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@@Misdrex Her friends are really shitty people. Used her discomfort as a reason to lash out at Dream and his friends. Imagine being manipulated and used a pawn just so your mates can sling some cheap shots at other content creators because they're envious. Also, imagine doing something illegal and getting your underage friend a 21+ wristband so you can get her drunk. I actually feel bad for Caiti. Ofc she's an adult in this situation and could make her own decisions, but I think it's clear she was pressured by her friends to direct the narrative into a more serious allegation.
yeah like all he did (thinking she was over 21 bc of that wristband) is like cuddle her. yk how many of my friends over my age cuddle me? and i dont DIRECTLY say i consent, but the claims that she was smiling and playfighting, WITH a 2nd witness, Dream, is enough to get a lot of people on george's side. and let me bring your attention to this: NUMBER 1: she read the entire thing on her phone. if she wrote it, would she not have known her story? NUMBER 2: she had NO OTHER people to claim her side of the story. and NUMBER 3: she never ever replied accordingly to any of geore's or dream's claims. personally, i side with george on this one. many people can go on the internet after meeting a content creator, cry, and say some rando script.
@@maggiethemaggot123 She should issue a public apology to George for ruining his reputation over false/exeraggerated/lied by omission SA allegations and pay him back for the brand deals lost with Mr.Beast over the matter. Caiti is not only wrong morally, but also legally - the concept of consent is very dependent on the situation which is why a non-verbal consent clause exists in legislation. Caiti's smiling, 1 hour consensual cuddling, + willingly going back after getting back multiple times would fall under non verbal consent (really, search it up!). Really, what everyone should be saying, Caiti got what she deserved and it was unfair that George was hated on by millions (maybe even tens of millions, just look at the twitter statistics on whos viewed tweets) and lost multiple brand deals. All you said was relatively okay too I guess, but people should really be knowing the entire hard hitting important details such as consent, lying by omission (leaving out cuddling, smiling (this is a big non-verbal consent sign), playfighting), exaggerated claims
People do vary in reactions to alcohol but in her case, I think it's bull. Personally, I can get puke my guts out drunk and still keep my mind sharp like a sober effect where all I have is poor control of my body.
That was one thing I was thinking. Around half way thru the video caiti says she kept going back to the couch because not doing so would “hurt geroges ego” or some bs and I was like ?? You’re drunk, too drunk to consent but are aware of how a person is going to feel if you commit one action or another? Like that doesn’t really make sense to me
@@garbearfar1394Society is a little disappointing nowadays, people just believe women for no reason, while I don't blame them, her accusations had little to no proof and basically debunking everything she said in the first stream. I don't understand why they took her side without questioning her, but not the same with George. Society is really something else nowadays
exactly😭😭especially with like kissing… “can i kiss you” is kinda awkward to say and especially when you’re nervous. but i think it depends on the people too. i wouldn’t think it’s bad to say “can i kiss you” or anything. just kind of awkward especially in the moment.
You say that but some people are actually traumatized n need for people to ask consent. Its not about romance its about being comfortable regardless of whats awkward for u.I grew up around people who were assaulted n just were shook in general scared to say no to anyone while being fully uncomfortable. everybodys different not particularly talking bout this situation w that example because idk who lying but for anyone, ppl go through things n verbal consent is not really a issue. I understand where u coming from but yk
@@painless4785 You're acting dense just to show u don't have empathy for people and its boring. People have their own paces n not everyone is jumping into therapy sessions or even admitting they're a victim off bat. You have your opinion n that's fine but acting like that is unnecessary dude.
Nah, people around him were also pressuring him. Even if you know you're right and did it with consent, anyone would doubt with the pressure whether if they actually did something wrong. He did not deserve that.
@@funnyvideo-vn9klngl what I learned from being around fellow cre8ors and just living life is never publicly apologize. I noticed once any company or person does it never end positive... when ppl just ignore it, it works out better. At first ppl slam you but over time they just forget. Same can go for in court. As soon as you apologize you admit guilt
@@kaynkayn9870 Being gaslit and gaslighting yourself into either thinking you're guilty or feeling guilty even when you know you're not is very real. Heck I've done that to myself before, and it sucks.
Ong. Basically making cases to be less believeable for cash grab type shi. I feel bad for anyone who experience such a SA with noone believing it and nothing to back it up
What really sucks is that his friend's didn't support him. Dream and Sapnap suck as friends. George is innocent and a victim of false accusations. Poor George.
@@sanslev8924George was not at all terrible, he was only cautious, understanding, and overly honest about everything. He apologised INCASE that he had actually made Caiti uncomfortable despite not knowing she was, not to admit that he was guilty of the allegations.
George: Im sorry, I fucked up. Sap, dream backing the wronged party, accuser even said so (took the blame by apologizing) why would you not show support for the "victim" at that point?
it’s sickening at the fact that she not only LIED but also told her viewers that going to police if you get assaulted is stupid. Her audience may have literal victims of SA and they’re being told that “you can’t do anything so just don’t do anything”
For real, like she and many other people who have lied about being sa'd have made it extremly dificult for actualy sa survivors to come forward or to even contact the police, i'm sadly one of those victems.
@@Wassupmehi’m truly so sorry you have to go though this shit, may i please help you in any way? idk find some hotlines or organisations in yr country?(not forcing)
Plus she's reinforcing that woman make up sa allegations. For what too? She wanted some attention? She wanted pity? She should receive the same punishment he would've got from a sa conviction.
People see girl on camera that’s younger than the accused and will immediately cling to it regardless of evidence and seeing that sort of thing honestly sucks so bad
you say this as if SA cases ever get the assulter jailed. they are very complicated because unless you have video evidence of it happening it becomes hearseys. search up victims who went to police and see how far it went without video footage. I know people in real life who went through these processes and 100% the accussed never went to jail. only way for a kind of justice is they take online and let the whole world know and they also risk being sued for defomation.
@@Dice-Zthe same thing happens to Kai center and he got the cops involved and was willing to give it all up to the girl just for her to come out and say she lied
@@sayakamaizono5830 What you mean with caiti? Mens lack of giving attention or validation or treating women nicely could have something to do also with selfish lier women sending innocent men to prison.
Because she was crying🙉she must be right🐵, she is such a poor girl🙈!? Even if she was wrong🐵, she didn’t know what was happening🐵,she did nothing wrong🙉such a poor girl🙈.
After watching this, I have way less respect for George’s friends. Dream and sap so clearly only responded in that way to protect THEIR own popularity. THAT is the definition of fake friend
As a male victim of sexual assault. It’s stories like these that REALLY piss me off. I got laughed out of the sheriffs office when I tried to report it. yet someone on twitch can lie about it and the internet instantly believes them. What a sad and disgusting time to live in Edit: I’m overwhelmed by the love you all have shown me. Thank you random UA-cam commenters for validating my trauma because not a lot of people do
I was born a girl, and I was unfortunately assaulted by another girl many years ago. Some people don’t believe me or make gross comments about my story questioning how it happened simply because we’re both bodily female.
Male victim as well, what I hate most is when women act like men never go through these issues and our opinions are based off of misogyny, like no as a victim who also knows other male and female victims Caits story wouldn’t be THAT inconsistent
George's only mistake was actually worrying about whether he caused harm to someone when he didn't mean to, and she capitalized heavily on him being genuinely a good person.
@@RamzaBeoulves It's not about understanding consent, it's the fact that he was genuinely seeing himself as a person that did her harm after reading her stories, that was a mistake, because even if you want everyone to feel comfortable, don't gas light yourself into believing everyone over your own feelings on a situation too.
That's just straight-up rotten. Guy does his best to do what he thinks is remedying the situation and like vultures the internet hordes descend upon him for it. Ugh.
@@sabrinakingsley798 What I think they mean is that this is a bittersweet ending for George as a whole. George now has a permanent stain on himself and his brand that will never really fade, all the networking bridges have been either damaged or burnt to cinders. He also may develop mental health issues down the line due to the intensity of the backlash. Caiti on the other hand, has gained thousands of followers who at least hate the dream team more than her and has functionally escaped the brunt of the backlash she PURPOSELY started. There is no winner on the internet, there is no god in this virtual world. Will she get her judgment, will George recover? we'll never know for now all we can do is wait and see.
Well nothing was going to happen to her anyway she was always going to get support from Twitter and her fans no matter what ether said really hell she instantly got clout and more Money for this any way so essentially she profit off of a false accusation
Yep and people still cope about being a woman is "harder" than being a man. Men have everything to lose., and women lose nothing from faking allegations, its crazy.
Notice how George is staying Mature during his explanations and not name calling while Caiti is doing the exact opposite and addressing the issue like a child. Edit: Tysm for the likes it’s the most I’ve ever gotten 😭
It's actually really bittersweet for me - only because I wish everyone would've supported George when the allegations came out from Caiti, but it was EXTREMELY depressing and disappointing seeing everybody on twitter just hating on him even when he didn't give his side yet. Super annoying. And now that everybody had time to think, of course everybody is supporting George because he's obviously in the right. Honestly those that supported Caiti the second Caiti accused George should be investigated for brain damage
I think George's main downfall was the fact that he was addressing how "he felt" or "how the situation changed his perspective", where in my opinion, it was completely irrelevant as the whole drama had been "facts (George) vs Emotions (Caiti)". He tried for a second to "redeem" himself based on the lies shared by Caiti, instead of sticking to his own story. Also, I didn't follow the drama from the start but became quite evident how Caiti kept on speaking with emotions rather than providing anything of substance. George already provided additional evidence (non-verbal consent even observed by friend), so why is she repeating her first point instead of debunking the new evidence? I support cancelling/punishing SA perpetrators but it's sad to see how everyone throws everyone else under the bus when it comes to preserving their online fame without verifying what happened first.
@@loser9336yep, people in twitter was jumpin fast and pressing george without any actual known evidence. And i dont think people shouldve also jumped on george’s side bcz it was still not known who is in the right and wrong. Its better to wait than sorry.
But that's the issue..... The damage has been done to George and the way he framed it was sincere but still kind of put him out to be beaten (the apologising). So in the end the one that truly won is caiti. As the video mentions too, caiti can just hide and wait for everything to blow over. But for George, whatever has been said about his SA on caiti is gonna be left online for others to misrepresent him.
HOW can she be so drunk (as mentioned by her several times) and still have a such a detailed account of that night while every other person in that room has blurry and pieces of information of the said night.
Also, first she mentioned how she was visibly uncomfortable. George says that nothing happened that night besides cuddling, Dream confirms it. George's friend confirms it. If most people don't remember what happened that night, then either everyone were blackout drunk or nothing happened. But then she modified her story that she was hiding it? At that point she was echoing whatever her fans were shouting...
I completely understand this point, but she didn’t. I personally believe it was foggy to her too but she was forcing confidence for she thought if the wasn’t they wouldn’t believe her (this is shown in a lot of Sa cases in” you can’t describe it it didn’t happen”) I personally think they are both victims what she did was fucked she destroyed him and lied and lied yet she still was uncomfortable although it was wrong George isn’t at fault he didn’t know
@@TheAce0fH43artsShe's not a victim. She tried to destroy a man's life over some very weak accusations without any evidence. This girl deserves the hate this guy got for a little tipsy cuddling she framed as him being the worst graper that ever walked this earth. As a woman, I'm ashamed that this is what womanhood has become, absolutely disgraceful.
George shouldn’t have apoogised. He should’ve known that twitter and youtube audiences would take his apology as an admission of guilt instead of what it really was, which is feeling sorry for something he didn’t realise at the time that (key word) COULD make someone else uncomfortable. If there’s something I’ve noticed is that apologies are instantly responded to with hatred and more controversy. He should’ve consulted it with someone else before to not make it seem like an apology.
Yeah tbh dude needs better friends. If he wasn't surrounded by a bunch of people siding with her and not giving him a shred of charitability maybe he wouldn't have felt obligated to apologise in his second response since he probably felt like the odd one out. But nevertheless, he shouldve stood firm with his first response and exposed all the misinformation without trying to pander to his crazy audience.
This actually pisses me off a lot because my mother had a friend who went to America, two girls accused him of sexual assault, he was proven innocent but still they wouldn't drop the charges and he wasn't allowed 100 feet within a school. He ended up taking his life and everytime I watch videos like these I remember that and it genuinely makes me upset. I'm not one to wish downfall on people but I genuinely hope she finds herself an early grave.
Don't mean to disrespect or make a dead man look any lesser, but me personally I would've never taken that. Would've pursued that 'til I dropped dead. And there just ain't no way I'm dropping dead for two american girls who think they have all the power. Keep fighting that bullcrap, s'what people need to learn to do. Don't mean to preach, but I really do just get so darn prissed outta my mind whenever I have to read a story like this. The whole intent of those two wenches was to ruin a random man's life, and they succeeded. Makes my blood boil. Have so many other things I could call them, but I know UA-cam wouldn't let me.
The fact her allegation was so dramatically written as if it was literally a wattpad story is what made many real SA victims doubt her from the start. Myself included. No one relays their trauma like it's a novel "hoping my stillness would make me disappear.." we don't say things like that when talking about some of the worst experiences of our lives.
i never caught that. that is deff a strange thing to do. normally you just say "i wanted to disappear" or "i couldn't believe this was happening to me". that's coming from someone who writes stories as a hobby xD
that's what I was thinking too, I've never dealt with anything like this in real life but as soon as she started talking, it immediately felt incredibly artificial. not like it was obvious she was lying but it moreso just confused me as to why she said it like that. also the level of hostility she reverted to was a bit... 😬😬
Yes and no. Yes because it’s not likely they’d speak like this but no because there are some people that just try to get their point across through description of emotions
Does things people over 21 would do. And George’s group was specifically filled with people over 21 too. Like the fact that she has the audacity to say Freshly 18. Was trying to make bro come off as pedophilic as possible.
