Mongolian Music: Tatar Theme (Hellish Quart OST)
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- Опубліковано 3 тра 2023
- Song created by Bart Pałyga. Produced by Adam Skorupa from Music Imaginary for the video game Hellish Quart: store.steampowered.com/app/10...
Extended version of the "Tatar theme" song.
Song involves modern beats with mongolian (tuvan) throat singing.
Image: "Tatars in the vanguard of the Turkish army" by Józef Ryszkiewicz
#hellishquart #tatar #folk
Still waiting for a mongol/steppe character to absolutely wreck everyone in Hellish Quart 😭
genuine tartar fighting styles has been lost to history, modern recreations and experiments are slow coming, so out of respect the dev team might make us wait longer than usual 😞
❤❤❤. Круто!! Рай для ушей!!! Обажаю Горловке пение!!
This. Is. Amazing.
The 13th-century Arab historian Ibn al-Athir always uses the word "Tatar" when talking about Jengiz Khan. “The expedition of the Tatars against the Khwarezm Shah”, “The memory of what the Tatars did to the Russians.” (Of course, he wrote about the nomadic Tatars.) "Jelaleddin could not cross the Sind river; Jengiz Khan overtook him with the Tatars." He wrote.
Ibn Kesir (d. 774/1372) describes Jengiz Khan as "the greatest Sultan of the Tatars, the ancestor of today's Tatar khans." Ibn Khaldun also says: "This Sultan Jengiz Khan is the Sultan of the Tatars."
According to Chinese writer (chronicler) Ben and Bei Lu, he was a contemporary of Jengiz Khan, went to the location of Jengiz Khan's army and met Jengiz Khan's vizier, his assistant Mo-Khou (Mukali). (From the Jalair tribe) He asked: "What nation are you from?" Said. Then Mo-Khou Mukhali answers "we are Tatars". When asked many times, again and again, Mo-Khou Mukhali answers: "we are Tatars."
These manuscripts have been preserved to this day. As a result, tricksters who want to steal Tatar history cannot sit on these manuscript historical works and lose them. There was no nation or state called "Mongol" in history until 1921. For example, I am a Crimean Tatar. We are definitely not “Mongols”! We are definitely not "Turks"!
We are Tatars!
The name "Mongol" was coined by Soviet authorities in the 20th century. "The name Turk was given to various peoples living in Anatolia in the 20th century. Today's Mongolian chauvinists and Turkish chauvinists are trying hard to steal our precious Tatar history. But the facts are obvious. We are TATAR. Period!
Bro. Thanks for the information. We already knew that the Mongols had appropriated our history. And I will also say that the Europeans began to call us Tatars. You, me, and all our brothers who have Turkic blood in them are descendants of the Scythians, Huns, and Mughals (Mughal is the name of the state). We are all Turks.
@@keteket
The names "Turk" and "Mongol" were introduced by Vilhelm Radlov, a Soviet ethnographer of Jewish origin, in the first quarter of the 20th century in order to eliminate the name "Tatar".
Vasily Vasilyevich Radlov or Wilhelm Radlov is a Soviet ethnographer of German Jewish origin. The inscriptions on the Orkhon monuments were discovered in 1893 by the Danish linguist Wilhelm Thomsen with the help of the Soviet ethnographer Radlov. In the Orkhon inscriptions the word “Tatar” is mentioned as the name of the people. Similarly, the name "Tatar" is mentioned as the name of the people in the inscriptions of Kultegin and Bilge Kagan. The ulus, which is referred to as thirty Tatars in these writings, is referred to as nine Tatars in Uyghur inscriptions. In the inscriptions on the monuments of Orhun, the word “Törek” is used as a final word before a noun. For example: “Törek Tangri, Törek bodan, Törek Bilge Kagan.” The root of the word “Törek” in the Tatar language is “Töre”. Nobles who are descendants of the Tatar dynasty are called “Töreler”. We have Tatar proverbs on this topic.
“Let the Khan’s son say this, even if his mouth is crooked.”
(Auzy kisyk bolsa da khan balasy aitsyn).
The word "Bodan" means "slave". In the first quarter of the 20th century, Wilhelm Radlov proposed calling the Tatar languages “Turkish”.
As a result, the idea to call all peoples of Tatar origin “Turks” belonged to the Soviet ethnographer Vilhelm Radlov.
The past tense suffixes learned and heard in the languages of the Crimean Tatars and Anatolians are as follows:
mish, mysh mush, muysh.
