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These Smart Light Switches Are Modular!?
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- Опубліковано 28 лют 2022
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Shelly has launched their brand new smart home wall switches and they are unlike so many others that I have seen before as they have a much more modular approach to how they work by being able to mix and match different configurations to suit your specific needs. In this video, we take a look at them, how easy they are to install, their features and arguably most importantly, are they any good?
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This such an awesome idea! I love what Shelly is doing. I wish other companies offered more options for making these switches in our homes smart without having to buy a new switch.
In some countries, switches are usually installed vertically aligned but closer together (sockets are installed horizontally).
The Shelly faceplate, however, is designed for horizontal alignment and spacing, meaning they won't fit a vertical install.
So you may need to remove the backboxes and either re-install them horizontally, or keep the horizontal spacing but then vertically.
In Germany the spacing is the same vertically and horizontally, so only one face plate is needed for both.
But would probably be good to offer several spacing configuration
Would love if they made a US version of the switch. Not sure how easy that would be with the smaller boxes.
Agreed. Something like this for the US market would really be nice.
Phew! After watching several videos on the Shelly wall switches, I can rely on my friend at Everything Smart Home. Now, at last, I have the information I needed (and thought would be obvious to talk about...).
The feel of the physical switches!
Thanks mate, for helping greatly in making my smart home smarter with the right stuff👍
I'm still not convinced tho, your honest review of the physical feel makes me doubt it. I probably will buy just one and give it a proper test in the kitchen for a while before going all in.
I do love the few Shellys I have, they are very DIY friendly with the ability to go local out of the box.
I was all about to go down this route until the not so impressive buttons, frame and small bracket came along. Hopefully they will make it a bit more suitable for the UK market and give more options for the buttons and frames.
That is so cool but unfortunately they are still wifi. I really hope Shelly decide to make some ZigBee devices one day
Hope so one day!
I like the WiFi. The zigbee is not very convenient when you have monolith house. The walls jams the signal and it becomes unreliable. I don’t have same issue with WiFi
I prefer wifi as well. Its one standard companies haven’t messed up yet. Worst comes I will have multiple Access points.
I'd love a thread variant. Surely there's no need for the bandwidth provided by Wi-Fi... that and the fact that many domestic routers don't support large numbers of devices.
Shelly is absolute my favourite smart home brand, i retrofit a lot of lights with shelly relé and nothing is visible but the lights has classic old style swith and smart features aat the same time!
Glad you like them!
Love these. Didn't know they existed. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for watching! 🙌
I am really looking forward to seeing a shelly power socket to fit these smart switches. I am using Sockets and switches manufactured by "Busch Jäger". Would be nice to fit these in the existing lineup.
Like a smart plug you mean?
@@EverythingSmartHome some sort of complete lineup. So you can have switches with the matching sockets all under one cover. Some sort of switch and socket combi (I don't know if this kind of thing is not a thing outside of Germany)
The only switches in the "smart" area I could find that can be integrated with such designs are the "Friends of Hue" switches (Zigbee).
They are expensive and I would only be willing to pay that price if they worked with Thread and Matter.
It's good to be a Patreon, I ordered them yesterday and some were already out of stock. I am especially interested in the mechanical qualities of these switches. I want something that just works and I don't have a look where I press a button. Let's see how they look and perform in real life. Because lets not forget: We can also use any other switch with the relays.
I bought a ton of these. One killer feature is that the switches themselves take no space from the backbox so shallow backboxes can now have a Shelly, whereas that wasn't always the case before.
Also whilst the button compatibility is listed on the website, it's more a guide as any relay can work with any switch. Examples I have are
1 button working with a Shelly 2.5 (the button controlling a bathroom light. When the light is turned off, home assistant will turn on the other circuit to activate the extractor fan).
4 button working with a dimmer 2 and Shelly 2.5. 2 of the buttons setup to work with the dimmer and the other 2 to work with the Shelly 2.5
I think you're right with the button quality. for me it stands out on the 1 button the most.
The size of the switches vs the backboxes I will imagine is probably down to them being of EU standard and we're just about making them work here. I ended up just getting some ready made plaster to fill the gap around the backbox so it looked much better.
