Mercedes SLS AMG Black vs Porsche 997 GT2 RS | evo TRACK BATTLE
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
- Jethro tests one of the 2013 evo car of the year stars, the SLS Black against a tough competitor the GT2 RS. Who will win?
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The gt2 rs is one of the last Darwinian cars. It is trying to kill bad drivers at every connor. One more reason why it will be a future classic.
I wish more bad drivers will buy it honestly.
LOL PLUS one comment
+djweetos Sort of makes you wish it was more affordable.
Wow that was a horrible malevolent joke. But I will post it anyway and regret it later as a cry myself to sleep marinating in my guilt.
Damn right!!
I actually love the SLS so much, but the AMG black is something else. God I would love to own one
GT2RS WILL go down in history as the baddest old school 911 ever made. If you have the $$$ buy one and watch the values climb into the stratosphere..
Yep, the last of a dying breed. Guaranteed future classic along with 997 GT3 4.0
How is the 997 old school?
+Ryan Shultz manual clutch.
997 Is the last of the 911s before VW has taken over. And thus it's the last Porsche actually built by Porsche without compromise. It's the last of the purebred.
A 1973 Carrera RS will always be worth more than the GT2 RS because it is a true classic, but the GT2 RS will also become very expensive.
You know the GT2 RS is something special when even 2 years after its production it's still being included in modern track battles.
That Merc has got to be one of the best sounding cars I've heard in a long time...
5:58 searching for that paddle, eh?... ))))
Hahaha look at 5:58 where Jethro tries to downshift 😂
Baddest car on earth the 911 GT 2 RS. I just love this car so much! I'd take it over any car!
This just shows that manual 911 is a very fast car in the right hands. Porsche should be the last car to give up their manual especially on a gt3. Truth is, I can't blame the business too much, its really the customer that decided.
perhaps the RS will have it again?
Torrey B Don't count on it. The GT3 did not, and all across the board, the supercar makers have stopped using them. You can't get a single supercar with a manual. There's only a handful of sports cars that has it and some of the budget high power cars, but no cars in the class of cars like the Porsche GT's, Fezza's ect.
ABOlsen69666 Audi R8 GT still offers one.. that's it i think
Torrey B It's doubtful because unless it had significantly more power it would be slower and they can't have the RS be slower across the ground than the regular GT3.
CFL GT3 has it again :)
I say next challenge should be NOBLE M600 vs GT2 RS. The Noble cars are seriously underrated. They are probably the best bang-for-your-buck supercars available and offer the most pure driving experience. We're talking about a car that has about 650 HP and no ABS lol.
I love Noble but its 300,000£. Both sls black and gt2 rs cost around 250,000$-ish. Difference is too big :/
Dorifto Kingu! well they simply asked for a new challenge so I stated my opinion. Even a regular noble M12 would be a great comparison or an Ascari KZ1. Those are some fine rare cars that people just don't care about and it makes me sad.
nobles cant handle a apex like a porsche
taylor wagneers Why don't you read up more about Nobles. Nobles are also much more exclusive than any Porsche out there and they are built to perfection by a handful of car enthusiasts. Check out some reviews of the Noble M15 and M12 or any other cars and you might see the light that a lot of cars (whether more expensive or less) can take an apex better or just as good as a Porsche.
***** Finally, someone who speaks the truth from actual research and understanding. Kids with their car brands nowadays !!
I love these head to head videos! Please keep them coming!
Lightness, torque, traction, beautiful front end and huge brakes, a quick resume from the GT2 RS......the Beast!
He's a cool guy this Jethro, wish he would do more videos.
Agreed
More over the shoulder camera views please.
Bring back the manuals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why? The dual-clutch is better.
TheScarecrow Heavier, not s engaging, not better at all. I only imagine, that these paddle shift gearboxes were meant for people, who only drive automatic or people, who are just so keen to drive on tracks like F1 drivers. Faster - yes, much faster. Better - no.