(Gen, Gan, Ken, Kan.)
Ali eve gelmish.
(Ali yuige kelgen.)
Ali ev almysh.
(Ali yu algan.)
Ali eve gitmish.
(Ali yige ketken.)
Ali eve donmuysh.
(Ali yige kaytkan.)
The learned and heard past tense suffixes in the language you call "Turkish" do not exist in any other language. It exists only in the Tatar languages.
When you remove the Arabic, Persian and Latin words from the language you call "Turkish", all that remains is the Anatolian accent of the Tatar language.
Ottoman decrees mention many nomadic Tatar tribes that settled in Anatolia, in addition to the Crimean Tatars. These nomadic Tatars are not Crimean Tatars. These nomadic Tatars are not Kazan Tatars. How do you think these Tatars define themselves today? These Tatars are Anatolian Tatars, brother. The truth is sacred, even if you don't like it.
@@user-dh2kf8lw4sSo what's the problem? Whether the whole world calls us Tatars or Turks. This will not stop us from being them. I realized that the Turks of Moghulistan called themselves Tatars. But everyone already knows us as Turks.
Ordyniec znów od dzikich pól ciągnie!
Оу май, поставлю эту красоту на будильник.
Генетический будильник 😅?
Love from Egypt
Mamluk
@@chernetsovdidnothingwrong565 mum look! im on tv
Tatar final boss theme
*tatar
@@greattatarkhanball1073 tartare
@@jahinsadman1505 I am a Tatar by nationality, I know better
Tatar girl here
@@greattatarkhanball1073 I ate tartare yesterday I know better
I get a hard desire to raid a carawan without taking prisoners so the crows wont become hungry .
😁😁😁🤘🤘🤘 , sert çocuk.
cows don't eat meat
@@FeZe1997 tatar cows do
@@ANZACJugger0 🤣
Actually cows do eat meat that's how mad cow disease started after farmers feed cow meat and bones to them.
i love bart polyga
*Долина волков в 13 века*
Tatarlar Türk Boyudur ve dünyanın her yerinde Türkçe konuşur.
Bizim şuan konuştuğumuz Türkçe değil kardeşim bende tatar türküyüm büyük annem biraz bilirdi orta Asya Türkçesi oda rahmetli oldu
@@hun765 Kardeş tabiki dilde başkalaşım var. Bu son derece doğal. Dil yapısı, ses uyumu ve kök kelimeler aynı. Bu farklı bir dil demek değildir, lehçe demektir.
@@melikcemaldoganaslında tatarca özbekçe, başkurtça ve kırgızcaya göre türkçeye daha yakım ve anlaşılırdır
@@tervelboulgarosKIRIM TATARLARININ TÜRKÇESİ OĞUZ TÜRKÇESİNE YAKIN AMA KAZAN TATARLARININKİ KIPÇAK TÜRKÇESİNE YAKIN!! OSMANLI HANEDANI VELİHAT ÇIKARAMAZSA OSMANLI TAHTINA OTURMA HAKKI BİR TEK KIRIM GİRAY HANEDANLIĞINDA VARDI!!
bu müzikte ki sozlerde nerede ise tatarca kelime yok , dil moholca yazmıs adam zaten. ayrıca 2 farklı tatar dili mevcuttur günümüzde biri rus etkisi almıs , digeri ise kafkas etkisi. Bende tatarım ve bu muzıgı neredeyse hiç anlamıyorum
Halalija💪
🤩😃👍👍
👌
lol
Hello sir
GOD THE OG LOL
🔥🤙🏽✌🏽
húngaros explicando porque son europeos
mongolian ❤
Теперь понятно почему они умудрились построить такую колоссальную империю!
Они откровенные Пуритане (в англосаксонском смысле), минимализм, не какого излишества, призерают гнилых тварей... вся жизнь борьба с самим сабой ⚔️
Интересно что для них было Свято, в чом вырожалась Высшая сила?
Они безразлично относились к религии покарённых народов.
I recommend speed up
Yes Yes Yes Yes❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊
Throat singing was on Scandinavia where no Mongolians were and come there through the influence of Huns, i.e. the same Turks.
Throat singing is not the feature of the East people like Mongolians. It is originated in the steppes and Mongolians like Scandinavians get/adopted that from Turkic people.
There is no evidence that Germanic Scandinavians had throat singing before 20th century neofolk music
Finom
Lyrics ?
