Hello folks, as a number of you have mentioned the Hilux Rogue does indeed have a disc rear end, apologies for the oversight/confusion. However, the Hilux's braking performance can't match the others, even with the same hardware!
It's possible for toyota to make the engine sound less when hard on the gas pedal but when the engine has more noise silencers a driver feelsbso comfortable forgetting the much strain they are giving the engine and that is why ford ranger and amarok engines don't stay longer than the hilux
@@aaronbutao9543 cost it cost money to sound deaden a car, toyota is the worst at putting any sound deadening technology in any of its vehicles, profit over anything else is the reason. The worst warranty period as well cost savings old technology for the longest time cost savings old passenger safety in structural design cost savings, money used to flood the media with smoke and mirrors.
@@paulmcintosh5589 say whatever u say dude, we still choose the Hilux....that's my choice, ur Ford and Amarok....they mean nothing, they're built for little princess.... HILUX FOR THE MEN
I ended up buying a sr5 hilux over everything else. Just get in and drive nothing complicated about it and no silly annoying features. Great Ute for the business.
It’s funny the most risky part of any business is driving, yet safety seems not to be raised in this area. Toyota would only manage 3 stars in a 2020 crash test. Toyota rushed to get the 19 test done till 24 the results are worse in that test than Dmax Mazda ranger and amarok did in the strict 2020 test.
@paulmcintosh5589 Safety starts with the driver. Everything else is a bonus. I'm not sure which Hilux you're referring to, but my SR5 has a bucket load of safety built into it, considering it's fundamentally a 4WD Ute. Again, it's a Ute, not a cotton wool box. P.S. I'm an ex Audi VW Porsche Technician. If I won one, I'd sell it straight away.
Totally agree Josh - I actually own a 2010 Auto diesel Hilux with very little tech to go wrong ‘out there’ because it has a conventional handbrake, analogue dials and old style aircon - the elephant in the room is that the new Ford Ranger is already giving owners grief with failing digital instrument panel and stopping dead at 80km and we know that bogun Ford have happily joined Land Rover, Mercedes and Jeep at the bottom for poor reliability - wouldn’t touch a VW with a barge pole - Toyota Hilux every time.
They keep doing this nonsense of comparing new gen car to old gen competitors, how about they wait the others to catch up and then compare are new gens?🤷🏻♂️
@@carsales stop rewarding poor vehicle standards by toyota they do nothing to set the benchmark in any area, firstly safety, than power, capacity, technology.
We have the Wildtrak, coming from a Discovery. We really love this Ute, it is quiet, smooth, great to drive, comfortable, economical and it tows great. It is a much better vehicle than I was expecting. I was worried when we jumped the gun before waiting for the Amarok, but knowing it has a more sporty ride, I read that as more firm I’m relieved as the last think we would want is harder harsher ride.
Great reviewing. First one I’ve seen where someone actually covers the day to day practicalities like odds and end storage, bottles fitting in holders properly, and the benefits of actual buttons! (Rather than just talking about “scratchy” plastics like most other reviews!) 👍
A mate of mine has a new hilux with less that 10,000km on it Arrived last September, one of the first with the safety upgrades to match Ford features. here is no comparison when it comes to fuel usage. The Hulix kills the ford/Amarok platforms. He has never been above 11.5 lt per 100km even with real offroad driving. the 3lt ford motor is up to 30lt per 100. Towing comparison I cannot comment on at the moment but will be able too in the next 6 mths
@@darrensmith4661you haven't got A clue mate my v6 amarock is always between 7 and 9 litres per hundred unless l an towing the Toyota has less power and still uses more fuel 😂
Toyota will last longer, will be more reliable and retain more resale value.... because it is simpler. I don't own a truck but just love seeing reviews.
not exactly the case, just because its underpowered and the interior hasnt been changed since 2017 dosent mean its better it means its old, it wont retain more resale value, at the moment the rangers are holding value as well if not better than the hilux
Found the review quite contradictory in its conclusions / comments, having driven all three, the Rok is without question the better executed when it comes to refinement, suspension and handling - Ranger is a brilliant all rounder, just a step behind in terms of seat comfort and perceived quality - really feel sorry for the Hilux, if I wanted a truck that assured me of never breaking, she’s the one, but just too hard to live with if you want as a car as well as a work horse.
Matt Campbell from therightcar? Says about the Hilux...Sorry to break it to you, but it's not the best 4x4 pick-up. It's not even close. While it might be improved over the standard HiLux, a lot of the old niggles and annoyances remain. It rides better, yes, and it looks tougher than ever. But this grade is more expensive, has a lower payload, and doesn't have a power bump over the standard models. It also has a slightly more impressive cabin, but it's SO FAR BEHIND THE TIMES in terms of interior design, technology and finishes, that it feels like it is stuck in the late twenty-teens. It's also got shorter service intervals than most utes, and still rides horribly, in comparison. So why would you choose it over any other ute? You tell me. I'd love to hear anything other than "because it's a Toyota", "great off road", "best resale value", or "unbreakable".
GOOD HONEST REVIEW. NO BS. I BOUGHT A SSANGYONG MUSSO ELX XLV. WITH THE 2023 REXTON SPORT MOTOR, & SOME OF THE REXTON DASH STUFF. SPORT AUTO ASIN G/BOX. EASY TO DRIVE IN MANUAL MODE WITH THE TOGGLE ON SHIFTER. FARMER. AVG 7.9 KM P/LT UNLADEN. ALL HWY SPEEDS, NO CITY DRIVING. $41,120 WITH PAINT COLOUR, PPF, INTERIOR PROTECTION, & W/TINT ALL ROUND. & H/DUTY TOWBAR. 7 YR WARRANTY/UNLIMITED KM. $350 CAPPED SERVICE TO 45,000 KM EVERY 12 MONTHS. DIDN'T HAVE 75K. BUT THE AMOROK LOOKS THE CHOICE OUT OF THE 3. I DID GET A GREAT DEAL THOUGH...