TheScarecrow but a manual is more involuting so you could say that a manual is better for putting a mile on your face but for eking out that every last tenth of a second in a race go for you dual-clutch but how often to we race in life not often
Andy ingram Yes. I would say, I don't need any other gearbox in my life, since I don't drive pickups, vans, limos or other big cars, which are nice with auto. I would like to have my f-type, 458, maserati with manual gearbox, because it is just better. But what do we have here - cars, that have these stupid heavy gearboxes are slower than porsche with manual. I know - it doesn't mean a lot, but this image, of a racer with paddles ruined sportscars. Even 4c have paddle shift gearbox - why?
TheScarecrow Sadly, this is an opinion of vast majority of today customers ... They are lazy, they don´t know how to drive manual (there is actually proof on the internet about this), and they want those superhypercars to be everyday-usable and driveable even for they blonde young wifes ... And - auto-makers need to have numbers, sellings and LOTS of money to keep them alive .... It is just one of those circles that you cannot get away from. Sadly, they listen... Sadly - numbers are playing the main role. Numbers are killing emotions. Numbers are killing the definitions of old-school driving ... New cars are more comfortable, bigger, better fuel consumption, maybe cleaner (don´t think so) and useable for everyone. Comparing old to new on numbers - old 35/100 - new 80/100 ... But those are just numbers...
I´m done here and I´m gonna take my 18 y/o Suzuki Baleno to mountains, don´t care that I did not reach 100 between corners ... I just know, that I have to be precise with every heel-n-toe and downshift and braking and non-sharp steering. I just know that it will made my day everyday, just because I will beat it to death, even if I will be slow... I´ll sweat all over, hear many things from the car all over and also get some info what is my car actually doing (or trying to do).
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two amazing cars, I expected the GT2 RS to be faster but I just love how that SLS BS looks and sounds like !!
Nice, my two absolute dream cars. Both are stunning for different reasons. Thanks for the test.
Gt2 RS vs Ferrari 458 Speciale
I was thinking the same thing, bring it on!
How about a GTR Nismo as well? Or Corvette Z06
VirusTornado You dont bring a sheep vs a wolf
VirusTornado I would have to assume they don't have access to those cars yet.
Ayoub AL-awadhi Well I am a wolf and I find that offensive...
I can tell from the steering wheel of GT2 RS that its owned by a proper driver who drives it like its his/her only car good on you. 👍👍
+Ayrton Atif It's Porsche UK's test unit. Has been used several times, most notably during a test with Jason Plato in Fifth Gear and Chris Harris on one of Evo's older video about turbocharging and supercars.
Over the shoulder camera in the Porsche is the way to go for these track battles.
I'd like to see Mclaren 650s as the challenger to the Porsche.
where could I see the full time table of your tests in this track?
Every time I see a gullwing SLS of in any of it's incarnations, I always sigh a little about the next gen SLS-type GT car is going to have the same basic shape, but no gullwing doors. When/if I decide to get myself an SLS gullwing, I'm gonna have to try to find a certified pre-owned one in the exact spec that I want it :(
Darn, euro-side impact regs. The gullwing cars have explosive bolts allowing for an easy egress from an SLS gulling that's landed on it's roof, so it's down to side-impact regs killing off the gullwing doors that made the SLS a near perfect modern-day homage to the 300SL gullwing Mercedes of the '50s.
But I really can't imagine Mercedes not being able to pass side-impact regs because of the gullwing doors while cars like Lambos, McLarens, and Koenigseggs being able to with their non-conventional ways of having their doors open. If something is lacking with the side-protection of the gullwing doors, it seems like it would be an easy fix for Mercedes. Unless of course, like I suspect, Mercedes are going to stop with the gullwing doors to keep those model years rare. Who knows?
But at least the ones that were made were actually made and sold. I'm sure if I decide to when the time is right, I'll be able to find a certified pre-owned example of an SLS in the color combo and spec that I want mine to be. Maybe even a super low mileage one. But I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.