@@jamestherobloxgamer7801Me personally, I’m on the side of the person who falsely accused someone of sexual assault, lied about their age, said they were incredibly drunk but somehow remembered what happened clearly, and repeatedly changed their story.
@@A5MRI'm not on anyone's side because I don't know these people and they all seem kinda pathetic, especially the girl. This is just funny gossip to me and makes me glad I'm not and never was interested in romantic relationships. Even though I'm a woman, they still sound like a pain in the arse, especially nowadays lol
Im glad these comments arent as stupid as twitter. I truly believe that George didn't "take advantage of Caiti" in any way, especially in the alcohol. She was already drunk.. meaning that George didn't get her drunk with any drinking games. Sure, she got even more drunk be she had already been drinking meaning she had wanted to drink alcohol prior. Neither were in the wrong before these allegations but now i would say that George is the victim. This is pretty similar to when innocent people get arrested or "canceled" for rape allegations. Not even similar.. it's the same exact situation. This is messed up
Yeah my PE teacher was accused of being abusive to his wife everybody believed her he ended up doing drugs and later killed himself and then it came out that the wife was lying
Philosopher 100 Years ago: "If a tree falls in a forest but no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?" Today: "If I have a breakdown and cry but don't record or livestream it, did I even have feelings at all?"
What really made things worse for George was his niceness, apologizing to this girl even when she was clearly trying to attack him for clout and people just sided with her because she was a girl
As disrespectfully as possible, that's pussy behaviour from George and his friends. Why the heck would you apologise for something like that. This is a typical case of a woman doing something with a man consensually, and then afterwards, out of nowhere feeling like it was "sexual assault". And then proceeding to ruin the life of the other for some reason.
Those that have followed George for a long time know how innocent and apologetic he can be. He is a good person who seem to wish no part of contravery's, since they are to dramatic for his kind soul.
Yeah okay. I've been sexually assaulted by one of my best Friends's mom. Lying about your experience is extremely shameful and disrespectful to the people like us that had to go through shit like this.
@@n64slayer that doesn’t mean consent as explained in the video. you’re asking how a drunk male can consent when they can’t, and people are saying she didn’t consent and not george because he george was the one that initiated. if she did, then that means she also could’ve been accused of SA. in my opinion i don’t think touching her waist is SA after an hour of cuddling, but the consent still stands.
Law student here. Just to give some legal context, in virtually all jurisdictions including the UK and US, INTOXICATED CONSENT **COULD** STILL BE VALID CONSENT. The key differentiator isn't whether it was given while the person is intoxicated or not, but whether the person actually still has the CAPACITY to give consent. Just because you had some alcohol does not mean you are completely out of control of your actions and are not responsible for any of consequences of your conduct. It's a matter of degree. If you are SO drunk that it's objectively clear that you are completely unable to given consent then and only then could you claim that the consent you gave was invalid. If intoxicated consent could never amount to valid consent, then anybody who touches alcohol prior to any sexual conduct could potentially accuse the other of sexual assault/rape, a really stupid scenario. Being drunk isn't a get out of jail free card, just use common sense - eg a drunken driver is still responsible for his actions. Stop undermining the legitimacy of justified claims of sexual assault/rape.
Literally. Like if having alcohol at all precludes any ability to give consent, I guess that means that no one should ever take their date out for drinks, and if they do they can't touch her even if they're vibing, otherwise they just committed SA
Afaik, alcohol blocks memory receptors which cause people to have memory loss when they're drunk, but seeing Caiti literally remember every detail of what happened that night, makes me think she wasn't THAT drunk and still had the capacity to give consent.
Girl: Lies about what happened. Audience: Sides with Girl instead of George. George: Calls her out for lying. Audience: Still sides with Girl instead of George. Girl: Admits she was lying, but still plays the victim. Audience: Still sides with Girl instead of George. George: Exposes more lies she told. Audience: Still sides with Girl instead of George.
It's crazy how gullible people are in the internet. One accusation happens without evidence and people immediately side with the "victim". Even without waiting for George to respond people already camee to conclusions
@@Khvicha.kvaradonut77 problem is, it's "Guilty even if proven innocent," now. George proved his innocence and even apologized for doing nothing wrong. Yet, that's not enough for the internet. I'm not even a fan of George or the Dream Team, I have barely watched anything from them. But, there's nothing that excuses this behavior and he didn't deserve any of it.
It is both a curse and a blessing. You can get a shit ton of money (if you were a MC UA-camr when the agme was in its prime) but also you will be bound to have a grooming minors allegations or a texting minors scandal. You get money but also get fucked by an allegation
@@shadoweye306 I think the only safe ones are the ones who just do redstone and stay the hell away from anything but Hermitcraft, at this point. There's something in the red glowy electricity dust that scares off hormones, I swear.
@@shadoweye306 If they didnt want to be involved in allegations, they shouldn't have chose to be a youtuber. Those jobs are the most unstable sources of income and you have to be an idiot to be a youtuber since that means you have to throw yourself into internet drama. They made their bed, they can sleep in it.
i never believed Caiti. her crying was so fake and the fact people believed it, is so insulting to ACTUAL victims. and she was wearing a 21+ wristband, lying to *everyone* . what a vile being.
The fact that his friends caved under pressure from people on the internet and decided to even speak on the matter and speak poorly about him is something I personally could never forgive.
Bro I knew about this faker accusing George and lying but I didn't realise that both Dream and Sapnap just immediatly turned on George without listening to his side first. Both of them talking shit about George only made the Internet believe George was wrong even tho you can clearly tell from Caiti's tweet that she was lying. I feel so bad for him man.
Falsely accusing someone of something as serious as this is disgusting. The fact she decided to go online and say all that instead of going to the police says everything she actually cares about.
It's very interesting that she always calls him a abuser or worse but only keeps the drama online instead of going to law enforcement or anything similar instead she immediately goes for the reputation which shouldn't be as important if at all
False accusations like this needs to be taken more seriously. I hate how when a accusation is thrown against a man by a woman people always side with the woman without hearing the other perspective.
@@kevinsaga3525 when u go to the police you need lots of actual physical evidence and she obviously didn't have it so the internet was the next best option.
@@baileysellers7877 if you don't have that much of evidence than you probably shouldn't even go online as it opens you to civil repercussions (lawsuits). Going to the police is still the best move as at least they will be required to take a report. Which will at least they can follow if someone else would file a report against her. Now also in this specific case yeah this just feels like a girl with an ax to grind that didn't intentionally harm someone. Her story changes time and again. It seems like a case of trying to get after someone she just didn't like. Best case situation is she felt uncomfortable with how things happened and built all this up in her head as she feels a sort of regret over what happened.
Moral of the story : when you're being accused of something you know you didn't do, have some balls, stand your ground and make sure your friends are reliable and trustworthy
George was cool, calm, and collected. His arguments and tones never changed. Caiti went from crying to screaming, her story was never the same. I genuinely hope that George can rebuild. He deserves none of what he received and if you think he does you are no better than Caiti
Let me say that I’m not defending Caiti or even talking about her at all- but you should realize that an actual sa victim is going to be upset, and being upset about something like that is completely reasonable, and getting visibly upset or crying wouldn’t be out of the ordinary… Please read my comment again when I said I’m not talking about changing stories or Caiti at all you fucking goobers lmao
@@TR-oc7hh Changing your story whenever new information that contradicts your original account isn’t very typical of a victim, neither is reading off of a motherfucking script to recount the event. Wouldn’t your memory be pretty clear?
@@Lolpy. LMFAO. right, these bitches are fucking wild with defaming male content creators like shit. I'll stick with my faithful lover that I have now and if and when I get big I won't jump around in drinking parties and whatnot.
@@Lolpy.That's true, that's not what they have an issue of. It's specifically that the screaming and crying should be normal for this kind of incident. Her changing her story is completely unacceptable.
it’s not that simple twitter isn’t really changing the law but it is ruining his reputation and because they are famous and the girl decided to do this publicly if George were to not respond publicly it would be like admitting to it which then again his whole career is being a famous person and you can’t have that if your reputation is ruined
@@JoeVahns that’s a better way to put it that’s exactly what I meant it ruins peoples careers that they relied on which mega sucks for the people that didn’t deserve anything
@@Rainy_8 yah most States have their consent is at the age of like 17 and some go lower also she should be mad at her friends for pressuring her to drink while underage instead of this very obvious false SA shit
This happened to me in highschool. A girl and her friends didn't like me... so she got close/flirted with me, I felt there was some physical consent, and barely anything happened. But the next day, she lied to the principal and the police saying that I r*ed her, and I got expelled and was facing sexual assault charges at 14. The ridiculous situation only ended because the *actual* incident was caught on the cameras in the school. Unfortunately, the damage was done, my friends abandoned me, and I had to move schools. Often times, men don’t win in cases like this, especially when it comes to the aftermath of being accused, like losing friends, environments, scholarships or sponsorships, sometimes even jobs, no matter if it's the truth, or if it's just completely made-up. Real sexual assault victims get taken less seriously when things like this happen, simply because someone wants to make someone else's life harder. What a pathetic world we live in. Edit: “Barely anything happened” was a way for me to keep my personal life a little more personal, not “downplay” what happened. If you’re really that concerned, read the subcomments and it should answer your questions, thank you.
Bro. I feel bad for George. After all those years of being friends with Dream and Sapnap, when he got into trouble, they wouldn't help him out. What terrible friends...
George's actions genuinely showed that he is a good guy. Not only he accepted his mistake but also apologised for what he allegedly did but still got the backlash because of what ? For being a good guy. Really people these days believe a skank who changes their perspective but not a guy who apologies.
@@gus8460 bro that's what makes us man. We are not like female who do not acknowledge their mistakes and still yap after they were proven wrong. The guy accepted his mistake and apologised for that, whereas every time the girl's statements changed. I have high doubt whether what she is saying is at all true or not
@@sampadnag2928and sadly men are the ones who set that system up and mostly men who continue to support the system. Maybe you guys will actually overcome it if you just acknowledged that it’s actually mostly your own team, aka males against other males. And not mostly females against males because you’re not realizing the root cause of these problems or the main supporters of it
The dude just tried his moves, she gave no bad feedback or rejection to his moves, then he thinks his moves are working and gets a little more bold, then he tries going to her room and gets denied and he just takes the rejection immediately and walks away XD. TRULY did nothing wrong, he's a good kid. he walked away at the first no but the thing is the first no was uttered too late in the night. This is her mistake for not rejecting his advances earlier, simple as that, even she says she didn't wanna make a stink about it so she played it cool, that's all we need to know about her mindset and her level of maturity.
The worst part is, George didn't even do anything wrong. They were both drunk, and there were hints to continue whatever cuddling they were doing. Talk about playing the victim 💀
@@vacdek She wasnt even freshly 18*. She was almost 19 and later she said "i misspoke i meant that i was freshly off the highschool" so even more* bullshit xDD
@@piskor3978 I also love how everyone just ignored the fact that she already went partying and drank alcohol before she turned even close to 18. But suddenly, THEY *MADE* her drink, like the girl was suddenly the most puritan god-fearing person ever till that night and just drank out of fear. She is already an adult, and she should be treated as such. Including prison time/monetary recompensation for the damage to HIS image.
@@vacdek The "Freshly 18 part" could have been important if there was a huge age gap, and especially if the adult knew them before. In that case, there could be grooming accusations. But yeah, seeing how both are in what I call the "College area", it's not that important.
@@Seungberry_world_domination not many people have talked about it, but ive noticed whilst reading her 'story' she doesnt once look directly at the camera whilst saying it, always facing off to the side. typically not being able to make eye contact (in this case looking at the camera directly) is usually a sign of deception and lying
Wait so the summary is: He seen her with a legal drinking age wristband prior to the incident, and in the hotel they cuddled for 1 hour and she showed 0 signs of discomfort or any signs that would make him feel he doesn't have consent and after he put his hand around her waist she accuses him for sexual assault ?
welcome to the world. where women take advantage of men (child support, divorce men and take everything the men worked for, and accuse them of s assault for no reason)
and she remembers everything that happened, while she was drunk. meaning at any point she could've said no to anything that happened. but she didnt....
@halowiz1000 my problem with some people in this is the fact that some people were saying "you can't give consent if you're drunk" you absolutely can, are you going to be in the complete right mind ? No. Ngl every time I've been drunk I've been able to control what I think, until I got blackout drunk. Then I couldn't control myself or my actions.
@@lvkillawolfvl1921 You can't give *_competent_* consent because being drunk does dull the critical-thinking side of things, but if you don't want to do something you ain't gonna. Alcohol lifts your normal inhibitions, allowing you to do things that non-drunk you might be hesitant to do, but it doesn't completely wipe your sense of self. However that is why you "can't" give consent. You're not thinking clearly. Things that seem like a good idea while drunk may be something you'd refuse while sober. Sober you is the one controls consent, because they're the one that has to live with it. If you're not bothered by your drunk decisions, cool. Not everyone is.
Honestly, that's the bit I feel most sorry for George, his friends turned on him even when, at that point, it was pretty clear a lot was off from her side
He self destructed so they had no choice due to their livelihood. by apologising and accepting responsibility, they had to do damage control to save their own careers.
@@01superchunk66i think George wanted to save his friends career by asking them to be neutral but lean with Caiti and he wanted to deal this by himself
Damn so george being understanding and saying "sorry" becuase he didnt know she felt differently about the cuddling and didn't want to hurt her feelings just ended up hurting him more, Essentially allowing people to think he did it with malicious intent even though he didn't. What a fucked up world.
He can try, but sadly, he probably wouldn't win without the court. System favors women immensely, especially if he get to woman judge. Trust me, I know from experience. The court system sucks if you're a man. If you're a woman the sad truth is you could just accuse someone of rape and probably get away were there nowadays.