Fellow musso driver, couldn't be more happy with the thing.. just recently paid 37K for a '22 ultimate luxury with 6xxx on the clock, can't match that value
I feel like this was sponsored by Ford. The Wildtrack equivalent to the Amarok is the Aventura When comparing double cabs, please do include some off road (does not have to the most difficult ones}
Any time these reviews say something bad about old vehicles like the Hilux, all I see are less things to fix and go wrong 20 years down the line. Hydraulic steering = able to steer when the vehicle isn't turned on. Less tech = more reliable Less tech = lower weight Analog instrument = timeless and easier to replace
@@anthonyfarnan5935 incorrect, the current ranger has many different changes to its chassis, wheel base is longer shocks different rear structure is different 6400 gcm the cab is built with new stronger materials.
I wouldn't buy a 5 year old modern diesel including Toyota, unless I knew how every k was driven. My neighbours wife drove their Colorado 800 metres up the hill every day of the week to work. They traded it in with 48k kms on it. Poor bugger who bought it.
Dusted air box, shit disc rotors, terrible suspension set up from factory, poor seat position shoulder it’s Bpillar hit your head on the roof getting in and out terrible GCM, poor safety standards compared to these.
@@jamesdol certainly debatable given that Isuzu and triton are more reliable, triton has had the longest running warranty for 20 years yet no accc issues no court cases so you debate is mute.
WIth the hilux you are paying for the reliabiltiy of it, such as the manual seats compared to the ranger, in my opinion the hilux is still a reliable work horse UTE, but with the other two they feel like a car/Van
Seems to me that the Ford and Amarok are going the same way as Landrover.. all cuddly and soft and dare I say it stay close to a dealer with all the extra frilly stuff… I like my analogue gauges… road feedback and agricultural grit to my trucks.. keeping the touch screen fad to a minimum, with the marketing drive modes.. still fancy a Hilux.
The only issue I have is that this comparison doesn't really factor in the reliability and durability of the cars over the longer term. It is relatively easy to build a car that drives nicely and has fancy gizmos but far harder to build one that will last 20 years and still keep going. The Ford and VW's are nice trucks but surely a much greater emphasis, if making any recommendations, should include long term ownership and reliability. Also to criticize a car for having fluid power steering is mind boggling. Off road in particular being able to feel different undulations is vital. I rarely post on UA-cam any criticisms but I feel this comparison misses the mark for potential owners of this type of car
There are not many things you can buy these days that will last you 20-odd years to be honest and I don't know many people who still drive a 20-year-old vehicle from new. Unfortunately these days nearly all new vehicles have a heap of tech to keep them going under the bonnet. But I think you are referring to the screens and buttons or lack thereof? I also think that these manufacturers have been around for a bit longer than any of us, to be honest. Surely they would have some past experience they can build on when it comes to manufacturing a vehicle regardless if it's Toyota, Ford or VW. Just my thoughts anyway. Either way, I think all of these reviews are biased to some degree. Just read the comments on here and you will see different opinions and views on just about everything. The people doing these reviews are no different off camera IMO.
you cant review it based on previous models as things change and add different stresses to different parts, if they did what you are implying the hilux would win because both the ford and vw are a completely new veichle and what your implying would mean the fact that the hilux is a dinosaur compared to the other utes would be overlooked which shouldnt be the case, the hilux is very much behind and needs to catch up..
@@calebvanderbijl6738 not really the point I was making. There is nothing wrong with highlighting the track record of reliability and durability of the maker in question. It is one of the major factors is buying any car or truck. Obviously you can never be sure 100% but it nearly always pans out. It’s easy for a manufacturer to throw lots of toys at a product to lure people to buy but in nearly every case when you go back years after use and when these things are outside of manufacturer warranty the same goodie filled car or truck is exhibiting the same reliability issues and the dinosaur is still plodding on doing what it’s designed to do. It seems there are now two truck designs. One for posing on road and the other that needs to do the rough stuff too. It’s easy to make the aforementioned comfy and car like…
Give me any time at Toyota Hilux living legend, the best ute I’m 64 year-old and this is my 4th Hilux you can’t beat it. I sold my last Hilux almost for the price that I bought. oh, what a feeling 👍👍👍
The infotainment system has a button on the steering wheel that once pressed you can verbally turn up or down heating and many other verbal controls so no need to touch the screen or take your eyes off the road.
Hmmm doesn’t the Toyota Hilux Rogue have rear disc brakes? I thought that was the part of their upgrade? Another different point of view about the Ranger and the Amarok suspension again, seems like nobody seems to agree about which one does what on different roads. Very confusing.
Yes the reviews of the Ranger and the Amarock do sort of swap between reviewers but the constant is the Hilux id far more of a Lowlux in this segment very expensive for what you get.
I want to hear if these reviews are not sponsored , it's like Ausie car reviewers are in a race to promote the Ford Ranger. It's a nice bakkie but if you hear the praises you think it's out of this world, far above Toyota and nobody mentions reliability
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Have to disagree re interior, IMO Amarok is way better than Ranger. All these vehicles are premium dual cabs and have some of the best cup holders on the market, but if you plan on keeping outside of warranty I’m willing to bet you’ll need deep pockets!
Everybody keeps saying the Toyota reliability, unbreakable.... that was in the past... not now.... I work in the mining industry and see all the hilux utes with electrical problems as soon as the roads get muddy...they are not what they used to be...
What should be considered is the base model Amarok has pretty much all the high teir features and ranger cut them out . Base models would be a great comparison for money value
You're saying you don't want to bash the Hilux, but that's all you've been doing. As someone who has driven all of these vehicles and also an owner of the Hilux, you actually feel more bumps on the Amarok & Ranger. As a subscriber, I love your reviews, but You are being way too harsh on a Hilux. Ford probably paid you a lot of money for this review. Anyways. They are all good Utes to own.
I just compared a Wildtrak vs PanAmericana back to back, and the WT was hands-down the most compliant, comfortable ride. No point the VW having a sporty, responsive feel when you’re feeling every ripple in the road surface. Super noticeable on the same urban road, so would be unbearable on corrugations and poor road surfaces. Doing long km drives for work throughout regional WA, the choice for me was a no-brainer. Also has the added reassurance of a dealer in most regional centres. Interior layout on the WT is also a lot more practical.
