After the Revolution - Nellie Bowles | Maiden Mother Matriarch 82
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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My guest today is the journalist Nellie Bowles - columnist at the Free Press, and author of the new book 'Morning After the Revolution: Dispatches from the Wrong Side of History.'
We spoke about Nellie's journey from being an orthodox liberal journalist at The New York Times in 2020, to becoming an apostate who lost her faith in progressive politics after reporting on the harm done by its extremists. We spoke about homelessness, drug decriminalization, the defund the police movement, and - in the extended section - transgenderism.
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2:15 CHAZ/CHOP Portland
9:35 Changes in the media 2020
11:45 Cancelling people
12:55 Both sides can be persecuted and persecutor
14:07 Apostates to the left or right
19:56 Difference in cancel culture from the left to the right
26:48 Free press debate LA
32:47 Homelessness in Europe vs America
33:55 Problems with being anti-traditionalist
38:50 difference in how the left and right view their opponents
41:46 Changing views on trans issues
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Thank you both. If you still speak to people at the NYT, please tell them, All the news that’s fit to print? My foot!!!
Louise, thank you for another interesting and insightful interview.
She did a great job of explaining the homeless situation.
There is no right or wrong side to history. Just history. And the endless attempts to rewrite it.
There is politically useful history that is emphasized eg historical slavery in the US and politically unhelpful history that is ignored eg slavery in Africa today and everywhere else for all of recorded time.
When one example of a thing is emphasized but all other examples are ignored, you know they are not acting in good faith!
Well said.
@@jonahtwhale1779And that is part of the problem. Today historical slavery from the US is spread as factoral history to countries with completely different histories.
@@jonahtwhale1779For example only yesterday someone asserted a great deal online as historical fact in regards to slavery. It may have been factual for the US but it was completely incorrect for my country or for Europe. In fact a white person in Europe was more likely to be taken as a slave than to encounter a slave. For example as later as the 1850s British women were being sold in Algiers. And during the Mediaeval period this was more intense. Islam controlled much of France, Italy and Spain and demanded many thousands of slaves a year. This continued until 1492, about the time the Turks completed the Greek genocide of Constantinople
And selectively interpret it by omitting certain aspects
Louise you pick such interesting guests.
The review of her book by the NY Times was pure vitriol. Made me cancel my subscription.
Love you podcast ~ thank you !
24 minutes into this great conversation
you said there are no conservative
universities
oh my goodness,there are some very very conservative religious private universities, that actually embrace
‘purity culture’ as part of their campus
rules. I am a Brit living in the US and I am so grateful for the our Anglican tradition, it has a calmness and a value
of contemplative practice, but here in the US, Christianity is a wild ride over here … quite bonkers … as bizarre as the extremes within politics
Thank you for the high quality of your
interviews.
Katie 🇺🇸🇬🇧
37:27 "Like, 'Abolish The Police' is a very beautiful notion."
Not, it really isn't. We all know in our heart-of-hearts that the most vulnerable is made that much worse off if we attempt to abolish the police.
I appreciated much of what she had to say (as 'laughy' as she was), but that is ridiculous.
These people are Marxists deployed to destabilize the country lol. Imagine saying defud the police is a good thing, so fucking stupid
Agreed, nothing beautiful about it. If the streets are left and people to their own devices, what happens is that the predators come and fill that gap. From those people in the zombie areas nothing is to be expected, but if neighborhoods and businesses are under no police protection, they become the wild west again. I am from Germany, and it's hard to imagine those things happening on the west coast of the US. I've been there quite often. I also hear, that it's alright to give people suicide medicine (when they are severely sick) and that funerals aren't that important.
Another thing I am too conservative myself is "ordering sperm" to become pregnant. I hope, that men stop giving their sperms and women stop giving their eggs, like they are things to be marketed.
To be fair, I suspect the meaning was "Imagine if there was no need for the police" a la John Lennon.
Well said. This will lead to dystopia just like Haiti, cartel run areas in Mexico and Colombia & etc. It's anarchism ideology leading towards lawlessness and destruction
I was lookin' at my airbag, and I be like: et tu, Brutay???