But again, thank you to Mercedes for giving us these years of SLSs with gullwing doors that are near perfect modern-day interpretations of what the Mercedes 300SL gullwing cars of the '50s were.
And what Mercedes really needs to do alongside of the all-electric SLSs that they're making is create a hyrbrid-hypercar to join the club that the McLaren P1, the Porsche 918, and Ferrari LaFerrari belong to. That would be a sight. Something hypercar-ish like the Mercedes McLaren SLR, but hybrid like those cars I mentioned. Again, that would be something.
I'd love to see a SLS vs SLR comparison
The SLS would blow it out of the water without a doubt
The SLR is way too soft I'd think. The SLR 722 will most likely run with the SLS Black, but the "normal" SLR won't. But look at the age gap between them, the SLR is still fast for what it is.
The stock SLS vs. the stock SLR? The stock SLS is ridiculously tail happy, so that would actually be very interesting. The SLR might surprise.
AeonSXChannel On the Top Gear test track the SLS Cabriolet was 1 second faster than the normal SLR.But I think the most interesting thing is the fact that Mercedes AMG GT-S is 2 seconds faster than the SLS Cab !
AeonSXChannel The SLR is quicker than the SLS in a straight line
It doesn't make any sense how a big AMG muscle car can go around a track like that. I love Porsche, but an AMG Merc has a serious bad ass factor about it. It even sounds badass if you say oh I drive an AMG Mercedes. I can't explain it. It takes all the air out of the room or something. It makes such a statement.
+Vizenz121 It takes all the air out the room? lol dude. Also, this isn't some random AMG kit. It's a Black-Series AMG. The Black Series differs considerably compared to the "regular" SLS. Many testers felt the regular SLS was more of a muscle car, and it is. The Black Series was completely reengineered and re-tweaked to deliver track prowess. Irregardless, it simply can't match the GT2RS's sheer excitement.
VirusTornado I feel like the SLS Black is still a muscle car. It's too muscular and upright for a sports car I think. The Black Series is still the same car, just with a higher redline and multiple performance differences to make it handle better. In terms of sheer excitement, that's an opinion. Different customer bases. The SLS in general though really has an impact on me that the Porsche doesn't. I hate saying that because I love Porsche but when you start up an AMG Mercedes V8 or 12 it makes your eyes water man. It's incredible. It's like an event. It's got an old grunt or something about it. It's a beautifully orchestrated performance right up in you're face. No other car has that effect on me. It's also a lifestyle in a way to. You're able to see things from a different perspective because of the impact it has on your face or something. I can't explain it. It feels as if you are power drunk until the minute the car shuts off. The Porsche is brilliant in a totally different way though. It's like a smart lifestyle you know? It makes a lot of sense etc.
***** The SLS Black drives nothing like the regulae model, just keep that in mind. Legit question though, do you actually drive?
VirusTornado I know it drives different vs the regular model and the power delivery is different but other than that it's very similar. You'd be surprised how much a suspension tune can make. I know it's also got a carbon fiber prop shaft and other things but it's still a muscle car to my eyes, the changes don't take away the fact it's an AMG Mercedes lol. And yes I've been driving for quite a while. I'm a grown 6 foot 4 man who works 40+ hours a week and commutes to work jus like everyone else. I'm by no means a spring chicken lol.
The black is very different to normal SLS, the balance and performance is superb.
this GT2 RS sounds pretty good for being ferociously turbocharged :D
It's going to be scary the 991 GT2 RS.
+Kevin Brun I don't know where you get this information from but the GT2 series, including the GTRS IS coming back, a quick Google search will tell you that. Unfortunately it will be towards the end of this gen 911 but nonetheless it's coming :D
+Jamie Lingard I really hope you're correct!
+MrYoumitube I think if porsche make 991 gt2 or more hardcore gt2 rs,gt2 rs will be faster than 918 spyder and maybe than dodge viper acr on all track.It my opinion.What you think people? :D
Pipi BL how in the name of god could a, let's say, 650hp car be faster than a 900hp one?
