spent a long time studying it and feel the unnecessary need to control how other people see it. Keep up the great videos man!
Even as a cartoon artist, I have studied older paintings for colour theory. Maybe not an in depth analysis, but older paintings have taught me a lot about lighting.
Wow I really am glad I stumbled across your channel. Glad you are seeing success. You are a very well spoken, intelligent and thoughtful artist. Hearing that you started 5 years ago makes me incredibly jealous! I’ve always wanted to be able to do art and I never EVER had these concepts explained to me ( although I never did seek them out, I was always horribly impatient with my art and therefore never made anything good ). I am going to take another stab at it.
you're so patient and answer their comments with kindness. i appreciate it. sometimes i think if it was me i would say something(very bad) in return and left the place cuz I don't have that patience to hear their nonsense. i wish the best for you \(^~^)/
Learning is such a process. Honestly so much gets lost in my brain when I see things broken down simply I don't really know why. I can copy lines kinda okay but anything else beyond that just becomes goblygoop.
One thing I like about this channel is how it tackles art a bit more holistically, the tidbits of knowledge Jake shares meet lots of intellectual standards honestly lmao and it gives you something tangible to cling onto in the seemingly abstract art world
I've been drawing since 12 probably. people said i was a natural and was born being an artist, i could learn to do portraits very easily and they turned out very well most of the time. but i never took time to learn the fundamentals and actually study, instead of following my instincts. when i tried drawing figures or different isolated body parts i suddenly stopped making progress, i could never draw anything right like in the reference. i got frustrated and stopped drawing. now at 21 i found your videos and shorts. they make stuff easier for me to understand and have changed my prespective quite a bit. I'm getting into art again and this time, I'm going to actually study for it and practice. my mindset now is more about the learning, not the outcome, which for me has never been a way to think about anything, really. so i thank you for this video and for every video you do, because they're a delight to watch and cozy to paint while watching
It's kinda crazy how many people seem to forget that learning the basics is necessary before you start bending the rules. It's nothing against people with different face shapes or body types.
Honestly there is not a single sane person on Instagram comments...and I bet most of them who commented don't even have a basic fundamental understanding of art
14:11 literally every digital artist say: flip your canvas, zoom out, don't focus on details. Look at Marco Bucci, he uses traditional art to enhance his digital art
i had a great art teacher my senior year of high school who basically taught a lot of what you teach in your shorts (elements of art specifically, also the principles of design), and I was shocked to see so many comments talking about how their art teachers had never taught them stuff like that. I'm glad that you're out here helping so many learn.
This video is so frustrating… people that don’t know what they’re talking about acting like they’re so smart, when they’re completely off the mark. Especially the digital art vs canvas guy 😢
19:00 I used acrylics, oil paints etc at art college but we were never actually taught any technique whatsoever, just given an assignment, told someone art history and left to our own devices. We allow never ever saw our teachers pick up a pencil or brush themselves I know you dislike digital art but when I became homeless and lost all my canvasses, paints, pastels etc I started over with a refurbished iPad Pro I decided to use FreshPaint, no special brushes and work all on one layer treating it like I would traditional paint. I think I really started to understand the business of painting vs drawing in my iPad era I appreciate the validation because that there on screen is exactly how I start my paintings and never knew this was considered a correct or acceptable way or doing things
Ive only watched 3 of your videos, including this one, and i feel like im slightly better than i was before. I realise that i actually like doing art now, and its not as stressfull and painful. I actually like the outcomes now. Thanks man 🤝
Reading Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis right now and he exactly states that last thing. When it comes to rendering and technique he gives examples on how it can be done but writes very clearly, that his goal is only to provide the underlying knowledge, so that the artist understands the problem at hand. The solution to that problem is best found on your own, for that is what makes your art unique.
just to drive home how much more important practice is than "natural talent": i know of people with actual cognitive deficiencies, including in their visual processing, who are far better artists than the average person who has never practiced art.
Talent is just a convenient excuse for lazy bums. "I don't have the talent, therefore I won't even bother trying to learn". It gets on my nerves. Even more so when people praise my works but they say "oh you're so talented". No I'm not, I spent the last 2 years slowly practicing drawing at my own pace, and I need 20 hours to finish something that would take a professional maybe 5. I'm grinding. It takes a lot of time and effort. I'm not gifted. You just gotta push through. Just admit you're lazy, there's no talent, there's only ability. If you have two working hands, and your eyes and brain are working fine, and you have no movement-impairing chronic illnesses or something, that's all you need, you're able to draw, that's your "ability, your "talent".