@Shadowy_2 Yes, that is true is most states of America, but George lives in Florida, a state where the government still does not value women's rights. Therefore, even if George did it, he'd still most likely win if he sued her for defamation. But since he has all the proof of him not SAing her, there's a 99% chance he'd win. If you want to do more research, look into Mother states vs Father states.
@@7Halos Sure whatever you say. I've seen it with the Ione eyes. Almost experienced it. Believe what you like.But I can say with a certainty This does exist.
@@Shadowy_2maybe in your imagination it does. men get away with actual sa so fucking often because the court system hates women, especially non-white women
He actually handled it really well. What is showed of his stream, he seemed have presented actual evidence in a very calm manner, being respectful and acknowledging his part while also providing his side if the story. I actually think him admitting to under the shirt touching makes him more credible. He didnt try and deny it, just to explain himself; his explanation seemed very valid.
The problem is that chronically online twitter and tiktok users that took him apologizing for making her feel like that as him admitting he did everything to her. Even George said it himself that his response wasnt him admitting anything, yet somehow a bunch of people saw it as that.
@@afellowfriend754 I wish people for once would stop jumping straight into conclusions like them. Why can’t we be unbiased and look into both perspectives, but I know the pretty girl is gonna grab all the supporters before George does
@@luisruiz5045 Thats just sadly how the internet is these days, im a victim of SA myself and im so tired of seeing girls like Caiti call the dumbest shit sexual assult, when it in fact was not. Even as of now she still has supporters that lack of logic and a decent mindset because Caitiroach herself has literally outed herself to be a lying manipulative scum ever since George's first response.
this is so sad. the way his friends completely abandoned him as well to save their own face even though george stayed with dream throughout his whole drama
@@taniac.6774 omfg they didn't turn on him stop feeding into misinfo. dream literally received half if not most(which is strange)of the hate and harassment, he edited georges response&helped gathering evidence&personally dealt with bs some ppl tried to start after that. sapnap in his own response straight up said he loves his friend and mentions him on every other stream. none of them ever admitted it was SA
Ikr. It's a terrible morale to take away from this, and yet... admitting anything at all has them pouncing on it like lions on prey. Humanity is going in an awful direction.
I've recognized this and stopped apologizing even when I am in the wrong. People take an apology as justification and honestly just become more spiteful and resentful when they get one. generally it seems like the rage of never getting an apology is less than the self justified rage of having gotten one.
The fact that people haven't learned the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" is baffling. You think after the Salem Witch Trials, people nowadays would know, but apparently, this generation is too blindsided to pay attention in school.
Honestly, I do not care if one is an influencer or not, George has all the grounds to sue for defamation. Caiti also is underage drinking, so any allegations she makes would get thrown out because she's illegally drinking. Her being drunk also removes any concrete evidence she has. Nobody can accurately recount details to the dot, ESPECIALLY if you're drunk.
Unfortunately people these days don’t even care about innocent until proven guilty because guilty until proven innocent is trending. Same thing happened with Kwite and Rex Orange County. These same accusers who believe one side first don’t even bother to check on the case or see its updates afterwards but just go off of other’s opinions and say “aren’t you a r//apist? Didn’t you sexually assault someone?” They throw around every word in the book at someone even if it isn’t true just so it can “justify” their hate and jump on the trend.
@@mzheng2217 Yeah and the classic double standard. "We were BOTH drinking and I gave literally zero indications that I was uncomfortable but George as a MAN is guilty of sexual assault for thinking me rejoining him for a cuddle on the couch meant I was into him."
It honestly scares me how easily twitter will jump onto someone's neck when a girl accuses them of SA without giving any proof, even if she was right in the end. Scary
That’s honestly the only sensible thing people can do. Just get a lawyer. A lot of these people usually back off real quick when real life consequences start stacking up and they have to deal with actual police and court.
Don't have to imagine anything. When guys come out saying it, no one believes them cause they are a guy, and are just told to man up. Or the women just gets a slap on her wrist with a "now sweetheart don't do this again" 😒 it's just so wrong no matter what.
@@cmantheninja yeah the fact she kept saying she was "freshly 18" as if shes underage when she isnt lol. And she had a 21+ wristband on she borrowed from a friend so no one knew she wasnt of age for alcohol.
Why did she close all her accounts if she wasn’t in the wrong? Why would she change her story constantly? Why would she put the band that said above 21? Why would she lie about his online friend? Come on she’s obviously a liar and just wanted to destroy his fame.
It breaks my heart that George _really_ thought he had done something wrong. You can tell how genuine his apologies are. He truly thought he had made a mistake and hurt someone without intending to. He handled it so well and was so mature and thoughtful. Good people do not deserve what happened to him.
One aspect that's not focused on enough is SHE PRETENDED TO BE OVER 21. If you pretend to be of xyz age, be prepared for actions appropriate for xyz age. If you get into a bar with a fake ID, you can't cry wolf when you're served alcohol.
I feel so bad for George...he's one of the most wholesome minecraft youtubers and definitely didn't deserve having to apologize for an exaggerated misunderstanding
It's a common story of "clout chasers tricking famous people" she went along with it that night pretending they have a thing/attraction between them only to later on pretend she's the victim while the real victim was the guy just following along believing they had a thing, that girl only planned to "use" him for clout and destroy his life, 18+ you are an adult, you are drunk then don't drink if you can't handle alcohol, when you are drinking you are bound to get drunk, that's how it works, there were 8 people there and none noticed that she was feeling bad about this? What made her not stand up/leave/change position/deny his advances, the manipulative narrative of blowing things out of proportion to make the story seem darker than it really is, using SA as a reason for something that dumb is a middle finger to the real victims.
My friend self deleted himself after she accused him of SA. His life started to go downhill after that. His scholarship got taken away and his football coach never let him play any match after that. His family were poor and he doesn't want to burden them. So he dropout from the college. After 2 years he self deleted himself because his mom died and his dreams as a pro football player being taken away from him. Rest in Peace brother.
18:10 I am so tired of people acting like 18 year olds aren't adults. They are more than able to think for themselves. Also, there's no way she was too drunk not to give consent
Especially an 18 yo who has somehow acquired a 21 wristband from the convention. Clearly she is an adult if she’s willing to lie to drink alcohol 5 months after turning 18 💀
Prime example of why you should _always_ plead your innocence until something proves you're guilty, especially when you know there's nothing that does so.
@@TheCobra114-o5e Really, the full advice is -Don't talk about it until you have to -Don't admit or take guilt for something before there is proof of it -Don't get hung up on it regardless
I mean the case is done and dusted he is guilty for the majority of the audience he should have simply not admit it like her story was clearly falling apart and his friends were like we have to look for our own public image@@APatriotRevival
@@shivanshbisht9439 Yes, that is precisely my point. I'm saying if someone else finds themselves in such a situation, don't admit fault. Best thing to do is get a lawyer if you think they might actually have something. Even if they don't, you could then sue them defamation.
@@APatriotRevival yeah I definitely agree with you but I just think that the dream smp was kinda cursed you know last year karl, then dream himself and now George
The fact that she had to read her statement instead of recounting it like a normal person is a red flag. The whole thing is BS "believe ALL women". This george fella is also an idiot for caving in and apologizing when he supposedly knew he didn't do anything wrong.
Love the part where Dream and Sapnap threw George under the bus. Really good friends considering Caiti's story is so inconsistent from version to version. And for Caiti, that's embarrassing, to slander a content creator and for what? Clout? Hate? This is why nobody can trust anything anymore, because of all the lies you can spread at the drop of a hat. George didn't deserve this. Caiti is a psycho.
Well, I can see why they would side with caiti despite the inconsistencies due to George's awful second response as he basically condemned himself. It seems like he was innocent for the most part, but he did a really bad job with that second response.
what annoys me in those stories the most is the fact that they make actual victims way less trustworthy and undermine the whole thing and I really wish those people got de-platformed instead
Same. Hate to say it but now when I hear people (esp women) say they're victims of so and so, unfortunately my first response is doubt, especially if its just hearsay and the dude has some form of influence or power.@@vividsftw67
@@vividsftw67 Same thinking its so bad that what if my friend gets accussed of it that im overthinking so much that my decision is just to not get involved in it
The irony is the only real platform she ever had is for coming out with these lies. Her livelihood is not tied to an internet presence anywhere near to how George's is. People like her can just pop up for a short moment, ruin a career because "TrUst VicTimS GuYS, HuMAns TotAllLY DOn'T LiE" and then poof she can just go on with her life like nothings happened while leaving someone destroyed.
As a victim, a waist touch is not assault. IMO she's being dramatic at the end there and she sounds desperate to get people to side with her after realizing her claims are falling through.
LITERALYL she was crying sobbing unable to finish almost a single sentence before when just talking about how george allegedly touched her waist but was smiling while delivering the news that apparently he touched higher??
The biggest red flag for me is: she didn't mentionned the other friend in the original statement than after george mentionned him, she didn't mention him because he left early and isn't important (and doesn't know his name too) and after, she finds a text with him knowing her age and noticing the incident... so he went from: not mentioned ---> stranger that isn't important -----> witness knowing her name and phone number.
I think this whole "Minecraft community" got to his head. All of his closest friends are in it. All of them were shaming him and attacking him, so ofc he's gonna start to believe HES in the wrong. Sad world full of demons who pretend to be angels ugh🤦♂️
@@cookiegames8464 Yeah, I agree with initial comment but when your audience is a bunch of kids who fall for things easily, and one of your biggest hate communities is primarily on twitter. Silence speaks louder than anything else, so the less he spoke the more speculation was brought forward, he thought he had to do something, but what he did, was push the gun barrel further into his mouth. But at least we found out which one was the liar.
Also I think part of the problem is he didn't clarify exactly what he was apologising for when he should have. I think he meant his first apology was an "I am sorry I played a part in making you feel uncomfortable" a simple apology for an accidental harm, like one would apologise for bumping into someone in a crowd or for making a well meaning joke or jab that hurt your friends feelings. These moments of accidental harm are ones we are taught to apologise for, and I appreciate the awareness of seeing that just because I and others saw it as harmless didn't mean I didn't cause harm. However many people nowadays don't like to apologise for accidents so when you don't clarify (or even when you do) they assume its an admission. The second apology I think was more along the lines of "I was not at all aware there was a possible power dynamic issue in potential relationships, sorry you and others might have been caught in this." I think he did clarify this one better but I think people are less aware of the danger of financial and reputational power imbalances in relationships and might not be as aware as he was about the severity of this issue. Frankly he dealt with is so maturely but lately it feels many people don't realise that a truly empathic person will want to apologise for accidents, for hurt they see even if they do not understand (emotions aren't logical) and to make a promise to be better.
George was drunk, and she was drunk. She was 18 and shouldn't have even been there at the party, she was committing a crime. She gave no implication that she was uncomfortable. If you're uncomfortable, say it or just walk away. Because George was drunk, he had no real thought process, that's what alcohol does. He had reason to assume she was into the play he was giving, and the past two statements support this for George's innocence.
I can't believe people make these heinous allegations despite all the past experiences. Some influencers have committed suicide over this, but people on the internet just love to add more fuel to the fire. These people on social media need to get a life instead of worrying about others. For George, this is an open-shut case of defamation. I do not care if Caiti doesn't have the funds, George should sue for defamation. She needs to learn to face the consequences of her actions.
@@mzheng2217 You need to consider that she was probably pressured by her "friends" to do this, because they just needed a fall man to carry out their idea. I understand that some people may be pissed at her, but you really need to see this from both perspectives.
My boi George got falsly accused betrayed by his friends and permanently had his reputation stunted or damaged because of a idiotic 18 year old wanting to be a victim
it's a social issue, and instead of addressing it socially like a normal person she'd rather find some excuse to her social ineptness and blow it up behind the misconception hate mob of twitter. this situation is literally the pronoun conundrum blown up to SA.
@@Bibhan-u8k they said support the victim. They didnt say they think shes the victim. Plus everyone can see that her statement was flawed, dream and sapnap trying to take georges side would make this thing a whole bigger of a deal than it has to be because of their reputation and history with drama. Remember that one time dream and sapnap let a childhood friend live at their place and he turned out to be an abuser? Yeah people will just throw that shade in if they try to intervene.
At this point I can’t help but feel bad for Tommy. Techno passing, Wilbur being outed as a abuser, George and Dream getting into drama. It’s a lot man. Especially for someone so young.
@@Smelly_manz allegedly it's just he said or she said I'm not defending Wilbur or Shelby Wilbur said it was consensual that doesn't mean it's abuse lol
The whole situation sucks and shows what is wrong with today's society. People automatically jump with no backing and trust what everyone says on the internet far too easily. The backlash that Dream received and still does when he has literally proven his innocence is still doubted to this day - and now it's George's turn. The only thing George was guilty of was for saying "sorry"; not only did a lot of his audience betrayed him but so did his friends - who also went through this sort of experience *cough* Dream *cough*. I don't even know these guys so I'm completely unbiased, but hope they can recover and get an audience that they deserve. It was very clear that she misrepresented things to make something so miniscule turn into something so career-devastating. The worst case of all of this, is that nobody never seems to actually learn. They crave for the next creator to be outed.
Lots of toxic people on social media that will do anything for attention or controversy. They crave the attention because they don't have anything meaningful enough in their actual lives.
@UppyWupps While I don't fully trust what people have talked about Dream, I won't put it past either if he did 'something', (That doesn't mean things like SA or worse). The reason why is because of the big lie he was caught in (The Speedrun one), where he allegedly hired an actual mathematician from an university, or something in these lines, only to turn out to be boogus, and then suddenly 'realizing' he had a mod on causing him to have better drops (Hence why people use the "Dream luck" meme). Once you lie this big just for internet points, when you say the actual truth, people are less likely to believe you. Same goes for the story The boy who cried Wolf. He did it as a funny but once an actual wolf was there, nobody believed him.