Personally the massive infotainment screens and lack of physical controls for things such a climate control really turn me off from a purchasing a new ute atm
@@ktmsports get your silly ax off the internet, Ford has number one truck 46 years straight. You just here talking to be talking. If you don't believe Elon Musk, then he said the same thing "Ford has the best trucks "
What’s with the 80s style rear sway bar hanging down low on the rear diff, great toyota Engineering after thought. Most modern 4x4s have them up high over the top or auto disconnecting.
This is the issue with a lot of car reviews, I would suggest that the bias towards Ford has been purchased, hence the continued statements of being a market leader. There have been so many documented issues with the next generation Ranger starting at cost, delivery times, technology issues, tail, shaft issues Overheating, and in some cases, complete engine and brake shutdowns and yet car reviews continue to say it is a market leader. The cost alone on all of these vehicles is astronomical and completely out of the range of the average family of which the Ranger especially was allegedly meant to be designed for, designed with Australian families in mind was the quote. So long as we have certain consumers who, like a pack of rampant teenage fans keep buying these overpriced vehicles, which in some cases all come out of the same factory thinking that they are getting a bargain , dealerships will continue to push what is substandard products at the exorbitant prices completely robbing Australian consumers. When you think for 98,000 you can buy a ram which is like driving a couch compared to the Pokey Little Mid spec vehicles presented here for roughly the same price, it’s any wonder large American vehicles are becoming more appealing, while more budget conscious buying is going towards LDV and GWM
The legend king of all pick up trucks still the hi lux. The best pick up in the world. Wherever you go in the world. Artic Sahara Middle East Africa Amazon down under. Pick up is there first choice. Not talking about sporty looking handling design performance. The important is about the quality reliability affordability usability. In off roading survival long expedition travel. Hilux won’t let you down. My nice have Ford and it will not last 5 years. Overheat transmission solenoid electronics gunk carbon. My 16 years old hilux still perfectly run. Just do the basic maintenance check and cleaning regularly. Oil change Tires Coolant Cleaning valves Engine bay air flows Filters Just like your automatic riffles 😅
Good review. Love the new Amarok which is making the Ranger look a bit dated already. Might get one once they've worked out any bugs that come with a first release model. Also, regarding the comparison between the Hilux and the others, you are comparing newly released first gen models to a last gen model in the Hilux. The mid size truck segment in Australia is only starting to see the massive change from workhorse to everyday driver with comfort in mind. If the Tacoma in the USA is any indication of what to expect from the new Hilux, then Ford and VW and all others in this segment will be in for a rocky ride very soon and enjoy it while they can.
Only if they can fix the reliably issues with the turbo on the new Tacoma. Been reported the only way to replace it is to remove the body from the chassis! Not so great then😕
The current Hilux is the best it’s got to offer at the moment. Can’t wait around for years till Toyota come up with something that can compete with the present line up. The show must go on.
Comparing an end-of-run Hilux with a couple of brand new competitors is a bit sus. Come back in 18 months and do the comparison. The new Hilux will trump the Ford and VW. Besides, the Hilux has better reliability, higher resale, and the best bang-for-bucks ! 👍
Vw clearly did a better job with ford , than Mercedes did with nissan 😮 im going to have to compare any differences in seat comfort to justify the price difference
Hey guys ,this discussion is interesting. At the ministry in my country, we have ford and hillux,though manual, current years. Hillux of today have similar problems like rangers, not like old school hillux which didn't have much electronics with simple drive trains. The only difference is that working on hillux is simple, cheaper and every where whereas fords are complicated to work on, needing very specialized technicians
@reginalnaidu3571 I actually own a next gen V6 wildtrak and it's been flawless, brings a smile to my face everytime I drive it. The Ranger is the most sold vehicle in Australia atm about 5,000 a month sure there will be some lemons every now and then but for the large majority it's happy motoring.
I couldn't agreed more, however for me they are all overpriced! I wish the Navigating system could be a bit higher, like 10/13 cm higher, I don't care about the size, because the way that has been designed, it's really hard to drive and keep look at it.
Hmmmmm,,, looks like a Ford sponsored commercial to me - I actually own a 2010 Auto diesel Hilux with very little tech to go wrong ‘out there’ because it has a conventional handbrake, analogue dials and old style aircon - the elephant in the room is that the new Ford Ranger is already giving owners grief with failing digital instrument panel and stopping dead at 80km and we know that bogun Ford have happily joined Land Rover, Mercedes and Jeep at the bottom for poor reliability - wouldn’t touch a VW with a barge pole - Toyota Hilux every time.
How bizarre that you didn't address the fact that the Hilux is still only a part-time 4x4. A wet highway with a load in the back you want all four wheels putting power to the ground. The Toyota's inferior payload, antiquated 4x4 system, engine that was barely salvaged after the massive DPFgate class action makes me wonder why people would even consider it. The Toyota should be $60k maximum against the two modern V6 opponennts that have AWD availability like every 2023 4x4 should have.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m not exactly sure what we are testing here. I can appreciate a comparison between the Ranger and Amarok, but the Hilux isn’t in the same post code, let alone ball park. It’s junk compared to the other two utes.
To my toyota friends who are still living in the era when the hulix was king with its L series engines, you all need to wake up out of your deep sleep an just admit the facts that the ranger is a cut above from about 2007 - upwards. You Toyota people like to talk about reliability sure if you are talk about about the L series 2L,3L,5L anything after that is rubbish 1kd, 2kd, Kz not mention the c series 2c,3c,😂. My humble opinion hilux fans there is a new king you all can lie to yourself but the facts don't lie, you may sometime in the future become king again but for now your just a part of the royal family 😂.
There is no denying the Ranger has everything covered: its looks great, has a modern interior, new techs etc, however its those intangible qualities that makes the Hilux the best ute to own, its reliable, durable, unrivaled dealer support. The Hilux is the choice for people who are serious about off-roading and over landing. I would not touch the Ranger when my life is depended on it.
I find these reviews interesting. A focus on Can a drink bottle fit, when clearly these vehicles are designed for soccer mums with their lattes. So yes the takeaway latte cup will fit. Why not talk about how Ford had issues but they’ve been addressed, if indeed they have. Why not question how GWM can make a deliver into country a vehicle for 20 grand less.