I went to a Graphic Design School and had a lot of Art classes but after school I quit drawing and painting because I was only designing and I also felt more and more that the postmodern conceptional and abstract approach would not fit me. Now I am - thanks to creators like you - really hooked on learning the whole thing from scratch starting with anatomy, rendering, observing and learning the technique first. I think even if someone want to do abstract art he/she should start by learning the basics and the rules (and may break them afterwards). Many other artists my age just want to bee seen in a postmodern art world, wich seems like there is no right or wrong on first sight. So they just start with a concept or aa message, wich is ok, but learning the basics is a hard and long process I think every artist should try before they make art.
Kim Jung Gi drew everything with a cheap $2 brush pen, but every demo he did the first question was “what pen do you use?” And it drove him nuts. To paraphrase “the brush I use is drawing every day for 30 years- please stop asking that”
The internet gave people too much confidence to talk about stuff they don't know about, which is funny at first, but can be pretty harmful at a large scale '-'
Yeah, no one would dare to spew that kind of ignorance face to face with an expert in the real world. The internet allows us to say things without a second thought with a complete disregard to what it might entai
Especially with politics 😮💨
Yeah, Dunning Kruger effect in display
@@azizayari252they definitely would and politics as well as talent shows like GotTalent are the prime example of it lol
@@azizayari252 Eh, it's one way to learn, as long as you have the humility to be corrected. Experts can be in the same boat, if anything they're more likely to be patient.
I started drawing because of those shorts, at the age of 35, with zero talent. Now I draw dogshit lines, but having a blast. Thanks my dood.
thats cool man, keep at it! keep having fun
bro is using the dogshit pigment
Same story here! I started drawing at 22 because he made it all seem so much more approachable with these Tiktoks and videos that made me look at art and painting at a whole different way than what my teachers showed
All that matters is that you started!
It's thinking it takes talent what made me start way later than i would if i just knew i could get way better than i could ever imagine with disciplined practice
The guy saying that "once art is calculated its not art anymore" is like saying "once you employ music theory in a piece its not music anymore"
What's funny is that people think that way with music too lol
"Once art is calculated it's not art anymore" you can see how much people don't know about general art history
My art teacher always used to say, "draw what you see not what you think you see"
And when did that instruction actually help a single person? I've heard stuff like that my whole life from art "teachers" that's a meaningless statement. You draw to your ability, if they wanted to actually teach you they could show you hundreds of TECHNIQUES.
@@dar4061 The statement has meaning, you just didn't get it back then. It means stop representing what you see as "symbols" instead of how they really are. Accept that you don't know how anything "should" look and really see how the person or object in front of you really is. Only after you let go of your preconceptions can you faithfully recreate the observed person or object in an image.
@@dar4061 Yes, actually. It helped me! I'm sorry that you feel/felt that way about that statement, but it genuinely has meaning. It means to not draw what you think of in your mind when you see the object, but actually to draw what is right in front of you and try and replicate that. Like, instead of thinking "hand" in your mind and seeing the mental image that goes with it, you look at the hand and try to replicate the various lines and creases and curves. I hope this helps, and I wish you a good day!
@@aterriblespartan5051I like Ian Roberts idea of paint shapes not things
@@dar4061it helps me a lot. On my channel I don’t usually post serious videos, but when I practice by myself, this piece of advice helps me a lot when I draw more realistic drawings.
The comments you showcase are a great example of the Dunning-Kruger effect, people who have no idea what theyre talking about great overestimating their knowledge and abilities. Love the video, keep it up!
As a mathematician we appreciate your openness to the idea that there is art or at least creativity and elegance in mathematics, particularly if you dive deeper than what is taught at school (which is the equivalent to those 4 step tutorials for drawing animals)
Your channel convinced me to go pick up a pack of ten coloured pencils for 3 bucks, find three that looked like they made a value scale and have a go at a portrait.
Humbling! But I’m already thinking about how to do the next one better
To me, math is art. Very abstract in nature, but it is.
@@catpokerlicense To me, abstraction is not art. Art is made up of it, however, the actual work of art means something. A landscape, trees. Math is a tool, but it's what you can do with it that's "art". Solve engineering problems for real-life, design buildings that will be built. That's beauty, not fantasizing over numbers.