😂
But what if it's the airbag in your steering wheel gets you. Is that double betrayal.
@@grannyannie2948 Nah the wheel's supposed to steer you, if anything, it has a sinister Machiavellian agenda. Much like governmental authorities that are supposed to assist in arresting societal decline. We anthropomorphize the State, along with everything else.
I'm an award-winning theoretical psychologist, as you can tell, I own several mansions and I'm rich and famous for my insights.
The real difference between the progressive and conservative mindset is touched on but not really explored.
Progressives think let's change something. We can have all these new good things. Only later do they discover the bad outcomes and the good things they have lost.
A conservative thinks if we change something, what good things might we lose and what bad things might happen?
The conserv active position is wiser and more sustainable.
Unfortunately too many progressives are wilfully blind to the bad outcomes of their policies, they blame conservatives for them and insist on continuing forward.
I still haven't seen her make a statement on that Peterson piece
yes, accountability is needed. that was pathetic.
What happened? What did I miss
She is still so captured.
People that you disagree with are captured by ideology and you aren’t. You don’t have any ideology, just logic and clairvoyance.
@@blakereid5785 No. Disagreement with her was fine. At the end she gave a sermon on progress explaining why it was morally good, therefore bad things aren't part of progress. So the things her people supported will be recast as "not our fault".
She's a woman. What did you expect? If it wasn't her turn to be eaten she would have stayed a part of the snake
39:44 brilliant line! So true.
The only word to describe this stuff is "spirit".
Nellie could be a good politician
Regarding Oregon re-criminalizing drugs, we are back to Chesterton's fence. It's not a good idea to tear down a fence until you know why it was put up in the first place.
I love Nellie’s TGIF, but it saddens me how misguided she still comes across. To express this as concisely as I can, it is not a “beautiful idea” to believe that our society, itself, is a bad thing to the degree that abolishing the police is a good idea because the only reason that people would act criminally is that they are driven to do so by our rotten society. She seems to remain blind to the awful underlying premise of what she categorizes as “beautiful ideas.”
Agreed. Probably because her current position was foisted upon her, and wasn't the result of an organic evolution of thought/opinion.
A Conservative is someone who wants to save even one thing from Progress. Progress is whatever gets the "right" people more power
Nellie=🔥
This is the stupidest time…until the next one.
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“Libertarian” drug policy but socialist tax policy. I can do whatever I want but I want my neighbours to pay more tax so I can do it…
It’s the same pattern of large corporations privatizing profits and when it goes sideways, demanding that their losses be socialized, with their hands out for tax dollars. This pattern is bound to fail
It's Libertarian to say "if people want to do drugs, let 'em."
It's not Libertarian to say "...and taxpayers should give them clean needles, subsidized shelter, free food, let them defecate in the street, and let them pitch tents in publicly-funded parks, etc.."
Does public defecation violate the NAP?
@@jenniferlawrence2701 That's a legit good question!
30:34 How perverse a thing to say, as the left does in California (Los Angeles is my home), that " we respect you, and we support the dignity you have found in living, and ultimately dying, in the gutter" Average 6 deaths per day, 2000 per year, in the City of Los Angeles.
Almost all mental illness, substance abuse, or both.
Can anyone link to the Fox News video she talked about…?
LP accurately reviews EVERY David Fincher film.
*Chicago.
Favorite films: Memento (2000), The Prestige (2006), Animal Kingdom (2010).
Talking about the zombie apocalypse that is now LA and San Francisco, it wasn't always like that. From 1959-67 California was governed by Gerry Brown Sr. From 1967-75 it was governed by Ronald Reagan. In those years, California was often described as something of a paradise. Outstanding schools, modern high quality infrastructure, it was clean and safe, had thriving farms and industries, the cities had thriving night-life, and of course great weather and scenery.