+Nik Brudar you've got to remember the 918 is a pig. The GT2 and especially the RS will be much, much lighter while still having a very powerful engine as you said probably 650hp. It will get a lot of the new Porsche technologies to like All Wheel Steering. A lot of cars are only a second or so behind the 918 on some tracks/tests so it's very possible.
McLaren 650S vs Ferrari 458 Speciale vs Porsche 991 GT2 RS
991 GT2 RS? so wait another few years?
Lars Hafner Why not?
All that crap about manual gearboxes not allowing a car to be fast enough! They say a 458 would not be any good with a manual. Why not? The 991 GT3 should have had a manual!
Please test the Murcielargo SV! That is one hell of a car :)
The best video I've seen in months and I see plenty, what a mega test!! We need more of this old vs new cars, THANK YOU!
P1 vs 918 Spyder!
That would be sick
Bugatti superveyron head to head vs Agera one:1
ROCKETGUNS BOOMBS The Super Veyron soes not and will never exist. It was a false rumor. And if Bugatti had a project of the sort, they would most likely just cheat again. They don't even have the sportsmanship to let Keonigsegg run on Ehra Lessien.
The Agera is the real deal. Go Koenigsegg.
ABOlsen69666 Totally agree, Bugatti should go build trucks.
ABOlsen69666 Cheat again? What do you mean by cheating, they owned the Ehra-Lessien circuit so it is up to them to authorise who should use their facilities.
What about a track test with the 458 Speciale?
No matters against what, I'd just like to see it
GT2 RS for sure.
You can hear that thing ripping through the revs. You can even hear it's fast.
It sounds like the engine wants to rip away from everything else!
Maybe the 2015 Corvette Z06 can beat the RS time? Only time will tell!
I'd like to see the Noble M600 have a go at the title, that thing is an animal and is bare bones just like the GT2RS is.
Finally! A proper driver to do the track battle. I hope Jethro does ALL upcoming track battles.
The P1 and the LaFerrari Jethro ;)
I guess "There is no substitute" for 911, manual gearbox and flat6
The sound of the black series is absolutely wonderful :o also white suits it very well
Challenger for the GT2 RS? ...Maybe a track day special, like the Caterham R500 or R620?
What a lovely review, Jethro. I felt as if I was with you in the GT2 RS. What a machine! Keep up the good work, and hope to see more from you soon. Cheers
GT2 is the definition of point n shoot. Stand on the brakes into the apex, flick the wheel, jam the gas and let the frog squat and leap its way out of the corner. I love them in Forza... they have the traction of 4WD cars with none of the understeer
And that is why is Forza a bit bullshiting about physics ... GT2 RS surely has a lots of grip ... But not NEAR 4WD cars ... Precision on the throttle is the key ... when the turbo spoils out, tyres just give up :-P ... but fuck it forza is just wannabe console simulation :-D
nonickname100
Oh yea if you ham fist it it will do crazy things but Porsches are the rare RWD cars in that game I can have 500-600 HP on and drive fast without TC. Yea its a wannabe console simulation but it's not all bad.
lol muppets
my two absolute favorite cars, they are both absolutely sick
that over-the-shoulder camera view is amazing. Use that more please!
Thank you EVO for letting me drool the whole Video, great job, entertainment from another world!!
Wouldnt mind either one of these in my garage. Loving these head-to-head shootouts, keep em coming!
Great driver, and fantastic cars, both of them are just amazing :)
I love this guy xD, just talking while barely killing himself heheh nice reviews!!
The 991 GT2 RS was just revealed with Xbox X. I had to revisit these old 997 GT2 RS videos to remind myself what a monster of a car it was.
Mclaren 650S maybe as its next rival?
That's probably the only thing that would beat it without emotor assistance
Yeah, or actually the nismo GTR might do the trick :)
+J.C VenomDrifter maybe for a single lap or two, but on a regular race, the Porsche will win. the nismo gtr have problems with overheating, and at 3800 lbs will lose badly.
