How One Movie Killed The 1980s

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  • @patrickhwillems
    @patrickhwillems  11 місяців тому +23

    Over on our second channel, I replied to a bunch of your comments about this video ua-cam.com/video/BF15KUeEbGY/v-deo.html

    • @shitsforrips
      @shitsforrips 11 місяців тому +1

      Cool. Could you make a video on Bradley Cooper’s Maestro? I didn’t think it was good, but everyone says it is. I’d like to hear your thoughts.

    • @HouseofAmk
      @HouseofAmk 11 місяців тому +1

      So UA-cam and nebula pay the same huh

    • @alexmclean760
      @alexmclean760 11 місяців тому +1

      This was actually well done for a low monetization definitely subscribed

    • @jessiej3991
      @jessiej3991 10 місяців тому +7

      In my own opinion The Breakfast Club was the most 80's movie ever

    • @gregoryhagen8801
      @gregoryhagen8801 10 місяців тому +1

      ​@@jessiej3991That's what "most" critics say.

  • @sethx9659
    @sethx9659 11 місяців тому +182

    Regarding your comment on Days of Thunder's constant product placement:
    As a racing fan, that might be one of the most realistic parts of the movie, because motorsport is absolute chock full of sponsors and advertisements; it is, at its core, what has kept racing going for so many decades.

    • @Busto
      @Busto 5 місяців тому +8

      I've always thought it ridiculous that NASCAR, Indy Car or any other major racing series for that matter, even bother with commercials. I have a lot of respect for the announcers who call out cars by their numbers rather than their sponsored products

    • @PanderingSlats
      @PanderingSlats 4 місяці тому +7

      ​@@Busto Racing telecasts still have commercials because it costs much, much more to fill ad breaks than it does to keep the lights on for a racing team.
      You do occasionally have title partners who volunteer to cover what would otherwise be ad breaks, but that hinges on an advertiser having a vested interest in promoting their business/product, to a point that they can afford to cut a deal with the broadcaster.
      You might also be surprised how out of touch and/or greedy racing series are, that they don't throw their weight around to secure broadcast deals with a better viewing experience.

  • @EpicBeard815
    @EpicBeard815 Рік тому +1265

    moral of the story: whether they're directors or producers, if you give some guys that are probably coked out of their minds a couple hundreds of millions of dollars and then look the other way, you're gonna have a bad time

    • @Turnoutburndown
      @Turnoutburndown Рік тому +28

      A powerful lesson indeed.

    • @stefanforrer2573
      @stefanforrer2573 Рік тому +1

      well, it worked a bunch of times before and after..... i mean at least 70s, 80s and early 90s, cocain was the only thing keeping hollywood running

    • @matthewhearn9910
      @matthewhearn9910 Рік тому +84

      Give those same cokeheads a sub-20 million dollar budget, though, and you force them to be creative. Limitations plus absolute confidence in their weirdest ideas for compromise (usually involving the phrase THIS WAS ALWAYS HOW THE MOVIE HAD TO END) is how we got some of my favorite oddball movies of all time, especially in the 70s and 80s.

    • @cejannuzi
      @cejannuzi Рік тому +8

      The budget was 60 million dollars.

    • @mcg9573
      @mcg9573 Рік тому +3

      Oh boys...

  • @AubriGryphon
    @AubriGryphon Рік тому +860

    I would argue that the fact that Rocky doesn't win is what makes it such a wonderful movie. It's not a traditional sports movie where the underdogs make a come-from-behind one point victory. It's about a man regaining his self-respect, which hits so much deeper.

    • @Redmenace96
      @Redmenace96 Рік тому +65

      Exactly. He becomes a winner. The boxing match is just a formality.

    • @josebrown5961
      @josebrown5961 Рік тому +18

      Yes and the second one was just a cash grab. When the “Joe Palooka” actually wins it kinda ruins the thing.
      Now I kinda enjoyed Rocky III but I can’t put it or any other Rocky movie in the same category as the original. You can include the Creed films in that as well.

    • @danculbert6349
      @danculbert6349 Рік тому +13

      @@josebrown5961Balboa is pretty good

    • @josebrown5961
      @josebrown5961 Рік тому +3

      @@danculbert6349 I don’t remember to be honest. I pretty much checked out after Rocky III.
      In “Balboa” he can’t be fighting anyone can he? I mean Rocky has got to be in his 60s. I guess since George Foreman did it in real life…

    • @danculbert6349
      @danculbert6349 Рік тому +18

      @@josebrown5961 It’s a bit of a silly conceit, a computer simulation predicts that Rocky even at his old age could beat the current world champ. But it’s probably the most somber and realistic since the first one

  • @chrisrobin268
    @chrisrobin268 Рік тому +181

    What makes Rocky such a great movie is that he didn't win the match but, instead, won so much more. The perfect underdog story.

    • @fredwerza3478
      @fredwerza3478 Рік тому +14

      I think that's why people love 70's movies so much --- it wasn't about glitz and glamour and always winning --- it was about the simple things

    • @rainy7106
      @rainy7106 11 місяців тому +12

      @@fredwerza3478 I think you could really see that sort of sensibilities in storytelling as a product of its time. 70s were a time of economic uncertanity, cities were generally at their worst, and politics were very blatantly tumultuous. It humbled people in a way, and made people appreciate those simple things and the beauty of the journey.
      The 80s starkly contrasted those values, probably due to the economic boom that was expierenced and the general political domiance of the Republican Party. It was a decade of glitz and glamour, of businessmen and cocaine. Everything must be gaudy, must be at its extremes, must be firing on all cylinders. No more would the simple suffice, and no more did the journey matter, it just mattered where you ended up. And if you ended up anywhere but the top, you failed.

    • @LordVader1094
      @LordVader1094 9 місяців тому +3

      ​@@rainy7106And because of that the 80s had some of the best films ever made.

    • @bobbiecat8000
      @bobbiecat8000 6 місяців тому

      ​@@LordVader1094 like what?

    • @Maxwel_Rodrigues
      @Maxwel_Rodrigues 4 місяці тому +1

      In the Brazilian dubbing they change the ending of the movie, Rocky won the fight in this version 😂

  • @joetrapp9187
    @joetrapp9187 11 місяців тому +62

    The fact that Don Simpson threw David Miscavige off a set absolves him of all his sins. He's in heaven now with Lassie.

    • @nospoon4799
      @nospoon4799 9 місяців тому +7

      What did Lassie do to the Scientologists? Did he find Shelley? He's a goood goood boy.

  • @squidcaps4308
    @squidcaps4308 Рік тому +168

    What is understated is how big of a deal the first Batman was. The symbol was everywhere. It was like a week when Batman went from camp to cool and all it took really was that one pre-release poster.

    • @camerongage1237
      @camerongage1237 Рік тому +21

      Stallone once said that Batman marked the end of the muscle man type action hero. He may have not been totally correct but he was on to something.

    • @justaman9724
      @justaman9724 Рік тому

      Stallone was right about these fake muscle superheroes taking over.

    • @MightyAvengingLeo
      @MightyAvengingLeo Рік тому +14

      @@camerongage1237 I'd say the action hero replaced the Western hero, while the superhero replaced the action hero. All three have something in common -- a single hero or small group of heroes confront an injustice, corruption, or evil of some sort. They have the skill, power, or courage to face impossible odds and win.
      The heroes and villains follow different tropes but the plot dynamics are the same. All three genres are wish fulfillment for people who'd like to change the world or save the world but can't.

    • @rocketrockstar8171
      @rocketrockstar8171 Рік тому +6

      I remember queueing up for ages to see Ghosrbusters and Gremlins!

    • @Porkleaker
      @Porkleaker Рік тому

      Only understated if you didn't live through it lol.

  • @kingofcapp
    @kingofcapp Рік тому +666

    I worked at a home theatre / car audio installers in the 90s. We used DOT and Top Gun exclusively to demo our surround systems. DOT was basically an industry standard for home theatre demos.

    • @haleymist09
      @haleymist09 Рік тому +14

      That's pretty interesting!

    • @ryurc3033
      @ryurc3033 Рік тому +52

      I still remember my friend set up his first digital surround sound setup. He wired the left to the right, and right to left......so you would see something going right to left on the screen but hear it going left to right .......

    • @cory2477
      @cory2477 Рік тому +5

      @@ryurc3033 Appears to be perplexed.

    • @wiremuwifebash
      @wiremuwifebash Рік тому +31

      Honestly, 35 years later and the movie STILL holds up on 4K Blu-ray in that aspect.

    • @danandkiko
      @danandkiko Рік тому +3

      I remember seeing that as a consumer then!

  • @MrReese
    @MrReese Рік тому +436

    I feel like Tony Scott was the real reason why these films were so good. They looked incredible, the shots and the scenes were astonishing and beautiful, it was really high quality action cinema. And, of course, the music was usually extremely well chosen, which also helped a lot.