Once Gerry Brown the lesser (Governor Moonbeam, as he was called) got elected governor after Reagan, the slide off the cliff began. It started with his declaring the California Water Project was going to be stopped part way through completion, because who needs sufficient water? As a series of farther and farther Left governors and state legislators were elected, the collapse of once amazing California accelerated. Taxes and regulations on businesses and residents skyrocketed, and businesses left the state for more moderate and friendlier climates. The border was opened to illegal immigrants and wages were pushed down as a result, street crime and violent crime rose, and the tax burden on the residents and businesses increased again to deal with the costs. It was - and still is - a self reinforcing collapse of society. Interestingly, as more people quit their jobs and sold their homes and left the state, it tended to concentrate the political spectrum to more and more hard core Leftists.
Having watched this scenario play out now in California and New York and Oregon and Washington over many years, as well as seen what's happened to the universities and the MSM, I've identified a pattern. Every institution or polity the Left takes over, they utterly destroy. It becomes a hollowed-out husk of its former self, and becomes utterly corrupt, psychotic and destructive to itself and everything around it. The Western Left has devolved into an insane cult.
As a life long 50 year old So Cal resident. I sadly have to agree with you. I LOVE so much about what this state offers geographically, historically and economically to anyone who wants to live here but it has changed so much. It’s being ruined by a lot of half baked policies. My children are not growing up in the California I got to experience as a child.
I see this in my country as well . But besides corruption and dysfunction, they are also authoritive in power.
Ah yes, California under Ronald Reagan... the paradise where he sent the national guard to Berkley because students turned an abandoned parking lot into a garden to peacefully protest the vietnam war. Can't have that. The police wound up killing students. Where Reagan was quoted as saying "if there's got to be bloodshed let's get it over with". You talk about California's great schools - you know the schools where Reagan gutted funding and cancelled the free college system. I don't know how anyone in the world can look at Ronald Reagan with rose colored glasses. He was a colossal piece of garbage.
Devolved into, or always was?
Your next step is to realise that liberalism leads, inexorably, to everything you are complaining about
Steve Sailer was canceled on the right. Though he does now seem to be making a comeback.
Sorry for the pedantry, but apostate is pronounced with the emphasis on the second syllable in both American and British English.
We want sympathy and empathy, but if we use them as a cheap way for self validation, and actively looking for something and anything to be sympathetic about, these two virtues will become toxic and will lead us to a failed community, and a dystopia society.
Community and society, for their survival, often disadvantage behaviors which are destructive, such as robbery, and reward behaviors which are constructive, such as hard working. If our only self validation is who has the biggest heart, we will soon find out there is just nothing to be sympathetic about a hard working person, but plenty to be sympathetic about a robber if we are actively looking into him really deep for anything.
29:50 Ok look, normie ppl...the idea is that the MARKET is supposed to CORRECT these things, unfettered. (Now I gotta draw attention to my @handle, I'll change it next week).
It's rly only slightly farther than functional "liberal" society, and actually how it's SUPPOSED to operate, under optimal conditions.
I appreciate Louise, and almost all her arguments, when it comes to socionormative culture.
On GOVERNANCE however, it's a different story. Precedence for the TEMPORARY declaration of martial law, is built into our system (in the US, and differs elsewhere to the extent that all places aren't now basically the US).
But, if you accidentally imported a large hostile population, so need to indefinitely impose martial law, to keep your smallish island under control? (UK).
I can see how this might compel you to essentially promote soft authoritarianism LP, but ultimately, it's a situation that just doesn't work.
The most functional systems of governance need to be replicated, as nearly as possible, as consistently as possible, in as many places as possible. Otherwise, military juntas around the world, could essentially be deemed 'justifiable'.
Edit: Michael Shellenberger's corrective suggestions, in this case example, are spot on, and the most minimal government involvement reasonably possible in implementing his proposed social changes, could be considered ideal (that's obviously not always practically possible, this could be considered one such case. But you'd be surprised how much the citizenry can handle on their own when sufficiently informed and engaged).
I'm Australian and I know Britain well. What you describe has already happened in our countries. The authoritive response has sided with the invaders.
The best thing about Christianity is that it led to the enlightenment, which was a rejection of the primacy of religious doctrine and enabled people to think for themselves. So the best thing about Christianity was nothing to do with any of the religion's teachings, it was the event that enabled us to reject religion itself.
What was this? A living room chit chat?