омг итс литералли ми 😳😳😳
Bardziej to pieśń wojenna niż ludowa
Tak
Oni už jsou takoví...
The strange thing is that there is no Mongol warrior.
Persian + Mongol music
🕸️
Так, сразу говорю, татар и монголов в одну кучу не мешать!
Они ведь врагами даже были во времена Тэмуджина
Bullshit,I'm tatar,Mongols we are brothers,shut up!
@@tulpar6718Mongols and Turks are two different nations.culture is similar but language and appearance are different
Таки да! Изучаем Историю и вешаем пропагандонов!
Это вранье, Чингисхан сам Татар.
@@hydrargyrum1019 ты чë, совсем? Он из монгольского рода Борджигин, это во-первых.
А во-вторых, тебе не кажется странным то, что он устроил истребление собственного народа (имеется в виду борьба с татарами, которые, к стати, отравили его отца).
Единственное, что у него от татар, так это то, что его прозвали в честь пленного татарского полководца.
2:28 З😮
Что напутал автор .в песне есть слова а это музыка😂
Me when I'm Mongolian 😂😂
me when turkic 💀
@@duncan7593в чëм прикол
@@Iskatel.Priklyucheniymongolians are not Turks, they are close in culture, but their language is different from Turks.Mongols and Turks are two different nations! Shaman Turks fought alongside Genghis Khan they fought against the muslim Turks!!
Mongols are much less in number than Turks.
m.ua-cam.com/video/zHXAYq5VBj8/v-deo.html&pp=ygUQdHVya2ljIGtoYWdhbmF0ZQ%3D%3D
me when im tatar-mishar/turkic
@@hydrargyrum1019 с русским именем?
Ни одного татарского слова, на другом языке песня
Mamluk Sultanate laugh heard this song
Lol both Tatars and the Mamlukes were mainly Kipchak
And who was the founder of the Mamluk Sultanate? Turkic Slave-Warriors. You know Sultan Baibars? He was a Turk Warrior.
As a Tatar I can say, that it's definitely not our language and has nothing to do with our traditional culture. Tatars never used throat singing, since our culture based on Islam
I think he means the Tatars, a medieval Mongolian tribe
@@tervelboulgaros tatars arent mongols they are turkic
@@Valkyraw it isn't those in now, ones old
@@tervelboulgaros the old ones too..
no actually many tatar clans were Turkified mongol clans@@Valkyraw
TURKIC 🐺🐺🐺🐺
Not even close
TURKİC WORLD 🐺🇹🇷🐺🇰🇿🐺🇦🇿🐺🇰🇬🐺🇺🇿🐺🇹🇲
😂
🐺🗿
Genghis Khan's grandson Kuyik Khan wrote a decree in 1246. Pope IV. Sent to Innocent. This is how the original letter of the decree begins.
منکو تنکری کو چنداکورالغ اولوس ننگ تالوی نونک خان یرلغمز
«Мәңгі Тангри күшіңде қоралғ, Ұлұснің тілімен қаққан жарлығымыз».
"Mäñgi Tangrï küşiñde qoralğ, Ulusniñ tilimen qaqqan jarlığımız".
Who understood this language? What language do you think it is? It is clear that this language is not Mongolian. I speak Crimean Tatar and understand this language well. In the continuation of the decree, Kuyik Khan repeated the existence and unity of God. There is no Mongolian word in this decree. There is no Turkish word in this decree. The original of this decree is preserved in the Vatican Museum. It has been opened for visitors in recent years. You can go and try.
This is a Turkic Language. Alltough i thing Mängi could be Mongol (Turk would say Ulu). I think its old Turkic which was spoken in Central Asia back then.
@@oguztribesmen294
I am Crimean Tatar. The (ITI) symbol on our blue flag has a history of five thousand years. Tangri Almighty knows our unknown history. For thousands of years, the Tatar people were protected by the infinite power of Tangri Almighty. It has been reborn from the ashes many times. He stands up again. I completely believe this.
It is not my place to speak on behalf of the great Tatar people. But I can speak for myself. I am Crimean Tatar. My father, grandfather and 7 grandfathers are Tatar. None of them called themselves "Turk". No one called themselves "Mongol". I am not "Turkish" or of any other nationality. I heard the word "Turk" for the first time from a school teacher. But a person learns who he is from his father. I don't trust fake historians and obelisks whose origins are unclear. I don't need this either.
The idea to call all peoples of Tatar origin "Turkic peoples" came from Vilhelm Radloff, a Soviet ethnographer of Jewish origin.
