I predicted that before Gruden just from watching that kid play....as a dallas fan I hoped they were going to draft him but they passed on him and now...the rest is history and the kid is running a top 3 offense for my cowboys
Well let’s not be to quick to judge.....Thee John Gruden said, and I quote” if football doesn’t work out for you, you’re going to make a hell of a football coach.” He doesn’t have the tools to be NFL quarterback but he does have the brains.
Wow! I had no idea Moore was this good! Why hadn’t I heard about this guy! Then I’m all bashing him! Wow! His anticipation is sick! I’m just wondering how he just couldn’t cut it at QB for Dallas?!?! Strange! Let’s see how his mind really is at OC!
@@texasmade9727 he will bring an offensive style that defenses will hate. I see him leading the NFL in playcalling and the 'boys developing into an explosive offense.
People don't understand u don't have to be a good qb to be a good qb coach. 99% of coaches were not good players or didn't play in the NFL and are amazing coaches but honestly want a different oc still lol. I want someone from the outside.
It's 2021, almost 2022. Some stuff has happened ya know. Just felt the need to watch some old school Kellen Moore, and I'm glad I did. I really miss watching 11 play. It was the best 5 years of football I've ever watched. 😁
Hell, the Boise State high scoring offense from 8 years ago is more complicated than the one Dallas just used in 2018 season. Kellen Moore will be a GREAT play caller in the future at any level, college or pro. Just watch and see.
@@robertallen9570 no he is not ..Boise State was the most complicated offense in college history and the "most TD of all All time" how do you fuck with All time man ..thats insane just saying it
And to think just last Sunday with his offensive coordinating debut , he definitely spread that wealth and Dak is going to shine this year. Kellen Moore will be a head coach someday.
@@soloplaysgames9965 AV that Dak to Cooper touchdown was straight out of the Boise State playbook, that play action, look right, hold the safety then through left he describes in this video is exactly what Dak did.
Wizardry over athleticism? That’s why he still ranks in the Top 10 all time for: - completions - comp% - passing yards - efficiency - rating - passing TDs - Total TDs
If you watch the Andrew luck episode he keeps telling Andrew to write stuff down. Gruden is legit taking notes from Kellen. And that is why Kellen is O.C. of Americas team
GIVE ME CASH, no I don’t, I hated the ideal of Kellen one the sideline with that just happy to be here look, I did hear about him being to O.C and I thought it sucked, so I UA-camd him and stubbles across him at Gruden Q.B camp and came away impressed, the has a good knowledge of football, talked about formations to make mismatches, and he is a coaches son, check him out on UA-cam
Sometimes a Qb fails because of lack of physical attributes and not due to the mental aspect. I think Kellen Moore is one of these Qbs. Either way, he can't be worse than Linehan. Also, Kellen Moore is the one who scouted Dak for the Cowboys and wanted and pushed for the Cowboys to draft Dak.
Kellen's name is getting thrown around as a candidate for the next OC of the Dallas Cowboys. Came here after hearing that. Wonder if this would work. He seems to come from the right background to reinvigorate the offense.
I have never seen this before. I have always loved Kellen Moore. So much so that even though he is now the OC at an NFC rival, I still have a world of respect for him and hope he has continued success in a very long career.
The best coaches are normally backups on some level. Kellen Moore couldn't beat anyone with his raw talent but with his wits, and scheme. He can't be worse than Linehan so I'd say go for it. At least he won't be as predictable as Linehan. & Honestly, people need to quit with this Moore would be a joke concept. The guy is super football smart, only 30 years old, Got coached by the Genius Chris Peterson. So he has seen & been around some good coaching and great plays. This guy could surprise a ton of people. He can relate to the younger guys. He could be the next Sean McVay.
Never in the history of sports has a team been fucked over by their league the way BSU was. All of that success, all of those wins against power 5s and owning Oregon and they never got a shot at a title. Unbelievable
Regardless of whether he succeeds as a QB, he is a fine human being, so, in my book, he is already a winner. He will likely live a long fulfilling life, unlike some of the more talented men who enter this profession. And that is real success.