Work mate has owned a Toyota Hilux rogue for 2 years and as of today is getting rid of it. As he says, “ For 70k+ there’s too many things that aren’t refined and has had fixed.” Has pros and cons but the cons should be addressed for such an expensive vehicle. As for this review I heard, Hilux having 20% less power but same fuel economy. 😵💫
So what your telling us is the Ford and VW are the same car but in different clothing. Same architecture and motor, but different interior and exterior design.
The true test of any vehicle is not how they are on the day you buy them but what are they like 4 or 5 years later. I’ve been in a position to be able to buy new pickups every 3 years and am on my 4th Toyota. But I have friends that I go hunting with who have older vehicles and I can tell you an Old Ford is not a nice thing to drive around in compared to a Toyota. The build quality is far superior in my experience.
We all like Toyota reliability and reputation, but unfortunately it’s dated than the other cars 😢. It’s dated and doesn’t compare interiorly and drive compared to the other two. Toyota has a lot of catching up to do and it’s a hard reality. The ford feels like an SUV, it’s really that good especially with that V6 engine
Hahaha well ya can't say hands down old mate, till ya take your amarok and ranger to the cape(Cape york) Toyota rain supreme up here reliable and doesn't full apart than all other 4wds 😂😂😂😂hands down the lad in this video should do a 4wd comparison of all three cars up here would be good 👆🏾👍🏾👌🏾
Love the comments lol,the ranger is winning every vid I've watched meanwhile in the real world everyone wants the hilux,Ford must be giving these motoring shows a fortune for their reviews and to ignore the track record on reliability,yes it's more comfortable and more modern so you will be in a lovely seat while waiting on the breakdown lorry 😂
Do the wildtravks have different srats to the other models?? Sat in a everest over the eeekend and very disapponted in the seat length as did not support lower hamstring area..
I have the feeling that these auto journalist are all reading the same press release. No one seems to get these bad boys on the lift and check protection (bash plates), metal thickness, corrosion resistance. They are all focused on infotainment. Nothing about aftermarket bolt on accessories and etc. Sorry boys, but you need to tell us something, which is not in the spec sheet.
Hello folks, as a number of you have mentioned the Hilux Rogue does indeed have a disc rear end, apologies for the oversight/confusion. However, the Hilux's braking performance can't match the others, even with the same hardware!
It’s funny that toyota fans point this out yet the most important fact is it’s not meeting the latest safety tests
It's possible for toyota to make the engine sound less when hard on the gas pedal but when the engine has more noise silencers a driver feelsbso comfortable forgetting the much strain they are giving the engine and that is why ford ranger and amarok engines don't stay longer than the hilux
@@aaronbutao9543 cost it cost money to sound deaden a car, toyota is the worst at putting any sound deadening technology in any of its vehicles, profit over anything else is the reason. The worst warranty period as well cost savings old technology for the longest time cost savings old passenger safety in structural design cost savings, money used to flood the media with smoke and mirrors.
Still more reliable.
@@paulmcintosh5589 say whatever u say dude, we still choose the Hilux....that's my choice, ur Ford and Amarok....they mean nothing, they're built for little princess....
HILUX FOR THE MEN
I ended up buying a sr5 hilux over everything else. Just get in and drive nothing complicated about it and no silly annoying features. Great Ute for the business.
It’s funny the most risky part of any business is driving, yet safety seems not to be raised in this area. Toyota would only manage 3 stars in a 2020 crash test. Toyota rushed to get the 19 test done till 24 the results are worse in that test than Dmax Mazda ranger and amarok did in the strict 2020 test.
@paulmcintosh5589 Safety starts with the driver. Everything else is a bonus. I'm not sure which Hilux you're referring to, but my SR5 has a bucket load of safety built into it, considering it's fundamentally a 4WD Ute. Again, it's a Ute, not a cotton wool box. P.S. I'm an ex Audi VW Porsche Technician. If I won one, I'd sell it straight away.
Totally agree Josh - I actually own a 2010 Auto diesel Hilux with very little tech to go wrong ‘out there’ because it has a conventional handbrake, analogue dials and old style aircon - the elephant in the room is that the new Ford Ranger is already giving owners grief with failing digital instrument panel and stopping dead at 80km and we know that bogun Ford have happily joined Land Rover, Mercedes and Jeep at the bottom for poor reliability - wouldn’t touch a VW with a barge pole - Toyota Hilux every time.
@@jamesdol the current Hilux only has a poor 5star safety rating and doesn’t comply with 2022 star safety crash test standards
@@johnnumbat9782 with a 5400 gcm auto 2010 it is useless for legal loads and towing.
This feels more like a Ford commercial than a Car review.
They keep doing this nonsense of comparing new gen car to old gen competitors, how about they wait the others to catch up and then compare are new gens?🤷🏻♂️
By which time the new-gen car will be old-gen? With this approach we'd never do a comparison!
@@ishaqthkrthat makes no sense how are they supposed to review something that hasn’t even been announced yet?
Agreed. Talking up the interior in the ford when the vw is far better and more refined
@@carsales stop rewarding poor vehicle standards by toyota they do nothing to set the benchmark in any area, firstly safety, than power, capacity, technology.
Having actual buttons and knobs is a massive win for the Ford!
It certainly has a lot of knobs driving them
We have the Wildtrak, coming from a Discovery. We really love this Ute, it is quiet, smooth, great to drive, comfortable, economical and it tows great. It is a much better vehicle than I was expecting. I was worried when we jumped the gun before waiting for the Amarok, but knowing it has a more sporty ride, I read that as more firm I’m relieved as the last think we would want is harder harsher ride.
It's amazing...drove the Toyota just did not feel right...
You are definitely in love with Ford 😊
For good reason. He explained everything it does better than Hilux .
Been driving a Hilux for years and never let me down , in my books it’s the best Ute in every aspect
Great reviewing. First one I’ve seen where someone actually covers the day to day practicalities like odds and end storage, bottles fitting in holders properly, and the benefits of actual buttons! (Rather than just talking about “scratchy” plastics like most other reviews!) 👍
The Hilux makes 20% less power but "matches them on fuel economy" LOL
A mate of mine has a new hilux with less that 10,000km on it Arrived last September, one of the first with the safety upgrades to match Ford features. here is no comparison when it comes to fuel usage. The Hulix kills the ford/Amarok platforms. He has never been above 11.5 lt per 100km even with real offroad driving. the 3lt ford motor is up to 30lt per 100. Towing comparison I cannot comment on at the moment but will be able too in the next 6 mths
30lt/100km .. your talking rubbish
@@darrensmith4661you haven't got A clue mate my v6 amarock is always between 7 and 9 litres per hundred unless l an towing the Toyota has less power and still uses more fuel 😂
90% of fuel economy comes down to how the car is driven. End of story.