@@GreenLeafUponTheSky Hello! Engineer here! Mathematicians are a really unique breed in the STEM community. They notoriously have a devotion to very abstract ideas that a lot of people can't really conceive of all that well. They are educated and practice critical and notably incredibly creative thinking extensively. Many mathematical proofs require extremely creative processes and use logic in order to make a statement. It would be hard to not call that at all artistic. We engineers couldn't do just about anything without the enormous amount of progress that mathematicians have made in making the world easier to describe.
Math is 100% art. Its humanities pooled knowledge accumulated over thousands of years, hundreds of generations. It's the greatest tool we humans have created to understand the universe and the concepts behind it. To think of it as anything but the finest price of art we humans have ever created is absurd.
@@GreenLeafUponTheSky Most maths is done solely because the mathematician finds it interesting, with no regard to practicality. Most maths will remain impractical forever.
What makes math art is not that it involves logic or virtuosity, it's that it's done because it's beautiful.
“Real mathematics must be justified as art if it can be justified at all” - G.H. Hardy
Comment sections have become so anti-intellectual. Every time I see a sentence starting with "bro thinks/is/has/..." I know I'm about to read the most complacently ignorant and uneducated opinion ever
I really think that most people on social media are tunnel visioned with what they think without finding out if their argument even has a ground to stand on! You're doing great work my dood
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Comment about "one style of anatomy" had me dead. Style? Of anatomy?? It's ANATOMY. It's how body is build. Yea everyone is a bit different, but that's the base, THE base. Man I'm kinda mad about it
i was like but there IS only one anatomy😭
bros first mistake was uploading something educational and helpful on instagram, a place very known for being a trollfest + uneducated folks acting educated on topics they know nothing about 💀💀💀
I started at 19, yet I failed art at school before 18. Now I'm 21 and I'm getting ready to paint in a renaissance style with oils. No one is born with a talent, and the people who claim so are simply too lazy and disinterested to pursue a hobby enough to become skilled in it
Im also 19 and started this year in may
As soon as i saw instagram comments i knew there was gonna be army of 12 year olds who never picked a pencil 😆
Your teachings are awesome i see my art improving already with trying to pay more attention to values and shapes, thanks :D
honestly I feel like a lot of those comments are probably written by older people who are more stuck on their biases, which makes it even more embarrassing 😭
@@bluefrogeor some anime digital artists who ironically always seem to kick off over little things like this as their "Influencer" has told them another way and therefore everyone else is wrong 😂
@@Mark-nh2hs Tbh i do anime digital art but these teachings are VITAL to doing good art, it literally uses the same principles, when i was a begginer i disregarded them and my art looked like shit, so i kinda get why they dont think it would apply to them
@@JostDraws I totally agree. Some of these principles are relatively new too me and defo going to try them out.
12 year olds are not allowed on Instagram, wdym 🤨
people probably think all realistic paintings are from the renaissance because they played assassins creed once growing up and think they seen everything
Imo second video was definitely not a miss on ur part. When I first saw it I knew exactly what u were trying to say, I think people just don't pay attention/like to be angry
big agree. though i suppose he should've accounted for the average tiktok watcher's ability to think critically
@@lumonetic1124 LOL yeah that's true smh
@@gayspiderman7140theres a lotta angry people online, its just up to you whether you give their comments any weight
Same. The first time I watched it it was clear what he meant. You'd have to be either stupid, tunnel visioned or plain angry to misinterpret that video.
it's an intelligence issue. some people don't understand nuance and some people have an ego on top of that which makes them blinded to any argument that might contradict their beliefs.
Id love to see more of jakes old art -- not just to make fun of him but it shows progress and is very comforting
same, every person has to start from somewhere
It may seem difficult at first, but everything is difficult at first, so there's nothing to make fun abt it
Same! There's something about old art that might make you chuckle but just because, hey, we've all been there and we might still be! It's always cool to know that the people who are skilled came from somewhere, the same somewhere most people go through!
9:27 please dont even hear statue pfps out at all just skip past them dont waste your breath they are leagues below you
just checked this guy's profile and he doesnt even draw or paint, hell he even uses AI and post them on his highlights
@@jackdandy3579 💀💀💀bruh not ai
Statue pfps always approach art like some high class Victorian, a cultist, or a cryptobro. Always with a prententious air though
They idolise philosophical greek figures weirdly and act like they know everything.