Been following and enjoying Kellen's career since his high school days at Prosser. Those teams were dominant and Kellen was prolific. Kirby set national receiving records, they were awesome. I'm a couple years younger but I love to watch his career and it seems inevitable that he will be an NFL head coach shortly. Awesome stuff, can't imagine how proud his dad and brother are.
possibility of Cowboys promoting him to OC brought me here. Listen to this. Sounds like all the things everybody says about the hot new breed of coaches. Motion. Confusing what you are actually doing. I like it.
50-3 with two games that should have been won? they were a dynasty. I don't care how easy the competition is, it's tough to win 50 in 4 years. plus they always played a good team the 1st and last game.
Man I wonder what would've been had he they gone to the championship game and won, would he have been Drafted higher, or given more opportunities and second looks by coaches. It doesn't matter what people say about arm strength, or speed, like you mentioned he is a WINNER, and that's all that matters finding ways to win when everyone doubts you, hope Dallas gives him the reins once Romo retires, which won't take to long maybe a year or two
I saw his stats for his junior year recently. Over 70% completion 38 tds, and less than 5 int (i don't remember exactly the amount). He was elite in college. If he gets a real chance to be a starter, he will run with it.
It's tragic all that's stopping Kellen Moore from getting on the field and tearing the NFL a new one is 2-3 inches of height and a little more zip on the ball (which he has improved on some since entering the league). Hope he gets an opportunity at some point. He's beyond brilliant from a football I.Q. stand point. I honestly believe he has a Peyton Manning type command of the game.
Brian Yourdan sadly, russel wilson, other qb's we make shows about saying how small they are and how great they were, but then again they have made it harder to slip by to prove themselves wrong
+LetsGetWilly I respectfully disagree. Arm strength is the main reason he's not getting on the field, followed by prototypical size. Arm strength limits the playbook a pretty fair amount and lowers his ceiling in the eyes if many. He has the game down on the mental side as well as anyone I truly believe this, his high football i.q. is the only reason he''s stuck in the nfl this long. If he had the arm strength and size he would have went #1 or #2 overall in the draft imo. In which case he would have been offered other scholarships and never played at Boise State to begin with.
His Expression is like "yeah I thought about doing this and this, and we scored, and that's my product." Lol you can see that Moore enjoys using his creativity.
This video is so good not only for the football content but for the blast from the past rewind bar 😂😂😂 used to have the same one with comcast back in the day
I think once Moore get's a shot he could be big time in the NFL, because of the fact he has such great timing and accuracy and the Boise state offense is very similar to a pro style
He has one of those smiles like an evil genius. Lots of guys wash out of the NFL, but some of them come back into coaching, giving there knowledge and experience to more talented players.
Can clearly see why Dallas is so potent offensively now. Moore is a master, hes a lot like Gruden in his knowledge, and his experience at Boise for complex offensive sets is doing him wonders for the Cowboys.
11:03 - The Patriots talked about Alabama using this play and it was brilliant however, Boise State has been running the ineligible lineman lined up as a WR for over 10 years. Alabama was obviously inspired by Boise State since they have a ton of these types of formations.
As a Cowboys fan in 2020 with rumors circulating about him leaving, I’m glad he’s going back there to brush up. Hopefully he returns to Dallas polished, maybe even as a head coach
He was gunna get a huge shot and broke his leg in Practice. The pieces fell where they fell and he was destined to be a coach. The kid was healthy and hardy ever got hurt so its a win win really.
How??? Says he wouldn't want to coach against kellen, credits him with being the winningest QB, says all he does is complete passes AND wishes he had 3 days to pick his mind. Gruden gave him all the credit he deserved in my eyes.
Smart kid...with the versatile talent that Dallas has, he has the weapons to do something unique and creative that will be special. Even Gruden at the end said he would be a good coach.
Anything is better than Linehan...
ScooterMagruder Yooo Scooter your my favorite UA-cam’s
@@wannaspritecranberry309 Ayyyyyyyy let's goooooo
ScooterMagruder funny seeing you here
We're all here for the same reason......to see his vision lol
LMAO
It’s crazy that he predicted Moore to be a coach and 6 years later he’s the qb coach then the OC for the cowboys Gruden knows his shit lol
Nathan Watkins true Statement
Isn't Kitna the QB coach?
Yes now but Moore was last year that’s what I was meaning he went from player to qb coach to oc
I predicted that before Gruden just from watching that kid play....as a dallas fan I hoped they were going to draft him but they passed on him and now...the rest is history and the kid is running a top 3 offense for my cowboys
It's not a prediction if Kellen Moore himself said he wants to be a coach lol. He said it in the begining of the video.