I was there on twitter as a massive fan of George when this all happened and i remember just being shocked and not knowing who to believe. When it all first started i was trying to refuse believing Caiti but then started to, after George had spoken about it i got really confused and just ended up leaving the fandom. I was the same when the Dream allegations happened and it effected my mental health so much. All i'll say is i really despise people who purposely create false allegations directed at a celebrity/cc as it comes off as them just mocking real victims and trying to destroy someone's career and life
Same here, after techno everything dream team related just seems to end up with drama, overdramatized situations from the fans and now all these allegations. I know its not most of their faults and the internet just seems to be against them but it just feels like a hardship watching their videos now and i miss how loving and sweet the community and how fun watching sillly minecraft videos were.
He didn't do anything wrong. Her accusations are a slap in the face for real victims. Being naive, having no social skills/experience, spending time with way older people, breaking the law, and not being able to read the room is not his fault.
Yk, this is Twitter, so I don't expect the argument to be reasonable. Listening from the story, she should have known better what drinking and hanging out with people she didn't know would turn out. Of course, who would say George isn't wrong in touching her, but it seemed like she's the one making the fuzz out of it like 9 months later. If it really was a big deal, why didn't she ask her friends for help right then? (But this is Twitter, so people have no brain cells anyway.) However, admitting to feeling guilty about it makes people think he really did it, especially when the hate was pretty much all on you. Also, this might not be the main point, but bias towards women in this kind of stuff is usual, so yeah, humans. So, yeah, not getting help when you were SAed, and saying touching is SA is a freaking insult. Meanwhile, George feeling guilty, and saying it makes people think he's guilty af Also, changing her stories makes it really believable. So basically, another shitty attempt at bringing other down while insulting actual victims at the same time.
the fact that men can SA women without facing a single repercussion and do every day is also terrifying. My comment is for victims of SA that are now terrified that because of this woman's actions, they won't be believed. The fact that no one in my replies can understand or even fathom how damaging that can be, is exactly why I needed to make this comment. Victims, please stay strong, do not stop coming forward, and don't be silenced. I will no longer be responding to the people in my replies because none of them are acknowledging or even reading what I'm writing. If you have any sort of logical decision making abilities then my comment makes perfect sense. I hope people treat others more kindly than they treat me. I am an actual human being. And I'm sorry to anyone that has been harmed by SA and ignored or told they are liars, from the bottom of my heart.
@@Nonyah123that doesn't make what the commenter said any less true and if you want to side with actual victims defending this woman is a disgrace to them (actual victims)
@@Nonyah123 doesnt change the fact, this girl (and many many many others) LIE in order to defamy/gain money/gain cloud using SA as an excuse. and guess what... Not a single one has been judged Case point: Amber Heard, lovely in the sun in Spain. She also fasely accused JD, without repercussions. Same with this girl. And thats a "f you" in the face of real SA and the people (yes men can get SA aswell. Living proof here) that got sexually abused. Ontop of that instead of picking up the pitchfork and standing against woman that MISUSE AND ABUSE SA, you beg the differ and go back into tunnelvision mode. Shame
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As a SA victim, i never trusted her testimony. It was a fucking wattpad shaped story.
I’m so sorry you had to go through what you did as a Victim! I really hope you got your justice.
TRUE, SO MUCH OF IT WAS STRAIGHT OUT OF A Y/N FANFIC TOO-
Okay and why should we trust your story then.
Why shouldn't we? @@Comm253
@@Comm253 uncalled for lmao, i am also a sexual assault victim. if you havent experienced it, dont mouth off about other peoples traumas
This is the kind of girl who’d show a fake ID to a guy wanting to verify her age and then blame him for not discerning that it was fake.
she kinda did lol she had a 21+ wristband on from a friend so they didnt know she was under the drinking age
She's the kind of girl that ruins men's lives...
Rudi Rose with all the rappers and NBA players.
Exactly what she did
@@Misdrex Her friends are really shitty people. Used her discomfort as a reason to lash out at Dream and his friends. Imagine being manipulated and used a pawn just so your mates can sling some cheap shots at other content creators because they're envious. Also, imagine doing something illegal and getting your underage friend a 21+ wristband so you can get her drunk. I actually feel bad for Caiti. Ofc she's an adult in this situation and could make her own decisions, but I think it's clear she was pressured by her friends to direct the narrative into a more serious allegation.
He should sue her ass for defamation. She essentially ruined his career for shits and giggles
yeah like all he did (thinking she was over 21 bc of that wristband) is like cuddle her. yk how many of my friends over my age cuddle me? and i dont DIRECTLY say i consent, but the claims that she was smiling and playfighting, WITH a 2nd witness, Dream, is enough to get a lot of people on george's side. and let me bring your attention to this: NUMBER 1: she read the entire thing on her phone. if she wrote it, would she not have known her story? NUMBER 2: she had NO OTHER people to claim her side of the story. and NUMBER 3: she never ever replied accordingly to any of geore's or dream's claims. personally, i side with george on this one. many people can go on the internet after meeting a content creator, cry, and say some rando script.
That’s what he gets for calling the VANOSS groups some pedos when he and dream are pedos themselves 🤡
He cant sue her because she never specifically mentioned him, its really sad that people are like this.
@@maggiethemaggot123 She should issue a public apology to George for ruining his reputation over false/exeraggerated/lied by omission SA allegations and pay him back for the brand deals lost with Mr.Beast over the matter. Caiti is not only wrong morally, but also legally - the concept of consent is very dependent on the situation which is why a non-verbal consent clause exists in legislation. Caiti's smiling, 1 hour consensual cuddling, + willingly going back after getting back multiple times would fall under non verbal consent (really, search it up!). Really, what everyone should be saying, Caiti got what she deserved and it was unfair that George was hated on by millions (maybe even tens of millions, just look at the twitter statistics on whos viewed tweets) and lost multiple brand deals. All you said was relatively okay too I guess, but people should really be knowing the entire hard hitting important details such as consent, lying by omission (leaving out cuddling, smiling (this is a big non-verbal consent sign), playfighting), exaggerated claims
@@Randomilj bro shut yo it’s kinda obvious that she was mentioning him or he would’ve never made a response vid silly billy
She was so drunk, she remebered everything? That must be a new kind of drunkness.
People do vary in reactions to alcohol but in her case, I think it's bull. Personally, I can get puke my guts out drunk and still keep my mind sharp like a sober effect where all I have is poor control of my body.
That was one thing I was thinking. Around half way thru the video caiti says she kept going back to the couch because not doing so would “hurt geroges ego” or some bs and I was like ?? You’re drunk, too drunk to consent but are aware of how a person is going to feel if you commit one action or another? Like that doesn’t really make sense to me
@@garbearfar1394Society is a little disappointing nowadays, people just believe women for no reason, while I don't blame them, her accusations had little to no proof and basically debunking everything she said in the first stream. I don't understand why they took her side without questioning her, but not the same with George. Society is really something else nowadays
@@IM2MERS Same but this girl is bullshitting to get attention or to take down a creator who stopped giving her attention.
To be fair, I remember most times I’m intoxicated.
Everyone who genuinely believes “giving non-verbal consent doesn’t make it ok” have clearly never had a truly romantic moment in their lives
Yup. I wonder how many dates actually end with "can i kiss you", or does one party just take the initiative?
exactly😭😭especially with like kissing… “can i kiss you” is kinda awkward to say and especially when you’re nervous. but i think it depends on the people too. i wouldn’t think it’s bad to say “can i kiss you” or anything. just kind of awkward especially in the moment.
You say that but some people are actually traumatized n need for people to ask consent. Its not about romance its about being comfortable regardless of whats awkward for u.I grew up around people who were assaulted n just were shook in general scared to say no to anyone while being fully uncomfortable. everybodys different not particularly talking bout this situation w that example because idk who lying but for anyone, ppl go through things n verbal consent is not really a issue. I understand where u coming from but yk
@@7_ana If they are so fragile they should stay away from partying with strangers in strange places and focus on therapy and getting better. bs.
@@painless4785 You're acting dense just to show u don't have empathy for people and its boring. People have their own paces n not everyone is jumping into therapy sessions or even admitting they're a victim off bat. You have your opinion n that's fine but acting like that is unnecessary dude.
imagine being forced to apologize over something being blown way out of proportion. rlly insults serious sa victims
these are the kinda thing that makes me biassed towards woman and the reason Ill probably never get a girlfriend😭😭
Nah, people around him were also pressuring him. Even if you know you're right and did it with consent, anyone would doubt with the pressure whether if they actually did something wrong. He did not deserve that.
@@kaynkayn9870I agree
@@funnyvideo-vn9klngl what I learned from being around fellow cre8ors and just living life is never publicly apologize. I noticed once any company or person does it never end positive... when ppl just ignore it, it works out better. At first ppl slam you but over time they just forget. Same can go for in court. As soon as you apologize you admit guilt
@@kaynkayn9870 Being gaslit and gaslighting yourself into either thinking you're guilty or feeling guilty even when you know you're not is very real. Heck I've done that to myself before, and it sucks.
Sexual assault is so common, yet people like this destroy the belief in real cases.
Exactly it's the crying wolf scenario
It's sad how people like this makes it look less believable. What an insult to the actual victims.
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Ong. Basically making cases to be less believeable for cash grab type shi. I feel bad for anyone who experience such a SA with noone believing it and nothing to back it up
Such a sad reality we live in that people are this desperate for attention/payday
What really sucks is that his friend's didn't support him. Dream and Sapnap suck as friends. George is innocent and a victim of false accusations. Poor George.
Thats just crazy. Your own friends?
For real lol. I hope he finally realizes that they're not his friends.@@ReilyGomez-hd1ys
you can't blame sap nap and dream if George was terrible at explaining himself and said sorry as if he had done something wrong
@@sanslev8924George was not at all terrible, he was only cautious, understanding, and overly honest about everything. He apologised INCASE that he had actually made Caiti uncomfortable despite not knowing she was, not to admit that he was guilty of the allegations.
George: Im sorry, I fucked up.
Sap, dream backing the wronged party, accuser even said so (took the blame by apologizing) why would you not show support for the "victim" at that point?
People making up lies like these are directly a fucking insult to real SA victims. Honestly just baffling to me that you would do that.
They are not only an insult, they are also a problem, because their lies make it harder for real victims to find people who believe them.
problem is, they dont care. its all about what they can gain from it.
@@Fridge6 Reason why I say to make shit like this illegal especially when good men in the past have died because of false claims.
i can see why all those boomers in congress wanted to pass legislation to control the internet now.
@@nepge8967False claimers deserve the same punishment the victim could have gotten in terms of jail sentence and punishment
it’s sickening at the fact that she not only LIED but also told her viewers that going to police if you get assaulted is stupid. Her audience may have literal victims of SA and they’re being told that “you can’t do anything so just don’t do anything”
For real, like she and many other people who have lied about being sa'd have made it extremly dificult for actualy sa survivors to come forward or to even contact the police, i'm sadly one of those victems.
@@Wassupmehi’m truly so sorry you have to go though this shit, may i please help you in any way? idk find some hotlines or organisations in yr country?(not forcing)
Plus she's reinforcing that woman make up sa allegations. For what too? She wanted some attention? She wanted pity? She should receive the same punishment he would've got from a sa conviction.
Why go to police when you can livestream it and watch that subscriber count go up
She also kept changing the freaking story
This girl disrespected and made a joke out of real victims
literally, and it makes me sad that there are people like this. People just love to be a victim and be praised ig.
Real I'm a victim since I was 7 and rn I'm 16, her accuse doesn't make sense at all
what annoyed me even more was that during her live streams that she was talking about it she had her follower count on the screen
We can literally see her fake cry...
How people believed it?
had an uneasy feeling about her crying now I know why
People will believe what they want to believe unfortunately
People see girl on camera that’s younger than the accused and will immediately cling to it regardless of evidence and seeing that sort of thing honestly sucks so bad
Idk man, any sane person could see how painfully fake it was... But hey, most of this drama happened on twitter.
She was "Brave" enough to make allegations, but not get the police involved? I feel this is a major slap in the face to actual SA victims.
Maybe because she knew she had no solid evidence. Just speculations.
you say this as if SA cases ever get the assulter jailed. they are very complicated because unless you have video evidence of it happening it becomes hearseys. search up victims who went to police and see how far it went without video footage.
I know people in real life who went through these processes and 100% the accussed never went to jail. only way for a kind of justice is they take online and let the whole world know and they also risk being sued for defomation.
I kinda agree but you gotta understand, most of the time the police actually does fuck all.
@@Dice-Z um no?
@@Dice-Zthe same thing happens to Kai center and he got the cops involved and was willing to give it all up to the girl just for her to come out and say she lied
She deleted her posts once receiving heat, while George took the heat like a man. What a coward this Caiti is 😭☠️
Frr
Exactly people like that are p*ssys
No wonder the world is sad depressed world with this belive woman society and guilty before proven innocent society.
@@Jout8-re1ij not all women. just THOSE women and caiti herself.
@@sayakamaizono5830
What you mean with caiti? Mens lack of giving attention or validation or treating women nicely could have something to do also with selfish lier women sending innocent men to prison.
She deletes her tweet? That's IT?? Then got away scotts free? Man...
Because she was crying🙉she must be right🐵, she is such a poor girl🙈!? Even if she was wrong🐵, she didn’t know what was happening🐵,she did nothing wrong🙉such a poor girl🙈.
Why the monkey emoji@@Cripplinghell
Its like how Justin Trudeau says things and then later on says he did not say that even though it was public. Gas lighting at its finest.
This should genuinely get people fined/arrested
because it was a woman. Woman has privileges in this world.