The frames are just standard EU sized frames and don't need to be purchased from Shelly. You can go elsewhere (Screwfix did have some similar on offer for around 80p when I last checked).
Thanks for the info - useful!
Could you please link to the screw fix wall frame?
If the backbox is too big, you could get some "renovation" screws.
They look like some sort of spring which spreads when you screw the faceplate down. This then grips the top and bottom of the backbox, keeping everything tight. Since you install them inside the backbox, the screws are a bit closer together, which may make the plate fit just right.
Hm
Unfortunately, I've missed this video when I was building the house - might have had saved quite a lot of money as the Shelly switch is far cheaper than the one installed here. And more versatile, of course - so now I have expensive switches with 18 shellies underneath them.
They will probably look and feel much better than the Shellys even though the Shellys seem to offer good bang for the buck.
I ordered one for my sons room a number of months ago, as the back box is really slim and I'm hoping that it fits without a spacer (not got round to fitting it yet).
Great review as always, It never occurred to me that I could use it to turn my son's LED light on as well as his main light (with a double click), thanks for that.
After looking at those things a little more I found one issue which makes them IMHO almost useless. It seems the cover plate can't be removed anymore from the front side of the switching element once it's pressed on that switch. The way I see it: Put the switching element with Shelly in the wall box. Screw it into the box. And then clip on the cover plate. So far fine. Except there seems to be no way to remove the cover plate again once it is pressed onto the switch. It can be removed from the back side of the switch. But in a real installation that back side is mounted to the wall. It seems impossible to remove the cover plate once it is on the wall installed switch. That means it's impossible to remove the switch. So it is impossible to do any maintenance, measurements, whatever. Maybe @Everything Smart Home you can confirm this. In theory it could be that I miss something but I don't think so.
Thats true, i found noway to remove it again. Even if you try it to bruteforce u might have luck and it doesnt break, but gl with the tripple frame.
They should replace all their mechanical switches with inexpensive displays. This makes everything a lot simpler and adding a lot more modular functions onto their displays
Switches should be proper switches, not goofy screens.
Thanks for showing this in detail. Loved the video. I'm still looking for a solution for the dumb wall switches to work with my hue lamps, so this is definitely a step in the right direction.
Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it!
Good video, I really like the Shelly range of devices because they include a programming header to the onboard ESP8266 modules! A great balance between their own firmware and the ability to flash custom firmware (Tasmota, ESPHome etc)
Thanks!
@@EverythingSmartHome the new range of buttons are ESP32 chips btw, they're still flash-able
They have been for a little while, it's what provides the Bluetooth 😅
Nice video, and an interesting product. I'm looking at this and thinking that you could relatively easily model and print a replacement frame that's more to your style. All in all, I like it, but I wish it was Zigbee.
EDIT: I do have to salute the ingenuity of the system to hold the relays in place. That's pretty clever.
Agree, 3D prints should definitely be possible!
My thoughts exactly, something like that for Zigbee would be great
It looks as if the frame comes in two parts, the rear of the frame and the faceplate, so I wonder if you could just 3D print a new rear section and attach the faceplate to it?
It would be handy if they had a version with an LED tell tale, use a Shelly Plus i4 or similar and a one button switch to replace the immersion heater physical switch, driving a Shelly EM + contactor wired to the immersion heater itself. Something the Luddites in the family can then visually check / press when they want to turn on the immersion heater rather than get them to use Home Assistant directly!
I'd love to have these but all boxes in my walls are about half inch deep while the shelly devices are about 1 inch thick. I wish shelly had a version of these frames that would be thicker on the outside but would allow me to house the relays in the shallow box. Any idea what could I do? I live in the UK and am pretty sure I'm not the only person who has this issue. Digging into the walls to house deeper boxes doesn't feels like a good option.
Lack of zigbee aside, the shellys are great. Using them with click minigrid switches, cheap, lots of finishes and can combine whatever switches you want like 3-way retractive for dimmer.
I'm interested in the 4 button one, and an i4, to control (from the kitchen door that looks out at the garage) the 4 circuits I am currently working on setting up in the garage. Haven't seen them available anywhere yet.
Shelly with epshome video coming soon ?
Whatcha wanna know?