Well let’s not be to quick to judge.....Thee John Gruden said, and I quote” if football doesn’t work out for you, you’re going to make a hell of a football coach.” He doesn’t have the tools to be NFL quarterback but he does have the brains.
Johnnylikesthecakes Man I love the Dallas Cowboys “Do or fuckin die” I’m just trying to find a silver lining.
Johnnylikesthecakes That’s why I don’t ever judge.....at first I was pissed, but then I did some research
Italian/Cowboy now he can become a Offensive coordinator
Wow! I had no idea Moore was this good! Why hadn’t I heard about this guy! Then I’m all bashing him! Wow! His anticipation is sick! I’m just wondering how he just couldn’t cut it at QB for Dallas?!?! Strange! Let’s see how his mind really is at OC!
@@texasmade9727 he will bring an offensive style that defenses will hate. I see him leading the NFL in playcalling and the 'boys developing into an explosive offense.
Who is here after finding out he might be OC for our cowboys? 😁 I was worrried now maybe not so much
JXFIT I’m watching the video right now LOL
🙋🏻♂️
Me
JXFIT Me
People don't understand u don't have to be a good qb to be a good qb coach. 99% of coaches were not good players or didn't play in the NFL and are amazing coaches but honestly want a different oc still lol. I want someone from the outside.
It's 2021, almost 2022. Some stuff has happened ya know. Just felt the need to watch some old school Kellen Moore, and I'm glad I did. I really miss watching 11 play. It was the best 5 years of football I've ever watched. 😁
2024 doing the same.
Hell, the Boise State high scoring offense from 8 years ago is more complicated than the one Dallas just used in 2018 season. Kellen Moore will be a GREAT play caller in the future at any level, college or pro. Just watch and see.
thegorn68 are you drunk?
@@robertallen9570 no he is not ..Boise State was the most complicated offense in college history and the "most TD of all All time" how do you fuck with All time man ..thats insane just saying it
His knowledge and daks qb skills should work out well
Proven right last night in game 1
Every Cowboys fan liked that!
All cowboys fans doing they resarch on Mr Moore now lmao
Absolutely
FLY EAGLES FLY!
Not anymore. Boom!!!
He STARTED for the Cowboys a few years back lol
I lov this kid. Welcome to Dallas. Cowboys Nation.
And to think just last Sunday with his offensive coordinating debut , he definitely spread that wealth and Dak is going to shine this year. Kellen Moore will be a head coach someday.
OH absolutely coach Keller Moore will be a head coach sooner then later
Hahaha wheres that shine at?
@@thefuzzypickle8277 freezing cold take. Even in 2019. How’s that Dak taste?
The fact that this is posted by official university and they clearly recorded it off of tivo is so based
They fast forwarded through the commercials for us too
I’m here after the Cowboys whoopin of the Giants!!
Lol seen this before but I wanted to rewatch to see how much of what he says was in the game.
@@soloplaysgames9965 it was all on display in that game man, Jerry is gonna end up paying this man like an AC,His Offensive mind is amazing
@@MusicByKhalilTV I definitely agree!
@@soloplaysgames9965 AV that Dak to Cooper touchdown was straight out of the Boise State playbook, that play action, look right, hold the safety then through left he describes in this video is exactly what Dak did.
Me too
The winningest QB in NCAA history and he did it with his football wizardry over athleticism and such. Amazing. Go Cowboys!
Don't refer to athleticism as if it's some sort of crutch. I agree with the wizardry though. That's beautiful to watch.
Oh, and Go Cowboys
Wizardry over athleticism? That’s why he still ranks in the Top 10 all time for:
- completions
- comp%
- passing yards
- efficiency
- rating
- passing TDs
- Total TDs
You do all that work just for two missed field goals to taint your record smh
He called a hell of a game against the giants. Awesome debut.
To think this man balled out in playcalling yesterday
Justin Williams Relax he played the shit Giants D. I could call great plays when receivers r wide open by 20 yards.
@@kevinburke6055 i agree bro ravens fan over here
@@justinwilliams5982 lol yall must be blind. Moores play calling had the giants beat.
