People are getting so cocky. Like we haven't been burned before. I'll believe it when it happens but no sooner. Provided the world is still around to see any of this happen.
It's wild that the third best Deadpool movie is regarded as the best MCU movie in years. It SOUNDS LIKE a glowing review of THIS movie BUT ACTUALLY is a damning response to all the recent slop of the MCU...its like eating a McDonald's hamburger and saying this is the best meal I've had in years...At that point It becomes a critique of your eating habits, not the meal
All I know is that I am super excited for the future of the MCU. Brave New World, Thunderbolts, Blade, Doctor Strange 3, Thor 5, Spider-Man 4, Avengers 4 and 5, the possibilities for awesome adventures are amazing.
Give us Doctor Strange 3 as an adaptation of Triumph and Torment. Would be a great way to show more of Doom’s backstory, and set up the relationship between Strange and Doom before Secret Wars. Also would be a great way to show Strange becoming sorcerer supreme again
It might come out after Doomsday (probably July or December 2026) then a credits scene where Spidey gets the symbiote suit just before Secret Wars (similar to the original run in the comics).
Superman doesnt need to make a billion. Needs to make 700-800 and get good critical and fan reception. Needs to get the ball rolling. The Batman didnt make a billion and got a sequel. A billion is such a weird number that fans push for no reason.
@1:21 "The difference between us and being homeless is that when we mutter out loud about suff,we do into a camera lens and people are watching"..You're welcome Coy!!😂😂😂😂😂
I always love Coy and Jay (and Hector!) they bring such context, nuances, and depths to the conversation - they aren’t just “this is great/bad” - its “here’s the context, here’s the history, I disagree/agree AND…” it’s a commentary than some of the other joy rage convos… please continue to bring them back! ❤❤ (also, Jessica. ❤)
I think jay is right. I think he’s going to be the Doom from FFs universe. They specifically said “who better to play VICTOR VON DOOM”. I don’t think he’s a variant of Tony. I think he comes to the 616 when the FF comes to the 616 in a similar way because they also said the FF would be in both avengers films. I think he wins, or sets the stage for secret wars in Doomsday and then secret wars… well, we all know what happens. Big reset lol. This is me going on record lol given infinity war and endgame, there’s president as far as the directors and writer.
I 💯 agree. They will do some soft reset of avengers or say, hey look the avengers in another universe are doing this.. and reboot them along with X-Men , FF and others. This will all be after secret wars.
I'd love to see Doom form a faction like the Cable to take out anchor beings, so he can stay hidden from Loki as he manipulates him to help form Battleworld. And hunting down beings like Eternity, Beyonders, and the Watcher to steal their powers to become God Emporer. I wouldnt doubt if Paradox and rogue factions of the TVA are working for Doom. Because of the prophecy about the Scarlet Witch i think shes going to be a key player along with Loki.
i don’t think Superman needs to make a billion but it definitely needs to make over 700 million. no Superman movie has made over 700 million, also needs to make a profit ofc😂
Makes no sense that it "needs" to. It needs to be good, and it would be great to be profitable, but once it has strong critic and audience scores it has done it's job. It would be unreasonable to expect this one to perform better than any other had.
The whole Anchor Being is a 4th wall joke. Wolverine is pointed out as an anchor being because he carried the Fox X-men universe on his back. It's not a serious thing, I don't think there's gonna be any follow up. But it is kind of poetic now that RDJ is returning to the MCU, because he is the anchor being for that universe.
THANK YOU. I dont for a second think RDJ is going to be a Tony variant. He just looks like him in that universe. I think theyre aware how much of a disservice itll do to make him a Tony variant. Victor is TOO 👏 IMPORTANT 👏 to NOT make him his own character.
Won’t be surprised if he is. Why you think the russos brothers said there’s only one person who can play Dr. Doom. My only problem is that I think the script is predictable
6:13 I’m intrigued, in the perspective of getting the iconic villain like Doctor Doom (more less) at the end of the Multiverse Saga. Taking out Jonathan Major portion of it, Kang the Conqueror hasn’t really consistently been in the Multiverse Saga Taking out Tony Stark/ Iron Man who is that is Robert Downey Jr., is currently rarely any mention of Doctor Doom or at least Latveria. I’m just curious on how they will use Doctor Doom, while we didn’t see Thanos in the Infinity Saga: we still felt his presence. We saw the infinity stones throughout the films which became Thano’s weapon. I want Doctor Doom to have a strong presence, strong motivation, but we are meeting him at the end of the Multiverse Saga. Taking out Disney+ Shows, there are just currently 3 films before Doomsday and Secret Wars.
The only way Spider-Man 4 works in-between films is if he isn't in Doomsday. It wouldn't make sense for him to be involved in a multiverse event in that movie, back down to street level in his movie, back up to multiverse level in Secret Wars.
you got point. altho they dont necessarily tell stories chronologically for example it could be flashback like antman and wasp and captain marvel, or could be a multiversal version of peter parker (both will be done in freshman year) it could be a side plot like eddie brock sucked in/out between 2 spider-man movies and 2 venom movies. the real point is, the spiderman solo arc, whichever version it would be, doesnt affect the whole big avengers event. in other words, it has no reason to be here.