@@EverythingSmartHome anything to know when buying and integrating Shelly switches to HA ( the process too). I’m thinking I plan to use esphome so pros and cons of that vs other ways. Even what Shelly switch I should get. I believe not all are UL rated?
Love the idea of these but really looking to get as much stuff off wifi as poss and move to zigbee.
Would be cool to see a ZigBee line
Neat idea, but as a few others have mentioned they really need to do a ZigBee version and I'm not convinced by the design of the frame either.
Having said that I'm not sure what option to go for to replace my UK light switches with something a little smarter.
Any suggestions?
I like the Aqara ones a lot at the moment!
@@EverythingSmartHome I'll have a look at them, as I like their other stuff - I final got them working in HA tonight, using ZHA, after buying a USB extension cable for my Conbee II 🙂
Are they 'no neutral required' and do they still work as regular switches if the hub is unavailable for any reason?
@@EverythingSmartHome the problem with the Aqara ones is they don’t support two way switching- whereas Shelly does. Though I’d assume not with these switches
I still think the best place for the relay is in the ceiling rose where you can pick up a neutral here in the uk we only take the the live to the switch plate, I plan to 3d print a ceiling rose with all the fixings but will not be fire rated
Depends on the house, my house is 20 years old (relatively new but not brand new) and has neutrals in all the sockets and lights at the switches. But yes many don't have neutrals
What Shelly does have possibility to automate more than 1 action per button in this 2 buttons switch?
Snap, same question.
It would be nice if they made a module for this that doesn't have a relay it's just a micro controller a power in and an ethernet jack so you can use them solely to control things like the shelly rm4 pro without having to use wireless protocols like WiFi or ZigBee
I think the Shelly i4 comes close, still WiFi though
I wish they would produce a polished chrome version. I have chrome sockets and Lutron chrome light fittings and want something to match as the lutron’s are leading edge dimmers so don’t like led lights and trying to get them to play nice with home assistant is hard work.
I am looking to start my smart home journey, but at this point I would prefer to have Thread/Matter items to try to be as future proof as possible. does anyone know if there anything similar to this with Thread and Matter?
Is there anything for the Shelly Dimmer?
You can use the Shelly dimmer :)
@@EverythingSmartHome yes i know i can use that :) but is there a push button switch for that or a rotary switch as you can't use a conventional rotary switch
Can we also set the Switch with the Shelly 2.5 as a virtual switch only without connecting the output to a real light?
Our house does NOT have a neutral wire and there is almost no space behind the existing switch. Further, several switches are DPDT, ie the light can be turned on and off from two different switches. Can I just replace one switch - if there was space and if there was no need for a neutral wire? I have returned five other brand systems working on an answer for this. Can you help ?
Can you use the buttons without a relay in the back? let's say, to control smart lamps?
Can i use these inputs to control sonoff 4ch outputs? Want to put momentary light swotches in my house and control lights. For example, with long push turn off all lights in home
A good idea, but sadly I don't have neutrals at the switches which limits me to the Shelly 1l I think? & IIRC its only got a single switch channel?
Can you explain how you made a single press double press with hassio ? I'm stuck
I was exactly looking for this ! Does it also work offline (local network)? Do you still recommend these? Do you have matter/thread alternatives ones for these? THanks!
Hi great video a lot of help. What Shelly did you use in the start of the video with the single switch
I bought one of these a while back but haven't fitted it yet. The issue I saw was that once the frame is clipped onto the wall switch (once screwed to the wall), how do you then remove the frame to access the screws? It seems impossible to me as the only way to remove the frame is from the tabs behind it, have you found a way to do it?
Might of missed it but I'd need to know the depth of the back box needed for my block walls?
They pretty much don't take up any extra room compared to normal light switches, should work with shallow ones but double check
I thought this would be a great options, i need 4 gang light smart light switch, which I can't find anywhere, only 3 gang. Can't find this on their siite, guess they've withdrawn it since last year?
i will order the 4 switch one.... i only need one, but i will use the other 3 for HA automations. this is gonna work right? meaning that only one button will work as a switch and the other 3 as presses to control other things through home assistant. hope it works.
also... come on shelly! give us some zigbee options!