@@ChoyKayak376 off road 4wd. Look at the reviews over the past 12 months
Toyota will last longer, will be more reliable and retain more resale value.... because it is simpler. I don't own a truck but just love seeing reviews.
not exactly the case, just because its underpowered and the interior hasnt been changed since 2017 dosent mean its better it means its old, it wont retain more resale value, at the moment the rangers are holding value as well if not better than the hilux
@@calebvanderbijl6738wrong. Toyota resale value will trump Ford any day.
Found the review quite contradictory in its conclusions / comments, having driven all three, the Rok is without question the better executed when it comes to refinement, suspension and handling - Ranger is a brilliant all rounder, just a step behind in terms of seat comfort and perceived quality - really feel sorry for the Hilux, if I wanted a truck that assured me of never breaking, she’s the one, but just too hard to live with if you want as a car as well as a work horse.
Here in South Africa our top of the range Hilux offer 165kw/550nm with LSD from the same 2.8 GD-6.
Bullshit
so does ours its called the gr i dont no why they ddnt show it
No matter how hard the Hilux is bashed, the people know that proper engineering is better than bells and whistles.
Matt Campbell from therightcar? Says about the Hilux...Sorry to break it to you, but it's not the best 4x4 pick-up. It's not even close.
While it might be improved over the standard HiLux, a lot of the old niggles and annoyances remain. It rides better, yes, and it looks tougher than ever. But this grade is more expensive, has a lower payload, and doesn't have a power bump over the standard models.
It also has a slightly more impressive cabin, but it's SO FAR BEHIND THE TIMES in terms of interior design, technology and finishes, that it feels like it is stuck in the late twenty-teens.
It's also got shorter service intervals than most utes, and still rides horribly, in comparison.
So why would you choose it over any other ute? You tell me. I'd love to hear anything other than "because it's a Toyota", "great off road", "best resale value", or "unbreakable".
Hey Mercedes. This is how you do your own ute/bakkie based on existing platform. Differentiate, differentiate, differentiate. Good job VW
GOOD HONEST REVIEW. NO BS.
I BOUGHT A SSANGYONG MUSSO ELX XLV. WITH THE 2023 REXTON SPORT MOTOR, & SOME OF THE REXTON DASH STUFF. SPORT AUTO ASIN G/BOX. EASY TO DRIVE IN MANUAL MODE WITH THE TOGGLE ON SHIFTER.
FARMER. AVG 7.9 KM P/LT UNLADEN. ALL HWY SPEEDS, NO CITY DRIVING.
$41,120 WITH PAINT COLOUR, PPF, INTERIOR PROTECTION, & W/TINT ALL ROUND. & H/DUTY TOWBAR.
7 YR WARRANTY/UNLIMITED KM. $350 CAPPED SERVICE TO 45,000 KM EVERY 12 MONTHS.
DIDN'T HAVE 75K. BUT THE AMOROK LOOKS THE CHOICE OUT OF THE 3.
I DID GET A GREAT DEAL THOUGH...
Good honest Ford commercial for you there
Why the capitals?
Fellow musso driver, couldn't be more happy with the thing.. just recently paid 37K for a '22 ultimate luxury with 6xxx on the clock, can't match that value
As a certified taliban, I can assure you that Toyota hilux is the bomb. Go for it.
Until the US bomb the shit out of you😂😂
A bomb all right just like all the other old cars on the road 😂😂😂
You'll appreciate the carpet lined loadbay I'm sure
😂😂😂😂😂😂 you sick bro I was not expecting any of that
In a ute, luxury is not supposed to beat practicality. Most of the people praising VW and Ford buy a Hilux still😂
I feel like this was sponsored by Ford. The Wildtrack equivalent to the Amarok is the Aventura
When comparing double cabs, please do include some off road (does not have to the most difficult ones}
I would buy the Hilux because in 10 -15years time it will still be reliable and hold its resale value. Can not say that about the other two.
those days are over bud, would you drive an inferior car for 15 years to get an extra couple of grand back, nope.
Facts.
Yawn!
Any time these reviews say something bad about old vehicles like the Hilux, all I see are less things to fix and go wrong 20 years down the line.
Hydraulic steering = able to steer when the vehicle isn't turned on.
Less tech = more reliable
Less tech = lower weight
Analog instrument = timeless and easier to replace
The Hilux should be in a museum as its so old!
Agree
The ranger is based on a platform & chassis which debuted in 2011.
It'll still be going well after those other two are dead. Those other two aren't really 4wd's.
@@anthonyfarnan5935 incorrect, the current ranger has many different changes to its chassis, wheel base is longer shocks different rear structure is different 6400 gcm the cab is built with new stronger materials.
@@paulmcintosh5589 great, but they are mere tweaks to an aging platform / chassis. Still a narrow cab and cramped rear seat.
My friend, without taking anything away from the ranger, it looks like you were a better salesman for ford😂
Ok let's be honest. A big majority of us buy these from the used market. So let's say 5-10 yrs from now. What ute would you be picking.
I wouldn't buy a 5 year old modern diesel including Toyota, unless I knew how every k was driven.
My neighbours wife drove their Colorado 800 metres up the hill every day of the week to work.
They traded it in with 48k kms on it. Poor bugger who bought it.
precisely. not one of the fat ones.
With 42 years in the industry of auto repair, the only vehicle I'd venture far and wide into the outback is a Hilux. Reliability is second to none.
Dusted air box, shit disc rotors, terrible suspension set up from factory, poor seat position shoulder it’s Bpillar hit your head on the roof getting in and out terrible GCM, poor safety standards compared to these.
@@paulmcintosh5589 Still more reliable.
@@jamesdol certainly debatable given that Isuzu and triton are more reliable, triton has had the longest running warranty for 20 years yet no accc issues no court cases so you debate is mute.