I think they could swing for the fences. After defeating this Doom, 616 Doom could lead into Civil War 2. Instead of Ulysses, the heroes could find a younger Victor. And they know he is destined to become Doom, so the heroes are divided on what to do. But their actions lead him to become the evil they tried to prevent.
I actually cant believe they didn't push those movies. Like we dont even have an Avengers team right now. Lol we dont have a current Blade. Half the after credit characters havent showed back up. Lol
Wooooooooo!!!! So excited that yall got Jay back on here. Saw him at blerdcon and it was incredible. So happy to have his perspective on this. Is Jess doing some coverage as well? Yall bring Hector back soon? I NEED ALL THE SPICY TAKES!!!
19:20 The way the kids in the Deadpool movie reacted to them landing on the car and knowing who they were like they were the Avengers, reminded me of the CW crisis on infinite Earths when The Flash and Supergirl I didn't know they were in a universe where they always existed together. I was thinking after Secret Wars that would probably be the easiest way to reset the MCU, to establish every character we haven't seen but not having to slowly introduce everybody.
I used to laugh at people who said "Oh, Marvel is on its deathbed, it’s in need of a full reboot" but after this news I’m open to the idea of doing a full reboot after secret wars. Like, take a 5-10 year hiatus and the create a new MCU. Plus, now that they have access to all those characters have it be a world where the avengers and x men coexist with each other.
They won’t be having a hiatus they want to bring the multiverse shenanigans to a relatively quicker end than they originally planned ( by 2027) as clearly they think multiverse has failed. In 2028 don’t be surprised new X Men and mutant saga will begin and a soft reboot at best.
Not happening. They can easily reset the very next year and will not leave 5+ years of movie revenue on the table. Plus, they have the option of using Secret Wars to do an in-universe reboot, that follows with FF, X-Men and a rebuilding Avengers.
I don't think Superman has to do a billion. As long as the film does well critically, the DCU will continue. Gunn and Safran need to rebuild the DC brand.
SDCC delivered so much content, keeping us hungry. Cannot wait to see what Marvel has cooking in its creative oven Russo's are back, Silvestri too. RDJ as Doom. Fantastic Four - First Steps. Already love the cast Captain America: Brave New World & More There are so many stories, so many possibilities Deadpool & Wolverine kicking butt in theaters 🤘LFG!! Madame Web in Secret Wars. Yes. She has to be 😅 Morbius, Midnight Suns. Yes 🙌
I love Jay's idea, I think in another universe Dr Doom replaced Iron Man as the savior of humanity but with a dark side and it's RDJ playing that victor, so we can still see a lot of RDJ cuz he can do the whole "I am Iron Man" reveal except "I am Dr Doom" takes off his mask in front of the press etc, but in battle he always has it on (for protection) so the avengers may not know who it is until later in the movie. There is no Dr Doom in the sacred timeline yet, so the earth 616 Dr Doom might be someone who isn't RDJ. Let's say that it's actually the universe Deadpool is in, and then Deadpool's universe and the sacred timeline universe have an incursion, but Deadpool's universe actually survives, eg the only sacred timeline characters who survive secret wars are the ones who will then end up on Deadpool's universe. That pays off the whole "wow look how stable YOUR (deadpool's) universe is now", or even if Doom was from another universe he might pick Deadpool's as the best one to save because of it's stability.
It was kinda funny how he spoke so confidently that everything he was talking about is actually gonna happen. I’m used to hearing people go on rants about what will happen in these movies then none of it happens.
The sixties had a lot of interesting aspect ratios like CinemaScope and Ultra Panavision. Wide screen films became the norm in the 1950's after the anamorphic lens became popular. 4:3 makes sense for TV and home movies(8mm) from the sixties. The movie screens in the sixties got really wide. I could see them using a technicolor look for the FF's universe.
You said "eccentric" and "jheri curls" ...first person that came to mind was Russel Brand 🤣 😂 I'm not serious, but just imagine how hilarious his interactions would be with some of the more serious characters.
I think it's just going to be a mixture of the what if and other weord Doom related comics with Stark. And the reason why I think it's going to be a variation of the what if. Either it being a body swap in college, or he was born to Tony's parents but possibly adopted by the Von Dooms and he really is Viktor. But I kind of like the idea of the real Doom in that Starks body for how ever long and when they do the soft reboot, they can then pivot to the actor who will be the ongoing Doom, in his actual body or gets hurt so bad that he transfers bodies.
Spiderman 4 and doctor strange 3 with a new director need to happen bettween the avengers movie i dont know about blade movie right now they need to figure it out i would prefer he appears with werewolf by night in moonknight season 2 at this point and tease midnight suns vs mia goth lilith
I honestly feel like All Caps the paino part is gonna be added in a montage or his theme song within the movie. Whenever he shows up on camera. Would be perfect tribute to MF DOOM
I think Shang Chi 2 could also happen in between Avengers movies. I think if Spider-Man 4 takes place in between movies, it's going to be a flashback like Ant Man and the Wasp was.