After watching this, I have way less respect for George’s friends. Dream and sap so clearly only responded in that way to protect THEIR own popularity. THAT is the definition of fake friend
Oh god, I encounter of these kind of peoples "fake friends" For the past 3 years, and its realluly hurt me ngl,
@@SoehartodTop1corruptLeader I hope you find better friends
Blinded by the fame
@@jam06 thank you for your kind words
No fr
As a male victim of sexual assault. It’s stories like these that REALLY piss me off. I got laughed out of the sheriffs office when I tried to report it. yet someone on twitch can lie about it and the internet instantly believes them. What a sad and disgusting time to live in
Edit: I’m overwhelmed by the love you all have shown me. Thank you random UA-cam commenters for validating my trauma because not a lot of people do
I’m sorry sir. You don’t deserve that. Hope you can find people who will take your story seriously.
it's truly disgusting,also it's not much but remember we here for u man
And then people say, "Back then was better." Just look what the "back then" people was like
I was born a girl, and I was unfortunately assaulted by another girl many years ago. Some people don’t believe me or make gross comments about my story questioning how it happened simply because we’re both bodily female.
Male victim as well, what I hate most is when women act like men never go through these issues and our opinions are based off of misogyny, like no as a victim who also knows other male and female victims Caits story wouldn’t be THAT inconsistent
George's only mistake was actually worrying about whether he caused harm to someone when he didn't mean to, and she capitalized heavily on him being genuinely a good person.
How is trying to understand consent a mistake?
@@RamzaBeoulves
It's not about understanding consent, it's the fact that he was genuinely seeing himself as a person that did her harm after reading her stories, that was a mistake, because even if you want everyone to feel comfortable, don't gas light yourself into believing everyone over your own feelings on a situation too.
That's just straight-up rotten. Guy does his best to do what he thinks is remedying the situation and like vultures the internet hordes descend upon him for it. Ugh.
Yes, so fucking disgusting. People are so gross
@@MeargleSchmearglethats what you get for being a good person.
The fact that Caiti got off Scot free is what makes me disappointed in the world we live in….
What do you mean ? Bro just admitted everything
@@sabrinakingsley798 What I think they mean is that this is a bittersweet ending for George as a whole.
George now has a permanent stain on himself and his brand that will never really fade, all the networking bridges have been either damaged or burnt to cinders.
He also may develop mental health issues down the line due to the intensity of the backlash.
Caiti on the other hand, has gained thousands of followers who at least hate the dream team more than her and has functionally escaped the brunt of the backlash she PURPOSELY started.
There is no winner on the internet, there is no god in this virtual world.
Will she get her judgment, will George recover? we'll never know for now all we can do is wait and see.
Well nothing was going to happen to her anyway she was always going to get support from Twitter and her fans no matter what ether said really hell she instantly got clout and more Money for this any way so essentially she profit off of a false accusation
@@sabrinakingsley798 TO WHAT CUDDLING WITH AN ADULT AND TOUCHING HER WAIST?
Yep and people still cope about being a woman is "harder" than being a man. Men have everything to lose., and women lose nothing from faking allegations, its crazy.
Notice how George is staying Mature during his explanations and not name calling while Caiti is doing the exact opposite and addressing the issue like a child.
Edit: Tysm for the likes it’s the most I’ve ever gotten 😭
she never said who it was they figured it out I'm not defending her just saying your an idiot
George is really a victim here. So glad a lot of people are seeing it.
It's actually really bittersweet for me - only because I wish everyone would've supported George when the allegations came out from Caiti, but it was EXTREMELY depressing and disappointing seeing everybody on twitter just hating on him even when he didn't give his side yet. Super annoying. And now that everybody had time to think, of course everybody is supporting George because he's obviously in the right. Honestly those that supported Caiti the second Caiti accused George should be investigated for brain damage
I think George's main downfall was the fact that he was addressing how "he felt" or "how the situation changed his perspective", where in my opinion, it was completely irrelevant as the whole drama had been "facts (George) vs Emotions (Caiti)". He tried for a second to "redeem" himself based on the lies shared by Caiti, instead of sticking to his own story.
Also, I didn't follow the drama from the start but became quite evident how Caiti kept on speaking with emotions rather than providing anything of substance. George already provided additional evidence (non-verbal consent even observed by friend), so why is she repeating her first point instead of debunking the new evidence?
I support cancelling/punishing SA perpetrators but it's sad to see how everyone throws everyone else under the bus when it comes to preserving their online fame without verifying what happened first.
@@loser9336yep, people in twitter was jumpin fast and pressing george without any actual known evidence. And i dont think people shouldve also jumped on george’s side bcz it was still not known who is in the right and wrong. Its better to wait than sorry.
But that's the issue..... The damage has been done to George and the way he framed it was sincere but still kind of put him out to be beaten (the apologising). So in the end the one that truly won is caiti. As the video mentions too, caiti can just hide and wait for everything to blow over. But for George, whatever has been said about his SA on caiti is gonna be left online for others to misrepresent him.
@@loser9336 same with Dream's and the previous ones' cases, keem was always right
completely unrelated but George's friend walking through a drive thru drunk to order tacos is such a mood
he still remembers it and he knew he had that taco😼
fr
ikr your real for posting this comment
@yoonminieyue bruh
It’s giving downtown Popeyes
HOW can she be so drunk (as mentioned by her several times) and still have a such a detailed account of that night while every other person in that room has blurry and pieces of information of the said night.
Yeah exactly there is no way she remembered all that while being drunk, I wonder how the guy in the video or others involved didn't point this out.
Also, first she mentioned how she was visibly uncomfortable. George says that nothing happened that night besides cuddling, Dream confirms it. George's friend confirms it. If most people don't remember what happened that night, then either everyone were blackout drunk or nothing happened. But then she modified her story that she was hiding it? At that point she was echoing whatever her fans were shouting...
I completely understand this point, but she didn’t. I personally believe it was foggy to her too but she was forcing confidence for she thought if the wasn’t they wouldn’t believe her (this is shown in a lot of Sa cases in” you can’t describe it it didn’t happen”) I personally think they are both victims what she did was fucked she destroyed him and lied and lied yet she still was uncomfortable although it was wrong George isn’t at fault he didn’t know
@@TheAce0fH43artsShe's not a victim. She tried to destroy a man's life over some very weak accusations without any evidence. This girl deserves the hate this guy got for a little tipsy cuddling she framed as him being the worst graper that ever walked this earth.
As a woman, I'm ashamed that this is what womanhood has become, absolutely disgraceful.
Hol up I didint even think about that u r actually smart af thx for pointing that out
George shouldn’t have apoogised. He should’ve known that twitter and youtube audiences would take his apology as an admission of guilt instead of what it really was, which is feeling sorry for something he didn’t realise at the time that (key word) COULD make someone else uncomfortable. If there’s something I’ve noticed is that apologies are instantly responded to with hatred and more controversy. He should’ve consulted it with someone else before to not make it seem like an apology.
Yeah tbh dude needs better friends. If he wasn't surrounded by a bunch of people siding with her and not giving him a shred of charitability maybe he wouldn't have felt obligated to apologise in his second response since he probably felt like the odd one out. But nevertheless, he shouldve stood firm with his first response and exposed all the misinformation without trying to pander to his crazy audience.
This actually pisses me off a lot because my mother had a friend who went to America, two girls accused him of sexual assault, he was proven innocent but still they wouldn't drop the charges and he wasn't allowed 100 feet within a school. He ended up taking his life and everytime I watch videos like these I remember that and it genuinely makes me upset. I'm not one to wish downfall on people but I genuinely hope she finds herself an early grave.
I pray his soul rests in Peace
Damn right man
Don't mean to disrespect or make a dead man look any lesser, but me personally I would've never taken that. Would've pursued that 'til I dropped dead. And there just ain't no way I'm dropping dead for two american girls who think they have all the power. Keep fighting that bullcrap, s'what people need to learn to do.
Don't mean to preach, but I really do just get so darn prissed outta my mind whenever I have to read a story like this. The whole intent of those two wenches was to ruin a random man's life, and they succeeded. Makes my blood boil. Have so many other things I could call them, but I know UA-cam wouldn't let me.
May he be in peace
But wanting this person to die is a bit extreme though I understand your motive I am sorry.
May he rest in peace.
The fact her allegation was so dramatically written as if it was literally a wattpad story is what made many real SA victims doubt her from the start. Myself included. No one relays their trauma like it's a novel "hoping my stillness would make me disappear.." we don't say things like that when talking about some of the worst experiences of our lives.
i never caught that. that is deff a strange thing to do. normally you just say "i wanted to disappear" or "i couldn't believe this was happening to me". that's coming from someone who writes stories as a hobby xD
that's what I was thinking too, I've never dealt with anything like this in real life but as soon as she started talking, it immediately felt incredibly artificial. not like it was obvious she was lying but it moreso just confused me as to why she said it like that.
also the level of hostility she reverted to was a bit... 😬😬
lol yeah... she was talking like a story... at least that sounded, very dramatic in wording
Nahh don't bring the Wattpad into this 😭
Yes and no. Yes because it’s not likely they’d speak like this but no because there are some people that just try to get their point across through description of emotions
So she lies about her age and gets mad because George didn’t know she lied about her age… whoa
idk what side should i be on
Does things people over 21 would do. And George’s group was specifically filled with people over 21 too. Like the fact that she has the audacity to say Freshly 18. Was trying to make bro come off as pedophilic as possible.
@@jamestherobloxgamer7801 isnt it obvious??? what
@@jamestherobloxgamer7801Me personally, I’m on the side of the person who falsely accused someone of sexual assault, lied about their age, said they were incredibly drunk but somehow remembered what happened clearly, and repeatedly changed their story.
@@A5MRI'm not on anyone's side because I don't know these people and they all seem kinda pathetic, especially the girl.
This is just funny gossip to me and makes me glad I'm not and never was interested in romantic relationships. Even though I'm a woman, they still sound like a pain in the arse, especially nowadays lol
Im glad these comments arent as stupid as twitter. I truly believe that George didn't "take advantage of Caiti" in any way, especially in the alcohol. She was already drunk.. meaning that George didn't get her drunk with any drinking games. Sure, she got even more drunk be she had already been drinking meaning she had wanted to drink alcohol prior. Neither were in the wrong before these allegations but now i would say that George is the victim. This is pretty similar to when innocent people get arrested or "canceled" for rape allegations. Not even similar.. it's the same exact situation. This is messed up
Insane how it takes one awful person making up a lie without evidence can completely ruin a person's life.
Yeah my PE teacher was accused of being abusive to his wife everybody believed her he ended up doing drugs and later killed himself and then it came out that the wife was lying
@@littlealice4094 WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU JUST SAY THAT LIKE 😭😭😭😭😭
@@littlealice4094imagine just believing some random bitch over your gym teacher with no evidence or marks
@@pugbot9kits somewhat relative to the video and comment.
@@littlealice4094 I feel sorry for that teacher...
i love how theres a serious s** discussion and then halfway through this guy advertises a natural vape 💀💀💀
XD
Man's gotta eat
He needed the money 🤑🤑
caught me off guard
capitalism
_In other words, another false claim of sexual assault ruining a man's life, that should be enough to land the woman in prison._
should get same sentence as an assaulter
@@differ812 yeah, she faked it and she should get the same sentence as if he did do it
anyone who makes fake sexual assault claims should get the same sentence
Ok comment absorbed. Completely different subject though, how the hell did you get italic text on your comment??
@@gonefishing476 you didnt ask me, but, you can do it with _ on each side! like _ this _ but without the spaces. _wuhaha_
Philosopher 100 Years ago: "If a tree falls in a forest but no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"
Today: "If I have a breakdown and cry but don't record or livestream it, did I even have feelings at all?"
Twitter is the worst place to defend yourself, never make important responses on twitter.
I will never take twitter users seriously, they’re too presumptuous and insane.
I constantly refer to the Family Guy episode where Brian defends himself through twitter and it was a trash fire.
@ville__Dude thinks he’s UTTP 💀
But what if I have a ukulele and a song to sing?
@ville__ nobdy cares abt u mr i dont even saw ur content
What really made things worse for George was his niceness, apologizing to this girl even when she was clearly trying to attack him for clout and people just sided with her because she was a girl
also bc of the people that he hangs around. people be blinded by hate
As disrespectfully as possible, that's pussy behaviour from George and his friends. Why the heck would you apologise for something like that. This is a typical case of a woman doing something with a man consensually, and then afterwards, out of nowhere feeling like it was "sexual assault". And then proceeding to ruin the life of the other for some reason.
Those that have followed George for a long time know how innocent and apologetic he can be. He is a good person who seem to wish no part of contravery's, since they are to dramatic for his kind soul.
@@Rasklo93 reminds me how he would canonically sleep through a lot of the DSMP events cause he didn’t want to be part of the drama
this is why I will never be a youtuber, if it were two decades ago I would have been one, but that's now off the table
Yeah okay. I've been sexually assaulted by one of my best Friends's mom. Lying about your experience is extremely shameful and disrespectful to the people like us that had to go through shit like this.
Thats Crazy....
Yo r u ok now?
thats crazy
I'm sorry. :( I hope you're doing better these days. And you're absolutely right.
I think you are lying and just trying to shame an actuall victim of sa cause you wanna protect your favorite youtuber
See? that's how you sound
How is it that a drunk male can consent but as soon as its a female they can't?
Fr, the double standards...
Nobody ever said that, bye.
to be fair they said he was the one initiating
@@dabonethug she let him...
@@n64slayer that doesn’t mean consent as explained in the video. you’re asking how a drunk male can consent when they can’t, and people are saying she didn’t consent and not george because he george was the one that initiated. if she did, then that means she also could’ve been accused of SA. in my opinion i don’t think touching her waist is SA after an hour of cuddling, but the consent still stands.