The names "Turk" and "Mongol" were introduced by the Jewish-born Soviet ethnographer Vilhelm Radloff in the first quarter of the 20th century in order to eliminate the name "Tatar".
We are Tatars!
The names Nogai, Kazakh, Tatar have existed for a long time. These names are the names of our ancestors. No one denies their origin. We are Muslim and brotherly people. What's the problem? Isn't it fun to ignore each other?
I wonder what they teach students at Russian universities? I met a Russian etymologist the other day. He didn't even know that different alphabets were written in the same language. However, when I was four years old, I could write my name in both Arabic and Latin alphabets. The family of a Crimean Tatar child teaches him the Arabic alphabet before he starts primary school. Do you know why? So that he can learn religion from the Quran. In order to learn its history from the original edicts written by Tatar khans. Because he couldn't change them. I am so ignorant!
"He who traces his lineage to anyone other than his father is not one of us."
Prophet Muhammad. (Farewell sermon)
@@user-dh2kf8lw4s Ok.. look take a deep breath and sit down. EVERY Turkic Speaking Group is Turk. Iam sorry that over there in Russia they opressed non Russians.
I mean in Türkiye the people are confused and are full of false informations, but you are a whole other level.
If you are an Tatar, you are Turk. thats all.
@@oguztribesmen294
Everyone is free to express their opinion. But insulting is weakness. Can you show a Crimean Khan who introduced himself as "Turkish", "Mongolian", "Kipchak"? Can you see an honest person when you look in the mirror? You will not be able to show me a single "Turkish Khan", "Mongol Khan" or "Kipchak Khan". You cannot show me a single decree of the "Kipchak Khan", the "Mongol Khan" or the "Turkish Khan". Which “Kipchak Khan”, “Mongol Khan” or “Turkish Khan” minted coins in which year? When and where were these coins minted? Are there examples of these coins in any museum today? Or are your dreams the only evidence? However, I explained the objective facts one by one. Coins are one of the important materials proving the independence of medieval states. The names "Turk" and "Mongol" were introduced by the Jewish-born Soviet ethnographer Vilhelm Radlov in the first quarter of the twentieth century in order to eliminate the name "Tatar". You may not like the facts. But the truth is sacred.
@@oguztribesmen294
The silver coins used by the Great Horde (Golden Horde) khans and the Timurids were called (tenge/tenke).
The Berke-khan coin (tenge) has the figure of a lion.
Akkoyunlu coin (tenge) was also used. 25 "tenge" was equal to one "eşrafiye" or two Ottoman "akçe". These coins, which were minted as coins in India during the time of Mahmud of Ghazni, were called "tenge". Sultan Iltutmish of Delhi issued a silver coin (tenke/tula) weighing 175 (habbe) (11.3 grams) and a gold "tenge" of the same weight was minted by Nasiruddin Mahmud. During the time of the Timurid ruler Akbar Shah, copper coins began to be called "tenge" (640 habbe = 41.5 grams).
Images of humans and various animals, especially lions and the sun, were also used on these coins, called tenge.
Some have the following text:
( منکو تنکری کو چندا )
(«Мeңкү Тeңкри күшіңде»)
(«Meñkü Teñкrï küşiñde»)
In what language do you think this article was written?
This language is the main language of today's state of Kazakhstan.
Some tenges also contain verses from the Quran. The most common of these verses are: Ali Imran, 26; At-Tawbah, 33 and Surah Rum, 3-4. You can find the names of twelve imams and four caliphs on these coins called "Tenge".
(“Tenge”) is today the national currency of Kazakhstan.
It is possible to see these tenges in the "Medieval Coin Collections" section of Istanbul Hagia Sophia Museum.
42 coins of the collection belong to Crimean Tatar khans and were minted from silver in Bakhchisaray. These coins depict the tamga seal (ITI) used by Tatar tribes. Tamgas are seals used by nomadic Tatar people to identify the tribe they belong to. These tamgas were also used on tombstones, carpets, edicts, flags and coins, as well as on horses.
Coins are one of the most important materials proving the independence of medieval states.
Which “Turkish Khan” or which “Mongol Khan” minted money in his own name and in which year?
Which “Russian Knez” or which “Russian Tsar” minted money in his own name and in which year?
Ah yes "Mongolia"
This is not mongolian This is Turkic
@@grkngrkn3177Moğollar da Türk
Genghis Khan's grandson Kuyik Khan wrote a decree in 1246. Pope IV. Sent to Innocent. This is how the original letter of the decree begins.