As a matter of fact, the best possible way is to have her in Spider-Man four similar to the way Thanos was in guardians of the Galaxy. He was just there for a scene a brief scene and then that was it.
I think in the sacred timeline there isn’t an anchor being because it was an endless circle . But the other multiverse branches have an end to them so they have anchor beings and incursions. But I wonder what other people might think
Coy and many others misunderstand the end of Loki season 2 . HWR reiterated that Loki doesn’t stand a chance against the variants seen in Ant Man Quantumania . They reaffirmed he’s still a big threat .
Nah, they understand it was said, but they're specifying that despite his hype, those versions we got were killed off so it is not a stretch to change intended direction and kill off the rest unceremoniously. That said, Doom is the type of character I can see coopting the Kang/TVA tech and being a proper threat with tech instead of brute force.
@@bajansamurai I just don’t see Disney doing it . Inside baseball here but I actually think Disney is protecting their relationship with Jon Majors. I believe ultimately everything will come down to a showdown between Doom and Jon Majors the Beyonder. Those films are 2-3 years out. Perfect window of time for Jon to re endear himself to the general public. I really don’t see Disney/Marvel throwing away two phases of work no matter what. I think Doom was always the main villian and Marvel got too excited when they got Jon Majors and made a quick pivot . I think the strikes, Covid , and other factors exasperated the wait for more elements of the narrative to be laid out in a timely manner . I think some people are still confused about the mechanics of the multiverse or (multi-universe aka multiversal forest ) . I think Marvel always planned to have Doom then Doom vs Kang . I think the Kang story really revolves around the OG Ravonna and I hope Marvel doesn’t drop their plans to explore her background and motivations. They really should have did the Cross -Time Kangs featuring Ravonna if they wanted to Segway away from Jon Majors briefly
@@bizzybrown8372 that's an interesting take, but I doubt the protecting their relationship part. People complain how Disney is too concerned with projecting the family image, and 2-3 years isn't enough to gamble on Majors rebuilding his cred. Especially considering a) filming has to start 1-2 years or more before release, and b) we aren't sure more crap won't come out about anyone who got convicted of [admittedly lesser of the] charges. Kang appearing would be with another actor for now. I do agree with this that you mentioned about Doom coming into play was probably always the plan. It was the biggest part of the newer and acclaimed Secret Wars run, after all. On another note that you may not necessarily agree with, Majors' acting was great, but the threat of Kang was a bit underwhelming to me. Before any of his public woes, I wondered if it would make more sense to literally have been baiting-and-switching. When Quantumania came out that was it for me because his ultimate loss to ants could have never been good for his rep, and the stadium full of Kangs felt cheesy, not fear inducing. Had they shown a few Kangs dragging away defeated, maimed and murdered recognizable powerhouses like Thor, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Odin, Hela, etc., and even non-MCU ones like Thing, Apocalypse, Phoenix and/or Silver Surfer in that scene, I think it would have done a lot to show this: forget this one defeat, thousands more are out there who have humbled our known power players. Fear him! I would have been happy to see Ravonna weaponize Alioth and rise as the replacement focus of the Kang character though, but I doubt they were big on just making a TV character the new main focus. Doom is definitely what they want going forward to be the thing to fear in and before Secret Wars.
My theory is God of stories Loki is acting as the beyonders(they're similar story wise). Doom finds out Loki is controlling the multiverse and wants that power so goes and takes it to become God emperor doom. All the while using incursions and time to his advantage to speed up or slow down the destruction of certain timelines/universes. This leads to him forming battle world for secret wars. RDJ takes off the mask at the end of Doomsday, right after killing Loki by choking him out with his own timeline threads and says "fine, I'll do it myself."
You have dr doom do a 10 minute one shot of the post credit scene of all the kangs entering the coliseum. We saw them all entering and cheering. Secrets wars starts with Dr doom entering the coliseum just after what we saw and doom literally darth vader rogue one's them. Slipping shadows splicing lasers chest crushing bone snapping just straight up using kangs as shields just to destroy more kangs. Red blue purple green yellow orange magic everything all across the board. I know I'd be scared to go up against a guy like that. Infact just to edit I'd love to see his armour automatically just rip some kangs apart just because of the magic imbued in it.
I think the best way to introduce this version of Doom would be a D+ series to give us the background, then a short appearance in a movie after to sum up what happened and an introduction to the casual audience. Finally they can do the movie and pack it all in without having to spend time doing it in the film.
Dr Strange 3. Triumph and Tourment in between doomsday and secret wars. 🔥🔥 Reed and Doom and Strange and Dooms relationships gotta be built up for secret wars
I feel like Madame Web only did good on Netflix because nobodddyyy saw it in theaters just waited till it got on streaming. Good for them they saved some money lol
All of these suggestions of “well then the real Doom will show up” is just another reason why I feel this is a miscast. Again I think RDJ will crush it, but even a lot of the folks who like this casting don’t see him as the true Doom.