    • @adblue8955
      @adblue8955 Рік тому +48

      People always sleep on Tony Scott. His stuff was always really solid. Unstoppable is super underrated as well

    • @Fredrik-iz4ou
      @Fredrik-iz4ou Рік тому +7

      I wonder why he committed suicide.

    • @wildmarks
      @wildmarks Рік тому +1

      one of the most stylish directors to ever do it

    • @rickdeckardbladerunner2049
      @rickdeckardbladerunner2049 Рік тому +8

      I loved Days of Thunder! That Hans Zimmer score was epic! Tony Scott is legend. A true artist.

    • @fredericmigneret4211
      @fredericmigneret4211 Рік тому

      He had cancer apparently @@Fredrik-iz4ou

  • @rhanemann9100
    @rhanemann9100 Рік тому +65

    I worked at an exclusive health resort in the 1980s and Don Simpson was a regular. He visited often to dry out. I liked him and he seemed to like teenaged me. Most people feared him. I actually talked to him about this film because he came to stay just after re-shoots and I couldn't comprehend how they would make the premiere date given how tight the timing was. He took the time to explain to me how films are duplicated and then shipped by "Federal Express".
    The book about Don (High Concept) made a lot of sense when I read it 25 years later. Live fast, die hard - and he did.
    I wish they would make a film about his life because it would probably make "Wolf of Wall Street" look tame, but word is that Jerry Bruckheimer will use his power to quash any effort.

    • @Wired4Life2
      @Wired4Life2 8 місяців тому +9

      I bet Bruckheimer might hesitate to quash a pro-Bruckheimer biopic proposal, in which he's the one who tries and ultimately fails to rein in Don Simpson, akin to how the surviving members of Queen influenced _Bohemian Rhapsody's_ production to have their younger selves try to rein in the late Freddie Mercury's rockstar excesses.

    • @mummyjohn
      @mummyjohn 5 місяців тому +5

      Yeah I just finished the book, and do wish to make a movie about Simpson. Cool that you got to talk to him and hear his mindset first person. Lol why is "Federal Express" in quotes...I'm pretty sure they are actually used to ship the movies

  • @WestPictures
    @WestPictures 11 місяців тому +258

    This is like an alternate universe version of Nostalgia Critic where Doug figured out how to light a set

    • @zackarysullivan9019
      @zackarysullivan9019 11 місяців тому +4

      😭

    • @VanTheDestroyerer
      @VanTheDestroyerer 10 місяців тому +2

      @Istuckmyheaddownthetoilet🤣 I was gonna say Simon Whistler filling in for N.C. myself, lol!​

    • @mrbanks456
      @mrbanks456 10 місяців тому +16

      But is way less funny.
      I just found this guy and he's alright.
      But I came for film history/analysis and every 10 mins or so there's a boring scripted segment.

    • @LayneBenofsky
      @LayneBenofsky 10 місяців тому

      hehehe.

    • @Maggot39967
      @Maggot39967 9 місяців тому

      21​@@zackarysullivan9019

  • @mg6945
    @mg6945 Рік тому +254

    Days of Thunder has one of the all time best Cruise hairstyles. The most recent Mission: Impossible uses that hairstyle for his old ID, cause even Chris McQuarrie understands that.

    • @nataliedube1665
      @nataliedube1665 Рік тому +11

      Lol thank god other people realized this

    • @jameswatson5807
      @jameswatson5807 Рік тому +5

      Dam right man has that ryu/ken look..

    • @lightningmcdweeb
      @lightningmcdweeb Рік тому +5

      What a gorgeous mam

    • @MapleJames76
      @MapleJames76 Рік тому +2

      @@nataliedube1665 HAHAHA

    • @akeleven
      @akeleven Рік тому

      The Young man, The Young man, The Young man!
      Someday women will get their own stories! ( Flashdance, Alien). Maybe I'll start going to the movies again.

  • @KayButtonJay
    @KayButtonJay Рік тому +46

    Beverly Hills Cop is such a fucking good time. I miss movies that didn’t look like it was the most expensive movie ever made, had a killer lead star, was funny in a laid back way, and did the basics well.

    • @thegardenofeatin5965
      @thegardenofeatin5965 10 місяців тому +2

      Beverly Hills Cop might be a better example, I often cite Benny & Joon as a "show up to a location and point cameras at actors" movie. I'm struggling to remember the last time I've heard of such a thing; movies have to be crammed full of sets and costumes and special effects...A lot of Benny & Joon and indeed a lot of Beverly Hills Cop is they showed up at a location and pointed a camera at some actors. And they made good films.

    • @gabbar51ngh
      @gabbar51ngh 7 місяців тому +1

      Cheap movies still get made but they get no attention.

  • @Advent3546
    @Advent3546 Рік тому +70

    Nobbles: *exists*
    Patrick: *intense glaring*

    • @Wired4Life2
      @Wired4Life2 8 місяців тому +1

      Is Nobbles the Don Simpson of this video essay. and Patrick the Tom Cruise?

  • @Lights_Camera_Facts
    @Lights_Camera_Facts Рік тому +99

    It's crazy that Days of Thunder had a budget of $60 million dollars when Jurassic Park cost $63 million just three years later.

    • @moappleseider1699
      @moappleseider1699 11 місяців тому +18

      It's not crazy at all when you understand how much those cars cost, how much it costs to maintain them, track fees, helicopters used to film etc. I mean it isn't Top Gun, but its not cheap either.

    • @srujan00
      @srujan00 11 місяців тому +4

      Total Recall had a budget of around $80 million, also from 1990.

    • @RogueBoyScout
      @RogueBoyScout 11 місяців тому

      I imagine the insurance premiums for the actors probably ate up. A fair bit of the budget.
      Then there are the cars themselves. It's not like The Blues Brothers where they just buy a bunch of sh1tboxes and add some livery... Add in actors pay, the crew basically being out of a stage and on an outdoor set, which happens to be a working racetrack, for most of the film. Then Craft services, security, trailer rentals...
      We haven't hit list production yet....
      Then you have the marketing..
      And THEN you have the Cocaine!
      Yeah, I believe it.
      Well I think I.made my point.

    • @devilmikey00
      @devilmikey00 11 місяців тому +8

      ​@@moappleseider1699 Not sure if this was a thing in the 80's but the US military will let you use their equipment in a movie as long as the movie is suitably pro-military. So, given how masturbatory Top Gun is those jets and aircraft carriers probably cost nothing.

    • @moappleseider1699
      @moappleseider1699 11 місяців тому +7

      @@devilmikey00 It was. The US Navy has said on several occasions that Top Gun boosted recruitment to a ridiculous level. In fact, they set up mini Naval recruiting stations outside the movie theatres

  • @thedevilinthecircuit1414
    @thedevilinthecircuit1414 11 місяців тому +132

    This video perfectly captures the 2020s world of You Tube Retrospectives: dramatic lighting of the set, added stock video clips, slick transitions with music and sound effects, and a presenter that looks and speaks exactly like Michael Stevens and Simon Whistler.

    • @TheMelonbros123
      @TheMelonbros123 11 місяців тому +16

      Yeah, really annoying

    • @Zooropa_Station
      @Zooropa_Station 11 місяців тому +14

      Putting it out there just in case, but he's playing a character. The turtleneck, the fake set/"show" and PA, etc. It's pretty tongue in cheek.

    • @x5pyke
      @x5pyke 10 місяців тому +8

      Was originally interested in the video as Days of Thunder is definitely a film I enjoy, but the moment they threw in the skit and made a comment about the presenter hating Star Wars, I stopped watching.
      Joking or not, they're directly trying to profit off of the "character" of Simon Whistler and it's a bit... scummy. If you have to play a character to appeal to your audience, then you're not appealing to YOUR audience.

    • @CopiousDoinksLLC
      @CopiousDoinksLLC 10 місяців тому +2

      @@Zooropa_Station Putting it out there just in case, but imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Even if he is being "tongue in cheek", a stylistic choice is still a choice nonetheless and in this case, it's not one I have to respect or appreciate in the name of 'satire'.

    • @scorpioassmodeusgtx1811
      @scorpioassmodeusgtx1811 10 місяців тому +7

      And somehow manages to spend a lot of time saying absolutely fucking nothing.