Why is this so true though😂😂
Trolls will be trolls. Just wonder, what the trolls the masters had in their day. 😂
probably the church
well... in the 18-19th century the academy
I despise the "artists are born" nonsense. No one says a mathematician or athlete is born---we all say that someone has the aptitude for those things. So why are artists "born" as if the skills we develop are some kind of esoteric mystery? A person can be born with natural talents that make learning the skills easier just like how mathematicians and athletes can have unique talents that make them excel in their fields, but nothing is stopping someone who doesn't have those unique talents to learn and become great in their chosen field. If you put your mind to something and input time, you can become great at it.
As someone who often sucks at things but still practices and tries to get good at them, I feel you. I think people just want excuses to justify themselves not wanting to put up work in order to improve. I've heard the same thing about athletes and mathematicians though. Like "I could never solve that, I've always been bad at math".
@@alvin_row Exactly. We need to approach with good-faith and attempt in ernest. If we don't, we have nothing---both nothing to show for and nothing to work towards. That is a sad existence, I think: To limit yourself and not even be willing to have the conversation.
People do say that tho? With sports, maths, science ect people do say "so and so are born" "natural born talent" "a great so and so is only born evert so and so"
I agree with you but saying people dont say it just isnt true
@@vaIentinerose But people also acknowledge their hard work. They say they’re talented but they also acknowledge the work these athletes and mathematicians put in. Art seems to exist in a place where all everyone sees a lot of the time is the talent.
Too bad people watching shorts don't have the attention span needed to watch this explanation
I have a principle that if they start a comment/critique with “Bro” it shouldn’t be given attention.
I don’t draw or paint but I am intrigued and enjoy your content on how you teach art.
bro has a principle
bro said bro has a principle aha
@@Multi-Waves_Music bro said bro said bro has a principle aha aha
Bro you are so right!
It's actually painful how much you have to defend yourself against people who lack basic text comprehension. Keep posting and doing what you are doing dude! You honestly inspire me so much to continue on my artist journey
It's even more painful when you know those people don't have the attention span to watch an explanation video
The one where people were angry with you is so funny to me. I watched it a while back and it made perfect sense to me. You have to be really confused or immediately pissed off not to understand that the painting is used as an example.
"Once math is calculated its not math anymore" 😂
Well it kinda make sense. I mean this sentence, not "once art..." and bs like that. Real math is barely even about numbers. Its beauty is about such an abstraction, that you forget that you can do calculations with it, and the whole journey, not just the calculated value.
I saw that short about the egg face or whatever and it was pretty easy to realize what you meant by "this doesn't make sense." some people are way too loyal to their kneejerk reactions
yes, especially after he drew the curved dotted line across the face. I'm sad people nowadays don't think twice about what they're hearing and trying to understand it. everyone just jumps to emotional conclusions and goes about their day
@@deligeorgieva8535I haven't seen this "egg face" but I imagine it's appeal is that it's easier for a beginner then learning the Loomis head method or another technique to draw realistically proportioned faces.
The confidence these guys have to write stuff like that down, thinking they just know it better is actually crazy
One thing people forget when it comes to old master techniques like layering and glazing: the results look wonderful, but the main idea was to use the cheap and widely available pigments as much as possible (black, white, earth colors) and use the pure, vivid colors (reds, yellows, blues) in a very economic amount - just because they were crazy expensive at that time and you would’ve need very rich patrons to even think about using them. So it is not THE WAY to achieve beautiful color, it’s the way to achieve it without spending all your income on colorful powders. These masters didn’t like to spend months on a painting, they had to. There is a reason that the affordable, synthetic pigments, the tube paints (vs grinding the pigment and preparing the paint yourself) were invented around the same time when the impressionists started the alla prima / en plein air movement. Before these inventions it just wasn’t practical and affordable.