Law student here. Just to give some legal context, in virtually all jurisdictions including the UK and US, INTOXICATED CONSENT **COULD** STILL BE VALID CONSENT. The key differentiator isn't whether it was given while the person is intoxicated or not, but whether the person actually still has the CAPACITY to give consent. Just because you had some alcohol does not mean you are completely out of control of your actions and are not responsible for any of consequences of your conduct. It's a matter of degree. If you are SO drunk that it's objectively clear that you are completely unable to given consent then and only then could you claim that the consent you gave was invalid.
If intoxicated consent could never amount to valid consent, then anybody who touches alcohol prior to any sexual conduct could potentially accuse the other of sexual assault/rape, a really stupid scenario. Being drunk isn't a get out of jail free card, just use common sense - eg a drunken driver is still responsible for his actions.
Stop undermining the legitimacy of justified claims of sexual assault/rape.
Literally. Like if having alcohol at all precludes any ability to give consent, I guess that means that no one should ever take their date out for drinks, and if they do they can't touch her even if they're vibing, otherwise they just committed SA
@@Paulie_Geelietrue that
Here here!
I agree with this, but how would anyone prove how drunk they were in court?
Afaik, alcohol blocks memory receptors which cause people to have memory loss when they're drunk, but seeing Caiti literally remember every detail of what happened that night, makes me think she wasn't THAT drunk and still had the capacity to give consent.
Girl: Lies about what happened.
Audience: Sides with Girl instead of George.
George: Calls her out for lying.
Audience: Still sides with Girl instead of George.
Girl: Admits she was lying, but still plays the victim.
Audience: Still sides with Girl instead of George.
George: Exposes more lies she told.
Audience: Still sides with Girl instead of George.
Society sucks at some points (Like this)
It's crazy how gullible people are in the internet. One accusation happens without evidence and people immediately side with the "victim". Even without waiting for George to respond people already camee to conclusions
This internets new “guilty until proven innocent” is the dumbest thing in the modern world
@@Khvicha.kvaradonut77 problem is, it's "Guilty even if proven innocent," now. George proved his innocence and even apologized for doing nothing wrong. Yet, that's not enough for the internet.
I'm not even a fan of George or the Dream Team, I have barely watched anything from them. But, there's nothing that excuses this behavior and he didn't deserve any of it.
@@Comrade_Alpaca Honestly it might as well be just guilty without innocence with how today is
Being a minecraft youtuber is basically a curse at this point
It is both a curse and a blessing. You can get a shit ton of money (if you were a MC UA-camr when the agme was in its prime) but also you will be bound to have a grooming minors allegations or a texting minors scandal. You get money but also get fucked by an allegation
@@shadoweye306 I think the only safe ones are the ones who just do redstone and stay the hell away from anything but Hermitcraft, at this point. There's something in the red glowy electricity dust that scares off hormones, I swear.
@@shadoweye306 If they didnt want to be involved in allegations, they shouldn't have chose to be a youtuber. Those jobs are the most unstable sources of income and you have to be an idiot to be a youtuber since that means you have to throw yourself into internet drama. They made their bed, they can sleep in it.
DanTDM, Vikkstar123, Stampy all examples of drama free minecraft UA-camrs
@@GianEditss u forgot a big one, literally all of Hermitcraft
Respect to George for apologizing even though he knows he is innocent. That isn't an easy thing to do when you aren't guilty. Props to Goerge.
i never believed Caiti. her crying was so fake and the fact people believed it, is so insulting to ACTUAL victims. and she was wearing a 21+ wristband, lying to *everyone* . what a vile being.
My thoughts exactly
Each account Caiti made sounded less and less true
idk if its common for people who have been victim to SA to need it but I felt like her reading off her phone was a bit weird
@@bigmike1432same, I found it strange. Usually something this major would stick in your mind well enough to speak about it without reading off a phone
@@jehugonzalez1725 She needed notes, to keep all her lies straight
The fact that his friends caved under pressure from people on the internet and decided to even speak on the matter and speak poorly about him is something I personally could never forgive.
Honestly its so messed up people that cave because of others aren't really friends and if I ever do that I would hope for someone to call me out
DUDE I FEEL SO BAD FOR BRO 😭😭😭😭😭 I ALR KNOW HOW THIS STORY ENDS IM ABT TO BE IN TEARS
Probably would have done the same if it was one of his friends under fire, those youtube friend circles are snake pits
@@kuzakiv3095 Broski you just admitted you're also a snake lmao, what in the hypocrisy
Bro I knew about this faker accusing George and lying but I didn't realise that both Dream and Sapnap just immediatly turned on George without listening to his side first. Both of them talking shit about George only made the Internet believe George was wrong even tho you can clearly tell from Caiti's tweet that she was lying. I feel so bad for him man.
Falsely accusing someone of something as serious as this is disgusting. The fact she decided to go online and say all that instead of going to the police says everything she actually cares about.
It's very interesting that she always calls him a abuser or worse but only keeps the drama online instead of going to law enforcement or anything similar instead she immediately goes for the reputation which shouldn't be as important if at all
False accusations like this needs to be taken more seriously. I hate how when a accusation is thrown against a man by a woman people always side with the woman without hearing the other perspective.
to them any kind of attention is good I guess
@@kevinsaga3525 when u go to the police you need lots of actual physical evidence and she obviously didn't have it so the internet was the next best option.
@@baileysellers7877 if you don't have that much of evidence than you probably shouldn't even go online as it opens you to civil repercussions (lawsuits).
Going to the police is still the best move as at least they will be required to take a report. Which will at least they can follow if someone else would file a report against her.
Now also in this specific case yeah this just feels like a girl with an ax to grind that didn't intentionally harm someone. Her story changes time and again. It seems like a case of trying to get after someone she just didn't like. Best case situation is she felt uncomfortable with how things happened and built all this up in her head as she feels a sort of regret over what happened.
False accusers should face the same charges and penalties as an SA initiator.
Moral of the story : when you're being accused of something you know you didn't do, have some balls, stand your ground and make sure your friends are reliable and trustworthy
and never ever ever say sorry. the first to say sorry is the one who looses.
lawyer up
dream and that second person gladly threw him under the bus to avoid rage from twitter/tiktok "folks" for twitter/twitter "folks" care not about facts
yea hes got some shit friends tbh but we knew that already…
better yet lawsuit for defamation of character
George was cool, calm, and collected. His arguments and tones never changed.
Caiti went from crying to screaming, her story was never the same.
I genuinely hope that George can rebuild. He deserves none of what he received and if you think he does you are no better than Caiti
Let me say that I’m not defending Caiti or even talking about her at all- but you should realize that an actual sa victim is going to be upset, and being upset about something like that is completely reasonable, and getting visibly upset or crying wouldn’t be out of the ordinary…
Please read my comment again when I said I’m not talking about changing stories or Caiti at all you fucking goobers lmao
@@TR-oc7hh
Changing your story whenever new information that contradicts your original account isn’t very typical of a victim, neither is reading off of a motherfucking script to recount the event. Wouldn’t your memory be pretty clear?
@@Lolpy. LMFAO. right, these bitches are fucking wild with defaming male content creators like shit. I'll stick with my faithful lover that I have now and if and when I get big I won't jump around in drinking parties and whatnot.
@@Lolpy.That's true, that's not what they have an issue of. It's specifically that the screaming and crying should be normal for this kind of incident. Her changing her story is completely unacceptable.
@@Lolpy. did you miss the part in their reply that they weren't defending Caiti?
Solution to a problem: stop letting twitter be the lawyer in serious cases
it’s not that simple twitter isn’t really changing the law but it is ruining his reputation and because they are famous and the girl decided to do this publicly if George were to not respond publicly it would be like admitting to it which then again his whole career is being a famous person and you can’t have that if your reputation is ruined
@@JoeVahns that’s a better way to put it that’s exactly what I meant it ruins peoples careers that they relied on which mega sucks for the people that didn’t deserve anything
@@copeul7214UA-cam Peoples:
There’s the matter of public opinion man nun u can do.
@@perseusbolt3591 I’m just sick of it suck’s can’t do non about it
If that's considered sexual assault, then tickling is 3rd degree murder.
She's 18 and he was 26? The way she said her story made it sound like she was like, 15...
He should sue for defamation.
yeah, im pretty sure 18 is over the age of consent in the place they were, correct me if im wrong.
She also had a 21+ wristband on.
@@Rainy_8 yah most States have their consent is at the age of like 17 and some go lower also she should be mad at her friends for pressuring her to drink while underage instead of this very obvious false SA shit
@@Rainy_818 is consentual world wide, tf you mean “in the place they were” it’s even younger in other places
@@itzzmadness-_-6712 no in the States its 18 the individual State laws of consent are never followed but the federal age is which again is 18
This happened to me in highschool. A girl and her friends didn't like me... so she got close/flirted with me, I felt there was some physical consent, and barely anything happened. But the next day, she lied to the principal and the police saying that I r*ed her, and I got expelled and was facing sexual assault charges at 14. The ridiculous situation only ended because the *actual* incident was caught on the cameras in the school. Unfortunately, the damage was done, my friends abandoned me, and I had to move schools.
Often times, men don’t win in cases like this, especially when it comes to the aftermath of being accused, like losing friends, environments, scholarships or sponsorships, sometimes even jobs, no matter if it's the truth, or if it's just completely made-up. Real sexual assault victims get taken less seriously when things like this happen, simply because someone wants to make someone else's life harder. What a pathetic world we live in.
Edit: “Barely anything happened” was a way for me to keep my personal life a little more personal, not “downplay” what happened. If you’re really that concerned, read the subcomments and it should answer your questions, thank you.
ask for a dna test
@Vandelorian Enough happened for it to be considered rape? Hell, even when consent was given, girls have still falsely claimed SA.
@@Vandelorian stop baiting loser
@@VandelorianPreach.
@@Vandelorian are you like tryna rage bait
I wonder if Caiti's script occasionally said "pause to cry"
It probably did
Script?
Edit: This was sarcasm but I see how it was literally impossible to tell.
@@tlkfanrwbyfan8716Did you not realize she talked like she was reading a wattpad novel about SA on her phone for most of the alleged crimes.
@@tlkfanrwbyfan8716 she read off her phone like the entire time lmfao. lets not talk about how donations were enabled in the top left 💀💀
There was probably a pop up of different dialogues like in video games to progress through the bad ending.
Bro. I feel bad for George. After all those years of being friends with Dream and Sapnap, when he got into trouble, they wouldn't help him out. What terrible friends...
so basically they were both drunk and messed around and when she was finally sober she regretted it and turned it into an SA allegation. Crazy
Happens far too often unfortunately.
Happens to college athletes a lot and it’s ruined many potential NFL careers specifically too
Personally, what i got from the video is that she intentionally did this to gain cloud over his back...
They weren’t forcing that alcohol down her throat
The fact that she was under the legal age for drinking is even crazier, if she lied about her age she'd definitely lie about this whole thing
George's actions genuinely showed that he is a good guy. Not only he accepted his mistake but also apologised for what he allegedly did but still got the backlash because of what ? For being a good guy. Really people these days believe a skank who changes their perspective but not a guy who apologies.
George did what we man are being train to do in present day, apologize for everything and anything.
@@gus8460 bro that's what makes us man. We are not like female who do not acknowledge their mistakes and still yap after they were proven wrong. The guy accepted his mistake and apologised for that, whereas every time the girl's statements changed. I have high doubt whether what she is saying is at all true or not
@@sampadnag2928 female 💀
@@sampadnag2928and sadly men are the ones who set that system up and mostly men who continue to support the system. Maybe you guys will actually overcome it if you just acknowledged that it’s actually mostly your own team, aka males against other males. And not mostly females against males because you’re not realizing the root cause of these problems or the main supporters of it
The dude just tried his moves, she gave no bad feedback or rejection to his moves, then he thinks his moves are working and gets a little more bold, then he tries going to her room and gets denied and he just takes the rejection immediately and walks away XD. TRULY did nothing wrong, he's a good kid. he walked away at the first no but the thing is the first no was uttered too late in the night. This is her mistake for not rejecting his advances earlier, simple as that, even she says she didn't wanna make a stink about it so she played it cool, that's all we need to know about her mindset and her level of maturity.
Honestly George should sue Caitybugz for defamation
George is a pussy because he is "too nice."
@HelloOki Nice ragebait
@HelloOkistfu and make me a sandwich
@HelloOkiwomp womp
@@NorthIniumExactly lol
It's been a while since I've seen a situation where someones career is ruined when everyone is fully aware the defendant is right.
The worst part is, George didn't even do anything wrong. They were both drunk, and there were hints to continue whatever cuddling they were doing. Talk about playing the victim 💀
I found it funny how they are treating it like she was under 18 as well. Freshly 18 is still 18.
@@vacdek She wasnt even freshly 18*. She was almost 19 and later she said "i misspoke i meant that i was freshly off the highschool" so even more* bullshit xDD
@@piskor3978 I also love how everyone just ignored the fact that she already went partying and drank alcohol before she turned even close to 18. But suddenly, THEY *MADE* her drink, like the girl was suddenly the most puritan god-fearing person ever till that night and just drank out of fear.
She is already an adult, and she should be treated as such. Including prison time/monetary recompensation for the damage to HIS image.
@@vacdek The "Freshly 18 part" could have been important if there was a huge age gap, and especially if the adult knew them before. In that case, there could be grooming accusations.
But yeah, seeing how both are in what I call the "College area", it's not that important.
@@jonatanrobledo9812 she was wearing a 21+ wristband too she got from a friend so they didnt even know she was under the drinking age
"freshly 18" will never not make me laugh, im sorry but the fact she describes herself like that.. gold. Freshly 18 sounds like a porn site.
lmao
Freshly 18 when she's almost closer to 19 than to 18 💀
ahahaha true XD
she is angry because of what happened to her.