  • @nickfield1569
    @nickfield1569 Рік тому +66

    1. Jerry Bruckheimer spent decades away from Paramount, but finally returned in 2019 with the Will Smith flop Gemini Man. In 2022, he produced Top Gun: Maverick for them and the far, far, far less successful Secret Headquarters for Paramount+. So next year, with the Beverly Hills Cop legacy sequel, Bruckheimer will finally fulfill that 5th Paramount movie
    2. Days of Thunder may very well be why Tom Cruise doesn't have an Oscar. In 1989, he was gathering a ton of momentum off "Rain Man" (where he wasn't nominated) and then earned the best plaudits of his career in Oliver Stone's "Born on the Fourth of July". Cruise was on the cover of TIME Magazine, and the Oscar front-runner. Yet he spent so much time on the set of Days of Thunder, and sparked so many rumors with Nicole Kidman (Cruise was still married to Mimi Rogers at the time) that Daniel Day-Lewis won instead. To date, Cruise still hasn't got that Oscar
    3. I don't trust that Nobbles

    • @majorpwner241
      @majorpwner241 10 місяців тому

      The Oscars, all movie awards, and professional critics are all trash. Too much politics, as stated above, too little talent or passion for anything involved.

    • @Wired4Life2
      @Wired4Life2 7 місяців тому

      @Istuckmyheaddownthetoilet Unfortunately, at the cost of _Tár_ and especially _The Banshees of Inisherin_ winning nothing.
      Tom Cruise will have a better chance at winning an Oscar as his action acting days wind down. Winning Best Picture for producing _Top Gun: Maverick_ would've been such a sweet 1st win, likewise for Jerry Bruckheimer.

    • @gabbar51ngh
      @gabbar51ngh 7 місяців тому

      Don't think Cruise cares about Oscars.

  • @hendo337
    @hendo337 Рік тому +78

    That Tony Scott/Simpson/Bruckheimer narrative style lived on in and died in The Rock (1995) which carried the formula with Cage/Connery perfectly.

    • @NoidoDev
      @NoidoDev Рік тому +3

      Yeah, but other movies in the 90s felt similar. Maybe not the old formula, but still similar and very good.

    • @brazil-y2y
      @brazil-y2y Рік тому +2

      Enemy of the State? Last Boy Scout?@@NoidoDev

    • @ikecarr5989
      @ikecarr5989 Рік тому +2

      Con Air. Armageddon. Deja Vu.

    • @brazil-y2y
      @brazil-y2y Рік тому

      No Deja Vu for me but yep I think these films were really the tail end of Hollywood action cinema before Comic Book movies took over and the rot set in inside Hollywood. While not very 80s or bruckheimer, we had a little John Woo doing some of HK stuff, then action movies mostly died a death with fast cut crap@@ikecarr5989

    • @alanguages
      @alanguages 11 місяців тому

      It continued on with guys like Michael Bay and Stephen Sommers.

  • @mattsherlock9636
    @mattsherlock9636 Рік тому +378

    People keep saying certain things are dead, but I have another view. Everything go through cycles, people get tired of a thing it gets replaced by another thing which they get tired of and someone introduces something new that more often than not is just the old thing they got tired of that they had forgotten. Everything comes back eventually, Westerns are "dead", yet I see them on TV with the immensely popular Yellowstone and in movies with countless low budget dramas you can find in any dollar store. After this cycle of Streaming Content crashes and burns through their money, studios will return to old tricks (mid-budget pictures, thoughtful cinema) and if/when that is successful they will do it until they get a new get rich quick idea that work for a bit until they ruin it though over exposed. That is not a value judgment, I love me some Blockbuster Cheese but we have to take a break from it once in a while. It always come back, art usually does.

    • @katherinealvarez9216
      @katherinealvarez9216 Рік тому +15

      So at some point, I will get my Fairy movies?

    • @Renegade-kf8fp
      @Renegade-kf8fp Рік тому +2

      there were no such thing as originate at any point

    • @mattsherlock9636
      @mattsherlock9636 Рік тому +3

      @@katherinealvarez9216 Depends on what you mean by fairy movie, but probably.

    • @terrylandess6072
      @terrylandess6072 Рік тому +22

      One man's dead is another man's love interest. Getting tired of these videos making statements about thing I lived through and the creators did not - they just see part of the picture through someone else's viewpoint.

    • @Noodlyk18
      @Noodlyk18 Рік тому +12

      Exactly right, trends in art tend to cycle. Things get popular, radically different things start popping up as an answer to the popular thing, which then becomes popular, and so on. You only need to look at the rise of Superhero movies and their recent decrease in popularity, which was followed by the massive success of Top Gun Maverick, which is at the core just a simple but well made action movie, audiences get fed up and starve for something different, but the different thing is rarely something completely unique and never done before, it's usually something that used to be popular, and the cycle continues.

  • @brigidwell
    @brigidwell Рік тому +44

    Two movies that come to mind as ending the 80's were Batman and Heathers (both released in 1989). They introduced the kind of darker characters, visuals, and aesthetics and the non-idealistic worldview that were coming into fashion.

    • @zimriel
      @zimriel 11 місяців тому +7

      Heathers, certainly. Inasmuch as Jack Nicholson was the star of the 1970s, Christian Slater delivered Nicholson's revenge against John Hughes.

    • @Mario_N64
      @Mario_N64 10 місяців тому +1

      And Sex, Lies and Videotape.

    • @Lwydius
      @Lwydius 10 місяців тому

      Less Than Zero - a film about the darker side of the eighties.

  • @LaKbiz
    @LaKbiz Рік тому +21

    There is actually a 80's montage sequence in Day of Thunder, playing Gimme Some Lovin's by The Spencer Davis Group. It's not technically a real 80's montage sequence as you can hear the characters talking to eachother but they establish how the relationship between Cruise, Rooker and Duval get tense over multiple races. There is even Don Simpson throwing a middle finger to Cruise in this sequence, very short but it's there.

    • @waltersobchak8080
      @waltersobchak8080 10 місяців тому +5

      And this song was later used in the opening credits of Rush as a cameo to Days of Thunder

  • @kyleissuperdupercool
    @kyleissuperdupercool Рік тому +663

    Don Simpson is the physical embodiment of the "coke-sniffing executive" people like to allude to when talking about hare-brained Hollywood decisions.
    Case in point, at some point during the pre-production of this movie, the main characters were almost certainly named Dick Trickle and Harry Hogg.

    • @NickMichalak
      @NickMichalak Рік тому +39

      As Cosmo Kramer would say, "Here's to feeling good all the time!"

    • @jop4833
      @jop4833 Рік тому

      Nick Mullen beautifully described Don Simpson on cumtown

    • @ShirDeutch
      @ShirDeutch Рік тому +31

      Was he the inspiration for Tom Cruise's character in Tropic Thunder?

    • @kyleissuperdupercool
      @kyleissuperdupercool Рік тому +28

      ​@@ShirDeutch I think that was Weinstein

    • @randyd7836
      @randyd7836 Рік тому +59

      Robert Altman had this to say about Simpson:
      "A true fraud…a pompous, pretentious a-hole…a f-ing drunken disaster. I’m only sorry that he didn’t live longer and suffer more.”

  • @Nightstalker314
    @Nightstalker314 Рік тому +98

    Everytime people talk about Hans Zimmer's popular scores they leave out this movie. For the most part his work here is really solid.

    • @ladolcevita6645
      @ladolcevita6645 Рік тому +7

      Black Rain is another forgotten Hans Zimmer score. There's a piece of the score in Black Rain that Zimmer recycled for Nolan's Batman films.

    • @v-trigger6137
      @v-trigger6137 Рік тому +3

      ​@@ladolcevita6645 both Black Rain and Days of Thunder are Scott brothers most underrated films

    • @rickdeckardbladerunner2049
      @rickdeckardbladerunner2049 Рік тому

      I think the Days of Thunder score is one of his best. The scene when Cole goes to see Claire at her car...wow! The little things in movie scores make films rewatchable over and over.

    • @ragnarsrevenge3248
      @ragnarsrevenge3248 Рік тому +1

      There is an interview with Zimmer around the time he did Inception where he talks about how bad he thought his DOT score was. Go figure.

    • @rickdeckardbladerunner2049
      @rickdeckardbladerunner2049 Рік тому

      ​@@ragnarsrevenge3248
      Yea, I remember that one. I dont always like my early work. I get that. If the fans love it, you have to dig that.

  • @TheMokeleMbembe
    @TheMokeleMbembe Рік тому +188

    Wow those shots of Patrick on the street at the end are legitimately gorgeous. The lens, the color, the composition...