Before the Doom announcement everyone figured all the Avengers would be back in Secret Wars, so I'm guessing RDJ isn't making all that money just to be Doom, why would he also not be coming back as Iron Man as well?
There will NEVER be a proper MCU Doctor Doom. Fake multiverse Green Goblin so they could cast Willem Dafoe again. Fake "take" on MODOK so they could cast Corey Stoll again. Now a fake multiverse Doctor Doom so they could cast RDJ again. Anyone holding out for a proper MCU version of literally any iconic Marvel villain is SOL. The MCU fucks up Marvel villains unapologetically, they have ever since Iron Man 3.
Because at this point, the Sony movie has now officially established her as the actual Madame Webb in full Madame Web glory they could even age her up by giving her streaks of gray hair if they want to go that route
If they're gonna reboot the whole thing up after Secret Wars, why not bring back RDJ for full-on grown Doom now and save the whole origin for the next iteration?
To create high stakes, I feel like doom should win the battle with the Kangs, now that He Who Remains and The Conqueror are gone. Doom decimating them to save the Multi-Verse and the Avengers are a threat to this and Doom will agree to disagree and fulfill his Amour around the world.
I'll tell ya, we are in the presence of a Disney infused story of Anakin turning into Vader, with Tony echoing that same concept with DOOM (MIND BLOWN)
Coy’s lady having the phone ready for him about the RDJ Doom news is awesome. That’s some real shit.
WE ARE SO BACK
People are getting so cocky. Like we haven't been burned before. I'll believe it when it happens but no sooner. Provided the world is still around to see any of this happen.
@@Dunybrook Russo Brothers are directing we never been burned by them. Stop your crying and go play catch with your dad
We’ll see. Marvel rollin the dice here
The annual talking point
It's wild that the third best Deadpool movie is regarded as the best MCU movie in years. It SOUNDS LIKE a glowing review of THIS movie BUT ACTUALLY is a damning response to all the recent slop of the MCU...its like eating a McDonald's hamburger and saying this is the best meal I've had in years...At that point It becomes a critique of your eating habits, not the meal
All I know is that I am super excited for the future of the MCU. Brave New World, Thunderbolts, Blade, Doctor Strange 3, Thor 5, Spider-Man 4, Avengers 4 and 5, the possibilities for awesome adventures are amazing.
F4
Fantastic 4 as well
@@CleansHaven that's right, totally slipped my mind 😂
Well they didn't announce the other films. Was really hoping for that.
Coz now all we know is that after FF we have doomsday
U mean Avengers 5 and shit
This combo is 🐐🐐🐐
I could watch Coy and Jay nerd out for literal hours.
Superman has to do well to justify the universe. But, it does not need to make a billion dollars. This is a start of a new universe.
AT LEAST 850-900 million
Wow Jay Washington is talking a lot about variants and the multiverse. He's on a roll with this.
Give us Doctor Strange 3 as an adaptation of Triumph and Torment. Would be a great way to show more of Doom’s backstory, and set up the relationship between Strange and Doom before Secret Wars. Also would be a great way to show Strange becoming sorcerer supreme again
Best Graphic Novel I’ve ever read!
Coy thanking about his s/o is the type of love I love seeing 🥺
I’d love for spiderman 4 to be a more depressive story potentially, which leads to him taking the symbiote suit in secret wars.
Jay: X-Men
Coy: Spider-Man 4
Evan: Woah Woah woah!!!
at the end he come to a rational answer: Doctor Strange 3
Coy, Evan, Jay?! GIMME A OH HELL YEAH!
There's just no way we're not getting Spider-Man 4 before secret wars. Postponing it until after Doomsday is even a stretch.
If only Marvel got the rights to Spiderman back
It might come out after Doomsday (probably July or December 2026) then a credits scene where Spidey gets the symbiote suit just before Secret Wars (similar to the original run in the comics).
There's no way Spider-Man 4 before secret wars
Weve had pretty consistent spiderman movie releases for nearly 25 years, i think people can wait a little bit for another spiderman movie
It going to slot into JULY 2026 zero doubt
Great episode love this group today
Loved getting sweaty with Coy & Jay since the Collider Heroes days. Gotta keep these two together!💪🏾
I'm at the "wait and see" phase with this RDJ thing. I'm with Coy, I am sooo conflicted.
Did.....Jay Washington just morph into an auctioneer? Roflmao
Gotta love Jay lol
Superman doesnt need to make a billion. Needs to make 700-800 and get good critical and fan reception. Needs to get the ball rolling. The Batman didnt make a billion and got a sequel. A billion is such a weird number that fans push for no reason.