@@Gogetaa was she closer to 19 when it happened? Cuz that’s what she’s saying
her story was so ass, clearly fake and obviously unbelievable 💀
Real 💀 her reading off her phone while starting her allegations 😭 she’s prob reading some fake ass wattpad story
the whole he left with a puppy face IS SO weird PEOPLE DON'T DESCRIBE THEIR ASSAULTERS LIKE THAT
BRUHH FUCKKK CAITIIIII I MISS GEORGE
@@Seungberry_world_domination not many people have talked about it, but ive noticed whilst reading her 'story' she doesnt once look directly at the camera whilst saying it, always facing off to the side. typically not being able to make eye contact (in this case looking at the camera directly) is usually a sign of deception and lying
@@rav0nn that doesnt really make any sense someone who cant make eye contact can very easily look at a camera lens while recording
I feel like the number 1 reason innocent people are found guilty of SA is because everyone trusts the victim and doesn’t hear out the other person ngl
Wait so the summary is: He seen her with a legal drinking age wristband prior to the incident, and in the hotel they cuddled for 1 hour and she showed 0 signs of discomfort or any signs that would make him feel he doesn't have consent and after he put his hand around her waist she accuses him for sexual assault ?
welcome to the world. where women take advantage of men (child support, divorce men and take everything the men worked for, and accuse them of s assault for no reason)
You missed the part where she's now saying he felt up her tit. but yeah.
and she remembers everything that happened, while she was drunk. meaning at any point she could've said no to anything that happened. but she didnt....
@halowiz1000 my problem with some people in this is the fact that some people were saying "you can't give consent if you're drunk" you absolutely can, are you going to be in the complete right mind ? No. Ngl every time I've been drunk I've been able to control what I think, until I got blackout drunk. Then I couldn't control myself or my actions.
@@lvkillawolfvl1921 You can't give *_competent_* consent because being drunk does dull the critical-thinking side of things, but if you don't want to do something you ain't gonna.
Alcohol lifts your normal inhibitions, allowing you to do things that non-drunk you might be hesitant to do, but it doesn't completely wipe your sense of self.
However that is why you "can't" give consent.
You're not thinking clearly. Things that seem like a good idea while drunk may be something you'd refuse while sober.
Sober you is the one controls consent, because they're the one that has to live with it. If you're not bothered by your drunk decisions, cool. Not everyone is.
Its crazy how even Georges own friends are so easily media driven that, without the full details, even they turn against him.
Honestly, that's the bit I feel most sorry for George, his friends turned on him even when, at that point, it was pretty clear a lot was off from her side
not just his friends, Dream was the WITNESS of the situation!! He threw his friend who he knew was innocent right under the bus.
He self destructed so they had no choice due to their livelihood. by apologising and accepting responsibility, they had to do damage control to save their own careers.
@@01superchunk66i think George wanted to save his friends career by asking them to be neutral but lean with Caiti and he wanted to deal this by himself
@@annassromova4197 yep. what kind of a friend throws their own BEST FRIEND under the bus for clout? dream is a shitty guy. always was.
To the people who still support this "woman" shame on you
I agree.
@@hadrasfan9912If you get drunk by your own will it is not SA
@@Cussmem07 but it wasnt by her own will and if it was it was still illegal
@@cabletherel1 Unless someone holds your head and forces the bottle into your mouth, it is your own will
@@cabletherel1 1. She was over 18. Not illegal. She consented. She lied about her age. They were both drunk. She's a liar and a bitch.
Damn so george being understanding and saying "sorry" becuase he didnt know she felt differently about the cuddling and didn't want to hurt her feelings just ended up hurting him more, Essentially allowing people to think he did it with malicious intent even though he didn't. What a fucked up world.
He should sue her for defamation.
He can try, but sadly, he probably wouldn't win without the court. System favors women immensely, especially if he get to woman judge. Trust me, I know from experience.
The court system sucks if you're a man.
If you're a woman the sad truth is you could just accuse someone of rape and probably get away were there nowadays.
@Shadowy_2 Yes, that is true is most states of America, but George lives in Florida, a state where the government still does not value women's rights. Therefore, even if George did it, he'd still most likely win if he sued her for defamation. But since he has all the proof of him not SAing her, there's a 99% chance he'd win.
If you want to do more research, look into Mother states vs Father states.
@@Shadowy_2this is just not true
@@7Halos Sure whatever you say.
I've seen it with the Ione eyes. Almost experienced it. Believe what you like.But I can say with a certainty This does exist.
@@Shadowy_2maybe in your imagination it does. men get away with actual sa so fucking often because the court system hates women, especially non-white women
im so sick of this "cancel culture" that we're all living in
It's seriously been around for so long. People really just don't like hearing and siding the truth
Think it's just better to just avoid social media altogether to get away from all the BS.
real jobs are the way
then avoid social media, avoid youtube
Fr
He actually handled it really well. What is showed of his stream, he seemed have presented actual evidence in a very calm manner, being respectful and acknowledging his part while also providing his side if the story. I actually think him admitting to under the shirt touching makes him more credible. He didnt try and deny it, just to explain himself; his explanation seemed very valid.
The problem is that chronically online twitter and tiktok users that took him apologizing for making her feel like that as him admitting he did everything to her. Even George said it himself that his response wasnt him admitting anything, yet somehow a bunch of people saw it as that.
@@afellowfriend754 I wish people for once would stop jumping straight into conclusions like them. Why can’t we be unbiased and look into both perspectives, but I know the pretty girl is gonna grab all the supporters before George does
@@luisruiz5045 Thats just sadly how the internet is these days, im a victim of SA myself and im so tired of seeing girls like Caiti call the dumbest shit sexual assult, when it in fact was not. Even as of now she still has supporters that lack of logic and a decent mindset because Caitiroach herself has literally outed herself to be a lying manipulative scum ever since George's first response.
I am genuinely confused as to why people think that dream and sapnap were not supportive of george here just because they didnt show it online?
this is so sad. the way his friends completely abandoned him as well to save their own face even though george stayed with dream throughout his whole drama
The world is definitely unfair
they didn't
The definition of sadness
fake friends, I would never talk to them again. Turning on him just to save themselves, smh can u believe that?!
@@taniac.6774 omfg they didn't turn on him stop feeding into misinfo. dream literally received half if not most(which is strange)of the hate and harassment, he edited georges response&helped gathering evidence&personally dealt with bs some ppl tried to start after that. sapnap in his own response straight up said he loves his friend and mentions him on every other stream. none of them ever admitted it was SA
I hate how a respectful apology is seen as admission of guilt. I will never apologize again if I am not wrong.
Ikr. It's a terrible morale to take away from this, and yet... admitting anything at all has them pouncing on it like lions on prey. Humanity is going in an awful direction.
True, like the if criminal gets to play the victim, the actual victim should play it more.
RETWEET
Yeah.he apologised for unintentionally hurting her but she made it seem like he admitted to assault
I've recognized this and stopped apologizing even when I am in the wrong. People take an apology as justification and honestly just become more spiteful and resentful when they get one. generally it seems like the rage of never getting an apology is less than the self justified rage of having gotten one.
The fact that people haven't learned the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" is baffling. You think after the Salem Witch Trials, people nowadays would know, but apparently, this generation is too blindsided to pay attention in school.
Honestly, I do not care if one is an influencer or not, George has all the grounds to sue for defamation. Caiti also is underage drinking, so any allegations she makes would get thrown out because she's illegally drinking.
Her being drunk also removes any concrete evidence she has. Nobody can accurately recount details to the dot, ESPECIALLY if you're drunk.
Unfortunately people these days don’t even care about innocent until proven guilty because guilty until proven innocent is trending. Same thing happened with Kwite and Rex Orange County. These same accusers who believe one side first don’t even bother to check on the case or see its updates afterwards but just go off of other’s opinions and say “aren’t you a r//apist? Didn’t you sexually assault someone?” They throw around every word in the book at someone even if it isn’t true just so it can “justify” their hate and jump on the trend.
Even more ironic when they are on the internet. You know where a lot of information is stored
School doesn't help much with that
@@mzheng2217 Yeah and the classic double standard. "We were BOTH drinking and I gave literally zero indications that I was uncomfortable but George as a MAN is guilty of sexual assault for thinking me rejoining him for a cuddle on the couch meant I was into him."
It honestly scares me how easily twitter will jump onto someone's neck when a girl accuses them of SA without giving any proof, even if she was right in the end. Scary
If you’re falsely accused of something like this, don’t combat it online. Do like Angry Joe did and gear up for court. No back and forth.
That’s honestly the only sensible thing people can do. Just get a lawyer. A lot of these people usually back off real quick when real life consequences start stacking up and they have to deal with actual police and court.
That is if you're confident that you're in the right. I mean, if you ain't got nothing to hide, why fear?
@@gothicMCRgirl exactly
they're so stupid not getting law enforcement involved
Fr if a female EVER DARE to accuse me then best believe court fina come
@@corruptedpico637 and the wench is gonna front the bill too, brother
Imagine an adult guy deciding to go to a party, get drunk, flirt with a girl, and accuse the girl of sa with nothing but allegations.
With an adult girl while you both are drunk
Don't have to imagine anything. When guys come out saying it, no one believes them cause they are a guy, and are just told to man up. Or the women just gets a slap on her wrist with a "now sweetheart don't do this again" 😒 it's just so wrong no matter what.
@@cmantheninja yeah the fact she kept saying she was "freshly 18" as if shes underage when she isnt lol. And she had a 21+ wristband on she borrowed from a friend so no one knew she wasnt of age for alcohol.
@@senkahdevrux8901 To be fair, most guys don't come out because they are horny and enjoy it, but the double standards are still stupid
Why did she close all her accounts if she wasn’t in the wrong? Why would she change her story constantly? Why would she put the band that said above 21? Why would she lie about his online friend? Come on she’s obviously a liar and just wanted to destroy his fame.
Crazy how Caiti can lie about this, destroy his reputation and then just vanish with no consequences
Exactly.
Exactly.
just checked and shes alive and well on twitch with over 200k followers lol
@@parallaxninja456 I don't think she's been active on that for a while though
happens all the time. Happened with Dream and Kwite as well. It needs to be illegal.
It breaks my heart that George _really_ thought he had done something wrong. You can tell how genuine his apologies are. He truly thought he had made a mistake and hurt someone without intending to. He handled it so well and was so mature and thoughtful. Good people do not deserve what happened to him.
One aspect that's not focused on enough is SHE PRETENDED TO BE OVER 21. If you pretend to be of xyz age, be prepared for actions appropriate for xyz age.
If you get into a bar with a fake ID, you can't cry wolf when you're served alcohol.
Xyz?
@@theshadowking3198xyz means the age that you pretend you are.
@@theshadowking3198 what are you asking
@@theshadowking3198 you cannot be serious.
@@arjaysg what I have no clue what it is why y’all getting pressed
I feel so bad for George...he's one of the most wholesome minecraft youtubers and definitely didn't deserve having to apologize for an exaggerated misunderstanding
literally the same thing happened with projared.
this is just sad
It's a common story of "clout chasers tricking famous people" she went along with it that night pretending they have a thing/attraction between them only to later on pretend she's the victim while the real victim was the guy just following along believing they had a thing, that girl only planned to "use" him for clout and destroy his life, 18+ you are an adult, you are drunk then don't drink if you can't handle alcohol, when you are drinking you are bound to get drunk, that's how it works, there were 8 people there and none noticed that she was feeling bad about this? What made her not stand up/leave/change position/deny his advances, the manipulative narrative of blowing things out of proportion to make the story seem darker than it really is, using SA as a reason for something that dumb is a middle finger to the real victims.
@ville__ the people who do? if you don't care, then just ignore it
@ville__ on another comment, you seemed to care about the situation🤣
Yes
My friend self deleted himself after she accused him of SA. His life started to go downhill after that. His scholarship got taken away and his football coach never let him play any match after that. His family were poor and he doesn't want to burden them. So he dropout from the college. After 2 years he self deleted himself because his mom died and his dreams as a pro football player being taken away from him. Rest in Peace brother.
Was it the same person who accused George?
@@G4072m yeah probably. She looks the same.
That's just.. vile. There should be laws regarding false accusations.
@@grumpyseagull There is, however, Governments wont do anything UNTIL it's too late.
i dont even get what makes a person want to accuse someone innocent of that its insane
18:10 I am so tired of people acting like 18 year olds aren't adults. They are more than able to think for themselves. Also, there's no way she was too drunk not to give consent
A word of warning, in most jurisdictions of the US, you don't have to be too drunk to drive, to be too drunk to consent.
@@BlackBanditXX yeah I know. Your DUI laws are insanly relaxed. Here in Sweden I can have one beer and probably lose my licens if I tried to drive
Especially an 18 yo who has somehow acquired a 21 wristband from the convention. Clearly she is an adult if she’s willing to lie to drink alcohol 5 months after turning 18 💀
THEY ARE NOT CHILDREN!!!!! (agreeing with you lol)
I'm sorry, but who the hell very clearly reads off a script, on their phone, while "acting sad" over an alleged sexual assault?
Israel is a terrorist state. Just sayin.
THATS WHAT IM SAYINGGGG
Same thought watching the video, these allegations are the weirdest stuff ever
friendly reminder there's no such thing as "behaving like a person who expierienced SA"
everyone expierences their trauma diffrently
@@oxiosophy Man r u serious? I mean ik I shouldn't, but like, are you really bringing that up next to a comment about her reading a script?
Prime example of why you should _always_ plead your innocence until something proves you're guilty, especially when you know there's nothing that does so.