    • @kutz206
      @kutz206 Рік тому +39

      "Look at that subtle off-white coloring. The tasteful thickness of it. Oh, my God. It even has a watermark"

  • @xChristine
    @xChristine Рік тому +107

    I might be biased because I'm a NASCAR fan (and driver), but I love Days of Thunder. It's actually a pretty iconic film in American racing culture (not just NASCAR). I was 9 when it came out, and I was so hype for it. In 1990, NASCAR was still seen as a pretty "fringe" sport. So, it was exciting for NASCAR fans to get such a big spotlight on the series. When DoT came out, I had all the toy cars and everything else (I still have them)... and I remember watching NASCAR races with the cars from the film out there getting b-roll for the movie. I mean, it isn't a *masterpiece,* and I really don't think it tries to be. It's obviously Top Gun in Race Cars. But, before Days of Thunder, the best NASCAR movie (imo) was Stroker Ace, which is awesome, but is kinda goofy and doesn't really portray stock car racing in a serious light. And, though Talladega Nights kind of refreshed NASCAR's presence in Hollywood in more recent years, Days of Thunder is still seen as a pretty important part of NASCAR racing culture... for better or worse. There are a LOT of one-liners from the movie that still get referenced in NASCAR broadcasts and among race crews like, "loose is fast," "rubbin' is racing," or "nothing stock about a stock car" - three phrases that resonate with people who are into stock car racing. Just a couple weeks ago, my car builder told me he's going to "shape [my car] like a bullet" xD

    • @ig8083
      @ig8083 11 місяців тому +11

      Right? They made NASCAR look incredibly cool and you could understand why people love the sport.

    • @Surannhealz
      @Surannhealz 10 місяців тому +10

      Don’t doubt your instincts. The movie was incredible.

    • @tnt201123
      @tnt201123 10 місяців тому +4

      Only car guys will understand "days of thunder" an he is SOOOOOOOO not🤷🏿‍♂️. Love DoT 1 of my favorite car movies of the 80s. Not to mention vanishing point,2 lane black top, American graffiti, gone in 60secs, an all the fast an furious's tho people think they over did it🤷🏿‍♂️

    • @NiederDrifts
      @NiederDrifts 10 місяців тому +1

      Thank you for this. I clicked on the video like how is such a good movie so destructive like whaaat

    • @majorpwner241
      @majorpwner241 10 місяців тому +4

      This isn't even a slightly controversial opinion. It's a good movie.

  • @ChaseDorman
    @ChaseDorman 11 місяців тому +160

    its always a bald dude with glasses and a turtleneck

    • @krisoko
      @krisoko 10 місяців тому +9

      Steve Jobs lives on

    • @stephenmcdonagh2795
      @stephenmcdonagh2795 10 місяців тому +8

      Pumpkin Latte looking... And sounding.

    • @gregoryhagen8801
      @gregoryhagen8801 10 місяців тому +9

      The pseudo- intellectual look.

    • @Mr-__-Sy
      @Mr-__-Sy 10 місяців тому +2

      Dude this is the guy from the mindblown meme

    • @d.1.a_mayby18
      @d.1.a_mayby18 10 місяців тому

      I apologize ahead of time.
      "Did anyone think to give him a sock in a book?"

  • @psychlops924
    @psychlops924 Рік тому +273

    One thing you didn’t talk about, that many videos on the NASCAR corner of UA-cam have, is the impact this film had on NASCAR itself. NASCAR was riding a wave of growth at the time, becoming less of a regional sport in the South, into a national one, and this film really kicked that off. Heck, growing up (I was born in 92) I thought that Cole Trickle was supposed to be Tom Cruise playing Jeff Gordon. Jeff didn’t start racing full time in the Winston Cup series until 93 though, but his career looks like what you’d imagine Cole Trickle would have gone in to become.
    Throughout the entirety of the 90’s and the first half of the 2000’s, NASCAR grew so much that it became the second most watched sport in America, only behind the NFL. You can actually see a ratings spike start after the release of Days of Thunder, and the spike starts to drop, curiously enough, around the release of Talladega Nights, and ratings have been in a free fall ever since.
    I’d recommend “Why Days of Thunder Was Awesome (And Always Will Be)” on Brock Beard’s channel to get a full take on it, but I’d say this movie is unique in that it had more impact on the sport it portrayed than any other sports movie in history.
    I’d appreciated hearing more of the behind the scenes, thanks for sharing!

    • @nightflyer3242
      @nightflyer3242 Рік тому +15

      Holy moly, you've just jot a memory of mine. Jeff Gordon was what got me into NASCAR when I was a little kid in the late 90's, so when I saw Days of Thunder on HBO, I totally believed that Tom Cruise was portraying Jeff Gordon.

    • @JDEdwards2331
      @JDEdwards2331 Рік тому +2

      Great post

    • @TMC1982Part2
      @TMC1982Part2 Рік тому +11

      I always heard that "officially", Tom Cruise's character in Days of Thunder was loosely modeled after Tim Richmond and Geoff Bodine.

    • @DoctorJammer
      @DoctorJammer Рік тому +25

      NASCAR was absolutely NOT the "second most watched sport" at any time. That statistic came from a nascar marketing firm. Also, nascar has one event per week while MLB, NBA, and NHL have over 10 per day. Ratings only looked at per event so yeah that one event per week might be higher than particular mlb game, but overall millions watch the other sports over NASCAR.

    • @6Haunted-Days
      @6Haunted-Days Рік тому +4

      Christ then this movie should be reviled for spreading that cancer 😮‍💨🤡

  • @andyscott5277
    @andyscott5277 Рік тому +68

    I think the movie that was really emblematic of the transition point from the dark and gritty 70’s to the stylish and flashy 80’s was the underrated "American Gigolo." The film had one foot in the 70’s and the other in the 80’s. Combining the steely cinematic auteur vision of writer/director Paul Shrader (Taxi Driver) with the production of Jerry Bruckheimer, complete with driving montages powered by Blondie/Giorgio Moroder’s pop hit "Call Me."

    • @notmarealnameboi
      @notmarealnameboi Рік тому +10

      Good example. Mann's Theif is similiar imo.

    • @jonaseggen2230
      @jonaseggen2230 Рік тому +9

      For me, and I guess most non americans, Bladerunner is more importaint and more 80's than Rocky. Rocky is a 70's film made in the 80's. Pure nostalgia.

    • @kimberlyvespa
      @kimberlyvespa Рік тому +5

      @@jonaseggen2230Blade Runner is the best movie of all time!!! Still beautiful!

    • @mummyjohn
      @mummyjohn 11 місяців тому +3

      @@notmarealnameboi Thief nails that straddle, total seventies "gritty" crime saga but all the lighting and music of Miami Vice that was yet to come

    • @mikesteelheart
      @mikesteelheart 10 місяців тому +1

      "The Driver" from 1978 also is similar in that regard from a stylistic standpoint.

  • @SweatyOracle
    @SweatyOracle Рік тому +19

    This was filmed about fifteen minutes from where I grew up and my aunt (who owned a horse farm) took Tom out riding multiple times and said he was very kind but wore huge lifts on his shoes hahahha

  • @SvdSinner
    @SvdSinner 11 місяців тому +27

    It kills me that you repeatedly say Top Gun started with a montage to Danger Zone. The starting montage was done to the Top Gun Anthem.

    • @Wired4Life2
      @Wired4Life2 8 місяців тому +4

      Technically true, but the anthem doesn't arrive at its main melody until Maverick and Goose are informed that they're going to Top Gun. More _"Top Gun_ Anthem (Overture)", if we're being honest.

    • @stacksmalacks8826
      @stacksmalacks8826 4 місяці тому +1

      Thats not true. It begins with the Top Gun theme then within 10 seconds or so when the afterburners are lit for takeoff Danger Zone starts playing and then plays for a good minute

  • @derreckpressley1165
    @derreckpressley1165 11 місяців тому +12

    Here are two reasons Days of Thunder cost 3x what Top Gun cost, Reason #1 Tom Cruise's salary, an upfront payment, plus writer credit. Reason #2 the crashed real cars in Days of Thunder; they aren't cheap...no jets were harmed in the making of Top Gun.

    • @Clarence_Oddbody
      @Clarence_Oddbody 3 місяці тому

      Top Gun also had millions in free production assistance from the Navy.

  • @LonkinPork
    @LonkinPork Рік тому +131

    I don't really have a question (Hi Emma!), but I *_NEED_* the details of how Nobbles came about.
    Whose idea, whose design, who built him, WHY DOES HIS NOSE HAVE ARTICULATION, I love him so much and I'm excited for this year to - potentially - usher in the Nobbles Era, I just need the behind-the-scenes nitty gritty

    • @awl23
      @awl23 Рік тому +14

      You are not alone. I put Nobbles on my family's Christmas card this year.

    • @averyhinks1799
      @averyhinks1799 Рік тому +3

      THIS

    • @cory2477
      @cory2477 Рік тому +2

      A wel, mannered white family?

    • @jordandokolas2374
      @jordandokolas2374 Рік тому

      Check out Camerasauce. He posted detailed videos of Nobbles' creation!!

    • @benmillward7765
      @benmillward7765 Рік тому +4

      Is Charl hidden inside Nobbles' head!?

  • @vaclav4435
    @vaclav4435 Рік тому +64

    Thinking it over, the first JJ Abrams _Star Trek_ movie from 2009 is essentially a throwback to the era of high concept/Cruise pictures. It doesn't quite use everything in the rubric Ebert outlined, but at the end of the day Pine's Kirk is the Tom Cruise figure, Quinto's Spock is the initial rival-turned-friend, Pike and Nimoy's Spock are the mentor figures, and so on. Looking at the movie with this lens...well, it doesn't make me like the movie, but it explains what Abrams was trying to do.