@@ossito817 look im a Ravens fan just trying to give credit where credit is due that is all
Justin Williams he balled out as a qb for the cowboys as well until he got hurt
I’m from the future. It’s February 2020 and This Guy Kellen Moore just led us to win the SuperBowl.
Anthony Treminio I’m coming back to this comment when it happens
lol lol I hope so #cowboysnation
I'm here when it happens
@Anthony Treminio HAHAHA FLY EAGLES FLY
Aged like milk
9 Years Later best offense coordinator in the league
You jinxed it man has been bouncing around different teams now
If you watch the Andrew luck episode he keeps telling Andrew to write stuff down.
Gruden is legit taking notes from Kellen. And that is why Kellen is O.C. of Americas team
Did not know how football smart this guy is, he may make a helluva O.C or H.C one day
Bro u came here cuz u know that's gonna happen lol dont act surprised as if you haven't been reading the cowboys website 😂😂😂😂
GIVE ME CASH, no I don’t, I hated the ideal of Kellen one the sideline with that just happy to be here look, I did hear about him being to O.C and I thought it sucked, so I UA-camd him and stubbles across him at Gruden Q.B camp and came away impressed, the has a good knowledge of football, talked about formations to make mismatches, and he is a coaches son, check him out on UA-cam
99% football IQ 1% arm as they say lol
Sometimes a Qb fails because of lack of physical attributes and not due to the mental aspect. I think Kellen Moore is one of these Qbs. Either way, he can't be worse than Linehan. Also, Kellen Moore is the one who scouted Dak for the Cowboys and wanted and pushed for the Cowboys to draft Dak.
He is
Kellen's name is getting thrown around as a candidate for the next OC of the Dallas Cowboys. Came here after hearing that. Wonder if this would work. He seems to come from the right background to reinvigorate the offense.
Im 7 months from the future.. Hes looking good. Great in fact.
@@anthonyallencabrera how about now? Haha
@@thefuzzypickle8277 still looks good. The cowboys have a bigger issue than OC
From the future here, he’s a GOD.
He will be Head Coach someday
Imagine if the Cowboys and Raiders met each other in the Super Bowl in a few years. They'll be replaying this clip back for sure. Gruden versus Moore.
That would be dope as hell but raiders ain't going to the superbowl in Moore's lifetime
jfull 😂
Cowboys are playing the Raiders today for Thanksgiving. Moore is the OC and not QB. But Gruden got axed 😅.
Bro Gruden must be a genius! He called it with this guy, Tebow, Cam, even Carr 😱
Happy that Kellen is my Cowboys offensive Coordinator
Great OC! got that Cowboys offense looking amazing
LOL
Kellen Moore will be a hell of a head coach one day.
He just Became the new Orleans saints head coach today
I have never seen this before. I have always loved Kellen Moore. So much so that even though he is now the OC at an NFC rival, I still have a world of respect for him and hope he has continued success in a very long career.
Welcome to 2021, Best offensive coordinator in the league
Lets see what he can create with Herbert! Excited
The best coaches are normally backups on some level. Kellen Moore couldn't beat anyone with his raw talent but with his wits, and scheme. He can't be worse than Linehan so I'd say go for it. At least he won't be as predictable as Linehan. & Honestly, people need to quit with this Moore would be a joke concept. The guy is super football smart, only 30 years old, Got coached by the Genius Chris Peterson. So he has seen & been around some good coaching and great plays. This guy could surprise a ton of people. He can relate to the younger guys. He could be the next Sean McVay.
Doesn't even matter if John Madden was oc. They are letting Garrett call the plays which I don't like at all.
@@samrothstein6278 I don't mind it. Garrett didn't do horrible with PC would like to c Wat the youngster has
@@thamerkules8081 I'm with you. Anybody got to be better then Garrett and Scott.
how do you know he’s not worse?
@@andrewmendoza1578 we shall found out either way
Gruden said it .. Moore is a heck of a great coach
Moore spread the ball so they couldnt be schemed against and he definitely brought that to the boys.
Welcome to the Eagles as OC Kellen Moore! 🦅
🦅🦅🦅Awe Awww
He's a STUD! You won't regret it.
Kellen is going to be great ... just what we need, a young guy to relate to our young team with great imagination!
hjfj90 exactly
I always forget Kellen was an awesome QB at Boise. Lot of people aren't a fan of him, but I'm glad we've got him at OC in dallas!