I would love to see Old vs New models of the same car.
Like F80 M3 vs E92 M3 or E46 M3, Golf V R32 vs Golf VII R or even somthing like current GTI vs E39 M5 or E46 M3. It would be very interesting to see how much faster current cars are compared to older models.
By far the best track battle yet. Thank you.
Toyota Prius vs SLS Electric Drive
Sls will surely win lol
Very nice over the shoulder camera shot, first video I ever seen with it....
Wow.... Im watching the horizon in the window sham and it BARELY rises and drops even when you can tell he goes from one turn into another.
I'd love to see the entire over the shoulder footage uploaded as a separate video.
I'd also love to see an oldschool hot hatch battle. Say 205Gti v Golf Gti v Williams Clio
991 GT3 vs 458 Italia....for the future 991 GT3 RS vs 458 Speciale !
That GT2 is business, I can't wait to see the 991 GT2, and again a EVO track battle
I also think it would be a interesting to see the SLS Black against another hardcore front engined supercar. Something like a 599 GTO.
what a video. jethro you drive at hero level
he's awesome, right besides Harris
+Nik Brudar jethro may be the better driver
zhbroder I don't think so .. I'd love to see them race each other!
zhbroder I'd love to see them battle it out, I'm not sure who'd win
I'd love to see an Evo 9 FQ360 v.s the A45 AMG battle. Evo can you do that?
ONE OF THE BEST EVO VIDEOS EVER. Keep it up guys
two gorgeous cars that anyone would be proud to have in there garage..i love them both..thanks EVO.
When the boost kicks in on the GT2 RS the car just jumps and runs, it's uncanny. I love it.
I prefer the Mercedes because it's more then fast enough and much better looking then the Porsche is too.
Recipe for the best supercar: RWD, 6 speed MANUAL, no traction control, no computers, no stability control, NO LAUNCH CONTROL and any other driver aids. GT2RS any day over an SLS black or a 458 speciale.
you my friend need the Noble M600
Gotta love evo videos...quality is up there with the best
The Camaro Z28. Dont laugh till you watch motortrends review. It beat a GTR track edition.
I want to see that car on a UK track for comparison, too. It's amazing value and seems to do the business end of going fast exceptionally well.
***** you know i get angry on that marketing stuff they make tricks all the time with tyres as you sad and you dont know did they tune it for track (suspension set up ) so in us they will make it faster than any car they want ... but the truth is that cammor is heavy and cant last whole day at the track ..
***** The GT-R had pretty sticky tires on it as well. I think they were Dunlop Sport MAXX or something like that.
idh0530 Trofeo R's that the Z28 is about as sticky as a road tire can get before it become illegal. Add that to the fact that it has 305 section FRONT tires, and you have a ridiculous car with supposed "engineering".
ewt415 Well, the tires are developed along side the car, so yes, it would be considered engineering.
Wow! What a fantastic track battle. Gosh there has been so much in the press about how fantastic and effective the new GT3 is but i think this was a good refresher of just how brilliant the 997 GT cars were and continue to be. And Amen it's MANUAL!
smiled all the way through that video.....those two cars were insane.
Probably the two best cars you could ever drive seriously hard in. Ace video!
620 hp with manual gearbox is just fucking hilarious!! Love the Porsche GT2 RS
Great driving there and great video . So much fun watching it .
Another great video guys. I'd really love to see some of the more rare super cars battle it out. Like the Spano Gta, Ascari, spyker c8, SSC ultimate aero, Brokernet Silver Sting. Maybe against an M600 or something.
Coming back to this video 9 years later is bittersweet. The 997 GT2RS is a true gladiator of a car, the latest stuff isn't anywhere near as charismatic
FUCK double clutches!!! MANUAL WINS!!!
lol i couldn't believe when the gt2 won. I was like cheering for the "OLD SKOOL SUPERCAR" moniker and was happy to know that pure driver's cars are faster and most importantly, more exciting to drive.