    • @webheadwonder9597
      @webheadwonder9597 11 місяців тому +11

      Beastie Boys Sabotage on the soundtrack. Definitely agree that it was calling back in style

    • @therexbellator
      @therexbellator 11 місяців тому +5

      Great analysis!

    • @brandaohimself
      @brandaohimself 11 місяців тому +2

      Both top gun and that star trek movie are some of my favorite movies to watch.

    • @foxtayle446
      @foxtayle446 11 місяців тому +1

      Ah Jar Jar Abrams, one of the nails in the cinema coffin.

  • @АскарКульчанов
    @АскарКульчанов 11 місяців тому +10

    I like how light shines from his bald head.

  • @votekyle3000
    @votekyle3000 Рік тому +10

    Patrick, I’m really glad you made this episode. UA-cam recognized this is NASCAR related and showed it to me. Now I’ve watched about four years of your videos on Nebula this week

  • @somethinburnin
    @somethinburnin Рік тому +10

    "Dick" Trickle hailed from Wisconsin. Was actually a damn good driver. Especially short track. He also raced snow sleds for Yamaha Factory team in 1970s.
    He was also infamous for having a cigarette lighter and ash tray in his cars.
    Sadly he would be diagnosed with lung cancer. In his grief, which also was connected to the death of his daughter prior, he called 911, told them who he was, and where he would be found, and he ended his life by his daughter's grave.

    • @TweezersUnlimited
      @TweezersUnlimited 10 місяців тому

      The thousand time winner, for real

    • @extragoogleaccount6061
      @extragoogleaccount6061 10 місяців тому +1

      He also famously won so much in lower series he had no desire to go to the higher-paying NASCAR Cup series for some time.

  • @geimzz
    @geimzz Рік тому +58

    Days of Thunder makes me feel proud of being American despite not being an American

  • @keithquirk9823
    @keithquirk9823 Рік тому +9

    No offense Patrick but when I think Top Gun I don’t think of any of the things you listed. I think of two things and that’s Mav and Goose singing along to 1950s love songs like “You’ve lost that loving feeling” and “Great balls of Fire”. The second is the death of Goose and me crying. Anthony Edwards and Meg Ryan absolutely ground Top Gun with a look at true love and being incredibly charming. Goose is the message to Maverick that being the best isn’t always what’s most important. And that’s why Top Gun 2 is so damn good too. Goose is MY wingman. Also, Val Kilmer is the best!

  • @digitaljanus
    @digitaljanus Рік тому +94

    I mean, it's not like Top Gun had to pay for all those fighter jets and aircraft carrier crews...
    Great video Patrick & team!

    • @MrPiccoloku
      @MrPiccoloku Рік тому +3

      I love Hollywood's long-ish-standing financial relationship to the American military and police *Sucks in air through teeth*

    • @Skabanis
      @Skabanis Рік тому +2

      ….someone has to blow tax payers miney6

    • @cbspock1701
      @cbspock1701 Рік тому +1

      They did pay

    • @srujan00
      @srujan00 11 місяців тому

      didn't a stunt/test pilot get killed making TOP GUN?@@cbspock1701

  • @mrbadguy5040
    @mrbadguy5040 11 місяців тому +30

    As someone who loves this movie to death, im really glad you went in depth and gave this movie more than a review. Also im glad you guys like the score as much as I do too lol

  • @aspacelex
    @aspacelex 10 місяців тому +4

    I dunno if this is an appropriate topic submission form, but I would love to see a Pat vid on great filmmakers spending decades past their peak putting out experimentally and incompentantly weird work like Brian de Palma or Michael Mann.

  • @obrothernotagain4668
    @obrothernotagain4668 Рік тому +15

    I enjoy that you borrowed Nicole Kidmens backlit hair for your own shoot, even if your hair is just a touch less big

  • @cartilagehead
    @cartilagehead Рік тому +58

    that "VISIONARY ALLIANCE" presser. Jesus, they were on *that* much cocaine

    • @Bluelink13
      @Bluelink13 Рік тому +11

      And that was before the second Cocaine assistant!

    • @MariaVosa
      @MariaVosa Рік тому +7

      It's hilarious that after that hype they got to produce 1 movie for Paramount, which made the deal crash and burn worse than race cars in the movie

    • @SamAronow
      @SamAronow 2 місяці тому +1

      What is that in kilograms?

  • @FrankieProkop
    @FrankieProkop Рік тому +33

    "Tom Cruise drives cars good" is ABSOLUTELY a harbinger of doom, what are you talking about. (Lol.)

  • @TastierBackInThe80s
    @TastierBackInThe80s 11 місяців тому +9

    Say what you will about the Simpson/Bruckheimer formula, but the one thing that Top Gun Maverick missed the mark completely was the OST. The soundtrack for both TG and DoT are dopamine thrill rides.

    • @Wired4Life2
      @Wired4Life2 7 місяців тому +1

      Probably because...it didn't have to depend on the iconic shot-calls of its songs like the 1st film did?
      As hilariously-iconic as the "Playing With the Boys" volleyball scene is, pretty much everyone grasps that the "I Ain't Worried" dogfight football scene has more story purpose.

  • @needsLITHIUM
    @needsLITHIUM 11 місяців тому +5

    I had 4 favorite movies as a kid: Teenage Mutant Nunja Turtles, The Karate Kid, Demolition Man, and Days of Thunder. I still love all of these movies to this day. I caught Days of Thunder on cable TV around the same time I was discovering a budding love of motorsports, which I had inherited from my father, who got it from his father, who was one of the bootleggers turned street racers who was part of the pioneering of NASCAR. My grandfather got caught, and joined the USAF, serving in WWII in lieu of doing time. My grandfather was one of very few non-pilot, non-combatants (he was a mechanic on an air craft carrier in the Pacific theater) who got confirmed kills, shooting down strafe funs with his side arm instead of goin into the hanger. My dad, my grandfather, and I used to watch those movies over and over. My grandfather passed in 2006, and his wife joined him last night. I'm a little nostalgic and caught up today. I may cry for an hour or two, js.

  • @tunamelts7875
    @tunamelts7875 Рік тому +31

    This is *far and away* the best Days of Thunder deep dive I've ever seen!

    • @osmanyousif7849
      @osmanyousif7849 Рік тому +2

      One that you shouldn’t keep your “eyes wide shut”….

    • @jp3813
      @jp3813 Рік тому +9

      How many are there?

    • @Jffeeney3rd
      @Jffeeney3rd Рік тому

      I saw it was 53 minutes and was both thrilled and confused at the same time, haha.

  • @tacla
    @tacla Рік тому +64

    As a layman i love that i found your channel bc you articulate all of the loosely formed theories i think about of movie and cinema culture

  • @sombraarthur
    @sombraarthur Рік тому +13

    IDC about Tony Scott, Jerry Bruckheimer or Don Simpson, but those in the KNOW, know that Days of Thunder is not far off from the 80's - 90's professional racing scene, and this is why it is THE MOST REPRODUCED MOVIE in racing tracks, ever.
    So, Days of Thunder is not only a classic, it is absolutely FANTASTIC as a movie and plot.
    Thank you, Tom Cruise and all the other actors, you made us, racing fans and racing drivers very, very happy for the past deaces.

  • @Aidyba81
    @Aidyba81 11 місяців тому +12

    The side skits really take the viewer out of your narrative.

  • @jeffcarlin5866
    @jeffcarlin5866 Рік тому +16

    Days of Thunder is one of my favorite movies. The music is great; Cruise and Duvall are cool; the energy is palpable; the story works on all levels; and, yes, every frame is a masterpiece.

  • @melissaharris3389
    @melissaharris3389 Рік тому +7

    Thing I always remember about the best 80s films is the gorgeous cinematography with emotive music playing over long takes and quite scenes. These movies have mood.

  • @vincentbatten4686
    @vincentbatten4686 Рік тому +13

    "Death of the movie star. You know, feel good topics the entire family appreciates" I agree without sarcasm.

    • @pennyfarting
      @pennyfarting Рік тому

      I _kind of_ agree, but the new breed of adver-content brand-celebrity that's replacing them, which Patrick talked about in his recent video on Dwayne Johnson and Ryan Reynolds, is _so much worse._

    • @SIPEROTH
      @SIPEROTH Рік тому

      In the end the fact that this movie that seemed like average at the time is still like a masterpiece of something good to watch for the night in-frond of any new movie thrown up by Hollywood today just tells you the miserable situation we currently are at.
      I was a cinephile from young age and yet they made me lose interest. I actually stopped watching movies now.