منکو تنکری کو چنداکورالغ اولوس ننگ تالوی نونک خان یرلغمز
«Мәңгі Тангри күшіңде қоралғ, Ұлұснің тілімен қаққан жарлығымыз».
"Mäñgi Tangrï küşiñde qoralğ, Ulusniñ tilimen qaqqan jarlığımız".
Who understood this language? What language do you think it is? It is clear that this language is not Mongolian. I speak Crimean Tatar and understand this language well. In the continuation of the decree, Kuyik Khan repeated the existence and unity of God. There is no Mongolian word in this decree. There is no Turkish word in this decree. The original of this decree is preserved in the Vatican Museum. It has been opened for visitors in recent years. You can go and try.
@@turk2390Marslılarda Türk.
This is Tatar music. Not Mongolia. Tatar is Turkic and muslim people. Not mongolian.
Tatar? This is not Tatarian Language
Genghis Khan's grandson Kuyik Khan wrote a decree in 1246. Pope IV. Sent to Innocent. This is how the original letter of the decree begins.
منکو تنکری کو چنداکورالغ اولوس ننگ تالوی نونک خان یرلغمز
«Мәңгі Тангри күшіңде қоралғ, Ұлұснің тілімен қаққан жарлығымыз».
"Mäñgi Tangrï küşiñde qoralğ, Ulusniñ tilimen qaqqan jarlığımız".
Who understood this language? What language do you think it is? It is clear that this language is not Mongolian. I speak Crimean Tatar and understand this language well. In the continuation of the decree, Kuyik Khan repeated the existence and unity of God. There is no Mongolian word in this decree. There is no Turkish word in this decree. The original of this decree is preserved in the Vatican Museum. It has been opened for visitors in recent years. You can go and try.
Ребята успокойтесь. Действие в игре происходит в 17 веке. Татары это никакие не монголы. И это не Казанские татары. Тогда татарами называли всех тюркских кочевников.
сам успокойся, татары потомки средневековых татар и нет такой нации как казанские татары, есть Татары.
@@hydrargyrum1019 Нынешние Татары - это казанские татары. Потомки Казанского ханства. А Татары это общее название тюркских кочевников данная европейцами. Это даже не самоназвание народа. И не забывай. Речь идет про 17 век в Восточной Европе в польское игре. Где Казань и где Польша? Тогда уже казанцы больше века были в составе Московии. Убрав у себя приписку Казанское. Это не делает казанских татар не Казанскими. Для людей знающих историю Великой степи хотя бы на любительском уровне. Это объективно и спора здесь быть не может.
@@universecore1 ты пьяный что ли? Татары - это племя состоявшее из родов, а мы татары его потомки и этому самоназванию больше 1000 лет, так называемые казанские татары лишь малая часть татарской нации и состоят из тех же этнических компонентов, что и все остальные татары, я из татар мишарей, мы и есть татары, чего ты тут лепишь, крепостной потомственный.
@@hydrargyrum1019 крепостного в зеркале увидишь. Не хотел отвечать на Пустую грубость. Но отвечу. Если ты из древних татар то назови свое племя и какие рода у вас есть? И вообще ты в курсе как появился твой народ и откуда он? Мишари? Ок. Если не хочешь называться казанцем. Буду называть мишарем. Большой сути не меняет.
@@universecore1
Мен Қырым татарымын. Менің руым - Азық жұрттың Барын руы. Ұлы Орданың (Алтын Орда) мұрагерлері; Башқұрттар, қазақтар, көшпелі өзбектер, қарақалпақтар, сібір татарлары, қырым татарлары, добруджа татарлары.
Maybe still Mongol?
bro this Mongolian
It's not only mongolian. It's also turkics, of course Tatarian too tho.
Steppes people*
@@Uran_KH-98mongols not Turkic
@@Iskatel.Priklyucheniy 🤦♂️
@@Uran_KH-98 Mongols literally aren’t Turkic, cultural elements are shared obviously but even the genetics differ, and the languages belong to different families entirely
Это не татарская песня
тебе откуда знать.
@@hydrargyrum1019 так там не слышно татарских слов
@@Iskatel.Priklyucheniy 1000 лет назад татары могли иметь смешанный язык, дело не в словах а в музыке, это музыка степняков.