@paulmcintosh5589 The sales volumes of these vehicles doesn't even come close to the Hilux or Toyota period, almost to the point of insignificance.
@@jamesdol certainly not on a global scale, the country where they built Isuzu out sells Hilux the blinded following the mob in this country,
WIth the hilux you are paying for the reliabiltiy of it, such as the manual seats compared to the ranger, in my opinion the hilux is still a reliable work horse UTE, but with the other two they feel like a car/Van
Seems to me that the Ford and Amarok are going the same way as Landrover.. all cuddly and soft and dare I say it stay close to a dealer with all the extra frilly stuff… I like my analogue gauges… road feedback and agricultural grit to my trucks.. keeping the touch screen fad to a minimum, with the marketing drive modes.. still fancy a Hilux.
They're trying to make a tough 4WD into an SUV.
Definitely a Hilux for me.
I would take the Hilux any day any time.....if i want something fancy, i go for the SUV's .....etc etc
Suvs arent a dual cab
100percent agree The Ranger wins for me easily which is why I'm buying one ordered a wildtrack 2 weeks ago 😁
The only issue I have is that this comparison doesn't really factor in the reliability and durability of the cars over the longer term. It is relatively easy to build a car that drives nicely and has fancy gizmos but far harder to build one that will last 20 years and still keep going. The Ford and VW's are nice trucks but surely a much greater emphasis, if making any recommendations, should include long term ownership and reliability. Also to criticize a car for having fluid power steering is mind boggling. Off road in particular being able to feel different undulations is vital. I rarely post on UA-cam any criticisms but I feel this comparison misses the mark for potential owners of this type of car
How can you review a vehicle over many years when they are new vehicles that have not been out for that long.🤔
@@BobbyL808 I’m talking about basing it on the track record of reliability !
There are not many things you can buy these days that will last you 20-odd years to be honest and I don't know many people who still drive a 20-year-old vehicle from new. Unfortunately these days nearly all new vehicles have a heap of tech to keep them going under the bonnet. But I think you are referring to the screens and buttons or lack thereof? I also think that these manufacturers have been around for a bit longer than any of us, to be honest. Surely they would have some past experience they can build on when it comes to manufacturing a vehicle regardless if it's Toyota, Ford or VW. Just my thoughts anyway. Either way, I think all of these reviews are biased to some degree. Just read the comments on here and you will see different opinions and views on just about everything. The people doing these reviews are no different off camera IMO.
you cant review it based on previous models as things change and add different stresses to different parts, if they did what you are implying the hilux would win because both the ford and vw are a completely new veichle and what your implying would mean the fact that the hilux is a dinosaur compared to the other utes would be overlooked which shouldnt be the case, the hilux is very much behind and needs to catch up..
@@calebvanderbijl6738 not really the point I was making. There is nothing wrong with highlighting the track record of reliability and durability of the maker in question. It is one of the major factors is buying any car or truck. Obviously you can never be sure 100% but it nearly always pans out. It’s easy for a manufacturer to throw lots of toys at a product to lure people to buy but in nearly every case when you go back years after use and when these things are outside of manufacturer warranty the same goodie filled car or truck is exhibiting the same reliability issues and the dinosaur is still plodding on doing what it’s designed to do. It seems there are now two truck designs. One for posing on road and the other that needs to do the rough stuff too. It’s easy to make the aforementioned comfy and car like…
The most Off Roading these Twin Cab Utes will ever see is some leafs on their suburban driveways🙄
Leaves hello.
you're not wrong haha
The classy interior of the Amarok is clearly the winner.
Southern Highlands, good to see you filming here. My ranger lives here to!
Give me any time at Toyota Hilux living legend, the best ute I’m 64 year-old and this is my 4th Hilux you can’t beat it. I sold my last Hilux almost for the price that I bought. oh, what a feeling 👍👍👍
Do you like this model?
@@Sofiya-lov absolutely love it 👍👍👍
I have driven both vehicles from dealer and the Ranger felt much better and composed with better technology. Hilux does not have the x factor.
But it has proven reliability
The infotainment system has a button on the steering wheel that once pressed you can verbally turn up or down heating and many other verbal controls so no need to touch the screen or take your eyes off the road.
Hmmm doesn’t the Toyota Hilux Rogue have rear disc brakes? I thought that was the part of their upgrade? Another different point of view about the Ranger and the Amarok suspension again, seems like nobody seems to agree about which one does what on different roads. Very confusing.
Agree, the Hilux Rogue does have rear disc brakes!
Yes the reviews of the Ranger and the Amarock do sort of swap between reviewers but the constant is the Hilux id far more of a Lowlux in this segment very expensive for what you get.
Yes it actually does
I want to hear if these reviews are not sponsored , it's like Ausie car reviewers are in a race to promote the Ford Ranger. It's a nice bakkie but if you hear the praises you think it's out of this world, far above Toyota and nobody mentions reliability
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I agree, 2 out of these cars are just unreliable. Not really rugged enough.
Yeah. But then you'll have to consider the DPF issues and the class action against Toyota.
Have to disagree re interior, IMO Amarok is way better than Ranger. All these vehicles are premium dual cabs and have some of the best cup holders on the market, but if you plan on keeping outside of warranty I’m willing to bet you’ll need deep pockets!
Everybody keeps saying the Toyota reliability, unbreakable.... that was in the past... not now.... I work in the mining industry and see all the hilux utes with electrical problems as soon as the roads get muddy...they are not what they used to be...
It is so funny to hear year after year how Toyota is so out-dated and bad, but still the most sold :D
Capitalism is broken down under :D
Most of my family members have been Ford owners for years now, and we never had any quality issues. I will go for the Ford .
What should be considered is the base model Amarok has pretty much all the high teir features and ranger cut them out . Base models would be a great comparison for money value
Do a comparison on price of spares. Catch a shock
'Hilux feels like a workhorse'. It is. They all are. Tarting them up beyond SR/XLT spec seems stupid to me.
You're saying you don't want to bash the Hilux, but that's all you've been doing. As someone who has driven all of these vehicles and also an owner of the Hilux, you actually feel more bumps on the Amarok & Ranger. As a subscriber, I love your reviews, but You are being way too harsh on a Hilux. Ford probably paid you a lot of money for this review. Anyways. They are all good Utes to own.