  • @therantingboy
    @therantingboy Рік тому +5

    We wouldn't have got Duvall talking to cars in Gone In 60 Seconds without Days Of Thunder

  • @JoseMorales-lw5nt
    @JoseMorales-lw5nt Рік тому +8

    Funny enough, the Simpson/Bruckheimer formula of movie making during the 80's had a television counterpart. I give you Michael Mann and his NBC gem known as MIAMI VICE. Entertainment for the MTV Generation!😂❤

  • @lizb7271
    @lizb7271 10 місяців тому +1

    13:26 The song and video being played on MTV to promote the film worked for me. Growing up long after Top Gun came out, my first real awareness of the film came from seeing the video for Take My Breath Away. I have fond memories of my mum pointing out the Kawasaki GPz900r Ninja.

  • @gruwidge
    @gruwidge Рік тому +98

    Something about this video looks especially gorgeous. Maybe its the lighting or colour grading but only a few minutes in and this seems like one of your best looking videos!

    • @LoganBonneryt
      @LoganBonneryt Рік тому +8

      The lighting is literally perfect

    • @juliadandy6019
      @juliadandy6019 Рік тому +4

      Was thinking the same! Looks specially beautiful

    • @GeomancerHT
      @GeomancerHT Рік тому +6

      Maybe it's 90% of it are stolen scenes from an actual movie?

    • @PowerLineOfficial
      @PowerLineOfficial Рік тому +2

      The lighting is ass when it's him. I think they were going for an 80s look but the overhead light is making the speakers face go in and out of focus over and over and over.
      It actually gave me a headache watching on my TV.

    • @PowerLineOfficial
      @PowerLineOfficial Рік тому +2

      I legit laughed out loud at this.

  • @lewisanderton8062
    @lewisanderton8062 Рік тому +32

    So for the Patrick Replies video, how do you think Top Gun: Maverick compares to all of this? For all of its references to the first film, and generally being praised as a nostalgic throw back to 80s cinema and films of that sort (which I think it definitely was in a lot of ways), something about it just felt different to the first film and 80s cinema as a whole. Of course both Tony Scott and Don Simpson weren't involved, and it was made in a very different time period, but I was never able to put my finger on exactly how those differences impacted the final film. Any thoughts?

    • @Flashfm3000
      @Flashfm3000 Рік тому +19

      One key difference - Top Gun: Maverick actually IS the kind of character-focused movie that Simpson and Bruckheimer claimed they were making with Days of Thunder.

    • @rickdeckardbladerunner2049
      @rickdeckardbladerunner2049 Рік тому +9

      Top Gun Maverick respected the older characters, which is rare these days. The film look is more modern too. They could have used the old contrasty Kodak film stock orange and blue look, but took a more modern look. I think the happy and hopeful ending is very much an 80s thing too. There is a formula for the 80s scripts too. If you are into writing scripts, the film Die Hard is one of the best to study.

    • @chrismartin3197
      @chrismartin3197 Рік тому +1

      I don’t get all the love for TG:M. It was nothing but callbacks. I’d take the original over it all day (even if it doesn’t have real in-flight cockpit shots)

    • @PDXpackrat
      @PDXpackrat Рік тому

      @@chrismartin3197 I think it is more complex than just comparing it to the original Top Gun. You probably were unaware of this at the time TG:M came out. Cinema was actually at risk of dying out completely due to Covid. There was very little content coming through the release pipeline because the studios were convinced that nobody would go to a theater during a pandemic (they were somewhat right about that). A number of overzealous governors imposed rules specific to the theatrical presentation industry that made it almost impossible to show a movie even if you wanted to.
      At the movie theater that I worked with, the screens went from a seating capacity of 50 down to an allowed seating capacity of 6 thanks to our governor's rules specific to the industry. It meant that even if we had the content, and even if we "filled" the screen with 6 guests, we couldn't make enough money to even justify being open for business. It took MONTHS for the governor to relax her restrictions where we could seat 12 in a screening where once we could seat 50. By that point, most movie-goers had been conditioned to just watch content on the streaming services (and why wouldn't they at that point).
      Then along came Top Gun Maverick, a movie where FINALLY we had some content that was worth seeing in a movie theater, and it came at a time when the restrictions were finally loosening up. Top Gun Maverick was the first real HIT of that year, and I say with all seriousness - I think it rebooted the cinematic industry.
      That's why the movie gets my love. It was a decently good movie (with a lot of callback/nostalgia and a plot eerily reminiscent of the Star Wars attack on the death star), but its timing was so important. I think a lot of people love it for this reason.

  • @yoadrian12
    @yoadrian12 Рік тому +53

    First off, this is a highly interesting piece and I was not aware of the Don Simpson BTS drama. Always cool to see this movie highlighted. However, some keys aspects of the story were left out. So much of the movie is based on events that actually happened in real life, just altered by location or timing (the highway patrol officer scene occurred in a race shop IRL) to help fit the movie. Cole Trickle is a hybrid of Rick Hendrick’s first two drivers Geoff Bodine and Tim Richmond. The movie itself depicts loosely how Rick Hendrick (Randy Quaid’s character) formed his team. Winning at Darlington to save the team in the movie was what Hendrick needed in 1984 at Martinsville and is now the winningest team in NASCAR history because of it. Mr. Hendrick also helped supply all the cars needed to create/wreck them which added heavily to the expenses. In order to get some footage they actually had to enter the cars as official NASCAR entries, meaning they actually had to qualify for the legit races which with film equipment attached was a really difficult task. If you go watch the 1990 Daytona 500 you can see them highlight the cars a few times prior to lap 100 where they had to peel off and not interfere with the competition for the outcome. The reason the tone and structure is different than Top Gun is largely because Cruise wanted to fit as many scenes he and Hendrick had talked about into the piece as they have a close relationship to this day. They actually reunited in 2009 for the 25th anniversary of Hendrick Motorsports to drive the 46 car around Daytona. Cruise also surprised Jeff Gordon at his final NASCAR banquet when he retired from racing in 2015. The film is much more focused on adapting a real life story rather than trying to be “Top Car” because of how influential Mr. Hendrick was to it and how much Cruise admired him hence the writing credit to fit it all in.

    • @fredlabosch5164
      @fredlabosch5164 Рік тому +8

      Thanks man, that is some really interesting and unusual background information to one of my all time favorite movies. Love it! 💯👍

  • @arenjake7485
    @arenjake7485 11 місяців тому +2

    In the new commentary of Saw, Cary Elwes was asked which movie had the best catering and he immediately said Days of Thunder, adding that they had Ice Sculptures in the food area.

  • @vaportrails7943
    @vaportrails7943 Рік тому +5

    The thing is, those 80s movies hold up better than most other eras, and definitely better than any since. And it really started with Star Wars. As it turns out, those archetypal hero stories where the good guys win are archetypal and “overdone” or “cliched” because that’s what people really want to see. It’s easy to do poorly, but very hard to do well. And for a brief time in the 80s, it was done well. But there were other great types of movies, like the original Terminator, which is (perhaps a controversial view) one of the best movies ever made. The skillful combination of genres (sci fi, horror, action) was another good trend in the 80s. The sci fi premise also nailed the issues of the future like few others have. But that’s a different subject.
    Things that become “formulaic” do so because they begin as something that works. It’s only when they’re handled poorly and the focus is lost that they fail, as Days Of Thunder demonstrates.
    I think a lot of it was that people felt like they had seen the movie before, and NASCAR wasn’t as interesting (or high stakes) as fighter pilots. Instead of merely copying the core elements that actually make stories work, while giving them a new context, they copied the superficial elements and just tried to copy and paste it.

  • @christopherulichney
    @christopherulichney Рік тому +22

    I have two takeaways from this video. First, Emma is a badass who uses a circular saw. Second, you mentioned Roger Ebert in passing and I would like to know your thoughts on Ebert and Siskel "At the Movies" and how the celebrity movie reviewers affected the movie industry. I can't count the amount of movies that I went to see because of their showcasing the movie for me. They were my gateway into cinema as an art form.
    Now I'm off to watch the HOLIDAY SPECIAL.