@1:21 "The difference between us and being homeless is that when we mutter out loud about suff,we do into a camera lens and people are watching"..You're welcome Coy!!😂😂😂😂😂
He already said that you should be thanking him
Wow love these two together 😂
I always love Coy and Jay (and Hector!) they bring such context, nuances, and depths to the conversation - they aren’t just “this is great/bad” - its “here’s the context, here’s the history, I disagree/agree AND…” it’s a commentary than some of the other joy rage convos… please continue to bring them back! ❤❤ (also, Jessica. ❤)
Just found the channel cool Got Jay and Cory great comic heads!
Sorry for wrong name I meant Coy
I think jay is right. I think he’s going to be the Doom from FFs universe. They specifically said “who better to play VICTOR VON DOOM”. I don’t think he’s a variant of Tony. I think he comes to the 616 when the FF comes to the 616 in a similar way because they also said the FF would be in both avengers films. I think he wins, or sets the stage for secret wars in Doomsday and then secret wars… well, we all know what happens. Big reset lol. This is me going on record lol given infinity war and endgame, there’s president as far as the directors and writer.
He said no clue don't wanna guess
I 💯 agree. They will do some soft reset of avengers or say, hey look the avengers in another universe are doing this.. and reboot them along with X-Men , FF and others. This will all be after secret wars.
Definitely there will be, it’s a whole year between the two, they definitely going to add movies most likely a Spidey 4, Dr Strange 3 and maybe Thor 5
Hopefully a Ghost Rider movie slides in there somewhere. Maybe a Midnight Suns movie as well but that might be post secret wars.
things like spider-man or thor solo movies are exactly what's not needed for secret wars at this point
I'd love to see Doom form a faction like the Cable to take out anchor beings, so he can stay hidden from Loki as he manipulates him to help form Battleworld. And hunting down beings like Eternity, Beyonders, and the Watcher to steal their powers to become God Emporer. I wouldnt doubt if Paradox and rogue factions of the TVA are working for Doom.
Because of the prophecy about the Scarlet Witch i think shes going to be a key player along with Loki.
Love Jay Washington's perspective, always.
Yes- Dr Strange 3 + Shang Chi + Spider-Man 4
i don’t think Superman needs to make a billion but it definitely needs to make over 700 million. no Superman movie has made over 700 million, also needs to make a profit ofc😂
I mean Superman 1978 basically made over $700 mill and over a billion based on when it came out and Man of Steel came close
@@LeSteeler yea wasn’t counting inflation but u right and man of steel did come close but didn’t cross 700
850 million is the floor
@@jessieurena7583 no superman movie has made that much
Makes no sense that it "needs" to. It needs to be good, and it would be great to be profitable, but once it has strong critic and audience scores it has done it's job. It would be unreasonable to expect this one to perform better than any other had.
The whole Anchor Being is a 4th wall joke. Wolverine is pointed out as an anchor being because he carried the Fox X-men universe on his back. It's not a serious thing, I don't think there's gonna be any follow up.
But it is kind of poetic now that RDJ is returning to the MCU, because he is the anchor being for that universe.
THANK YOU. I dont for a second think RDJ is going to be a Tony variant. He just looks like him in that universe.
I think theyre aware how much of a disservice itll do to make him a Tony variant. Victor is TOO 👏 IMPORTANT 👏 to NOT make him his own character.
Or, Victor is TOO IMPORTANT to NOT make him a Tony variant
Won’t be surprised if he is. Why you think the russos brothers said there’s only one person who can play Dr. Doom. My only problem is that I think the script is predictable
@@iam_ad629It’s all predictable , it’s comic books
If anything, you recast Madame Web as what it should have been in the first place, and it's an older version of her played by Sandra Bullock!!
They would never, because they don't have a right to her character.
Jay is back! Or have I just been missing out on a lot of breakroom videos?
*Uh, we couldn’t find the clip.
I died🤣🤣🤣
From a story telling perspective I think Spiderman 4 needs to happen to deliver a proper black suit saga
6:13 I’m intrigued, in the perspective of getting the iconic villain like Doctor Doom (more less) at the end of the Multiverse Saga.
Taking out Jonathan Major portion of it, Kang the Conqueror hasn’t really consistently been in the Multiverse Saga Taking out Tony Stark/ Iron Man who is that is Robert Downey Jr., is currently rarely any mention of Doctor Doom or at least Latveria. I’m just curious on how they will use Doctor Doom, while we didn’t see Thanos in the Infinity Saga: we still felt his presence. We saw the infinity stones throughout the films which became Thano’s weapon. I want Doctor Doom to have a strong presence, strong motivation, but we are meeting him at the end of the Multiverse Saga. Taking out Disney+ Shows, there are just currently 3 films before Doomsday and Secret Wars.
Coy acknowledging he hasn’t stopped talking? What a twist!
We still need to see Shang Chi 2, Strange 3, Blade and Spiderman 4. I think Armor Wars will be cancelled.