I just compared a Wildtrak vs PanAmericana back to back, and the WT was hands-down the most compliant, comfortable ride.
No point the VW having a sporty, responsive feel when you’re feeling every ripple in the road surface.
Super noticeable on the same urban road, so would be unbearable on corrugations and poor road surfaces.
Doing long km drives for work throughout regional WA, the choice for me was a no-brainer.
Also has the added reassurance of a dealer in most regional centres.
Interior layout on the WT is also a lot more practical.
Personally the massive infotainment screens and lack of physical controls for things such a climate control really turn me off from a purchasing a new ute atm
That “built ford tough” animation is an instant dealbreaker.
Thanks for the great review. The Ford everytime for me on every point. Its looks alone inside & out are a winner. ☘️
Why not use the amarok Aventura, ? With the electric tray cover? Not the lower spec amarok vs higher spec rivals?
Ford: Self destructs, whenever. VW: Self destructs after warranty expires. Toyota: Already so old you'll feel it will last forever.
Ford makes dam good trucks bro, you just talking to be talking
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr Guess you've never ridden in a Japanese truck, ever.
@@jeeefthegreat7555 yea but you talking like Ford doesn't make good trucks
@@BruceDragon-sf1tr they don't fella
@@ktmsports get your silly ax off the internet, Ford has number one truck 46 years straight.
You just here talking to be talking.
If you don't believe Elon Musk, then he said the same thing "Ford has the best trucks "
Why is it that when I was up cape York a couple of weeks ago I didn’t see any ford rangers or vw .
All I seen was Toyota’s and Nissans . 🤔
What’s with the 80s style rear sway bar hanging down low on the rear diff, great toyota Engineering after thought. Most modern 4x4s have them up high over the top or auto disconnecting.
This is the issue with a lot of car reviews, I would suggest that the bias towards Ford has been purchased, hence the continued statements of being a market leader. There have been so many documented issues with the next generation Ranger starting at cost, delivery times, technology issues, tail, shaft issues Overheating, and in some cases, complete engine and brake shutdowns and yet car reviews continue to say it is a market leader. The cost alone on all of these vehicles is astronomical and completely out of the range of the average family of which the Ranger especially was allegedly meant to be designed for, designed with Australian families in mind was the quote. So long as we have certain consumers who, like a pack of rampant teenage fans keep buying these overpriced vehicles, which in some cases all come out of the same factory thinking that they are getting a bargain , dealerships will continue to push what is substandard products at the exorbitant prices completely robbing Australian consumers. When you think for 98,000 you can buy a ram which is like driving a couch compared to the Pokey Little Mid spec vehicles presented here for roughly the same price, it’s any wonder large American vehicles are becoming more appealing, while more budget conscious buying is going towards LDV and GWM
Would rather the Hilux smaller tech screen any day of the week
The legend king of all pick up trucks still the hi lux.
The best pick up in the world.
Wherever you go in the world.
Artic Sahara Middle East Africa Amazon down under.
Pick up is there first choice.
Not talking about sporty looking handling design performance.
The important is about the quality reliability affordability usability.
In off roading survival long expedition travel.
Hilux won’t let you down.
My nice have Ford and it will not last 5 years.
Overheat transmission solenoid electronics gunk carbon.
My 16 years old hilux still perfectly run.
Just do the basic maintenance check and cleaning regularly.
Oil change
Tires
Coolant
Cleaning valves
Engine bay
air flows
Filters
Just like your automatic riffles
😅
Good review. Love the new Amarok which is making the Ranger look a bit dated already. Might get one once they've worked out any bugs that come with a first release model. Also, regarding the comparison between the Hilux and the others, you are comparing newly released first gen models to a last gen model in the Hilux. The mid size truck segment in Australia is only starting to see the massive change from workhorse to everyday driver with comfort in mind. If the Tacoma in the USA is any indication of what to expect from the new Hilux, then Ford and VW and all others in this segment will be in for a rocky ride very soon and enjoy it while they can.
Only if they can fix the reliably issues with the turbo on the new Tacoma. Been reported the only way to replace it is to remove the body from the chassis! Not so great then😕
The current Hilux is the best it’s got to offer at the moment. Can’t wait around for years till Toyota come up with something that can compete with the present line up. The show must go on.
How so the amarok looks like a old Holden Colorado!
Don't like the look of it at all. Boring lazy design, not in any way rugged or muscular looking.
No mention of the Ford's recall issues
What recalls?
no mention of Toyota's recalls either
Or Toyota’s court case lose when they told everyone it wasn’t their problem.
I wonder why
Comparing an end-of-run Hilux with a couple of brand new competitors is a bit sus. Come back in 18 months and do the comparison. The new Hilux will trump the Ford and VW.
Besides, the Hilux has better reliability, higher resale, and the best bang-for-bucks ! 👍
Ford: Issues
VW: Issues and expensive
Toyota: Always works
That's bullshit lol
Hahaha. Did I miss the offroad comparison for these 4X4 utes? Sums up I guess what most people now buy these for
Vw clearly did a better job with ford , than Mercedes did with nissan 😮 im going to have to compare any differences in seat comfort to justify the price difference
Ford Ranger 3.0 V6 Wildtrek ❤
Hey guys ,this discussion is interesting. At the ministry in my country, we have ford and hillux,though manual, current years. Hillux of today have similar problems like rangers, not like old school hillux which didn't have much electronics with simple drive trains. The only difference is that working on hillux is simple, cheaper and every where whereas fords are complicated to work on, needing very specialized technicians
Every car these days are complicated if you dont know what you are doing.
if they need specialized techs to work on, why is it cheaper to do things like a service on a ford compared to a hilux?
Brilliant objective review - thanks :-)
Ranger Wildtrak presents as the best value out of the other 2.
These 23 models are breaking down faster than they are built. Look into it, mate. Toyota might be ugly, but it gets the job done.
@reginalnaidu3571 I actually own a next gen V6 wildtrak and it's been flawless, brings a smile to my face everytime I drive it. The Ranger is the most sold vehicle in Australia atm about 5,000 a month sure there will be some lemons every now and then but for the large majority it's happy motoring.