    • @mandi8345
      @mandi8345 Рік тому +3

      The problem with any critique is when people take it as gospel instead of treating a given critic as one should....as a person, with their own likes and dislikes, sharing their opinion, not as written in stone fact but merely for your consideration. You're not supposed to agree with a critic off the bat, thats silly. You should get to know their tastes and styles and preferences. For example, Siskel wasnt particularly fond of CG animated movies and usually gave them a thumbs down, I however loved them. Ergo, if he didnt like them, I knew I had to see it. And not simply take his word for it that they were terrible. Otherwise I would have missed out on a number of my favorite movies when I was younger.
      Of course, that all falls down at people too afraid to have their own opinion or be seen as not having the good ideas because they did the wrong thing, as such they're just looking to be told what is good which they will parrot back to sound like the good idea having person. Then you have critics for hire, studio sycophants, and hangers on which just paint by number their reviews (strange lack of negative reviews in the past years.....probably because negative reviews mean a bad feeling and having the bad feels is illegal to youngins, allegedly). I mean, how many of the MCU ventures have been 'the next block buster thing!!!' uh lets see.....every single one of them. And what was the big hit movie 4 years ago that wasnt an MCU property? Yeah, I dont remember either. Or which MCU thing was in vogue for the week. Heres an exercise that will illustrate my point: go to IMDB do a filtered search limited only by a release being a "Movie" and the time frame of Jan 1st, 1995 thru Dec 31, 1996. Now, think of a line or scene from any of those movies. Now do the same thing for Jan 1st, 2015 thru Dec 31st, 2015.....and TRY to think of a memorable line or scene from any of those movies you could reasonably explain a synopsis of said scene to another person, that is not an MCU or Star Wars movie....and even then.... Ill bet one whole dollar that the first one will be difficult to choose just one, and the last one will be difficult to even remember one..... Movies were better back when the zeitgeist wasnt just sitting around regurgitating rally chants (while ultimately doing nothing except undoing history by asserting and inferring events didnt happen because of how terrible time before they were born was) waiting to be brain hacked or virtue signaled what the latest outrage is this month......
      Anyhoo, looping back around to the original point, "The average piece of junk has more value than our critique declaring it so" - Anton Ego, allegedly. But also, "The person is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals. And you know it!" - Agent K, probably. Finally, "People = shit" - Corey Taylor, definitely.

  • @seventhkeyomegasghost8233
    @seventhkeyomegasghost8233 Рік тому +4

    I'll tell you this, I rewatched this way more than top gun. This is more rewatchable.

  • @indianajim
    @indianajim Рік тому +13

    I owned and listened to the Days of Thunder soundtrack years before I ever saw the movie, and it remains one of my favorite compilations ever.

  • @unnf9971
    @unnf9971 11 місяців тому +16

    Great set lighting Patrick, really brings out the positive features of having a bald scalp. A 5 star production, Lightbulbhead.

  • @maxwaller2055
    @maxwaller2055 10 місяців тому +5

    *i had the model race car driven by Tom Cruise's character* - 5:06 pm Pacific Standard Time on Monday, 26 February 2024

  • @nataliedube1665
    @nataliedube1665 Рік тому +48

    I will, without shame, say I absolutely love this movie. It’s hilarious, the music is great, and the cast is iconic. Also I love the chemistry between the characters

    • @timberwolf27
      @timberwolf27 Рік тому +3

      Yeah I loved this film, and my country bumpkin middle of nowhere butt even noticed it was basically Top Gun with cars
      In like 1992 and I was 9 (pre internet youtube breakdown). Some things helped save the movie that arent technically good movie making, like brilliant actors- the way Duvall handles every scene and creates quotable lines out of the script at every cut and turn is brilliant, wonder how much sway he had to change lines...? I guess Nicole and Tom had palpable chemistry seeing as they got married? John C Reilly with barely 10 lines showing he's still cool to watch on screen in his early days. Randy Quaid being mental and Tom responding with great acting too to make you still believe Quaid? I am blabbing on now, loved it, great 1990 action flick, even today, just understand the film, you have to suspend disbelief for almost all films eventually

    • @Kevin_Street
      @Kevin_Street Рік тому +1

      @@timberwolf27 Since they were still writing the script during filming, they probably had to change lines a lot. Maybe Duvall had input into his lines.

    • @Replicaate
      @Replicaate Рік тому +1

      Ditto - personally I think its one of Tony Scott's best, alongside The Hunger, True Romance and of course, Top Gun. Its pretty, its loud, its got gorgeous sky and sunset colours, Tom Cruise's height is wildly inconsistent throughout, and that's what I came here for.

    • @timberwolf27
      @timberwolf27 Рік тому

      @@Replicaate Hehaha

    • @StsFiveOneLima
      @StsFiveOneLima Рік тому +1

      #MeToo

  • @sargonsblackgrandfather2072
    @sargonsblackgrandfather2072 Рік тому +18

    I remember seeing this as a kid in the cinema, it wasn’t very good but it looked beautiful. I was too young to understand it but I somehow knew it was supposed to be Top Gun in cars.

    • @cmc5394oparva
      @cmc5394oparva Рік тому +1

      There really was this odd fascination with "hazy sunset backlighting" shots in entertainment from about Top Gun-onwards as late as the mid-90s, especially in the Simpson/Bruckheimer collection. You even see the style pop up in music videos.

  • @bensneb360
    @bensneb360 Рік тому +45

    If they had a t-shirt of Patrick & Emma’s freeze frame… I would totally buy it

    • @goodial
      @goodial Рік тому +2

      either that or the Chloe and Patrick freeze frame in the end of the video! :D

    • @yurikana
      @yurikana Рік тому +1

      That is an interesting idea… To make t-shirts out of every freeze frame in films ever. Would be rather silly.

  • @Boomtendo4tw
    @Boomtendo4tw 10 місяців тому +2

    The freeze frame is capturing a moment in time. Creates a memory

  • @MisterDad9000
    @MisterDad9000 11 місяців тому +2

    Hear me out: Do a limited run of T-Shirts for Patrick Willems, but call them.....Nobble-Ts, hmmmm? HMMMM!?

  • @isud2000
    @isud2000 Рік тому +15

    "Days of Thunder is the Be Here Now of movies." Brilliant!

  • @BrendanJSmith
    @BrendanJSmith Рік тому +25

    I would actually LOVE to see you make a video on Heaven's Gate. It's been a subject that's just fascinated me the past few months. The biggest failure in Hollywood history.

    • @therexbellator
      @therexbellator 11 місяців тому

      I've also heard Ishtar was one of the biggest Hollywood flops ever as well. I wonder if it factors into the overall trend in Hollywood?

    • @kaed_f
      @kaed_f 2 місяці тому +1

      It's actually the pirate movie Cuthroat Island. But I've also heard rumblings that it might actually be Final Fantasy: Spirits Within and it might not actually be close but thanks to creative accounting it doesn't appear that way.

  • @DaySun88
    @DaySun88 Рік тому +42

    Thank you your videos are amazing you could’ve been so condescending so many people make fun of the formula but it’s profitable. Your videos are crazy informative and I love that.

  • @ogre77414
    @ogre77414 11 місяців тому +1

    @29:34 "Gimme some lovin"' montage was very memorable. "Oh this is gonna hurt", "Rubbin is racin", "Hit the pace car", "Eating ice cream" 🤣🤣

  • @costanzafaust
    @costanzafaust Рік тому +5

    I remember in the late 80's me and my friends thought of Tom Cruise as the guy who always plays "the best guy at doing the thing" - the best pilot, the best bartender, the best hustler - I think the first time I saw him play sort of a loser was the War of the Worlds remake.

    • @Mario_N64
      @Mario_N64 10 місяців тому +1

      He was also a loser in Born on the Fourth of July. And narcissistic hustler loser on Rainman.

  • @rouju
    @rouju Рік тому +9

    The video production is topnotch. Kudos. And Emma became more than a sidekick is also cool growth ha ha. Her work ethic is just wow

  • @xBINARYGODx
    @xBINARYGODx Рік тому +8

    When I was a kid, this was a great summertime HBO flick.

  • @JugaJuga14
    @JugaJuga14 Рік тому +18

    I feel like I have to say, as someone who has watched your videos for a long time and have grown to be a fan of your work, that you’ve really hit your stride with this format; it’s expressive, informative and engaging. However, I don’t know how much you take criticism on board, but I’d enjoy the videos a lot more without the breaks and constant asides to make jokes. I feel like it breaks up the flow of the essay, and I feel myself disengage when they happen. I hope this isn’t too harsh, but as someone who has watched you grow and develop as a creator and UA-cam personality I just I’d say my piece. Thank you.

    • @dogmanmusteat876
      @dogmanmusteat876 Рік тому +6

      Came here to say something similar. Patrick, I love your videos and everything else is incredible man. You present everything so well, and your commentary and insight is top notch.
      But jeez man, these sketches are painful lol. Gonna be brutally honest here, I found nothing here funny or creative. The humor in a lot of spots is basically “oh no she’s interrupting!”. The humor with the puppet is just, “oh no, a puppet that’s a caricature of you!” But there’s no real jokes or wit happening.
      And oh god….the acting. Ayyy papi! I know you guys are just messing around and everything, but it doesn’t have the energy of just messing around. It’s this weird middle ground between trying to do a proper scene, and goofing around that just makes it fall flat. There’s no “so bad it’s good” quality to it or anything.
      Suggestion: just get wild with it, go off the wall, get absurd, loosen it all up, and let your friends ad lib. Stop making them “act”. Anything to add some character and spice to these dull interludes.
      Don’t mean to go all serious critic on some UA-camrs goofin around, but you can do better man! You’re the best….around.