Interesting point
I never thought about this but it make really sense
sometimes old isn’t better or practical but we can still use the helpful knowledge and techniques
What makes "Once art is calculated it's not art anymore" even more funny to me, is the fact that mathematics is literally classifed as an art
im so over with all these "gotcha" comments, great video!
i hate it when commenters try to pull a "gotcha" on you
11:42 i'd bet money this person doesn't actually like spontaneous art that's "not calculated", theres lots of stubborn people who don't want to admit art is learned and there's a process and thought behind it, like the other comment saying artists are born, just comes off very defeatist, as if they were trying to draw at some point and gave up, decided that it's a talent they just didn't have
I'd love to see a video about your art journey! Just hearing about what inspired you to pursue art, why you chose painting, and generally how you reached the skill level you are now
When i started going to art school, there was some sort of revelation in my head on how art works. There were a bunch of these different classes we went to, like painting, pencil-drawing, graphics, sculpture, etc. and every single teacher there had their own approach to visualising art. Before the art school itself I thought being good at art was being a part of some perfect artist hivemind on how art works, it really isn't. It's likely most of these old masters had their own individual approach, and finding that approach in yourself really helps you develop your own feel for art. That's why old master's paintings were pretty unique in terms of style (even in realism), but just as good in terms of proportions, look, etc. Copying art is one thing, learning the fundamentals and finding your own style is the approach you should take. A unique brush ain't going to affect your skill at all
Absolutely mind boggling progress, his first figure drawing and his most recent still has my jaw dropped
some people just can't imagine that others can be trying to learn new skills by studying the masters. the comments about being born an artist are so weird, basically anyone can study painting and anatomy! it might not always be easy, but that doesn't mean it's impossible
Now that im seeing it side by side, i think the moustache is a great addition to this channel
10:50 I've seen a comment call Napoleon a "medieval guy". And it had hundreds of likes.
Everyone knows Napoleon was a caveman 🙄
Your art explanations speak a lot to me. You really inspire me. Thanks for the vids, keep making em
The amount of likes on those moronic comments is painful.
I’m honestly thankful for the haters in a way for giving you the attention to make your videos more viral so I was able to come across them. Your videos are great and super helpful and inspirational! Thank you 🙏
Also these people don't understand that this isn't about the old masters and whatever, it's about teaching people who are not those old masters, so why would those without basics go straight to "the way how the old masters did it"
I love your voice and cadence and choice of details in these videos! Ive been a very lazy artist my whole life, good simple fundamental teaching like this makes me change how i see things. Course i may never be great at art, (im a game dev and programming is 10x the work as my art so dont hold your breathe i get any better lol) but at least i can hold onto the little things that make things nicer and a bit better slowly instead of complicating things for people who aren't trying to spend all day studying art theory. Itll never happen.
The comments absolutely infuriated me, good on you for being able to keep your composure and still thoroughly explain what you mean lol
Three things you can't avoid in life: Taxes, death, and being told you are wrong online 😂
One thing I really disliked about the tiktok at 13:15 is how you say that we've "lost" a mindset. Nothing has been lost, there are humans who can and are creating art to this standard today.
Just because it's no longer the dominant technique does not mean that it's been "lost"
Just stumbled upon you, you are soooo good, really opened my eyes to how to see the progress
I hate instagram art comments so much especially when it reaches to dunning kruger audiences who have never touched a pencil
It’s pretty much any insta comment, or any social media, being very knowledgeable on the few communities I’m in, I see so many really dumbass people try act like they know better. Best example of this was when someone tried to argue tome about the engine I have in my own car… an engine I put in there and built…. That’s how bad it is sometimes
Uhh dunning kruger is pretty bs, but i agree. It always "Erm actually... 🤓☝" like a fucking nerd, when maybe all they can do is draw a fish eyes
ig comments in general, it';s a buncha frustrated kids
You’re doing very informative work! Every now and then I see your shorts and it always helps me a lot. A lot of the comments are people who just don’t understand what you mean and take it out on you to feel better and to feel “right”. You’re doing great work man and don’t let others discourage you.
Thanks!
Really appreciate your effort to make academic art approachable!
"once art is calculated its not art anymore" I wish I could ask this person what they mean but I honestly don't think they would know either.
I think you are doing an amazing job with this shorts/videos; I've learned many things from you and am quite baffled at the thoughtless comments...
It's difficult to find such quality artists on youtube, hope you'll keep spreading your knowledge for a long time haha
9:50 We learn anatomy so when we break anatomical rules, we break them correctly
I swear when I heard something along the line of "Genius are born" my soul have another crack on it
6:25 I think you could've said something like "if I draw a straight line like this... this doesnt make sense-" for clarity
Responding to your moustache: wow
Did you ever go to art school or take any classes? I'm trying to figure out if it's possible for me to get the level of skill you have by simply using online resources. Also, thanks to you I'm finally beginning my oil painting journey. I've been wanting to oil paint for a while now, but the task seemed impossible, from the supplies, to how alien painting with oil paints sounded to me. But watching your videos really inspired me, and your beginner oil painting video came out at the perfect time. I've gotten most of the materials and I'm so excited to get started. Whenever I'm lacking motivation your videos always bring the excitement and inspiration back.