Look, it's pretty simple. If norms and culture have completely broken down, beyond the point of self-correction, then you probably actually WOULD need an authoritarian crackdown to survive.
Does anyone actually think our civilization is at that point, despite the total mismanagement of cities? Anyone who says yes, and fully imbibes Yarvin's monarchism, or Harrington's medievalism, needs to better acquaint themselves with the concept of contrarianism.
These things are not linear, they can move dramatically very quickly. Everything can appear stable until all of a sudden it isn't.
Look at the fall of the Warsaw pact. 40 years of stability fell apart in a week.
The GFC - decades of rising house prives, reversed in a month.
So many examples of today's mainstream being washed away after having their foundations undermined.
The progressive project has deliberately undermined the pillars of our society for decades - family, religion, money, the economy, relationships, law and order, personal responsibility, uncontrolled immigration, patriotism,education, the media etc etc.
What wI'll keep our society stable when no one believes on it anymore?
@@jonahtwhale1779 Yeah, is that a strictly rhetorical question? Tell me, what keeps it stable?
Also, NO ONE believes in it anymore? C'mon now.
We are already past this point. We are already living on the fumes of what once was.
Its all about money not beauitful ideas
She looks kind of like Ed Sheeran, ngl
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I don't trust her after her sleazy Jordan Peterson hitpiece.
Where is it to find? Here on the channel?
Nellie is facile to an unnerving degree.
As an "enlightened centrist", I find this podcast very compelling. Keep it up!
I went from the left to the far right without changing my mind about anything
"enlightened centrist" ?... the Chosen One has entered the building!
My jaw dropped. Two of my favorite people. A dream. Thank you.
I hope you invite Janice Fiamengo to your podcast
It’s doubtful; I don’t think Louise wants to be pegged down as an mra / anti feminist
@@bensanderson7144just having someone with opposing views won't really mean that I think
I think some progressives also really like to tell other people what to do. It enlivens them.
39:26 off topic but that laugh made my day
Why do people who say "the wrong side of history" think they are being clever? That is the most vacuous phrase ever.
Dawn breaks on Marblehead.
Took awhile.
Yes, NPR is biased--
how long did it take to figure that one out?
"based on really beautiful ideas'?
No, not so much.
One of the weaker interviews I've watched on this channel.
Is it too late to remove the vote for women? 😜😆
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Have you heard of Se7en? Wait, you don't know of the movie Se7en?!
When the media goes silent on crimes with antiwhite motivations, always remember to call it a hush crime instead of "getting memory holed."
Summer of Geroge Floyd/of "love" = summer of antiwhite terror. Also, "cancelling" is the antiwhite hate mob or antiwhite social lynching mob. Words matter; don't call these people *or their activities* by the names of their own choosing.
90's-00's Northwest Left-Libertarianism was the BEST, and 00's-10's Northwest Left-Libertarianism was the WORST, because dumb normies catch on to shit, don't get the point or context of the thing in the first place, and fuk up every cool sociocultural trend, the only antidote used to be that the cycle continues, but all new media are still too novel and fragmented for an updated relevant cultural ethos to fully take root.
(Also, they ruined all the cities, all the cities are ruined).
Edit: *cite; No WTO Combo.
She did well from the damage she caused.
I don't think I give her a pass now.
Rats jump ship? Do you then give them a home?
She’s not a rat. She’s a human being who changed her mind when faced with facts. She was open minded enough to switch instead of doubling down. If more people were willing to do that we wouldn’t be so polarized
@@glimmrgirl she wants to stay relevant. These people knew exactly what they were doing and they would be doing the same thing now if the politics hadn't changed so abruptly.
The political landscape is changing and little rats like this are the first to smell it. It's not a 'conscience' thing it's pure (and painfully obvious) self preservation. I can live with the deluded, I can't live with liars.
This woman is a walking lie. There will be many more, watch out for them.
Stay safe, have a nice day.
took me a bit to connect "applestate" to "apostate"
Hah same, I want to be British. (They started the language, so you know it was originally spelled "applestate").
@@Jules-Is-a-Guy lol!
I did not until I saw this comments section!
I just assumed apple state was an American term
Can you get Jimmy Carr to the podcast? 🤍