    • @ВладимирКруглов-к9о
      @ВладимирКруглов-к9о Рік тому +5

      ​@@dogmanmusteat876 Great dissection. The acting really is embarrassing, amateur level at best (and this best isn't even often) and the jokes fall flat all the time, I didn't chuckle once. And what was it that those interruptions were supposed to portray/convey? Why are they here at all? The thing they talk about doesn't call for them. It's like they fear seriousness, fear that serious things won't be popular and try (artificially) to mix (very questionable) humour into the narration. "I'm serious but I'm not serious" - ugh! Stick to the script is what I say.
      What's especially bad is that, on one hand, the episode is bloated, you can shave off at least 20 minutes without any drop in quality. On the other, there's no crescendo, the gigantiс flop of the movie in question is told about in a matter-of-fact fashion - no drama to it, "oh it didn't break even, pass the salt please". For a premise that this failure changed the course of the cinema history it's just unsatisfactory to the max! And what we get instead? Poor attempts at "acting" and metajokes. Most unpleasant. I feel cheated.

    • @laurapalmer7120
      @laurapalmer7120 Рік тому +7

      I was just about to comment that. Great video. But it’s not funny and I find it quite irritating.

    • @RS-cr3mu
      @RS-cr3mu Рік тому

      Agreed. Brutal. As far as the "acting" goes, the emperor has no clothes.@@dogmanmusteat876

  • @rocaswell
    @rocaswell 11 місяців тому +2

    "look at the way Nicole Kidman's huge hair catches that backlight".... Well, at least we know where the lighting dude for this video got his inspiration/sense of humour. Your dome is distractedly glowing like it's been lit for a Barbara Streisand romance.

  • @rasmus274
    @rasmus274 11 місяців тому +13

    The most insane thing i’ve learned from this video is that Ridley and Tony are brothers

  • @MrSteadiman
    @MrSteadiman Рік тому +7

    So brilliant and funny, Patrick RULES! I'm so grateful Patrick has been offering us such a-m-a-z-i-n-g videos for years this is just incredible work, honestly I'm stunned everytime single time. Thank you so much. I'm French and it seems many of my filmmaking friends don't know you for some reason. I'm always pitching them your work so they can finally enjoy the very best cinema essayist there is. Oh and those opening credits, man, I'm getting chills everytime they're epic!

  • @EddieHenderson92
    @EddieHenderson92 Рік тому +18

    Days of Thunder was a hit, kids were trying to collect the cars from Hardee's, NASCAR saw a bump in the ratings at the time and it was very much in the pop culture talk. I don't see how it killed an era or the 1980s. The culture started to change in 1991 and 1992 especially with music. I don't know if you can blame any movie for killing the 1980s.

    • @Largentina.
      @Largentina. Рік тому +9

      Did you make this comment before watching the video?

    • @RogueBoyScout
      @RogueBoyScout 11 місяців тому +1

      ​​@@Largentina. Yes.
      Yes he did.
      Dopamine is a helluva neurotransmitter...

  • @hendo337
    @hendo337 Рік тому +5

    Top Guns cost less to make because it was a fully DoD funded Navy commercial, I am guessing NASCAR's pockets weren't as deep as the Navy for their 90 minute Tom Cruise/MTV advertising extravaganza...

  • @cavejelly
    @cavejelly Рік тому +2

    1st video I've seen of yours. These non- sequitur cut-aways with non-actors are more jarring than cute.

  • @blah8934
    @blah8934 11 місяців тому +10

    Great history. Never knew about this movie or the fact that this was their downfall point. The moment you mentioned that there were too many cooks in the kitchen, I knew where this was going. Only to be fueled by further ego and inflated by drugs. Honestly they should make a movie about this whole fiesta a la Once Upon A Time in Hollywood. I think it would be like watching Wolf of Wall Street about the 80s peak ego drive about some crazy film makers and their crash and burn with Tom Cruise trying to damage control.

  • @hendo337
    @hendo337 Рік тому +6

    You completely ignored Red Dawn in that 1980s showcase. Obviously it was much better that Invasion USA. It was the first PG-13 film of all time and was an ultra violent lead in for Dirty Dancing and Ferris Bueller post The Outsiders.

    • @BrendanJSmith
      @BrendanJSmith 3 місяці тому

      Charlie Sheen's first movie and Lea Thompson has never looked better

  • @andrewwillems3886
    @andrewwillems3886 Рік тому +16

    If you payed Emma more... she might watch more movies. Great channel, I look forward to your Holiday Special. Always good to hear the name pronounced right, even if is missspelled in the captions.

  • @lamarfordjr
    @lamarfordjr Рік тому +9

    Now that you mentioned it. Les Grossman from Tropic Thunder is Don Simpson. Love your work!👍

    • @DanJackson1977
      @DanJackson1977 Рік тому +1

      Hes a bit more like Joel Silver.

    • @theobuniel9643
      @theobuniel9643 Рік тому +1

      ​@@DanJackson1977Actually, he was based off of Scott Rudin.

  • @PopeBrak
    @PopeBrak 10 місяців тому +1

    Hello Patrick & Team! Loved this video and have now gone back to watch a good amount of your back catalogue. You've got a great thing going, here, and I'm very glad to have discovered it. You give the appearance of having had a great time doing it, but many thanks for all the hard work. (Also, I'll now be forcibly removing 'because you seem to like NASCAR' videos from my UA-cam feed for a few weeks, but it's 100% worth it.) All the best to you and yours!

  • @guyl4231
    @guyl4231 10 місяців тому +2

    Written after watching the first 16 minutes:
    Dynamic video, informative, technically flawless, perfect speech rythm, great editing!
    Time to go back to watch the rest!
    The pseudo-script from 24:40 to 26:00 broke the spell as it might have been white powder induced.
    I quit at 30:00!!

  • @MrFish626
    @MrFish626 Рік тому +4

    That Be Here Now analogy was top notch, as a big fan of Oasis and their story, it was such a surprise to see them here. Good video!

  • @alanmcmillian
    @alanmcmillian Рік тому +5

    It probably has other precedent in films, but the "Proto-Enemy" has been codified in Manga and Anime for decades as the Shounen Rival. I.e. Vegeta, Kuwabara, or Sasuke.

  • @georgeabrahams4076
    @georgeabrahams4076 Рік тому +4

    13:50 are we sure Michael Bay is not a Jerry Bruckheimer's secret son? Cuz my god, they are so alike

    • @Laissez-faire402
      @Laissez-faire402 Рік тому

      Not to be a jerk, but considering that Michael Bay did his first five movies under Bruckheimer, this comment is WAY less clever then you think it is.

    • @georgeabrahams4076
      @georgeabrahams4076 Рік тому +2

      @@Laissez-faire402 I'm not trying to be clever, I never seeing Jerry Bruckheimer as a young man and seeing him, is like him and Michael Bay are identical. Is insane (also, they have 22 age gap, so is not a far strech)

  • @spudhead169
    @spudhead169 11 місяців тому +6

    Omg I had to stop at 3:30, I couldn't carry on. I cringed so hard both my shoulders dislocated.

  • @Hammerhead547
    @Hammerhead547 7 місяців тому +1

    The hilarious irony of Heaven's Gate is that it was UA who so thoroughly destroyed the film by twice sloppily editing it down to a "more commercial length" that it ruined the story and made the movie unwatchable, and then they dared to blame the director for it being a box office failure.
    After the original directors cut was released in the 00's pretty much every critic who had negatively reviewed it in 1980 gave the directors cut a watch and admitted that had they been presented with that version instead of the butchered down versions they saw in theaters they'd have given it rave reviews.

  • @pwykersotz
    @pwykersotz Рік тому +18

    I really like the credits for who worked on this at the beginning. It's cool to see everyone who worked hard on this.

  • @rycolligan
    @rycolligan Рік тому +8

    I can't watch episodes from this season without commenting on HOW FUCKING HARD Metolius's theme goes. ABSOLUTE BANGER. Every time I'm just like "Goddamn I wish that was my theme."

  • @calebscoolreviews
    @calebscoolreviews Рік тому +8

    Every NASCAR fan was waiting for you to bring up Dick Trickle

    • @BrendanJSmith
      @BrendanJSmith Рік тому +1

      I would LOVE to see the venn diagram for Patrick H Willems fans and NASCAR fans!

    • @RowingFrontal5
      @RowingFrontal5 Рік тому

      RIP Dick

  • @gunraptor
    @gunraptor 11 місяців тому +1

    New viewer here.
    I appreciate the production value of your skits, but could you put bookmarks in the video of "chapters" so that viewers who are limited on time to skip the skits and get straight back to the content?
    I'm not saying not to do the skits...I like them, and they add character....but when time limited I'd rather be able to just get to the point.
    Anyway, thanks for the video. You earned a new subscriber here!