Well, apart from the fact they are objectively worse in every way. But hey, if you like the feeling of sliding a gear stick around, more power to you.
TheFlyingPineapple Just gotta know how to properly operate a manual transmission as well as drive a car with little to no-assist's at all. I drive my e46 M3 6MT everyday in heavy East Toronto traffic and have 0 problems. People just complain too much as a result of laziness or lack of skill. We aren't talking about money-shifting a race car here. But hey, if you like flicking paddles or jolting an auto-stick back and forth, more power to you.
647killa Oh, I know a manual is perfectly usable in every day life, as well as on a track. And perhaps my last comment came across as a bit snide, but I completely understand why some people prefer to use a manual box. All I was trying to say is that, objectively speaking, one of Porsche's PDK boxes or similar is going to be better on a track, in relation to change time and precision.
TheFlyingPineapple Sorry for the misunderstanding. To each his own at the end of the day. I simply prefer the manual on a track as well and if i could afford it, i'd build a proper sequential gearbox with a clutch pedal for some real PDK-speed manual shifting.
what a superb track battle. MORE
Jethro is a badass driver! Does he have a racing background?
Amazing these 2 both beat a standard Mclaren Jethro!
Me thinks them Michelin SC tyres are the absolute business
That AMG's 6.2 V8 is one of the greatests engines!! What an incredible sound!!
Just watched this again since 2014. Though I like my Porsches normally aspirated...this GT2 RS once again defines "There is no Substitute " .
I really like Jethro's videos and I like how he conveys his passion. However, it would be good if he could use some other adjectives other than "just so...". But minor details, awesome videos.
Great Vid! Nice driving and talking, and die Video really captures the vast speed of those cars!
I'd still take the SLS in a heartbeat!
Awesome vid. Jethro is doing a great job with these.
If you could get the Huracan sometime soon... you should put it up against the 650S.... I say it be a good battle..
Noble M600 Vs 911 GT2RS
Magnificent battle in this video, congratulations Evo!!!
you're the only person that came up with a worthy challenger. Touche
Well, thank you, I hope EVO takes it into consideration though ;)
The GT2RS have a lighter front end with the correct suspension position, the engine is at the rear, and the frame sit at the middle rear. The weight distribute and chassis setting is for balance, the wheelbase is close for some slight amount of understeer to aid steering respond. The SLS aren't there yet, the wheelbase is long enough for handle understeer but the E-diff haven't have the reaction to handle stability. The engine placed at the front, for extra weight, however, it placed behind the front axle to avoid push. However, the frame sitting close to the rear and make it drive though a corner like a touring car, once you lose traction, massive oversteer would happen.
458 speciale vs gt2rs amazing challenge
Nice work, best Jethro vid yet!
I'd love to see it versus a Viper TA, or continuing with the theme of out of production "old" cars, maybe a last gen Viper ACR which has held some track records for a surprisingly long time.
They won't cause it means they would have to admit to having been beat by an American car. The T/A is insane and the ACR is just a monster.
great video, jethro! what a statement by the gt2rs, what a laptime!!
458 Speciale vs. McLaren 650s
Let see if they can beat the gt2 rs.
GT2/ RS perfect everyday weapon !
how about Mclaren F1 vs. Ferrari Enzo for the next Evo track battle? Pleaseeeee
Great battle! - More cams from behind the seat please.
Noble M600, 991 GT3, Ferrari 435 Speciale, GTR Nismo.
A challenger for the gt2 rs? How about the gt-r nismo, the mclaren 650s or the ferrari 458 speciale?
How about a C6 ZR1? Those two deserve more comparisons since they are so similar on the specs. I've only seen a drag race between the two from a japanese mag or something.
Track battle idea :
Porsche 997 GT3 RS 3.8 vs 997 GT3 RS 4.0
Should be interesting