I only have about 2 months of in-person training. I studied entirely online. I'm teaching two basics classes online that start this weekend the link is in the description. I studied from Ramon Hurtado and Devin korwin primarily. They're coming on for a stream this weekend
@@JakeDontDraw Thanks for the info!
art wise, everything you need is online these days. it just depends on your understanding and how deep you are willing to go. i feel like i couldve learned everything i did in class, from just diving into art online. looking up tutorials -> trying myself -> using references -> learning the history -> etc. its all there but some people just cant do that. they dont know how or what to search and dont apply themselves and need a teacher to formulate the subject. but yes, you can 100% become insanely good with just youtube alone.
You do make art fun and approachable. I’ve always enjoyed the videos. Unfortunately, when it comes to art, I feel like there’s quite a few people who get a little too snooty about it because they appreciate it in a very specific way or they’ve spent a long time studying it and feel the unnecessary need to control how other people see it. Keep up the great videos man!
Even as a cartoon artist, I have studied older paintings for colour theory. Maybe not an in depth analysis, but older paintings have taught me a lot about lighting.
For these people, all the information goes in one ear and out the other, can't win over ignorance😵💫
Wow I really am glad I stumbled across your channel. Glad you are seeing success. You are a very well spoken, intelligent and thoughtful artist. Hearing that you started 5 years ago makes me incredibly jealous! I’ve always wanted to be able to do art and I never EVER had these concepts explained to me ( although I never did seek them out, I was always horribly impatient with my art and therefore never made anything good ).
I am going to take another stab at it.
you're so patient and answer their comments with kindness. i appreciate it. sometimes i think if it was me i would say something(very bad) in return and left the place cuz I don't have that patience to hear their nonsense. i wish the best for you \(^~^)/
I’d love a training montage of your sketchbooks/studies/tedious exercises with explanations of what resources you used!
Learning is such a process. Honestly so much gets lost in my brain when I see things broken down simply I don't really know why. I can copy lines kinda okay but anything else beyond that just becomes goblygoop.
the method you use is literally so goated, painting portraits became so much easier after using the simple to complex method
One thing I like about this channel is how it tackles art a bit more holistically, the tidbits of knowledge Jake shares meet lots of intellectual standards honestly lmao and it gives you something tangible to cling onto in the seemingly abstract art world
I'm enjoying you're short videos and how you expand what you do when painting. 😌
People on the internet never disappoint.
Echo chambers and jealousy. Keep on studying bro, love your work.
Blud mastered art in 5 years 🙏💀
I've been drawing since 12 probably. people said i was a natural and was born being an artist, i could learn to do portraits very easily and they turned out very well most of the time. but i never took time to learn the fundamentals and actually study, instead of following my instincts. when i tried drawing figures or different isolated body parts i suddenly stopped making progress, i could never draw anything right like in the reference. i got frustrated and stopped drawing.
now at 21 i found your videos and shorts. they make stuff easier for me to understand and have changed my prespective quite a bit. I'm getting into art again and this time, I'm going to actually study for it and practice. my mindset now is more about the learning, not the outcome, which for me has never been a way to think about anything, really.
so i thank you for this video and for every video you do, because they're a delight to watch and cozy to paint while watching
"it's not real art" and they are the ones saying modern art is bullshit 💀
This is awesome! I was hoping for this exact video to come out!
5:13 I started in 2019 too I’m gonna cry I still suck😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
You don't have to be good to create! Talent is a lie, art is about understanding! You'll make it
Some people complain, just to read it back to themselves and feel superior. Idiots. You do an amazing job. Forget about those loser trolls ❤
those silk dresses are so beautiful
I bet that 90% of the comments dont ever even pick up a pencil
It's kinda crazy how many people seem to forget that learning the basics is necessary before you start bending the rules. It's nothing against people with different face shapes or body types.