What relay were you using to be able to do the double/tripple click options? I am looking at getting some of these but really need to be able to use double click to run certain scenes and just don’t know what relays this is supported with
Have you tried the Aqara T1 too? Which would you rather have in your house?
Excellent clear and informative video as always. Are these available in the UK yet as not visible on the Shelly UK store?
Thank you as always! I think they are, if not they should be soon!
these look fantastic.....will be having a good read up
Let me know if you pick some up!
I’d really like to get hold of some of these, has anyone actually seen them on sale in the UK?
Did you ever find them sold in the uk?
@@Stopmania I gave up in the end and bought SAMOTECH SM-309S’s instead to install behind the light switches and they integrate with Hue and work great
It can't be just me that thinks these would be nice fronts for esphome/8266 boards or for gutting a zigbee button? I appreciate they won't have mains power then but to add 3 way switching where there isn't any existing wiring could be useful
The Shelly devices expose their pins so you can flash a number of them with Tasmota or ESPHome already!
Great vid as always. Question. What do you do with the earth cable? I am not a sparky, but I cant see any wiring diagram that suggests these can be safely used in the UK. What am I missing? TIA
Hey - I'm definitely not the person to ask but as I understand it, it's not used. My earth cables in my lights are just all in a connector block with one another
I'm a fan of shelly. All my lights at home are controlled via shelly and I've already ordered two 2 gangs switches to try them but I'm not sure if they can be configured as a 2 or 3 way switches. I have many lights at home that can be controlled through 2 or 3 switches and I'm not sure if I can use the shelly switches for this purpose
You'd need to check with someone more knowledgeable than me but you should be able to do it since the Shelly supports detached mode
I'm using a Shelly 1 to control my garage door from home assistant. Unfortunately the relay becomes unavailable after a few hours/days. To have it back online I need to disconnect and reconnect the power of my garage opener. This lack of reliability makes that relay pretty useless.
Shelly's are very reliable IMO, I would wager it's a an issue with the network setup or similar
@@EverythingSmartHome The Shelly is placed very close to my Deco M9 plus and the wifi signal is very strong (-53). I disabled the mesh option for this device to make sure that it stays connected to the Deco in the same room.
There was the option before to automatically reboot the Shelly when it loses connection but it has been removed in recent firmware update.
I was thinking of automatically rebooting the Shelly every day via an automation but sometime it only take one hour to loose it so that would not be enough.
Is it true that they get really hot when activated? i read about an internal temperature close to 90°C.
Haven't seen that issue personally!
Super amizing good job because of your vlog tutorial I got some knowledge from you about about that your vlog
Thanks!
Very nice video!!! Sad that these modular frames are made only for EU, not US / LATAM region.
I like the idea, but... Is there again an esp32 so we can flash it using ESPHome?
Yep, mentioned that in the video 😅
I want an American version... I love it!
I received a couple of them today. And I am already pretty sure I won't use them. Why? Because the mechanical switches don't feel good. It's like using mouse buttons on a cheap mouse. It needs (relative speaking) a lot of pressure. And the pressure must be on the "correct" area of the switch. That doesn't mean it's not possible to use these switches, but for something which I want to use possibly everyday without looking and thinking the quality is just not good enough. I like the look especially of the 4x switch. And I would like to use something like that if it would be comfortable to use it. This is not the case with this one.
Yes I wasn't too keen on the buttons themselves either!
I'd be interested if they are compatible with Alexa. If it's dimmable, it could replace multiple WiFi lights.
They are indeed compatible with Alexa!
You didn't touch on how they are wired to existing house wiring. Most importantly the need for a neutral wire.
Everyone's house is different, I'm not a wiring expert so I don't give advice on things I'm not qualified/knowledgeable enough to talk about.
@@EverythingSmartHome that's a fair and responsible point. Although what i'm getting at is the fact that most UK/Irish homes don't have a neutral wire to the light switch itself. People will be buying these relays based off you recommendation, not knowing they're unsuitable for their home, as the relay needs a neutral wire.
Sure but I would hope that anyone looking to buy something electrical will either know how to wire this themselves and thus will know if it's suitable or not, or will ask someone who does know.
Also, the wiring doesn't actually have anything to do with the light switches themselves which is what the subject of this video is. The relays do - and you can actually buy a Shelly that doesn't require a neutral wire.