Never say apologize for something you didn’t do
@@TheCobra114-o5e Really, the full advice is
-Don't talk about it until you have to
-Don't admit or take guilt for something before there is proof of it
-Don't get hung up on it regardless
I mean the case is done and dusted he is guilty for the majority of the audience he should have simply not admit it like her story was clearly falling apart and his friends were like we have to look for our own public image@@APatriotRevival
@@shivanshbisht9439 Yes, that is precisely my point. I'm saying if someone else finds themselves in such a situation, don't admit fault. Best thing to do is get a lawyer if you think they might actually have something. Even if they don't, you could then sue them defamation.
@@APatriotRevival yeah I definitely agree with you but I just think that the dream smp was kinda cursed you know last year karl, then dream himself and now George
The fact she treats belly tickles as "sexual assault" is an insult to all real SA victims
@ArianneKiryloBOT
Yeah, she was spewing some bullshit
The fact that she had to read her statement instead of recounting it like a normal person is a red flag. The whole thing is BS "believe ALL women". This george fella is also an idiot for caving in and apologizing when he supposedly knew he didn't do anything wrong.
is it normal for someone to touch you like that?
yea doing that while someone is drunk is absolutely sexual assault
George is innocent. End of story.
Love the part where Dream and Sapnap threw George under the bus. Really good friends considering Caiti's story is so inconsistent from version to version.
And for Caiti, that's embarrassing, to slander a content creator and for what? Clout? Hate? This is why nobody can trust anything anymore, because of all the lies you can spread at the drop of a hat.
George didn't deserve this. Caiti is a psycho.
The fact that this sort of allegations discredits the actual victims even more made it more sad.
Can I ask what Dream and Sapnap did during that time? Thanks
Because she knows shell win because shes a woman
@@ishbersue1352they threw their homeboy under the bus to make themselves look good
Well, I can see why they would side with caiti despite the inconsistencies due to George's awful second response as he basically condemned himself. It seems like he was innocent for the most part, but he did a really bad job with that second response.
what annoys me in those stories the most is the fact that they make actual victims way less trustworthy and undermine the whole thing and I really wish those people got de-platformed instead
Honestly i dont be trusting anyone anymore when i hear theyre a victim . Gotten to the point where i just dont get involved (whivh ik is bad)
Same. Hate to say it but now when I hear people (esp women) say they're victims of so and so, unfortunately my first response is doubt, especially if its just hearsay and the dude has some form of influence or power.@@vividsftw67
@@vividsftw67yup, I'm in the same boat. Show the proof or don't even say anything, I can't trust a word being said.
@@vividsftw67 Same thinking its so bad that what if my friend gets accussed of it that im overthinking so much that my decision is just to not get involved in it
The irony is the only real platform she ever had is for coming out with these lies. Her livelihood is not tied to an internet presence anywhere near to how George's is. People like her can just pop up for a short moment, ruin a career because "TrUst VicTimS GuYS, HuMAns TotAllLY DOn'T LiE" and then poof she can just go on with her life like nothings happened while leaving someone destroyed.
As a victim, a waist touch is not assault. IMO she's being dramatic at the end there and she sounds desperate to get people to side with her after realizing her claims are falling through.
Fr it like her life was “ruined”?? Girl a man touched you, so many have gone through so much worse.
Honestly agreed
Not sure how it's sexual if you're not touching the genitals
I mean if it crossed her boundaries and she expressed that through verbal or physical communication it she can argue it as assault 🤷♀️
LITERALYL
she was crying sobbing unable to finish almost a single sentence before when just talking about how george allegedly touched her waist but was smiling while delivering the news that apparently he touched higher??
The biggest red flag for me is:
she didn't mentionned the other friend in the original statement
than after george mentionned him, she didn't mention him because he left early and isn't important (and doesn't know his name too)
and after, she finds a text with him knowing her age and noticing the incident...
so he went from: not mentioned ---> stranger that isn't important -----> witness knowing her name and phone number.
George is an idiot for apologizing for something he didn’t do. If you ever find yourself in crap online don’t respond.
I think this whole "Minecraft community" got to his head. All of his closest friends are in it. All of them were shaming him and attacking him, so ofc he's gonna start to believe HES in the wrong. Sad world full of demons who pretend to be angels ugh🤦♂️
@@cookiegames8464 Yeah, I agree with initial comment but when your audience is a bunch of kids who fall for things easily, and one of your biggest hate communities is primarily on twitter. Silence speaks louder than anything else, so the less he spoke the more speculation was brought forward, he thought he had to do something, but what he did, was push the gun barrel further into his mouth. But at least we found out which one was the liar.
@@cookiegames8464Dream and George were actively getting death threats
In the heat of the moment he took way more accountability than needed
It’s pretty hilarious. I’ve never heard of these people before. I just find it hilarious that they got publicly EMBARRASSED
Also I think part of the problem is he didn't clarify exactly what he was apologising for when he should have.
I think he meant his first apology was an "I am sorry I played a part in making you feel uncomfortable" a simple apology for an accidental harm, like one would apologise for bumping into someone in a crowd or for making a well meaning joke or jab that hurt your friends feelings. These moments of accidental harm are ones we are taught to apologise for, and I appreciate the awareness of seeing that just because I and others saw it as harmless didn't mean I didn't cause harm. However many people nowadays don't like to apologise for accidents so when you don't clarify (or even when you do) they assume its an admission.
The second apology I think was more along the lines of "I was not at all aware there was a possible power dynamic issue in potential relationships, sorry you and others might have been caught in this." I think he did clarify this one better but I think people are less aware of the danger of financial and reputational power imbalances in relationships and might not be as aware as he was about the severity of this issue.
Frankly he dealt with is so maturely but lately it feels many people don't realise that a truly empathic person will want to apologise for accidents, for hurt they see even if they do not understand (emotions aren't logical) and to make a promise to be better.
George was drunk, and she was drunk.
She was 18 and shouldn't have even been there at the party, she was committing a crime.
She gave no implication that she was uncomfortable. If you're uncomfortable, say it or just walk away.
Because George was drunk, he had no real thought process, that's what alcohol does.
He had reason to assume she was into the play he was giving, and the past two statements support this for George's innocence.
I can't believe people make these heinous allegations despite all the past experiences. Some influencers have committed suicide over this, but people on the internet just love to add more fuel to the fire. These people on social media need to get a life instead of worrying about others.
For George, this is an open-shut case of defamation. I do not care if Caiti doesn't have the funds, George should sue for defamation. She needs to learn to face the consequences of her actions.
@@mzheng2217I agree 100%. He needs to sue
@@mzheng2217 You need to consider that she was probably pressured by her "friends" to do this, because they just needed a fall man to carry out their idea. I understand that some people may be pissed at her, but you really need to see this from both perspectives.
Just as a note you can see she wrote this down and shes reading it from her phone she couldnt even be bothered to memorise it
@@tony_T_ if that happens to be the case then it would be her friends' fault
My boi George got falsly accused betrayed by his friends and permanently had his reputation stunted or damaged because of a idiotic 18 year old wanting to be a victim
wild these days💀
Defamation lawsuit.
That’s that victim mindset now a days. Honestly caitis claims are more regret that is happened then actual SA without consent
it's a social issue, and instead of addressing it socially like a normal person she'd rather find some excuse to her social ineptness and blow it up behind the misconception hate mob of twitter. this situation is literally the pronoun conundrum blown up to SA.
I got an ad midway through your paid promotion lmfao, “we interrupt this ad to bring you this ad”
Man, You Dont Need Enemies with Friends Like That.
I assume they were on George's side privately. They gotta walk on eggshells in that incident, especially Dream.
@@Naito115 Oh Dream just didn't care. He just wanted to be praised himself and rile up the people
@@Naito115they are fake friends and they are just scared that they would get hate too.
@@Bibhan-u8k they said support the victim. They didnt say they think shes the victim. Plus everyone can see that her statement was flawed, dream and sapnap trying to take georges side would make this thing a whole bigger of a deal than it has to be because of their reputation and history with drama. Remember that one time dream and sapnap let a childhood friend live at their place and he turned out to be an abuser? Yeah people will just throw that shade in if they try to intervene.
@@x_rouxi_ian_x4804 you must be drunk.
At this point I can’t help but feel bad for Tommy.
Techno passing, Wilbur being outed as a abuser, George and Dream getting into drama.
It’s a lot man. Especially for someone so young.
@@Smelly_manz honestly it's just as bad
@ivan0912 not really an abuser can at least try to change you can't change a pedo
So
@@littlealice4094 all evidence suggesting dream is a pedo has all been proved to be false
@@Smelly_manz allegedly it's just he said or she said I'm not defending Wilbur or Shelby Wilbur said it was consensual that doesn't mean it's abuse lol
The whole situation sucks and shows what is wrong with today's society. People automatically jump with no backing and trust what everyone says on the internet far too easily. The backlash that Dream received and still does when he has literally proven his innocence is still doubted to this day - and now it's George's turn.
The only thing George was guilty of was for saying "sorry"; not only did a lot of his audience betrayed him but so did his friends - who also went through this sort of experience *cough* Dream *cough*.
I don't even know these guys so I'm completely unbiased, but hope they can recover and get an audience that they deserve. It was very clear that she misrepresented things to make something so miniscule turn into something so career-devastating. The worst case of all of this, is that nobody never seems to actually learn. They crave for the next creator to be outed.
Lots of toxic people on social media that will do anything for attention or controversy. They crave the attention because they don't have anything meaningful enough in their actual lives.
I cant agree with you more.
yeah this George guy has some rlly shitty friends
@UppyWupps While I don't fully trust what people have talked about Dream, I won't put it past either if he did 'something', (That doesn't mean things like SA or worse).
The reason why is because of the big lie he was caught in (The Speedrun one), where he allegedly hired an actual mathematician from an university, or something in these lines, only to turn out to be boogus, and then suddenly 'realizing' he had a mod on causing him to have better drops (Hence why people use the "Dream luck" meme).
Once you lie this big just for internet points, when you say the actual truth, people are less likely to believe you. Same goes for the story The boy who cried Wolf. He did it as a funny but once an actual wolf was there, nobody believed him.
“Imagen grooming and getting cooked by gumball waterson 🍷🗿”🤓🤓🤓☝️☝️☝️
I was there on twitter as a massive fan of George when this all happened and i remember just being shocked and not knowing who to believe. When it all first started i was trying to refuse believing Caiti but then started to, after George had spoken about it i got really confused and just ended up leaving the fandom. I was the same when the Dream allegations happened and it effected my mental health so much. All i'll say is i really despise people who purposely create false allegations directed at a celebrity/cc as it comes off as them just mocking real victims and trying to destroy someone's career and life
how is someone else's drama affecting your mental health
Same here, after techno everything dream team related just seems to end up with drama, overdramatized situations from the fans and now all these allegations. I know its not most of their faults and the internet just seems to be against them but it just feels like a hardship watching their videos now and i miss how loving and sweet the community and how fun watching sillly minecraft videos were.
He didn't do anything wrong. Her accusations are a slap in the face for real victims. Being naive, having no social skills/experience, spending time with way older people, breaking the law, and not being able to read the room is not his fault.
Women ☕☕☕
L Caiti pls disappear
@@killallkarens6847nah don’t pull that bs now💀
@@allyxizI mean, no guy complains about this type of stuff.
Yk, this is Twitter, so I don't expect the argument to be reasonable. Listening from the story, she should have known better what drinking and hanging out with people she didn't know would turn out. Of course, who would say George isn't wrong in touching her, but it seemed like she's the one making the fuzz out of it like 9 months later. If it really was a big deal, why didn't she ask her friends for help right then? (But this is Twitter, so people have no brain cells anyway.) However, admitting to feeling guilty about it makes people think he really did it, especially when the hate was pretty much all on you. Also, this might not be the main point, but bias towards women in this kind of stuff is usual, so yeah, humans.
So, yeah, not getting help when you were SAed, and saying touching is SA is a freaking insult. Meanwhile, George feeling guilty, and saying it makes people think he's guilty af Also, changing her stories makes it really believable. So basically, another shitty attempt at bringing other down while insulting actual victims at the same time.
The fact that woman can make false sexual assault accusations without facing any consequences is really scary.
the fact that men can SA women without facing a single repercussion and do every day is also terrifying.
My comment is for victims of SA that are now terrified that because of this woman's actions, they won't be believed. The fact that no one in my replies can understand or even fathom how damaging that can be, is exactly why I needed to make this comment. Victims, please stay strong, do not stop coming forward, and don't be silenced. I will no longer be responding to the people in my replies because none of them are acknowledging or even reading what I'm writing. If you have any sort of logical decision making abilities then my comment makes perfect sense. I hope people treat others more kindly than they treat me. I am an actual human being. And I'm sorry to anyone that has been harmed by SA and ignored or told they are liars, from the bottom of my heart.
@@Nonyah123 Goes both ways, but I agree. That's just how it is, wish it could be better.
@@Nonyah123that doesn't make what the commenter said any less true and if you want to side with actual victims defending this woman is a disgrace to them (actual victims)
@@Nonyah123 doesnt change the fact, this girl (and many many many others) LIE in order to defamy/gain money/gain cloud using SA as an excuse.
and guess what... Not a single one has been judged Case point: Amber Heard, lovely in the sun in Spain. She also fasely accused JD, without repercussions.
Same with this girl. And thats a "f you" in the face of real SA and the people (yes men can get SA aswell. Living proof here) that got sexually abused.
Ontop of that instead of picking up the pitchfork and standing against woman that MISUSE AND ABUSE SA, you beg the differ and go back into tunnelvision mode. Shame
@@Nonyah123 at this point, since doing SA and being accused of it is the same thing, what difference does it even make if men do?
At this point all Minecraft UA-camrs need a ticking clock that tells them when they’re going to ruin their career
This implies that Schlatt's clock is already ticking
@@elijahaaron6949 he's uncancellable
Roblox UA-camrs too probably
@@elijahaaron6949we don't talk about 99
@ArianneKirylo thanks lol