Never in the history of sports has a team been fucked over by their league the way BSU was. All of that success, all of those wins against power 5s and owning Oregon and they never got a shot at a title. Unbelievable
He was my favorite player to watch in college football when he was at Boise State and now he is coaching my favorite player in the NFL.
Regardless of whether he succeeds as a QB, he is a fine human being, so, in my book, he is already a winner. He will likely live a long fulfilling life, unlike some of the more talented men who enter this profession. And that is real success.
Lars Justinen
Wise words
Based
Been following and enjoying Kellen's career since his high school days at Prosser. Those teams were dominant and Kellen was prolific. Kirby set national receiving records, they were awesome. I'm a couple years younger but I love to watch his career and it seems inevitable that he will be an NFL head coach shortly. Awesome stuff, can't imagine how proud his dad and brother are.
He might just be what we need at OC
possibility of Cowboys promoting him to OC brought me here. Listen to this. Sounds like all the things everybody says about the hot new breed of coaches. Motion. Confusing what you are actually doing. I like it.
bassfiend72 don't forget Landry did that first
That was AWESOME!
im here after the Miami game...so glad you are a Cowboy Kellen!!!
If kellen Moore can bring this kind of offense to the Cowboys we going to win a lot of games.
Today, Kellen is the best OC in the game
I just want to watch him play again.
50-3 with two games that should have been won? they were a dynasty. I don't care how easy the competition is, it's tough to win 50 in 4 years. plus they always played a good team the 1st and last game.
Man I wonder what would've been had he they gone to the championship game and won, would he have been Drafted higher, or given more opportunities and second looks by coaches. It doesn't matter what people say about arm strength, or speed, like you mentioned he is a WINNER, and that's all that matters finding ways to win when everyone doubts you, hope Dallas gives him the reins once Romo retires, which won't take to long maybe a year or two
I saw his stats for his junior year recently. Over 70% completion 38 tds, and less than 5 int (i don't remember exactly the amount). He was elite in college. If he gets a real chance to be a starter, he will run with it.
Best story in sports no one talks about
All 3 losses should have been won. Lost by 1 twice to TCU and by 3 to Nevada.
El Cuñado nah coaching is what he has
Godamm, Gruden be stealing all them shift moves.
tou moua after I read that I see him asking him that and he just taking notes I’m like wtf!!!
@@williamalmendarez9157 watch the raiders games, you'll see some shift in the playcalling.
Lmao he’s a really good play caller, scrapes the redskins yesterday
Kellen Moore was such a joy to watch at Boise State
This is awesome to look back on!
It's tragic all that's stopping Kellen Moore from getting on the field and tearing the NFL a new one is 2-3 inches of height and a little more zip on the ball (which he has improved on some since entering the league). Hope he gets an opportunity at some point. He's beyond brilliant from a football I.Q. stand point. I honestly believe he has a Peyton Manning type command of the game.
Brian Yourdan sadly, russel wilson, other qb's we make shows about saying how small they are and how great they were, but then again they have made it harder to slip by to prove themselves wrong
+LetsGetWilly I respectfully disagree. Arm strength is the main reason he's not getting on the field, followed by prototypical size. Arm strength limits the playbook a pretty fair amount and lowers his ceiling in the eyes if many. He has the game down on the mental side as well as anyone I truly believe this, his high football i.q. is the only reason he''s stuck in the nfl this long. If he had the arm strength and size he would have went #1 or #2 overall in the draft imo. In which case he would have been offered other scholarships and never played at Boise State to begin with.
Brian Yourdan
He is a great backup to dak Prescott. I never watched him but I heard at bsu he was a legend.
I don’t think people understand how important this was 🙏🏾
I’m glad we have him...he’s a natural football mind. Genius. #Cowboys
EazyKeey Music Yulp
His Expression is like "yeah I thought about doing this and this, and we scored, and that's my product." Lol you can see that Moore enjoys using his creativity.
Romo's clavicle brought me here
+Santiago DeLeon it brought me here too
+ace player SAME
+Jacob Polanco lol same as well Jacob.
lol
How times have changed.
This video is so good not only for the football content but for the blast from the past rewind bar 😂😂😂 used to have the same one with comcast back in the day
Hope this works. Gruden mentioned it like in first 5 minutes like you wanna be a coach lol
If his the new young up and coming coach? Cowboys should fire Scott linehan and let moore call the plays.