@@hydrargyrum1019 какие 1000 лет, татары это монгольское племя, я как татарин говорю
@@Iskatel.Priklyucheniyсовременные татары это не монгольское племя, они кыпчаки. А вот которые дрались против Чингисхана это монгольское племя татар
우! 타타르 소스! 우! 타타르 소스! 훔바훔바! 알라알라!
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I'm 100% Türk cCc 🐺👌but my grandparents from both sides of the family are Armenian (don't tell anyone about this please)
Niye buraya yazıyorsunki soranmı oldu
@@hun765 It's rude to reply in another language.
@@hun765 Same reason you replied.
It doesn't matter, where your Ancestors from. Atatürk once said:
"Ne mutlu, Türküm diyene".
Everybody, who feel Pride to be a Part of the Turkic Community, is welcome and will be treated as a Brother or Sister.
Ne mutlu, Turanım diyene. May Tanrı protect us from the upcoming last War, when the Sons of Light fight against the Sons of Darkness.
@@yarakucu I'm so turkish ALL my grandparents were armenian THANK YOU for your kind words brother may tengger khagan (allah) protect us all I am NOT a bastard or the product of brainwashing as others say, I am 100% TÜRK cCc yeldegimiz huglubluglu
Це гімн Челябінська
Tatars never did throat singing
Откуда такие "глубокие" познания? Вы татарин? Вы знаете татарскую историю и культуру?
@@alexagori по крови казанский татарин, стараюсь изучать эту культуру насколько могу
@@ivanneiasyt Удачи! Изучать свою культуру это похвально для сына Народа. Внешнее влияние на культуру любого народа ни кто не отрицает. Особенно в тотолитарной россии. Татары в Казани и татары в москве - разные татары.
@@alexagori благодарю
@@alexagori я просто действительно никогда не встречал в татарской народной музыке горлового пения. Если можете привести примеры, буду очень благодарен, мне это интересно
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это музыка из тотал вар
татары и монголы относятсч к одной группе, к тюркам, это военная песня татар и монголов, татры и монголы родственные нации, они даже вместе обтеденились в одну монгол- татарскую орду
Монголы не относятся к тюркам
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Thanks you Tatar. Thanks you Mongolia.✌️💪my family
С ума сошел что-ли?)) Монголы это не тюрки, монголы это монголы, к которым относятся Буряты, Калмыки, и др. они говорят на монгольских языках, который тюркам вообще не понятен, все относятся к монголоидной расе. Свою родословную они ведут от гуннов. А тюрки это очень обширный языковой и расовый этнос, здесь от чистого европеида до монголоида можно встретить, и монголоидная черта у них приобрелась когда они с гуннами предками монголов тусили в большом туре до Рима, а так тюрки произошли от иранцев - скифов, саков, роксоланов , массагетов и др. пока с гуннами тусили потеряли свой язык путем ассимиляции, что их перестали иранцы понимать, и стали базарить на тюркском языке который относится к алтайской языковой семье , как и монгольский, корейский, японский. Чем ближе к азии чем более монголоидная внешность как например у уйгуров, кыргызов, алтайцев, якутов и др. Казахи и узбеки уже более европеоидные, дальше туркмены, турки и азербайджанцы, карачаевцы и др. которые больше похоже на греков, кавказцев, арабов. Татары же башкиры и чуваши вообще почти все европеоидные, да на столько что от русских или финнов иногда отличить сложно, и потомки у всех тюрок разные.У восточных тюрок Ногайцы (которые сейчас проживают на кавказе) и каракалпаки , у западных огузы - сельджуки, у татар, башкир, чувашей - это половцы, печенеги, булгары, хазары. Так что друг мой, не знаешь историю не смеши жопу, она и так смешная. Австро-венгрия когда то существовало, но это не говорит что венгры и австрийцы близкие народы. Австрийцы это германцы, а венгры - потомки аланов, ясов, аваров, угров. Так что татаро-монголы это тоже собирательное название причем очень странное , потому что европейцы Тартарией (земля варваров) называли всю территорию современной России, и русских, ну точнее русов - тартарами (варварами), а как мы знаем историю любят переписывать иногда, и все забыли тот факт, что русские не были жертвами монголов, а были их вассальным государством, платили дань за подданство и защиту, да да, всё как в 90х.
@@user-uj3cb9vi5e братан, даже само слово " монгол" являетсяснащваниеммне этноса, а обьеденения союза вочточных, тюркских племен, в том числе имплемен татар! а буряты калмыки и тд вообще финоугорци, и никакого отношенияск тюркам не имеют
Tatarians are Turks