I live in the UK and have a neutral in my house, so there is that too.
Hello. What app do you use on smartphone?
Home Assistant!
I am not sure if there is an actual use for these switches! The idea behind the relay module is that You can convert YOUR OWN switch which matches your decor into a smart switch. If I will use a blank white dull switch, I will buy a smart switch from scratch, which will be cheaper!
I installed a bunch of these because in my case there wasn't enough space in the box to put the Shelly behind the switch.
@ I see your point! Would you have considered getting a smart switch instead?
Well, not really what I need. I have physical buttons I don't want to replace and smart bulbs which have constant power, so why do I need a bulky relay?
Just give me a "switch sensor" I can attach to 230 V and the existing physical switch and hook up to my Zigbee network.
These relay modules have been a pain to install and I even got "deep" boxes in my walls. In my previous home they were just too large to fit in some boxes.
These are no thicker than a regular switch IMO, should fit into any back box.
Bulbs for many people aren't that great because people have a tendency to accidentally switch them off.
I prefer switches over bulbs personally - but everyone's preferences are different
@@EverythingSmartHome well, I have already switches.
So my bulbs just get constant power by bypassing the switch and the switch gets connected to a relay module. (The output of the relay is not connected)
The relay module plus a regular switch is sometimes too large for a regular wallbox, that's the issue.
And I really don't want to buy new switches. I mean, why? I just need a small module which sends the state to HA via Zigbee / WiFi
I'm glad you've found something that works for you :)
Remember not everyone has the ability/knowledge to do that, and there other people out there who do want switches, even if you personally don't.
Having choice is great!
Also no these really aren't any thicker than normal switches, at least the ones we have in the UK.
Don't you find having physical switches nice sometimes? I didn't used to think so but since I started using Aqara ZigBee switches I've found having a physical switch really nice
@@EverythingSmartHome well, I use two physical switches: At the bedroom door and at the living room door.
In the kitchen I use motion lights and have an IKEA button to switch all working lights on or back to motion lights.
At the bed I have a glass touch switch (from TuYa? 🤔 ) it's a Zigbee thing.
Main reason not wanting to change the buttons is esthetics. I like the simple white switches.
It also feels a bit wasteful to throw them all out just to replace them with other ones because they are not "smart" instead of putting a module behind them.
I just need a smaller formfactor for 230 V powered sensor which sends the status out to what Shelly is currently offering. :)
I don't like the logo on the frame.
Fair enough! It is pretty small but I get it!
They had frames without the logo on their site and promo material and some early reviewers featured those. I received the ones with the logo and i also don't like them... Found out there's a legrand frame that snaps onto this so switched them out. The white off the legrand is slightly different though...
Nice!
Thanks!
Try removing the face plate from the wall, it is horrible hard.
why not use contact points :((
then less wire needed
What do you mean sorry, could you expand?
@@EverythingSmartHome I mean metal-metal contact points between Shelly and switch, so no wire coming from the switch.
N+1 contact points for N switches.
But every Shelly has different amount of terminals and switches depending which one you choose, so it think that would be difficult
great video ,we love your video style,I am eva from Moes which produce and sell the smart product for whole smart house for many years,do you have any idea about cooperate with us to be a product review?waiting to your feedback
Would be great but they won't work with US boxes.
Hopefully some US ones will come soon!
Cool but I don’t like the looks. And reliability of press is key for me
I hear ya
So the shelly faceplate finally came to my house and my wife almost killed because of the terribly impractical design. The faceplate is a terrible fingerprint magnet, the white color on the faceplate does not match the white color on buttons, and finally, the faceplate is terribly designed, so that when you attach it to the wall, it does not even cover the hole in the wall fully (the ones that you have in the EU). Shelly switches are great, but the wall plate is a piece of trash.
Why did my man say A.L.E.X.A instead of just normally saying Alexa?
So as not to trigger people who have Alexa's in the same room 😅
@@EverythingSmartHome hadn't thought of that 🥴🥴🥴
If only they made us gang sizes.
Hopefully one day!
still too big for eu
Not really, they are made specifically for EU AFAIK
Cool idea but i think they are so ugly.