Well Scott is fired i hope Moore gets his shot as Oc of the Dallas Cowboys.
I hope he coaches smarter than he looks.😏
Wow you were totally right!
Jason Cochran far same thing i was thinking
Great call dude
I’m glad we have him...he’s a natural football mind. Genius.
Moore is now the OC of the eagles
I'm here because My Cowboys need an OC and he's here in Dallas already
I think once Moore get's a shot he could be big time in the NFL, because of the fact he has such great timing and accuracy and the Boise state offense is very similar to a pro style
I’m excited to see what work he and Dak together can bring
Kellen is just such an awesome
OC now
Two very cool people!! Thanks
Looking back , this dude's skillset was so under appreciated.
This guy is the next great coach in the NFL
Maybe Josh McDaniels
That game against Nevada hurt so bad.
yes it did
I like the infinity fast-forward touch on your vid! Classic!
Gonna be a great coach one day
James Matthews 🤞🤞🤞
He has one of those smiles like an evil genius. Lots of guys wash out of the NFL, but some of them come back into coaching, giving there knowledge and experience to more talented players.
I wish this guy would have gotten more of a chance to play.
I love this show wish it never stopped
Here in 2025
this morning be all like.... thanks Kellen
Going to be a great QB coach. Moore knows how to win. Smart QB. He can always suit up as the 3rd string qb as insurance too, gotta love that.
back when espn was a sports network now they are a diversity project with half their shows looking like The View clones
Nevermind me. Hearing that this guy is an OC for my team brought me here!
Like Sean McVay. This guy has all the football knowledge in his brain, but just can't put it on the field. He will be a good coach.
Nick Puente 🤞🤞🤞
good call
Nick Puente if we could clone kellens mind and mechanics in Daks body we would be great
joe delgado I think that happened . With Moore and kitna
I watch Boise because of this guy amazing QB
Can clearly see why Dallas is so potent offensively now. Moore is a master, hes a lot like Gruden in his knowledge, and his experience at Boise for complex offensive sets is doing him wonders for the Cowboys.
Wish he would’ve got a real shot to be qb but he’s an incredible coach
I followed this guy since Boise st now he is about to be hired at the head coach to the New Orleans Saints
11:03 - The Patriots talked about Alabama using this play and it was brilliant however, Boise State has been running the ineligible lineman lined up as a WR for over 10 years. Alabama was obviously inspired by Boise State since they have a ton of these types of formations.
One of my favorite college players all time
That last comment from Gruden! Wow. Only 1 game in and he’s proven what a difference maker he is as an OC.
As a Cowboys fan in 2020 with rumors circulating about him leaving, I’m glad he’s going back there to brush up. Hopefully he returns to Dallas polished, maybe even as a head coach
This guy took the eagles to the Super Bowl with his play calling
If he had the right team and right line when he got to the NFL he could have been something special to watch on Sunday’s
Now these guys coach against eachother. Kellen is killin it
I always thought he never got a good chance in the nfl because I loved him at boise state
He was gunna get a huge shot and broke his leg in Practice. The pieces fell where they fell and he was destined to be a coach. The kid was healthy and hardy ever got hurt so its a win win really.
Watching this in October 2021, waiting for the CFCA - Canceled Football Coaches Association.
How??? Says he wouldn't want to coach against kellen, credits him with being the winningest QB, says all he does is complete passes AND wishes he had 3 days to pick his mind. Gruden gave him all the credit he deserved in my eyes.
come on boys let's see what Moore can do !!!
he did good in pre season, give him a chance maybe he'd blow up like foles.
DelusionalProductions this was when nick foles was good lol
DariustheGoat 1 that's super bowl mvp Nick Foles lmao
Hopefully he can do in coaching what Foles did last year in the playoffs. It would be great for the NFC East!!!
The whole LEAGUE is about to find out about Kellen Moore
Smart kid...with the versatile talent that Dallas has, he has the weapons to do something unique and creative that will be special. Even Gruden at the end said he would be a good coach.
More confident with moore after watching this. I would love to see changes to our offense
Cowboys Next OC In Moore?
2:02 this dude is now a OC for my birds and is playing in the SB rn
"Heck of a football coach" indeed you were right Gruden
I can't believe 2012 was 7 year's ago