Dr.doom suiting up to ALL CAPS. Perfect mf doom tribute
The only way Spider-Man 4 works in-between films is if he isn't in Doomsday. It wouldn't make sense for him to be involved in a multiverse event in that movie, back down to street level in his movie, back up to multiverse level in Secret Wars.
you got point. altho they dont necessarily tell stories chronologically
for example it could be flashback like antman and wasp and captain marvel, or could be a multiversal version of peter parker (both will be done in freshman year)
it could be a side plot like eddie brock sucked in/out between 2 spider-man movies and 2 venom movies. the real point is, the spiderman solo arc, whichever version it would be, doesnt affect the whole big avengers event. in other words, it has no reason to be here.
I think they could swing for the fences. After defeating this Doom, 616 Doom could lead into Civil War 2. Instead of Ulysses, the heroes could find a younger Victor. And they know he is destined to become Doom, so the heroes are divided on what to do. But their actions lead him to become the evil they tried to prevent.
I actually cant believe they didn't push those movies. Like we dont even have an Avengers team right now. Lol we dont have a current Blade. Half the after credit characters havent showed back up. Lol
Jay !! I’m soooo one of those people u was takin about at 27:50😂😂😂😂
Wooooooooo!!!! So excited that yall got Jay back on here. Saw him at blerdcon and it was incredible. So happy to have his perspective on this. Is Jess doing some coverage as well? Yall bring Hector back soon? I NEED ALL THE SPICY TAKES!!!
19:20 The way the kids in the Deadpool movie reacted to them landing on the car and knowing who they were like they were the Avengers, reminded me of the CW crisis on infinite Earths when The Flash and Supergirl I didn't know they were in a universe where they always existed together. I was thinking after Secret Wars that would probably be the easiest way to reset the MCU, to establish every character we haven't seen but not having to slowly introduce everybody.
secret wars is about incursions but instead of killing planets, they have to determine who the anchors are and kill them
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I used to laugh at people who said "Oh, Marvel is on its deathbed, it’s in need of a full reboot" but after this news I’m open to the idea of doing a full reboot after secret wars. Like, take a 5-10 year hiatus and the create a new MCU. Plus, now that they have access to all those characters have it be a world where the avengers and x men coexist with each other.
They won’t be having a hiatus they want to bring the multiverse shenanigans to a relatively quicker end than they originally planned ( by 2027) as clearly they think multiverse has failed. In 2028 don’t be surprised new X Men and mutant saga will begin and a soft reboot at best.
I would love for them to do that, but now that they have X-Men and F4, there's no way the reboot hiatus is more than 3 years.
nah that’s not happening, they want the multiverse gone and have a the full selection of characters with most of the actors staying
A 5-10 year hiatus? They would never.
Not happening. They can easily reset the very next year and will not leave 5+ years of movie revenue on the table. Plus, they have the option of using Secret Wars to do an in-universe reboot, that follows with FF, X-Men and a rebuilding Avengers.
I don't think Superman has to do a billion. As long as the film does well critically, the DCU will continue. Gunn and Safran need to rebuild the DC brand.
SDCC delivered so much content, keeping us hungry. Cannot wait to see what Marvel has cooking in its creative oven
Russo's are back, Silvestri too. RDJ as Doom.
Fantastic Four - First Steps. Already love the cast
Captain America: Brave New World
& More
There are so many stories, so many possibilities
Deadpool & Wolverine kicking butt in theaters
🤘LFG!!
Madame Web in Secret Wars. Yes. She has to be
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Morbius, Midnight Suns. Yes
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I love Jay's idea, I think in another universe Dr Doom replaced Iron Man as the savior of humanity but with a dark side and it's RDJ playing that victor, so we can still see a lot of RDJ cuz he can do the whole "I am Iron Man" reveal except "I am Dr Doom" takes off his mask in front of the press etc, but in battle he always has it on (for protection) so the avengers may not know who it is until later in the movie.
There is no Dr Doom in the sacred timeline yet, so the earth 616 Dr Doom might be someone who isn't RDJ. Let's say that it's actually the universe Deadpool is in, and then Deadpool's universe and the sacred timeline universe have an incursion, but Deadpool's universe actually survives, eg the only sacred timeline characters who survive secret wars are the ones who will then end up on Deadpool's universe. That pays off the whole "wow look how stable YOUR (deadpool's) universe is now", or even if Doom was from another universe he might pick Deadpool's as the best one to save because of it's stability.
I love jay but there aint no way in hell we getting a x men movie between now and then
It was kinda funny how he spoke so confidently that everything he was talking about is actually gonna happen. I’m used to hearing people go on rants about what will happen in these movies then none of it happens.
JAY VICTOR TIMELY NEVER DIED
The sixties had a lot of interesting aspect ratios like CinemaScope and Ultra Panavision. Wide screen films became the norm in the 1950's after the anamorphic lens became popular. 4:3 makes sense for TV and home movies(8mm) from the sixties. The movie screens in the sixties got really wide. I could see them using a technicolor look for the FF's universe.