@@reginalnaidu3571 i own a 23 ranger raptor, 15,000kms on it and going completley fine, toyotas just behind
You made a good video. I'm into Ford Ranger
I couldn't agreed more, however for me they are all overpriced! I wish the Navigating system could be a bit higher, like 10/13 cm higher, I don't care about the size, because the way that has been designed, it's really hard to drive and keep look at it.
Hmmmmm,,, looks like a Ford sponsored commercial to me - I actually own a 2010 Auto diesel Hilux with very little tech to go wrong ‘out there’ because it has a conventional handbrake, analogue dials and old style aircon - the elephant in the room is that the new Ford Ranger is already giving owners grief with failing digital instrument panel and stopping dead at 80km and we know that bogun Ford have happily joined Land Rover, Mercedes and Jeep at the bottom for poor reliability - wouldn’t touch a VW with a barge pole - Toyota Hilux every time.
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Thanks for the review
How bizarre that you didn't address the fact that the Hilux is still only a part-time 4x4. A wet highway with a load in the back you want all four wheels putting power to the ground. The Toyota's inferior payload, antiquated 4x4 system, engine that was barely salvaged after the massive DPFgate class action makes me wonder why people would even consider it. The Toyota should be $60k maximum against the two modern V6 opponennts that have AWD availability like every 2023 4x4 should have.
Fully agree
All ridiculously overpriced for a dual cab Ute. Have we all lost the plot $70k plus for a Ute.
Curious to see if the wildtrak X is worth it over the wildtrak
love my 2018 wildtrak better it's a beaut
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I’m not exactly sure what we are testing here. I can appreciate a comparison between the Ranger and Amarok, but the Hilux isn’t in the same post code, let alone ball park. It’s junk compared to the other two utes.
To my toyota friends who are still living in the era when the hulix was king with its L series engines, you all need to wake up out of your deep sleep an just admit the facts that the ranger is a cut above from about 2007 - upwards. You Toyota people like to talk about reliability sure if you are talk about about the L series 2L,3L,5L anything after that is rubbish 1kd, 2kd, Kz not mention the c series 2c,3c,😂. My humble opinion hilux fans there is a new king you all can lie to yourself but the facts don't lie, you may sometime in the future become king again but for now your just a part of the royal family 😂.
Was that the wider track Rouge? had rear disc brakes I thought?
There is no denying the Ranger has everything covered: its looks great, has a modern interior, new techs etc, however its those intangible qualities that makes the Hilux the best ute to own, its reliable, durable, unrivaled dealer support. The Hilux is the choice for people who are serious about off-roading and over landing. I would not touch the Ranger when my life is depended on it.
I find these reviews interesting. A focus on Can a drink bottle fit, when clearly these vehicles are designed for soccer mums with their lattes. So yes the takeaway latte cup will fit. Why not talk about how Ford had issues but they’ve been addressed, if indeed they have. Why not question how GWM can make a deliver into country a vehicle for 20 grand less.
Work mate has owned a Toyota Hilux rogue for 2 years and as of today is getting rid of it. As he says, “ For 70k+ there’s too many things that aren’t refined and has had fixed.”
Has pros and cons but the cons should be addressed for such an expensive vehicle.
As for this review I heard, Hilux having 20% less power but same fuel economy. 😵💫
The ' Ranger ' designed and tested by unemployed Australian automotive engineers.
Ford and amorak..i like for the performance and clean look
Is it possible to fit aftrmarket Ranger suspension to the Amarok as they are the same setup suspenpension wise?
Very solid review team!
Why use the rogue? Use the rugged x. Honestly mate, keep your floaties on you'll struggle in the real world
Or top of the range SR5.
Let's go back to inception of the Hilux, it was a farm truck, tough, reliable ute! I'd rather a Hilux over any of the others.
So what your telling us is the Ford and VW are the same car but in different clothing.
Same architecture and motor, but different interior and exterior design.
I wouldn’t touch any vehicle with that blue oval badge on it. Especially ones designed and tested in Australia.
I thought you'd do some off-road comparison
I wonder why they only did a review on the areas where the ford is good
The true test of any vehicle is not how they are on the day you buy them but what are they like 4 or 5 years later. I’ve been in a position to be able to buy new pickups every 3 years and am on my 4th Toyota. But I have friends that I go hunting with who have older vehicles and I can tell you an Old Ford is not a nice thing to drive around in compared to a Toyota. The build quality is far superior in my experience.
We all like Toyota reliability and reputation, but unfortunately it’s dated than the other cars 😢. It’s dated and doesn’t compare interiorly and drive compared to the other two. Toyota has a lot of catching up to do and it’s a hard reality. The ford feels like an SUV, it’s really that good especially with that V6 engine
To be truthful Hilux needs to pull up their skills in terms of technology, breaking, system balance ⚖️ etc
Toyota toyota toyota...that's it.
I went from a hilux to a next gen Ranger.. There is no comparison.. Ford hands down!
Hahaha well ya can't say hands down old mate, till ya take your amarok and ranger to the cape(Cape york) Toyota rain supreme up here reliable and doesn't full apart than all other 4wds 😂😂😂😂hands down the lad in this video should do a 4wd comparison of all three cars up here would be good 👆🏾👍🏾👌🏾
@@imranwarrack4920 that is a thing of the past my dear TOY fan... - they ALL have their issues these days even the almighty TOYOTA ;)...
2019 ford ranger kulanıyorum 10 ileri şanzıman berbat Vuruntulu vites geçişleri var rezillik.
Love the comments lol,the ranger is winning every vid I've watched meanwhile in the real world everyone wants the hilux,Ford must be giving these motoring shows a fortune for their reviews and to ignore the track record on reliability,yes it's more comfortable and more modern so you will be in a lovely seat while waiting on the breakdown lorry 😂
Do the wildtravks have different srats to the other models?? Sat in a everest over the eeekend and very disapponted in the seat length as did not support lower hamstring area..
I have the feeling that these auto journalist are all reading the same press release. No one seems to get these bad boys on the lift and check protection (bash plates), metal thickness, corrosion resistance. They are all focused on infotainment. Nothing about aftermarket bolt on accessories and etc. Sorry boys, but you need to tell us something, which is not in the spec sheet.