Honestly there is not a single sane person on Instagram comments...and I bet most of them who commented don't even have a basic fundamental understanding of art
14:11 literally every digital artist say: flip your canvas, zoom out, don't focus on details. Look at Marco Bucci, he uses traditional art to enhance his digital art
i had a great art teacher my senior year of high school who basically taught a lot of what you teach in your shorts (elements of art specifically, also the principles of design), and I was shocked to see so many comments talking about how their art teachers had never taught them stuff like that. I'm glad that you're out here helping so many learn.
This video is so frustrating… people that don’t know what they’re talking about acting like they’re so smart, when they’re completely off the mark. Especially the digital art vs canvas guy 😢
Bro is our modern Bob Ross, giving us all the tips and tricks and I'm here for ittt!
thank you jake
You are a god send Jake. You are definitely on track here. Love your teaching style.
19:00
I used acrylics, oil paints etc at art college but we were never actually taught any technique whatsoever, just given an assignment, told someone art history and left to our own devices. We allow never ever saw our teachers pick up a pencil or brush themselves
I know you dislike digital art but when I became homeless and lost all my canvasses, paints, pastels etc I started over with a refurbished iPad Pro
I decided to use FreshPaint, no special brushes and work all on one layer treating it like I would traditional paint. I think I really started to understand the business of painting vs drawing in my iPad era
I appreciate the validation because that there on screen is exactly how I start my paintings and never knew this was considered a correct or acceptable way or doing things
"renaissance artist" had me DYING LMAO
You do a fantastic job in explaining and teaching!
Ive only watched 3 of your videos, including this one, and i feel like im slightly better than i was before. I realise that i actually like doing art now, and its not as stressfull and painful. I actually like the outcomes now. Thanks man 🤝
Reading Head and Hands by Andrew Loomis right now and he exactly states that last thing. When it comes to rendering and technique he gives examples on how it can be done but writes very clearly, that his goal is only to provide the underlying knowledge, so that the artist understands the problem at hand. The solution to that problem is best found on your own, for that is what makes your art unique.
just to drive home how much more important practice is than "natural talent": i know of people with actual cognitive deficiencies, including in their visual processing, who are far better artists than the average person who has never practiced art.
Talent is just a convenient excuse for lazy bums. "I don't have the talent, therefore I won't even bother trying to learn". It gets on my nerves. Even more so when people praise my works but they say "oh you're so talented". No I'm not, I spent the last 2 years slowly practicing drawing at my own pace, and I need 20 hours to finish something that would take a professional maybe 5. I'm grinding. It takes a lot of time and effort. I'm not gifted. You just gotta push through.
Just admit you're lazy, there's no talent, there's only ability. If you have two working hands, and your eyes and brain are working fine, and you have no movement-impairing chronic illnesses or something, that's all you need, you're able to draw, that's your "ability, your "talent".
3000 people liked a comment that said "you're born knowing how to draw, you cant teach it"
I actually suscribed to your channel from watching that short, I thought it was quite insightful and loved your tips
NOW THAT YOUVE MENTIONED RENAISSANCE, do you have any youtubers that DO talk about renaissance art to recommend? Specif/especially botticelli's pieces
I went to a Graphic Design School and had a lot of Art classes but after school I quit drawing and painting because I was only designing and I also felt more and more that the postmodern conceptional and abstract approach would not fit me. Now I am - thanks to creators like you - really hooked on learning the whole thing from scratch starting with anatomy, rendering, observing and learning the technique first. I think even if someone want to do abstract art he/she should start by learning the basics and the rules (and may break them afterwards). Many other artists my age just want to bee seen in a postmodern art world, wich seems like there is no right or wrong on first sight. So they just start with a concept or aa message, wich is ok, but learning the basics is a hard and long process I think every artist should try before they make art.
your videos made me get back into fundamentals and i'm having so much fun!!
You see, his mistake was paying attention to text boxes on the internet. Instagram and TikTok of all places.
Could you also teach us how to be more articulate? Your explanations are very clear and easy to follow XD no kidding
Instagram reels comments are such a vile place its best not to read them
Absolutely right. Art is 90% practice and maybe 10 up to 20% talent.
Kim Jung Gi drew everything with a cheap $2 brush pen, but every demo he did the first question was “what pen do you use?” And it drove him nuts. To paraphrase “the brush I use is drawing every day for 30 years- please stop asking that”
so entertaining watching you obliterate those comments, also fantastic stache you have earned a follower