Also have him kill Sentry, Thor, Captain Marvel, scarlet Witch or Galactus if you wanted to establish Doom as a threat
You guys do a great job and I watch you religiously
You said "eccentric" and "jheri curls" ...first person that came to mind was Russel Brand 🤣 😂 I'm not serious, but just imagine how hilarious his interactions would be with some of the more serious characters.
I think it's just going to be a mixture of the what if and other weord Doom related comics with Stark. And the reason why I think it's going to be a variation of the what if. Either it being a body swap in college, or he was born to Tony's parents but possibly adopted by the Von Dooms and he really is Viktor. But I kind of like the idea of the real Doom in that Starks body for how ever long and when they do the soft reboot, they can then pivot to the actor who will be the ongoing Doom, in his actual body or gets hurt so bad that he transfers bodies.
Iron Man 2 (2010) was a singular MCU movie year
Still no Shang-Chi 2 in the slate? Hope it's that one
I think it's going to be Shang Chi moving through Battleworld in between Avengers films
@@CrossOutBrycethey really could create something with the next storyline tbh.. Shang chi 2 has a wide variety of ways they could connect the mcu now
the Avengers movies are too important to involve anything that could mess up with china
THANK YOU JAY they called me A fool they said “RDJ is doom deal with it” NO he’s A Doom not THE Doom
first time ive ever seen jay in something and ive never subscribed and followed someone so fast new fain gained today🙌🏼
Spiderman 4 and doctor strange 3 with a new director need to happen bettween the avengers movie i dont know about blade movie right now they need to figure it out i would prefer he appears with werewolf by night in moonknight season 2 at this point and tease midnight suns vs mia goth lilith
I honestly feel like All Caps the paino part is gonna be added in a montage or his theme song within the movie. Whenever he shows up on camera. Would be perfect tribute to MF DOOM
RDJ as Doom walks into the Council of Kangs and much like Don Cheadle in IM2, says, "Look, it's me. I'm here. Deal with it. Let's move on..." 😂
I think Shang Chi 2 could also happen in between Avengers movies. I think if Spider-Man 4 takes place in between movies, it's going to be a flashback like Ant Man and the Wasp was.
great conversation, thank you :)
Jay & Coi, oh i love you two so much!!!
Jay isn’t wrong…having Jay and Coy on together is 🤩.
C’mon one of the more obvious answers for what important movie will be in between Avengers 5&6 is Dr. Strange
As a matter of fact, the best possible way is to have her in Spider-Man four similar to the way Thanos was in guardians of the Galaxy. He was just there for a scene a brief scene and then that was it.
I think the perfect movie to fit in between would be The Young Avengers. Also perfect time to introduce Nate Richards iron lad
I think in the sacred timeline there isn’t an anchor being because it was an endless circle . But the other multiverse branches have an end to them so they have anchor beings and incursions. But I wonder what other people might think
Coy and many others misunderstand the end of Loki season 2 . HWR reiterated that Loki doesn’t stand a chance against the variants seen in Ant Man Quantumania . They reaffirmed he’s still a big threat .
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Nah, they understand it was said, but they're specifying that despite his hype, those versions we got were killed off so it is not a stretch to change intended direction and kill off the rest unceremoniously.
That said, Doom is the type of character I can see coopting the Kang/TVA tech and being a proper threat with tech instead of brute force.
@@bajansamurai I just don’t see Disney doing it . Inside baseball here but I actually think Disney is protecting their relationship with Jon Majors. I believe ultimately everything will come down to a showdown between Doom and Jon Majors the Beyonder. Those films are 2-3 years out. Perfect window of time for Jon to re endear himself to the general public. I really don’t see Disney/Marvel throwing away two phases of work no matter what. I think Doom was always the main villian and Marvel got too excited when they got Jon Majors and made a quick pivot . I think the strikes, Covid , and other factors exasperated the wait for more elements of the narrative to be laid out in a timely manner . I think some people are still confused about the mechanics of the multiverse or (multi-universe aka multiversal forest ) . I think Marvel always planned to have Doom then Doom vs Kang . I think the Kang story really revolves around the OG Ravonna and I hope Marvel doesn’t drop their plans to explore her background and motivations. They really should have did the Cross -Time Kangs featuring Ravonna if they wanted to Segway away from Jon Majors briefly
@@bizzybrown8372 that's an interesting take, but I doubt the protecting their relationship part. People complain how Disney is too concerned with projecting the family image, and 2-3 years isn't enough to gamble on Majors rebuilding his cred. Especially considering a) filming has to start 1-2 years or more before release, and b) we aren't sure more crap won't come out about anyone who got convicted of [admittedly lesser of the] charges. Kang appearing would be with another actor for now.
I do agree with this that you mentioned about Doom coming into play was probably always the plan. It was the biggest part of the newer and acclaimed Secret Wars run, after all. On another note that you may not necessarily agree with, Majors' acting was great, but the threat of Kang was a bit underwhelming to me. Before any of his public woes, I wondered if it would make more sense to literally have been baiting-and-switching. When Quantumania came out that was it for me because his ultimate loss to ants could have never been good for his rep, and the stadium full of Kangs felt cheesy, not fear inducing. Had they shown a few Kangs dragging away defeated, maimed and murdered recognizable powerhouses like Thor, Captain Marvel, Hulk, Odin, Hela, etc., and even non-MCU ones like Thing, Apocalypse, Phoenix and/or Silver Surfer in that scene, I think it would have done a lot to show this: forget this one defeat, thousands more are out there who have humbled our known power players. Fear him!
I would have been happy to see Ravonna weaponize Alioth and rise as the replacement focus of the Kang character though, but I doubt they were big on just making a TV character the new main focus. Doom is definitely what they want going forward to be the thing to fear in and before Secret Wars.
My theory is God of stories Loki is acting as the beyonders(they're similar story wise). Doom finds out Loki is controlling the multiverse and wants that power so goes and takes it to become God emperor doom. All the while using incursions and time to his advantage to speed up or slow down the destruction of certain timelines/universes. This leads to him forming battle world for secret wars. RDJ takes off the mask at the end of Doomsday, right after killing Loki by choking him out with his own timeline threads and says "fine, I'll do it myself."
it’s gonna be another deadpool movie crossing over with whomever that introduced us to our avengers team
My favorite break room trio
You have dr doom do a 10 minute one shot of the post credit scene of all the kangs entering the coliseum. We saw them all entering and cheering.
Secrets wars starts with Dr doom entering the coliseum just after what we saw and doom literally darth vader rogue one's them.
Slipping shadows splicing lasers chest crushing bone snapping just straight up using kangs as shields just to destroy more kangs. Red blue purple green yellow orange magic everything all across the board.
I know I'd be scared to go up against a guy like that.
Infact just to edit I'd love to see his armour automatically just rip some kangs apart just because of the magic imbued in it.
I think the best way to introduce this version of Doom would be a D+ series to give us the background, then a short appearance in a movie after to sum up what happened and an introduction to the casual audience. Finally they can do the movie and pack it all in without having to spend time doing it in the film.
That would be too costly.
It's wishful thinking, but ideally, a lot of characters would benefit from having a series.
Fantastic Four is my most anticipated film next year
Dr Strange 3. Triumph and Tourment in between doomsday and secret wars. 🔥🔥 Reed and Doom and Strange and Dooms relationships gotta be built up for secret wars
Enjoyed this trio
28:08 Jay’s so right😂😂😂
Jay is really on one in this episode. It’s giving the real dr doom lol
I feel like Madame Web only did good on Netflix because nobodddyyy saw it in theaters just waited till it got on streaming. Good for them they saved some money lol
I’m hoping for Armor Wars, like…literally whenever I just want it before the Avengers
Well said Jay!
decent discussion
Fuck! Could Victor Von Doom be the last Illumanti member!?!?
If so that speaks very poorly to his decision making skills.
@@PaulGonzalez-PhilOsyfee How so?
All of these suggestions of “well then the real Doom will show up” is just another reason why I feel this is a miscast. Again I think RDJ will crush it, but even a lot of the folks who like this casting don’t see him as the true Doom.
RDJ better appear in the Council of Kangs and destroy every single one, or do a Iron man 3 thing where the Real Doom messed up RDJ Doom after doomsday
The movie that we will get in between Avengers Doomsday & Avengers Secret Wars, is Armor Wars, it makes the most sense.
I don't think Doom and Tony Stark are going to be related at all. Doom will just have his mask on all movie and be a different character
Before the Doom announcement everyone figured all the Avengers would be back in Secret Wars, so I'm guessing RDJ isn't making all that money just to be Doom, why would he also not be coming back as Iron Man as well?
There will NEVER be a proper MCU Doctor Doom.
Fake multiverse Green Goblin so they could cast Willem Dafoe again. Fake "take" on MODOK so they could cast Corey Stoll again. Now a fake multiverse Doctor Doom so they could cast RDJ again. Anyone holding out for a proper MCU version of literally any iconic Marvel villain is SOL. The MCU fucks up Marvel villains unapologetically, they have ever since Iron Man 3.
Because at this point, the Sony movie has now officially established her as the actual Madame Webb in full Madame Web glory they could even age her up by giving her streaks of gray hair if they want to go that route
If they're gonna reboot the whole thing up after Secret Wars, why not bring back RDJ for full-on grown Doom now and save the whole origin for the next iteration?
To create high stakes, I feel like doom should win the battle with the Kangs, now that He Who Remains and The Conqueror are gone. Doom decimating them to save the Multi-Verse and the Avengers are a threat to this and Doom will agree to disagree and fulfill his Amour around the world.
Doomsday is gonna be insane I'm sure I'm interested how they'll explain it all
I'll tell ya, we are in the presence of a Disney infused story of Anakin turning into Vader, with Tony echoing that same concept with DOOM (MIND BLOWN)
Downey in oppenheimer mode could be a great villain
Does cot know about the what if doctor dooms? At least 2. 1 is a doom that becomes sorcerer supreme, the other is doom switches bodies with stark.